We will not find justice at the hands of corrupt judges. (See YouTube videos) Judicial Benefits & Court Corruption Update / Evil Triangle of Court Corruption / Richard fine / Dr Shirley Moore slush funds /SBX 211. To end this title wave of corruption in our country must start with the corrupt judges. We can not bring evidence of corruption to corrupt judges. Los Angeles Superior Court judges are illegally and unconstitutionally taking 50,000.00 each for a total of 23 million per year.
We can never find justice at the hands of corrupt judges. (See youtube videos) Judge To Judge On Illegal_Payments To Judges---Evil Triangle of Court Corruption---Richard Fine---Dr shirley Moore---SBX 211. Now is the time to be heard. The fight to end this title wave of corruption in our country must start with the corrupt judges. Show your support now or wait untill your fate is at the hands of corrupt judges.
@ProudMomEden You're a mental retard, probably a drug addict like most homosexuals and liberals, no wonder you can not think right and only like insulting people, get an education.
Marriages licenses are issued by the state, not by churches. Church weddings are purely ceremonial. A marriage doesn't have to have the approval of church authorities in order to be considered legal OR sacred. State policies are not binding on church teachings, and vice versa.
@luvdomus "A marriage doesn't have to have the approval of church authorities in order to be considered legal OR sacred"
-A marriage can only be done by a church that is recognized by the Anglican Communion or a church recognized by the Roman Catholic Church, anything other than that is not a marriage.
Gays have a fair chance and fair rights, it's called a civil union, equality is equality when two parties are equal, heterosexuals, and LBGT's are not equal, they are different in everyway, how can these morons compare the two.
I assume you have some sort of proof that homosexual human beings are not on par with heterosexual human beings. If not, I suggest you find some before going around calling people "morons". And last time I checked, homosexuals weren't "targeting" anybody. Please quit confusing facts with your own bigoted opinions.
@thetruth6789 *New flash* Gays are already in couples doing the exact same thing heterosexuals couples are doing. All they lack is the paperwork to go with it. You know what physically changes after homosexual marriage goes through? Nothing.
@thetruth6789 Obviously, but as outlined in Judge Walker's decision, procreation has never been considered by the govt when issuing a marriage liscense. Would you reject a sterile heterosexual couple a marriage because they cannot biologically achieve what fertile couples can?
@Raptor302 Even when a couple is infertile there is still a possibility of having a child, and that very possibility is what gave rise to the institution of marriage, but when you are talking about gay marriage, procreation is biologically impossible.
@thetruth6789 We don't give marriage liscenses with the requirement to have kids. Your argument is a paper tiger. Already been proven that family values cease to exist? Tell the people of Iowa and Massachusetts then. They're doing fine. Take your fear mongering somewhere else.
Perhaps you should have read the judges explanations: Moral objections alone cannot be used as justification for legislation. Period.
@thetruth6789 "The government does not issue marriage licenses, churches do"
Incorrect. If that was the case then this would be a none-issue. The govt's definition of marriage is the only one that counts for tax and census purposes, the church has made itself obsolete.
@Raptor302 "Incorrect. If that was the case then this would be a none-issue"
-This is only an issue because gays and lesbians want to be included into marriage by force, and the government is being unconstitutional by not allowing religious freedom to followers of The Anglican Communion and The Roman Catholic Church.
@Raptor302 "The govt's definition of marriage is the only one that counts for tax and census purposes, the church has made itself obsolete"
-The government does not have a definition of marriage, it does not govern the institution of marriage The Anglican Communion and The Roman Catholic Church do, what is so hard to understand about that simple fact?.
@thetruth6789 "Marriage does not grant you any rights or benefits or tax breaks, only civil unions do. The federal government governs civil unions not marriages."
You need to check your facts man, or change your name to thelies6789. Marriage gets you way more rights and priveledges than civil unions. None of those liscenses are granted by the churches, all governed by the states. It would be breaking the 1st amendment to do otherwise.
@Raptor302 "Perhaps you should have read the judges explanations: Moral objections alone cannot be used as justification for legislation"
-Of course a gay judge would say that. I bet you also didn't know Judge Walker was gay making his decision on prop 8 biased obviously, first because he voted against the majority of the California votes that were in favor of prop 8 and second because he is gay.
@thetruth6789 I knew he was gay, but that has no bearing on the case. Even a straight judge would have had to have thrown out the embarrasing case the prop 8 defenders made. When your source for heterosexual parents being better parents is "the internet" (no not a specific website, just the vague reference to the internet) you deserve to lose your case. None of their points was supportable, see ProfMTH's analysis: watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak&playnext=1&videos=au45QIqrB6I&feature=sub
@thetruth6789 Read the court transcripts yourself or watch videos that have. The Prop 8 supporters had no case. The judge practically had to strike it down, regardless of who he was. Sorry but "preserving traditional union, purposes, and marriage" is exactly what the judge called it: a tautology.
@Raptor302 The proposition 8 supporters had a very good case, these homosexual marriages that happened in 2008 are not marriages. And that Judge was obviously biased since he was gay himself.
@thetruth6789 Prop 8 supporters had a very, very poor case. They essentially argued that gay marriages would be "bad" for traditional families (child bearing or otherwise) and that they're personal values were enough justification to block gay marriage. For a more in depth analysis see here: watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak
We do not make laws based on personal moral or religious values, no matter how deep seeded they are. They're case was so bad, even a straigh judge would have ruled against it.
@Raptor302 " Prop 8 supporters had a very, very poor case. They essentially argued that gay marriages would be "bad" for traditional families (child bearing or otherwise) and that they're personal values were enough justification to block gay marriage"
-Gay marriage is bad for traditional families, it is also bad for the adopted children being raised by homosexuals, this is common sense, you don't need anyone to tell you that.
