Jfk Jr was going to interview Oliver Stone about the assassination in George magezine before he met his father's fate. 15 hours to look start looking where his family said he was. the press never mentioned the missing plane seat. Ever heard of such a small plane having no passenger seat? Why? This video should be MANDATORY in all schools.
@itsanameisntit why are you making up this idiotic nonsense? JFK jr DID meet Oliver Stone, and declined to interview him after deciding he was a delusional paranoid sleazebag.
@flouride666 I don't know where you're getting your info from, perhaps the same people who said (on the day of his death), that he was "a reckless pilot", even though every teacher he ever had said the exact opposite. Could you please site your reference here? I read that Stone was scheduled to do the interview. Anyway, A person would have to be very afraid to think for themselves in order to believe that LHO killed JFK alone.
@itsanameisntit American Son, by Richard Blow, JFK Jr.'s editor at the magazine the interview would have been for. This was in November 1995, four years before JFK Jr. died. So, what was your source for saying "Jfk Jr was going to interview Oliver Stone about the assassination in George magezine before he met his father's fate"?
@flouride666 Interesting choice; he fired 2 employees of G mag for talking to the press, then disavowed a confidentiality agreement to write his own book. Criticized for not being nearly close enough to JFK Jr. in order to write his biography, Blow eventually had to change his name due to being deemed a pariah in NY editorial circles. Yet, even he quotes JFK Jr. as apologizing for not getting the Stone interview.
@itsanameisntit 5. Richard Blow AKA Richard Bradley: Later, back in New York, Kennedy apologized for not getting the story. "He shuddered as he said, 'I just couldn't sit across a table from that man for two hours. I just couldn't. ' "
@itsanameisntit ...and? what specifically is your point? "they" killed JFK Jr. 4 years after he decided *not* to interview Oliver Stone, and also people think Blow is a meanie?
@itsanameisntit So now we have clearly established once and for all that Stone DID indeed do the article which you so profusely argued that he did not, I put this and the fact the JFK Jr was the only Kennedy to believe in a conspiracy in his father's death, and his Newsweek interview in which he said he was going to run for National office. He'd have been a shoe-in.
@itsanameisntit Also, if you can still find the ever disappearing link try "National Transportation Safety Board" article NYC99MA178 which strongly contradicts the earlier media propagated story. However, bear in mind that the original NTSB report has since been alterered rendering additional information concerning possible scenarios as to what "may have" happened (pure conjecture).
Just like 9/11 history repeated set off the law suits and the govt will crack! that is what is going on now.law suits are coming and the truth will follow. Keep your eyes and ears on Great Britain.
@dcmann2112 The truth is always there for those who think for themselves. Smart people know our government is a den of thieves and murderers. These days I literally start with the attitude that I know my government is lying because it is talking. Many people still believe the bullshit though and are born and bred followers. The government and it's owners will never tell the truth. The truth must be dragged from them by any means necessary and that is we the people's job.
I remember sitting in the theater watching this 20 yrs ago and dumbfounded at how the truth was alwasy there. Its amazing how much power was used to cover this up- AND how an entire generation/nation bought into the lie.
Now look back at the last 10 yrs of whats happend. Is it possible history has repeated itself?
see the penis of osiris in the background when he asked why? oliver stone is laughing at you all hes an agent --he told you .the mysteries killed kennedy in the temple of the sun called dealy plaza
Thumbs up for the main reasons for JFK murder: - Refusal on authorizing Operation North woods - Trying to end the CIA - Trying to abolish the Federal Reserve (Executive Order 11110) - Monitor and end the Israel's nuclear program
An absolutely brilliant scene - possibly the best in the history of American film. It deals with the whole nature of politics, war, military and business, and the way the military-industrial complex and financial elite have controlled our society for generations to line their own pockets. The scumbags who run our world hate it when the public sees scenes like this.
