I'm telling you, this thing works. The same results are repeated with and without the HHO. After 20000 miles i and not a skeptic. I urge everyone to built a cheap unit and try for yourself. This is the only way you will believe that it works. Don't pay for a pre built unit, make it yourself. At the end of the day we are trying to save money through increased miles. Once you see results then save for or make a good unit. Keep the other one in the car while you do this to so you can keep saving.
continued:> I was once like you and didn't believe it could possibly work. HHO looks bad on calculation and a waist of energy. For me it was a 50/50 chance of it working. In order to prove to myself that it was either a fuel saver or a waste of time/money, I built a unit myself for as cheap as i could and ran it in my RV. After blowing up the first container from hot connections, i tried again. I had instant results and have never looked back. My fuel economy jumped 8% then to 10-12%.
We have been traveling around the USA for six months in a 29ft RV. I have tested my MPG before HHO and consistently got 8.0mpg which is shocking but apparently normal for a Ford 7.2litre V8 engine. After I built a crude 16 plate HHO system and installed it. I immediately got 8.6mpg. I increased the amps until i was at maximum before meltdown or boiling. I now enjoy around 9.0MPG and have saved more than $1000 in fuel in 25000 miles. 10-15% savings is still better than none.
@Desertphile It so easy for you to say it doesn't work. There are plenty of other skeptics out there that clam it doesn't work on the basis of hearsay, you are obviously one of them. You have no proof that it doesn't work and i feel that you like wasting your time trying to discredit something you don't understand. Now, in saying this, i don't have proof on paper. Even if i did you still wouldn't believe the results.
@Dan221075 ; You have it backwards, you silly goose. It is not the job of skeptics to DISPROVE something; it is *YOUR* job to disprove your own claims. After you try that and fail, then it is your job to produce evidence for your claims. Do these two things first, then get back to me.
continued :> So my question is. Why do you ask for proof when we all know you wont believe the results anyway? Why don't you get off your ass and built a HHO device and prove to everyone else that it does work with your own figures. It easy to press record on any video camera to belch a bunch of hot pointless gas. Lets see you disprove HHO. I know for one that i am reaping the rewards of doing, not saying.
@Desertphile I feel that most people wouldn't bother taking your challenge because they have nothing to gain from it. Time is better spent improving the system you have then convincing someone that will never believe even if it was thrown in their face. I'm enjoying a $20-25 saving on each full tank of full. At almost $200 per tank, i am happy to save anything.
Patent infringement and as Tesla and Meyers, just to name a few, have found the Patent office screws with your patent to make it almost impossible to understand.
to many people set and bitch about WHY CANNT IT PRODUCE OVERUNITY, Boo fucking whoooooo, its a proven fact that overunity is impossible by current means of technology and the laws of physics, BUT HYDROGEN is 10x more combustable then gasoline, it would dramatically improve gas milage if you could find suitable means to store it, because hydrogen has the smallest atom and can leak easily thats more or less the only problem, thats why its kinda dangerous, because it can blow your engine up.
Most of the data disproving HHO states that the HHO did not improve the mileage, it just stayed the same.
If HHO is a loss, then why would the mileage stay the same. For example, if it were a loss then the mileage should go down significantly (5-10mpg) due to it's terrible efficiency. I think hydrogen barely works as a fuel supplement to regain lost heat that would otherwise have gone out the tail pipe. In other words the skeptics have actually ironically proven themselves wrong, barely.
The loss of MPG is very slight when the "hho" device draws little current. This is only observed when tested by an EPA-certified load cell dynamometer: one cannot observe miles-per-gallon accurately using driving tests.
Actually you are putting VERY little energy into these systems so you would not expect a great decrease in efficiency...in return you are also getting even less out of the system. So yes...you have a loss...but a small loss.
You made the simplest point which anyone can understand. Money.
If i was able to make a perpetual motion machine, or free energy machine, hho booster or whatever, I would immediately get the idea patented and tested and marketed. I'd be rich. I wouldn't be making crappy videos about it on youtube. Not sure why so many people don't get this.
OOOh OOOh. Sorry DP nobody will for now. They were all chickening out.Aaa!!! maybe someday one HHO sucker out there will challenge you. So watch out don't be surprise when that day come.
You have obviously "proven" it to yourselves; now prove it to the world. The problem is that many people: 1. don't understand what scientific proof is and 2. don't understand even the need for proof. Testing an idea is scary because you might find out it is wrong. It takes courage to actually go to the dynomometer shop (known as the house of dissappointments).
Children, children...IF it worked, proving it would be childs play; just step up and prove it. Fighting the request to prove it is more work than just doing it....ohh, I forgot, it DOESN"T WORK!! Could that be the source of your resistance?
Somebody better call HONDA and let them know that they are all crazy. Its quite simple, DREAM or get the fuck out of our way cuz we like being nutcases".
It has to do with Honda and any other company that is searching for alternative fuel. LOOK, I know what your saying and believe it or not I actually agree with some of what you say. BUT The way you come across is that you don't believe that it will ever happen with Hydrogen or at least the way we are trying to extract Hydrogen. You may be right but we need to try for the better of all of us. Thats All :-)
A 2 liter engine at 4000 RPM will consume 2000 liter of oxygen and gasoline fume. Now if the HHO generator produces 5 liter of HHO fume in 1 minute what does it mean? It means that it is not adequate and IT WILL NOT WORK. why not we all just give it up?
But If your HHO generator can produce at least 1 liter of LIQUID HYDROGEN in one minute, then it is different it will work. Oh I'm tired of this ISSUE.
The true reason these people keep pushing "HHO"(remember, not H2 and O2...) is because they are trying to sell their crap to the next idiot that buys it.
"It's the makes job to disprove there own claims?" --- Yes, the person who makes the claim is required to try to disprove her or his own claim; that is what scientists do. It is not the job of critics to disprove someone else's claims.
Are you really that fucking dumb? Even in everyday life, when someone has a hunch about some thing, he looks to see if it is valid by searching for those things that make the hunch false. For instance; I have a hunch that I can bench press 250lbs. I test that by first seeing if I can bench press 220lbs. If I cannot, I know that I cannot lift the 250lbs. There are many such examples.
How does one DISPROVE their own claims????This is asinine.4COL
If you go to WAL-mart and buy an DVD--bring it home and it does not work--could you then request a Wall-mart or the maker(say SONY corp)to disprove their claim that it works. Your IQ is obviously AT PAR with the SHIT SHUFFLING JOB you do FARMHAND. STFup allready.
BTW+ GOVERNMENT(s) get HUGE revenue from Makers,Users,distributors etc of CRUDE and BYPRODUCTS...That is the dirty clue as to why OIL-cartels are allowed STATUS QUO.
"How does one DISPROVE their own claims?" They do that by testing them: scientists not only do that all the time, the scientific method requires that they disprove themselves. The only way scientists know if their hypotheses are correct is to try to prove themselves wrong--- that is what scientists do.
