Strayed: The Story of How the Animal Welfare Community Lost its Way

[adriennejeryl]

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON HOW I CAN HELP ANIMALS. I AM OLDER NOW AND UNABLE TO HAVE A PET AT THIS TIME ..I WANT TO LEARN ALL I CAN ON HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PETS BORN IN PUPPY MILLS. I WANT TO HELP GET RID OF THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM.

[NewMexicoPetsALIVE]

BRAVO!! Sharing with everyone here in New Mexico and beyond! Keep up the great work!!

[NewMexicoPetsALIVE]

BRAVO!! Sharing with everyone here in New Mexico and beyond! Keep up the great work!!

[KitemanTV]

What an entertaining and informative video! #cats #dogs Everyone needs to watch this.

[ElvisCat59]

This is a BEAUTIFUL video and alot of info for everyone to learn. I believe our country should watch this on network tv..I have shelter experience worked at a no kill shelter and know what goes on in kill shelters and pounds. Our country's mindset needs to be reset, educated, and compassion taught in schools from Kindergarten thru highschool, because there is too much abuse of animals in towns, neighborhoods, homes.. This saddens me so much and makes me very angry too.! It HAS to STOP!

[tonidean3737]

Thank you! I found my pit starved, shot, and beaten in rural AL.  He is now happy and laying beside me as I type. He lives happily with a poodle and another pit. Please give these dogs another chance! The love they give is ten-fold.

[artesegtr]

God Bless Animal Ark !

[arivera3426]

We need to neuter and spay stupid people who don't want to help the animals.

[Tellico1]

@arivera3426

Remarks like this turn people against what you are trying to do

[michelle402010]

@arivera3426 I WISH I HAD THE MONEY AND NOHOW TO HELP OUR ANIMALS HERE IN YUMA,AZ,,they like killing animals i think anyways.



[TheExposingthelies]

#nokill IS possible... The problem is its EASIER and CHEAPER to euthanize... Look at the ASPCA PETA and HSUS... Have taken in BILLIONS of dollars... And they still dont even care for Puppy mill raid dogs after the raids in many or most cases... Its really sad and shameful...

[TheExposingthelies]

Ive been rescuing doing my own vacs wormings, dipping clipping baithing, feeding for twenty years.. You can get M O S T dogs into homeable condition with a couple of weeks of love , work and dedication./30-40 bucks.. Do what is wthin your means with whatou have, I GUARANTEE some LOVING person who REALLY cares, will come along and fall in love... Ive homed some reallly rough looking, three legged, blind ,one eyed, practically bald animals to LOVING people who cared.

[Inhento]

Inspiring, beautiful, congratulations! I work as a volunteer in a shelter in Brazil. We are a non killing shelter and we spay and neuter with the help of the City Hall. Hope one day, all shelters understand the meaning of "shelter" and "protection".

Keep up the good work! God bless you!

Natasha from Caxias do Sul, Brazil

[Inhento]

Inspiring, beautiful, congratulations! I work as a volunteer in a shelter in Brazil. We are a non killing shelter and we spay and neuter with the help of the City Hall. Hope one day, all shelters understand the meaning of "shelter" and "protection".

Keep up the good work! God bless you!

Natasha from Caxias do Sul, Brazil

[drafthorseMD]

Let's say this month's budget for vet expenses is $4,000. Do you use that to vaccinate 200 dogs/cats? Or do you put it all into a single dog who needs a hip operation? Having bad hips is not a "terminal condition" but it might cause him a great deal of pain. Do you not kill him but not operate? Do you operate but let the other pets suffer? Do you do what some (bad)"rescues" do and lie about his condition to get a rescue in another town to take him with other dogs? It's not easy. :-(

[mikefry]

@drafthorseMD You are suggesting a false choice. First, vaccinating 200 dogs & cats does not cost $4,000 for most shelters. Second, if you need to do a surgery that is over your budget you can post a plea to your members/donors and raise the money. In my experience running a shelter, this works every time. So, to answer your question, I would continue vaccinating all the animals that need it, AND I would do the surgery that is needed. It is not actually either/or.

[drafthorseMD]

@mikefry I run a shelter. You can easily spend over $20/animal getting basic shots. Example: my local horse rescue: EEE/WEE/tetanus 4-in-1 $15, Rabies $15, West Nile$15 = $45/animal. Add botulism, total = $65/animal

If you post a plea, it can take weeks or months to raise $4k. Does the dog lay there in pain in the meantime? Or do you put it on Credit, hoping some day to pay it (and instead go under as interest builds)?

[mikefry]

@drafthorseMD Your argument is dishonest. In your original post, you talked about dog/cat vaccines, then you quoted prices for equine vaccine, which are dramatically different. Furthermore, even if it took "months" to raise the money for surgery, that would not mean you could not get the surgery done today... managing cash flow is part of running a shelter.

