Distilling apple mash

[danksmoka10]

@pat1huey actually no i hate the show, im a shiner myself i guess i just use the old way of condensing with a bucket or barrel, but i will definitely check it out man, thanx

[danksmoka10]

dude wheres your worm bucket? you need a coil of copper pipe into a bucket of cold water to actually make the alcohol, your basically drinking poison dude!!!!!!!

[pat1huey]

@danksmoka10 I guess you've been watching moonshiners on the discovery channel. You can cool the mash with a "worm" in a bucket of water or you can make a condenser out of your takeoff tube. I made a couple more experimental stills after this one, but decided the cheapest thing to do is buy a still column from milehidistillingdotcom. They clamp to the top of a beer keg. Check'em out.

[codyology]

Basically looks like your running half what u need but you've probably figured that out now. Like dumping it into a thump keg without a outlet.

[westvirginiamtnman]

look how cute that lil guy is.... whats his name?

[pilgrim15801]

KA BOOOM

[pat1huey]

@pilgrim15801 Not very likely.

[blacksmither537]

I definatly wouldn't take your word for it!...nobody ever told you ten packs a yeast an what not.Im sorry sir, but I have ta give this video a thumbs down.

[pat1huey]

Sorry I did not meet your expectations. Go ahead and explain the "ten packs of yeast and what not" statement.

[sk8ingonfire]

what are some of the negatives of running your car of this stuff?-thnks

[pat1huey]

@sk8ingonfire Ethanol is somewhat corrosive to aluminum. It also swells most rubber seals. Ethanol absorbs moisture out of the air and increases water in your fuel but its not that big a problem in a car fuel tank. Anything more specific you want to Know?

[solarcell2011]

You used epoxy? Not to bright but im sure youve figured that out by now lol. How do you expect to make alcohol if you dont cool the vapor coming from your mash?

[pat1huey]

@solarcell2011 I just wanted to throw something together as cheap as possible. I never intended to drink it so the epoxy was fine. I used a wet towel to cool the outlet tube, but didnt work too well. The last stills I built have condensers on them.

[solarcell2011]

@pat1huey Understood but my concern about the epoxy was not about anyone drinking it but your house burning down lol

I was gonna make a still and run my car off alcohol but unfortunately after a lot of research discovered that alcohol as a fuel is very problematic and not worth it no matter how cheap it is to make :(

[pat1huey]

@solarcell2011 Nothings getting burned down with me standing right there. The sink is to my right, there is baking soda in the cabinet, and a fire extinguisher under the sink. And there isnt really a good ignition source near the leak including the stove eye.

I wouldnt use it as fuel unless I was willing to deal with those problems as they arise. Pretty much any alternative fuel is going to cause problems in a vehicle that wasnt designed to use it.

[HappyJackProduction1]

@pat1huey Thats good you take safety precautions, you may not know this but any good mechanic will tell you that the E85 running vehicles are having loads of problems burning E85 which is alcohol and they were designed to run E85. So a lot of folks may be paying 20 cents cheaper for gas ( big deal lol) but along with that fantastic savings ( <sarcasm inserted ) they are paying high end mechanic bills as well lol.

[GroverGee]

@HappyJackProduction1 do you have a source other than "any good mechanic"? If this is as big a problem as you make it out to be there would be all kinds of studies. Are there any you can point me to? I think your info is BS you heard on FOX or Rush but I am open to new information.

[HappyJackProduction1]

@GroverGee Well you can google the info and follow the links to articles. You can use youtube and see all the mechanics talking about the problems. To be honest im tired of doing research for other people, this is why your not informed, because you rely on or want others to do the footwork for you. I dont know why you would assume i get my " BS info" from fox or rush lol. Im not a sheep, what that means is i dont take anything i hear from main stream media to be credible since they're ALL liars.

[GroverGee]

@HappyJackProduction1 yeah- i thought you made it up.

[IWPRO]

u know that ur boiling it so that means that its not alcohol anymore. u cant let it boil!

[pat1huey]

@IWPRO Ethanol alcohol boils at 172 to 174 degrees. It has to boil to evaporate and rise up the column.

[IWPRO]

@pat1huey it doesnt have to boil to evaporate. its just has to be about 10-20 degrees below the boiling temp.

