The problem with Euthasnasia is that it would be abused.
I agree with the idea, but what if someone has a cancer that they can get better from, but it's a 50/50? What if someone goes into a coma, but then is capable of waking up years later?
What about bribery, schemes, and corruption in the medical field?
All must be considered when making a blanket law that states that it's okay. Someone, somewhere WILL abuse it.
I just saw this video now and at 6:03 it states that "There is no law or medical ethics that requires everything to be done to keep someone alive"
Please research the 'Hippocratic Oath' and tell me that there is 'no such ethic', because I'm sure a promise made should be a promise kept always and forever.
Anyone who is against authanasia just hasn`t experienced it first hand. As soon as their family members or loved ones are in a situation where they is no chance of survival and they are in unbearable pain begging to be put out of their misery their opinions will change instantly
its should be legal to do . my grand dad was a really healthy man and hardly never ill . one day he became really sick , couldnt walk , talk nor move his only communication with us was with blinking eyes , he was in atrrocious agony he wasnt allowed to drink if not he would choke , he suffered lying in bed like this for 4and half month we prayed god even we are not religious to put him to sleep but took 4and half month before he was at last in peace so yes IT SHOULD BE LEGAL
I may agree that a person has the right to decide. It's like committing suicide in a way but less painful,right? But that's just a start. First - they're gonna give you an illusion that you have a choice, after that they're gonna suggest that all old, sick, disabled and not entirely healthy people should be killed(eugenics) and then they gonna to do it. So think about it twice, cause by the time you are old you may not have a choice any more. They may make it for you. Whatever your wish will be.
Murder is murder no matter what way you try and paint it. War is murder, abortion is murder, euthanasia is murder. Where do we draw the line on what can be killed legaly?
my friends sister just killed herself at age 27 because she had terminal ovarian cancer. if all the christians in canada would stop deciding how others should live, she could have done it with her family at home instead of doing it alone overseas. shame on you merciless religious zealots.
@canadianreserve I am a Christian and I don't believe it is wrong to do what your friends sister did. I do feel it was wrong that no one was there for her. I would not want to die alone and I am sorry that she had to do that. I tell you now, those "Christians" that you are referring to, are NOT true Christians. A true Christian does not judge. And I want you to know that. I would not have judged her. I would have been there for her and I LOVE Christ. Please don't let those people turn you away.
This video brought me to tear;s. Happy and sad tear;s. But i want;d to thank you so much for making this video, it;s a lot easier than reading page;s and page;s. But i think it should be legal. Because they are in pain, that they could be brought out on. But only if they choose. And for the religion the Lord could have made it so someone could think of this. Or the Devil no one know;s, really. And i am kinda strange and that maybe death doesn;t hurt, maybe it;s the best feeling in the world.
@kirstymon No, doubt. However, this project is as good or better than I have seen at the Bachelors degree level! Plus, this is a very controversial subject, which people are always searching for answers about the subject; and, as a result, people find this video just because of the subject. The great thing about this video: the way it is put together is awesome. I am sure that a lot of people -- including grad students and professors -- could learn a lot from it.
There have been people come out of a coma that were said to be in a vegetable state' and learned to talk. Its a slow process for the brain to learn all that after an accident and after it has healed there is a chance of learning to speak. He is unaware hes in a bed probably. But i agree with you on the decision because it is a slim chance they will pull through just some do
@lolasorocks10 it depends on how sever it is. say it was a case of someone being a complete vegatable, but still having 20+ years left to live. cost= hundreds of thousands of dollars
a person who can no longer eat or move, with less than a month to live, cost= a few grand.
but a Euthanasia Injection DOES cost more than the second, simply because you are trying to end the bodies funtionality completely, without harming most if not all of the vital organs for re-use ( i.e. organ donors)
Apparently, euthanasia is Greek for 'good death'. For those that cite Bible passages, I just want to ask you this one thing: would you let a loved one have a terrible life or a good death?
Who determines if someone is in enough pain to die?? A doctor and nurse who did not know my husband and were not familiar with a very treatable side effect of his chemo decided it was it time and doped him with morphine & reduced fluid intake til he died of kidney failure due to dehydration. They would not listen or believe it when he told them to stop. "He doesn't really know what he's saying" I was told... They refused to listen to me or relatives "They knew better"....
@asst9999 But how can you know that there is a greater force here in life. Yes christianity was good back in the days when science couldn't explain everything. But then IF god created the world in seven days what was before that... where do god come from... religion can't explain that and yes i know you would say "how could the universe be created out of nothing" but science is still very young. We are in a golden age where we will find about new things all the time.
@dancesun3 and what is wrong with being in a nation under God? You call taking away the life of someone reasonable and u still have the guts to call me ignorant? ur insane!!!!
@DD2k4 i didnt once say that euthanasia is reasonable. I am clearly saying that this is NOT an acceptable topic. I apologize for using the term ignorant idiot however
I've been in this situation before, so I can give an informed, experienced opinion...when you see someone you love on a ventilator who's turning yellow as their liver and kidneys have failed, but they're still breathing because of a machine...it's just wrong...we keep them alive for ourselves, not for them...at this point they're not supposed to be with us anymore and we have to be strong and do the right thing
Having lived in unbearable pain for more than 10 years. I think I can speak to euthanasia, in a meaningful way. Before pain, I believed it was just like a woman rights to choose. Now I believe more than ever, MY right to choose. The only impossible task is to stop the hurt for my family. Personally I could not stand by and watch a loved one suffer as I have. I have attempted suicide more times than I care to recall. But family always intervenes.
It is banned and it should remain such.God(or the Universe or what ever) said that you should die like this.No point at arguing.Also 75% of the US may support it but many patients chose against it.
I would love to hear you say the exact same thing when your lying in a hospice crying out in agony and begging to die. Do you honestly believe God would want his children to suffer? God is love, he has nothing to do with suffering
Euthanasia should not be illegal just because you believe that your god would frown upon it. There is supposed to be separation of church and state, which means that religion should not interfere with the government. If you believe that it is wrong, then that's fine. It's your personal choice not to be euthanised or have your loved ones euthanised, but for people who don't believe in the same thing you do, they also have the right to their personal choice.
What bothers me as that people who say it's not Government role to give Health Care even to people who need it are the same folks who want to tell the family what they can do with there loved ones.
how long is it going to take people to know that they are being lied to? too much science that is proven is starting to make the bible a joke. really look at it. do you believe it on your own? or you believe it because u were taught to and forced to by your family?..... lets wait and see shall we?
We were created, not by ourselves, to LIVE on this world. what gives us the liberty to end it? Yes, life is too hard for us to handle on our own, but we are not alone. 3 16
euthanasia is illegal..."pulling the plug" is legal...there is no difference...with euthanasia, the patient benefits..."pulling the plug", someone else is saved through organ donation
Happy will be the day when religion is finally recognized as the nonsensical & destructive musings of a pre-scientific era. Religion is obsolete...let it slip into history already so that we may get on with the business of being. Silly humans.
I don't believe Euthanasia to be suicide. Suicide is when you wish to take your life. Euthanasia is when you HAVE to die but choose when and how it is done. That is no crime in my eyes but clarity.
I did a speech, as well as a philosophy paper on this topic, and from what i gathered based on the reactions of my classmates when I gave the speech, if they were in such situations as these, they would want to end their suffering. I'm tired of people letting loved ones suffer for selfish reasons, or doctors saying no due to religion or whatnot. The fact is, it is the choice of the one suffering whether they want to suffer or die...... Personally I would not want to suffer.....
Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
@vkonej I do believe you're talking out of your ass. You are just strutting a ridiculous scenario as if the people in charge of oversight will be 5 year old kids.
@vkonej You have some truth to what you say, but there are countries such as in Netherlands and New Zealand where euthanasia is practiced and it is possible to administer without any noteworthy consequences.
Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
Thanks so much for posting this; about (13) years ago, I was “heroically” revived. I can tell you since then, my life has been a LIVING HELL on earth. My body went as far as it could with the healing process, and now I live like a (90) year old man. EVERYTHING hurts, and I have No One; the doctors were so proud of themselves for “getting me back” but they never followed up to see how I was doing. I have NO quality of life, and have become quite bitter & afraid of even more punishment from God.
