I think it was disgusting how these kids were taken away, essentially because thier parents were "different".. Thier religion isn't perfect, none are - to seperate those children from thier parents en masse was terrible. If they're after Jeffs, fine, prosecute him for his crimes but leave the kids be.. If these were atheist, Christian or Muslim parents they would never have seperated them.
Joe Smith was a great prophet. When his wife caught him with the teen maid, he "revealed", that polygamy was ordered by God (Wife #1 didn't buy this story)
Later only to become legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teaching
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy. Mitt's dad slipped back
across the RioGrande to be 1st Mexican-American to run for President (born Chihuahua Mexico)
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS does a clever political game
@guayacan07 1) Catholics, who make up much of the world are morally compromised, hence why often saying, "everybody sins" when their generally unChristian behavior is pointed out 2) it's because of "born again" (false) "protestant" Christians taking "Don't judge" out of context 3) which liberals and atheists happily embrace (guess why): Because they too are sexually immoral 4) And did u forget: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ?
@eljagg01 "AFRAID OF RELIGION" Only partly correct: 1) Catholics, who make up much of the world are morally compromised, hence why often saying, "everybody sins" when their generally unChristian behavior is pointed out 2) it's because of "born again" (false) "protestant" Christians taking "Don't judge" out of context 3) which liberals and atheists happily embrace (guess why): Because they too are sexually immoral 4) And did u forget: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ?
Aubrey Connatser must be paid extremely well to say such defensive bullshit about this disturbing issues. Oh right kids are not being abused, they are just married off to some grown disgusting man then have babbies till their bodies cripple up and die.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID SHURTLEFF AND HIS DEVILS GET FROM FLDS?(NONE OF YOU WILL HAVE IT WHEN YOU REACH HELL!) IS IT TRUE THAT THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS HAS BEEN IN DROUGHT SINCE TRANSFERRING WARREN JEFFS TO TEXAS PRISON????HOW MANY PARENTS HAVE SEXUALLY ACTIVE, UNMARRIED 14 YEAR OLDS? WHAT HAVE ANY OF US DONE ABOUT THE BABIES UNDER 14 WHO ARE BEING USED FOR PROSTITUTION AND PORN? UTAH CODE STATES MARRIAGE..14 WITH CONSENT OF PARENT...WE ARE ALL CALLED OUT OF BABYLON...WHO HEARD THE VOICE OF GOD?
@eljagg01 A lot of people do not want to get involved with a lot of things in FEAR of being hurt or getting into trouble themselves :-( Courage is being scared shitless but doing it anyway. I do not back down if I believe something is not right and people are getting hurt. That strong gut feeling? Listen to it. Humans have obvious amazing ablilites to sense danger and pain from others.
@o0portal0o "Courage is being scared shitless but doing it anyway" where'd u get that definition? Don't mess with definitions of words, that just causes more confusion. Most or many arguments are due to people misusing words, implying they mean things they don't, like "love" and "judge".
@annamark1 Actually retard stop repeating a myth like a stupid parrot you gullible emotard. If morons like you bothered to think and accept the obvious rather than playing LOOK AT ME I'M RIGHTEOUS AT 8 YEARS OLD AND KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY SUPER HERO you might have found that even the atheists who dominate Wikipedia and hate Christians and religion in general, refuted that myth. Also moron atheists in the past 100 years killed 150,000,000 people NOT INCLUDING MILLIONS OF BABIES. FAIL!
@annamark1 MEANWHILE U RAIL AT CHRISTIANS FOR PROTESTING AGAINST KILLING BABIES! FAIL AGAIN IDIOTIC BABBLING ATHEIST WHO PRETENDS TO BE MORAL AND TO CARE FOR OTHERS REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE. WHAT A HYPOCRITE.
I thought polygamy was against the law in the US...am I missing something? Religion, or no religion, in my opinion this is a case of massive brain washing resulting in massive child abuse.
@ChrisFWebber2222 ...HOW MANY MEN ARE LIVING WITH A WOMAN ...HOW MANY COMMIT ADULTRY?..... HOW MANY FORNICATE WITH MANY WOMAN......ALL OF THIS IS LEGAL? NOW HOMOSEXUALS ARE DEMANDING LEGAL MARRIAGE WHEN IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLEGAL......WHAT WOULD YOU BE SAYING IF UTAH WAS ENFORCING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS? ENFORCING THE LAWS ON ILLEGALS......THINK OF THESE PEOPLE IN YOUR WORLDLY FASHION...THEY ARE ALL JUST LIVING TOGETHER AND IT MUST BE LEGAL CUZ EVERYBODY IS DOING IT.....
@NOSERPICOINUTAH The issue is child abuse. A child cannot legally consent to marriage. Women of the FLDS do not have a say about who they marry, it is strictly the decision of the prophet. That is your own business as long as the woman is indeed a woman and not a child!
@kittykatBflat Yeah that God. God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to sacrifice Isaac. But the point is: Abraham was obedient and God told him to stop. Thus, Isaac was NOT sacrificed. See how that worked? God never planned to let him kill Isaac. If Abraham refused to sacrifice his son, his son would live. If Abraham agreed to sacrifice his son, God would call it off and his son would live. So, it would always end up with his son being alive, no matter what Abraham chose to do.
'Rape' has been repeated several times here. Yet, the convictions were overturned with prejudice. The charges against the other men in the compound were dropped. Jeffs has now retained full legal control of the religious denomination under the watchful eye of the law. The legal process has determined that there is no basis for the charge of rape or unlawful detention of anyone. Unlike the claims against Catholic authorities, there have been no massive civil charges against Jeffs.
what is wrong wit these women i swear, i would imagen there is fear in these kids and ladies, there is no way one man could be that awsome to have that many wives period. its sick and i am most certain stuff like this work by usin fear. if you have never been an abused women before then you have no idea how real the fear is. if it were that easy to walk from this place i would imagen alot would of left. somethin is hangin over their heads people sickness then use the word of God makes me ill
How is this man and his "wives" any different from the Manson "Family?" He looks every bit as sick within his eyes. OK, no murders were commited, but rape has been.
"This" is disgusting? Catholic priests have been raping children for years and the church has been helping them. Before he became the current Pope, Cardinal Ratsinger was responsible for the cover-up and the protection of priests that raped innocent children. Churches do not pay taxes and they provide safe havens for child rapists. What this small cult was doing was nothing compared to what has been going on in churches of all faiths world wide for decades. Fucking religion is poison
@eljagg01 you may not agree with their way of life, and I don't either but now you see how a bunch of innocent people were crucified in the media and how the government grabbed a bunch of kids for no reason, even forcibly taking adults and putting them in foster care. be more afraid of the overreaching power of the US government then some random cult. after most of the ranch was exonerated, the media is strangely silent.
@xmorg "Innocent people"? Do you know how many 16 year old were pregnant by old men? Do you know how every single escapee from this cult testifies that domestic, child, and animal abuse is the NORM?
The government exists to protect individuals as far as I'm concerned, and for the poor souls born into this hell, I am glad it has on several occasions intervened, and hope it will eventually say enough to the clear human rights abuses taking place within it.
@eljagg01 Please tell us how many 16 years old's? Rozita Swinton was under investigation for "posing" as "Sarah" the supposed 16 year old caller, and the case was eventually dropped because no one could find the mystery caller. On May 22, CPS declared half of the alleged teen mothers to be adults, some as old as 27. One who had been listed as an underage mother had never been pregnant. -wikipedia. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual, and in this case they did not.
@eljagg01 did you even watch the video white man no evidence of child abuse was found, not lets look at the millions of Africans and natives people raped, enslaved, tortured and murdered to establish your civilization
@eljagg01 the white man is a metaphor for the white supremacy paradigm of thought patterns that dominate western civilization by your own admittance you understand English the language of your conqueror, two you ignore facts a white man trait, three your too stupid (stupidity is ones arrogance holding back the light of reason; dispelling the ignorance) to understand what is the white man, and four it doesnt matter what you are on the out side inside mind and soul you have white envy
How sad. The children were returned to their mothers, but at least Jeffs is no longer there to abuse them. Now the mothers can protect their children without fear of retribution. The mothers are victims just like the kids. I 'm sure they were all married off at a tender young age as well, and brainwashed!