Because the EPA is a government agency that is fueled by OIL OIL OIL and GOD forbid that we the people should find a way to take money out of their pockets by getting rid of our need for OIL OIL OIL. If HHO is a false idea, WHY are ALL of the automobile companies spending millions on HHO research and WHY has Honda produced many cars with this technology... WAKE UP
By Grownups, You did'nt happen to include yourself in that "Grownup" comment DID YOU :-) Cuz you sir act like the very Retards you talk about. Government conspiracy, I have never heard of any Government conspiracy.HAVE YOU...........Fool
YES, I am a NUT but at least I think outside the box and guys like you will eventually benefit from Kooks like me. Same old youtube rant. Blah Blah Blah
By "thinking outside the box" you really mean "making believe regardless of reality itself." You're a paranoid conspiracy nutcase: you should see a doctor about that.
If you have an HHO device (whatever the fuck that is) that increases mileage, companies will line up at your door for the opportunity to TEST, manufacture, and market the device, AND make you a very, very, rich person.
If you doesn't want money or fame, then just give the technology to society. Otherwise, you are just another nut case.
"I want to hear a well thought out argument as to why HHO cannot help in boosting an internal combustion engine. Well, sparky, it is not an efficient process for one thing and adding HHO to a hydrocarbon based explosion is coals to newcastle. There is already a lot of HHO in the chemical reaction of a hydrocarbon explosion. That water you see dripping from the tailpipe of any old fashined engine is proof of that. Adding HHO *wastes* energy.
Hugh Mcginnis , an engineer for TRW 's old turbocharger division pointed out that on a heavily loaded engine, the internal horsepower of the exhaust turbine sec tion can almost equal the crank horsepower on older engines. Lose the blower and save that wasted power for the wheels. The more heat energy you keep is the less fuel you need.
Mileage that is(I never said I could type) On modern engines less than 1/2 of the heat energy reaches the crankshaft, combustion is now working so well that the best remaining improvement will come from heat capture. (internal and external) DesertPhile is trying to teach you something important! Accurate testing is essential to any claim.
Testing requires facing that horrifying thing known as factual reality. If the milage kooks want 20% increase in milage, they should work on perfecting a variable-vane power- recovery turbine to capture waste energy from the exhaust. This actually works as seen on ww2 bombers. Oh yeah, I forgot, that involves a working knowledge of PHYSICS...AND TESTING !
Your a very entertaining CLOWN ! who is simply wrong! ,i admit i am a fool for responding ,i think you just do this for attention!ever thought of joining a circus.enjoyed watching for the wrong reasons.
..And I think you should put your vehicle through a proper test. The earlier you discover that the gains are illusionary - the easier it will be for your ego to deal with the lost investment in time and money.
War will never be obsolete. I'm definitely able to be classified as a "peacenik" hippy type when it comes to this, but the truth is people will always find a reason to fight. In fact, a lot of the reasons people have fought before are still around. Territorial disputes, petty belief differences, xenophobia. Cheap energy is not going to get rid of any of it. But this is beyond the point. We are talking about these people and their claims not OPEC. OPEC isn't keeping them down.
"They even passed a law stating it illegal to change your car from hybrid or pure gasoline to pure electric."
Obviously ain't happening, or these people would be in jail, because they have already set up these devices in cars, and do so for a profit.
Let's look at these HHO people. The skeptics have been asking for data for a long time, and the video this one responds to is usually what happens: "we don't have to, why would we test our devices?". This says something about the HHO people to me
FYI desertphile i replied to that mixcatcom retard and said the car companies would desperately approve of this device and put it on every 2010 car. He just gave me a short little reply stating your a whackjob.. What a surprise no argument just an insult.
"All I am saying is that new energies cause threat to current established power sources and people's $ in it "
They are still responsible to the people who buy from them. I'm not all that into the "Invisible Hand" of the market, but if the majority of people are wanting to start weaning off oil( which they are), the oil companies would be best served switching with them. They have the money and the structure set up to be able to make money off the alternatives. Some are even doing it.
A perfect summation of HHO cultists, and others of their ilk:
"If you are in possession of this revolutionary secret of science, why not prove it and be hailed as the new Newton? Of course, we know the answer. You can't do it. You are a fake." — Richard Dawkins
Are you kidding, if you had such a device for real, you'd be a billionaire within weeks.
Don't worry though, I'm sure they'll come back with some argument saying that the oil/car companies are blackballing them and/or threating them so they can't take it to market. *cough* BS *cough*
This is an awesome video! There needs to be more videos like this!!! Theres a lot of videos out there that are a whole bunch of nonsense now a days. Can you upload some more?
I don't know how you have the patience to do this. These people don't want to test their devices because they do not want to have their devices proven not to work, whether so they can continue to scam people via donations or 'investment' opportunities or because they have a cult-like need to plausibly believe they work.
I'm rewriting 'All Things Bright and Beautiful' to refer to HHO devices. I figure publishing a hymn is a fairly moral way to cash in on this upcoming Church of HHO craze. ;)
you're the best Desertphile! Its hard to believe people don't understand burden of proof. I bet that idiot accepts religion, tarot, crossing over with John Edwards, etc. What an ignorant statement that guy made! Keep up the good work.
Has desertphile actually looked at the physics about this? has desertphile actually looked into the evidence either way or is he merely practising flexing his argumentation muscles?
That's not the point. The point is that DP asks those guys (in his unique way) to make use of the scientific method and be critical about the results of their work. When someone is persuaded that he is right, and refuses to be critical about the results, it's not scientific - it's make-believe. When they try to counter criticism or just ignore it, they prove that they are not interested in working by the scientific method.
I agree that a lot of the HHO videos are rather one sided, but the researchers who are using youtube to publish their successes and failures do provide real evidence for success and do try and explain why they have failures and work around the problems. DP seems to only be attacking the Public Relations messages of the HHO community and not the science behind HHO in cars. I personally am more interested in HHO for cooking and heating though as I don't drive all that much
"I personally am more interested in HHO for cooking and heating though"
Why would you do that? Just use the electricity to make heat directly. If you use electricity to split water and then burn the products you're wasting half of your electricity in the splitting phase.
You need to understand, splitting water is a tremendously wasteful process at the moment. There is a massive amount of REAL research devoted to improving that.
beacuse with small quantities of electricity and low wattage one can with HHO get more results, even by the brute force electrolysis method.
Also if you uses wind power and solar and exploits the hydrogen separation technology that john aarons is working on one can store useable gas over time and then send that through a burner thus making your gas cooking / heating free after initial investment. It should have a very quick payback time considering cheap components :)
"beacuse with small quantities of electricity and low wattage one can with HHO get more results, even by the brute force electrolysis method."
Uh.. what? You lose roughly half the energy you put into it. How can that be defined as more results than using ALL of the electricity for heat directly?
A quick search of John Aarons says he's a proponent of "over unity" motors, in other words perpetual motion free energy devices. If you believe in that why bother with wind power?
Strange you should say that. The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway. All you need to do is to use an efficient burner, take into account air flow and then you have cheap heating and cooking. I am sceptical of your position and you need to prove your claims to me before I can take you seriously here. Your arguments are not actually based on experiments you have done
"The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway."
The issue is energy (i.e., watts, i.e., power), not temperature: using oxyhydrogen to heat wastes far more energy than using electricity to heat.
"The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway"
What part of this basic concept are you not understanding? If you put, say, 1 amp hour of electricity into a water splitter you'll get HHO worth a max of maybe .7 amp hours back, providing that much heating potential. If you use the electricity directly you'll get the full amp hour of heat energy.