Ive really started researching JFK alot after the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy theory episode with the confession of E Howard Hunt. Kennedy was killed by the CIA for several reasons. He was withdrawing from Vietnam,he gave the secret society speech, and he vetoed Operation northwoods where the CIA would stage terror attacks on American cities to get the people pumped up to invade Cuba.
Also, look at the CIA/Bay of Pigs/Kennedy story. Bay of Pigs was a huge disaster; the CIA tried to manipulate JFK to invade Cuba (which could have led to WW3)
Sorry if this offends some people. It kind of took me by surprise but i just watched JFK with Oliver Stones director commentary and he said that this whole scene between Garrison and Mr. X (Prouty) never took place. Prouty didn't even meet with Garrison until many many years after the trial of Clay Shaw. Still one of the best movies i've seen.
@polskie90 I don't know why it would offend anyone. He made clear that the movie was a dramatization that drew on different sources. It's not a documentary.
@Maidentallideth i can give you some insight into why it would offend people. people believe anything they see in a movie... especially conspiracy theorists. you can bet there are some people that think this happened and what i said was some sort of smear campaign on Oliver Stone and act like a child and start calling me sheep. and your not right.. he didn't make it clear. a huge handful of people believe this movie is like %98 fact.
@polskie90 Yes I've heard Garrison and Prouty did not ever meet face to face. But another source said they actually corresponded through the mail. Although, all that is talked about in those letters is pretty much covered in this scene. They chose to do this scene with them actually meeting for a better dramatic effect. And it worked beautifully, I think.
@ole9421 Right... entertainment/movie purposes. Donald Sutherland is a genius in this scene. It is indeed in my opinion one of the best scenes of all time. I think that most people that can appreciate good acting and a great storyline would all agree.
BEST SCENE IN THE MOVIE. JOHN WILLIAMS TRACK THE CONSPIRATOR IS EPIC. This movie kept me up all night. No horror movie couldn't do that. Govt scares me. lol!
Kennedy never should have abandoned our guys during the Bay of Pigs. You don't fuck over people like that and expect them to just forget about it. I say his assassination was a military coup done in part as payback for the lives lost on our side in that whole Cuban debacle. Of course, no one can actually prove that, but it seems to me the CIA would be the ones best suited to extract retribution for what happened in Cuba, especially considering it was their own people who died there.
@superhornet69 Our guys? They were Cuban exiles not Americans that invaded during the Bay of Pigs. They were funded and trained by the CIA "operation mongoose," but it's not like he left 1,000 US Marines stranded on the island.
@pilamcnu ..Yes, thanks for that, I am well aware of the whole Bay of Pigs debacle. By "our guys" I meant it more as a euphemism for the anti-Castro forces (the exiles) that were on our side, the guys we were supporting and working with.
@Maidentallideth He doesn't say Don...what he says is "I don't...." but then he cuts himself off right in the middle of the word don't. I can see how you might think that though.
@TheDukeSpirit71 Yeah, I guess Costner's fake New Orleans accent through me off when he said "I"... btw, Garrison didn't have an accent... but Robin Hood did. Poor Kevin got it wrong on both counts. lol
I can't believe they named the Washington airport after Dulles...This was before the made a posyage stamp for the patsy Earl Warren which I refused to purchase,...;This obvious mistrial of justice was then replayed in the OJ Simpson trial..".If it doesn't make sense then it is probably not true"
I truly believe Oswald fired three shots and likely killed Kennedy but nothing has ever been presented to me to say that he wasn't helped or that no one knew beforehand. I mean if he was the only one shooting, then what about the guy that was hit on the overpass...by my count that is four bullets. Meaning someone else had to be involved and by definition, that is a conspiracy. someone else involved.
@phatty52677 Oswald missed his first shot. He was aiming almost straight down at a target that was moving laterally in his scope, tricky shot. Most believe he hit a tree causing a ricochet, which hit someone under the underpass. That's still 3 shots. No evidence of a 2nd shooter has emerged in 50 years. No evidence Oswald worked w/ anyone has emerged in 50 years. Every bullet and fragment found was confirmed to come from LHO. Where are the other bullets? LHO was more batshit than mrX.