@maureen1002 "Now the mothers can protect their children without fear of retribution"
Uh... the "mothers" are incapable of protecting their children. They, from what I have seen, have the maturity and intellect of small children themselves. Basically we allowed the 8 year olds to mother and protect the newborns. You see this in the charlatan ruled parts of Africa too.
Theese people worship sex. I think that bed in that white room is enough evidence that this is a cult. The thought of what's been done in that room is scary.
@spoddog1 But atheists haven't killed 150,000,000 people in the past year using such cliche thoughtless retardation like yours? They never said, "follow me, we're superior to an imaginary sky daddy" to get away with anything? So, who is the thoughtless gullible blind idiot? Atheists as usual. Still failing after billions and billions of Carly Sagan bitter nerd years. Use a search engine for once idiot adult 8 yr old. Try "bible evidence" for once. It's not like you can't read either.
@ShazamVanBane Atheism killed NOONE: No one would kill to have you not believe. Religion, howevere, have always killed. And religious people will always lie for "God" WAKE UP!
@Thesortvokter "Atheism killed NOONE:" said the failed refuted gullible idiot when he realized he had spoken in ignorance and had been parroting sex-propaganda: yes moron: the perverts are you: hypocrites: waaah Christians told us not to put our pussies together, told us not to put our cocks together, not to put our cocks in mens' butts waaah lets whine and bullshit and complain and come up with whatever argument no matter how many times we contradict. STALIN, HITLER, POL POT ETC!
@Thesortvokter u don't even know the basics about religion or atheism, don't know any basic debates and you scream in caps with an exclamation mark to "WAKE UP" to Christians here who obviously know? Fuck off little idiot kid.
@spoddog1 Don't you love it when atheists stereotype and ignore the past 6,500 years of history, pretending that no theist did anything honorable or did anything right, and that atheists who suddenly popped up around the 1800's for the first time in a large number merely came up with Darwinism, held onto it for dear life, then stupidly fell for Einstein, desperately trying to make him out to be an atheist, and ignoring the 150,000,000 killed by atheist communists? Hypocriiiiites. FAIL.
@Thesortvokter You can't even type the number 6,5000 right, and you want to be heard? And guy: already refuted you, further, you can't hear yourself? Read what you wrote moron. You're an idiot who is merely whining. "Waaaaah God didn't give me my way so I'm going to make mere insults." Shut up moron. And weak idiot: stop being a negative fault-finder. And idiot: wow you can't see any good God does, dur? So Christians don't willing follow God, dur? TO REBELS LIKE YOU HE'S A TYRANT.
@chooblakan said:"You can't even type the number 6,5000 right"
A typo? You think a small typo is the issue? Fucking deflecting from the issue! It's not about "my way", It's about THE "GOD" OF LOVE BEING A FUCKING DEVIL, you blind asshole!
I couldn't care less about their lifestyle but I do care about the children. They honestly believe that the way they are living is normal and good. The ONLY ONLY thing that is really bothering me is the they are so focused on their childern learning about sex. That's why they're saying "our children are in great danger" or " I have tried so hard to protect my children cause they don't know about this kind of stuff".
Polygamy works in Muslim nations because the women are more submissive and its embedded in Islam/culture. In Utah, there are still lots of cases being reported of jealousy and abuse. This is because women have been liberated in the West and polygamy won't work.
@pdynamics1 The four wives is the number of wives that Muslims may have, flds polygamists can have more. If you listen to this newscast Warren Jeffs has 58 wives. Mindboggling.
@Talithapraiz - Ya, I agree. but it is still more than 1. There is another guy in Canada named Winston Blackmore. He's fighting it in court right now on the grounds of religious freedom.
Google winston blackmore. He had 20+ wives and 100+ kids.
@pdynamics1 Wow I never heard of Winston Blackmore. I have been interested in different religious sects or cults for years and the polygamous sects really interest me because I cannot believe how many of these people there are and now you've told me about another one! tHIS Blackmore man seems pretty scary also.
@Talithapraiz - what's disturbing is he supposedly he kicks out the boys because he doesn't want any competition. (eyes rolled). Now if he wins in court, then in Canada we have permitted gay marriage and polygamy. The next logical step would be to have a bi-sexual marriage, no? that means a man can marry a man and a woman at the same time....
@pdynamics1 In TEXAS, USA, where the YFZ is located, one man and one woman can be married.
Bigamy is illegal. The manner in which CPS is allowed to remove children is ruled by the Gates' case: cppp(dot)org(slash)files(slash)4(slash)409(underscore)Gates(underscore)Final(dot)pdf (and CPS does whatever they want)
Slavery ended long ago and ownership of wives is not legal in Texas.
I think they can do whatever they like. I do not agree with it but if we live in a place where same sex marriage, abortion, etc is legal then there is nothing we can do. They do cross the line when the arrange/force their children's marriage. But apparently human rights don't apply to them because they are special. I would love to get a hold of one of those chauvinists who screws a child and cheese grate the hell out of his balls. 'The only good chauvinist is a castrated one' -Ellie.
I'm so disgusted that this happened SO close to where i live. Never im my wildest dreams did i know that FLDS members were in TEXAS of all places. 31 teens were either pregnant or mothers...if that's not proof of what goes on i dont know what is. they abandon young men ages 13-21...kicking them out so that the older men have a first pick at all the young girls. disgusting cult.
@zenithbeach -- I know, why would anybody even need that many? For heaven's sake, you probably couldn't even name them all, and certainly couldn't know many of them very well.
God's name is used far too freely in this religious group. It does show how people can be swayed by that claim that "God told me what to do". For myself, I do believe in a God that gives me the ability to discern what is good, right, true, helpful or hurtful, selfish or compassionate. This in my mind is true maturity, and anyone can access it, even if they do not acknowledge a God.
just read carolyn jessop's book escape. there was plenty of physical abuse. the investigators found that many children had broken bones that hadn't healed correctly and the book describes beatings an a girl's arm being burned. and now with the current prophet the kids arent even allowed to play. even the word "play" has been forbidden. they get up at 3 AM and work all day
@LMA629 Yes, you are right - between "Escape" and "Stolen Innocence" you can see many polygamous fathers treating their children like pieces of dirt. That is the worst crime of all, as these poor kids have to endure what no child should from its parent.
Only a fucked up religious cult like the LDS would allow this such a thing!! They really believe tht it's ok to have sex with young girls,and multiple woman,just so they can rule their own planet,and they feel tht their religion is,the true religion,to GOD??? They have got to be fuckin kidding me lmao!!!
I have read enough books on polygamy to know that these children are being abused. If forced religion and brainwashing is not abuse then I don't know what is. Also these children should not be cut off from the rest of the world for the simple fact that if they needed to cry out for help they would have no one to cry out to. Polygamists like to stay to themseloves becuase they know they are breaking the law.
There is one in Canada on the border of B.C. and the U.S. This Jeff Warren cult used to send child brides across the border for Winston Blackmore and visa versa, until they had a falling out and Winston took over the town. I never knew it existed, yet I would go buying fruit in a community a few miles away.
Shameful and horrible. There are people in Canada working on disbanding this cult. But the authorities knew for years, polygamy is illegal, and they turned a blind eye.
@ElenMaica31 I'm a Marine who was forced to grow up in a fanatic religious cult much like this one. The only difference was these people believed in polygamy and our cult believed in devine healing. I never went to a doctor because we were taught it was against god. Women wore skirts, long hair, we couldn't have TV, radio, Xmas trees, you name it. Google it sometime if you want. It's called "Faith Tabernacle Congregation". Located in Philadelphia Pa. I could tell you horror stories!
@ElenMaica31 I'm a Marine who was forced to grow up in a fanatic religious cult much like this one. The only difference was these people believed in polygamy and our cult believed in devine healing. I never went to a doctor because we were taught it was against god. Women wore skirts, long hair, we couldn't have TV, radio, Xmas trees, you name it. Google it sometime if you want. It's called "Faith Tabernacle Congregation". Located in Philadelphia Pa. I could tell you horror stories!
