Native Whey Protein Isolate - Undenatured Whey Protein

[nugrafonthablock]

Some one is blocking my posts- if not you thaen i am sorry. I am not duplicating either.

[nugrafonthablock]

Why do you keep denying my posts? Are you desparate to sell fake crap? Do you really not care to know about the science and bad science behind what you think is genuine protein?

[sawboy2]

@nugrafonthablock What the hell are you talking about, I deleted none of your posts unless they were duplicate. Selling fake crap...I dont think so. what fake science are you talking about?

[nugrafonthablock]

Research has it that, what you seek you shall find. I have been pumping iron for 25 years and never needed anything but water with some fruits and nuts etc to replenish vital nutrients. Don't ever believe the marketing hype which is behind 97 percent of the ad's and articles out there. And don't think that the protein in your shake is genuine, and has all the components of Hydrogen, Carbon, Oxygen, and Nitrogen in their precise orders and values. The garden is the truth

[nugrafonthablock]

The best proteins, also known as the only proteins, are the ones that are never processed. That would a be salad comprised of spinach, tomatoes or anything from the garden. You can add some sliced raw almonds for extra ummff. Anything processed like whey is, will always be of lesser nutrient value than the original source. It doesn't matter that it was only pasturized once. U didn't tell what temp it was heated to. or how long. Oxygen also damages proteins and the chemical bonds of aminos.

[sawboy2]

@nugrafonthablock Try but realistically you're not going to be able to consume 35 grams of protein coming from the garden in one serving. And dairy proteins even though processed have nutrients that fruits and veggies dont. Namely Immunoglobulins. IGG help out the immune system tremendously. The temp is 160 degrees for 10 seconds.

[nugrafonthablock]

@sawboy2 Where is it scientifically written or proven that you need 35 grams or any particular amount? That literature doesn't exist (except in marketing). All the things in my garden will provide me with every nutrient i will ever need for the rest of my healthy life. I don't need your form/type of antigens/antibodies (Immunoglobulins). I have not even had a cold since 1995 (true story). I don't get any illnesses - NONE. So you can keep spending money on fake stuff all you like.

[sawboy2]

@nugrafonthablock Theirs plenty of research that comes to the conclusion that post exercise in order to trigger anabolism you need a certain amount of carbs, and protein. And better yet leucine. Thus if you took whatever you can eat from your garden in one serving and one of my protein shake and I drank it. Most likely you'd still be catabolic and I would be anabolic. you need protein post recovery, its any athlete knows this. I agree with you that "your garden" is really the best.

[sawboy2]

@sawboy2 I'm a big gardener myself and only use organic fertilers like fish and bat guano. Never chemicals. I'm just saying its tough to get the protein from the garden. ever have a jersey tomato! they are simply the best!

[nugrafonthablock]

@sawboy2 Research has it that, what you seek you shall find. I have been pumping iron for 25 years and never needed anything but water with some fruits and nuts etc to replenish vital nutrients. Don't ever believe the marketing hype which is behind 97 percent of the ad's and articles out there. And don't think that the protein in your shake is genuine, and has all the components of Hydrogen, Carbon, Oxygen, and Nitrogen in their precise orders and values. The garden is the truth.

[HornyStud247]

I'm a fan but you cannot say you discovered this.

There are at least rwo eu co's now making native whey. Your source with 'tal' in the name is one. They do three types all instant and even one isolate with reduced lactose.

I've tried a few samples and I do agree it is better with a cleaner taste.

Great product but as for disovery - a few multi-billion dairies may take issue with that! :-)

[sawboy2]

@HornyStud247 First to the market.

[HornyStud247]

@sawboy2 I'll go along with that! :-)

[changoboy79]

thanks man u have have just helped me make my decision for which protein i am going to order thanks and really like all the choices i get to have when buying from u guys

[sawboy2]

@changoboy79 Good to hear. Glad it helped and thanks for the business.

[dx398]

What do you think about Immunocal, are they not the original non denatured whey protein producers who hold world wide patents for their process.

[sawboy2]

@dx398 I dont know much about Immunocal, they dont tell you much about the product, but I can tell you this. the powder is denatured somewhat. Its spray dried thus it involves heat.