"Your arguments are not actually based on experiments you have done "
This is fundamental conservation of energy here. I don't have to do an experiment to know that if I waste half the power I use I get less heat energy than if I use all of it.
The total heat output of your HHO burner will be equal to the power spent generating the HHO minus the serious inefficiencies of current water splitting. The total heat output of a simple electric heater is equal to the amount of electricity it uses.
There is no way to say this gently, and it's at this point that the dialogue tends to break down.. you're missing a lot of fundamental information about energy. A tiny but hot flame can output less energy than a large but not as hot heating element. Equally you might only be able to fuel that hot flame for a short time with the derived hydrogen.
You need to be using a measurement of energy, not temperature. Watts, BTUs, or Joules would all be appropriate. Temperature alone is not sufficient
You really just doing this to humor and entertainment purpose... right? You do know there is no way to talk sense or change the minds of these wackos? "Cultists" is such a suitable description! The cult leaders (who know its just BS) will never admit its BS, cause they make money doing their thing. The followers are like any other cult follower, and will defend the cult leaders gospel of BS, to the bitter end.
"sometimes the current established power source on energy will not allow themselves to be replaced"
WTF? What "current established power source on energy" are you talking about? And what makes you think this mysterious cabal of sinister criminals could possibly do to stop legitimate research and technological progress?
What we have in HHO claims are criminals committing fraud to rook and swindle people who actually think their claims could some how actually work.
"A law prohibiting someone from creating an invention makes them a criminal?"
No. Laws are created generally to address and curtail people committing harm -- either financially, physically, mentally, or emotionally -- to others. Here we have criminals knowingly committing frauds and knowingly violating emissions laws for the deliberate desire to swindle money out of rubes.
I think eletrik actually stated in one of his videos that he can't take Desertphile's challenge because his device only generates about a 16% increase, and not 20%, yet he still insists that Desertphile drive all the way across the country to test his device.
The fact is, is that these HHO idiots KNOW their devices don't work, so they're side-stepping around any legit testing by attacking the skeptics and asking THEM to disprove their claims. But like DP said, that's not how science works.
"The fact is, is that these HHO idiots KNOW their devices don't work"
Ya got to wonder how much money they manage to eek out of believers. I couldn't see there being enough idiot rubes out there to make it financially worth committing such fraud. Apparently they themselves think it's worth going to prison for if they ever do manage to make a really big swindle.
I think the major reason why there are so many followers and true-believers is that people are so desperate for some kind of alternative fuel source, that they're willing to throw all their faith into whatever comes along. Enough to shun all the non-believers!
They're crooks and they know they're crooks. They are deliberately committing frauds -- or trying to -- to rook and swindle money out of rubes, marks, and suckers. They know it. We know it. They know that we know it.
There is no such thing as a "water car" though, running a car on water would be the same as running a car on dinosaurs which would be the gasoline equivalent, the fuel has to be created first.
Gasoline engines can run on pure hydrogen with modifications, the issue lies in storing hydrogen safely in the vehicle since there's no way to separate hydrogen and oxygen fast enough to power an engine from a live feed, you must first separate it with electricity (solar panels ftw) and then load hydrogen into hydride tanks. I have a 1972 Gremlin that runs on hydrogen produced via electrolysis powered by a solar panel.
"Many institutions or groups would do the testing for free."
In fact I am working on that; I have been talking with the University of California, Irvine, about providing free EPA-certified testing. I have written to more than 30 other testing facilities in the USA to make the same deal, all in the interest of the public good.
Actually if you manage to rook any real money out of rubes, you get to go to prison. The fact that you're only defrauding unedicated, usually pennyless rubes means you fall below law enforcement action. Actually manage to swindle someone out of significant money and you get deservedly ass fucked in prison for a few years.
He doesn't "accept himself." He accepts science, direct observation, thermydanic and other predicate, inviolate precepts of reality. The HHO crooks' claims are unevidenced which contrast with the physical sciences which -are- evidenced.
When a scientist makes an observation that is backed up by evidence, it's not the scientist who is making an assertion, it is the evidence, the physical reality that's asserting itself.
The fact that you call it a hobby makes me even more suspicious. Selling a few devices here and there is a good way to stay under the radar of the authorities. Since these devices don't work, no one sane is going to mass market them.
"Since these devices don't work, no one sane is going to mass market them."
If they did work, I could get funding so fast it would make even the tobacco industry jealous. USA law requires automakers' reduce emissions and increase fuel efficiency--- a 20% gain in MPG at the cost of about $200..... they would *KILL* for such a device, and rain enormous wealth upon the person who provides such a device.
"viewership on our videos is up 20% and my own subscriber base has jumped substantially"
Of course it has, fucktard, people will obviously be motivated to look at the lunatic cultists, it's a circus act and you ignorant, uneducated rubes, marks, and suckers are entertaining when you're being rooked and swindled by conmen.
You uneducated cultists dance to the tunes of criminals trying to swindle money out of you, that's vastly entertaining, you have to admit.
Basically, what these HHO people are saying is --"buy this device, but don't ask any questions on how it works." Sounds like Bernie Madoff has gone into the auto business.
No, that's science's demonstrable reality, not an opinion. The crooks trying to sell such frauds to rubes know that it does not work, that's why the crooks refuse to allow their scams to be tested again, because science has already debunked their frauds over and over.
Of course they can't allow an authority to test their devices. It's a conspiracy between the oil companies and the US government to help the oil companies sell their gas. And DP is conniving; he is getting paid huge amounts of money for falsely discrediting the devices. Didn't you notice the mansion he is living in and the beautiful park that surrounds it?
"And DP is conniving; he is getting paid huge amounts of money for falsely discrediting the devices. Didn't you notice the mansion he is living in and the beautiful park that surrounds it?"
Damn it, I'm his brother and that bastard has never given _me_ any of that OPEC "shut them up" money! Now that you mention it, it _does_ seem odd that he's hiding out in the desert wilderness running the OPEC conspiracy while "living high off the hog."
"...and the guy's invention was hardly heard of again...."
I saw that video over a year ago. FOX "News" cannot be relied upon to tell the day's date truthfully. They claimed the guy in the video invented the device, which is a crock of shit: it was invented in the late 1800s. It cracked me up to hear them say the torch burned "hotter than the surface of the sun" (it did not because the energy density of the gases cannot do that) and they failed to mention the loss of energy involved.
Actually there was a follow up story to Denny Klein. He is now working on a totally different product for RV's. The news station asked what happened with Toyota, etc and he said that Toyota told him that thier Prius Technology was fine enough and turned down Dennys device. The government told him to get EPA certification and to date he has not done that. The station said they would follow up on him.
"You do know that they are putting this "boosters" on police cars?"
I saw that video; I considered sending that police department an email asking them why the bloody fuck they didn't asking a engineer, physicist, or chemist if the device works or not, but I feared I couldn't be polite enough. :-)
"I would just ask them if they see better mpg in there fleet."
I went looking for a contact email address for their Support Services Devision, which handles automobile transportation--- but their web site only gives a telephone number and I do not have access to a telephone. I see that there was a television news item on the subject but it was more of a "puff piece" and they did no follow-up. Damn shame.
"You do know that they are putting this "boosters" on police cars ? I could find the video for you"
There are always some legitimate suckers buying such scams. There are actual legitimate fire fighting companies that purchase the notorious Scientology crime syndicate's "NarCONon" frauds -- at least they do before they're informed about what it actually is and who's selling them the "Purification Rundown" frauds. Some politicians are as fucking ignorant and clueless as any HHO believer.