@Raptor302 Let me ask you one thing, can a gay or a lesbian breast feed a child? Can a gay guy teach a boy about girls? Can a lesbian couple teach a girl about boys?
@thetruth6789 Any woman can breast feed. See "wet nursing". You seem to be centering marriage around child rearing, in which case that has no bearing on marriage. The govt has never considered the intentions of a couple to raise children when issuing a marriage liscense. Ever.
@thetruth6789 Well looks like your up for a host of wrongs today. Too bad your personal beliefs don't dictate law. It is perfectly legal to wet nurse and it is perfectly legal in nine states for gays to marry.
@Raptor302 Homosexual couples are two times more likely to be poor, children adopted into homosexual couples will not get the love and attention that a mother or a father can give them. Children adopted into homosexual couples also most of the time will be raised without health insurance.
@thetruth6789 "Homosexual couples are two times more likely to be poor"
Not hard to imagine why with homophobic employers. Landing a job is hard as it is. So even if this is true, how exactly is someone being poor disqualifying of marriage? Should all poor people be barred from marrying and raising children without health insurance?
@Raptor302 A poor family is not suitable to take care of a child, it's simple, why are you even asking this? Is it hard for you to put two and two together? Do I have to explain everything to you?
@thetruth6789 "A poor family is not suitable to take care of a child, it's simple, why are you even asking this?"
If you really believe that then poor straights should not be allowed to marry. Connect your own dots, or do I have to explain everything to you? You see, you didn't care about the poor, you just brought it up in a bogus attempt to try to connect it to homosexuality somehow. Economic status has never been considered when issuing a marriage license either. Stop being dishonest.
@thetruth6789 So because two people don't have enough money you would take away their rights to get married? They don't have money, but at least they have each other sort of deal? Wow. I really don't know what to say to that type of ignorance.
The irony being that you used that as an argument to try and block homosexuals (out of ignorance). But under your own rule saying "no poor people can marry", wealthy gays like Tim Gunn could marry, but poor straights could not XD
Yeah that tends to happen when you come back to a conversation that you left 2 months ago and don't bother to read the context of the conversation up to that point. In trying to rationalize the claim that gays should not marry you also made the claim that poor people should not marry because sex was about reproduction and what was best for the child. Remember?
@Raptor302 The reason homosexual couples earn less than homosexual couples is because homosexuals are usually not into working hard, they complain a lot, it has nothing to do with employers.
Argument from anecdote fallacy. You're saying that gay people are lazy? Can you bring some facts to the table, or are you just going to waste my time with your uneducated opinions? Where's your source for any of the assertions you've made thus far?
@thetruth6789 Hey, folks, "thetruth6789" is a troll who doesn't rally believe any of the nonsense he writes. Don't let him rile you up or trick you into responding to one of his jokey little posts-- he isn't serious.
@thetruth6789 Alan Keyes says there's no scientiic research inidcative of homosexuality being natural because its genetic? There's no gene for left handidness, but that doesnt mean its a choice. Something doesnt have to be genetic to be a naturally occuring phenomena. And he's wrong about science, psychologists agree that homosexuality is a "state of being" and should not be changed. Furthermore, experiments with twins show that the probabilityis too low for chance: watch?v=yVliyerlQHE
@Raptor302 "Alan Keyes says there's no scientiic research inidcative of homosexuality being natural because its genetic? There's no gene for left handidness, but that doesnt mean its a choice"
-There is a gene for being left handed, what are you talking about.
@Raptor302 Homosexuality is a choice that children who are raised by a single mother or to a mother who wanted a female child will go through. First because the single mother will only teach the male child how to be feminine and will not have a male figure in his life. And as for the mother who wanted a female child, she will raise the male child as a female and in turn the boy will eventually start liking men and become homosexual.
@thetruth6789 Um, no, that stays the same too. I'm talking about what do you think is going to happen when gays get the right to marry? Firey comets come out of the sky and kill everyone?
@Raptor302 It has already been proven what happens when gays recieve marital status, homosexuality and lesbianism is going to be taught in your schools and sometimes even encouraged. Also, family values will cease to exist.
@thetruth6789 "homosexuality and lesbianism is going to be taught in your schools and sometimes even encouraged. Also, family values will cease to exist."
LOL, how exactly do you 'teach' homosexuality in a school? You mean by acknowledging that gay people exist! :0
In all of the states that have already legalized gay marriage, such as Massachusetts, family values are alive and well. Take your fear mongering elsewhere.
Vote yes on prop 8. This is the worst points I have ever heard for the defense of same sex marriage, also this is very insulting to hetero males, who always seem to be the target of homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers.
@jf1gd2 I'm sorry about your ignorance, but there is currently no law that prevents men from sodomy. These gays just want to get married, but they already have plenty of gay sex. Thus we have the Musical RENT. Go to school.
It's too bad prop. 8 won. :'-( Stupid churches. What god doesn't support equality? I don't care wat the bible says honestly. I'd rather listen to my heart than an old book. And in my heart, god supports gay marriage. :-)
Well then why did countries like the USSR, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, all of which banned religion and demolished churches, also put bans on homosexuality period? And nobody cares what your heart says. The heart is not a moral or logic compass.
@GrandMasterFreshMpls "I'm not exactly sure what I believe, but I do support civil unions. Marriage is just a term people want to keep sacred"
-I am also for civil unions, same sex couples still have the same rights as a heterosexual couple, why do they want to get married?. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman for thousands of years, you can't change this to appease to homosexuals and lesbians.
@ILovePinkDaSinger22 Prop 8 hasn't won you imbecile, do you know how our federal system works? Of course not anyone moronic enough to be against prop 8 has to also be incredibly ignorant about the way our federal system works.
@jf1gd2 about your comment stating " i support giving every dude a fair chance at jackhammering another dude in the butt!" There's a hole there for a reason why not use it for extracurricular activities XD
@NicoleHeckYes You don't need to support gay marriage to uphold the right to do the jackhammering thing. There is nothing illegal about that currently.