[jaded007]

The thing with grass fed cows now is that they are exposed to environmental pollutants that have settled at ground level. These pollutants are heavy metals such as cadmium, mercury, arsenic, lead which when consumed are deposited in fatty tissue which eventually work their way to contaminate both the meat and the dairy obtained from the cow.

[samherb1]

Why are you "not a fan" of grass fed cows? You do know that is what they like to eat right?

[sawboy2]

@samherb1 I am a fan of grass fed, but th eproblem is is that you CANNOT prove it. Supplement company's can say all they want, but you cannot prove it. so you know alot of supplement company's are saying that their whey protein comes from grass fed cows, but they have no clue, because they are not the manufacturers. Proteinfactory is a FDA registered and inspected manufacturing facility.

[samherb1]

@sawboy2 Gotcha.....Thanks for the explanation.

[CodyA300]

Any chance of you guys creating a native whey thats instantized with egg, instead of soy? Because I dont like estorgens and trypsin inhibitors in my protien shakes...

[bigfattrolllord]

So all the stuff you sold before was shit? When it said "how ever many grams per serving" we were only able to absorb half of that number? Maybe the labels should report how many grams of protein you can actually utilize instead of the actual grams. Protein is denatured the second it hits your stomach so who cares how many times its been denatured previously? Maybe, one less step for you stomach might actually be a good thing? Who knows? I guess nobody does.

[sawboy2]

@bigfattrolllord No, whey protein from cheese is NOT completely denatured as it still contains protein subfractions. and remember we buy whey protein for the protein and amino acids they contains. whey protein is very high in BCAA's. But unlike in the 90's when whey protein first came out we now know that whey protein can be anabolicly bioactive from the protein subfractions. The denaturing from heat is different than the enzyme's the stomach uses to digest protein.

[McTDEUCE]

is your Bio-Fresh whey from cheese then? how bout bio fresh native whey.

[sawboy2]

@McTDEUCE Yes the biofresh is from cheese. My native whey isolate is the only instant whey isolate made from Milk.

[ipodtester1]

That's pretty funny to see a company get angry and shoot back comments on YouTube anyways good job i have yet to try this stuff, I just started lifting weights 3 weeks ago.

[sawboy2]

@ipodtester1 We are getting in concentrate in the end of January too. the native whey isolate was a success. thank you for the comments

[herbgardner00]

why would you not be a fan of grass fed cows? this is the natural diet of cows and the milk and meat from that cow is much more nutritious.

[sawboy2]

@herbgardner00 Maybe I wasnt clear in the video. The problem with using "Grass Fed" as a marketing tool by the protein company's is that there is no standard or certification for this. Its all heresay.  Unlike "organic" which is monitored by the USDA. The term "grass-fed" can be used by anyone without merit. So of course supplement company's use grass fed and then have no proof that it actually comes from grass fed dairy cows.

My native whey isolate is from grass fed dairy and rBST free

[herbgardner00]

@sawboy2 thanks for the reply. i see what you mean now and agree with you. glad to hear your whey is from grass fed dairy, i just ordered my first bag the other day and am now more excited to try it!

[bajohnson32able]

I love the fact that the quality and source of the whey protein is much higher than what is currently on the market. Most of what I have seen comes from grain feed cows feed hormones and is later pasteurized.

I am excited to try this product but do have a few questions. How is this different from other 'raw' whey proteins on the market? You say this is the first, but I have seen a few others dating back to about 5 years ago (or more). What is the difference compared to some of those products?

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[sawboy2]

@bajohnson32able . Its illegal to sell raw milk products in the U.S. Yes I know that some do it, but they are doing it on the black market. Secondly anyone who uses raw milk products is really risking their health every single time. Salmonella and ecoli, listeria, can and does kill people. So these company's marketing raw whey protein are pretty much lieing. I have the only instant native whey protein isolate. The proof is in the numbers. all you have to do is look at the IGG content.

[sawboy2]

@bajohnson32able all you have to do is look at the IGG content. Notice my super plasma which is 100% undenatured has a 50% IGG content. Then my Monster V which has a 10% IGG content. Then my native whey isolate which has a 5% IGG content. Whey protein from cheese will have less than 1% IGG. So to compare simply find out what the IGG content is. If they dont know, they are bullshitting you.