Whoever started polygamy has some serious issues and needs to be prosecuted or if he/she is dead than they need to rot in hell. It is illegal.! All of the men need to be prosecuted now! I feel very bad for the children who had to go through this and I hope that the children will be put into other homes with foster families that are loving and only have one mother. [[These wives are crazy]]
Hurray to Carolyn! May many more women and girls find the courage to leave this sex-slavery called LDS! I don't understand why the USA allows families to homeschool! Homeschooling can be used to drill and brainwash children from a very young age on! And all for the sake of some male sex fantasy - abusing women and girls to get "become a GOD in the afterlive and get their own planet", where thy can even rape more women! MORMONISM is the craziest cult I've ever heard of so far ...
@Mormonismisinsane These AREN'T LDS, they are not associated with the LDS church and is condemned for their actions. The LDS church has not practiced or condoned polygamy for over a 100 years. These people are not "Mormon".
"Probably overstepped their bounds by removing by removing all of their children", seriously? You come for my children you better be wearing kevlar. What is wrong with this government???? They totally failed the children who ARE being abused in that compound, and HEAPED trauma on the rest. FAIL
Warren Jeffs is a dirty old pedophile and justifying his deviant disgusting violence and abuse of girls and women. Even if there are not outward signs of abuse, the mental and physical (sexual) abuse are evident.
How can this attorney bold faced look in the camera and state that there was nothing wrong?
Difference of opinion in child rearing and ethics?
Outward signs of abuse, how about DIRTY DISGUSTING OLD MEN taking too many young girls for SEX and having tons of babies with them and keeping them bound (brainwashed with fears) in a compound.
Its amazing how there was very little proof all this was going on but all the posts from these stupid people say "take the children away" how stupid all you people are.... Find the police reports that prove there was wrong doing. They dont exsist. Go figure
Muhammad married Aisha at age Six had sex *(thighing) with her to age Nine at which time he had full intercourse with her. Muhammad's pedophile lust didn't end there. He had his on at least one other baby girl stating that if he lived long enough he would also take her as his "Bride" at age Six. So don't believe Muslims when they tell you that they oppose child marriage they are being bare-faced Liars
.*Thighing is a practice where Muslim men rub their penis between a child's thighs.
@NoShariaInEurope I'm sorry dear, for you've wasted your time and effort on the wrong info. There's only one true source when it comes to any info regarding Muslims & Islam, and that is the REAL Quran. (Not the fake ones that are everywhere nowadays.) If there's anything wrong (terrorism, misuse of polygamy, absurd stories on Muhammad, etc) it's the followers (who misunderstand things or were miseducated), NOT the religion. May the truth prevail and all religions live harmony together. Ameen. :)
@wanygraphy ....THE FAKE KORANS WERE MADE BY MUSLIMS TO GIVE TO DUMB AMERICANS IN YOUR PLAN FOR CHRISLAM....YOU LEFT OUT THE SURA'S THAT SAY YOU ARE COMMANDED TO BEHEAD ALL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS....MUSLIMS WHO LEFT THE FAITH ARE SPEAKING OUT!.....YOU ARE A DECEIVING DEVIL COMMANDED TO MURDER AND LIE BY allah=SATAN.....REPENT...
@NOSERPICOINUTAH You're really in your own world, dear. Chrislam? Wow. Do come back to earth. :) About that Surah- you sure you're reading the REAL Quran? Cause you seem to misinterpret & misunderstand things no differently than any other 'blind' people. I feel sorry for you, my friend. Whoever you are, I'd never want to kill you. I'm with the REAL Islam & I do have a brain. The REAL Islam embraces people of every kind. Personally, I love all goodhearted people... including Christians & Jews. :)
@wanygraphy Damn liar, your Quran clearly states to kill all Jews and non-Muslims, who do you think you are fooling, you intolerant trash, stop trying to force your cult of a religion on everyone else, your religion is intolerant and bigoted and you should go back to Islamic republic where only Muslims are allowed and Non-Muslims live in fear and persecution
@wanygraphy Islam is a bigoted religion, live peacefully with other like Muslims are capable of doing so, they persecute Christians and other Non-Muslims in every Muslim country so as a Muslim following that false death cult religion....please shout up with your one way tolerance....stop giving people death threats for a simple cartoon and killing cartoonist and others expressing their freedom of speech....Muslim practices are worst than the FLDS
@Thesortvokter But atheism which lead to the death of 150,00,000 people in the past 100 years not including millions of babies killed each year since the feminist movement can't be misused? Moron: study history and stop being a fault finding stereotyper before opening your mouth idiot: ignorant people can't teach, duuuh. And dummy: learn what logical fallacies are: you committed "begging the question" meaning U DIDN'T EXPLAIN YOURSELF. Stop being a lumper Mr Worship-Me-Instead!
@ShazamVanBane I believe in life after death. I believe in a spiritual reality. A higher reality. Why should that automatically mean bow to Jahve and Jesus? I bow to the principles of respet for life. Something the "Holy" Bible negates.
@Thesortvokter oooo, the ranter is a good guy now because he's against killing babies, now we should all listen to u, and dude, he's not asking you a thing, he clearly refuted your dumbness. go learn already. And no, learning isn't "google: why bibble wrong" *reads skepticbible and whybiblevil and ignores all other sites, even atheist ones that hurt his brain*. Weak minded idiot. You're a brute.
@adobochickens Fucking smug christian, who was it that started talking aboiut abortions as if christians were the only once that could possible be against it? And who the fuck kills thousands of babies in the old testiclament?
YOUR FUCKING DEVILGOD, THAT'S WHO.
That's who you're nothing but hypocrites!YUOU go fucking learn about the true nature of the beast Jahve!! I don't need the internet to tell me you are deilworshippers, I just need the bible. Your "God" is a worse brute.
@wanygraphy "the REAL Quran" and which of the FOURTEEN versions would that be?: ww w.fourteen. tk <--- highlight drag and drop into your urls people. Also, have muslims refuted answeringislam. org yet? Far from it, just made more fools of themselves. 3rd: how many more years have to pass before muslms refute 20questions. tk? Stop lying, assuming, and boasting. What is blasphemy is not saying "God has a son," or teaching the trinity, but claiming to be able to earn God's eternal love.
58 WIVES?????? 12 YR OLD MARRIED TO HIM!!!!! Oh Lord, have Mercy on his soul. I wonder what Jeff will tell my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ on judgement day. He honestly needs to be very sorry about this. I know deep down his heart, Jeff knows he is wrong. Please Lord have mercy on Mr. Warren Jeff's soul. May he realize what he has done is very wrong and is not to your Word of the bible.
58 WIVES?????? 12 YR OLD MARRIED TO HIM!!!!! Oh Lord, have Mercy on his soul. I wonder what Jeff will tell my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ on judgement day. He honestly needs to be very sorry about this. I know deep down his heart, Jeff knows he is wrong. Mercy on Mr.Warren Jeff's soul. May he realize what he has done is very wrong and is not to your Word of the bible.
The brainwashing these children experience is horrible. By the time they are adults they have completely acclimated. They suck from the welfare system - they don't want to follow the laws of the land, but they sure as heck will benefit from it. I feel sorry for these children - they are the only innocents in the whole lot of them. Those women's tears didn't make me feel sad for their loss of children for a time, I just pity them and their inability to think clearly. It's sick.
he wanted to have multiple sex partners bottom line....the children were under mind control, b/c the mothers were under mind control. USA citizens are under mind control too, but dang, at least we have enough sense to know little babies should not be having babies....
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12 year old is an adult based on biology and science. just based on your hypocritical law where the age opf consent is 12 but the minimum age of marriage is 18 which means fornicate after 12 is okay but how dare you get married. your hate for marriage and your love for fornication and homosexuality and all other abominations is evident
Jeff Warren was a evil man this is so sicking i wish i could just go in there and give him hysterectomy, none of this is god's wish. I mean he obviously has some serious mental problems if he has sex with 12 and 13 year old's i mean my gosh..
