#95 - Some VSPB cell assembly details up close

[adeelrizvi2]

Hello sir,

From where i can buy these plates? is there any online shopping store from where i can buy this ?. I dont live in USA..

Or if you can make one cell for me and take the money from me and send it to me via some service to Pakistan.

waiting for your reply.

thank you

[Blinger101]

Have you considered using a single piece of acrylic for the side pieces (with the top and bottom of the acrylic bent around the steel plates)? There's a neat device I know of that uses a thin wire which has voltage run through it to heat it up (much like in a toaster). The acrylic is placed over top, with the wire heating the acrylic to the point where you can bend it easily.

I'm thinking this would be much more secure than multiple acrylic pieces glued together.

[OsamaBinForgotten2]

Just a suggestion for the braces, use a pair of triangular pieces of plastic on the edges of the bottom braces to form an A bracket.

[denver395]

Thank you for the details. I built my first cell out of enthusiasm, with fender washers, lock washers and 3 1/2 inch 5/16 bolt... and was not pleased with the results. Your style of design with neg.plates will be my next project. Keep posting-we will catch up soon. Denver395

[CoolBooster]

EasyTBear is right, you need efficiency, not volume. If you are producing 1 LPM at 40 amps, you will be use lots of power to make 40 amps. I use 10 to 15 amps to produce 1 LPM. Multi cells run in series work the best to lower heat. Many cells are to complicated, make multi cell units with 2 to 3 volts per cell.

I like using baking soda, because it is not dangerous. Caustic soda is a much better electrolyte, much less is required and it doesn't gunk up your cells like baking soda.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

ebay

[dahduke]

wow great work , are you running your car totaly on hho ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

not even close

[Eragonaiedail]

hello ZFF, I have great respect for everything you are showing and experimenting with, but one question. Why are u sealing off most of the top and bottom with the acrylic,is it not better to have greater surface area for greaet h2 production. Thanks.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I refuse to answer that question.

Visit the web site. Read the FAQ.

[bigwhitebird29]

Ive viewed several videos on the vspb cell.. what lead terminals are neg and pos, what is the lead configuration?

[kpo86]

off point Little but do u make money for the adds running on your videos

thanks

Love your videos they are a big help

[ikegerto]

zero, I have found that neutral plates will reduce cell temp but also limits the reaction and therefore the amount of gas produced. I have some graphs comparing +/-, +n-, and +nnnnn- cells if it is of interest to you. I am trying to mazimise gas production but am struggling balancing this with temperature. Do you think regulating the voltage will help with this or will I just see a reduction in gas?? Any comments gratefully received.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I will not debate the benefits of neutral plates. Properly encased and insulated, they work as advertised. For more info seethe FAQ ay my web site.

alt-nrg*org

[EasyTBear]

Design your unit to use the power available. The number of cells based on the voltage. The plate size based on current density. Then you have to control heat to prevent current runaway. Efficiency is more important than gross hydroxy production.

[ikegerto]

EasyTBear, can you be more specific? I am running my unit with a 12V source ans 100x90mm plates. Playing about with no. of cells and also the gap. I want to get as much gas as possible to aid combustion so whilst efficiency is importany I need the gas!! How do you control heat to prevent the current?? I was pulling almoat 40A from my last cell but production was only approx 1LPM. Any comments would be gratefully received.

[EasyTBear]

Use neutral plates and 1/4 - 1/2 amp per square inch current density (I calculated you are using 1.43 amps per square inch at 40 amps with the plate size you stated.) Also do something to limit current leakage such like what ZeroFossilFuel does or use shrink tubing. You are limited by the available power and size of generator you can install. You are producing a lot of steam.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

ETB - You clearly have a firm grasp on the HHO game. Have you built anything yet that you can show off here?

[EasyTBear]

I have an unfinshed design using an inverted

4" PVC wye. 2 3/4" x 7 1/4" plates, 12 or 14 cells divided into two groups wired in parallel. Neutral plates, edges sealed, etc. I have a construction issue with the electrodes having to be through the sides of the tube which lends itself to leaks. I may have to go to closer spacing and back to a straight tube like you did.

[aaronisdumbusa]

how do you stack plates

[lamont22222]

zero you can use weld-on #4 or #16 which is thicker instead of goop its ready to go in about 2 minutes its what they use to bond acrylic fist tanks

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It's already on my shopping list.

Thanks for watching!

[shiba72]

is the thickness of the plate affects the efficiency of hho gas production? which is more efficient cell , the parallel plates or series plates( with nuetral plates)

[norenester]

Great vids zero. How do you feel the plastic tool dip we've all seen? Dip the edges and then there sealed. You think it'll hold up against the process? Keep up the good work.

[slider1860]

I was wondering about that stuff too!

[mikeyidh]

Do you think that .004 T316L thickness is too thin to produce hydrogen.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

yep

[mikeyidh]

Who is your SS metal supplier?

[mikeyidh]

How do you make a circuit board?

[rpierini]

Zero, could you tell us more about your EFIE? Is it a custom design?

[amen2233]

zero ,do yourself a favour when cutting plexi ...sandwich it between two layers of 3mm (1/8'') ply or hardboard (offcuts or scrap)...or stick a couple of layers of masking tape over the line you intend to cut. If your using a conventional jigsaw blade(you guys ref to as sabre saw)stick the tape on the underside ... a down cut blade ,masking tape ontop. ITs safer and gives a cleaner cut ...also use maximum speed pushing slowly.... ps i dont rate down cut blades - 50% of the time you get kickback

[Cervan]

I know you want to beable to see the interior of the cell, but when it comes to adhesives, Epoxy is superior in chemical resistance and strength, Why not use that in place of your shoe goo instead?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Read my FAQ

[F150hydro]

Great work.

[MadStu1978]

I think you should consider not using the mason jar. It's very dangerous.

[r4nd0mn4me]

I am very interested in this HOO project, and as soon as I can find enough information about the PWM I will start work on my own model. The key seems to be in the PWM. Keep up the good work, and as long as we keep posting our findings we can not be quashed.

[HHOFire]

ZFF. I tried something on the cell I just built. I tried a design similar to yours and I wasnt happy with its output rate, so I tried something that I did on an old test cell, and I connected all of the neutrals together in groups of 3. The gas production had to have doubled. Maybe you would want to try that out and see how it goes.

[jmer12345]

Can you be a little more specific on you "groups of 3" configuration"?

[HHOFire]

I have my setup as +nnn-nnn+nnn-nnn+, and each set of neutrals, I have linked with stainless washers. We'll say that a . represents washers.

+n.n.n-n.n.n+n.n.n-n.n.n+

[quickshell]

I'd suggest using a rotary cutting tool to cut the plexiglass. I use one with great success.

[MadStu1978]

Good work mate! Can't wait to see it back in action. 5* as always!

[bennytan777]

oh... people probably just focusing on what he is doing and missing he drop down list for the rating... Obviously, once you start watching the videos you start paying attention.

[Fusion8r]

who is giving ZFF such a low rating score on his excellent informative DIY video but doesnt have the guts to speak up and write a comment?

well done Zero!! FIVE ***** Stars as always...keep them coming!!

Fusion8r

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Someone with a HUGE bug up their ass and no life at all.

[brassard95]

more than any thing it is someone that instead of getting back at the oil companys is tring to rape the people that want to do something about the problem by buying a premade system from someone trying to get rich off the systems

[Triple88a]

its because its not a video thats flashing like 4th of july.. thats why a low rating.. most folks dont realize that knowledge is gained in a classroom.

[cyberscann54]

Very cool keep up the great work.