[pat1huey]

In a reflux still the mash has to reach the boiling point of ethanol or the vapors will not rise up the column. At 152-162 or 154-164 you will not produce any ethanol. When the mash quits boiling while still at 172-174 degrees your run is done and there is no alcohol left in the mash.

[IWPRO]

@pat1huey oh ok. im sorry. i was told wrong by a jackass then. i am so sorry. i really was told when u boil alcohol, it loses its alcohol content. so i am sorry.

[pat1huey]

@IWPRO No problem. Theres a lot of misinformation out there.

[IWPRO]

@pat1huey yes there is

[77sierra1]

try useing an oat meal mixure for the seal ive used it and it works alrite not great but just an idea

[pat1huey]

@77sierra1 Thanks. I have used flour paste, but its kinda messy.

[gordonganey]

Just take the time and money and make a copper pot still...... and read some literature about making whiskey.

[pat1huey]

@gordonganey "Just take the time and money and make a copper pot still" I got something else in mind.

"and read some literature about making whiskey." See the more info section. I am interested in car fuel.

[chrismallyon]

erm ... plastic ...silicon ... you wanna poison yourself.

distilled cider is called apple jack.

[pat1huey]

@chrismallyon Mainly interested in car fuel.

[SoCalxHeartbreaker]

FAIL

[pat1huey]

@SoCalxHeartbreaker Opinion noted.

[TheBrewNinja]

I did a run with apple one time myself and it wasnt that tasty; then again it was 180 proof! I ended up using it to make absinthe

[cbann24]

pressure cooker bro

[mrscaryspider]

i did that with a tea pot and 10 feet of copper tube in a bucket willed with water. i expected it to taste better or at least not smell and taste rotten

[pat1huey]

@mrscaryspider I tried a cheap tea pot setup similar, but didnt get very high proof alcohol from it.

[mrscaryspider]

@pat1huey -----how did it taste

[pat1huey]

@mrscaryspider I didnt try any. Smelled pretty rotten and wouldnt burn. I'm almost done with a new still that is somewhat easy to construct and should make pretty high proof alcohol. It should be sanitary enough to produce consumable alcohol as well.

[Downsouthdipper]

what did you put in the mash to make it?

[d539827]

plastics is always a no-no. mainly because the ethanol breaks down plastics or rubbers and contaminates the hooch. Stainless Steel in my opinion is the best way to go, not to mention its cheaper than copper.

[MrSam1x]

I have heard some people use a presure cooker. I seen a really cool old style one that the lid turned a little ways to lock!

[djbro16]

if the water's boiling you're killing the yeast and condensing the water..

[pauluminous]

@djbro16

The yeast is already killed in the mash when it reaches a certain alcohol %.

I would even prefer to remove and throw out the yeast from the mash before distilling.

Also when distilling ur trying to get the alcohol and water seperated. Alcohol will evaporate/condens quicker then water. Condensing the water is pretty much undesirable, but unfortunately unavoidable.

[preluder2]

yo bro try a pressure cooker pot on amazon, like $90 for a 22-23 quart :D

[pat1huey]

@preluder2 See my crock pot still vid. It works pretty good.

[redghost105]

@pat1huey ive noticed when people distill alcohol they use copper tubing

if i start to distill alcohol do i have to use cooper tubing or can i use plastic or pvc pipes?

[pat1huey]

@redghost105 Its best to stick with copper, stainless steel, or glass so you dont have any problems with heat melting stuff.

[redghost105]

@pat1huey where can i get copper tubing?

and do you know if i could make a still for undser 20$?

[pat1huey]

@redghost105 You can get copper tubing at any hardware store (lowes or home depot). You're probably looking at closer to $50.

[MrMrbaldy]

@redghost105 U may be able to build 1 for under 20 $ if u have most of the stuff already laying around your house . U will need tubing and a drill with a bit the same size as your tubing and some type of sealer to build the cooler .