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listen wierdo ( LOL ) go suck a cock and ect ect but leave our marriage alone. Marriage is only between a man and a women. you sick wierdo faggot bastard.
i just wanna say, i love how the religious right, and conservatives in general, have been decrying "liberal hollywood" for 20 years or more, and all of a sudden cali is the last bastion of morality. maybe you guys are just bitter that you lost Iowa, middle america if there ever was such a thing, to that nasty "liberal" equality
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listen you wierdo marriage is between men and woman not faggots and dikes, so piss off fag you outta hang your shame. God never said that faggots are OK. I bet he it discusses him to see to men poking each other in the ass pulling shit out of each others butt holes yet sucking the shit out of there dicks
NOW THAT IS SICK you pathetic wierdos outta be killed
You are by far, the best example of the word "Stupidity." Re-read what you just wrote and you should realize how stupid your reasoning is. The only evidence that you have to support your statement is "because God said so." Just because America was built on Christianity (or so some say) doesn't mean the people in that country are Christian. Stop being so ignorant and go back to high school. Hopefully they'll be able to fix that disgusting potty mouth of yours.
People in California should be ashamed of themselves for prop 8. You should just be ashamed that you never finished high school and is now living in your parents basement calling people "fags" on youtube all day. What a sad life you have.
Ahahahahaha you wierdo, you know most americans live with their parents ever since the house market hit. So either you live with your parents of your cauch surfing, and believe me it's better to be with your parents than to be a cauch surfer cuz remember the dead and the smoocher stink on the 3th day.
PS. I don't live with my parents but I do share my house with them, and I don't have any problem unlike you fags.
Actually the glbt community does NOT have the same rights as straight couples.
Marriage was not a christian label. It was a state contract to bind two peoples under law, which churches intertwined religion into, which is fine. The bible doesen't even mention the word marriage, and if someone believes two men shouldn't be married because of religious aspects, they should be thrown in jail, by the statndards of the law, as there is supposed to be a legalized seperation between church and state.
Churches opposed to same-sex marriage would not have been forced to perform such marriages in the absence of Prop 8 any more than orthodox synagogues are presently forced to perform marriages for Jews who intermarry. Moreover, it is rather disingenuous to argue that the only way to prevent an organisation from being forced to marry a couple is to make it illegal for that couple to be married at all.
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Funny they try to make the fag look cool and the MAN to look like an idiot. The fag guy knows what she meant by go play with yourself LOL but the MAN didn't know cuz he's a MAN he plays with women not with himself like the gay guy.
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From the CA state constitution:
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"CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."
Bottom line: This was a DISHONEST video. Prop. 8 was in accord w/the CA constitution already and judges should have just abided by Section 7.5 of Article 1 as they are to UPHOLD THE LAW and NOTHING ELSE.
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The media is so biased. Notice how the "yes" guy is older and unattractive, whereas the "no" guy is young and hot...well THAT'S not subliminal at all.
If you notice, young people are the ones who voted No on prop 8, while older people voted yes. This video is more truthful than biased. In 4 years, we will have a whole new generation of voters who are for gay marriage. It's just a matter of time before it's enevitably passed, as we only losed by what, 3%? Go ask any high school kid what they think, and 95% will tell you that they think gay people should be able to wed just the same as straight. I would know, I just turned 17 myself.
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"Young people voted No" ?
Excuse me pal, I'm sixteen, and I support Yes on 8.
I really hope that "this new generation" won't become what you say it will. If so, I'm moving to Canada! Scratch that, they have crappy policies there too...
I am 17 and I supported NO on 8. I am the only gay person I know[lol] and everyone I know wanted NO on 8. Go ahead and move to Canada, or better yet, Mexico. Anyway, 2nd to last time this was voted on, 8 years ago I believe it was, it was like 60-40, now it's 52-48. Statistics show. You can want something, doesn't mean it'll go in your favor, or mine either for that matter, but this my dead seems to be. "Drama Queen" is right. *sigh*
Everyone that has a right, voted and the majority was YES! To bad, keep trying and And She's (Hater) the California Constitution (Liberal) is just another con!
"EQUALITY FOR ALL?" Great, fine, make it legal for people to marry whoever they want. Let relatives marry one another. Let polygamist marry as many people as they want.
You can't make a legal execption for one group of people and deny it to others.
That is DISCRIMINATION. That is HATE.
DON'T DISCRIMINATE!
A law that would extend the PRIVELEGE of only letting Gays and Lesbians marry DISCRIMINATES against other people. Those who say is would not are either ignorant or HYPOCRITICAL.
I seriously think one day my generation and the older and younger ones will look back at this day and think "What the hell was wrong with people?" Just like we do now during the segregated and slavery periods.
Prohibiting gay marriage won't last long. It'll just be a ridiculous memory of the past.
I was one of the lucky few who donated money to pass PROP 8. I felt as though GOD wanted me to support the peopel who helped pass PROP 8. I feel like a crusader who saved marriage from the unwashed and ungodly heathens.
Even if... which I don't because I'm not exceedingly stupid... but even if I thought that having gay sex was as STRANGE as having sex with animals or children, there is still the issue of two people who are adults consenting to the relationship. That's the point, and I've said as much before. Please attempt to point out anything hypocritical. You're just a sad loser who sees something they don't understand and is too intolerant to let it happen, even if it's harmless. How moronic.
homosexuality has been around since the beginning of civilization. it was accepted back then. why not now? back in the day it was abnormal for a white person to marry a black person. but now its accepted. just because its abnormal to you doesnt mean its abnormal to everyone. i already know what kind of person you are by reading your comments.