@frankdrebin Again, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy and I'm not one to over think things like this...especially since it's unlikely there will ever be any real resolution to some of the legitimate questions that some people have. On the other hand your answer to my one question makes sense and it's an answer that I had heard before, but that doesn't mean I'm convinced. I guess when it comes down to it, I'm just not sure Oswald was alone...that no one but him was aware of what he was about to do.
@phatty52677 I don't see him any different than Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley, or the whack job that just shot Senator Gabrielle Giffords. The more you find out a/b him, the more he fits the profile. The more you find out the facts, the more you realize how absurd some of this is. You seem like a reasonable person, I suggest you do just that. I'm glad I live in a country that so permits people to think and say what they want. But some forget to reserve the right to use their fuckin brain.
@frankdrebin For me there is a big difference. The three lunatics that you mentioned all used pistols and fired at close range. What Oswald did reqired a skill that nearly all of us couldn't do. I was a sharp shooter in the military and I doubt I could have done it. Even in the military, a shot like that requires planning and at least one spotter. But I agree with you that most of the "theories" out there are absurd. I just won't say all of them are. Things aren't usually that clear cut.
@phatty52677 And the basic principles of that skill were acquired in the mil, and honed on a range. Where it's even documented someone helped him zero his optics. You can hit targets at 200 yards w/ an iron sight, and don't think you could hit a target moving away from you 10mph in a straight line w/ a 4X scope? If he was going for the head all the way, he technically missed twice. By the 3rd shot, JFK was hardly moving in his scope, but by then he had him zeroed. What a/b Charles Whitman?
@frankdrebin I tend to agree with you but there's no doubt that Oswald had help defecting to the Soviet Union then allowed to come back to the U.S. at the height of the Cold War. It's hard for me to think that would have been normal for the day and easy to accomplish. I think he had help and I certainly can't buy into the thought that an acquaintance of his, Jack Ruby, killed him to "spare Mrs. Kennedy the pain of a public trial." That's just too damn convenient and stretches credulity.
@Maidentallideth It's a free country. Want to go to North Korea? The US gov isn't going to stop you. Free country, even then. What you should be asking yourself is, what retard would want to go to the USSR? A complete wacko like Oswald, who cut his wrists when even the Soviets figured out he was a useless sack, and weren't going to let him stay. Jack Ruby was as big of a wanna be as Oswlad. And, there isn't a shred of evidence they ever met.
I'm not a conspiracy guy but this scene more than any other raises questions for me and not of the typical conspiracy questions but the ones of logic.
If this meeting actually did take place, X must have felt like a ton of bricks was just hoisted off of his shoulders after disclosing all of this information.
@TheTallMan35 "f this meeting actually did take place, X must have felt like a ton of bricks was just hoisted off of his shoulders after disclosing all of this information."
It didn't and we need to really learn to separate Hollywood from reality. Oliver Stone is as much a purveyor of propaganda as the government or the Warren Commission.
Tremendous amount of dialog handled by Sutherland and delivered like a real pro. The courtroom scene at the close by Costner is another heavy workload on memory but Costner shines as usual.
THis country is run by 500-rich families...The president is just the message....Kennedy fucked with them.....if you get in their way they will kill you..like kennedy did....
Perfection? How about a slap in the face to usa. They pretty much tell you the truth right in front of you and laugh. But, what I think happened oswalt was the fall guy never had anything to do with it(related tony Blair someone else). If u ever been jfk memorial you'll notice a tree blocks the view where oswalt shot and still to this day the same tree is there. Jason bourne is your other killer. Dontcha love Hollywood zionist, love there money.
In my mind, the single most riveting scene in the history of movies. An absolute masterpiece of film editing, aided by John Williams' brilliant, pulse pounding music. Sutherland is magnificent.