[kze77]

.....crazy,

how to make a simple scrubber you can see at

MEIN-SCHNAPS.DE

[busyhands94]

don't use anything you wound not smoke out of. besides, plastic will leach into your booze which is bad

[OgreLaMagra100]

bran and flour mixed with water till a paste is made, or put rye in a blender and mix with water till a paste is made, oatmeal will also work for paste but doesnt harden as good as bran and flour

[YTwatchdawg]

@OgreLaMagra100 You been watching Popcorn.lol

[WuTangghost0007]

a pressure cooker good

[jasongiddensviper478]

Why would you use apple mash to make fuel? Do you live on or near an apple farm? If not, that is not a very cost friendly way to produce ethanol.

[aparolee]

LOL...

[elliottbradshaw]

I had to do some major reworking to my pressure cooker. I replaced the emergency rubber valve with a bolt and washers, stuck a screw in the other emergency vent and drilled out a bigger hole for the copper pipe. Works like a charm with a couple 10 pound rocks holding the sealed lid down. Round two in a few more days

[dmaher2007]

seal the lid with a flour and water doe mix, works real well

[samljer]

Plastic tubes are only ok if the vapour has already been converted back to liquid.

[Kitt0000]

Upgrade ya still bro, plastic doesn't belong in distilling either. If you have plastic in your setup, your bound for trouble. If you do it properly, you will get WAY better than store bought.

[01001011001001]

Both tea kettles and pressure cookers can be modded to make pretty good stills, if your interested : )

[iwantit162]

if you use the big pot then silicone and the add a pastry around the seal aswell to absorb any leaking thats what they do in russia

[matsutakneatche]

a terrible still. no offence, but dont do this at home kids. plastic, leaking? holy crap.

[pat1huey]

This was just something I threw together for proof of concept. I dont recommend anyone replicate this to make consumable alcohol. I am only interested in making car fuel. Everyone who messenges me about making moonshine, I refer to the alcohol fuel manual. The link is in the more info section. I am currently working on converting a water heater into a still. This thing here broke a long time ago. '

[NorwegianCrazyMan]

do you know how many C degree the steam is? Good to know when choosing the materials for the still.

[cuppycake51]

you should try a teakettle still like my hubby made...all you need is icemaking copper coil(comes in a pack sold in agway), a stainless steel teakettle, a rubbermaid drink cooler(with a spicket for dumping the water when it heats up) and a copper treaded pipe for the shine

[emoneyblue]

Don't use plastic only glass

[pat1huey]

Yeah, someone told me that plastic wasnt a good idea. Thanks

[aircoolbill]

hay fellow shiner, looking for a good easy boiler still that is safe, 15 gal. beer keg with a reflux tower. Simple suff remove the valve in the keg and add the reflux tower to the keg using the same oring that comes with the keg,this works great!

[buddyayres]

the aluminum dont melt?

[porsche1977924s]

also a flour water paste is 1 billion times safer, smarter, and easier then your nasty, poisonous chemical seal. yes you will have to make a new seal every time you use the still.

[porsche1977924s]

1) you need a condenser, remember pV=nRT, the ideal gas law. making T (temp) smaller will favor a condensation.

2) in fermenting, the tank need to be sealed and air less, its an a anaerobic process. produces CO2 so you need a air trap, like the u bend in your toilet/sink.

3) you should also throw out about the 1st 150-200mL of collected liquid, contains the shit that make you go blind.

a working still with a 1.5" pipe should be producing ~2-3 drops a second. 3"=~2L+/hr

[setinstonetx]

that still sux but it will probly make you drunk enough to have sex wiff a minga

[TexasHand1989]

Go to fish tank supplies. Get a charcole filter. It will clear out metanol. Or the shot glass rule. every gallon of mesh the first shot off the still is pure methonal. it vaporizes faster then alcohal and water so it'll come first. coffe filters wont do. it's kill ya if u drink to much. i like half and half with hawaian punch. good stuff.

[BurningTirez]

Yeah it needs a condenser. Thats why the vapors are forming, its not getting cooled enough. I started with a horrible little still that leaked and eventually blew the top off. Now I just use a little kettle that was made into a reflux still and can make about 3 quarts in a 6 hour run. Its usually around 170 proof and is damn good.

[pat1huey]

I am building the big still now. It is an electric hot water heater with two columns. I have a temperature control switch that will monitor temp via a thermocouple and activates a water pump for the condensers.

[cuppycake51]

any good sites where i can see how it's done anyone??

