@knowone11111 try reading the psalm again .. the psalmist is saying that, just like the Edomites were happy when Jerusalem fell, whoever defeats Babylon should ALSO rejoice, and that in particular they should be happy as they throw the children of Babylon onto the rocks and kill them. Yeah .. nice one pissed off psalmist. Good thing Boney M left that part of the psalm out of "The Rivers of Babylon" :)
I didn't know anything about Mormons before a couple of days ago. From what little I know now, it is worse than Islam by a long shot and makes christianity look realistic. To christians- there is no god, get over it. To muslims - there is no Allah, get over it. To mormons- you are not a god, gods don't exist, Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves.
if you knew the history of this passage you'd know the Psalmist is talking about the Edomites who sacrificed thier own children to the false god baal in hopes of receiving good harvests. they were a nation that practiced mindless brutality as a way of life. Deuteronomy Ch 12:31
@Andytheantiathiest Even if it was a prophecy (not a command) and the prophecy stated that the enemies of the Edomites (presumably the Israelites) would rejoice while they smashed Edomite babies against rocks, it is STILL AN EVIL ACT! 99% of the time, the morals of modern 21st Century Man are superior to any you can find in the Bible. That’s a fact!
Their children also shall be dashed to pieces - This is a description of the horrors of the capture of Babylon; and there can be none more frightful and appalling than that which is here presented. That this is done in barbarous nations in the time of war, there can be no doubt. Nothing was more common among American savages, than to dash out the brains of infants against a rock or a tree, and it was often done before the eyes of the afflicted and heartbroken parents.
I wonder how many of you that have had something horrible happen to your own children have wished the same fate upon the one who did it to you. If everyone is honest, the first thought in ones mind is revenge on him who hurt you.
The person speaking had this very thing happen, and was upset, angry devastated same way you'd be if it happened to you. You'd cry for revenge, same reason people are so happy to see criminals die at the hand of an electric chair, or needles.
What you are reading is the heart of a person who had his heart ripped from his chest, watching their little ones die the very way. Is it any surprise he speaks in that tone? That isn't the thought of God in that verse, but an upset human crying out.
@Myhopeisinhim Most people want revenge against their family members killers, but most who do witness the execution will afterwards admit that they got no peace from it. Because their loved ones are still dead. Either way if you would dash someone's baby against a rock for them dashing your baby against a rock I would say you are a sick, depraved, disgusting, morally bankrupt individual. Even if you wouldn't yourself, justifying someone else doing it really says a lot about your moral compass.
WTF!!!??? This passage actually exists in the bible? OMG!! You know that is what the killers in Rwanda did to children and babies? They smashed their heads against walls... they must have been very happy afterwards.
@onotarh So, they get their ass kicked, and in true fashion decide that the right thing is to brutalize the Babylons in return. Yes, brutalizing children in that context makes so much sense now. You've got another follower on the way >_>. I hope this is a joke post.
Ok, b4 any1 (believer or atheist) takes a verse out of the bible, they should always read the whole chapter to see what it is saying. Every1 will understand something relative to their situation so I find it difficult to see why I should be told what GOD meant or what Jesus was saying in any particular part of the bible.
4 the record I do believe there is a god or GODS (male & female) but I don't believe any1 knows its/their true nature or who knows aren't telling who don't.
@KingMKLA The verse in question IS being taken out of context. The context of the passage is from the viewpoint of the children of Israel in Babylonian Captivity. "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." (137:8, preceding verse). Medo/Persia conquered Babylon, not Israel. Besides the verse doesn't endorse the action described, it is merely stating the joy of them who would accomplish the end of Babylon.
the worst video ever... dont like it. The text at the beginning is almost unreadable. The man screaming in laughter is ear piercing, and the verse wasnt even in modern language....
So many people forget that not all of the bible is a dictation straight from God's mouth. Many of it are popular songs written by jewish psalmists, historical records, recordings of jewish laws for the time period, books of prophecy, and so-forth. Yes, the bible is "profitable for doctrine", but in the wrong hands, and used wrongly, or interpreted improperly, it can justify hatred of christians. As a chrisitian, and a person, I have never cared what others think of me. Mutual respect is it.
dont forget..the ones who do more for god...get the least in heaven...and the ones who do least for god gets the most riches..oh,and noone can enter heaven that does NOT hate their parents.....too bad people are so easily scared and stupid to fall for this fear mongering..you people try and reword or come up with your own terp of what it says..god say it is what it is...dont take away or add to it..its perfect..so face value,that is who your god is...like it or not,evil is who you hide behind
Gee, of course we don't see the verses that proceed or follow this verse, and let's totally forget the bible is for all intents and purposes written in a poetic fashion, with a lot of colorful imagery and poetic descriptions and parables. Oh yes, because it's always a smart idea to take everything at face value.
@ExpertGamer951 Don't just babble, tell exactly how this is misrepresented!
Of course you can't because no matter what context you take, the meaning won't change: Smash the people's babies who are not in your mad bronze-age cult, beause that is a GODD THING to do.
@ExpertGamer951 - What are you TALKING about?! While I agree that some CONTEXT might've been of value here, it's YOU PEOPLE (the Fundamentalist christians) that are promulgating the idea that The Bible is the LITERAL word of God! When you try to tell one of these Millenial Death-Cult-types that the book of Revelation, for example, is probably meant to be DEEPLY poetic & symbolic, they become very angry & disagree! Same reaction as when told it's written by men[diff. books in&out over the yrs.]#
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:-(.....Please please PLEASE change your ways before its too late. God loves you and he will forgive you, all you have to do is ask. But please dont wait too late.
@msnickalasha don't be arrogant. you aren't the only religion so don't talk as if you are. be specific. don't just say god, don't just say become a christian and don't assume you are right if you can't provide proof. doing any of these things will only show that you are arrogant.
btw, if got gets pissed about us not believing when he shows no evidence, he's an ass. actually, i could call him as peice of shit asshole that shove his jealousy up his ass.
@atheistnarutofan The same way you feel strongly about your beliefs is the same way I feel about mine. The only differance is that I didn't once disrespect you in any way.
@msnickalasha Ive not done anything wrong, there's nothing to forgive, and any way I cant forgive the character of God as described in the bible, he behaves absolutely appallingly. If I behaved like that I would be strung up.