@Mattyb88ful yo america can do whatever it wants. Its written on your dollar note "IN GOD WE TRUST" Tell your president to take that off the dollar note so we know its no longer a christian country and the world will treat it as 1. However, don't make stupid comments about people who don't live like americans especially when they are more than americans
@dancesun3 Okay, I understand you. But understand that, this is what you believe. Why should you want to force actions based on your belief system on people who aren't christians? I genuinely do not understand what you are saying.
@dancesun3 Alright. I get that. You think Euthanasia is an offense agains the god you happen to believe in. Now the question is, do you think people who don't share your religious beliefs, should not have the right, under extreme circumstances, to chose whether they want to be alive or not, because you your particular religion says it's wrong? Make an effort to answer properly now.
@x2thay Well see I do not believe that if a patient is in extreme pain that THEY choose to end their life. I just absolutely do not agree with the fact that the family and/or doctors have the decision whether or not to kill the patient. Most of the time when involving euthanasia, the doctors/family are the ones who give the order to kill the patient. The patient themselves should have the right to be the only one who makes the decision about themselves
@x2thay yes I do believe this. However I still am relating this to a biblical perspective that says "thou shalt not kill" and "nott one person on this earth has the authority to decide the time of another's death but God
@DD2k4 I think you will find that @SSTTEEAALLTTHH is not arguing that he/she has the right to choose, his/her argument is based on the choice of the one suffering.And by your offensive language and reference to hell are you a peace loving religious person?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH ohhh STFU and kill ur mom if she has a car crash. Let's see how you live with that. See you in hell afterwards ( whether you believe in it or not)
What's it to you, zealot? Do you know my mom, do you even know me? You live half-way across the globe, why should you get to decide for people you don't even know?
@DD2k4 if someone is diseased to fuck and can hardly move without being in unimaginable pain, then asks someone to help kill them, how is that murder? if they want to die, they should have the right to die.
@DD2k4 Murder is when you kill someone for most likely no reason and with the victim not wanting it or seeing it comming. Euthanasia is when someone in tremendous pain who probably only has a few terrible weeks or months of life left in them decides for THEMSELVES to be die in a painless way to stop suffering.
The creater of this video is retarded. The information presented in this video is misleading, wrong and biased. please do some research before you post another video on this controvertial topic that has been around for ages...
I think euthanasia should be a right world wide for people in pain, people with no use of arms and legs needing total care, and some mental illnesses like hearing voices, which is the persons own choice but not terry type situatons to be for the family meaning her husband and starvation and dehydration is much worse then living with a disability, that should never happen again. the awful electric chair or gas chamber would have been kinder then 30 days of starvation dehydration.
@ Stealth You are a fool. I never mentioned the insane god myth. If you had bothered to look at My channel, you would know I am an atheist.
It is unlikely that you, or even a doctor, could say for certain if a patient will 100% certainly die. To think otherwise is arrogant and ignorant. Medical OPINION is inductive reasoning at best.
There is no way any sane human being could make an informed decision as to whether or not they wish to die, and thus any such wish accounts for nothing.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Retard, it is YOUR position that requires a decision made to take life, not Mine. WHy are all pro-legal-murder people so stupid? Because being rational would not allow them to delude themselves they are not murderers.
Why do you think you have the right to decide what if other people should suffer? I'm pro-murder? If you mean, pro-peaceful death for those who wish it, yes i am. Do you like suffering, does it make you feel good to know that people are going trough agony? Are you a masochist, by any chance? Are you pro-torture and pro-suffering?
You're not religious?Well, you should be, it fits you really nice. It also involves thinking you are the one holder of the universal moral by which any human being, regarding of their situation would live. I bet that would work out really well for you, since, seeing your channel and the comments made, the only thing you lack to make you religious is belief in God. You already have the bigoted attitude, the idea you should decide over people you don't even know and vindication.
What points? You have yet to make a single concrete argument. The only thing you say is "suffering is better then death", which you can't prove or defend in any way.
You do impose your morals on other people, if not you would agree with choice. Why should other people go trough the same thing you claim you want to go trough?
To think there are people out there that have the guts to virtually go stand in front of another suffering human being with terminal stage-cancer or aids or another terminal illness and say "I think you should suffer on for a while longer, because i have here i book of 2000-year old dubiously translated desert scribblings that i interpret so." is just too appalling to imagine.
You value a book over the dignity of another suffering human being and call this regard for life... Disgusting.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH And if you follow your gut and put them to sleep, you're arrested, put in jail, and trails. even when you get out, then your 4 years of medical training, debt, 4 years of residency , 4 years of specialty training... gone.
Would you do that? If you can't obey the law required by your profession, then dont go in it.
Ship the patient to oregon or some state that allows it. When it is the law, a doctor's hands are bound.
Why is it the law? Because a bunch of of over-religious nutjubs who haven't got a clue about anything in the medical world, let alone ethics (without a doubt the hardest course I ever had in my 7 years of training) and their desert scribblings. It's sad that people have taken an agenda to human suffering.
While I personally don't disapprove when others chooses that choice... I see where the complication comes in.
1. Where do you cross the line? When someone is so depressed they want it to end? When they are terminal with 1 month? with 2 years?
2. Have you ever thought about the dangers of malpractice here? so many lawsuits can be made, so many loop holes can be made as well. It also opens it up for possibility of more crime.
1. As for depressions, there is help available. All terminally ill patients get physiological help too by the way. If someone with a depression wants to commit suicide, they will do it anyway, whether they can get an injection or cut their wrists. Sorry, but that's the harsh reality. I am not in any way suited to tell a human being what he or she can or can not do with his or her own body, which would be pointless anyway, if they still want to commit suicide after psychological help.
1. As for terminal-stage diseases, again none of mine or your or anyone else's business. When they feel suffering is unbearable it's up to them to sign the paper, it's not up to me to give them an date and ultimatum. Terminal diseases are terminal diseases. People will die inevitably. Whether or not they suffer and whether or not they will deteriorate is the issue upon which many make the choice. Death isn't frightening to many in the clinic, suffering and mental deterioration are.
2. This argument is pure circular logic. These lawsuits only exist because of the laws in place, which is the entire point of discussion here. Suppose riding a bike was illegal, there is no doubt riding a bike could get you a lawsuit, but the question is "Should riding a bike be illegal?".
Malpractice is pretty much a side-effect of about anything humans do, in or outside the medical world. The bigger malpractice is denying people the right to decide over their own suffering.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Also, just because you have some ethics class... do you have law classes under your belt? are you a JD/MD? no. Don't go spouting off like you know everything. You don't know enough to make a judgement.
Laws are passed via democratic voting. Most people aren't comfortable with it until they are in that situation themselves, which makes passing this stupid law hard. No definitive lines and ethical debate is hard to judge. It's not just an objective simple decision.
I don't claim universal moral because I had ethics, I merely said I had ethics (more than some, by the way) and it was not at all as black and white as many people who vote think it is. Again, existing laws are not an argument against the case as to whether or not a law should exist. This is circular logic and nothing more than repeating the point of discussion as if it is an argument. And yes, I do know the laws.
"You don't know enough to make a judgement." Neither, do you, so why not give people the choice to decide what to do with their own body and let them decide and make the judgement? No, instead you feel you can decide they can't have the option to euthanasia because you think so, even though you've never met these people. You pass the judgement, I advocate an option based on personal choice for everyone.
Euthanasia is an option, not a treatment. Don't want it yourself? Fine, but give other people the choice. It's judgmental not to give people a choice. It's absolute not to give them a choice. there is no way you can claim moral relativism and than go on to defend why people shouldn't have their own choice.
It may not be an objective decision, but I sure as hell know it's not yours or mine, which is why everyone should have the choice to decide this issue for themselves.
Democracy really doesn't matter here. If I and the majority passed a law that said no one was allowed to buy yellow shirts because we think we look ugly in them, should you therefor not have the right to buy a yellow shirt? The fact that I wouldn't do it myself doesn't mean that I can deny everybody else the choice. That would be absolutism. Euthanasia is a choice, not a mandatory thing. You are either pro-personal choice or pro-absolutism here. So are you a relativist or absolutist?
So you are basically saying: "Yeah, I know euthanasia is a personal liberty, but fuck it, people shouldn't have that liberty"? It's none of your damn business what these people choose to do.
Give me one good reason why not to legalize euthanasia or assisted suicide?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm still undecided about Euthanasia - but you have to consider the idea if it were to be legalised, many elderly people may agree to it simply because they feel they would be a burden to their family.
