That was great! Must watch the other parts. A really interesting documentary. Actually, could I ask you comic book fans out there a favour? I'm a UK writer, and I've written a novel about teenage superheroes. It's called A Class Apart and is part of a series called Class Heroes. Perhaps you could check it out? There's a trailer for it on my YouTube channel, and a link to the book website where you'll find preview chapters and other stuff - so you can gauage whether it's any good or not.Cheers.
@Writerofthebizzarre Without an intended pun for context, look up a program called "Shazam". It's a program that listens to music and gives you a name. Odds are, it'll find the name.
Whoever is badmouthing Marvel, STOP IT!!! MARVEL IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT CHEESEY DC CRAP (except for Batman)!!! MARVEL IS BADASS NO MATTER WHAT ERA!!! PS I'M GENERATION Z!!! THUMBS UP MARVEL FANS IF YOU AGREE WITH ME!!!
@brianpadrickdrake For me Marvel was at it's best from 1961 to 1969, the main thing I liked about the 1970s and 1980s era was editor Archie Goodwin and the Tomb of Dracula series, plus some of the Epic line, my main dislikes would be Marvel's treatment of Jack Kirby, Joe Simon and others during this same era.
I;ve never seen Neal Adams before. He looks so much like a normal middle aged guy... I always figured he'd look like a Neal Adams drawing, really thin and wiry, and somehow constantly in the rain. ;)
Preliminal and 65kowalski, while I agree comics went into sort of a dark age in the 80's and 90's the 00's(or whatever you call them) have been a real renaissance. I suggest you read anything by Ed Brubaker, Mark Millar, or Brian Bendis. Some of the best comic writers ever in my opinion. And we have great artists like Bryan Hitch, David Finch, and Mark Bagley who honestly put the guys from the 60's and 70's to shame.
@jerkofwonder I agree with all your guys' points. In the early 80s, the superhero subgenre started the crossover trend that cursed many stories at times with the feeling of reading a skipping record. But I do agree with you mostly, JoW. Comics have surpassed what they were & have taken leaps and bounds at showing the world it is a respectable medium of entertainment. Though I find it mostly in genres untouched in comics, not necessarily the superhero subgenre.
You're right, Preliminal. Actually, I'd say Marvel Comics started going down hill around 1970 when Jack Kirby left (the first time.) They soldiered on another decade, though, as John Romita and John Buscema maintained decent quality. Now, we have ink-splashing nerdss who try too hard to render realistic images and have no concept of visual story telling. They are too concerned about making skin-tight uniformed females with perpetually hard nipples.. .
I Wish Super Heros Were Real I Could Have Someone To Talk To..instead of a human therapist or doctor i could talk to Batman we have alot in common or Superman.
@FiswaT Yeah they do, although nobody can really deny that the mythology of the hero has been something that's been with us from the beginning since the days of Gilgamesh and Beowulf.
I start it collecting comics at age of 17 year old. I got hook with X-Men series, then collect Silversurfer, Vertigo (only DC stuff Iike), Grendel & Spawn. I stop buying comics in 1997, where it got more "Disney" & over abuse using popular chacters.
Luke Cage Hero for hire might work as a movie. One of the first black comic book super heroes also talked about problems in the ghetto. Wasn't a flashy billionaire like batman or ironman. Although ironman did deal with problem of drinking and Green Arrow stories told about drug abuse with his aide Speedy being on drugs. I liked tv show Mantis which had a black disable man with power armour similar to ironman but wasn't on tv very long.
Luke Cage Hero for hire might work as a movie. One of the first black comic book super heroes also talked about problems in the ghetto. Wasn't a flashy billionaire like batman or ironman. Although ironman did deal with problem of drinking and Green Arrow stories told about drug abuse with his aide Speedy being on drugs.
@OnlyTubenami I don't think he screwed over anything of course he erased years of canon but still as stan lee said "it took guts to do what he did and i stand by him for that".He took risk and fans may be attacking but as stan said it will pass just as the hate for spidey getting married did hell stan even made a ojoke about how they want them seperate then years later want them back..
@OnlyTubenami That's ones opinion man you don't speak for everyone and never will besides that samething as stan said was told to them about the two getting together.Fans hate storylines all the time then bitch and moan about to many rtcons just shut up and don't read.