It is a sad commentary on the state of science knowledge in this country that there are so many ignorant fucktards who don't get how science works. Get medieval on their asses, DP.
"It is a sad commentary on the state of science knowledge in this country that there are so many ignorant fucktards who don't get how science works"
This in an age where public access to libraries are available to average citizens for free, where information collected in just the past 50 years exceeds all that came before then, an age of the Internet where humans have landed on the Moon and set spacecraft down on other planets. It's amazing that some people still think they have gods as well
And think about the *worldwide* revenue! Holding the patent for such a device would probably make you the wealthiest man on the planet in less than a decade.
I have no idea if these devices work - yet some guys meet an initial burden of showing working engines. Hydrogen is a real fuel source, so what is their gimmick?
To assume "it can never be done" is rather pessimistic & irrational.
To naively assume that the US government funds altruisticly is frankly laughable. And only a dope would think the powerful oil "budnit" would fund its own obsolescence.
I commend the efforts to make something as environmentally friendly & cheap as a water car.
I'm telling you, this thing works. The same results are repeated with and without the HHO. After 20000 miles i and not a skeptic. I urge everyone to built a cheap unit and try for yourself. This is the only way you will believe that it works. Don't pay for a pre built unit, make it yourself. At the end of the day we are trying to save money through increased miles. Once you see results then save for or make a good unit. Keep the other one in the car while you do this to so you can keep saving.
Dan221075 3 months ago in playlist HHO
continued:> I was once like you and didn't believe it could possibly work. HHO looks bad on calculation and a waist of energy. For me it was a 50/50 chance of it working. In order to prove to myself that it was either a fuel saver or a waste of time/money, I built a unit myself for as cheap as i could and ran it in my RV. After blowing up the first container from hot connections, i tried again. I had instant results and have never looked back. My fuel economy jumped 8% then to 10-12%.
Dan221075 3 months ago
We have been traveling around the USA for six months in a 29ft RV. I have tested my MPG before HHO and consistently got 8.0mpg which is shocking but apparently normal for a Ford 7.2litre V8 engine. After I built a crude 16 plate HHO system and installed it. I immediately got 8.6mpg. I increased the amps until i was at maximum before meltdown or boiling. I now enjoy around 9.0MPG and have saved more than $1000 in fuel in 25000 miles. 10-15% savings is still better than none.
Dan221075 4 months ago in playlist HHO
@Dan221075 ; No. These devices waste fuel. Take my challenge.
Desertphile 3 months ago
@Desertphile It so easy for you to say it doesn't work. There are plenty of other skeptics out there that clam it doesn't work on the basis of hearsay, you are obviously one of them. You have no proof that it doesn't work and i feel that you like wasting your time trying to discredit something you don't understand. Now, in saying this, i don't have proof on paper. Even if i did you still wouldn't believe the results.
Dan221075 3 months ago
@Dan221075 ; You have it backwards, you silly goose. It is not the job of skeptics to DISPROVE something; it is *YOUR* job to disprove your own claims. After you try that and fail, then it is your job to produce evidence for your claims. Do these two things first, then get back to me.
Desertphile 3 months ago
continued :> So my question is. Why do you ask for proof when we all know you wont believe the results anyway? Why don't you get off your ass and built a HHO device and prove to everyone else that it does work with your own figures. It easy to press record on any video camera to belch a bunch of hot pointless gas. Lets see you disprove HHO. I know for one that i am reaping the rewards of doing, not saying.
Dan221075 3 months ago
@Desertphile I feel that most people wouldn't bother taking your challenge because they have nothing to gain from it. Time is better spent improving the system you have then convincing someone that will never believe even if it was thrown in their face. I'm enjoying a $20-25 saving on each full tank of full. At almost $200 per tank, i am happy to save anything.
Dan221075 3 months ago in playlist HHO
Patent infringement and as Tesla and Meyers, just to name a few, have found the Patent office screws with your patent to make it almost impossible to understand.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
to many people set and bitch about WHY CANNT IT PRODUCE OVERUNITY, Boo fucking whoooooo, its a proven fact that overunity is impossible by current means of technology and the laws of physics, BUT HYDROGEN is 10x more combustable then gasoline, it would dramatically improve gas milage if you could find suitable means to store it, because hydrogen has the smallest atom and can leak easily thats more or less the only problem, thats why its kinda dangerous, because it can blow your engine up.
eveilslayer 1 year ago
some cunts like you need to be taken out the back of the internet with a shovel.
duralwct 2 years ago
How objects are arranged does not affect their temperature.
marsCubed 2 years ago
"How objects are arranged does not affect their temperature."
How do you mean?
goobergel 2 years ago
you ARE A BIGGEST IDIOT ON INTERNET!!!
kremene 2 years ago
Most of the data disproving HHO states that the HHO did not improve the mileage, it just stayed the same.
If HHO is a loss, then why would the mileage stay the same. For example, if it were a loss then the mileage should go down significantly (5-10mpg) due to it's terrible efficiency. I think hydrogen barely works as a fuel supplement to regain lost heat that would otherwise have gone out the tail pipe. In other words the skeptics have actually ironically proven themselves wrong, barely.
trickyflicky1 2 years ago
The loss of MPG is very slight when the "hho" device draws little current. This is only observed when tested by an EPA-certified load cell dynamometer: one cannot observe miles-per-gallon accurately using driving tests.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Exactly...this is a physicist approved comment!
goobergel 2 years ago
Actually you are putting VERY little energy into these systems so you would not expect a great decrease in efficiency...in return you are also getting even less out of the system. So yes...you have a loss...but a small loss.
goobergel 2 years ago
Hopefully we will know more when they get the Hadron Collider up and running.
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
Are you talking about evaporation and condensation? Fueled by solar energy. You should lay off the DiHydrogen Oxide for about five days.
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
You made the simplest point which anyone can understand. Money.
If i was able to make a perpetual motion machine, or free energy machine, hho booster or whatever, I would immediately get the idea patented and tested and marketed. I'd be rich. I wouldn't be making crappy videos about it on youtube. Not sure why so many people don't get this.
Snoot501 2 years ago
I would like to see if it works...... I am....sure others would like to see if it works..... HAVE NICE DAZE .....LouisaMayCD' '.....
louisamayc 2 years ago
Just get a set up tested at an official testing station and with that certification would guarantee wealth beyond dreams.
Rockster969 2 years ago
There we go. Come on people DP just gave all the details.TAKE HIS CHALLENGE.
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
OOOh OOOh. Sorry DP nobody will for now. They were all chickening out.Aaa!!! maybe someday one HHO sucker out there will challenge you. So watch out don't be surprise when that day come.
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
You have obviously "proven" it to yourselves; now prove it to the world. The problem is that many people: 1. don't understand what scientific proof is and 2. don't understand even the need for proof. Testing an idea is scary because you might find out it is wrong. It takes courage to actually go to the dynomometer shop (known as the house of dissappointments).
arachnipope 2 years ago
Children, children...IF it worked, proving it would be childs play; just step up and prove it. Fighting the request to prove it is more work than just doing it....ohh, I forgot, it DOESN"T WORK!! Could that be the source of your resistance?
arachnipope 2 years ago
Desertphile + pissed-offness = fucking awesome
Wesleyfromindy2 2 years ago
Somebody better call HONDA and let them know that they are all crazy. Its quite simple, DREAM or get the fuck out of our way cuz we like being nutcases".
rotory2002 2 years ago
This video has nothing to do with "HONDA."