[drafthorseMD]

@mikefry It's not dishonest. A horse no-kill shelter is just as valid as a dog one. I quote horses because I work for a horse shelter.

Dog vaccination prices: DA2PPv (requires 2 shots) $5 each = $10. Rabies $12.

Parvo 2x $4= $8. already at $30/dog plus labor cost from trained staff. Add in deworming, heartworm check, flea control. You're telling me you know how to do all that for under $20 per dog?

not trying to argue - just trying to understand how you make it work financially

[mikefry]

@drafthorseMD But costs for horses are always at least double for dogs and cats. So, suggesting you are talking about costs for dogs and cats and then quoting equine numbers is misleading, bait and switch at best. I do not know where you buy your dog/cat vaccines, but here is what we pay for our canine vaccines, DA2PPv + CV = $5, Rabies $1.65. On top of that, we add bordetella for $3.89 each. Actual, average cost per dog (because not all of them even need to be vaccinated) is under $11.

[drafthorseMD]

@mikefry We can't buy rabies in my state - a vet must buy & administer it. Even the cheap vet charges $12 for dogs/cats. Your price probably isn't including shipping, either? I'm just frustrated that by the time we add in chill pack + overnight shipping, the cost per vaccine goes way up. It's awesome you can do each dog for $11. But for other parts of the country, the cost per animal isn't as affordable. Thanks for explaining your financials!

[mikefry]

@drafthorseMD Our price does include shipping. However, when you buy efficiently, and ship a number of packs of vaccines together, the shipping cost is minimal. Our shelter is in a rural part of Minnesota. Even if our costs were doubled, it would still be around $20 per. That does not change the fact that if you wanted to provide a $4,000 surgery for a dog you could, even if it was not "budgeted". People will step up to pay for those things, in my experience, even more than $4k.

[mikefry]

@drafthorseMD I never said that I could fully vet a dog for $20. I said that I could cover their vaccinations for less than $20. That is true. You tried to suggest it would cost $65 per, which is crazy.

You also tried to add Parvo vaccinations to your costs, which are unnecessary if you are using DA2PPv, because one of the P's in "DA2PPv" IS Parvo.

I have simply been trying to address the numbers you have been posting, which, simply do not add up, even in your hypothetical world.

[Olivia2Oscar]

Watching this after Oreo's law did NOT pass, so thumbs down on Best Friends, which I used to endorse whole-heartedly, as did you.

Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention through your easy-to-understand primer. I've just re-read Redemption and am ordering Nathan's second book next week. Love those beautiful faces of dogs and cats whose lives you saved. That was hard to listen to the ex-euthanasia vet, but I'm glad she had the courage to share her grisly story.

[phreephallin]

I tell people about Winograd's philosophy all of the time, but I'm usually met with blank stares or disbelief! Reno, NV has made this work, but when I tell people about the great strides they have made there, they usually accuse the Reno shelter of 'cooking the books'.

[1clarels]

it is being circulated on facebook.....thank you

[1grandmajoyce]

Thank you for all you do to help these dear animals : )

[Kaleban]

Very inspiring video, a little campy, but good! ;) Its one of my life's dreams to buy a ranch in Montana and foster a whole bunch of animals, and videos like this make me want to work even harder towards that goal.

Its a coincidence, but earlier today I applied to a border collie rescue in Vero Beach, FL, hopefully soon my ridgeback Loki will have a little brother. Again, good work on the video!

[riverrun88]

Thank you for having this available. I am currently a volunteer at a county shelter that is striving for no-kill. Having this information is invaluable. I want to become more involved in helping our shelter in reaching this goal. I appreciate the links to more information. Keep spreading the word!!!

[mikefry]

DrDiddle, thanks for your kind words about "Strayed". Please share it far and wide!

luna6killer: Yup. So far not a lot of comments here. Most of the viewing action, according to YouTube Insight has been via embedded players on other web sites. I know it has certainly generated some discussion elsewhere. Glad you liked it!

[luna6killer]

Am I correct in seeing that this video has been on youtube for 2 yrs and there is ony 5 comments? This is the first time I've seen it but it a very powerful video - I work with a rescue org and fight this battle every day - let's hope that more people find it, believe it and learn to LIVE these ideas!!

[DrDiddle]

Love this video - I'm going to pirate it and post it on my website and facebook page. Just wonderful! Should be required viewing for every shelter person in this country. 5 stars for you, Mike and Beth!

[humanesocietysteve]

STRAYED...There are two things you must have done to say you are part of the no kill movement. Read the book REDEMPTION and watch the video STRAYED. After you have done these two things you are armed to enter the no kill battle and help achieve victory for the 5M. dogs and cats that are killed in American shelters every year...Steven Phipps...Blount County Humane Society, Tennessee.

[bladerubber]

thank God for people like this

[kathyk214]

Excellent video...about time the truth comes out. I hope many people learn from it. It has inspired me!

[ponyjoni]

Wonderful! Great Video - well done! Hope many, many people in the US watch it!