@mayhem9024 its not just me upset, alot of spidey fans are. and it wasnt just a "few" simple retcons, it ruins not only years of spidey continuity..... but everyone he's assosiated with within that time. the xmen teamups, the avenger's team ups, you name it, they killed it. this isnt simple complaining, the whole marvel universe was turned upside down !!
What makes superhero comics alluring to me (even today) is how colorful they are.
And all the over the topic images created by very talented artists like Frank Miller, John Byrne, John Buscema, Gil Kane, Todd Mcfarlane, George Perez , and many others.
anything by jack kirby was great. barry smith's conan. warlock by jim starlin. master of kung fu by p gulacy. craig russell's killraven. captain marvel (marvel's version). black panther &capt america by kirby were great. x-men by austin /claremont/byrne was great . howard the duck 1-15 was good. avengers in the 70s was good. all the Thor comics were great until about 81, same w/spiderman,iron man. '81 things unravelled more and more.. unrelatedly, mike allred's madman was great in the 90s,
I did like Frank Miller's Daredevil and Elektra Assasin in the 1980s plus Walt Simonson's work on Thor and anything by Alan Moore (still do actually) the sourest point I can remember with Marvel offhand is the Jim Shooter reign the fight over Kirby's original art, and Ron Perlman's Marvel buyup, but I've always loved comics as an artform, I've just never been that partial to the industry itself.
70s killraven was best, something about volcanna/the tripods, craig russell's style in 70s-- his later work was bad...f.miller is cool-his rich dark embellishment, i didn't see many of miller's work..i liked daredevil w/black widow from 60s/70s, and never read him after about '81...i'm not familiar in what happened w JShooter or RPerlman-- sounds like something awful occurred . disgusted when i look at the comics of today . i hope someone makes a great comic again soon, let me know
@Preliminimal Well I like Russell's artwork that he did in Neil Gaiman's Sandman and Miller's Daredevil storyline 'Born Again' that he did in 1986-1987 with Dave Mazzuchilli (sp) was for me a highlight along with Elektra Assassin that he and Bill Sienkiewicz in the late 1987 which for me was something groundbreaking visually, Jim Shooter was the man who ran Marvel in the late 1970s-mid 1980s with something of an iron fist and it was during the Claremont/Bryne X Men era.
@cha5 Cont Shooter also was pretty hard and vicious toward older artists like Don Heck and other artists which he had no problem with firing or more often just being a pain insofar as things like giving them work or insurance, Jack Kirby left Marvel in the late 1970s for a job in animation at the Ruby Spears studio (for which he got paid far more than he ever did at Marvel)
Ron Pearlman was the man who bought Marvel in the mid 1990s and got it put on the NY stock exchange
@cha5 Cont where it lost money and nearly went out of business not too long afterwards, there were ongoing fights about such things as returning Jack Kirby's original artwork and finally Joe Quesada was put in charge and they did things like completely dumping the comics code (unheard of for a mainstream company) put in the ICON line to compete with mature output like Vertigo puts out, and then the Walt Disney company bought up Marvel lock stock and barrel where we are today.
@cha5 I'm biased a bit biased about Marvel so you might take some things I've mentioned here with a grain of salt, but I've basically something of a recent history of Marvel. You might want to check a book like Gerard Jones's book "Men Of Tomorrow Geeks, Gangsters And The Birth Of The Comic Book"
Marvel comics were great until approx 1982-83, when the consistancy, conceptual depth, artwork, and overall appeal of the characters became less and less followable and intriguing. Noticably in further disarray by 1989, although silver surfer made a great comeback for a while. so much uninspired formula art.
Marvel should go back to examine where it went wrong and establish its titles closer based on everything it had going before the decline. comics need a major new heroic production line
@Preliminimal I thought Marvel was great until 1969-1970, not in the shameful way it treated its creators though such as when Kirby had to fight tooth and nail to get any of his original art back up till the end of his life.
yes,i agree--1972 -74 for marvel was a major lull,or lapse of artistic quality,and then it made improvements for 75-79, then declined again 80-83, then really really declined after that. i could name many specifics, but i think you know already
@Preliminimal ...u are so right, i could not have said it better myself...this is one of the main reasons why I only collect back issues. Thank u for saying this, I never really knew how to explain to people why I only collect back issues and no one understands why i do not collect the new stuff.