@msnickalasha Change what? He is taking texts from the Bible and animating them. Don't pull the out of Context, I have read the bible and it is in context. The book is a very evil thing. Good things it's fiction.
It's some pretty bad fiction at that too. I don't know if it would pass as scripture but the Metamorphoses is a far better piece of mythology. The Hindu scriptures are pretty good too I heard.
@msnickalasha I don't want to Worship someone who Say's thou shall not kill in one sentence then sends dude's to go kill entire citys in the next. Fuck your diety i live my life by my own happiness my morality is pure and his is not.
@crimsonakd *deity, for one thing.-The Canaanites were condemned because of their customs and cultures. Their daily life involved sacrificing their infant children, alive, by burning them in a brazen goat statue (Chemosh, Molech). God condemned them because they were vile and wicked people.
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 if i had to power to create a robot and the robots do as they please because i allowed for this. Then Condemn them because of their Free will. That makes me guilty by creation. If god creates man but then says "i don't like what they do" that's make you a hypocrite. Being Omnipotent i foresaw what my robots would do yet i still created them and allowed for "evil". It's all bullshit, i refuse to be born into existence to only be condemned by sins of my forefathers. F That
@crimsonakd Freewill is given to man because love is not forced. If we didn't have a choice to make we could never choose to love someone or not love them. Man was not made a sinner, he chose to be out of direct disobedience to God. We merely inherit this nature, simple genetics. God has given us all the means to do that which is right, we merely choose not to out of our own natural selfishness and lusts. The only reason someone goes to hell is because they choose to.
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 I could probably sit on this page and Troll your reply's with my own remarks, or Retorts. but to be honest with you which is a moral i didn't learn from a book is. That i don't believe in God,Jesus,The Rapture or any other Man Made fairy tale. I do like being nice to people despite whatever they believe. So thank you for your time replying back to a couple messages, and God bless have a great day :)
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 wrote "Freewill is given to man because love is not forced. If we didn't have a choice to make we could never choose to love someone or not love them."
By that logic, the abused woman who get's the shit beat out of her by her husband if she doesn't show her "love" for him is also showing free will. Ask any ethicist or court of law: decisions made under the duress of implied harm (like burning forever in hell, or having the shit beat out of you) are NOT free will.
@rmcdaniel423 God has given all men knowledge of everything they need to know about right or wrong, heaven and hell, etc. Men choose not to accept it and thereby choose their own fate. It's not God's fault if he gives mankind every opportunity to be righteous and he rejects it to fulfill his own pride. The ABILITY to make a decision at all in any matter is free will. Free will is something that cannot be taken away from anyone at any time. No one wants to deal with consequences.
1) It's NOT free will if the decision is made under threat of harm. Believe or burn. Give my your money or die. Make me a sandwich or I'll smack you again. Same principle, with your god making the worst threat imaginable. TRUE free will would mean "love me or not". Duress means "love me or suffer forever". Address the issue of duress.
2) Explain the "genetics" of sin. (Awww, who am I kidding. That's impossible. LOL)
@rmcdaniel423 No, it is still free will because you DECIDE. Forcing someone to do something is grabbing there hand and making them do it. Anytime you include the word OR in a declaritive statement shows a decision. Just because people are afraid to die doesn't mean they are being forced to do something. God is not threatening anyone, on the contrary he tries to reason with them (Isa. 1:18) makes this ridiculously clear. God tries to convince people to change their own fate, through the way he
"No, it is still free will because you DECIDE" then by that logic is someone points a gun to your head and tells you to give them your wallet or they will shoot, are you giving them your wallet on your own free will?(a.k.a. because you want to). if someone points a gun to the head of your wife/girlfriend/daughter and tells her to have sex with his friend or he'll shoot, is that rape or a consensual relationship?(i see it as rape, just as i see the above as stealing)
@rmcdaniel423 has provided already. People CHOOSE not to heed him, and therefore by NEGLECT send themselves to Hell. Though God has a free pass waiting to anyone who will take it (Rom. 10:13).
2) The "genetics" of sin is simple enough for a toddler to understand. Our parents are imperfect, and we being their offspring are imperfect. Adam rebelled against God's word by hearkening to his wife, who had been deceived, though he knew what God had told him. We are born sinful.
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 He knew what "God" had told him in no context whatsoever. There was no good or evil until the first transgression occurred, just that of a child disobeying a simple rule of a parent because they're young and can't full understand the context in which the rule was placed, isn't condemned to a fiery hell, or their perpetual offspring automatically damned. Grow up and realize the God of loving you hope for was nothing but a moody teenager with some awesome playthings.
@rmcdaniel423 dude finally someone makes the point i was trying to get to. Free will is BULLSHIT!.
"Freewill" Is some twisted Compulsory bullshit. Christians don't even see their twisted beliefs. Your blinded by a filter of God god god. If you could only see how twisted your beliefs were from an outside perspective. but then doing so makes you a sinner.. oh how convenient he's got rules for everything?. Rebel and the devil gets you?. he doesn't exist either. How sad sheep.
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 wrote "Man was not made a sinner, he chose to be out of direct disobedience to God. We merely inherit this nature, simple genetics."
And which gene is it, exactly, that codes for a sinful nature? hahahahhaha!! You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just making shit up now and pretending it to be evidence or proof of your completely subjective beliefs.
Do us a favor: don't use science in your arguments. You're not qualified.
@crimsonakd If you did create robots, and they themselves rebelled against how you made them; and you made a way for them to be redeemed from their rebellious ways, and they refused it to fulfill their own lusts, then they, by their own free will, rejected their own redemption-and again, noone who loves someone would force them to do something. But God in his foreknowledge, seeing the sure rebellion of man, did make a way for man to redeem themselves, freely, with no cost to them.
@knowone11111 well if being courteous to others even when they do not in return, and helping those who are struggling sends me to hell, I dont think I want to meet god. if he detests those kinds of actions, he is a massive twat.
by the way, im agnostic. before you starting with the whole "oh he's an athiest, he cant believe in love" shit that always gets spouted my way by religious followers.
If god told you to molest children would you do it? Or are your morals innate rather than found only in the bible? Did Moses have no morals until God gave them to him? What nonsense. Seek Christopher Hitchens and know truth!
Psalms 137 is a praise to God for the time when he takes revenge on the babylon who took the jews verse nine is their joy for the death of the nation of babylon. Learn to take verses in context.