[pat1huey]

google the alcohol fuel manual. :)

[dipshitbaker]

email me ill let you know how to do it cheap .....

[seeionlywanto]

you need to run the copper tube through a tub of cold water before it hits the container

[pat1huey]

When I build the big still, it will have a condenser.

[Rototill27]

First off, I would not collect your distillate in a plastic container. Plasticizers used in the industry are soluble in polar organic solvents such as ethanol. I would run your hose through a rubber or cork stopper and into a clean glass bottle. Secondly,for a more effective distillation, you need to have your container that you use to collect your distillate lower in elevation than the vessel that your heating which contains the mixture. I'm a synthetic chemist btw. Hope that helps.

[pat1huey]

Thanks for the info. I'm just experimenting right now. I have a hot water heater tank that I may use to build a larger still with, but that will be later.

[Rototill27]

No Problem. I was just checking out videos on your channel and they are very interesting. You're going to make a great engineer. Keep up the good work.

[HomeDistiller]

use a little length of copper coil in a bucket of water and seal your still with flour dough... with a small still like that you wont need much... as for the temp i no longer look at the temp for a pot still (for flavor) but if you want pure then run slow and run 3 or 4 times...

[pat1huey]

Flour dough...interesting idea. Sealing has been an issue. I have already built a condenser of sorts, but this still had some issues so I wont be using it any more. I will probably have a look at some big turkey friers setups to modify.

What do you suggest for packing the column? My pot scrubbers deteriorated, so I was thinking maybe coarse bronze wool? I dont know if it would work for someone wanting to drink the stuff, but it should be okay to make fuel, right?

[HomeDistiller]

i would use ether copper srcubbers or stainless steel scrubbers... the turkey fryer should work... but to make fuel you will need to design a reflux head have a read at homedistiller(dot)org

[crob227]

good deal, hey if you want to make a condenser, feed a piece of copper out of the bottle about 10inches, then curve it back down, but now you got to get a piece of copper about 15" long and cork it on one side and fill it with sand the cork the other side, and you can bent copper in 1inch diameter without crimping it. then just uncork and clean....hope this helps write back

[pat1huey]

I'm not going to get that elaborate with this still. I got a couple of ideas for a bigger better still, but moneys tight right now.

[CaptainAwesomeHHO]

Like someone already commented, the closer you keep the temperature to 78°C the purer the ethanol you get out of it. When it's boiling like that (probably ~100°C or even higher) you get water vapor and other stuff you don't want to put in your car.

[pat1huey]

I couldnt find my thermometer, so I tried to set the stove at the same spot it was last time I used the still.

[teamtruck1]

sugar with bakers yeast works well, after fermentation I put it in the freezer and dipped out the ice. I realize this only helps on a small scale. I used a crock pot with the lid upside down and a plastic container floating to catch the drips. Put ice on top it will speed things along

[pat1huey]

I tried the upside down lid thing as well, but I need to get something bigger. I think a big pressure cooker would be ideal to modify.

[RHEAD100]

Thanks pat. You are a true insperation. I will start my experimenting for fuel alcohol today.

[pat1huey]

Good luck.

[RHEAD100]

Thanks; I am going to need a lot of luck. Started yesterday. Useing old donuts from donut shop. Got to learn how to get the grease of the top of the mash. Think I will try both ways. One with grease and one without. Will let you know what happens.

[davinpilling]

That is cool, could you cook your old food you through away and run it in your car?

[pat1huey]

Has to be saccharine or starch based for the yeast to ferment it.

[m3sca1]

you want a thermometer on the top of the risertube-cos when you go over temp the water will come thru.

[pat1huey]

I normally use a laser thermometer, but I couldnt remember where I put it.

[m3sca1]

thats probably ok but i think a bulb type sitting in the vapour path would be more accurate.

you will be reading the outside of the tubes with the laser thermometer,and that will give you a lag time,between the temp inside and the time it takes to see that change on the outside.

good job anyway-im sure your having fun....

[pat1huey]

Yeah, I'm still debating on materials for a bigger still. Money is the biggest issue

[jdcmusicman]

Nice I been reading a little here and there on making ethanol ,havent tried it yet tho..

[pat1huey]

Making the alcohol is the easy part. This little setup is no good. Its starting to leak around the metal on the lid edge.