@Khultan - i'm glad at least marvel has made some good movies. i wish they would keep the original story straight,as it was-- not change it around in compromises for the movie sake
@Preliminimal Iron Man 1 and Thor (struck a good balance, not cheesy). I think it must be the studio and the chosen director who are tampering with the original material. I wasn't even alive in the 1960s except but to be born at the near end of it and I did my effort to find out about The X-Men as they originally were presented in September 1963 through the library. Over there at IMDB, I realize it must be younger people who don't seem to care about the original incarnation. Indifferent.
@Khultan One sad thing about the X-Men First Class film is there was no listing in the credits "Based on characters created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby & Dave Cockrum, Byrne etc" Not even a 'Stan The Man' cameo,
Indifference is a trait shared by the studios as well, unless it's a matter of the ongoing lawsuit between the Kirby family and Marvel/Disney that Fox didn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.
@cha5 I totally agree with you, Cha5. That's one of the main reasons why I'm not beholden to the studios and particularly to the new generation of Marvel/DC staff.
@cha5 What's interesting is that John Byrne should've been a guest to offer his point of view, he's one who has lent his vision in revitalizing Marvel comics in the late 70s and early 80s not these new jack artists/writers.
@Khultan Another thing that grates is that a groundbreaking artist like Steve Rude can't get hired by DC these days, (CRIMINAL!) due to the current "let's reboot the nineties" mentality, and the fact that the industry ideals are more 'flavor of the month' than anything else IMHO.
@Khultan That he is, and he tried to get a job working for DC again working on one of their flagship characters Superman, Supergirl, Big Barda, Omac, but DC turned him down, go to bleedingcooldotcom for details.
@cha5 It's the era of the independent. Image comics heralded this in the early 90s when those artists broke away from Marvel. Although, there were independent comic book artists/writers prior.
@Khultan Oh sure, I was always into Indy artists like Paul Chadwick, Wendy Pini, The Hernandez Brothers, Eddie Campbell and others long before Image came on the scene, although these days to me at least, it seems like DC is going after Jim Lee clones more than anything else, and doing reboot after reboot although Dan DiDio likes to call it a "reimagining" and doing things as inovative as getting rid of the Clark Kent / Lois Lane marriage and having Superman hook up with Wonder Woman.
@cha5 Speaking of indy artists, you ever heard of artist/writer Phil Foglio? I had bought that first and only black and white issue of, 'D'arc Tangent', in 1983 or 1986. But yeah, I never really got into the Jim Lee style of artwork (John Byrne's art just seems more natural and dynamic).
@Khultan Yeah his ongoing 'Girl Genius' comic is a favorite of mine,
These days as far as modern artists go I'm more into Chris Ware for serenity, Mike Mignola & Steve Rude for dynamic action, Jim Woodring for surrealism, Don Rosa (IMHO the only worthy sucessor to Carl Barks,) Paul Pope (for his linework and landscapes) and a few others. Besides that apart from a few projects like Joe Kubert's graphic novel "Jew Gangster" and some Vertigo works and Archives editions, I don't bother with DC.
@cha5 It's been over 15 years when I was an avid comic book enthusiasts but stopped only because I couldn't afford it, I'm a huge fan of art work and so I have to avoid entering a comic book store because I'll get a little upset that I'm seeing artwork all over the place and I have to budget myself. You ever heard of this cartoonist named Tom Armstrong? That name may be wrong but this artist drew this rabbit black and white series in a style that I really like, precise line work, detailed.
@cha5 This was an underground comic or series of the very early 80s. Joe Kelly is a youngster, would've just been born or a young boy (if not baby) back then. I've seen alot of underground comic book artists/artist but I've forgotten their names.
@cha5 Hey!! That brings to mind about John Byrne...I've been having HELL just trying to register to his website, it's claiming that I did something in violation, which I DO NOT RECALL EVER HAVING visited there ever and I'm blocked from registering. I don't know what I supposedly did. You ever signed up to his website, Byrnerobotics?