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12 year old girl is not an adult? when did you get your period? when did you first have a boyfriend(fornication partner)? i see that girls at 10 or 12 already into relationships and some of them fornicate
if you mean growing a brain then you would never do that even when your 80 so good luck encouraging your kids to fornicate (girlfriend boyfriend) while you enjoy your minimum age of marriage bullshit
@fungirl1950 That child was proven to have been twelve when she was forced into an underage marriage. From what I have read, she has since been placed in foster care and is doing well. :)
@fungirl1950 Sadly, most of the children haven't been heard from since being returned. I just read Caroly Jessop's new book "Triumph," and she mentions what went wrong in the Texas raid. It is believed that since Texas CPS didn't have the resources to fully process all the abuse cases, the kids were simply returned. I think the moms had to take parenting classes, and most of the dads didn't acknowledge their kids. The book is really detailed, you might enjoy it. :)
You have got to be kidding.....girls at 10 or 12 should still be playing with barbie dolls, riding bikes and giggling with friends. It is a sad case to see such young girls acting like adults. They are not. Their emotional state and even the physical brain is still childlike. These girls are forced into marriage....not merely arranged by parents for good practical reasons but forced against their will and told they are going to hell if they disobey.
@leighgirl123 leigh, do you know anything about morality, culture, religion, logic? With no careful thought you just condemned all of Spain, Afghanistan, Papua, New Guinea, and over a billion others who've died. You also condemned righteous King David who slept with a 12 yr old before he died (but didn't touch her). She was considered by some of David's servants to be the most beautiful girl in Israel. And is God sick for making it possible for 13 yr olds to have babies? Think.
@ShazamVanBane You just sited several developing countries, Americas a modern society, and don't even start with the bible, I can't think of a worse gauge of human actions then the old testament.
this is america we should be free 2 do what we want.they just did this 2 make poligamy look like mulestation so they can out law it.pretty soon thell be knocking on the musiliems door who got more then 1 wife.
@calibon1 it is illegal to have multiple wives, so i hope they get any muslims who think they are above our law, and use as americans. if you think these people are in the right in any way, you are a bad person :P
I cannot believe that people from outside FLDS would support these people. They have broken the law by being polygamous in the first place. Everybody can cry and tell sad stories. These childeren and women are brainwash. This guy is a psychopath narcist , pedophile and sexabuser like the prophet mohammed of islam. I think the police should be more punishing about polygam of christian sect and muslims. They are like rabits and overtaking us and our high values with retarded ideological claims.
I wonder if this stupid lawyer would have slept with an old man of 80 when she was forced to do it at 14??? All the women and children are brain washed, poor things.
I think it was disgusting how these kids were taken away, essentially because thier parents were "different".. Thier religion isn't perfect, none are - to seperate those children from thier parents en masse was terrible. If they're after Jeffs, fine, prosecute him for his crimes but leave the kids be.. If these were atheist, Christian or Muslim parents they would never have seperated them.
andy7666 2 weeks ago
fuck this reality fuck this world fuck myself fuck all of you fuckin cunts
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Joe Smith was a great prophet. When his wife caught him with the teen maid, he "revealed", that polygamy was ordered by God (Wife #1 didn't buy this story)
Later only to become legal, LDS flip-flopped on polygamy despite their own prophet's teaching
Romney's family tho, fled to Mexico illegally to keep polygamy. Mitt's dad slipped back
across the RioGrande to be 1st Mexican-American to run for President (born Chihuahua Mexico)
FLDS is true to Joe Smith; LDS does a clever political game
dleechristy 2 weeks ago
I JUST FARTED :D
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@guayacan07 1) Catholics, who make up much of the world are morally compromised, hence why often saying, "everybody sins" when their generally unChristian behavior is pointed out 2) it's because of "born again" (false) "protestant" Christians taking "Don't judge" out of context 3) which liberals and atheists happily embrace (guess why): Because they too are sexually immoral 4) And did u forget: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ?
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@eljagg01 "AFRAID OF RELIGION" Only partly correct: 1) Catholics, who make up much of the world are morally compromised, hence why often saying, "everybody sins" when their generally unChristian behavior is pointed out 2) it's because of "born again" (false) "protestant" Christians taking "Don't judge" out of context 3) which liberals and atheists happily embrace (guess why): Because they too are sexually immoral 4) And did u forget: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone ?
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This religion polygamy is ..
longlivemusicforev 1 month ago
Aubrey Connatser must be paid extremely well to say such defensive bullshit about this disturbing issues. Oh right kids are not being abused, they are just married off to some grown disgusting man then have babbies till their bodies cripple up and die.
orlandobabe 3 months ago
we have the technology to fire bomb this place.
steelfury455 5 months ago
HOW MUCH MONEY DID SHURTLEFF AND HIS DEVILS GET FROM FLDS?(NONE OF YOU WILL HAVE IT WHEN YOU REACH HELL!) IS IT TRUE THAT THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS HAS BEEN IN DROUGHT SINCE TRANSFERRING WARREN JEFFS TO TEXAS PRISON????HOW MANY PARENTS HAVE SEXUALLY ACTIVE, UNMARRIED 14 YEAR OLDS? WHAT HAVE ANY OF US DONE ABOUT THE BABIES UNDER 14 WHO ARE BEING USED FOR PROSTITUTION AND PORN? UTAH CODE STATES MARRIAGE..14 WITH CONSENT OF PARENT...WE ARE ALL CALLED OUT OF BABYLON...WHO HEARD THE VOICE OF GOD?
NOSERPICOINUTAH 5 months ago
@NOSERPICOINUTAH ummm........what the fuck are you talking about???.....honestly, noone knows......
floatingpineapple 4 months ago
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these women are as much victims as the children in care, people need to release these women were the children only a few years ago...
moonwitch1981 5 months ago
@eljagg01 A lot of people do not want to get involved with a lot of things in FEAR of being hurt or getting into trouble themselves :-( Courage is being scared shitless but doing it anyway. I do not back down if I believe something is not right and people are getting hurt. That strong gut feeling? Listen to it. Humans have obvious amazing ablilites to sense danger and pain from others.
o0portal0o 5 months ago
@o0portal0o "Courage is being scared shitless but doing it anyway" where'd u get that definition? Don't mess with definitions of words, that just causes more confusion. Most or many arguments are due to people misusing words, implying they mean things they don't, like "love" and "judge".
chooblakan 1 month ago
RELIGION. here we go. more peolpe die because of religon then anything else.
annamark1 6 months ago 3
@annamark1
Who died?
Keruaran 4 months ago
@annamark1 Actually retard stop repeating a myth like a stupid parrot you gullible emotard. If morons like you bothered to think and accept the obvious rather than playing LOOK AT ME I'M RIGHTEOUS AT 8 YEARS OLD AND KNOW EVERYTHING ALREADY SUPER HERO you might have found that even the atheists who dominate Wikipedia and hate Christians and religion in general, refuted that myth. Also moron atheists in the past 100 years killed 150,000,000 people NOT INCLUDING MILLIONS OF BABIES. FAIL!
kyleain 1 month ago 7
@annamark1 MEANWHILE U RAIL AT CHRISTIANS FOR PROTESTING AGAINST KILLING BABIES! FAIL AGAIN IDIOTIC BABBLING ATHEIST WHO PRETENDS TO BE MORAL AND TO CARE FOR OTHERS REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE. WHAT A HYPOCRITE.
kyleain 1 month ago 3
@kyleain I'm against abortion and the killing of innocent children. That is why I hate Jahve. Read the Bilble. Jahve kills babies. HYPOCRITE!
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
She looks and sounds just as brainwashed as the wives. See it? I do.
MichelleKidman 6 months ago
I thought polygamy was against the law in the US...am I missing something? Religion, or no religion, in my opinion this is a case of massive brain washing resulting in massive child abuse.
ChrisFWebber2222 6 months ago 2
@ChrisFWebber2222 ...HOW MANY MEN ARE LIVING WITH A WOMAN ...HOW MANY COMMIT ADULTRY?..... HOW MANY FORNICATE WITH MANY WOMAN......ALL OF THIS IS LEGAL? NOW HOMOSEXUALS ARE DEMANDING LEGAL MARRIAGE WHEN IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ILLEGAL......WHAT WOULD YOU BE SAYING IF UTAH WAS ENFORCING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS? ENFORCING THE LAWS ON ILLEGALS......THINK OF THESE PEOPLE IN YOUR WORLDLY FASHION...THEY ARE ALL JUST LIVING TOGETHER AND IT MUST BE LEGAL CUZ EVERYBODY IS DOING IT.....