Before handing out driver licenses you'd have to consider people may go mental and drive into a mall or something. Malpractice is pretty much a side-effect of every right you give humans, but that shouldn't stop us from giving people those rights.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Thats not really relevant though - you can still drive a car into a mall without a drivers licence - what I mean is - making something as serious as suicide 'normal' people may feel pressured into doing it by their families or even governments who can't afford them :S
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH So you are telling me ... if you spent 200 k on education, 17 years training before practicing, you'll throw it all away at your first patient? Then go live in jail for a while, and when you come back, you get your medical license revoked?
I'm not saying we make them suffer more. If they really want to die, have them transported to Oregon.
@crazytalkerman So you'll be willing to throw away 17 years of training and the potential to save hundreds of lives for 1 patient? you didn't answer my question.
Are you so self-less that you'll work your ass off till you're 40 years old when you meet your first terminal patient, you'll throw everything away? Hell, you'll be out of a job in the first year if you are a cancer doc.
I'm not against euthanasia, but if i were a doctor, I wouldn't do it.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH and you aren't? You said "so you want doctors to be selfish".
if you can blame doctors, then put yourself in their shoes. legalization of this has a lot of ethical issues. A doctor has an oath to "protect life". People have different perspective of "protecting" life. Personally, if it was legal, I would not mind doing this after I receive my MD.
An oath that is meaningless compared to human rights, dignity and free choice.
I'm no MD, but I do work in healthcare. I research toxins and may not directly save people's lives. But the mistake in modern medicine is to put length of survival/life over quality of survival/life. Many doctors and medical personal will agree with me on this.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH that's funny... so your friends (doc's/ medical personal). If they agree, why don't they do it? How many of them have done it? How many of them have their license?
You think this issue is so easily solved with just legalizing? What draws the line between suicide (with help from physician) vs suicide because of the near- undeniable and painful death?
Actually, smart-ass, they have, because it's legal here in Belgium, and not simply one doctor can do it, there need to be 3 MD's around (preferably one an anesthesiologist) and an MD who specialized in whatever illness the patient is suffering.
Well, it is suicide, I'm not drawing any line. Suicide of people you've never even met is none of your business anyway.
Well dumb ass, if your in Belgium, you clearly neglected some cultural differences. Allowing or not of euthanasia for people you've never met is none of your business.
Euhm, yes it is. I'm advocating people get a choice. I've never met you so you can take it or leave it. Euthanasia is not something you have to get. I want to give everyone the choice simply because it's none of my business whether they want to take it or leave it. You are advocating absolutism, no choices.
I'm defending choice on a matter of personal freedoms, I'm not obligating nor denying anyone anything. I'm not saying "you can't do this because MY opinion says...". You are.
What cultural differences? The fact that we no longer vote on issues based upon 2000-year old desert scribblings? Do you think honor killings should be allowed in Afghanistan because of cultural differences?
Culture does not matter. Personal freedoms and human rights should be universal, regardless of what culture you have or what deity you think imposed laws.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH we do vote on it... It has yet to pass the majority vote.
You take human rights for granted. China has very little "human rights".
And they DO have a choice... they can simply asked to be transferred to a different state where it is legal. They CAN deny treatment. They CAN choose to be knocked out while the treatment is stopped and they will die that way.
"You take human rights for granted. China has very little "human rights"."
I take human rights for granted? I'm advocating them here.
What business does China have in this? Is that supposed to be an argument? Your argument are nothing but logical fallacies.
By the way, following your own line of logic, that would be because the Chinese have a different culture and according to you, you shouldn't neglect that.
Notice the difference between denying treatment, which can lead to an even more horrifying death and prolonged struggle and euthanasia, which is termination of your life when you see fit.
Again, we already had this argument, first of all there is no point it it being legal in only a few states. This simply makes logistics for people hard, it doesn't prove any point. Secondly, the federal government should guarantee civil liberties, they shouldn't be decided on by states.
denying treatment but allow morphine can knock the patient out completely. That way it won't be painful and the doctor does not have to directly be involved with taking a life
So you want to stall them basically? Again, you are just creating practical problems for people who have suffered enough already.
Watch this video /watch?v=XDOzT3_HfwI&feature=related
What would you have done? Would you tell this man to his face that you think he should just take morphine for another 2 years and slowly slide into total paraplegia and paralysis? Would you have the guts to tell him that to his face?
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH that's not a link, but anyways, do you think it is fair for patients to request a doctor to end his/her life? Do you think it's fair for the doctors? What if it is against the doctor's belief?
you can sedate a patient and deny treatment. They will probably pass away within 2-3 days not knowing anything. Plus, if you're so passionate, why dont you try and do something about it.
hell, go to a dying patient and YOU go shoot him in the head.
You are as obnoxious as you are ignorant. You have zero knowledge of pathology. Do you honestly think that you die withing 2-3 days from diseases like Alzheimer's, pancreatic cancer, etc.? Are you that stupid? The diseases you die from within 2-3 days are vastly in the minority.
"hell, go to a dying patient and YOU go shoot him in the head."
Now you are just becoming pathetic, it's sad that you need to turn to this kind of talk because you are out of arguments.
I don't do that because that would be considered murder and illegal and the entire discussion here is about whether or not euthanasia should be illegal. Why would you want to shoot someone in the head if you have barbiturates etc.? That's just a ridiculous argument of you.
"do you think it is fair for patients to request a doctor to end his/her life?"
Obviously, if they are incapable of ending it themselves, yes. That's the whole point of being pro-euthanasia. Are you just that stupid or was this a rhetorical question?
"Do you think it's fair for the doctors? "
Why not? If he wants to refuse fine, go find another one. Also, in this country very little doctors refuse it. That's reserved for religious nutjubs, such as in the US.
tell me, if you think ur the only one right, why is it always rejected when it tries to pass by votes? Because there's complications to this. When you make something like this legal, you have to have a point where it is illegal. We can't have suicidal patients coming for a easy death.
You can't answer that question then you have no right debating this. You can't find a clear cut off between legal and illegal.
"ell me, if you think ur the only one right, why is it always rejected when it tries to pass by votes?"
I hope this is rethorical question because the answer is pretty obvious. People are stupid and vote against liberties, and even own interest the entire time, especially on the back of religion. You see this in workers in the US voting for parties that want to abolish worker rights, you see this in drug policies, etc.
"We can't have suicidal patients coming for a easy death."
You are such a disgrace of a human being. Are you really that inhuman that you want to refuse people who suffer and easy path to a certain death instead of the agonizing long-haul?
I think me being willing to "kill" them if they ask is a lot more human than you standing by their bed and saying "nah, you're alright, carry on suffering".
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Hell we can all die the very next day. You can try to make the most of it. Regardless of what it is, it is still taking a life away.
also if you want to get all philosophical. Kant would said you have to be able to universalize this concept. Clearly, you can never universalize "killing" other wise the society would not function. I say let the family member go do it. Family can put the needle in the patient and the patient can "push the button" or what not.
No, YOU can't draw that line. It's up to the person to decide when he wants it or not. People shouldn't have to ask for permission of people like you to end THEIR OWN life. I say, let them draw the line.
If you had bothered to watch the video I sent you, you would know that in many cases family or the person themselves get the authority to push the button.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH so what if someone decides they want easy way out, they are perfectly healthy - but THEY choose to end their life. BAM physician assisted suicide for someone with depression.
If they've already received psychological counseling and still want to off themselves, you are not going to stop them unless you chain them to the bed 24/7. If they want to die, you are not going to stop them and again it's none of your business anyway> By what means they want to die, is the same to me, but I'd rather have have they save people the trauma of jumping etc.
"BAM physician assisted suicide for someone with depression."
Then make the injection readily available. That way, you don't even need a doctor. I already explained I have no problem with assisted suicide so you aren't shocking me.
'but THEY choose to end their life'
Yep, that's a hell of a lot better than you choosing what they do with their life.
Other people on the other side of the globe deciding to end their life is none of your business or concern, it doesn't affect you other than the butthurt it causes you for having no control over their lives, as it should be.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't care what they do on the other side of the globe or ppl suiciding. I think it's ridiculous for a patient to be able to expect their doctor will be willing to kill him.