I agree. I remember when I first saw this my mouth dropped, especially when he began talking about Operation Mongoose, the military budget and (towards the beginning) the secret wars that the United States was in which I didn’t know about prior. The music may have aided it fit in so well.
Conspiracy or not, this scene affected me more than any other scene in (my) movie history, probably.
@theriverrock Agreed. And it propably tells something like the truth abt. a state within the state, operating for its own unhumane goals. "Who benefitted? - Follow the money, Mr. Garrison!"
@theriverrock Indeed. An epic peace of film. Furthermore, Stone is prob. closer to the truth behind the slaying of the Kennedys that the formal truth. "Who benefitted? Follow the money, Mr. Garrison!"
@theriverrock.... I did my own search on this part of the movie and came out that this man actually represents several people who accidentally were tasks with all kinds of assignments that made no much sense at the time. I wonder if my own discoveries were accurate. I hope that I am correct.
@sohrabah I agree 100%! The whole movie is a brilliant piece of work. Especially this scene. I've watched the movie quite a few times and watched this specific scene quite a few more times just on its own. The music, the editing outstanding. But its the subtle silhouetted features of Sutherland's face when he looks up from reading that paper at the airport and realizes whats really happening. Sends shivers up and down my spine every time.
Jfk Jr was going to interview Oliver Stone about the assassination in George magezine before he met his father's fate. 15 hours to look start looking where his family said he was. the press never mentioned the missing plane seat. Ever heard of such a small plane having no passenger seat? Why? This video should be MANDATORY in all schools.
itsanameisntit 3 days ago
@itsanameisntit why are you making up this idiotic nonsense? JFK jr DID meet Oliver Stone, and declined to interview him after deciding he was a delusional paranoid sleazebag.
flouride666 3 days ago
@flouride666 I don't know where you're getting your info from, perhaps the same people who said (on the day of his death), that he was "a reckless pilot", even though every teacher he ever had said the exact opposite. Could you please site your reference here? I read that Stone was scheduled to do the interview. Anyway, A person would have to be very afraid to think for themselves in order to believe that LHO killed JFK alone.
itsanameisntit 2 days ago
@itsanameisntit American Son, by Richard Blow, JFK Jr.'s editor at the magazine the interview would have been for. This was in November 1995, four years before JFK Jr. died. So, what was your source for saying "Jfk Jr was going to interview Oliver Stone about the assassination in George magezine before he met his father's fate"?
flouride666 2 days ago
@flouride666 Interesting choice; he fired 2 employees of G mag for talking to the press, then disavowed a confidentiality agreement to write his own book. Criticized for not being nearly close enough to JFK Jr. in order to write his biography, Blow eventually had to change his name due to being deemed a pariah in NY editorial circles. Yet, even he quotes JFK Jr. as apologizing for not getting the Stone interview.
itsanameisntit 1 day ago
@itsanameisntit 5. Richard Blow AKA Richard Bradley: Later, back in New York, Kennedy apologized for not getting the story. "He shuddered as he said, 'I just couldn't sit across a table from that man for two hours. I just couldn't. ' "
itsanameisntit 1 day ago
@itsanameisntit ...and? what specifically is your point? "they" killed JFK Jr. 4 years after he decided *not* to interview Oliver Stone, and also people think Blow is a meanie?
flouride666 1 day ago
@flouride666 Do a Google Image Search for "Ed Norton" and "George Magazine" in the search bar. You'll find lots of pics. (ie; whodatedwho)
itsanameisntit 1 day ago
@itsanameisntit So now we have clearly established once and for all that Stone DID indeed do the article which you so profusely argued that he did not, I put this and the fact the JFK Jr was the only Kennedy to believe in a conspiracy in his father's death, and his Newsweek interview in which he said he was going to run for National office. He'd have been a shoe-in.
itsanameisntit 1 day ago
@itsanameisntit Also, if you can still find the ever disappearing link try "National Transportation Safety Board" article NYC99MA178 which strongly contradicts the earlier media propagated story. However, bear in mind that the original NTSB report has since been alterered rendering additional information concerning possible scenarios as to what "may have" happened (pure conjecture).
itsanameisntit 1 day ago
The best scene of the whole movie. I love how smooth Donald Sutherland plays this part.
tallone1217 1 week ago
Great scene. Great score from John Williams. The editing and score are outstanding.