@Khultan No I'm afraid I haven't, I've been by it once or twice but I've heard that they have a massive violations list and that if you so much as type a wrong letter on their message board, you're made to feel about as welcome as a fart in an elevator. ;-) Seriously though from what I've heard, if you're on the Byrnerobotics violation list for whatever reason, it's pretty hard to get off it.
I mean what worked wonderfully for Spider-Man & Mary Jane (removing their marriage from all Marvel continuity) would work just as well for Supes and Lois, not to mention other things they've come up with in this whole Brightest Day / Flashpoint continuity (I think this is about the tenth time now DC has gone the reboot route) and when they wouldn't give someone like Steve Rude the time of day... and the Siegel & Shuster situation
@cha5 I totally understand. New writers on board, I think some if not most of the DC/Marvel writers may have passed away, which may account for these rampant story arcs/sagas that's just been getting out of hand.
@Khultan I guess, I just get the feeling these days that DC & Marvel are more concerned with movie properties, than really overseeing inovative work in this medium, ala the good old days of The Dark Knight Returns & Watchmen.
@Preliminimal You mean you don't think the recent polybagged Fantastic Four 'Death of The Human Torch' and upcoming polybagged 'Death of Ultimate Spider-man' will charge up Marvel and light a new creative fire under their asses like it did for DC back in the "good old" 1990s with Superman?
@TheArkhamAngel --i think there's hope for a new company, as long as it's kept very consistant with the characters and affordable, and the characters are captivating of imagination and intelligent for all ages--comics would be more affordable with the pulp paper again instead of the glossy paper on every page
I think it's funny that they feel the need to explain the difference between fantasy and reality, God damn, people got stupid since the 1930's! It's entertainment! no fucking shit! Talk about the artists and their shitty deadlines and low pay.Ditko, kirby.
yeah? dude he is one of the lesser know black heros which is sad but is and stan lee even points out it was the racism at the time that kept him down.
I totally agree, Black Panther couldnt lift off because of racism : I also would add that he reasembles to much with Batman, in origin and costume, and that he had to chang his name and Costume during the seventies, because of the real Black Panthers group. For me the best black character on comics is Storm , well developed, with great powers, one time leader of tha Uncanny X_Men, a great heroine that trascends any color issue , she is a greeat heroine , point.
@TheVetoSkreeemer yeah i know,just an opinion,those two i mention never really touch on the issue of race oh wait shadow hawk did a little with the copycat story line
@ghostwhiskey well even if the heroes dont mention the reace issue frequently, in my opinion it is an issue on comics itself. You may have noticed that there are few color characters, and those that exist are mostly second ratesrs, or suporting characters, there isnt a Black Spiderman, Wonder Woman , Superman. etc. There might be many reasons for this , but my guess is that there is no reaction from comic readers, if they really demanded a change on the status
If sales drop steadily, and the powers to be found out that one of the causes was that there are no Major Black heroes things would change. This hasnt happened, and left on their own the publishers have not changed their heroes roster, even though the race issue has evolved greatly on the last 40 years.
Well how about the demand for all those Spiderman comics
with President Obama on the cover? that's gotta count for something right?
LOL I guess not too much has changed since the days of Green Lantern 76 when Green Arrow opened GL's eyes to the evils of racism, of course prejudice and intolerance were always a part of the X Men comics (at least in subtext) although i'll admit that's probably not the same thing as adressing
@TheVetoSkreeemer - if you like Storm (which I do) you should watch this on YouTube: X-Men Evolution: Season 3, Episode 10.. in this episode Storm is an excellent parental figure.. it's one of those "Storm-moments"
what's funny is black super heros are actually held high and you ever wonder why you guys are always held as evil you and your kkk buddies? it's because the world doesn't like you.
Ahhh!! I had to mute it at 9:12!! I cant stand the sound of markers like that! Call me weird…but yeah...
JoshFazzz 4 weeks ago
That was great! Must watch the other parts. A really interesting documentary. Actually, could I ask you comic book fans out there a favour? I'm a UK writer, and I've written a novel about teenage superheroes. It's called A Class Apart and is part of a series called Class Heroes. Perhaps you could check it out? There's a trailer for it on my YouTube channel, and a link to the book website where you'll find preview chapters and other stuff - so you can gauage whether it's any good or not.Cheers.