It's one thing to allow suicide, but allowing murder will make it hard to universalize killing. What if the patient can't indicate they want their life ended? What if they don't want to end their life but his/her family make that decision for him? it wouldn't be suicide, it's murder
It shouldn't be called murder if there is consent. We already had this discussion, I already busted your arguments, stop repeating statements that are the matter of discussion. "It's murder" is not an argument, it"s the point of discussion. If you don"t have any arguments left, than best to cut your losses and get out. I've yet to hear anyone mount a successful case against human rights and free choice, and you are not about to be the first one.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Exactly! It is only murder when a person is killed without a choice. If a person makes the choice that they want to die, then that is suicide, which is their right. I am so tired of morons -- like the one that facilitated your response -- trying to use religious morals as a foundation for an argument. Let's define irony: The name Republican comes from Plato's "Republic", which points out many times we should have ethics without religious morals, since ethics is universal!
If you can't indicate 'yes' or 'no' in any way, you probably aren't in any condition that's showing much outlook anyway. I'm thinking of people who are braindead, paralyzed to a point they can't even blink, etc.
Also, if you can't decide whether or not to go into surgery, your relatives do. Are you going to call that involuntary assault or something like that as well?
We've already had that conversation about votes by the way. Voting does not matter for personal liberties. If the majority of whites in the US voted that blacks should be enslaved again, will you then consider slavery just? If 3 people vote against you over the ownership of your car, is it then alright for them to claim it, after all they passed the majority vote. Your life is yours only to take, especially in suffering. Not a 99,9% majority vote should stand in your way.
@blixxex You must be the dumbest piece of shit in this comment section. There are some countries/towns in the US that wouldn't pass a simple civil rights bill.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You are the dumb one. If i were a doctor, why the hell can't i have the belief that i do not want to take a life directly? I can have whatever hell belief i want.
Yeah, what separates you from being a murder and a doctor. I'm pretty sure if you sedate someone and let the body naturally die is still possible even with alzheimer/pancreatic cancer.
@blixxex "I'm pretty sure if you sedate someone and let the body naturally die is still possible even with alzheimer/pancreatic cancer."
You should make no more attempts at making any point in pathology, because it's clearly over your head. Alzheimer's takes years to kill you, and it doesn't even kill you directly, it only does so by making you lose the swallowing-reflex etc. You also clearly don't know what a horrible disease pancreatic cancer is.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm pretty sure I know more about pathology than you do. Yeah ok alzheimer takes years to kill you, if at all... did i saw let the disease kill them? no... sedate them, if they refuse force feeding, they will naturally die...
Your body can survive weeks, in some cases up to a month without food. A slow and painful death by the way. Not very pleasant to watch or smell or be around.
At the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm a microbiologist who specialized in toxicology. I've been working for 5 years now and writing my thesis for a PhD. I read on your channel you are 22. It would surprise me very much if you know more about pathology then me, especially considering the nonsense you utter about physiology etc.
"we do vote on it... It has yet to pass the majority vote."
Where did I claim you didn't vote on it?
Voting is of no concern here, human rights aren't up for voting or shouldn't be, that one of my arguments. You simply contradicting it does not make for an argument.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Great point. It's annoying when people talk about a humans rights to say euthansia is bad and every human has the "right" to live until they die by natural causes. It's a persons right to choose when they die. By telling them they can't you're taking their rights away not giving them rights.
I'm not terminal, though...I'm young and I cry in pain daily. I can do very little on my own. I miss me, because I'm now just a painball on fire. I used to love life. I'm not depressed, I just can't take the pain anymore...
The problem with Euthasnasia is that it would be abused.
I agree with the idea, but what if someone has a cancer that they can get better from, but it's a 50/50? What if someone goes into a coma, but then is capable of waking up years later?
What about bribery, schemes, and corruption in the medical field?
All must be considered when making a blanket law that states that it's okay. Someone, somewhere WILL abuse it.
Great video though.
Islandaholic 4 days ago
Hey come check out my newest video on Euthanasia!
WillToNihilsm 3 weeks ago
and they say U.S. education is 17th in the world
popi1496 3 months ago
This is a really touching story, I used eddie in an assignment as an example for pro euthanasia (i hope thats okay)
what was the name of the last song?
sirshrimpsworthy 3 months ago
I just saw this video now and at 6:03 it states that "There is no law or medical ethics that requires everything to be done to keep someone alive"
Please research the 'Hippocratic Oath' and tell me that there is 'no such ethic', because I'm sure a promise made should be a promise kept always and forever.
gaieve 4 months ago
Anyone who is against authanasia just hasn`t experienced it first hand. As soon as their family members or loved ones are in a situation where they is no chance of survival and they are in unbearable pain begging to be put out of their misery their opinions will change instantly
WarZoneHd 6 months ago
@WarZoneHd quick to judge
blixxex 6 months ago
its should be legal to do . my grand dad was a really healthy man and hardly never ill . one day he became really sick , couldnt walk , talk nor move his only communication with us was with blinking eyes , he was in atrrocious agony he wasnt allowed to drink if not he would choke , he suffered lying in bed like this for 4and half month we prayed god even we are not religious to put him to sleep but took 4and half month before he was at last in peace so yes IT SHOULD BE LEGAL
RIP granddad love u
dedeldedel123 6 months ago
I may agree that a person has the right to decide. It's like committing suicide in a way but less painful,right? But that's just a start. First - they're gonna give you an illusion that you have a choice, after that they're gonna suggest that all old, sick, disabled and not entirely healthy people should be killed(eugenics) and then they gonna to do it. So think about it twice, cause by the time you are old you may not have a choice any more. They may make it for you. Whatever your wish will be.
janeina10 6 months ago
i miss Michel Jackson
CariagaXIII 6 months ago
Murder is murder no matter what way you try and paint it. War is murder, abortion is murder, euthanasia is murder. Where do we draw the line on what can be killed legaly?
nowfoundmichael 7 months ago
Thanks for this (: This really helped me on my Philosophy and Religious Studies project on Euthanasia (:
AliciaTaylorton 7 months ago
my friends sister just killed herself at age 27 because she had terminal ovarian cancer. if all the christians in canada would stop deciding how others should live, she could have done it with her family at home instead of doing it alone overseas. shame on you merciless religious zealots.
canadianreserve 7 months ago
@canadianreserve I am a Christian and I don't believe it is wrong to do what your friends sister did. I do feel it was wrong that no one was there for her. I would not want to die alone and I am sorry that she had to do that. I tell you now, those "Christians" that you are referring to, are NOT true Christians. A true Christian does not judge. And I want you to know that. I would not have judged her. I would have been there for her and I LOVE Christ. Please don't let those people turn you away.
davidamagdalynn 7 months ago
This video brought me to tear;s. Happy and sad tear;s. But i want;d to thank you so much for making this video, it;s a lot easier than reading page;s and page;s. But i think it should be legal. Because they are in pain, that they could be brought out on. But only if they choose. And for the religion the Lord could have made it so someone could think of this. Or the Devil no one know;s, really. And i am kinda strange and that maybe death doesn;t hurt, maybe it;s the best feeling in the world.
15stargaze 7 months ago 4
@15stargaze shut the fuck up
sirbizzyd3 1 month ago
@sirbizzyd3 Ahahahahaha, why?^-^ I can't say how I feel about it?(:
15stargaze 1 month ago
Holy Crap. I didn't realize a 9th grade Economics project would initiate 120,000 views and almost 700 comments. Rad. Thanks guys.
-Kirstymon
kirstymon 7 months ago 12
@kirstymon No, doubt. However, this project is as good or better than I have seen at the Bachelors degree level! Plus, this is a very controversial subject, which people are always searching for answers about the subject; and, as a result, people find this video just because of the subject. The great thing about this video: the way it is put together is awesome. I am sure that a lot of people -- including grad students and professors -- could learn a lot from it.
kc8ntp 3 months ago
There have been people come out of a coma that were said to be in a vegetable state' and learned to talk. Its a slow process for the brain to learn all that after an accident and after it has healed there is a chance of learning to speak. He is unaware hes in a bed probably. But i agree with you on the decision because it is a slim chance they will pull through just some do
Hurleychic88 7 months ago
There is nothing to enjoy...euthanasia mus be legalised in all countries...No buts.
DaltonofHonour 7 months ago
1:30 - Michael Corleone had his pop Don Vito euthanized?