RightWingHunter666 2 weeks ago
Just like 9/11 history repeated set off the law suits and the govt will crack! that is what is going on now.law suits are coming and the truth will follow. Keep your eyes and ears on Great Britain.
dcmann2112 1 month ago
@dcmann2112 The truth is always there for those who think for themselves. Smart people know our government is a den of thieves and murderers. These days I literally start with the attitude that I know my government is lying because it is talking. Many people still believe the bullshit though and are born and bred followers. The government and it's owners will never tell the truth. The truth must be dragged from them by any means necessary and that is we the people's job.
heartfire451 1 month ago
I remember sitting in the theater watching this 20 yrs ago and dumbfounded at how the truth was alwasy there. Its amazing how much power was used to cover this up- AND how an entire generation/nation bought into the lie.
Now look back at the last 10 yrs of whats happend. Is it possible history has repeated itself?
masonTganes 1 month ago
The paralels between this and the 911 conspiracy are stagering. ( i cant spell)
Consider what our government was capable of in 1962 , the vietnam war.... now 911 to Iraq.
Its possible that BinLaden was the Lee Harvey of our generation.
masonTganes 1 month ago
see the penis of osiris in the background when he asked why? oliver stone is laughing at you all hes an agent --he told you .the mysteries killed kennedy in the temple of the sun called dealy plaza
robe1857 1 month ago
Thumbs up for the main reasons for JFK murder: - Refusal on authorizing Operation North woods - Trying to end the CIA - Trying to abolish the Federal Reserve (Executive Order 11110) - Monitor and end the Israel's nuclear program
renatonigro 1 month ago
shitstorm ala lahey
onenickelmiracle 1 month ago
An absolutely brilliant scene - possibly the best in the history of American film. It deals with the whole nature of politics, war, military and business, and the way the military-industrial complex and financial elite have controlled our society for generations to line their own pockets. The scumbags who run our world hate it when the public sees scenes like this.
TheLensSolution 1 month ago
WOOT WOOT! KIEFER'S DADDY!
ComeTogether365 2 months ago
Easy there! It was a mistake! Stop casting stones...
sundevilpoolsinc 2 months ago
"Standing there with our dicks in the wind."...LOL!! I really hate when that happens!
superhornet69 2 months ago
Mr.X? He has emailed mason in black ops.... :/
Tybyqy 2 months ago
Ive really started researching JFK alot after the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy theory episode with the confession of E Howard Hunt. Kennedy was killed by the CIA for several reasons. He was withdrawing from Vietnam,he gave the secret society speech, and he vetoed Operation northwoods where the CIA would stage terror attacks on American cities to get the people pumped up to invade Cuba.
theenforcer1977 2 months ago
@theenforcer1977
Also, look at the CIA/Bay of Pigs/Kennedy story. Bay of Pigs was a huge disaster; the CIA tried to manipulate JFK to invade Cuba (which could have led to WW3)
missopinionated1976 2 months ago
Sorry if this offends some people. It kind of took me by surprise but i just watched JFK with Oliver Stones director commentary and he said that this whole scene between Garrison and Mr. X (Prouty) never took place. Prouty didn't even meet with Garrison until many many years after the trial of Clay Shaw. Still one of the best movies i've seen.
polskie90 2 months ago
@polskie90
As this is a movie, Stone had to condense a pile of background information into one scene, and Mr X was the cinematic tool used to do it.
missopinionated1976 2 months ago
@missopinionated1976 Obviously.