Desertphile 2 years ago
It has to do with Honda and any other company that is searching for alternative fuel. LOOK, I know what your saying and believe it or not I actually agree with some of what you say. BUT The way you come across is that you don't believe that it will ever happen with Hydrogen or at least the way we are trying to extract Hydrogen. You may be right but we need to try for the better of all of us. Thats All :-)
rotory2002 2 years ago
Honda is not putting these idiot devices in their cars; this video has nothing at all to do with "alternative fuel."
Desertphile 2 years ago
A 2 liter engine at 4000 RPM will consume 2000 liter of oxygen and gasoline fume. Now if the HHO generator produces 5 liter of HHO fume in 1 minute what does it mean? It means that it is not adequate and IT WILL NOT WORK. why not we all just give it up?
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
But If your HHO generator can produce at least 1 liter of LIQUID HYDROGEN in one minute, then it is different it will work. Oh I'm tired of this ISSUE.
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
Liquid hydrogen is different from HHO.
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
DesertFKHD ya little toss
Elvensteel0 2 years ago
i know ur talking but all i hear is bla bla bla
argosy2006 2 years ago
I totally agree with everything you've said.
The true reason these people keep pushing "HHO"(remember, not H2 and O2...) is because they are trying to sell their crap to the next idiot that buys it.
Philldapill85 2 years ago 2
So the people pushing Gas to the public are what?
And the people who consume it as nature, are what?
It's called progression, and it costs money.
Everything does. Stop being so naive.
A business, is a business. This guy has no argument, just stupidity.
If something works (Gas), stick to it, because it's profit. Millions, upon millions.
If this guy can do it, "EASY!" Then I would say: go for it. But no, he sits, in front of a camera, bitching about it.
No argument, just bullshit.
booty1983 2 years ago
If you have an alternative to buying gasoline, by all means share it with the rest of the planet.
Desertphile 2 years ago
what the hell are you on about? It's the makes job to disprove there own claims? are u realy this mental?
Rufe0 2 years ago
"It's the makes job to disprove there own claims?" --- Yes, the person who makes the claim is required to try to disprove her or his own claim; that is what scientists do. It is not the job of critics to disprove someone else's claims.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Are you really that fucking dumb? Even in everyday life, when someone has a hunch about some thing, he looks to see if it is valid by searching for those things that make the hunch false. For instance; I have a hunch that I can bench press 250lbs. I test that by first seeing if I can bench press 220lbs. If I cannot, I know that I cannot lift the 250lbs. There are many such examples.
Blndrfist 2 years ago
How does one DISPROVE their own claims????This is asinine.4COL
If you go to WAL-mart and buy an DVD--bring it home and it does not work--could you then request a Wall-mart or the maker(say SONY corp)to disprove their claim that it works. Your IQ is obviously AT PAR with the SHIT SHUFFLING JOB you do FARMHAND. STFup allready.
BTW+ GOVERNMENT(s) get HUGE revenue from Makers,Users,distributors etc of CRUDE and BYPRODUCTS...That is the dirty clue as to why OIL-cartels are allowed STATUS QUO.
Clueless2daWorld 2 years ago
"How does one DISPROVE their own claims?" They do that by testing them: scientists not only do that all the time, the scientific method requires that they disprove themselves. The only way scientists know if their hypotheses are correct is to try to prove themselves wrong--- that is what scientists do.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Than whay do we test and test and test if it did not work than we test some more to see why
RVhydrogen 2 years ago
Greetings. What tests have you applied to disprove your belief that oxyhydrogen "bubblers" increase a vehicle's MPG?
On another note, why is it the EPA has tested these devices and has never found one that works?
Desertphile 2 years ago
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Draonak 2 years ago
Because the EPA is a government agency that is fueled by OIL OIL OIL and GOD forbid that we the people should find a way to take money out of their pockets by getting rid of our need for OIL OIL OIL. If HHO is a false idea, WHY are ALL of the automobile companies spending millions on HHO research and WHY has Honda produced many cars with this technology... WAKE UP
rotory2002 2 years ago
Ah, I see.... so it is all a world-wide conspiracy. Well, run along now: grownups are talking.
Desertphile 2 years ago
By Grownups, You did'nt happen to include yourself in that "Grownup" comment DID YOU :-) Cuz you sir act like the very Retards you talk about. Government conspiracy, I have never heard of any Government conspiracy.HAVE YOU...........Fool
rotory2002 2 years ago
Yes, I heard about the world-wide conspiracy from YOU. That makes you a nut, doesn't it?
Desertphile 2 years ago
YES, I am a NUT but at least I think outside the box and guys like you will eventually benefit from Kooks like me. Same old youtube rant. Blah Blah Blah
rotory2002 2 years ago
By "thinking outside the box" you really mean "making believe regardless of reality itself." You're a paranoid conspiracy nutcase: you should see a doctor about that.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Rant rant rant. What the fuck,over.
It's clear to anyone with half a brain.
If you have an HHO device (whatever the fuck that is) that increases mileage, companies will line up at your door for the opportunity to TEST, manufacture, and market the device, AND make you a very, very, rich person.
If you doesn't want money or fame, then just give the technology to society. Otherwise, you are just another nut case.
157626 2 years ago
"I want to hear a well thought out argument as to why HHO cannot help in boosting an internal combustion engine. Well, sparky, it is not an efficient process for one thing and adding HHO to a hydrocarbon based explosion is coals to newcastle. There is already a lot of HHO in the chemical reaction of a hydrocarbon explosion. That water you see dripping from the tailpipe of any old fashined engine is proof of that. Adding HHO *wastes* energy.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Hugh Mcginnis , an engineer for TRW 's old turbocharger division pointed out that on a heavily loaded engine, the internal horsepower of the exhaust turbine sec tion can almost equal the crank horsepower on older engines. Lose the blower and save that wasted power for the wheels. The more heat energy you keep is the less fuel you need.
arachnipope 2 years ago
Mileage that is(I never said I could type) On modern engines less than 1/2 of the heat energy reaches the crankshaft, combustion is now working so well that the best remaining improvement will come from heat capture. (internal and external) DesertPhile is trying to teach you something important! Accurate testing is essential to any claim.
Be a scientist and not just a believer.
arachnipope 2 years ago
Testing requires facing that horrifying thing known as factual reality. If the milage kooks want 20% increase in milage, they should work on perfecting a variable-vane power- recovery turbine to capture waste energy from the exhaust. This actually works as seen on ww2 bombers. Oh yeah, I forgot, that involves a working knowledge of PHYSICS...AND TESTING !
arachnipope 2 years ago
Your a very entertaining CLOWN ! who is simply wrong! ,i admit i am a fool for responding ,i think you just do this for attention!ever thought of joining a circus.enjoyed watching for the wrong reasons.
flyingdoctorcee 2 years ago
How is he wrong?...where is your data or research?
Prove him wrong or STFU.