WhiteHatFilms 1 month ago
THIS IS TOO COOL! I love youtube for stuff like this
AsylumPress 1 month ago
This would be so much better without the over-dramatic voice over guy
Chibidiablo 2 months ago in playlist ONCE UPON A TIME THE SUPER HEROES
I LOVE BEING A NERD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
mrwhippy101 3 months ago 5
@mrwhippy101 amen!
boydegg 3 weeks ago
@mrwhippy101 do you watch the Big Bang Theory by any chance?
donneric 3 days ago
@donneric occasionally why ?
mrwhippy101 3 days ago
@mrwhippy101 cause its the perfect nerd show its got comics and Star Wars and Trek everything we nerds love
donneric 3 days ago
@donneric lol I think I'll start watching it more now thx
mrwhippy101 3 days ago
8:07 "what I do do"... hehe... funny.. I admit i'm 5 yrs old. haha
jcbs 3 months ago
i could watch this documentary all day
Turbo9987 3 months ago
Neal Adams, Jim Aparo, Jim Lee and Marshall Rogers have always been my favorite comic book artists.
Gunnshy357 4 months ago
21 people are Villians
TFTN1 4 months ago
Is there anywhere where I can get a copy of the musical score for this documentary, it's excellent!
Writerofthebizzarre 4 months ago
@Writerofthebizzarre Without an intended pun for context, look up a program called "Shazam". It's a program that listens to music and gives you a name. Odds are, it'll find the name.
Perbear213 4 months ago
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@Perbear213 Thanks, I'll give it a go!
Writerofthebizzarre 4 months ago
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carpinelliTV 5 months ago
Whoever is badmouthing Marvel, STOP IT!!! MARVEL IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT CHEESEY DC CRAP (except for Batman)!!! MARVEL IS BADASS NO MATTER WHAT ERA!!! PS I'M GENERATION Z!!! THUMBS UP MARVEL FANS IF YOU AGREE WITH ME!!!
MSKDwriter 5 months ago
@MSKDwriter I think Marvel was best under Cadence from '73 to about '86. Under Jim Shooter they prospered.
brianpadrickdrake 3 months ago
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@brianpadrickdrake For me Marvel was at it's best from 1961 to 1969, the main thing I liked about the 1970s and 1980s era was editor Archie Goodwin and the Tomb of Dracula series, plus some of the Epic line, my main dislikes would be Marvel's treatment of Jack Kirby, Joe Simon and others during this same era.
cha5 2 months ago
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Batman - The most badass superhero of them all.
Superman - The greatest superhero of them all.
Spider-man - The most amazing superhero of them all.
the5DGX 5 months ago
20 people something something
boxingfanrwl 6 months ago 15
@boxingfanrwl LOL!
MetalBru01 3 months ago
batman ist gutttttttttttttt
egzonktz 6 months ago
I love this documentary, but the narrator sounds like ass
TheParadoxxReviews 7 months ago 3
I;ve never seen Neal Adams before. He looks so much like a normal middle aged guy... I always figured he'd look like a Neal Adams drawing, really thin and wiry, and somehow constantly in the rain. ;)
GoblinXXX 7 months ago 8
@GoblinXXX Naw, he's just your basic personal hygiene device. Trust me on this one.
talochIV 6 months ago
00:19 I miss the twin towers. :(
Diego1999ist 8 months ago in playlist making comics
18 people knelt before Zod!
ChuntiChuntaro 9 months ago
They're still rockin the twin towers in the opening shot? Man, this video must be OLD.