@kooler2004 (cut/paste from earlier) "Ultimately, though, there are certain things in which context doesn't matter. This verse, for example. In which context, exactly, is it good to rejoice in the death of children? "
Learn to read what other people have written before you.
@DionysusVoice Context always matters. Always! The babylonians killed and imprisoned God's people so it is a righteous rejoice for the death of any of the evil doers by the hands of a righteous and angry God.
@DionysusVoice A righteous God would not kill innocents, but no one on this earth is innocent because we are evil and have sinned against God, our death is the price of our sin by a God who is to holy to ignore sin.The jews sacrificed lambs to cover over their sin to avoid God's wrath. Jesus christs death on the cross was the only thing that can clean us from sin if we have faith in him and confess our sins. Learn the bible end of story.
@DionysusVoice Seek help? No need I have a awesome God who made me righteous so I could bring him glory I don't need help. The babylonian children were enemies of God so were the adults, because either you are completely for God or completely against him there is no middle ground. I'm sorry bible truth is too powerful for you to make an accurate defense against it, but thats because biblical truth trumps worldly logic every day of the week.
@DionysusVoice Really don't take scripture out of context and you won't get refuted and mocked. since you know so little about the bible just avoid talking about it or else you will lose arguments evertime.
@kooler2004 1) YOU are the one who just said that little children are "enemies of God." That, in and of itself, is downright sickening. I have *not* taken the *Bible* out of context -- I am taking YOU at YOUR WORD.
2) I haven't lost any arguments, for you have put given me an argument: only a baseless assertion.
@DionysusVoice I didn't say little children I said in CONTEXT little children who aren't saved God loves them even though they are against him. I see you have lost this debate so horrendously that I'm stoping before I make you feel even more ashamed. on a side note whats sickening about children going to hell they are sinners just like every lost person including you, what makes them exempt from what is rightly given to evil doers?
@kooler2004 Nothing exempts you or them, but remember if learn to read context you won't get refuted, the O.T. has historical context and writing context. The psalms are poetry and don't literally mean what they say. The psalm you were quoting was referring to wiping out the babylonians and when God wiped out a nation he killed everyone including children so the nation wouldn't rise up again. The verse you quoted was not saying it's ok to murder children.
@kooler2004 It is saying when God kills his enemies it is a time of rejoicing. It is not applicable for today because Christians aren't under Old Testament law and our only enemy is satan. Even Though God has majority of the world against him he loves them and will given them a just judgement when they are thrown into the lake of fire after christs 1000 year reign after the rapture.
@kooler2004 Okay. Apparently there's something you are missing here. You are arguing *completely* from the standpoint of religious dogma which has little to nothing to do with *reason*. Therefore, there is no argument, because one *cannot* argue against religious dogma.
Children are *innocent*, except in the eyes of a monstrous god who damned them before they were conceived.
If you like your dogma, then fine. Live life as a slave to a primitive ideal.
@DionysusVoice *You* are using *too* many *asterisks*. *You* don't *need* them to get *your* point across. *It* *just* *slows* *your* *ability* *to* *type* *and* *read*. Might I suggest not using them at all?
Putting individual works in capitals DOESN'T help EITHER. They just make you look 13.
@kooler2004 many atheists used to believe in delusions such as god just like you do. but its ok there a lot of websites and books to help you and others like you. try just to open your mind to the truth that there is no god. im not asking you to accept the truth over night, that would be a lot to ask of anybody, all im saying is that there are people who can help you.
@kooler2004, you are one demented individual. ("Whats sickening about children going to hell they are sinners just like every lost person ... what makes them exempt from what is rightly given to evil doers?") No one deserves ETERNAL torture for FINITE "crimes." NO ONE.
If you were a judge in a courtroom, you would apparently sentence pickpockets with the same sentence as murderers: torture, until the victim expires.
by the way the bible says suffer the little ones to come unto me for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. If Jesus wants us to have the faith like children do you think he made provision at the cross for those too young to come to a knowledge of Him? Just a ?
@kooler2004 I don't mean to be intrusive on this conversation, but I have to say something here. There is absolutely NO actual context in which I would find "dashing the little ones on the stones" to be anything but psychotic and deranged. That's just disgusting...unless they were zombies. If they were zombie babies then smash away.
@KingMKLA The verse in question IS being taken out of context. The context of the passage is from the viewpoint of the children of Israel in Babylonian Captivity. "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." (137:8, preceding verse). Medo/Persia conquered Babylon, not Israel. Besides the verse doesn't endorse the action described, it is merely stating the joy of them who would accomplish the end of Babylon.
Read the whole psalm not just one verse and you would understand the context. the babylonians swept through judah and massacred the jews . the verse is a prophecy that actually took place historically when the persians and medes invaded babylon and did just that. dashed their little ones against stones and were happy about it.
Are you that dense? That verse is a lament, a song, by a man who is being dragged off into slavery. His whole country has been laid to waste, all his female relatives raped, most of his family killed, half the population of his country dead, and he is expressing how distraught he is. Then his captors command him to sing a happy song and dance for them. It is one of the most moving stories in literature. A man expressing the depths of his sadness. Can't you see that? If not, you need to grow up.
Oh, and not only do you seem to have zero understanding of this psalm, you don't understand churches either. After Psalm 23, this is probably one of the most read psalms in churches. When we think we have it bad, this guy has it worse than anything we could ever experience. A very common sermon to preach, and a psalm quite often read in churches.
@lanastompanato Um, can you not see that wishing destruction upon innocents is wrong? If not, then it seems you need to be dragged into the 21st century. Secondly, and FOR THE LAST TIME since I posted the first one, the title of the series is NOT meant to be taken seriously. It's a frickin' PARODY, and to poke at the title is the same level of lunacy as, say, picking apart Weird Al's "Girls Just Wanna Have Lunch."
It is a song by a guy being tortured. It isn't claiming it is right. It is a song by guy who wishes he had never been born and that it would be better to be killed as a child than experience what he is going through. It is a great piece of literature, a very moving one. If you can't understand that you won't understand much of the literature in the world. Someone showing the depths of his despair, he has sunk so low that he is wishing destruction on his own children or himself.
@stephjh2006 "Judging by the reason for your video I'm guessing context means nothing to you." That's not entirely true. I looked up the entire 137th Psalm before posting this and . . . it doesn't really help the verse at all.