[peachy6969]

I'm not sure you have the right name for your product. If the protein is made directly from milk, why is whey still in the name? Also, whey is not made from cheese, it's made with cheese. Also cheese making doesn't have a second pasteurization, the curds and whey are heated but not enough to denature them.

How do you know it's more bio-active?

[sawboy2]

@peachy6969 The product comes directly from milk. To see how its made go to our native whey isolate page We know the product is more bio-active by looking at the immunoglobulin content. Native whey protein isolate have an immunoglobulin content much higher than whey proteins coming from cheese. Cheese making DOES indeed go through two pasteurizations. Once from the cow to the milk then from the milk to the cheese. It does denature they whey somewhat. Not all because cheese whey still has

[sawboy2]

@sawboy2 cheese whey still contains protein subfractions, like Igg, but not nearly as high as native whey . That is how you know the difference between bio active whey and cheese whey. Simply take a look at the protein subfraction numbers. If their high its highly undenatured. Like my super plasma and Monster V. Super plasma is a beastly 50% Igg, and MOnster V is 10%. Both do NOT have to go through pastuerization. Numbers are proof of a great protein, not just heresay.

[DBiUpload]

you say you're not a fan of grass fed cows? whats an alternative and how would that affect the protein

[sockouk]

''Alex Rogers, the worlds foremost expert on protein supplementation''....so you know more than Tipton, Wolfe, Burd, Phillps and the like?

[sawboy2]

@sockouk as far as protein goes...I know alot...i dont compare myself to other people. I simply do what I like to do...turn out one of a kind protein powders. I've made available for the first time in history an instant native whey protein isolate. That I feel is an amazing development

[sockouk]

Normal Whey protein is made as a by-product of making cheese. It is not made from cheese itself. Therefore it is still made from milk

[sawboy2]

@sockouk yes, and then its made from cheese then whey.

[bdc3053]

Sto, you have no idea what you are talking about. Ingesting Chinese stimulants and comparing this product to whey concentrate, and not knowing any of the processes or sources?

I will use gaming nerd terms you will understand.

Your post is an EPIC FAIL.

[angelo212]

JESUS! Can't you bring the price down a bit? Who the heck can afford it. Also, if doesn't taste like water and mixes horrible. Can't see anybody getting better results from this over priced protein then WPI. Stick to WPI. There will be no difference in your overall fitness goals except an empty wallet.

[sawboy2]

@angelo212 Not right now. I would disagree with you. Up until I brought it to the market, whey protein has all been from cheese. so until people start usinng whey protein from milk, the results are debatable. I think you'll get more muscle gains from native whey

[Sto20784]

that def is not instantized....and def doesnt taste "like water"

[sawboy2]

@Sto20784 Define instantized you shithead...if youre so smart how do company's instantized powder?

[Sto20784]

optimum nutrition protein mixes wayyy easier....

[sawboy2]

@Sto20784 and because ON comes from cheese and is a concentrate my native whey isolate is 1,000 times better. Hey asshole, guess who manufacturers ON' whey protein?

[DBiUpload]

@Sto20784 optimum nutrition is a joke

[Sto20784]

FAIL on the protein and FAIL on your mixing skills

[sawboy2]

@Sto20784 Why because your jealous?  Let me guess your using super dump 250

[Sto20784]

@sawboy2 If you knew anything about supplements you would know "SUPERPUMP 250" is a pre-workout supplement....your BS protein is a "post workout supplement" therefore you lame comparison is void.

[sawboy2]

@Sto20784 Its a whey protein, it can be anything you want it to be you loser. Super DUMP 250 is nothing more than a kitchen sink supplement.

[DBiUpload]

@Sto20784 your body breaks down proteins when you workout so it is ideal to have protein before you workout to help with recovery, hence native whey would be fine. Choosing Super Pump on the other hand is just stupidity all it does is stimulate your adrenal glands.... nothing else

[rebeccahleigh]

AWESOME!!!

[DBiUpload]

Great stuff. Because it's more bioactive does this mean you should try and drink it straight away after mixing it?

[sawboy2]

@DBiUpload no, that does not matter