polskie90 2 months ago
@polskie90 I don't know why it would offend anyone. He made clear that the movie was a dramatization that drew on different sources. It's not a documentary.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
@Maidentallideth i can give you some insight into why it would offend people. people believe anything they see in a movie... especially conspiracy theorists. you can bet there are some people that think this happened and what i said was some sort of smear campaign on Oliver Stone and act like a child and start calling me sheep. and your not right.. he didn't make it clear. a huge handful of people believe this movie is like %98 fact.
polskie90 2 months ago
@polskie90 Yeah, good points.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
@Maidentallideth excellent movie none the less. People just need to know how to weed out the bullshit.
polskie90 1 month ago
@polskie90 Yes I've heard Garrison and Prouty did not ever meet face to face. But another source said they actually corresponded through the mail. Although, all that is talked about in those letters is pretty much covered in this scene. They chose to do this scene with them actually meeting for a better dramatic effect. And it worked beautifully, I think.
ole9421 2 days ago
@ole9421 Right... entertainment/movie purposes. Donald Sutherland is a genius in this scene. It is indeed in my opinion one of the best scenes of all time. I think that most people that can appreciate good acting and a great storyline would all agree.
polskie90 1 day ago
BEST SCENE IN THE MOVIE. JOHN WILLIAMS TRACK THE CONSPIRATOR IS EPIC. This movie kept me up all night. No horror movie couldn't do that. Govt scares me. lol!
MR X is Col. L. Fletcher Prouty USAF ret.
MRTEL7777 2 months ago
I was half expecting him to say "May the force be with you" at the end lol.
orkavorn 2 months ago
you don't have to be a conspiracy guy to love this scene. it's the ultimate insider disclosure sequence. suspend your disbelief and enjoy
logant44 2 months ago
My favorite part of the movie!!! Academy Award material if Sutherland's character had more screen time.
stewiedog01 3 months ago
Kennedy never should have abandoned our guys during the Bay of Pigs. You don't fuck over people like that and expect them to just forget about it. I say his assassination was a military coup done in part as payback for the lives lost on our side in that whole Cuban debacle. Of course, no one can actually prove that, but it seems to me the CIA would be the ones best suited to extract retribution for what happened in Cuba, especially considering it was their own people who died there.
superhornet69 3 months ago
@superhornet69 Our guys? They were Cuban exiles not Americans that invaded during the Bay of Pigs. They were funded and trained by the CIA "operation mongoose," but it's not like he left 1,000 US Marines stranded on the island.
pilamcnu 2 months ago
@pilamcnu ..Yes, thanks for that, I am well aware of the whole Bay of Pigs debacle. By "our guys" I meant it more as a euphemism for the anti-Castro forces (the exiles) that were on our side, the guys we were supporting and working with.
superhornet69 2 months ago
@superhornet69 Nixon believed it was blow back. An assassination attempt on Castro that went awry and led to his own assassination.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
Love how in 14:27, Costner calls Mr. X... Don.
Maidentallideth 3 months ago
@Maidentallideth He said,
“I don’t, I can’t…….I can’t believe they wanted…”
ALeeBatey 3 months ago
@Maidentallideth He doesn't say Don...what he says is "I don't...." but then he cuts himself off right in the middle of the word don't. I can see how you might think that though.
TheDukeSpirit71 2 months ago
@TheDukeSpirit71 Yeah, I guess Costner's fake New Orleans accent through me off when he said "I"... btw, Garrison didn't have an accent... but Robin Hood did. Poor Kevin got it wrong on both counts. lol
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
This is an amazing scene. Great Donald Sutherland. And great explanation. I believe in X :)
heartofzorro 3 months ago
The best scene in this movie!!
no288 3 months ago 4
I can't believe they named the Washington airport after Dulles...This was before the made a posyage stamp for the patsy Earl Warren which I refused to purchase,...;This obvious mistrial of justice was then replayed in the OJ Simpson trial..".If it doesn't make sense then it is probably not true"
sundevilpoolsinc 3 months ago
@sundevilpoolsinc How the hell does the movie implicate John Foster Dulles? He died in 1959!