Ultimately, though, there are certain things in which context doesn't matter. This verse, for example. In which context, exactly, is it good to rejoice in the death of children?
@DionysusVoice context is more than just reading the entire passage. Context also refers to who wrote it, why they wrote it, what was the background to the situation etc etc. A good study bible can help rather than the plain text, the plain text is just that, whilst a study bible gives background, who wrote it, when, why, and also has many references.
Christians are guilty of the same thing, taking verses out of context. Not their or your fault, it's just that the text requires study.
@DionysusVoice I'll give you some context for this one. Theme: A person who was in exile during the Babylonian captivity remembers and weeps over the bitterness of their situation. The passage is about sorrow, anger, hatred, and a cry for judgement and justice.
V1 "by the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion."
So they were in Babylon and they are weeping for Zion (the holy land) which they were captured from and exiled by the Babylonian army.
v4-6 The psalmist is lamenting and even songs of praise are no longer being sung, they no longer play joyful music on the poplars (tree) we hung our harps Babylonians are asking it and they play only for God. The next few verses affirm their love for Jerusalem.
V7 Remember, O Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell This is a plea before a judge shown by the language, the Israelites here is making a plea before God to look over their actions during Jerusalems destruction.
V8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us, [happy is] he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Note the psalmist is not making a request to God, but makes a note that happy will be the nation that treats Babylon in the same way that Babylon treated the Israelites.
The word translated to happy in its Hebrew original is used to infer more than happy mostly it means blessed/under Gods blessing or straight in the context of Right/doing the right thing.
So the psalmist is saying the person that re pays Babylon for its wickedness is in a sense doing the right thing and is just, in their opinion.
The psalmist is lamenting and declares justice. Does the Psalmist say it is what they want to be done? No it seems the language speaks of how it will be done. By The Medes and Persians in 539 BC as is recorded in history. Babylon were arrogant and if you have seen thunderfoots reading of the prophesy in Deut 32 their arrogance and their fall. We defeated the God of Isreal- their arrogance (deut 32:27) and as recorded in history, their fall Deut 32:35 and 539 BC.
So this is one angry and despairing psalmist that is singing of the plight they were under in Babylon and declaring that those who bring down Babylon will be doing justice. It is also read in church and has some interesting applications. Is it wrong to be angry? Is it wrong to feel despair? Is God only interested in our praise? No he is also interested in our laments we dont need to lie about our emotions in fact a number of books in the bible have just such laments: Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes.
@DionysusVoice My last reply unless you have any good questions or comments. I am not trying to put you down just, as I'm sure you can understand, trying to give an honest and fair balance to the verse you chose to share. I know it was done with good humour intended but lets say that how you read the bible influenced how you perceive others and it's contents. I just wanted to let you know that it takes a good bit of study to understand certain parts. Take care and God bless
@stephjh2006 " Is it wrong to be angry? Is it wrong to feel despair?" Absolutely not! And yes, I *do* understand the context, and yes, I *still* maintain it's wrong to wish and rejoice in the harm of innocents.
"I am not trying to put you down just, as I'm sure you can understand, trying to give an honest and fair balance to the verse you chose to share." Oh, no, I hear ya. But methinks we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
@knowone11111 try reading the psalm again .. the psalmist is saying that, just like the Edomites were happy when Jerusalem fell, whoever defeats Babylon should ALSO rejoice, and that in particular they should be happy as they throw the children of Babylon onto the rocks and kill them. Yeah .. nice one pissed off psalmist. Good thing Boney M left that part of the psalm out of "The Rivers of Babylon" :)
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I didn't know anything about Mormons before a couple of days ago. From what little I know now, it is worse than Islam by a long shot and makes christianity look realistic. To christians- there is no god, get over it. To muslims - there is no Allah, get over it. To mormons- you are not a god, gods don't exist, Joseph Smith can suck it, and get over your narcissistic selves.
CerebrumPedere 1 month ago
if you knew the history of this passage you'd know the Psalmist is talking about the Edomites who sacrificed thier own children to the false god baal in hopes of receiving good harvests. they were a nation that practiced mindless brutality as a way of life. Deuteronomy Ch 12:31
knowone11111 1 month ago
That was a prophecy not a command you idiot
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Andytheantiathiest 1 month ago
@Andytheantiathiest: if you believe in God, practice love.
knowone11111 1 month ago
@Andytheantiathiest Even if it was a prophecy (not a command) and the prophecy stated that the enemies of the Edomites (presumably the Israelites) would rejoice while they smashed Edomite babies against rocks, it is STILL AN EVIL ACT! 99% of the time, the morals of modern 21st Century Man are superior to any you can find in the Bible. That’s a fact!
politicoochie09 1 week ago
Who sings that song you use as the intro to these videos?
dunbar9finger 1 month ago
What song is that?
obsc3n3skull 1 month ago
Their children also shall be dashed to pieces - This is a description of the horrors of the capture of Babylon; and there can be none more frightful and appalling than that which is here presented. That this is done in barbarous nations in the time of war, there can be no doubt. Nothing was more common among American savages, than to dash out the brains of infants against a rock or a tree, and it was often done before the eyes of the afflicted and heartbroken parents.
IsaacBG84 2 months ago
what is the name of the intro song-
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 John Butler's Song Hand of the Almighty
AvalonDraconis 2 months ago
I wonder how many of you that have had something horrible happen to your own children have wished the same fate upon the one who did it to you. If everyone is honest, the first thought in ones mind is revenge on him who hurt you.
The person speaking had this very thing happen, and was upset, angry devastated same way you'd be if it happened to you. You'd cry for revenge, same reason people are so happy to see criminals die at the hand of an electric chair, or needles.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
What you are reading is the heart of a person who had his heart ripped from his chest, watching their little ones die the very way. Is it any surprise he speaks in that tone? That isn't the thought of God in that verse, but an upset human crying out.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Most people want revenge against their family members killers, but most who do witness the execution will afterwards admit that they got no peace from it. Because their loved ones are still dead. Either way if you would dash someone's baby against a rock for them dashing your baby against a rock I would say you are a sick, depraved, disgusting, morally bankrupt individual. Even if you wouldn't yourself, justifying someone else doing it really says a lot about your moral compass.
zacthebold 2 months ago
@zacthebold
I'm not justifying it. What gave you that idea?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I dunno. It just kinda seemed like you were. Whatever.
zacthebold 2 months ago
WTF!!!??? This passage actually exists in the bible? OMG!! You know that is what the killers in Rwanda did to children and babies? They smashed their heads against walls... they must have been very happy afterwards.