Anticyclonic 8 months ago
How or Where can I buy euthanasia?
Obinn77 8 months ago
@Obinn77 you can hang yourself. that's all
SaAMo0 8 months ago
We are having a debate about this in our class. I am pro euthanasia. Does it cost more to euthanise someone or to keep them on life support?
lolasorocks10 8 months ago
@lolasorocks10 it depends on how sever it is. say it was a case of someone being a complete vegatable, but still having 20+ years left to live. cost= hundreds of thousands of dollars
a person who can no longer eat or move, with less than a month to live, cost= a few grand.
but a Euthanasia Injection DOES cost more than the second, simply because you are trying to end the bodies funtionality completely, without harming most if not all of the vital organs for re-use ( i.e. organ donors)
BoomBoomChicky 8 months ago
by non-voluntary did you mean.... involuntary?
jacynm 8 months ago
Apparently, euthanasia is Greek for 'good death'. For those that cite Bible passages, I just want to ask you this one thing: would you let a loved one have a terrible life or a good death?
blee072 9 months ago
Who determines if someone is in enough pain to die?? A doctor and nurse who did not know my husband and were not familiar with a very treatable side effect of his chemo decided it was it time and doped him with morphine & reduced fluid intake til he died of kidney failure due to dehydration. They would not listen or believe it when he told them to stop. "He doesn't really know what he's saying" I was told... They refused to listen to me or relatives "They knew better"....
minotledge143 9 months ago
only GOD can take away human life, stop playing GOD or YOU shall burn in HELL
asst9999 9 months ago
@asst9999 God doesn´t kill anybody, he didn´t killed Hitler, therefore he doesn´t exist. You wasted your life for nothing
crazytalkerman 9 months ago
@crazytalkerman GOD love you :D
asst9999 9 months ago
@asst9999 Were you not supposed to be taken to Heaven on may 21???, I guess God doesn´t love you.
crazytalkerman 7 months ago
@crazytalkerman How does the fact that God didn't kill Hitler mean he doesn't exist? :L
Dervlahx3 7 months ago
@asst9999 but pineapples taste good? :S
BrawlMaster117 8 months ago
@asst9999 But how can you know that there is a greater force here in life. Yes christianity was good back in the days when science couldn't explain everything. But then IF god created the world in seven days what was before that... where do god come from... religion can't explain that and yes i know you would say "how could the universe be created out of nothing" but science is still very young. We are in a golden age where we will find about new things all the time.
wasp8800 8 months ago
For those who are against this look up ecclesiastes 8:8 in the bible. It clearly says not one person has the authority over when a person will die
dancesun3 9 months ago
@dancesun3 and what is wrong with being in a nation under God? You call taking away the life of someone reasonable and u still have the guts to call me ignorant? ur insane!!!!
DD2k4 9 months ago
@DD2k4 i didnt once say that euthanasia is reasonable. I am clearly saying that this is NOT an acceptable topic. I apologize for using the term ignorant idiot however
dancesun3 9 months ago
I've been in this situation before, so I can give an informed, experienced opinion...when you see someone you love on a ventilator who's turning yellow as their liver and kidneys have failed, but they're still breathing because of a machine...it's just wrong...we keep them alive for ourselves, not for them...at this point they're not supposed to be with us anymore and we have to be strong and do the right thing
manifestgtr 10 months ago
Physician assisted suicide and euthanasia are two different things
lkfjdlkfjsdlkjflskdj 10 months ago
There is not 4 types of euthanasia...
Euthanasia is generally classified as either "active" or "passive", and as either "voluntary" or "involuntary"
defiantpb06 10 months ago
Non-Voluntary - the person's competent wishes regarding euthanasia are not known.
defiantpb06 10 months ago
Can somebody tell me what is the background music? those songs sound so nice<3
jason9080asa 10 months ago
OMG,this is scary!!
hehe4460 10 months ago
hi. i was wondering where you get your pictures at because i'm doing a debate project in school about physician assisted suicide
montellis8 10 months ago
Having lived in unbearable pain for more than 10 years. I think I can speak to euthanasia, in a meaningful way. Before pain, I believed it was just like a woman rights to choose. Now I believe more than ever, MY right to choose. The only impossible task is to stop the hurt for my family. Personally I could not stand by and watch a loved one suffer as I have. I have attempted suicide more times than I care to recall. But family always intervenes.
granmarks 10 months ago
It is banned and it should remain such.God(or the Universe or what ever) said that you should die like this.No point at arguing.Also 75% of the US may support it but many patients chose against it.
MetalDiesHard 11 months ago
@MetalDiesHard
I would love to hear you say the exact same thing when your lying in a hospice crying out in agony and begging to die. Do you honestly believe God would want his children to suffer? God is love, he has nothing to do with suffering
cfynewever 10 months ago
@MetalDiesHard
Euthanasia should not be illegal just because you believe that your god would frown upon it. There is supposed to be separation of church and state, which means that religion should not interfere with the government. If you believe that it is wrong, then that's fine. It's your personal choice not to be euthanised or have your loved ones euthanised, but for people who don't believe in the same thing you do, they also have the right to their personal choice.
lkfjdlkfjsdlkjflskdj 10 months ago
What bothers me as that people who say it's not Government role to give Health Care even to people who need it are the same folks who want to tell the family what they can do with there loved ones.
HowardSternn 11 months ago
how long is it going to take people to know that they are being lied to? too much science that is proven is starting to make the bible a joke. really look at it. do you believe it on your own? or you believe it because u were taught to and forced to by your family?..... lets wait and see shall we?
fastandfurioustokyo 11 months ago
We were created, not by ourselves, to LIVE on this world. what gives us the liberty to end it? Yes, life is too hard for us to handle on our own, but we are not alone. 3 16
liveforapurpose 11 months ago
@liveforapurpose
Who are you to tell someone who is living in unbearable conditions that they cannot choose to die?
In some cases human life can be reduced to pure pain. It's inhumane to deny those patients the right to die.
BohemianBlasphemy 11 months ago
dont u think this is like murder in gods eyes, im not sayin it is, the bible says it, not str8 up, but subliminally
hatchetswinginindian 11 months ago
@hatchetswinginindian
God?
The bible?
Let's deal with reality, shall we?
BohemianBlasphemy 11 months ago
organs are not harvested from a patient wanting euthanasia...they are harvestd from healthy euthanized patients who have had life support removed
777Giovanna 11 months ago
euthanasia is illegal..."pulling the plug" is legal...there is no difference...with euthanasia, the patient benefits..."pulling the plug", someone else is saved through organ donation
777Giovanna 11 months ago
Happy will be the day when religion is finally recognized as the nonsensical & destructive musings of a pre-scientific era. Religion is obsolete...let it slip into history already so that we may get on with the business of being. Silly humans.
aeg832 1 year ago
I don't believe Euthanasia to be suicide. Suicide is when you wish to take your life. Euthanasia is when you HAVE to die but choose when and how it is done. That is no crime in my eyes but clarity.
TheThreeWeavers 1 year ago
If I had a tumor the size of a orange growing in my skull, making me go blind and insane. I would want someone to euthanize me.
Colethecon 1 year ago
Should be legalized some decisions are just not ethical but how Is letting someone suffer an act of moral beliefs
Just417 1 year ago
I did a speech, as well as a philosophy paper on this topic, and from what i gathered based on the reactions of my classmates when I gave the speech, if they were in such situations as these, they would want to end their suffering. I'm tired of people letting loved ones suffer for selfish reasons, or doctors saying no due to religion or whatnot. The fact is, it is the choice of the one suffering whether they want to suffer or die...... Personally I would not want to suffer.....
prettyponybaby2007 1 year ago
Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
vkonej 1 year ago
@vkonej I do believe you're talking out of your ass. You are just strutting a ridiculous scenario as if the people in charge of oversight will be 5 year old kids.
vTunes 1 year ago
@vkonej You have some truth to what you say, but there are countries such as in Netherlands and New Zealand where euthanasia is practiced and it is possible to administer without any noteworthy consequences.
DevilDman 1 year ago
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Mercy killing, or euthanasia is an dangerous idea and should never be a loved, because it is, in reality impossible to administer.