You're thinking of Allen Welsh Dulles, his younger brother. The airport was named after John.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
just the best..i agree folks..what we go to movies for...
vdubmikey1 4 months ago
The Why?
Executive Order 11110
siemensnokiasiemens 4 months ago 2
I can't believe people would ignore that mute's testimony about witnessing the shooter behind the fence in the R.R. yard. Unbelievable!
Ur2ez4me81 4 months ago
maybe jfk was the first us citizen killed and authorized by us government.
Apoic123 5 months ago
@Apoic123 lol oh please
OneTrillNigga07 4 months ago
BEST PART OF THE MOVIE. Mr X is Col. L. Fletcher Prouty USAF (Ret.). look him up. Jesse Ventura met his asst.
MRTEL7777 5 months ago
dont know or care how true this is, truely a great scene from so many angles, love watching it.
bigdekko 5 months ago
I truly believe Oswald fired three shots and likely killed Kennedy but nothing has ever been presented to me to say that he wasn't helped or that no one knew beforehand. I mean if he was the only one shooting, then what about the guy that was hit on the overpass...by my count that is four bullets. Meaning someone else had to be involved and by definition, that is a conspiracy. someone else involved.
phatty52677 5 months ago
@phatty52677 Oswald missed his first shot. He was aiming almost straight down at a target that was moving laterally in his scope, tricky shot. Most believe he hit a tree causing a ricochet, which hit someone under the underpass. That's still 3 shots. No evidence of a 2nd shooter has emerged in 50 years. No evidence Oswald worked w/ anyone has emerged in 50 years. Every bullet and fragment found was confirmed to come from LHO. Where are the other bullets? LHO was more batshit than mrX.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin Again, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy and I'm not one to over think things like this...especially since it's unlikely there will ever be any real resolution to some of the legitimate questions that some people have. On the other hand your answer to my one question makes sense and it's an answer that I had heard before, but that doesn't mean I'm convinced. I guess when it comes down to it, I'm just not sure Oswald was alone...that no one but him was aware of what he was about to do.
phatty52677 4 months ago
@phatty52677 I don't see him any different than Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley, or the whack job that just shot Senator Gabrielle Giffords. The more you find out a/b him, the more he fits the profile. The more you find out the facts, the more you realize how absurd some of this is. You seem like a reasonable person, I suggest you do just that. I'm glad I live in a country that so permits people to think and say what they want. But some forget to reserve the right to use their fuckin brain.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin For me there is a big difference. The three lunatics that you mentioned all used pistols and fired at close range. What Oswald did reqired a skill that nearly all of us couldn't do. I was a sharp shooter in the military and I doubt I could have done it. Even in the military, a shot like that requires planning and at least one spotter. But I agree with you that most of the "theories" out there are absurd. I just won't say all of them are. Things aren't usually that clear cut.
phatty52677 4 months ago
@phatty52677 And the basic principles of that skill were acquired in the mil, and honed on a range. Where it's even documented someone helped him zero his optics. You can hit targets at 200 yards w/ an iron sight, and don't think you could hit a target moving away from you 10mph in a straight line w/ a 4X scope? If he was going for the head all the way, he technically missed twice. By the 3rd shot, JFK was hardly moving in his scope, but by then he had him zeroed. What a/b Charles Whitman?
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@phatty52677 We're talking 60 yards. Not exactly Carlos Hathcock territory.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin I tend to agree with you but there's no doubt that Oswald had help defecting to the Soviet Union then allowed to come back to the U.S. at the height of the Cold War. It's hard for me to think that would have been normal for the day and easy to accomplish. I think he had help and I certainly can't buy into the thought that an acquaintance of his, Jack Ruby, killed him to "spare Mrs. Kennedy the pain of a public trial." That's just too damn convenient and stretches credulity.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
@Maidentallideth It's a free country. Want to go to North Korea? The US gov isn't going to stop you. Free country, even then. What you should be asking yourself is, what retard would want to go to the USSR? A complete wacko like Oswald, who cut his wrists when even the Soviets figured out he was a useless sack, and weren't going to let him stay. Jack Ruby was as big of a wanna be as Oswlad. And, there isn't a shred of evidence they ever met.
frankdrebin 2 months ago
I'm not a conspiracy guy but this scene more than any other raises questions for me and not of the typical conspiracy questions but the ones of logic.
phatty52677 5 months ago
Social Assasin is a Cass Sunstein Sock Puppet.