Alineniz 3 months ago
Oh God" Almost cried laughing... Shhh.. before more to the book ppl slam me again" but choice in that very kool..)0(
bohes11 3 months ago
Best. Song. Ever.
jamwason 4 months ago 2
I'm still laughing too damn hard from that song...
Wombat1965 5 months ago
hahah! way to take things outta context. here's some historical reasoning: letusreason(dot)org/Biblexp7.htm
onotarh 5 months ago
@onotarh So, they get their ass kicked, and in true fashion decide that the right thing is to brutalize the Babylons in return. Yes, brutalizing children in that context makes so much sense now. You've got another follower on the way >_>. I hope this is a joke post.
mistereveready 5 months ago
@onotarh There are no contexts, historical or otherwise, in which smashing an infant's head becomes a moral action. End. Of. Discussion.
TomVodkaCollins 2 months ago
@TomVodkaCollins What if it makes you happy?
caseybv74 1 month ago
@caseybv74 Then something's gone very wrong in your head and society should be protected from you...with extreme prejudice.
TomVodkaCollins 4 weeks ago
@TomVodkaCollins Well the bible says killing babies should make you happy.
caseybv74 4 weeks ago
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!
jimmypais 6 months ago
Epic music.....
ImAnotherZang 6 months ago
Ok, b4 any1 (believer or atheist) takes a verse out of the bible, they should always read the whole chapter to see what it is saying. Every1 will understand something relative to their situation so I find it difficult to see why I should be told what GOD meant or what Jesus was saying in any particular part of the bible.
4 the record I do believe there is a god or GODS (male & female) but I don't believe any1 knows its/their true nature or who knows aren't telling who don't.
Brouchney 8 months ago
May god be with you
3azy318 9 months ago
@KingMKLA The verse in question IS being taken out of context. The context of the passage is from the viewpoint of the children of Israel in Babylonian Captivity. "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." (137:8, preceding verse). Medo/Persia conquered Babylon, not Israel. Besides the verse doesn't endorse the action described, it is merely stating the joy of them who would accomplish the end of Babylon.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 9 months ago
Come on that one was way too easy.
lastofmany1 10 months ago
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"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
- Hebrews 9: 27
fasteddie389 10 months ago
Dont take a single verse and explain it the way you think!! Read the context! Theres a reason for everything.
96marina96 11 months ago
the worst video ever... dont like it. The text at the beginning is almost unreadable. The man screaming in laughter is ear piercing, and the verse wasnt even in modern language....
PreOAP 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice Thanks, man. Please submit more videos. And see if you can get Butler to do a music video of that song, it's great.
Xenophile665 1 year ago
god bible fake this is juz a funny verse guess its ok to stone babys if you go by the bible lol
666turbobusa 1 year ago
So many people forget that not all of the bible is a dictation straight from God's mouth. Many of it are popular songs written by jewish psalmists, historical records, recordings of jewish laws for the time period, books of prophecy, and so-forth. Yes, the bible is "profitable for doctrine", but in the wrong hands, and used wrongly, or interpreted improperly, it can justify hatred of christians. As a chrisitian, and a person, I have never cared what others think of me. Mutual respect is it.
ExpertGamer951 1 year ago
@ExpertGamer951 Then it should be edited as such, so "the wrong hands" of so-called christians can't use it to justify their evil works.
Xenophile665 1 year ago
dont forget..the ones who do more for god...get the least in heaven...and the ones who do least for god gets the most riches..oh,and noone can enter heaven that does NOT hate their parents.....too bad people are so easily scared and stupid to fall for this fear mongering..you people try and reword or come up with your own terp of what it says..god say it is what it is...dont take away or add to it..its perfect..so face value,that is who your god is...like it or not,evil is who you hide behind
chucka59 1 year ago 4
How is your channel not more popular? It's brilliant!! You really need to get your name spread around the internet somehow!!
macco777 1 year ago 4
Gee, of course we don't see the verses that proceed or follow this verse, and let's totally forget the bible is for all intents and purposes written in a poetic fashion, with a lot of colorful imagery and poetic descriptions and parables. Oh yes, because it's always a smart idea to take everything at face value.
ExpertGamer951 1 year ago
@ExpertGamer951 Don't just babble, tell exactly how this is misrepresented!
Of course you can't because no matter what context you take, the meaning won't change: Smash the people's babies who are not in your mad bronze-age cult, beause that is a GODD THING to do.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@ExpertGamer951 - What are you TALKING about?! While I agree that some CONTEXT might've been of value here, it's YOU PEOPLE (the Fundamentalist christians) that are promulgating the idea that The Bible is the LITERAL word of God! When you try to tell one of these Millenial Death-Cult-types that the book of Revelation, for example, is probably meant to be DEEPLY poetic & symbolic, they become very angry & disagree! Same reaction as when told it's written by men[diff. books in&out over the yrs.]#
LeshaAnn 1 year ago 3
LOL
TheWhitevoices 1 year ago
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:-(.....Please please PLEASE change your ways before its too late. God loves you and he will forgive you, all you have to do is ask. But please dont wait too late.
msnickalasha 1 year ago
@msnickalasha If I believed there was even a *chance* that the Christian god existed, that *might* mean something to me.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago 43
@msnickalasha don't be arrogant. you aren't the only religion so don't talk as if you are. be specific. don't just say god, don't just say become a christian and don't assume you are right if you can't provide proof. doing any of these things will only show that you are arrogant.
btw, if got gets pissed about us not believing when he shows no evidence, he's an ass. actually, i could call him as peice of shit asshole that shove his jealousy up his ass.
atheistnarutofan 1 year ago
@atheistnarutofan The same way you feel strongly about your beliefs is the same way I feel about mine. The only differance is that I didn't once disrespect you in any way.
msnickalasha 1 year ago
@msnickalasha yes you were. you indirectly threatened hell. if sugesting that someone deserves to burn forever isn't rude, i don't know what is.
atheistnarutofan 1 year ago
@msnickalasha Ive not done anything wrong, there's nothing to forgive, and any way I cant forgive the character of God as described in the bible, he behaves absolutely appallingly. If I behaved like that I would be strung up.