In a time of economic crisis, massive cut down on the public health care sector, hospitals, euthanasia will be misused on patients that is regarded as not valuable on the labour market. Especially old people will be “euthanized” by the doctors for economic and resource viewpoints. But also long time unemployed, people on sick pensions, homeless and groups a like.
vkonej 1 year ago
Thanks so much for posting this; about (13) years ago, I was “heroically” revived. I can tell you since then, my life has been a LIVING HELL on earth. My body went as far as it could with the healing process, and now I live like a (90) year old man. EVERYTHING hurts, and I have No One; the doctors were so proud of themselves for “getting me back” but they never followed up to see how I was doing. I have NO quality of life, and have become quite bitter & afraid of even more punishment from God.
OpinionatedOldFart 1 year ago
This is another issue where the religious force their beliefs on other people.
Mattyb88ful 1 year ago 20
@Mattyb88ful Oh yes indeed.
DevilDman 1 year ago
@Mattyb88ful yo america can do whatever it wants. Its written on your dollar note "IN GOD WE TRUST" Tell your president to take that off the dollar note so we know its no longer a christian country and the world will treat it as 1. However, don't make stupid comments about people who don't live like americans especially when they are more than americans
DD2k4 9 months ago
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@DD2k4 Jesus killed himself
crazytalkerman 9 months ago
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dancesun3 9 months ago
@dancesun3 Okay, I understand you. But understand that, this is what you believe. Why should you want to force actions based on your belief system on people who aren't christians? I genuinely do not understand what you are saying.
x2thay 9 months ago
@x2thay Im not forcing anything on anyone. Im just speaking the Truth in what I believe
dancesun3 9 months ago
@dancesun3 Alright. I get that. You think Euthanasia is an offense agains the god you happen to believe in. Now the question is, do you think people who don't share your religious beliefs, should not have the right, under extreme circumstances, to chose whether they want to be alive or not, because you your particular religion says it's wrong? Make an effort to answer properly now.
x2thay 9 months ago
@x2thay Well see I do not believe that if a patient is in extreme pain that THEY choose to end their life. I just absolutely do not agree with the fact that the family and/or doctors have the decision whether or not to kill the patient. Most of the time when involving euthanasia, the doctors/family are the ones who give the order to kill the patient. The patient themselves should have the right to be the only one who makes the decision about themselves
dancesun3 9 months ago
@dancesun3 So if a sane patient choses in good conscience to end his or her life, then you don't object to that?
Alright. You're not as bad as I thought and you deserve a little respect for that.
x2thay 9 months ago
@x2thay yes I do believe this. However I still am relating this to a biblical perspective that says "thou shalt not kill" and "nott one person on this earth has the authority to decide the time of another's death but God
dancesun3 9 months ago
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dancesun3 9 months ago
This is a really inspiring video. Lost count of how many times I've watched it now.
Can I just ask where I can find the song that starts at 6:13? <3
xXxIsSiexXx 1 year ago
@morbidisity so whose side are you on?
DD2k4 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Then don't do the same to others asshole!!!
DD2k4 1 year ago
@DD2k4 I think you will find that @SSTTEEAALLTTHH is not arguing that he/she has the right to choose, his/her argument is based on the choice of the one suffering.And by your offensive language and reference to hell are you a peace loving religious person?
morbidisity 1 year ago
Then don't do the same to others asshole!!!
DD2k4 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH ohhh STFU and kill ur mom if she has a car crash. Let's see how you live with that. See you in hell afterwards ( whether you believe in it or not)
DD2k4 1 year ago
@DD2k4
What's it to you, zealot? Do you know my mom, do you even know me? You live half-way across the globe, why should you get to decide for people you don't even know?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
Euthanasia is wrong. Can someone tell me the difference between that and murder?
DD2k4 1 year ago
@DD2k4 if someone is diseased to fuck and can hardly move without being in unimaginable pain, then asks someone to help kill them, how is that murder? if they want to die, they should have the right to die.
jack4496 1 year ago
@jack4496 Yes.
DevilDman 1 year ago
@DevilDman lol what do you mean 'yes'? you mean you agree with me or.. ?
jack4496 1 year ago
@jack4496 Yes. I agree. lol
DevilDman 1 year ago
@DD2k4 Legallizing euthanasia doesn´t mean forcing it into everyone. How can you be so stupid
crazytalkerman 9 months ago
@DD2k4 Murder is when you kill someone for most likely no reason and with the victim not wanting it or seeing it comming. Euthanasia is when someone in tremendous pain who probably only has a few terrible weeks or months of life left in them decides for THEMSELVES to be die in a painless way to stop suffering.
That's the difference :)
Neonrose100 9 months ago
The creater of this video is retarded. The information presented in this video is misleading, wrong and biased. please do some research before you post another video on this controvertial topic that has been around for ages...
lookingfly109 1 year ago
It’s
really hard to decide especially when you love the person who is
suffering.
Sheenalyssa 1 year ago
The391956 1 year ago
@ Stealth You are a fool. I never mentioned the insane god myth. If you had bothered to look at My channel, you would know I am an atheist.
It is unlikely that you, or even a doctor, could say for certain if a patient will 100% certainly die. To think otherwise is arrogant and ignorant. Medical OPINION is inductive reasoning at best.
There is no way any sane human being could make an informed decision as to whether or not they wish to die, and thus any such wish accounts for nothing.
SeerTravisTruman 1 year ago
@SeerTravisTruman
So you will decide for them? Because no human being can make that decision, except you for them?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Retard, it is YOUR position that requires a decision made to take life, not Mine. WHy are all pro-legal-murder people so stupid? Because being rational would not allow them to delude themselves they are not murderers.
SeerTravisTruman 1 year ago
@SeerTravisTruman
Retard? How old are you, twelve?
Why do you think you have the right to decide what if other people should suffer? I'm pro-murder? If you mean, pro-peaceful death for those who wish it, yes i am. Do you like suffering, does it make you feel good to know that people are going trough agony? Are you a masochist, by any chance? Are you pro-torture and pro-suffering?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SeerTravisTruman
You're not religious?Well, you should be, it fits you really nice. It also involves thinking you are the one holder of the universal moral by which any human being, regarding of their situation would live. I bet that would work out really well for you, since, seeing your channel and the comments made, the only thing you lack to make you religious is belief in God. You already have the bigoted attitude, the idea you should decide over people you don't even know and vindication.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I dont place any objective morals on anyone, so you are wrong again. What is it about you that keeps getting everything wrong?
PS You have dodged all My points. End of communications.
SeerTravisTruman 1 year ago
@SeerTravisTruman
What points? You have yet to make a single concrete argument. The only thing you say is "suffering is better then death", which you can't prove or defend in any way.
You do impose your morals on other people, if not you would agree with choice. Why should other people go trough the same thing you claim you want to go trough?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
To think there are people out there that have the guts to virtually go stand in front of another suffering human being with terminal stage-cancer or aids or another terminal illness and say "I think you should suffer on for a while longer, because i have here i book of 2000-year old dubiously translated desert scribblings that i interpret so." is just too appalling to imagine.
You value a book over the dignity of another suffering human being and call this regard for life... Disgusting.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago 32
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH And if you follow your gut and put them to sleep, you're arrested, put in jail, and trails. even when you get out, then your 4 years of medical training, debt, 4 years of residency , 4 years of specialty training... gone.
Would you do that? If you can't obey the law required by your profession, then dont go in it.
Ship the patient to oregon or some state that allows it. When it is the law, a doctor's hands are bound.
blixxex 1 year ago
@blixxex
Why is it the law? Because a bunch of of over-religious nutjubs who haven't got a clue about anything in the medical world, let alone ethics (without a doubt the hardest course I ever had in my 7 years of training) and their desert scribblings. It's sad that people have taken an agenda to human suffering.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH actually it's bunch of people voting.
While I personally don't disapprove when others chooses that choice... I see where the complication comes in.
1. Where do you cross the line? When someone is so depressed they want it to end? When they are terminal with 1 month? with 2 years?