TheWad1959 2 years ago
How is he right ?.....where is your data or research?
flyingdoctorcee 2 years ago
"i think you just do this for attention"
..And I think you should put your vehicle through a proper test. The earlier you discover that the gains are illusionary - the easier it will be for your ego to deal with the lost investment in time and money.
neuronstorm 2 years ago
I'm not entierly sure, do you have to be a christian to do this H H O scam??
I wonder how many % chrsitians VS %atheist/agnostics who buy into this H H O....?
Paxmax 2 years ago
War will never be obsolete. I'm definitely able to be classified as a "peacenik" hippy type when it comes to this, but the truth is people will always find a reason to fight. In fact, a lot of the reasons people have fought before are still around. Territorial disputes, petty belief differences, xenophobia. Cheap energy is not going to get rid of any of it. But this is beyond the point. We are talking about these people and their claims not OPEC. OPEC isn't keeping them down.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
"They even passed a law stating it illegal to change your car from hybrid or pure gasoline to pure electric."
Obviously ain't happening, or these people would be in jail, because they have already set up these devices in cars, and do so for a profit.
Let's look at these HHO people. The skeptics have been asking for data for a long time, and the video this one responds to is usually what happens: "we don't have to, why would we test our devices?". This says something about the HHO people to me
Cyrathil 2 years ago
If they had anything to prove wouldn't they have proved it by now without any hesitation? Desertphile is the winner in my book.
psychodeathmonkey 2 years ago
FYI desertphile i replied to that mixcatcom retard and said the car companies would desperately approve of this device and put it on every 2010 car. He just gave me a short little reply stating your a whackjob.. What a surprise no argument just an insult.
psychodeathmonkey 2 years ago
"All I am saying is that new energies cause threat to current established power sources and people's $ in it "
They are still responsible to the people who buy from them. I'm not all that into the "Invisible Hand" of the market, but if the majority of people are wanting to start weaning off oil( which they are), the oil companies would be best served switching with them. They have the money and the structure set up to be able to make money off the alternatives. Some are even doing it.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
Also, I never noticed before, but your back wall is moving! Is it really a sheet?
YellingBird 2 years ago
A perfect summation of HHO cultists, and others of their ilk:
"If you are in possession of this revolutionary secret of science, why not prove it and be hailed as the new Newton? Of course, we know the answer. You can't do it. You are a fake." — Richard Dawkins
YellingBird 2 years ago
Are you kidding, if you had such a device for real, you'd be a billionaire within weeks.
Don't worry though, I'm sure they'll come back with some argument saying that the oil/car companies are blackballing them and/or threating them so they can't take it to market. *cough* BS *cough*
Di66en6ion 2 years ago
This is an awesome video! There needs to be more videos like this!!! Theres a lot of videos out there that are a whole bunch of nonsense now a days. Can you upload some more?
Chick6517 2 years ago
GRAVITY!!!!
AtheistChase 2 years ago
Classic....
tmafkap 2 years ago
I don't know how you have the patience to do this. These people don't want to test their devices because they do not want to have their devices proven not to work, whether so they can continue to scam people via donations or 'investment' opportunities or because they have a cult-like need to plausibly believe they work.
I'm rewriting 'All Things Bright and Beautiful' to refer to HHO devices. I figure publishing a hymn is a fairly moral way to cash in on this upcoming Church of HHO craze. ;)
ChrisJMoor 2 years ago
a ton of tags, so little views
luc59457 2 years ago
you're the best Desertphile! Its hard to believe people don't understand burden of proof. I bet that idiot accepts religion, tarot, crossing over with John Edwards, etc. What an ignorant statement that guy made! Keep up the good work.
Peace!
fiusux12 2 years ago
Has desertphile actually looked at the physics about this? has desertphile actually looked into the evidence either way or is he merely practising flexing his argumentation muscles?
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
That's not the point. The point is that DP asks those guys (in his unique way) to make use of the scientific method and be critical about the results of their work. When someone is persuaded that he is right, and refuses to be critical about the results, it's not scientific - it's make-believe. When they try to counter criticism or just ignore it, they prove that they are not interested in working by the scientific method.
tmafkap 2 years ago
I agree that a lot of the HHO videos are rather one sided, but the researchers who are using youtube to publish their successes and failures do provide real evidence for success and do try and explain why they have failures and work around the problems. DP seems to only be attacking the Public Relations messages of the HHO community and not the science behind HHO in cars. I personally am more interested in HHO for cooking and heating though as I don't drive all that much
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
"I personally am more interested in HHO for cooking and heating though"
Why would you do that? Just use the electricity to make heat directly. If you use electricity to split water and then burn the products you're wasting half of your electricity in the splitting phase.
You need to understand, splitting water is a tremendously wasteful process at the moment. There is a massive amount of REAL research devoted to improving that.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
"Why would you do that?"
beacuse with small quantities of electricity and low wattage one can with HHO get more results, even by the brute force electrolysis method.
Also if you uses wind power and solar and exploits the hydrogen separation technology that john aarons is working on one can store useable gas over time and then send that through a burner thus making your gas cooking / heating free after initial investment. It should have a very quick payback time considering cheap components :)
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
"beacuse with small quantities of electricity and low wattage one can with HHO get more results, even by the brute force electrolysis method."
Uh.. what? You lose roughly half the energy you put into it. How can that be defined as more results than using ALL of the electricity for heat directly?
A quick search of John Aarons says he's a proponent of "over unity" motors, in other words perpetual motion free energy devices. If you believe in that why bother with wind power?
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
Strange you should say that. The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway. All you need to do is to use an efficient burner, take into account air flow and then you have cheap heating and cooking. I am sceptical of your position and you need to prove your claims to me before I can take you seriously here. Your arguments are not actually based on experiments you have done
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
"The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway."
The issue is energy (i.e., watts, i.e., power), not temperature: using oxyhydrogen to heat wastes far more energy than using electricity to heat.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"The temperatures that the HHO flame can reach are intense and much higher then that which can be achieved with just an electric hob which is not efficient anyway"
What part of this basic concept are you not understanding? If you put, say, 1 amp hour of electricity into a water splitter you'll get HHO worth a max of maybe .7 amp hours back, providing that much heating potential. If you use the electricity directly you'll get the full amp hour of heat energy.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
"Your arguments are not actually based on experiments you have done "
This is fundamental conservation of energy here. I don't have to do an experiment to know that if I waste half the power I use I get less heat energy than if I use all of it.
The total heat output of your HHO burner will be equal to the power spent generating the HHO minus the serious inefficiencies of current water splitting. The total heat output of a simple electric heater is equal to the amount of electricity it uses.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
There is no way to say this gently, and it's at this point that the dialogue tends to break down.. you're missing a lot of fundamental information about energy. A tiny but hot flame can output less energy than a large but not as hot heating element. Equally you might only be able to fuel that hot flame for a short time with the derived hydrogen.
You need to be using a measurement of energy, not temperature. Watts, BTUs, or Joules would all be appropriate. Temperature alone is not sufficient
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
NomadSoul76, you are trying to reason with a fruitcake. Look at his profile.
MakesMeAngry 2 years ago 2
"beacuse with small quantities of electricity and low wattage one can with HHO get more results...."
But that wastes too much energy: far better to heat with the electricity.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"...you're wasting half of your electricity in the splitting phase."
Hell, probably much more than half is wasted.