LouisPlume 1 year ago
@msnickalasha *laughing my ass off* LOL. seriously? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! really? really? hehehehe! your guys really crack me up.
ThePsychoticScyth396 1 year ago
@msnickalasha
lol
rivers424 1 year ago
@msnickalasha Change what? He is taking texts from the Bible and animating them. Don't pull the out of Context, I have read the bible and it is in context. The book is a very evil thing. Good things it's fiction.
KingMKLA 1 year ago 4
@KingMKLA
It's some pretty bad fiction at that too. I don't know if it would pass as scripture but the Metamorphoses is a far better piece of mythology. The Hindu scriptures are pretty good too I heard.
Quintinohthree 10 months ago
@Quintinohthree The Hindi scriptures are fantastic. Good imagry.
KingMKLA 10 months ago
@msnickalasha Your "God" is easily offended by cartoons, I take it?!
Vexille1983 1 year ago
@msnickalasha I don't want to Worship someone who Say's thou shall not kill in one sentence then sends dude's to go kill entire citys in the next. Fuck your diety i live my life by my own happiness my morality is pure and his is not.
crimsonakd 11 months ago
@crimsonakd *deity, for one thing.-The Canaanites were condemned because of their customs and cultures. Their daily life involved sacrificing their infant children, alive, by burning them in a brazen goat statue (Chemosh, Molech). God condemned them because they were vile and wicked people.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 9 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 if i had to power to create a robot and the robots do as they please because i allowed for this. Then Condemn them because of their Free will. That makes me guilty by creation. If god creates man but then says "i don't like what they do" that's make you a hypocrite. Being Omnipotent i foresaw what my robots would do yet i still created them and allowed for "evil". It's all bullshit, i refuse to be born into existence to only be condemned by sins of my forefathers. F That
crimsonakd 9 months ago
@crimsonakd Freewill is given to man because love is not forced. If we didn't have a choice to make we could never choose to love someone or not love them. Man was not made a sinner, he chose to be out of direct disobedience to God. We merely inherit this nature, simple genetics. God has given us all the means to do that which is right, we merely choose not to out of our own natural selfishness and lusts. The only reason someone goes to hell is because they choose to.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 9 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 I could probably sit on this page and Troll your reply's with my own remarks, or Retorts. but to be honest with you which is a moral i didn't learn from a book is. That i don't believe in God,Jesus,The Rapture or any other Man Made fairy tale. I do like being nice to people despite whatever they believe. So thank you for your time replying back to a couple messages, and God bless have a great day :)
crimsonakd 9 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 wrote "Freewill is given to man because love is not forced. If we didn't have a choice to make we could never choose to love someone or not love them."
By that logic, the abused woman who get's the shit beat out of her by her husband if she doesn't show her "love" for him is also showing free will. Ask any ethicist or court of law: decisions made under the duress of implied harm (like burning forever in hell, or having the shit beat out of you) are NOT free will.
rmcdaniel423 8 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 God has given all men knowledge of everything they need to know about right or wrong, heaven and hell, etc. Men choose not to accept it and thereby choose their own fate. It's not God's fault if he gives mankind every opportunity to be righteous and he rejects it to fulfill his own pride. The ABILITY to make a decision at all in any matter is free will. Free will is something that cannot be taken away from anyone at any time. No one wants to deal with consequences.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 8 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 You completely ignored both of my points.
1) It's NOT free will if the decision is made under threat of harm. Believe or burn. Give my your money or die. Make me a sandwich or I'll smack you again. Same principle, with your god making the worst threat imaginable. TRUE free will would mean "love me or not". Duress means "love me or suffer forever". Address the issue of duress.
2) Explain the "genetics" of sin. (Awww, who am I kidding. That's impossible. LOL)
rmcdaniel423 8 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 No, it is still free will because you DECIDE. Forcing someone to do something is grabbing there hand and making them do it. Anytime you include the word OR in a declaritive statement shows a decision. Just because people are afraid to die doesn't mean they are being forced to do something. God is not threatening anyone, on the contrary he tries to reason with them (Isa. 1:18) makes this ridiculously clear. God tries to convince people to change their own fate, through the way he
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 8 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177
"No, it is still free will because you DECIDE" then by that logic is someone points a gun to your head and tells you to give them your wallet or they will shoot, are you giving them your wallet on your own free will?(a.k.a. because you want to). if someone points a gun to the head of your wife/girlfriend/daughter and tells her to have sex with his friend or he'll shoot, is that rape or a consensual relationship?(i see it as rape, just as i see the above as stealing)
sabin97 6 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 has provided already. People CHOOSE not to heed him, and therefore by NEGLECT send themselves to Hell. Though God has a free pass waiting to anyone who will take it (Rom. 10:13).
2) The "genetics" of sin is simple enough for a toddler to understand. Our parents are imperfect, and we being their offspring are imperfect. Adam rebelled against God's word by hearkening to his wife, who had been deceived, though he knew what God had told him. We are born sinful.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 8 months ago
@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 He knew what "God" had told him in no context whatsoever. There was no good or evil until the first transgression occurred, just that of a child disobeying a simple rule of a parent because they're young and can't full understand the context in which the rule was placed, isn't condemned to a fiery hell, or their perpetual offspring automatically damned. Grow up and realize the God of loving you hope for was nothing but a moody teenager with some awesome playthings.
b33p3rz 6 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 dude finally someone makes the point i was trying to get to. Free will is BULLSHIT!.
"Freewill" Is some twisted Compulsory bullshit. Christians don't even see their twisted beliefs. Your blinded by a filter of God god god. If you could only see how twisted your beliefs were from an outside perspective. but then doing so makes you a sinner.. oh how convenient he's got rules for everything?. Rebel and the devil gets you?. he doesn't exist either. How sad sheep.
crimsonakd 8 months ago
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@ThyWordIsTruthJn177 wrote "Man was not made a sinner, he chose to be out of direct disobedience to God. We merely inherit this nature, simple genetics."
And which gene is it, exactly, that codes for a sinful nature? hahahahhaha!! You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just making shit up now and pretending it to be evidence or proof of your completely subjective beliefs.