Follow his blogging trail and document all activity.
LoveBringsTruth 5 months ago
If this meeting actually did take place, X must have felt like a ton of bricks was just hoisted off of his shoulders after disclosing all of this information.
TheTallMan35 5 months ago
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@TheTallMan35 "f this meeting actually did take place, X must have felt like a ton of bricks was just hoisted off of his shoulders after disclosing all of this information."
It didn't and we need to really learn to separate Hollywood from reality. Oliver Stone is as much a purveyor of propaganda as the government or the Warren Commission.
Maidentallideth 2 months ago
Tremendous amount of dialog handled by Sutherland and delivered like a real pro. The courtroom scene at the close by Costner is another heavy workload on memory but Costner shines as usual.
Flickchaser 6 months ago
THis country is run by 500-rich families...The president is just the message....Kennedy fucked with them.....if you get in their way they will kill you..like kennedy did....
raysiri42 6 months ago
@raysiri42 you conspiracy people are always good for a laugh...the boogeymen are NOT coming for you.
SocialAssasin 6 months ago
Perfection? How about a slap in the face to usa. They pretty much tell you the truth right in front of you and laugh. But, what I think happened oswalt was the fall guy never had anything to do with it(related tony Blair someone else). If u ever been jfk memorial you'll notice a tree blocks the view where oswalt shot and still to this day the same tree is there. Jason bourne is your other killer. Dontcha love Hollywood zionist, love there money.
magicdonjuan27 6 months ago
Great job, X--so many positive waves!
Srd1126 6 months ago
This, my friends, is called damn good acting. Thanks for uploading
Willmuzik 6 months ago
pure perfection.
marcinjersey66 6 months ago
%100 perfect
bullykutta1 7 months ago
In my mind, the single most riveting scene in the history of movies. An absolute masterpiece of film editing, aided by John Williams' brilliant, pulse pounding music. Sutherland is magnificent.
theriverrock 10 months ago 47
@theriverrock for sure
getlikemc 8 months ago
@theriverrock
I agree. I remember when I first saw this my mouth dropped, especially when he began talking about Operation Mongoose, the military budget and (towards the beginning) the secret wars that the United States was in which I didn’t know about prior. The music may have aided it fit in so well.
Conspiracy or not, this scene affected me more than any other scene in (my) movie history, probably.
ALeeBatey 3 months ago
@theriverrock Agreed. And it propably tells something like the truth abt. a state within the state, operating for its own unhumane goals. "Who benefitted? - Follow the money, Mr. Garrison!"
cxmafia 2 months ago
@theriverrock Indeed. An epic peace of film. Furthermore, Stone is prob. closer to the truth behind the slaying of the Kennedys that the formal truth. "Who benefitted? Follow the money, Mr. Garrison!"
cxmafia 2 months ago
@theriverrock.... I did my own search on this part of the movie and came out that this man actually represents several people who accidentally were tasks with all kinds of assignments that made no much sense at the time. I wonder if my own discoveries were accurate. I hope that I am correct.
andres1963 1 month ago
@sohrabah I agree 100%! The whole movie is a brilliant piece of work. Especially this scene. I've watched the movie quite a few times and watched this specific scene quite a few more times just on its own. The music, the editing outstanding. But its the subtle silhouetted features of Sutherland's face when he looks up from reading that paper at the airport and realizes whats really happening. Sends shivers up and down my spine every time.
ole9421 10 months ago 24