NOSERPICOINUTAH 5 months ago
@NOSERPICOINUTAH the issue isn't with polygamy it's with child abuse. I could care less if adults wanna practice polygamy
jessdurso 5 months ago 3
@NOSERPICOINUTAH The issue is child abuse. A child cannot legally consent to marriage. Women of the FLDS do not have a say about who they marry, it is strictly the decision of the prophet. That is your own business as long as the woman is indeed a woman and not a child!
sharp335 4 months ago 3
this is so sick, 58 wives?!
shokyee 6 months ago
Muhammad was not a pedophile - to say so is a foolish affront to a
Billion Muslims. People can,and will say and fabricate lies. In
antiquity the cultures and customs were different.
It was common in the early to mid- 1900's for girls to marry in their
mid teens. Times and sensibilities change- but one thing remains true:
some Americans are obsessed with and fixed on anything sexual. Could
it be that these meddlers who ignore murder and mayhem to focus on sex
are the real closet perverts?
crystalpharoah 6 months ago
@crystalpharoah Islam Sucks, its a threat to civilized societies
elisabethkohler33 3 months ago
things like these give religion a bad name. God is great. But Man is sick.
spaz9i2 7 months ago
@spaz9i2 The same god that asked Abraham to killed his son, that god is great right?
kittykatBflat 6 months ago
@kittykatBflat Yeah that God. God tested Abraham's faith by asking him to sacrifice Isaac. But the point is: Abraham was obedient and God told him to stop. Thus, Isaac was NOT sacrificed. See how that worked? God never planned to let him kill Isaac. If Abraham refused to sacrifice his son, his son would live. If Abraham agreed to sacrifice his son, God would call it off and his son would live. So, it would always end up with his son being alive, no matter what Abraham chose to do.
bubbiz99 6 months ago
@bubbiz99 He made up for it though when he killed all the first born sons. Such a softy, genocidal megalomaniac he/she/it is.
kittykatBflat 6 months ago
'Rape' has been repeated several times here. Yet, the convictions were overturned with prejudice. The charges against the other men in the compound were dropped. Jeffs has now retained full legal control of the religious denomination under the watchful eye of the law. The legal process has determined that there is no basis for the charge of rape or unlawful detention of anyone. Unlike the claims against Catholic authorities, there have been no massive civil charges against Jeffs.
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@1400deadwood Jeffs is in jail for life, just so you know.
takitheterrible 3 months ago
what is wrong wit these women i swear, i would imagen there is fear in these kids and ladies, there is no way one man could be that awsome to have that many wives period. its sick and i am most certain stuff like this work by usin fear. if you have never been an abused women before then you have no idea how real the fear is. if it were that easy to walk from this place i would imagen alot would of left. somethin is hangin over their heads people sickness then use the word of God makes me ill
lilhippie77 8 months ago
How is this man and his "wives" any different from the Manson "Family?" He looks every bit as sick within his eyes. OK, no murders were commited, but rape has been.
brightbite 8 months ago
Why do they dress afs if they are living in the 1800s???
DvT093 8 months ago
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My guess is because it is conservative, in the sense that it covers the majority of the body. I can be wrong, though.
renethel 7 months ago
@eljagg01
"This" is disgusting? Catholic priests have been raping children for years and the church has been helping them. Before he became the current Pope, Cardinal Ratsinger was responsible for the cover-up and the protection of priests that raped innocent children. Churches do not pay taxes and they provide safe havens for child rapists. What this small cult was doing was nothing compared to what has been going on in churches of all faiths world wide for decades. Fucking religion is poison
andyrooney12 10 months ago 4
@eljagg01 you may not agree with their way of life, and I don't either but now you see how a bunch of innocent people were crucified in the media and how the government grabbed a bunch of kids for no reason, even forcibly taking adults and putting them in foster care. be more afraid of the overreaching power of the US government then some random cult. after most of the ranch was exonerated, the media is strangely silent.
xmorg 10 months ago
@xmorg "Innocent people"? Do you know how many 16 year old were pregnant by old men? Do you know how every single escapee from this cult testifies that domestic, child, and animal abuse is the NORM?
The government exists to protect individuals as far as I'm concerned, and for the poor souls born into this hell, I am glad it has on several occasions intervened, and hope it will eventually say enough to the clear human rights abuses taking place within it.
eljagg01 10 months ago
@eljagg01 Please tell us how many 16 years old's? Rozita Swinton was under investigation for "posing" as "Sarah" the supposed 16 year old caller, and the case was eventually dropped because no one could find the mystery caller. On May 22, CPS declared half of the alleged teen mothers to be adults, some as old as 27. One who had been listed as an underage mother had never been pregnant. -wikipedia. The government exists to protect the rights of the individual, and in this case they did not.
xmorg 10 months ago
@eljagg01 did you even watch the video white man no evidence of child abuse was found, not lets look at the millions of Africans and natives people raped, enslaved, tortured and murdered to establish your civilization
godscuttingyoudown 10 months ago
@godscuttingyoudown I'm neither white nor a man, but nice try.
eljagg01 10 months ago
@eljagg01 the white man is a metaphor for the white supremacy paradigm of thought patterns that dominate western civilization by your own admittance you understand English the language of your conqueror, two you ignore facts a white man trait, three your too stupid (stupidity is ones arrogance holding back the light of reason; dispelling the ignorance) to understand what is the white man, and four it doesnt matter what you are on the out side inside mind and soul you have white envy
godscuttingyoudown 10 months ago
@godscuttingyoudown You are the only one who can set your self free.
GoddessMoney 9 months ago
How sad. The children were returned to their mothers, but at least Jeffs is no longer there to abuse them. Now the mothers can protect their children without fear of retribution. The mothers are victims just like the kids. I 'm sure they were all married off at a tender young age as well, and brainwashed!
maureen1002 11 months ago
@maureen1002 "Now the mothers can protect their children without fear of retribution"
Uh... the "mothers" are incapable of protecting their children. They, from what I have seen, have the maturity and intellect of small children themselves. Basically we allowed the 8 year olds to mother and protect the newborns. You see this in the charlatan ruled parts of Africa too.
Starry2000 11 months ago
they cry with no tears,,,
pugdogy 11 months ago
Theese people worship sex. I think that bed in that white room is enough evidence that this is a cult. The thought of what's been done in that room is scary.
jhartist123 1 year ago
@jhartist123 They also worship a narcissist: ww w. narcissist. tk
Fototrick 1 month ago
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just say god said i can and you can get away with anything. stupid people.
spoddog1 1 year ago 2
@spoddog1 But atheists haven't killed 150,000,000 people in the past year using such cliche thoughtless retardation like yours? They never said, "follow me, we're superior to an imaginary sky daddy" to get away with anything? So, who is the thoughtless gullible blind idiot? Atheists as usual. Still failing after billions and billions of Carly Sagan bitter nerd years. Use a search engine for once idiot adult 8 yr old. Try "bible evidence" for once. It's not like you can't read either.
ShazamVanBane 1 month ago 12
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@ShazamVanBane Atheism killed NOONE: No one would kill to have you not believe. Religion, howevere, have always killed. And religious people will always lie for "God" WAKE UP!
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter "Atheism killed NOONE:" said the failed refuted gullible idiot when he realized he had spoken in ignorance and had been parroting sex-propaganda: yes moron: the perverts are you: hypocrites: waaah Christians told us not to put our pussies together, told us not to put our cocks together, not to put our cocks in mens' butts waaah lets whine and bullshit and complain and come up with whatever argument no matter how many times we contradict. STALIN, HITLER, POL POT ETC!
fookuoku 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter didn't read the rest of your baby rant, moron
fookuoku 1 month ago 2
@Thesortvokter lol, atheism kill no one? lol! learn history stupid.
LJWarfin 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter u don't even know the basics about religion or atheism, don't know any basic debates and you scream in caps with an exclamation mark to "WAKE UP" to Christians here who obviously know? Fuck off little idiot kid.