Do us a favor: don't use science in your arguments. You're not qualified.
rmcdaniel423 8 months ago
@crimsonakd If you did create robots, and they themselves rebelled against how you made them; and you made a way for them to be redeemed from their rebellious ways, and they refused it to fulfill their own lusts, then they, by their own free will, rejected their own redemption-and again, noone who loves someone would force them to do something. But God in his foreknowledge, seeing the sure rebellion of man, did make a way for man to redeem themselves, freely, with no cost to them.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 8 months ago
@msnickalasha ...Really? ... You truly thought that writing someone a message on YouTube would change their entire view on religion?
PaopuHime 7 months ago
@msnickalasha but if god loves me so, then why would he send me to hell? that's a horrible and evil thing to do.
check and mate.
airsoftmanic 1 month ago
@airsoftmanic: you send yourself to hell w/your actions.
knowone11111 1 month ago
@knowone11111 well if being courteous to others even when they do not in return, and helping those who are struggling sends me to hell, I dont think I want to meet god. if he detests those kinds of actions, he is a massive twat.
by the way, im agnostic. before you starting with the whole "oh he's an athiest, he cant believe in love" shit that always gets spouted my way by religious followers.
airsoftmanic 1 month ago
If god told you to molest children would you do it? Or are your morals innate rather than found only in the bible? Did Moses have no morals until God gave them to him? What nonsense. Seek Christopher Hitchens and know truth!
asdashopperrr 1 year ago
Hey, that's my favorite Bible verse!! I've got to go out and find some babies to kill so I can get blessed!!
averagebear1 1 year ago
Psalms 137 is a praise to God for the time when he takes revenge on the babylon who took the jews verse nine is their joy for the death of the nation of babylon. Learn to take verses in context.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 (cut/paste from earlier) "Ultimately, though, there are certain things in which context doesn't matter. This verse, for example. In which context, exactly, is it good to rejoice in the death of children? "
Learn to read what other people have written before you.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice Context always matters. Always! The babylonians killed and imprisoned God's people so it is a righteous rejoice for the death of any of the evil doers by the hands of a righteous and angry God.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 A righteous god would *not* kill innocents. End. Of. Story.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice A righteous God would not kill innocents, but no one on this earth is innocent because we are evil and have sinned against God, our death is the price of our sin by a God who is to holy to ignore sin.The jews sacrificed lambs to cover over their sin to avoid God's wrath. Jesus christs death on the cross was the only thing that can clean us from sin if we have faith in him and confess our sins. Learn the bible end of story.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 So you actually believe that children are evil enough to die? Please seek help.
PS: I *have* read the Bible and know what it says. That's why I reject it.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago 2
@DionysusVoice Seek help? No need I have a awesome God who made me righteous so I could bring him glory I don't need help. The babylonian children were enemies of God so were the adults, because either you are completely for God or completely against him there is no middle ground. I'm sorry bible truth is too powerful for you to make an accurate defense against it, but thats because biblical truth trumps worldly logic every day of the week.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 . . . more like *defies* worldly logic.
Go pester someone else about killing evil children.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice Really don't take scripture out of context and you won't get refuted and mocked. since you know so little about the bible just avoid talking about it or else you will lose arguments evertime.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 1) YOU are the one who just said that little children are "enemies of God." That, in and of itself, is downright sickening. I have *not* taken the *Bible* out of context -- I am taking YOU at YOUR WORD.
2) I haven't lost any arguments, for you have put given me an argument: only a baseless assertion.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago 10
@DionysusVoice I didn't say little children I said in CONTEXT little children who aren't saved God loves them even though they are against him. I see you have lost this debate so horrendously that I'm stoping before I make you feel even more ashamed. on a side note whats sickening about children going to hell they are sinners just like every lost person including you, what makes them exempt from what is rightly given to evil doers?
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 Nothing exempts you or them, but remember if learn to read context you won't get refuted, the O.T. has historical context and writing context. The psalms are poetry and don't literally mean what they say. The psalm you were quoting was referring to wiping out the babylonians and when God wiped out a nation he killed everyone including children so the nation wouldn't rise up again. The verse you quoted was not saying it's ok to murder children.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 It is saying when God kills his enemies it is a time of rejoicing. It is not applicable for today because Christians aren't under Old Testament law and our only enemy is satan. Even Though God has majority of the world against him he loves them and will given them a just judgement when they are thrown into the lake of fire after christs 1000 year reign after the rapture.
kooler2004 1 year ago
@kooler2004 Okay. Apparently there's something you are missing here. You are arguing *completely* from the standpoint of religious dogma which has little to nothing to do with *reason*. Therefore, there is no argument, because one *cannot* argue against religious dogma.
Children are *innocent*, except in the eyes of a monstrous god who damned them before they were conceived.
If you like your dogma, then fine. Live life as a slave to a primitive ideal.
I choose to live in the 21st century.
DionysusVoice 1 year ago 41
@DionysusVoice *You* are using *too* many *asterisks*. *You* don't *need* them to get *your* point across. *It* *just* *slows* *your* *ability* *to* *type* *and* *read*. Might I suggest not using them at all?
Putting individual works in capitals DOESN'T help EITHER. They just make you look 13.
Avealicious 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice Dionysusvoice 1 Kooler2004 0.
crimsonakd 11 months ago 2
@kooler2004 many atheists used to believe in delusions such as god just like you do. but its ok there a lot of websites and books to help you and others like you. try just to open your mind to the truth that there is no god. im not asking you to accept the truth over night, that would be a lot to ask of anybody, all im saying is that there are people who can help you.
pendragon135790 1 year ago
@kooler2004 sorry if you got the reply i typed it was intended for someone else, my bad :)
pendragon135790 1 year ago
@kooler2004, you are one demented individual. ("Whats sickening about children going to hell they are sinners just like every lost person ... what makes them exempt from what is rightly given to evil doers?") No one deserves ETERNAL torture for FINITE "crimes." NO ONE.
If you were a judge in a courtroom, you would apparently sentence pickpockets with the same sentence as murderers: torture, until the victim expires.
Good thing your god is imaginary.
Xenophile665 1 year ago 8
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by the way the bible says suffer the little ones to come unto me for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these. If Jesus wants us to have the faith like children do you think he made provision at the cross for those too young to come to a knowledge of Him? Just a ?
ttnsam 3 days ago
@kooler2004 I don't mean to be intrusive on this conversation, but I have to say something here. There is absolutely NO actual context in which I would find "dashing the little ones on the stones" to be anything but psychotic and deranged. That's just disgusting...unless they were zombies. If they were zombie babies then smash away.