310sucks 9 months ago
@310sucks Well it came out in 2002.
cha5 8 months ago
Personally, i think comics in the 80's looked to cartoony looking.
ededdneddyfan2 9 months ago
Preliminal and 65kowalski, while I agree comics went into sort of a dark age in the 80's and 90's the 00's(or whatever you call them) have been a real renaissance. I suggest you read anything by Ed Brubaker, Mark Millar, or Brian Bendis. Some of the best comic writers ever in my opinion. And we have great artists like Bryan Hitch, David Finch, and Mark Bagley who honestly put the guys from the 60's and 70's to shame.
jerkofwonder 9 months ago
@jerkofwonder I agree with all your guys' points. In the early 80s, the superhero subgenre started the crossover trend that cursed many stories at times with the feeling of reading a skipping record. But I do agree with you mostly, JoW. Comics have surpassed what they were & have taken leaps and bounds at showing the world it is a respectable medium of entertainment. Though I find it mostly in genres untouched in comics, not necessarily the superhero subgenre.
BlueMaxx86 9 months ago
Gotham and Metropolis are both in the DC Universe.
tonym9428 9 months ago
You're right, Preliminal. Actually, I'd say Marvel Comics started going down hill around 1970 when Jack Kirby left (the first time.) They soldiered on another decade, though, as John Romita and John Buscema maintained decent quality. Now, we have ink-splashing nerdss who try too hard to render realistic images and have no concept of visual story telling. They are too concerned about making skin-tight uniformed females with perpetually hard nipples.. .
65kowalski 9 months ago
I Wish Super Heros Were Real I Could Have Someone To Talk To..instead of a human therapist or doctor i could talk to Batman we have alot in common or Superman.
MorbidLucifer 9 months ago
dumb asses! batman is dc comics, not marvel comics! you retards
bal72bulldog 9 months ago
anyone know the name of the song on 04:47?
Salvidrummer 10 months ago
Who are the characters at 4:51 and 5:32?
nirchrome 10 months ago
when the guy was drawing I was like "wtf is that!" cause of the werid lines then it quickly turned into somthing hella cool (Batman!)
InvincibleVIP 10 months ago 4
comic books are like mythology .....no one criticizes mythology for being silly now do they
AIMANALI 10 months ago
@AIMANALI Lot's of people actually do lol
FiswaT 10 months ago
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cha5 10 months ago
@FiswaT Yeah they do, although nobody can really deny that the mythology of the hero has been something that's been with us from the beginning since the days of Gilgamesh and Beowulf.
cha5 10 months ago
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A treasury. thx a lot
AIMANALI 10 months ago
A treasury. thx a lot
AIMANALI 10 months ago
Travis. Ugh.
Khultan 11 months ago
I'm not too interested in Ross's artwork. John Byrne everyday.
Khultan 11 months ago
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cha5 11 months ago
I think a lot of American men want to stay 12 years old all of their lives. Sorry, most of us have to grow up in one way or another.
pretorious700 11 months ago
@pretorious700 So what exactly is your point here? that comics as a medium aren't limited to super heros?
No argument there.
cha5 11 months ago
@pretorious700 Gee whiz, these comments are getting more and more pretentious. LOL
Khultan 11 months ago
Well done
masipag999 1 year ago
I start it collecting comics at age of 17 year old. I got hook with X-Men series, then collect Silversurfer, Vertigo (only DC stuff Iike), Grendel & Spawn. I stop buying comics in 1997, where it got more "Disney" & over abuse using popular chacters.
ScotteDio 1 year ago
Luke Cage Hero for hire might work as a movie. One of the first black comic book super heroes also talked about problems in the ghetto. Wasn't a flashy billionaire like batman or ironman. Although ironman did deal with problem of drinking and Green Arrow stories told about drug abuse with his aide Speedy being on drugs. I liked tv show Mantis which had a black disable man with power armour similar to ironman but wasn't on tv very long.
hydrolito 1 year ago
Luke Cage Hero for hire might work as a movie. One of the first black comic book super heroes also talked about problems in the ghetto. Wasn't a flashy billionaire like batman or ironman. Although ironman did deal with problem of drinking and Green Arrow stories told about drug abuse with his aide Speedy being on drugs.
hydrolito 1 year ago
5:55 oh look... its quesada before he screwed over spiderman XD
OnlyTubenami 1 year ago
@OnlyTubenami I don't think he screwed over anything of course he erased years of canon but still as stan lee said "it took guts to do what he did and i stand by him for that".He took risk and fans may be attacking but as stan said it will pass just as the hate for spidey getting married did hell stan even made a ojoke about how they want them seperate then years later want them back..
mayhem9024 1 year ago
@mayhem9024 whether it took guts or not, it shouldnt have been done.