Are you retarded or something? Geez. You don't have a point. Consenual sex between adults is nothing like sex with a minor or an animal, neither of which can give consent. Also, the complexities of marriage law (i.e. inheritance and land rights) do not lend themselves easily to polygamy. Idiot. They mean that you give everyone a fair shot that doesn't hurt anybody. Duh. What are you like 12?
Love love this, hilarious..,
Calisky13 7 months ago
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danielcooper1000 1 year ago
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danielcooper1000 1 year ago
That is thetruth6789...
ProudMomEden 1 year ago
The truthwhatever gets the "ignorant douche" award.
ProudMomEden 1 year ago
@ProudMomEden You're a mental retard, probably a drug addict like most homosexuals and liberals, no wonder you can not think right and only like insulting people, get an education.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
Marriages licenses are issued by the state, not by churches. Church weddings are purely ceremonial. A marriage doesn't have to have the approval of church authorities in order to be considered legal OR sacred. State policies are not binding on church teachings, and vice versa.
luvdomus 1 year ago
@luvdomus "Marriages licenses are issued by the state, not by churches"
-Marriage licenses are issued by churches what world do you live in?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@luvdomus "Church weddings are purely ceremonial"
-Explain why there is a marriage registry at churches then?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@luvdomus "State policies are not binding on church teachings, and vice versa"
-Ok then why are states forcing churches to marry homosexuals?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@luvdomus "A marriage doesn't have to have the approval of church authorities in order to be considered legal OR sacred"
-A marriage can only be done by a church that is recognized by the Anglican Communion or a church recognized by the Roman Catholic Church, anything other than that is not a marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 hmm........ by your logic, i was born out of wedlock
KrabsMoon 1 year ago
@KrabsMoon It is not my logic, it is law. A civil union is not the same as a marriage.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
Gays have a fair chance and fair rights, it's called a civil union, equality is equality when two parties are equal, heterosexuals, and LBGT's are not equal, they are different in everyway, how can these morons compare the two.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789
I assume you have some sort of proof that homosexual human beings are not on par with heterosexual human beings. If not, I suggest you find some before going around calling people "morons". And last time I checked, homosexuals weren't "targeting" anybody. Please quit confusing facts with your own bigoted opinions.
LittleKropotkin 1 year ago
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@LittleKropotkin Again you assume things that I never said.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@LittleKropotkin Homosexuals are targeting heterosexuals, they want to destroy one of heterosexualities most ancient and sacred institutions.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 *New flash* Gays are already in couples doing the exact same thing heterosexuals couples are doing. All they lack is the paperwork to go with it. You know what physically changes after homosexual marriage goes through? Nothing.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Homosexuals aren't doing the same thing heterosexuals are, that's anatomically and biologically impossible.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Obviously, but as outlined in Judge Walker's decision, procreation has never been considered by the govt when issuing a marriage liscense. Would you reject a sterile heterosexual couple a marriage because they cannot biologically achieve what fertile couples can?
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 The very reason marriage was created was to regulate the laws of procreation.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Even when a couple is infertile there is still a possibility of having a child, and that very possibility is what gave rise to the institution of marriage, but when you are talking about gay marriage, procreation is biologically impossible.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 We don't give marriage liscenses with the requirement to have kids. Your argument is a paper tiger. Already been proven that family values cease to exist? Tell the people of Iowa and Massachusetts then. They're doing fine. Take your fear mongering somewhere else.
Perhaps you should have read the judges explanations: Moral objections alone cannot be used as justification for legislation. Period.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 The government does not issue marriage licenses, churches do.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "The government does not issue marriage licenses, churches do"
Incorrect. If that was the case then this would be a none-issue. The govt's definition of marriage is the only one that counts for tax and census purposes, the church has made itself obsolete.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 "Incorrect. If that was the case then this would be a none-issue"
-This is only an issue because gays and lesbians want to be included into marriage by force, and the government is being unconstitutional by not allowing religious freedom to followers of The Anglican Communion and The Roman Catholic Church.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@Raptor302 "The govt's definition of marriage is the only one that counts for tax and census purposes, the church has made itself obsolete"
-The government does not have a definition of marriage, it does not govern the institution of marriage The Anglican Communion and The Roman Catholic Church do, what is so hard to understand about that simple fact?.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 The federal government governs civil unions not marriages.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Marriage does not grant you any rights or benefits or tax breaks, only civil unions do.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 "Marriage does not grant you any rights or benefits or tax breaks, only civil unions do. The federal government governs civil unions not marriages."
You need to check your facts man, or change your name to thelies6789. Marriage gets you way more rights and priveledges than civil unions. None of those liscenses are granted by the churches, all governed by the states. It would be breaking the 1st amendment to do otherwise.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 "Perhaps you should have read the judges explanations: Moral objections alone cannot be used as justification for legislation"
-Of course a gay judge would say that. I bet you also didn't know Judge Walker was gay making his decision on prop 8 biased obviously, first because he voted against the majority of the California votes that were in favor of prop 8 and second because he is gay.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 I knew he was gay, but that has no bearing on the case. Even a straight judge would have had to have thrown out the embarrasing case the prop 8 defenders made. When your source for heterosexual parents being better parents is "the internet" (no not a specific website, just the vague reference to the internet) you deserve to lose your case. None of their points was supportable, see ProfMTH's analysis: watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak&playnext=1&videos=au45QIqrB6I&feature=sub
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 " I knew he was gay, but that has no bearing on the case"
-Of course it has a bearing on the case, are you so ignorant to think that it doesn't come on get real.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Read the court transcripts yourself or watch videos that have. The Prop 8 supporters had no case. The judge practically had to strike it down, regardless of who he was. Sorry but "preserving traditional union, purposes, and marriage" is exactly what the judge called it: a tautology.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 The proposition 8 supporters had a very good case, these homosexual marriages that happened in 2008 are not marriages. And that Judge was obviously biased since he was gay himself.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Prop 8 supporters had a very, very poor case. They essentially argued that gay marriages would be "bad" for traditional families (child bearing or otherwise) and that they're personal values were enough justification to block gay marriage. For a more in depth analysis see here: watch?v=bV3fkpR74Ak
We do not make laws based on personal moral or religious values, no matter how deep seeded they are. They're case was so bad, even a straigh judge would have ruled against it.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Marriage is not a issue government can make a decision on, it is out of their jurisdiction.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 A straight Judge would never rule for homosexual marriage, that is insane.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 " Prop 8 supporters had a very, very poor case. They essentially argued that gay marriages would be "bad" for traditional families (child bearing or otherwise) and that they're personal values were enough justification to block gay marriage"
-Gay marriage is bad for traditional families, it is also bad for the adopted children being raised by homosexuals, this is common sense, you don't need anyone to tell you that.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 No it's not common sense. It's nonsense. How is your "traditional" family being hurt by someone else getting married?