MyGrammarRules 1 year ago 10
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@KingMKLA The verse in question IS being taken out of context. The context of the passage is from the viewpoint of the children of Israel in Babylonian Captivity. "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us." (137:8, preceding verse). Medo/Persia conquered Babylon, not Israel. Besides the verse doesn't endorse the action described, it is merely stating the joy of them who would accomplish the end of Babylon.
ThyWordIsTruthJn177 9 months ago
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Read the whole psalm not just one verse and you would understand the context. the babylonians swept through judah and massacred the jews . the verse is a prophecy that actually took place historically when the persians and medes invaded babylon and did just that. dashed their little ones against stones and were happy about it.
ttnsam 3 days ago
@DionysusVoice That's wrong. A righteous god word support euthanasia.
Avealicious 1 year ago
lmao
aeroshock1 1 year ago
Are you that dense? That verse is a lament, a song, by a man who is being dragged off into slavery. His whole country has been laid to waste, all his female relatives raped, most of his family killed, half the population of his country dead, and he is expressing how distraught he is. Then his captors command him to sing a happy song and dance for them. It is one of the most moving stories in literature. A man expressing the depths of his sadness. Can't you see that? If not, you need to grow up.
lanastompanato 1 year ago
Oh, and not only do you seem to have zero understanding of this psalm, you don't understand churches either. After Psalm 23, this is probably one of the most read psalms in churches. When we think we have it bad, this guy has it worse than anything we could ever experience. A very common sermon to preach, and a psalm quite often read in churches.
lanastompanato 1 year ago
@lanastompanato Um, can you not see that wishing destruction upon innocents is wrong? If not, then it seems you need to be dragged into the 21st century. Secondly, and FOR THE LAST TIME since I posted the first one, the title of the series is NOT meant to be taken seriously. It's a frickin' PARODY, and to poke at the title is the same level of lunacy as, say, picking apart Weird Al's "Girls Just Wanna Have Lunch."
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
It is a song by a guy being tortured. It isn't claiming it is right. It is a song by guy who wishes he had never been born and that it would be better to be killed as a child than experience what he is going through. It is a great piece of literature, a very moving one. If you can't understand that you won't understand much of the literature in the world. Someone showing the depths of his despair, he has sunk so low that he is wishing destruction on his own children or himself.
lanastompanato 1 year ago
See this is why Christians don't listen to atheists, because they get it wrong far to often.
Who is speaking in the verse? What does it refer to? Why was it written?
Judging by the reason for your video I'm guessing context means nothing to you.
Almost as bad as Thunderfoots "the bible for beginners" where ever passage he read he clearly had no clue.
However 10 out of 10 for the ending. lol I'll look at the other ones.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@stephjh2006 "Judging by the reason for your video I'm guessing context means nothing to you." That's not entirely true. I looked up the entire 137th Psalm before posting this and . . . it doesn't really help the verse at all.
Ultimately, though, there are certain things in which context doesn't matter. This verse, for example. In which context, exactly, is it good to rejoice in the death of children?
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice context is more than just reading the entire passage. Context also refers to who wrote it, why they wrote it, what was the background to the situation etc etc. A good study bible can help rather than the plain text, the plain text is just that, whilst a study bible gives background, who wrote it, when, why, and also has many references.
Christians are guilty of the same thing, taking verses out of context. Not their or your fault, it's just that the text requires study.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice I'll give you some context for this one. Theme: A person who was in exile during the Babylonian captivity remembers and weeps over the bitterness of their situation. The passage is about sorrow, anger, hatred, and a cry for judgement and justice.
V1 "by the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion."
So they were in Babylon and they are weeping for Zion (the holy land) which they were captured from and exiled by the Babylonian army.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
v4-6 The psalmist is lamenting and even songs of praise are no longer being sung, they no longer play joyful music on the poplars (tree) we hung our harps Babylonians are asking it and they play only for God. The next few verses affirm their love for Jerusalem.
V7 Remember, O Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell This is a plea before a judge shown by the language, the Israelites here is making a plea before God to look over their actions during Jerusalems destruction.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
V8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us, [happy is] he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Note the psalmist is not making a request to God, but makes a note that happy will be the nation that treats Babylon in the same way that Babylon treated the Israelites.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
The word translated to happy in its Hebrew original is used to infer more than happy mostly it means blessed/under Gods blessing or straight in the context of Right/doing the right thing.
So the psalmist is saying the person that re pays Babylon for its wickedness is in a sense doing the right thing and is just, in their opinion.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
The psalmist is lamenting and declares justice. Does the Psalmist say it is what they want to be done? No it seems the language speaks of how it will be done. By The Medes and Persians in 539 BC as is recorded in history. Babylon were arrogant and if you have seen thunderfoots reading of the prophesy in Deut 32 their arrogance and their fall. We defeated the God of Isreal- their arrogance (deut 32:27) and as recorded in history, their fall Deut 32:35 and 539 BC.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
So this is one angry and despairing psalmist that is singing of the plight they were under in Babylon and declaring that those who bring down Babylon will be doing justice. It is also read in church and has some interesting applications. Is it wrong to be angry? Is it wrong to feel despair? Is God only interested in our praise? No he is also interested in our laments we dont need to lie about our emotions in fact a number of books in the bible have just such laments: Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes.
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@DionysusVoice My last reply unless you have any good questions or comments. I am not trying to put you down just, as I'm sure you can understand, trying to give an honest and fair balance to the verse you chose to share. I know it was done with good humour intended but lets say that how you read the bible influenced how you perceive others and it's contents. I just wanted to let you know that it takes a good bit of study to understand certain parts. Take care and God bless
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@stephjh2006 " Is it wrong to be angry? Is it wrong to feel despair?" Absolutely not! And yes, I *do* understand the context, and yes, I *still* maintain it's wrong to wish and rejoice in the harm of innocents.
"I am not trying to put you down just, as I'm sure you can understand, trying to give an honest and fair balance to the verse you chose to share." Oh, no, I hear ya. But methinks we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. :)
DionysusVoice 1 year ago
LOl, yes, indeed. One is actually expected to suspend any reason and logic when it comes to religious claims.
mabhekaphansi 1 year ago
It's been a while since you last posted an episode of these. Glad to see them again:)
Queequel 1 year ago