2. Have you ever thought about the dangers of malpractice here? so many lawsuits can be made, so many loop holes can be made as well. It also opens it up for possibility of more crime.
blixxex 1 year ago
@blixxex
1. As for depressions, there is help available. All terminally ill patients get physiological help too by the way. If someone with a depression wants to commit suicide, they will do it anyway, whether they can get an injection or cut their wrists. Sorry, but that's the harsh reality. I am not in any way suited to tell a human being what he or she can or can not do with his or her own body, which would be pointless anyway, if they still want to commit suicide after psychological help.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@blixxex
1. As for terminal-stage diseases, again none of mine or your or anyone else's business. When they feel suffering is unbearable it's up to them to sign the paper, it's not up to me to give them an date and ultimatum. Terminal diseases are terminal diseases. People will die inevitably. Whether or not they suffer and whether or not they will deteriorate is the issue upon which many make the choice. Death isn't frightening to many in the clinic, suffering and mental deterioration are.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@blixxex
2. This argument is pure circular logic. These lawsuits only exist because of the laws in place, which is the entire point of discussion here. Suppose riding a bike was illegal, there is no doubt riding a bike could get you a lawsuit, but the question is "Should riding a bike be illegal?".
Malpractice is pretty much a side-effect of about anything humans do, in or outside the medical world. The bigger malpractice is denying people the right to decide over their own suffering.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Also, just because you have some ethics class... do you have law classes under your belt? are you a JD/MD? no. Don't go spouting off like you know everything. You don't know enough to make a judgement.
Laws are passed via democratic voting. Most people aren't comfortable with it until they are in that situation themselves, which makes passing this stupid law hard. No definitive lines and ethical debate is hard to judge. It's not just an objective simple decision.
blixxex 1 year ago
@blixxex
I don't claim universal moral because I had ethics, I merely said I had ethics (more than some, by the way) and it was not at all as black and white as many people who vote think it is. Again, existing laws are not an argument against the case as to whether or not a law should exist. This is circular logic and nothing more than repeating the point of discussion as if it is an argument. And yes, I do know the laws.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@blixxex
"You don't know enough to make a judgement." Neither, do you, so why not give people the choice to decide what to do with their own body and let them decide and make the judgement? No, instead you feel you can decide they can't have the option to euthanasia because you think so, even though you've never met these people. You pass the judgement, I advocate an option based on personal choice for everyone.
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SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@blixxex
Euthanasia is an option, not a treatment. Don't want it yourself? Fine, but give other people the choice. It's judgmental not to give people a choice. It's absolute not to give them a choice. there is no way you can claim moral relativism and than go on to defend why people shouldn't have their own choice.
It may not be an objective decision, but I sure as hell know it's not yours or mine, which is why everyone should have the choice to decide this issue for themselves.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@blixxex
Democracy really doesn't matter here. If I and the majority passed a law that said no one was allowed to buy yellow shirts because we think we look ugly in them, should you therefor not have the right to buy a yellow shirt? The fact that I wouldn't do it myself doesn't mean that I can deny everybody else the choice. That would be absolutism. Euthanasia is a choice, not a mandatory thing. You are either pro-personal choice or pro-absolutism here. So are you a relativist or absolutist?
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@SSTTEEAALLTTHH It's even people choice if anyone want to suicied, but that is not make suicide legal
SaAMo0 8 months ago
@SaAMo0
So you are basically saying: "Yeah, I know euthanasia is a personal liberty, but fuck it, people shouldn't have that liberty"? It's none of your damn business what these people choose to do.
Give me one good reason why not to legalize euthanasia or assisted suicide?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 8 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm still undecided about Euthanasia - but you have to consider the idea if it were to be legalised, many elderly people may agree to it simply because they feel they would be a burden to their family.
Dervlahx3 7 months ago
@Dervlahx3
Before handing out driver licenses you'd have to consider people may go mental and drive into a mall or something. Malpractice is pretty much a side-effect of every right you give humans, but that shouldn't stop us from giving people those rights.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Thats not really relevant though - you can still drive a car into a mall without a drivers licence - what I mean is - making something as serious as suicide 'normal' people may feel pressured into doing it by their families or even governments who can't afford them :S
Dervlahx3 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH So you are telling me ... if you spent 200 k on education, 17 years training before practicing, you'll throw it all away at your first patient? Then go live in jail for a while, and when you come back, you get your medical license revoked?
I'm not saying we make them suffer more. If they really want to die, have them transported to Oregon.
blixxex 8 months ago
@blixxex You are against euthanasia, but notice that your argument for doctors not to do it, is that you want them to be selfish.
crazytalkerman 8 months ago
@crazytalkerman So you'll be willing to throw away 17 years of training and the potential to save hundreds of lives for 1 patient? you didn't answer my question.
Are you so self-less that you'll work your ass off till you're 40 years old when you meet your first terminal patient, you'll throw everything away? Hell, you'll be out of a job in the first year if you are a cancer doc.
I'm not against euthanasia, but if i were a doctor, I wouldn't do it.
blixxex 8 months ago
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SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH and you aren't? You said "so you want doctors to be selfish".
if you can blame doctors, then put yourself in their shoes. legalization of this has a lot of ethical issues. A doctor has an oath to "protect life". People have different perspective of "protecting" life. Personally, if it was legal, I would not mind doing this after I receive my MD.
blixxex 7 months ago
@blixxex
An oath that is meaningless compared to human rights, dignity and free choice.
I'm no MD, but I do work in healthcare. I research toxins and may not directly save people's lives. But the mistake in modern medicine is to put length of survival/life over quality of survival/life. Many doctors and medical personal will agree with me on this.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH that's funny... so your friends (doc's/ medical personal). If they agree, why don't they do it? How many of them have done it? How many of them have their license?
You think this issue is so easily solved with just legalizing? What draws the line between suicide (with help from physician) vs suicide because of the near- undeniable and painful death?
blixxex 7 months ago
@blixxex
Actually, smart-ass, they have, because it's legal here in Belgium, and not simply one doctor can do it, there need to be 3 MD's around (preferably one an anesthesiologist) and an MD who specialized in whatever illness the patient is suffering.
Well, it is suicide, I'm not drawing any line. Suicide of people you've never even met is none of your business anyway.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
Well dumb ass, if your in Belgium, you clearly neglected some cultural differences. Allowing or not of euthanasia for people you've never met is none of your business.
blixxex 7 months ago
@blixxex
Euhm, yes it is. I'm advocating people get a choice. I've never met you so you can take it or leave it. Euthanasia is not something you have to get. I want to give everyone the choice simply because it's none of my business whether they want to take it or leave it. You are advocating absolutism, no choices.
I'm defending choice on a matter of personal freedoms, I'm not obligating nor denying anyone anything. I'm not saying "you can't do this because MY opinion says...". You are.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@blixxex
What cultural differences? The fact that we no longer vote on issues based upon 2000-year old desert scribblings? Do you think honor killings should be allowed in Afghanistan because of cultural differences?
Culture does not matter. Personal freedoms and human rights should be universal, regardless of what culture you have or what deity you think imposed laws.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH we do vote on it... It has yet to pass the majority vote.
You take human rights for granted. China has very little "human rights".
And they DO have a choice... they can simply asked to be transferred to a different state where it is legal. They CAN deny treatment. They CAN choose to be knocked out while the treatment is stopped and they will die that way.
blixxex 7 months ago
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@blixxex
"You take human rights for granted. China has very little "human rights"."
I take human rights for granted? I'm advocating them here.
What business does China have in this? Is that supposed to be an argument? Your argument are nothing but logical fallacies.
By the way, following your own line of logic, that would be because the Chinese have a different culture and according to you, you shouldn't neglect that.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@blixxex
Notice the difference between denying treatment, which can lead to an even more horrifying death and prolonged struggle and euthanasia, which is termination of your life when you see fit.
Again, we already had this argument, first of all there is no point it it being legal in only a few states. This simply makes logistics for people hard, it doesn't prove any point. Secondly, the federal government should guarantee civil liberties, they shouldn't be decided on by states.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
denying treatment but allow morphine can knock the patient out completely. That way it won't be painful and the doctor does not have to directly be involved with taking a life
blixxex 7 months ago
@blixxex
So you want to stall them basically? Again, you are just creating practical problems for people who have suffered enough already.
Watch this video /watch?v=XDOzT3_HfwI&feature=related
What would you have done? Would you tell this man to his face that you think he should just take morphine for another 2 years and slowly slide into total paraplegia and paralysis? Would you have the guts to tell him that to his face?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH that's not a link, but anyways, do you think it is fair for patients to request a doctor to end his/her life? Do you think it's fair for the doctors? What if it is against the doctor's belief?
you can sedate a patient and deny treatment. They will probably pass away within 2-3 days not knowing anything. Plus, if you're so passionate, why dont you try and do something about it.
hell, go to a dying patient and YOU go shoot him in the head.
blixxex 7 months ago
@blixxex
It's a link. Past it in google.