Raptor302 1 year ago
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@Raptor302 "No it's not common sense. It's nonsense. How is your "traditional" family being hurt by someone else getting married"
-It not only goes against it by changing the definition of marriage but it goes against family values.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Let me ask you one thing, can a gay or a lesbian breast feed a child? Can a gay guy teach a boy about girls? Can a lesbian couple teach a girl about boys?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Any woman can breast feed. See "wet nursing". You seem to be centering marriage around child rearing, in which case that has no bearing on marriage. The govt has never considered the intentions of a couple to raise children when issuing a marriage liscense. Ever.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Do you know how wrong "wet nursing" is? You're for women letting another woman give her child her breast milk?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Well looks like your up for a host of wrongs today. Too bad your personal beliefs don't dictate law. It is perfectly legal to wet nurse and it is perfectly legal in nine states for gays to marry.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Of course my personal beliefs don't dictate law, who said they did.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Homosexual couples are two times more likely to be poor, children adopted into homosexual couples will not get the love and attention that a mother or a father can give them. Children adopted into homosexual couples also most of the time will be raised without health insurance.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "Homosexual couples are two times more likely to be poor"
Not hard to imagine why with homophobic employers. Landing a job is hard as it is. So even if this is true, how exactly is someone being poor disqualifying of marriage? Should all poor people be barred from marrying and raising children without health insurance?
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 A poor family is not suitable to take care of a child, it's simple, why are you even asking this? Is it hard for you to put two and two together? Do I have to explain everything to you?
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "A poor family is not suitable to take care of a child, it's simple, why are you even asking this?"
If you really believe that then poor straights should not be allowed to marry. Connect your own dots, or do I have to explain everything to you? You see, you didn't care about the poor, you just brought it up in a bogus attempt to try to connect it to homosexuality somehow. Economic status has never been considered when issuing a marriage license either. Stop being dishonest.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Poor straight people should not have children, just like poor homosexuals, it is bad for the child.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 So because two people don't have enough money you would take away their rights to get married? They don't have money, but at least they have each other sort of deal? Wow. I really don't know what to say to that type of ignorance.
The irony being that you used that as an argument to try and block homosexuals (out of ignorance). But under your own rule saying "no poor people can marry", wealthy gays like Tim Gunn could marry, but poor straights could not XD
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 " So because two people don't have enough money you would take away their rights to get married"
-You make no sense.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "You make no sense."
Yeah that tends to happen when you come back to a conversation that you left 2 months ago and don't bother to read the context of the conversation up to that point. In trying to rationalize the claim that gays should not marry you also made the claim that poor people should not marry because sex was about reproduction and what was best for the child. Remember?
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 The reason homosexual couples earn less than homosexual couples is because homosexuals are usually not into working hard, they complain a lot, it has nothing to do with employers.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "it has nothing to do with employers"
Argument from anecdote fallacy. You're saying that gay people are lazy? Can you bring some facts to the table, or are you just going to waste my time with your uneducated opinions? Where's your source for any of the assertions you've made thus far?
Raptor302 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Hey, folks, "thetruth6789" is a troll who doesn't rally believe any of the nonsense he writes. Don't let him rile you up or trick you into responding to one of his jokey little posts-- he isn't serious.
luvdomus 1 year ago
@luvdomus Hahaha you're a angry troll, who can't spell.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Alan Keyes said it best, please look him up and see what he thinks of gay marriage it will open your eyes.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Alan Keyes says there's no scientiic research inidcative of homosexuality being natural because its genetic? There's no gene for left handidness, but that doesnt mean its a choice. Something doesnt have to be genetic to be a naturally occuring phenomena. And he's wrong about science, psychologists agree that homosexuality is a "state of being" and should not be changed. Furthermore, experiments with twins show that the probabilityis too low for chance: watch?v=yVliyerlQHE
Raptor302 1 year ago
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@Raptor302 "Alan Keyes says there's no scientiic research inidcative of homosexuality being natural because its genetic? There's no gene for left handidness, but that doesnt mean its a choice"
-There is a gene for being left handed, what are you talking about.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 Homosexuality is a choice that children who are raised by a single mother or to a mother who wanted a female child will go through. First because the single mother will only teach the male child how to be feminine and will not have a male figure in his life. And as for the mother who wanted a female child, she will raise the male child as a female and in turn the boy will eventually start liking men and become homosexual.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 "These male children were not born gay they were influenced by their mothers and sometimes even the media."
Or so you speculate. It really doesn't matter how they become gay, your moral objections are not sufficient cause for legislation.
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 These male children were not born gay they were influenced by their mothers and sometimes even the media.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@Raptor302 " You know what physically changes after homosexual marriage goes through? Nothing"
-A lot of things change, such as not being able to procreate and not being able to have heterosexual sex.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@thetruth6789 Um, no, that stays the same too. I'm talking about what do you think is going to happen when gays get the right to marry? Firey comets come out of the sky and kill everyone?