LJWarfin 1 month ago
@LJWarfin So tell me - what is it I don't know??
I know Jahve is a fucking psychopathic asshole, so what was it I was missing?
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@spoddog1 Don't you love it when atheists stereotype and ignore the past 6,500 years of history, pretending that no theist did anything honorable or did anything right, and that atheists who suddenly popped up around the 1800's for the first time in a large number merely came up with Darwinism, held onto it for dear life, then stupidly fell for Einstein, desperately trying to make him out to be an atheist, and ignoring the 150,000,000 killed by atheist communists? Hypocriiiiites. FAIL.
ShazamVanBane 1 month ago 6
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@ShazamVanBane 6,5000 years have told us that any "God" who dictates us is a devil.
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter You can't even type the number 6,5000 right, and you want to be heard? And guy: already refuted you, further, you can't hear yourself? Read what you wrote moron. You're an idiot who is merely whining. "Waaaaah God didn't give me my way so I'm going to make mere insults." Shut up moron. And weak idiot: stop being a negative fault-finder. And idiot: wow you can't see any good God does, dur? So Christians don't willing follow God, dur? TO REBELS LIKE YOU HE'S A TYRANT.
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@chooblakan said:"You can't even type the number 6,5000 right"
A typo? You think a small typo is the issue? Fucking deflecting from the issue! It's not about "my way", It's about THE "GOD" OF LOVE BEING A FUCKING DEVIL, you blind asshole!
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
I couldn't care less about their lifestyle but I do care about the children. They honestly believe that the way they are living is normal and good. The ONLY ONLY thing that is really bothering me is the they are so focused on their childern learning about sex. That's why they're saying "our children are in great danger" or " I have tried so hard to protect my children cause they don't know about this kind of stuff".
zeldalink1 1 year ago
Polygamy works in Muslim nations because the women are more submissive and its embedded in Islam/culture. In Utah, there are still lots of cases being reported of jealousy and abuse. This is because women have been liberated in the West and polygamy won't work.
pdynamics1 1 year ago
I have to disagree with you.
polygamy is NOT taught in the teaching of ISLAM.
honduraspride12 1 year ago
@honduraspride12: As I understand it, a man can have up to 4 wives. It has to be consensual of course
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@pdynamics1 The four wives is the number of wives that Muslims may have, flds polygamists can have more. If you listen to this newscast Warren Jeffs has 58 wives. Mindboggling.
Talithapraiz 1 year ago
@Talithapraiz - Ya, I agree. but it is still more than 1. There is another guy in Canada named Winston Blackmore. He's fighting it in court right now on the grounds of religious freedom.
Google winston blackmore. He had 20+ wives and 100+ kids.
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@pdynamics1 Wow I never heard of Winston Blackmore. I have been interested in different religious sects or cults for years and the polygamous sects really interest me because I cannot believe how many of these people there are and now you've told me about another one! tHIS Blackmore man seems pretty scary also.
Talithapraiz 1 year ago
@Talithapraiz - what's disturbing is he supposedly he kicks out the boys because he doesn't want any competition. (eyes rolled). Now if he wins in court, then in Canada we have permitted gay marriage and polygamy. The next logical step would be to have a bi-sexual marriage, no? that means a man can marry a man and a woman at the same time....
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@pdynamics1 In TEXAS, USA, where the YFZ is located, one man and one woman can be married.
Bigamy is illegal. The manner in which CPS is allowed to remove children is ruled by the Gates' case: cppp(dot)org(slash)files(slash)4(slash)409(underscore)Gates(underscore)Final(dot)pdf (and CPS does whatever they want)
Slavery ended long ago and ownership of wives is not legal in Texas.
Women and children are not property.
hope4kidz 11 months ago 3
@Talithapraiz really? so how come this Muslim Nigerian man have 84 wives, I thought Muslims were only allowed to have four.....
elisabethkohler33 3 months ago
Are they all married to the same guy?
SweetpeaTeen 1 year ago
I think they can do whatever they like. I do not agree with it but if we live in a place where same sex marriage, abortion, etc is legal then there is nothing we can do. They do cross the line when the arrange/force their children's marriage. But apparently human rights don't apply to them because they are special. I would love to get a hold of one of those chauvinists who screws a child and cheese grate the hell out of his balls. 'The only good chauvinist is a castrated one' -Ellie.
ellier0215 1 year ago
@ellier0215 uhhm some of those things arent legal nationwide
jkonu2 1 year ago
I'm so disgusted that this happened SO close to where i live. Never im my wildest dreams did i know that FLDS members were in TEXAS of all places. 31 teens were either pregnant or mothers...if that's not proof of what goes on i dont know what is. they abandon young men ages 13-21...kicking them out so that the older men have a first pick at all the young girls. disgusting cult.
77MommaBear96 1 year ago 3
It's the men who are to blame, not the women.
akissy 1 year ago
58 wives! holy shit!
zenithbeach 1 year ago
@zenithbeach -- I know, why would anybody even need that many? For heaven's sake, you probably couldn't even name them all, and certainly couldn't know many of them very well.
RichMenAreEvil 1 year ago
God's name is used far too freely in this religious group. It does show how people can be swayed by that claim that "God told me what to do". For myself, I do believe in a God that gives me the ability to discern what is good, right, true, helpful or hurtful, selfish or compassionate. This in my mind is true maturity, and anyone can access it, even if they do not acknowledge a God.
ytcarol 1 year ago 3
polygamy is a sin..
sweetlynumb86 1 year ago
just read carolyn jessop's book escape. there was plenty of physical abuse. the investigators found that many children had broken bones that hadn't healed correctly and the book describes beatings an a girl's arm being burned. and now with the current prophet the kids arent even allowed to play. even the word "play" has been forbidden. they get up at 3 AM and work all day
LMA629 1 year ago
@LMA629 Yes, you are right - between "Escape" and "Stolen Innocence" you can see many polygamous fathers treating their children like pieces of dirt. That is the worst crime of all, as these poor kids have to endure what no child should from its parent.
ytcarol 1 year ago
Only a fucked up religious cult like the LDS would allow this such a thing!! They really believe tht it's ok to have sex with young girls,and multiple woman,just so they can rule their own planet,and they feel tht their religion is,the true religion,to GOD??? They have got to be fuckin kidding me lmao!!!
mrssmithjr 1 year ago
I have read enough books on polygamy to know that these children are being abused. If forced religion and brainwashing is not abuse then I don't know what is. Also these children should not be cut off from the rest of the world for the simple fact that if they needed to cry out for help they would have no one to cry out to. Polygamists like to stay to themseloves becuase they know they are breaking the law.
brokestove 1 year ago
When I first saw this on Oprah show, I was really shocked, can't believed that there's a community like this. I can't even imagine how is this happen.
I mean, in U.S.A?, the center of the world?.
I can't believe it took too long before the authority found out about this.
ElenMaica31 1 year ago
@ElenMaica31
There is one in Canada on the border of B.C. and the U.S. This Jeff Warren cult used to send child brides across the border for Winston Blackmore and visa versa, until they had a falling out and Winston took over the town. I never knew it existed, yet I would go buying fruit in a community a few miles away.
Shameful and horrible. There are people in Canada working on disbanding this cult. But the authorities knew for years, polygamy is illegal, and they turned a blind eye.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@ElenMaica31 I'm a Marine who was forced to grow up in a fanatic religious cult much like this one. The only difference was these people believed in polygamy and our cult believed in devine healing. I never went to a doctor because we were taught it was against god. Women wore skirts, long hair, we couldn't have TV, radio, Xmas trees, you name it. Google it sometime if you want. It's called "Faith Tabernacle Congregation". Located in Philadelphia Pa. I could tell you horror stories!