You are as obnoxious as you are ignorant. You have zero knowledge of pathology. Do you honestly think that you die withing 2-3 days from diseases like Alzheimer's, pancreatic cancer, etc.? Are you that stupid? The diseases you die from within 2-3 days are vastly in the minority.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
"hell, go to a dying patient and YOU go shoot him in the head."
Now you are just becoming pathetic, it's sad that you need to turn to this kind of talk because you are out of arguments.
I don't do that because that would be considered murder and illegal and the entire discussion here is about whether or not euthanasia should be illegal. Why would you want to shoot someone in the head if you have barbiturates etc.? That's just a ridiculous argument of you.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
"do you think it is fair for patients to request a doctor to end his/her life?"
Obviously, if they are incapable of ending it themselves, yes. That's the whole point of being pro-euthanasia. Are you just that stupid or was this a rhetorical question?
"Do you think it's fair for the doctors? "
Why not? If he wants to refuse fine, go find another one. Also, in this country very little doctors refuse it. That's reserved for religious nutjubs, such as in the US.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
tell me, if you think ur the only one right, why is it always rejected when it tries to pass by votes? Because there's complications to this. When you make something like this legal, you have to have a point where it is illegal. We can't have suicidal patients coming for a easy death.
You can't answer that question then you have no right debating this. You can't find a clear cut off between legal and illegal.
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
"ell me, if you think ur the only one right, why is it always rejected when it tries to pass by votes?"
I hope this is rethorical question because the answer is pretty obvious. People are stupid and vote against liberties, and even own interest the entire time, especially on the back of religion. You see this in workers in the US voting for parties that want to abolish worker rights, you see this in drug policies, etc.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
"We can't have suicidal patients coming for a easy death."
You are such a disgrace of a human being. Are you really that inhuman that you want to refuse people who suffer and easy path to a certain death instead of the agonizing long-haul?
I think me being willing to "kill" them if they ask is a lot more human than you standing by their bed and saying "nah, you're alright, carry on suffering".
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
People who are suicidal should get counseling first. But if that doesn't help, who are you to tell them they can't off themselves?
Also, notice the difference between euthanasia, which implies a long life-threatening disease, and suicide as you present it.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Hell we can all die the very next day. You can try to make the most of it. Regardless of what it is, it is still taking a life away.
also if you want to get all philosophical. Kant would said you have to be able to universalize this concept. Clearly, you can never universalize "killing" other wise the society would not function. I say let the family member go do it. Family can put the needle in the patient and the patient can "push the button" or what not.
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
No, YOU can't draw that line. It's up to the person to decide when he wants it or not. People shouldn't have to ask for permission of people like you to end THEIR OWN life. I say, let them draw the line.
If you had bothered to watch the video I sent you, you would know that in many cases family or the person themselves get the authority to push the button.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH so what if someone decides they want easy way out, they are perfectly healthy - but THEY choose to end their life. BAM physician assisted suicide for someone with depression.
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
If they've already received psychological counseling and still want to off themselves, you are not going to stop them unless you chain them to the bed 24/7. If they want to die, you are not going to stop them and again it's none of your business anyway> By what means they want to die, is the same to me, but I'd rather have have they save people the trauma of jumping etc.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
"BAM physician assisted suicide for someone with depression."
Then make the injection readily available. That way, you don't even need a doctor. I already explained I have no problem with assisted suicide so you aren't shocking me.
'but THEY choose to end their life'
Yep, that's a hell of a lot better than you choosing what they do with their life.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
Other people on the other side of the globe deciding to end their life is none of your business or concern, it doesn't affect you other than the butthurt it causes you for having no control over their lives, as it should be.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't care what they do on the other side of the globe or ppl suiciding. I think it's ridiculous for a patient to be able to expect their doctor will be willing to kill him.
It's one thing to allow suicide, but allowing murder will make it hard to universalize killing. What if the patient can't indicate they want their life ended? What if they don't want to end their life but his/her family make that decision for him? it wouldn't be suicide, it's murder
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
It shouldn't be called murder if there is consent. We already had this discussion, I already busted your arguments, stop repeating statements that are the matter of discussion. "It's murder" is not an argument, it"s the point of discussion. If you don"t have any arguments left, than best to cut your losses and get out. I've yet to hear anyone mount a successful case against human rights and free choice, and you are not about to be the first one.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Exactly! It is only murder when a person is killed without a choice. If a person makes the choice that they want to die, then that is suicide, which is their right. I am so tired of morons -- like the one that facilitated your response -- trying to use religious morals as a foundation for an argument. Let's define irony: The name Republican comes from Plato's "Republic", which points out many times we should have ethics without religious morals, since ethics is universal!
kc8ntp 3 months ago
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@blixxex
"It's one thing to allow suicide"
Than why were you so worked up about it in the last comment?
"What if the patient can't indicate they want their life ended?"
Declaration of will, a testament, etc. If you don't have that, indeed let relatives at least have the discussion.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
If you can't indicate 'yes' or 'no' in any way, you probably aren't in any condition that's showing much outlook anyway. I'm thinking of people who are braindead, paralyzed to a point they can't even blink, etc.
Also, if you can't decide whether or not to go into surgery, your relatives do. Are you going to call that involuntary assault or something like that as well?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
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@blixxex
Again, you are just creating logistical problems.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
We've already had that conversation about votes by the way. Voting does not matter for personal liberties. If the majority of whites in the US voted that blacks should be enslaved again, will you then consider slavery just? If 3 people vote against you over the ownership of your car, is it then alright for them to claim it, after all they passed the majority vote. Your life is yours only to take, especially in suffering. Not a 99,9% majority vote should stand in your way.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Most people voted against slavery.
You can't draw a line when it should be allowed and when it should NOT. that's the reason it hasn't passed.
Slavery, the line was drawn at it should never be allowed
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex You must be the dumbest piece of shit in this comment section. There are some countries/towns in the US that wouldn't pass a simple civil rights bill.
ICAVE11 6 months ago
@ICAVE11 Yeah, if you can't accept it, move to a different town. LOL
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
"What if it is against the doctor's belief?"
What belief? Religion? Human rights and personal liberties are bigger than religion or personal beliefs of any kind.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You are the dumb one. If i were a doctor, why the hell can't i have the belief that i do not want to take a life directly? I can have whatever hell belief i want.
Yeah, what separates you from being a murder and a doctor. I'm pretty sure if you sedate someone and let the body naturally die is still possible even with alzheimer/pancreatic cancer.
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex "I'm pretty sure if you sedate someone and let the body naturally die is still possible even with alzheimer/pancreatic cancer."
You should make no more attempts at making any point in pathology, because it's clearly over your head. Alzheimer's takes years to kill you, and it doesn't even kill you directly, it only does so by making you lose the swallowing-reflex etc. You also clearly don't know what a horrible disease pancreatic cancer is.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I'm pretty sure I know more about pathology than you do. Yeah ok alzheimer takes years to kill you, if at all... did i saw let the disease kill them? no... sedate them, if they refuse force feeding, they will naturally die...
blixxex 6 months ago
@blixxex
Your body can survive weeks, in some cases up to a month without food. A slow and painful death by the way. Not very pleasant to watch or smell or be around.
At the risk of sounding arrogant, I'm a microbiologist who specialized in toxicology. I've been working for 5 years now and writing my thesis for a PhD. I read on your channel you are 22. It would surprise me very much if you know more about pathology then me, especially considering the nonsense you utter about physiology etc.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 6 months ago
@blixxex
"we do vote on it... It has yet to pass the majority vote."
Where did I claim you didn't vote on it?
Voting is of no concern here, human rights aren't up for voting or shouldn't be, that one of my arguments. You simply contradicting it does not make for an argument.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 7 months ago
Unbiased here. Interesting way to put it.
kirstymon 7 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Great point. It's annoying when people talk about a humans rights to say euthansia is bad and every human has the "right" to live until they die by natural causes. It's a persons right to choose when they die. By telling them they can't you're taking their rights away not giving them rights.
neddomac 1 year ago
I'm not terminal, though...I'm young and I cry in pain daily. I can do very little on my own. I miss me, because I'm now just a painball on fire. I used to love life. I'm not depressed, I just can't take the pain anymore...
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