Raptor302 1 year ago
@Raptor302 It has already been proven what happens when gays recieve marital status, homosexuality and lesbianism is going to be taught in your schools and sometimes even encouraged. Also, family values will cease to exist.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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@thetruth6789 "homosexuality and lesbianism is going to be taught in your schools and sometimes even encouraged. Also, family values will cease to exist."
LOL, how exactly do you 'teach' homosexuality in a school? You mean by acknowledging that gay people exist! :0
In all of the states that have already legalized gay marriage, such as Massachusetts, family values are alive and well. Take your fear mongering elsewhere.
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thetruth6789 1 year ago
Vote yes on prop 8. This is the worst points I have ever heard for the defense of same sex marriage, also this is very insulting to hetero males, who always seem to be the target of homosexuals and homosexual sympathizers.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
haha this is awsome. lolz
thenewkeg10609 1 year ago
Liberals
BrownDogProductions1 1 year ago
@BrownDogProductions1 Christian Liberals.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 1 year ago
now remember kida
the second M in mormon is silent
i really hate that all there damn lobbying got it past
they paid over 20mill to get there bigot views into the constitution of California
lupinewarrior 2 years ago 6
bigot views > faggot views
jf1gd2 2 years ago
@jf1gd2 How about
Informed views > bigot and faggot views
GrandMasterFreshMpls 1 year ago
@GrandMasterFreshMpl i wanna protect the right of men to drill other mens assholes, yeah!!!!
jf1gd2 1 year ago
@jf1gd2 I'm sorry about your ignorance, but there is currently no law that prevents men from sodomy. These gays just want to get married, but they already have plenty of gay sex. Thus we have the Musical RENT. Go to school.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 1 year ago
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wow this was the Biggest lie I have seen since Prop 8 made Cali. better!!!!
foreerknight99 2 years ago
It's too bad prop. 8 won. :'-( Stupid churches. What god doesn't support equality? I don't care wat the bible says honestly. I'd rather listen to my heart than an old book. And in my heart, god supports gay marriage. :-)
ILovePinkDaSinger22 2 years ago 30
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Well then why did countries like the USSR, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, all of which banned religion and demolished churches, also put bans on homosexuality period? And nobody cares what your heart says. The heart is not a moral or logic compass.
detachment345 2 years ago
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Well then why did countries like the USSR, China, North Korea, [...] also put bans on homosexuality period?
Are those really the countries whose policies you want America to follow?
And nobody cares what your heart says. The heart is not a moral or logic compass.
While I agree with the heart not necessarily being logical, where do our moral compasses reside if not in our hearts?
jfp1399 2 years ago
@ILovePinkDaSinger22 I'm not exactly sure what I believe, but I do support civil unions. Marriage is just a term people want to keep sacred.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 1 year ago
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@GrandMasterFreshMpls "I'm not exactly sure what I believe, but I do support civil unions. Marriage is just a term people want to keep sacred"
-I am also for civil unions, same sex couples still have the same rights as a heterosexual couple, why do they want to get married?. Marriage has always been between a man and a woman for thousands of years, you can't change this to appease to homosexuals and lesbians.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
@ILovePinkDaSinger22 didn't they cancel it or something? i dnt live in california so idk what's up there.. lolz
thenewkeg10609 1 year ago
@ILovePinkDaSinger22 Prop 8 hasn't won you imbecile, do you know how our federal system works? Of course not anyone moronic enough to be against prop 8 has to also be incredibly ignorant about the way our federal system works.
thetruth6789 1 year ago
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"i'm on facebook!" lol
claythepoet 2 years ago
i support giving every dude a fair chance at jackhammering another dude in the butt!
i support giving every girl a fair chance at cropping their hair and looking like a man.
i support giving everyone a fair chance at doing unnatural and disgusting shit.
jf1gd2 2 years ago
sounds like you have a dick up your ass..
its okay, you can come out of the closet now.... no need to hide it anymore..
cocksucker...
braveheart1779 2 years ago
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what a way to respect the queers you love by saying what you are
go live out ur fantasies with ur boyfriend
jf1gd2 2 years ago
I thought thats what you were doing already.... I have more respect for queers than for some whiny little bitch like you.
braveheart1779 2 years ago 2
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probably cause u are one. no way a straight guy could get this mad over what i said.
jf1gd2 2 years ago
HAAAA!!! HAA!!! who said Im mad ???
youre just so gullible, youre fun to piss off.
braveheart1779 2 years ago
nah ure just a queer and wont admit it
jf1gd2 2 years ago
HAAAA HAA!!! you dont even know how to spell.... your'e just an idiot who wont admit it.
braveheart1779 2 years ago
cause i didnt wanna type out the word youre? wow youre dumb. there u happy? or should i say you?
at least youre honest enough to not deny that youre a queer.
jf1gd2 2 years ago
Dumb??? HAAA!!! LOL... or maybe because you dont know how.
at least you're honest enough to not deny you're a moron..
keep em coming.. You are just too gullible.. You must like me, seeing that you keep responding.
braveheart1779 2 years ago
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wow you really are a queer. no wonder you feel so forced to defend this shit.
jf1gd2 2 years ago
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LOL!!!! defend it???HAA!!! HAA!!!
the fact that you watched this clip, tells most people what you support...
You are just to much fun.. and the fact you keep responding says something..
dont deny your feelings for me!!! HAAA HAAA!!!!
braveheart1779 2 years ago
your the reason i think abortion should be legal :/
(warning this may or may not be my view on abortion, the fact is, you're a huge screaming carbuncle on the ass of society and need to be excised)
lupinewarrior 2 years ago
i feel the same way towards you. if only i could tell if my kid was gonna develop into a fag like you from the getgo then id abort him asap.
jf1gd2 2 years ago
@jf1gd2 about your comment stating " i support giving every dude a fair chance at jackhammering another dude in the butt!" There's a hole there for a reason why not use it for extracurricular activities XD
I support GAY MARRIAGE!