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@ElenMaica31 I'm a Marine who was forced to grow up in a fanatic religious cult much like this one. The only difference was these people believed in polygamy and our cult believed in devine healing. I never went to a doctor because we were taught it was against god. Women wore skirts, long hair, we couldn't have TV, radio, Xmas trees, you name it. Google it sometime if you want. It's called "Faith Tabernacle Congregation". Located in Philadelphia Pa. I could tell you horror stories!
kcrazymurph 1 year ago
Whoever started polygamy has some serious issues and needs to be prosecuted or if he/she is dead than they need to rot in hell. It is illegal.! All of the men need to be prosecuted now! I feel very bad for the children who had to go through this and I hope that the children will be put into other homes with foster families that are loving and only have one mother. [[These wives are crazy]]
MajorWootage16 1 year ago
Hurray to Carolyn! May many more women and girls find the courage to leave this sex-slavery called LDS! I don't understand why the USA allows families to homeschool! Homeschooling can be used to drill and brainwash children from a very young age on! And all for the sake of some male sex fantasy - abusing women and girls to get "become a GOD in the afterlive and get their own planet", where thy can even rape more women! MORMONISM is the craziest cult I've ever heard of so far ...
Mormonismisinsane 1 year ago
@Mormonismisinsane
I doubt you would be condeming homeschooling if America or whatever country you life, became Christian or Communist by law.
croscream 1 year ago
@Mormonismisinsane These AREN'T LDS, they are not associated with the LDS church and is condemned for their actions. The LDS church has not practiced or condoned polygamy for over a 100 years. These people are not "Mormon".
paulmarcelrene 1 year ago
"Probably overstepped their bounds by removing by removing all of their children", seriously? You come for my children you better be wearing kevlar. What is wrong with this government???? They totally failed the children who ARE being abused in that compound, and HEAPED trauma on the rest. FAIL
petertrast 1 year ago
i can't believe they just let it go like that when it's 15 year old girls marrying men old enough to be their granddads!! I mean c'mon,
akissy 1 year ago
Warren Jeffs is a dirty old pedophile and justifying his deviant disgusting violence and abuse of girls and women. Even if there are not outward signs of abuse, the mental and physical (sexual) abuse are evident.
wwwpower1 1 year ago 3
How can this attorney bold faced look in the camera and state that there was nothing wrong?
Difference of opinion in child rearing and ethics?
Outward signs of abuse, how about DIRTY DISGUSTING OLD MEN taking too many young girls for SEX and having tons of babies with them and keeping them bound (brainwashed with fears) in a compound.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Pole Hugger/Weeping Marie is so fake.
ProudTexan2010 1 year ago
Its amazing how there was very little proof all this was going on but all the posts from these stupid people say "take the children away" how stupid all you people are.... Find the police reports that prove there was wrong doing. They dont exsist. Go figure
mrmm2611 1 year ago
I am pretty sure that attorney was well paid to say that. Who believes an attorney anyway... its their job to deffend these perverts.
lunaseca 1 year ago 3
@lunaseca Well, Wheres the proof then? Your "pretty sure" and im "pretty sure" your dumb as bag of horse shit
mrmm2611 1 year ago
@mrmm2611 ... I would rather be dumb and not a pervert like you. "Where is the proof"... pssssss
lunaseca 1 year ago
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Muhammad married Aisha at age Six had sex *(thighing) with her to age Nine at which time he had full intercourse with her. Muhammad's pedophile lust didn't end there. He had his on at least one other baby girl stating that if he lived long enough he would also take her as his "Bride" at age Six. So don't believe Muslims when they tell you that they oppose child marriage they are being bare-faced Liars
.*Thighing is a practice where Muslim men rub their penis between a child's thighs.
NoShariaInEurope 1 year ago 13
@NoShariaInEurope Marrying a child is still practiced and allowed in Saudi Arabia, the 'home" of Islam.
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@NoShariaInEurope I'm sorry dear, for you've wasted your time and effort on the wrong info. There's only one true source when it comes to any info regarding Muslims & Islam, and that is the REAL Quran. (Not the fake ones that are everywhere nowadays.) If there's anything wrong (terrorism, misuse of polygamy, absurd stories on Muhammad, etc) it's the followers (who misunderstand things or were miseducated), NOT the religion. May the truth prevail and all religions live harmony together. Ameen. :)
wanygraphy 10 months ago 7
@wanygraphy ....THE FAKE KORANS WERE MADE BY MUSLIMS TO GIVE TO DUMB AMERICANS IN YOUR PLAN FOR CHRISLAM....YOU LEFT OUT THE SURA'S THAT SAY YOU ARE COMMANDED TO BEHEAD ALL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS....MUSLIMS WHO LEFT THE FAITH ARE SPEAKING OUT!.....YOU ARE A DECEIVING DEVIL COMMANDED TO MURDER AND LIE BY allah=SATAN.....REPENT...
NOSERPICOINUTAH 5 months ago
@NOSERPICOINUTAH You're really in your own world, dear. Chrislam? Wow. Do come back to earth. :) About that Surah- you sure you're reading the REAL Quran? Cause you seem to misinterpret & misunderstand things no differently than any other 'blind' people. I feel sorry for you, my friend. Whoever you are, I'd never want to kill you. I'm with the REAL Islam & I do have a brain. The REAL Islam embraces people of every kind. Personally, I love all goodhearted people... including Christians & Jews. :)
wanygraphy 5 months ago
@wanygraphy Damn liar, your Quran clearly states to kill all Jews and non-Muslims, who do you think you are fooling, you intolerant trash, stop trying to force your cult of a religion on everyone else, your religion is intolerant and bigoted and you should go back to Islamic republic where only Muslims are allowed and Non-Muslims live in fear and persecution
elisabethkohler33 3 months ago
@wanygraphy Islam is a bigoted religion, live peacefully with other like Muslims are capable of doing so, they persecute Christians and other Non-Muslims in every Muslim country so as a Muslim following that false death cult religion....please shout up with your one way tolerance....stop giving people death threats for a simple cartoon and killing cartoonist and others expressing their freedom of speech....Muslim practices are worst than the FLDS
elisabethkohler33 3 months ago
@wanygraphy BULLSHIT!!
If the [un]holy books really were channelled by "God", they wouldn't be so easy to mis-use.
May all religions PERISH!!
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter But atheism which lead to the death of 150,00,000 people in the past 100 years not including millions of babies killed each year since the feminist movement can't be misused? Moron: study history and stop being a fault finding stereotyper before opening your mouth idiot: ignorant people can't teach, duuuh. And dummy: learn what logical fallacies are: you committed "begging the question" meaning U DIDN'T EXPLAIN YOURSELF. Stop being a lumper Mr Worship-Me-Instead!
ShazamVanBane 1 month ago 7
@ShazamVanBane I believe in life after death. I believe in a spiritual reality. A higher reality. Why should that automatically mean bow to Jahve and Jesus? I bow to the principles of respet for life. Something the "Holy" Bible negates.
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter stop ranting schizo
adobochickens 1 month ago
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@ShazamVanBane I'm against aborton with no grounds, if that was what you were asking me.
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@Thesortvokter oooo, the ranter is a good guy now because he's against killing babies, now we should all listen to u, and dude, he's not asking you a thing, he clearly refuted your dumbness. go learn already. And no, learning isn't "google: why bibble wrong" *reads skepticbible and whybiblevil and ignores all other sites, even atheist ones that hurt his brain*. Weak minded idiot. You're a brute.
adobochickens 1 month ago
@adobochickens Fucking smug christian, who was it that started talking aboiut abortions as if christians were the only once that could possible be against it? And who the fuck kills thousands of babies in the old testiclament?
YOUR FUCKING DEVILGOD, THAT'S WHO.
That's who you're nothing but hypocrites!YUOU go fucking learn about the true nature of the beast Jahve!! I don't need the internet to tell me you are deilworshippers, I just need the bible. Your "God" is a worse brute.
Thesortvokter 1 month ago
@wanygraphy "the REAL Quran" and which of the FOURTEEN versions would that be?: ww w.fourteen. tk <--- highlight drag and drop into your urls people. Also, have muslims refuted answeringislam. org yet? Far from it, just made more fools of themselves. 3rd: how many more years have to pass before muslms refute 20questions. tk? Stop lying, assuming, and boasting. What is blasphemy is not saying "God has a son," or teaching the trinity, but claiming to be able to earn God's eternal love.
ShazamVanBane 1 month ago 7
PROZAC may help these people.