Desertphile 2 years ago
You really just doing this to humor and entertainment purpose... right? You do know there is no way to talk sense or change the minds of these wackos? "Cultists" is such a suitable description! The cult leaders (who know its just BS) will never admit its BS, cause they make money doing their thing. The followers are like any other cult follower, and will defend the cult leaders gospel of BS, to the bitter end.
ProAudioFanatic 2 years ago
Partly entertainment, but also spreading opinions.
There just is not enough resistance towards humbug, you need to spam it to be able to actually reach people.
latuman 2 years ago
Cultists behavior actually believes what they say, to the point of "dying for it". Jim Jones, anyone?
hhokiller 2 years ago
I would take a bullet for Desertphile.
mephigog 2 years ago
". I asked why don't I hear anything about this guy's invention"
You were told why. You were also told why no legitimate news source carried the claimant's claims.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
"sometimes the current established power source on energy will not allow themselves to be replaced"
WTF? What "current established power source on energy" are you talking about? And what makes you think this mysterious cabal of sinister criminals could possibly do to stop legitimate research and technological progress?
What we have in HHO claims are criminals committing fraud to rook and swindle people who actually think their claims could some how actually work.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
"A law prohibiting someone from creating an invention makes them a criminal?"
No. Laws are created generally to address and curtail people committing harm -- either financially, physically, mentally, or emotionally -- to others. Here we have criminals knowingly committing frauds and knowingly violating emissions laws for the deliberate desire to swindle money out of rubes.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
You would have to believe that HHO works, but major car manufacturers would rather go bankrupt than pay for this idea which would save the company.
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
WRONG! lol
uberformance88 2 years ago
I think eletrik actually stated in one of his videos that he can't take Desertphile's challenge because his device only generates about a 16% increase, and not 20%, yet he still insists that Desertphile drive all the way across the country to test his device.
The fact is, is that these HHO idiots KNOW their devices don't work, so they're side-stepping around any legit testing by attacking the skeptics and asking THEM to disprove their claims. But like DP said, that's not how science works.
Relyt22 2 years ago
"The fact is, is that these HHO idiots KNOW their devices don't work"
Ya got to wonder how much money they manage to eek out of believers. I couldn't see there being enough idiot rubes out there to make it financially worth committing such fraud. Apparently they themselves think it's worth going to prison for if they ever do manage to make a really big swindle.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
I think the major reason why there are so many followers and true-believers is that people are so desperate for some kind of alternative fuel source, that they're willing to throw all their faith into whatever comes along. Enough to shun all the non-believers!
Relyt22 2 years ago
One of your best videos concerning this subject, I'd say.
LinkTetraWW 2 years ago
hemp products???
wwickeddogg 2 years ago
"A law prohibiting someone from creating an invention makes them a criminal?"
No.
Desertphile 2 years ago
8:04 anon?
anonforuz 2 years ago
FOX "News." So the video was tailored for Republicans with poor educations and a desire to believe in titanic Muslim conspiracies (OPEC et al.)
The story was not covered by a legitimate news agency for obvious reasons.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
They're crooks and they know they're crooks. They are deliberately committing frauds -- or trying to -- to rook and swindle money out of rubes, marks, and suckers. They know it. We know it. They know that we know it.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
settle down desertphile, your going to have a heart attack.
errskin 2 years ago
funny as hell, love desertphile
aogilmor 2 years ago
Good vid. And I liked the Anon test pattern at the end :)
nukebuilder 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a "water car" though, running a car on water would be the same as running a car on dinosaurs which would be the gasoline equivalent, the fuel has to be created first.
roglrider 2 years ago
Gasoline engines can run on pure hydrogen with modifications, the issue lies in storing hydrogen safely in the vehicle since there's no way to separate hydrogen and oxygen fast enough to power an engine from a live feed, you must first separate it with electricity (solar panels ftw) and then load hydrogen into hydride tanks. I have a 1972 Gremlin that runs on hydrogen produced via electrolysis powered by a solar panel.
roglrider 2 years ago
Where did you get the hydride tanks? Are they made from lithium-ion batteries?
In many states you cannot purchase hydride as it is used in making thermal weapons/missiles.
neonpulse 2 years ago
Another great vid; keep them swindlers at bay DP!
vegassilenttype 2 years ago 3
Why I do NOT have an HHO device on my Vehicle .
It takes about 20 amps of current to produce 2 liters per min. of HHO.
My vehicle cruising at 2,000 RPM uses about 2,000 liters of air/fuel mix every minute. That is 2 parts HHO to 2,000 parts of air/fuel.
That reduced down is.....
1/10th of 1% or One part HHO to 1,000 parts of air/fuel.
Now logic and common sense should tell you that is not going to make any difference in MPG.
Now you have to subtract the power it took to make the HHO.
noimw 2 years ago 4
noimw said: It takes about 20 amps of current to produce 2 liters per min. of HHO... That is 2 parts HHO to 2,000 parts of air/fuel
Exactly. If you want to make a difference you'll be needing 100's of liters of PURE HYDROGEN. Adding oxygen does not help.
So, you'll need 300+ litres of H H O to make a difference PLUS the making of that H H O must not burden the engine!!!
Paxmax 2 years ago
where do you find these nuts :p
its fun
erdal0 2 years ago 2
"where do you find these nuts :p"
Legend has it there's one born every minute.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
I think this is the best one yet!
jackferwerda 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
nothing helpful here ... just more drama ... same old tire arguments running in circles ...
1) we dont need your permission
2) we dont care about your opinion
3) we do not accept you as authoritative
4) we are not able at this time to fund academic style research on the technology
5) the evidence we do have available would survive any court challenge
6) we do nothing illegal, immoral or fattening
so address the facts and keep the drama for someone who cares ...
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
"we are not able at this time to fund academic style research on the technology"
This is such a nonsensical comment. Many institutions or groups would do the testing for free.
dudev 2 years ago 4
"Many institutions or groups would do the testing for free."
In fact I am working on that; I have been talking with the University of California, Irvine, about providing free EPA-certified testing. I have written to more than 30 other testing facilities in the USA to make the same deal, all in the interest of the public good.
Desertphile 2 years ago
If that is true DP , that's really great man.
Even if only done to prove something wrong .
tjgame2 2 years ago
"In fact I am working on that; I have been talking with the University of California, Irvine, about providing free EPA-certified testing."
You should make a video about this... It would be interesting to hear the HHO people come up with an excuse against it.
Relyt22 2 years ago
"we dont need your permission"
Actually if you manage to rook any real money out of rubes, you get to go to prison. The fact that you're only defrauding unedicated, usually pennyless rubes means you fall below law enforcement action. Actually manage to swindle someone out of significant money and you get deservedly ass fucked in prison for a few years.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
1) I didn't say "you did;
2) I didn't think "you did;
3) I didn't think "you did;
4) I could get a MASSIVE amount of money if I had valid evidence for the claims you cult nuts make: it would be easy;
5) O.J. Simpson was guilty; lawyers are not scientists;
6) robbing people is illegal and immoral.
Desertphile 2 years ago
7) we can't show you how it works
SofaKingLoaded 2 years ago
"7) we can't show you how it works"
Just like ESP, tarot card reading, and hearing the dead speak--- one must accept the "HHO" claims on faith.
Desertphile 2 years ago
3) You accept yourself though? Why?