NicoleHeckYes 1 year ago
@NicoleHeckYes You don't need to support gay marriage to uphold the right to do the jackhammering thing. There is nothing illegal about that currently.
GrandMasterFreshMpls 1 year ago
I totally expected that convo to go this way: (lol)
Fat guy- What's up? What are you into?
Constitution lady- Girls.
hah i really thought that's what they were gonna say!! lol
daccord1 2 years ago 5
I notice that only the NO on prop 8 guys allow comments on their videos. AWESOME!
Bobertmcgee42 2 years ago 2
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ryannen 2 years ago
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How can faggots poke each other shit out of there asses and yet suck their own shit.
Prop 8 passed just shows ppl that californina still has morality.
Zejawera 2 years ago
Que? I no speakey Ignorance.
ryannen 2 years ago 9
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Ahahahahaaaa lesbian four eyes
Zejawera 2 years ago
So...any girl who sucks, or has sex that way is a faggot?
Or does it just bother you that its another guy with a guy?
Its the same shizzle, homes. You just hate that its two guys.
And homosexuality in no way effects you. At all.
Take a lesson from Volatire. " i disapprove of what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it"
Apply it to your own life.
jasisweird777 2 years ago 20
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listen wierdo ( LOL ) go suck a cock and ect ect but leave our marriage alone. Marriage is only between a man and a women. you sick wierdo faggot bastard.
Zejawera 2 years ago
californina still has morality.
i just wanna say, i love how the religious right, and conservatives in general, have been decrying "liberal hollywood" for 20 years or more, and all of a sudden cali is the last bastion of morality. maybe you guys are just bitter that you lost Iowa, middle america if there ever was such a thing, to that nasty "liberal" equality
jfp1399 2 years ago
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listen you wierdo marriage is between men and woman not faggots and dikes, so piss off fag you outta hang your shame. God never said that faggots are OK. I bet he it discusses him to see to men poking each other in the ass pulling shit out of each others butt holes yet sucking the shit out of there dicks
NOW THAT IS SICK you pathetic wierdos outta be killed
Zejawera 2 years ago
you pathetic wierdos outta be killed
*yawn* that's nice, dear. don't forget to take your meds.
jfp1399 2 years ago
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Stick your meds up you faggot ass you wierdo!!!!
Zejawera 2 years ago
LOL
jfp1399 2 years ago
You are by far, the best example of the word "Stupidity." Re-read what you just wrote and you should realize how stupid your reasoning is. The only evidence that you have to support your statement is "because God said so." Just because America was built on Christianity (or so some say) doesn't mean the people in that country are Christian. Stop being so ignorant and go back to high school. Hopefully they'll be able to fix that disgusting potty mouth of yours.
pcd6music 2 years ago 2
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fuck yourself wierdo your comment was too long i didnt read it hahahahaha faggot loser
Zejawera 2 years ago
you're just as pathetic as a "faggoy loser."
FYI: the only ppl who actually use the term "faggot" are immature 15 year olds. If you are actually a 15 year old, it explains why you're so stupid.
pcd6music 2 years ago 3
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Hey wierdo what is ''faggoy'' cant you say faggot wright you fat faggot bastard ????
Thank god California still has morality.
Zejawera 2 years ago
People in California should be ashamed of themselves for prop 8. You should just be ashamed that you never finished high school and is now living in your parents basement calling people "fags" on youtube all day. What a sad life you have.
pcd6music 2 years ago 2
Ahahahahaha you wierdo, you know most americans live with their parents ever since the house market hit. So either you live with your parents of your cauch surfing, and believe me it's better to be with your parents than to be a cauch surfer cuz remember the dead and the smoocher stink on the 3th day.
PS. I don't live with my parents but I do share my house with them, and I don't have any problem unlike you fags.
Zejawera 2 years ago
Sharing a house with your parents MEANS YOU LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS.
PS. You do have a problem. It's called Ignorance and Stupidity. Try being intelligent for once.
pcd6music 2 years ago
No faggot cuz I pay the bills stupid !!!!!!!
Zejawera 2 years ago
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YES ON 8!
WatchTherefore 2 years ago
Awesome video.....
boony68 2 years ago
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Very Misleading Video..
A) Prop 8 was pushed after 4 SF Judges overturned the legislation that marriage can only be between 1 man and 1 woman.
B) The California Constitution was/is not perfect, most likely will never be. If it were perfect, everyone would be happy with it.
C) NOT all Prop 8 supporters are sleazy.
D) Gays/Lesbians have the SAME rights. Prop 8 protects churches from being forced to marry Gays/Lesbians.
E) Why would gays/lesbians want to be under a Christian Label anyway?
jillyspice 2 years ago
Actually the glbt community does NOT have the same rights as straight couples.
Marriage was not a christian label. It was a state contract to bind two peoples under law, which churches intertwined religion into, which is fine. The bible doesen't even mention the word marriage, and if someone believes two men shouldn't be married because of religious aspects, they should be thrown in jail, by the statndards of the law, as there is supposed to be a legalized seperation between church and state.
scramasboy 2 years ago 3
THANK YOU for saying that!
metaltwinke 2 years ago
Your welcome. It's nice being smart and a smart ass like me, mwahahahaha. jk xD :D
scramasboy 2 years ago
Churches opposed to same-sex marriage would not have been forced to perform such marriages in the absence of Prop 8 any more than orthodox synagogues are presently forced to perform marriages for Jews who intermarry. Moreover, it is rather disingenuous to argue that the only way to prevent an organisation from being forced to marry a couple is to make it illegal for that couple to be married at all.