Come on AP showed that bed 1/2 dozen times, WTF,
The clean white sheets on the bed were even funnier, WTF.
These people make poor white trash look like rock stars.
jendeh1000 1 year ago
@jendeh1000 prozac? Prozac can trigger extremely strong suicidal impulses. It was banned.
Fototrick 1 month ago 2
@Fototrick , My bad, lets use Zoloft, or Paxil, they have fewer side effects.
jendeh1000 1 month ago
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58 WIVES?????? 12 YR OLD MARRIED TO HIM!!!!! Oh Lord, have Mercy on his soul. I wonder what Jeff will tell my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ on judgement day. He honestly needs to be very sorry about this. I know deep down his heart, Jeff knows he is wrong. Please Lord have mercy on Mr. Warren Jeff's soul. May he realize what he has done is very wrong and is not to your Word of the bible.
rkimani87 1 year ago 3
@rkimani87 You should look up narcissism disorder: ww w. narcissm. tk
People like Jeff can never be saved, because they are mentally ill in a permanent way that makes permanently hateful, in other words, unsalvageable.
Fototrick 1 month ago
58 WIVES?????? 12 YR OLD MARRIED TO HIM!!!!! Oh Lord, have Mercy on his soul. I wonder what Jeff will tell my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ on judgement day. He honestly needs to be very sorry about this. I know deep down his heart, Jeff knows he is wrong. Mercy on Mr.Warren Jeff's soul. May he realize what he has done is very wrong and is not to your Word of the bible.
rkimani87 1 year ago
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@rkimani87 You should look up narcissism disorder: ww w. narcissm. tk
People like Jeff can never be saved, because they are mentally ill in a permanent way that makes permanently hateful, in other words, unsalvageable.
Fototrick 1 month ago
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rkimani87 1 year ago
The brainwashing these children experience is horrible. By the time they are adults they have completely acclimated. They suck from the welfare system - they don't want to follow the laws of the land, but they sure as heck will benefit from it. I feel sorry for these children - they are the only innocents in the whole lot of them. Those women's tears didn't make me feel sad for their loss of children for a time, I just pity them and their inability to think clearly. It's sick.
byfaith116 1 year ago 2
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@Jadicegirl Maybe there will be a movie or tv mini series about this event
fungirl1950 1 year ago
@Jadicegirl Maybe there will be a movie or tv mini series a bout this misfourtune?
fungirl1950 1 year ago
he wanted to have multiple sex partners bottom line....the children were under mind control, b/c the mothers were under mind control. USA citizens are under mind control too, but dang, at least we have enough sense to know little babies should not be having babies....
HipHopcheerleader 1 year ago
dissgrace a 12yr old got to be kidding sick in the head you would have to bee.
millionairat31 1 year ago
That is so terrible. 12 years old!!!! Poor girl, thank god they stepped in to save her.
maureen1002 2 years ago 3
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12 year old is an adult based on biology and science. just based on your hypocritical law where the age opf consent is 12 but the minimum age of marriage is 18 which means fornicate after 12 is okay but how dare you get married. your hate for marriage and your love for fornication and homosexuality and all other abominations is evident
shorty40merza 1 year ago
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Nepthu 2 years ago
Jeff Warren was a evil man this is so sicking i wish i could just go in there and give him hysterectomy, none of this is god's wish. I mean he obviously has some serious mental problems if he has sex with 12 and 13 year old's i mean my gosh..
leighgirl123 2 years ago
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12 year old girl is not an adult? when did you get your period? when did you first have a boyfriend(fornication partner)? i see that girls at 10 or 12 already into relationships and some of them fornicate
shorty40merza 1 year ago
your kidding
llandod77 1 year ago
@shorty40merza What kind of people are you looking at ?
crystalrain666 1 year ago
There's more to adulthood than having a period.
paulaegraham 1 year ago
if you mean growing a brain then you would never do that even when your 80 so good luck encouraging your kids to fornicate (girlfriend boyfriend) while you enjoy your minimum age of marriage bullshit
shorty40merza 1 year ago
Don't assume that your experience is universal.
No 12 year old should be having sex. No 12 year old should be put in a position (wife) where sex is part of the job description.
No matter how offensive you are, these facts won't change.
paulaegraham 1 year ago 3
Why wasn't the last child returned to the mother? What happened to it?
fungirl1950 1 year ago
@fungirl1950 That child was proven to have been twelve when she was forced into an underage marriage. From what I have read, she has since been placed in foster care and is doing well. :)
Jadicegirl 1 year ago
@Jadicegirl That is good news. All the other children are doing well?
fungirl1950 1 year ago
@fungirl1950 Sadly, most of the children haven't been heard from since being returned. I just read Caroly Jessop's new book "Triumph," and she mentions what went wrong in the Texas raid. It is believed that since Texas CPS didn't have the resources to fully process all the abuse cases, the kids were simply returned. I think the moms had to take parenting classes, and most of the dads didn't acknowledge their kids. The book is really detailed, you might enjoy it. :)
Jadicegirl 1 year ago
@Jadicegirl Maybe there will be a movie or tv mini series a bout this mis fourtune?
fungirl1950 1 year ago
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fungirl1950 1 year ago
You have got to be kidding.....girls at 10 or 12 should still be playing with barbie dolls, riding bikes and giggling with friends. It is a sad case to see such young girls acting like adults. They are not. Their emotional state and even the physical brain is still childlike. These girls are forced into marriage....not merely arranged by parents for good practical reasons but forced against their will and told they are going to hell if they disobey.
MultiHannah1995 1 year ago
by the way i am not supporting warren jeffs
shorty40merza 1 year ago
@leighgirl123 leigh, do you know anything about morality, culture, religion, logic? With no careful thought you just condemned all of Spain, Afghanistan, Papua, New Guinea, and over a billion others who've died. You also condemned righteous King David who slept with a 12 yr old before he died (but didn't touch her). She was considered by some of David's servants to be the most beautiful girl in Israel. And is God sick for making it possible for 13 yr olds to have babies? Think.
ShazamVanBane 1 month ago
@ShazamVanBane You just sited several developing countries, Americas a modern society, and don't even start with the bible, I can't think of a worse gauge of human actions then the old testament.
THEBURNINGTIGERS 3 weeks ago
The lawyer is a freaking ambulance chaser!
Prime Example!!
AzBirdDog 2 years ago
this is america we should be free 2 do what we want.they just did this 2 make poligamy look like mulestation so they can out law it.pretty soon thell be knocking on the musiliems door who got more then 1 wife.
calibon1 2 years ago
@calibon1 it is illegal to have multiple wives, so i hope they get any muslims who think they are above our law, and use as americans. if you think these people are in the right in any way, you are a bad person :P
3xcursi0n 2 years ago
And if they did, I would applaud it!
We are free, if we follow the laws which govern our country.
And you guys should be made to pay back every dime that you people took for government assistance!
Plus interest!!!
AzBirdDog 2 years ago
@calibon1 And now in english ?
u5chi1 2 years ago
fuckin idiot!!!!!!! Go to hell!!!!! meet your brother there!!!!!
12375lovely 2 years ago
what the hell they're wearing ??!! its creepy they look like they still live in an old era!!!!!!!!!!! wutta F****. creepy people !!
12375lovely 2 years ago
Its like the film crew walked out of a time machine.
TheClassicalLiberal 2 years ago 4
Fuck em' all they are not following the lord.
srt8srt4 2 years ago 3
sumbitch government.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
I cannot believe that people from outside FLDS would support these people. They have broken the law by being polygamous in the first place. Everybody can cry and tell sad stories. These childeren and women are brainwash. This guy is a psychopath narcist , pedophile and sexabuser like the prophet mohammed of islam. I think the police should be more punishing about polygam of christian sect and muslims. They are like rabits and overtaking us and our high values with retarded ideological claims.
RoadlessPath 2 years ago 9
I wonder if this stupid lawyer would have slept with an old man of 80 when she was forced to do it at 14??? All the women and children are brain washed, poor things.
9170126 2 years ago 48
58 wives and 100s of children?!
TheENweb 2 years ago
Warren Jeffs . What a nut case. lock him up throw away the key and let him rot in jail.
a6024686 2 years ago