4) Well thats easy, you keep funding the non academic style research.
6) You have freedom of speech, but not freedom of not being poited out as the loonies that you are...
LinkTetraWW 2 years ago
"You accept yourself though? Why?"
He doesn't "accept himself." He accepts science, direct observation, thermydanic and other predicate, inviolate precepts of reality. The HHO crooks' claims are unevidenced which contrast with the physical sciences which -are- evidenced.
When a scientist makes an observation that is backed up by evidence, it's not the scientist who is making an assertion, it is the evidence, the physical reality that's asserting itself.
So it is with Desertphile.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 3
I think you missunderstood, I was meaning to reply to that "running in circles" comment, not DP :/
LinkTetraWW 2 years ago
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SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
"us promote the hobby"
The fact that you call it a hobby makes me even more suspicious. Selling a few devices here and there is a good way to stay under the radar of the authorities. Since these devices don't work, no one sane is going to mass market them.
dudev 2 years ago 2
"Since these devices don't work, no one sane is going to mass market them."
If they did work, I could get funding so fast it would make even the tobacco industry jealous. USA law requires automakers' reduce emissions and increase fuel efficiency--- a 20% gain in MPG at the cost of about $200..... they would *KILL* for such a device, and rain enormous wealth upon the person who provides such a device.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"viewership on our videos is up 20% and my own subscriber base has jumped substantially"
Of course it has, fucktard, people will obviously be motivated to look at the lunatic cultists, it's a circus act and you ignorant, uneducated rubes, marks, and suckers are entertaining when you're being rooked and swindled by conmen.
You uneducated cultists dance to the tunes of criminals trying to swindle money out of you, that's vastly entertaining, you have to admit.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
"your skeptical videos have done more to help us promote the hobby"
Great! I'll make many, many more.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"Great! I'll make many, many more."
Looking forward to them! GRAVITY! GRAAAAVITY!
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Basically, what these HHO people are saying is --"buy this device, but don't ask any questions on how it works." Sounds like Bernie Madoff has gone into the auto business.
dudev 2 years ago 5
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SmartScarecrow 2 years ago
And it's your opinion that these devices work. That's the problem. Reasonable people want verifiable evidence, not anecdotes or testimonials.
dudev 2 years ago 3
"That's the problem. Reasonable people want verifiable evidence...."
Indeed, and James Randi will pay $1,000,000 for that evidence: he said so on "Money Matters," and that video is available on YouTube.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"that's your opinion"
No, that's science's demonstrable reality, not an opinion. The crooks trying to sell such frauds to rubes know that it does not work, that's why the crooks refuse to allow their scams to be tested again, because science has already debunked their frauds over and over.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 2
"that's your opinion"
It ain't an opinion: it's an observation.
Desertphile 2 years ago
>>.Heres a feather to put on your hat... Damn you shovel shit here and there...:)
747dog 2 years ago
It's just like creationists, they just don't look at data, prefer faith in their device. It's insanity,
carrierexchange 2 years ago 6
Of course they can't allow an authority to test their devices. It's a conspiracy between the oil companies and the US government to help the oil companies sell their gas. And DP is conniving; he is getting paid huge amounts of money for falsely discrediting the devices. Didn't you notice the mansion he is living in and the beautiful park that surrounds it?
A brilliant invention going to waste ... sigh ...
(please don't flame, it's a joke)
Kattarina98 2 years ago 3
"And DP is conniving; he is getting paid huge amounts of money for falsely discrediting the devices. Didn't you notice the mansion he is living in and the beautiful park that surrounds it?"
Damn it, I'm his brother and that bastard has never given _me_ any of that OPEC "shut them up" money! Now that you mention it, it _does_ seem odd that he's hiding out in the desert wilderness running the OPEC conspiracy while "living high off the hog."
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 2
Maybe he's not letting you in on it because he's still sore about the peaches.
TheStephenation 2 years ago
"...and the guy's invention was hardly heard of again...."
I saw that video over a year ago. FOX "News" cannot be relied upon to tell the day's date truthfully. They claimed the guy in the video invented the device, which is a crock of shit: it was invented in the late 1800s. It cracked me up to hear them say the torch burned "hotter than the surface of the sun" (it did not because the energy density of the gases cannot do that) and they failed to mention the loss of energy involved.
Desertphile 2 years ago
Actually there was a follow up story to Denny Klein. He is now working on a totally different product for RV's. The news station asked what happened with Toyota, etc and he said that Toyota told him that thier Prius Technology was fine enough and turned down Dennys device. The government told him to get EPA certification and to date he has not done that. The station said they would follow up on him.
hhokiller 2 years ago
You do know that they are putting this "boosters" on police cars ? I could find the video for you.
Great video DP , your really changing the world. Time well spent.
tjgame2 2 years ago
"You do know that they are putting this "boosters" on police cars?"
I saw that video; I considered sending that police department an email asking them why the bloody fuck they didn't asking a engineer, physicist, or chemist if the device works or not, but I feared I couldn't be polite enough. :-)
Desertphile 2 years ago
I would just ask them if they see better mpg in there fleet.
tjgame2 2 years ago
"I would just ask them if they see better mpg in there fleet."
I went looking for a contact email address for their Support Services Devision, which handles automobile transportation--- but their web site only gives a telephone number and I do not have access to a telephone. I see that there was a television news item on the subject but it was more of a "puff piece" and they did no follow-up. Damn shame.
Desertphile 2 years ago
"You do know that they are putting this "boosters" on police cars ? I could find the video for you"
There are always some legitimate suckers buying such scams. There are actual legitimate fire fighting companies that purchase the notorious Scientology crime syndicate's "NarCONon" frauds -- at least they do before they're informed about what it actually is and who's selling them the "Purification Rundown" frauds. Some politicians are as fucking ignorant and clueless as any HHO believer.
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago
Hi DP, I make the saving per day: 48,750,000 gallons.
Gorteenminogue 2 years ago
It is a sad commentary on the state of science knowledge in this country that there are so many ignorant fucktards who don't get how science works. Get medieval on their asses, DP.
klangsteiner 2 years ago 4
"It is a sad commentary on the state of science knowledge in this country that there are so many ignorant fucktards who don't get how science works"
This in an age where public access to libraries are available to average citizens for free, where information collected in just the past 50 years exceeds all that came before then, an age of the Internet where humans have landed on the Moon and set spacecraft down on other planets. It's amazing that some people still think they have gods as well
NotSoOldHippy 2 years ago 2
get em raiden!
pippigladstone 2 years ago
Why is this so difficult for them to figure out?
winstonsmith00 2 years ago 3
And think about the *worldwide* revenue! Holding the patent for such a device would probably make you the wealthiest man on the planet in less than a decade.
Killersepp 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
DUDE u made like 100 fuckin videos about this pick a different topic.
Maxell720 2 years ago
pick a different channel to watch retard.
pippigladstone 2 years ago 6
I have no idea if these devices work - yet some guys meet an initial burden of showing working engines. Hydrogen is a real fuel source, so what is their gimmick?
To assume "it can never be done" is rather pessimistic & irrational.
To naively assume that the US government funds altruisticly is frankly laughable. And only a dope would think the powerful oil "budnit" would fund its own obsolescence.
I commend the efforts to make something as environmentally friendly & cheap as a water car.
HRHMQR 2 years ago