JDB7484 2 years ago 7
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jillyspice 2 years ago
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Funny they try to make the fag look cool and the MAN to look like an idiot. The fag guy knows what she meant by go play with yourself LOL but the MAN didn't know cuz he's a MAN he plays with women not with himself like the gay guy.
I voted YES on 8. I'm cool.
Zejawera 2 years ago
No.....You are most definatly not cool.
You are a fundietard no better than a terrorist.
boony68 2 years ago
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From the CA state constitution:
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"CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."
Bottom line: This was a DISHONEST video. Prop. 8 was in accord w/the CA constitution already and judges should have just abided by Section 7.5 of Article 1 as they are to UPHOLD THE LAW and NOTHING ELSE.
Aegius 2 years ago
Stupid! Prop 8 IS Section 7.5
That section DID NOT EXIST BEFORE THE ELECTON!!!! That was the wole point
sdgaysd 2 years ago 8
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The media is so biased. Notice how the "yes" guy is older and unattractive, whereas the "no" guy is young and hot...well THAT'S not subliminal at all.
NadeneDramaQueen 2 years ago
its not suppose to be subliminal. Just symbolism.
Ontrii 2 years ago 5
If you notice, young people are the ones who voted No on prop 8, while older people voted yes. This video is more truthful than biased. In 4 years, we will have a whole new generation of voters who are for gay marriage. It's just a matter of time before it's enevitably passed, as we only losed by what, 3%? Go ask any high school kid what they think, and 95% will tell you that they think gay people should be able to wed just the same as straight. I would know, I just turned 17 myself.
scramasboy 2 years ago 8
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"Young people voted No" ?
Excuse me pal, I'm sixteen, and I support Yes on 8.
I really hope that "this new generation" won't become what you say it will. If so, I'm moving to Canada! Scratch that, they have crappy policies there too...
NadeneDramaQueen 2 years ago
I am 17 and I supported NO on 8. I am the only gay person I know[lol] and everyone I know wanted NO on 8. Go ahead and move to Canada, or better yet, Mexico. Anyway, 2nd to last time this was voted on, 8 years ago I believe it was, it was like 60-40, now it's 52-48. Statistics show. You can want something, doesn't mean it'll go in your favor, or mine either for that matter, but this my dead seems to be. "Drama Queen" is right. *sigh*
scramasboy 2 years ago 5
you're right! I'm 18 and i voted NO on 8!
metaltwinke 2 years ago 4
See! That's what I'm saying. If I was 18 [I'm still 17] I would have too. Polling shows that the acceptance of gay marriage is growing. :)
scramasboy 2 years ago 5
its a spoof off the mac commercials. do you know what the word "spoof" means?
writerchick94 2 years ago
Everyone that has a right, voted and the majority was YES! To bad, keep trying and And She's (Hater) the California Constitution (Liberal) is just another con!
iviemann 3 years ago
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"EQUALITY FOR ALL?" Great, fine, make it legal for people to marry whoever they want. Let relatives marry one another. Let polygamist marry as many people as they want.
You can't make a legal execption for one group of people and deny it to others.
That is DISCRIMINATION. That is HATE.
DON'T DISCRIMINATE!
A law that would extend the PRIVELEGE of only letting Gays and Lesbians marry DISCRIMINATES against other people. Those who say is would not are either ignorant or HYPOCRITICAL.
stanademas 3 years ago
Hate-criminal? That's a new one.
Being intolerant of gays has nothing to do with being intolerant of smart people, one of which you are obviously not.
sashahan 3 years ago
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no more homo marriage!!!
mikemike2222 3 years ago
no more douchebags on the internet!!!
tworadley 3 years ago 8
then you better log off
mikemike2222 3 years ago
you should fucking log off.
ianIPMian 2 years ago
Wow. I don't think there are words enough to show how much hatred I have for you at this moment.
sashahan 3 years ago
Geez she is HOT.
And I'm straight...
Michellekai79 3 years ago
a weak minded leftist sheep, lmao ur the one that needs god to help them in life, gtfo and realeize its just a fucking book,
iRnoCracker 3 years ago
man did i murder realize
iRnoCracker 3 years ago
I seriously think one day my generation and the older and younger ones will look back at this day and think "What the hell was wrong with people?" Just like we do now during the segregated and slavery periods.
Prohibiting gay marriage won't last long. It'll just be a ridiculous memory of the past.
arenaskies 3 years ago 8
I was one of the lucky few who donated money to pass PROP 8. I felt as though GOD wanted me to support the peopel who helped pass PROP 8. I feel like a crusader who saved marriage from the unwashed and ungodly heathens.
smithbrain 3 years ago
Even if... which I don't because I'm not exceedingly stupid... but even if I thought that having gay sex was as STRANGE as having sex with animals or children, there is still the issue of two people who are adults consenting to the relationship. That's the point, and I've said as much before. Please attempt to point out anything hypocritical. You're just a sad loser who sees something they don't understand and is too intolerant to let it happen, even if it's harmless. How moronic.
Pointingtothemoon 3 years ago 2
nice try.
thabooger 3 years ago
or a brainwashed conservatived fueled by fear and fox news. end of.
thabooger 3 years ago 3
homosexuality has been around since the beginning of civilization. it was accepted back then. why not now? back in the day it was abnormal for a white person to marry a black person. but now its accepted. just because its abnormal to you doesnt mean its abnormal to everyone. i already know what kind of person you are by reading your comments.
thabooger 3 years ago 2
maybe ur gay. deep down inside.
thabooger 3 years ago 2
Are you retarded or something? Geez. You don't have a point. Consenual sex between adults is nothing like sex with a minor or an animal, neither of which can give consent. Also, the complexities of marriage law (i.e. inheritance and land rights) do not lend themselves easily to polygamy. Idiot. They mean that you give everyone a fair shot that doesn't hurt anybody. Duh. What are you like 12?
Pointingtothemoon 3 years ago