OnlyTubenami 1 year ago
@OnlyTubenami That's ones opinion man you don't speak for everyone and never will besides that samething as stan said was told to them about the two getting together.Fans hate storylines all the time then bitch and moan about to many rtcons just shut up and don't read.
mayhem9024 1 year ago
@mayhem9024 its not just me upset, alot of spidey fans are. and it wasnt just a "few" simple retcons, it ruins not only years of spidey continuity..... but everyone he's assosiated with within that time. the xmen teamups, the avenger's team ups, you name it, they killed it. this isnt simple complaining, the whole marvel universe was turned upside down !!
OnlyTubenami 1 year ago
in my opinion DC isn't as good as Marvel
mikeccool 1 year ago
"what i doodoo" childish but i still loled
borninthe90sdecade 1 year ago
Nice Bat.
See my Batman become Battyman in my Indiana Jones spoof.
Fellinijr 1 year ago
Man, thanks for the upload!
Mertdizzle15 1 year ago
my god i hate at guy joe quesade
destroyallhumans130 1 year ago
what about deadpool
hawkeyeislogical6 1 year ago
What makes superhero comics alluring to me (even today) is how colorful they are.
And all the over the topic images created by very talented artists like Frank Miller, John Byrne, John Buscema, Gil Kane, Todd Mcfarlane, George Perez , and many others.
Mottahead 1 year ago
What?? "Black Panther couldn't lift off because of racism" That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard.
TheTMan2020 1 year ago
neil adams is a ledgend,up there with lee,kane,seigle/shuster,kirby n ofcourse miller.denny o'neil is kick ass as well
ghostwhiskey 1 year ago
I find Marvel comics cheap... their stories are just violence or bla bla bla. It's not the brave and edgy comic company anymore.
SpidermanSUCKSmyDICK 1 year ago
When was this made again? I think I see the Twin Towers at 00:12
hypnodance 1 year ago
haha nice! what vid!
rizzyelle 1 year ago
This great im gonna watch this in abit,cheers uploader:)(:
nemheal 1 year ago
awsome thanks for telling me
2006TJS 1 year ago
GREAT VID
gsotto98 1 year ago
i never liked DC comics, except the ones by jack kirby: kamandi and omac...
Preliminimal 2 years ago
anything by jack kirby was great. barry smith's conan. warlock by jim starlin. master of kung fu by p gulacy. craig russell's killraven. captain marvel (marvel's version). black panther &capt america by kirby were great. x-men by austin /claremont/byrne was great . howard the duck 1-15 was good. avengers in the 70s was good. all the Thor comics were great until about 81, same w/spiderman,iron man. '81 things unravelled more and more.. unrelatedly, mike allred's madman was great in the 90s,
Preliminimal 2 years ago
@Preliminimal
I did like Frank Miller's Daredevil and Elektra Assasin in the 1980s plus Walt Simonson's work on Thor and anything by Alan Moore (still do actually) the sourest point I can remember with Marvel offhand is the Jim Shooter reign the fight over Kirby's original art, and Ron Perlman's Marvel buyup, but I've always loved comics as an artform, I've just never been that partial to the industry itself.
cha5 1 year ago
70s killraven was best, something about volcanna/the tripods, craig russell's style in 70s-- his later work was bad...f.miller is cool-his rich dark embellishment, i didn't see many of miller's work..i liked daredevil w/black widow from 60s/70s, and never read him after about '81...i'm not familiar in what happened w JShooter or RPerlman-- sounds like something awful occurred . disgusted when i look at the comics of today . i hope someone makes a great comic again soon, let me know
Preliminimal 1 year ago
@Preliminimal Well I like Russell's artwork that he did in Neil Gaiman's Sandman and Miller's Daredevil storyline 'Born Again' that he did in 1986-1987 with Dave Mazzuchilli (sp) was for me a highlight along with Elektra Assassin that he and Bill Sienkiewicz in the late 1987 which for me was something groundbreaking visually, Jim Shooter was the man who ran Marvel in the late 1970s-mid 1980s with something of an iron fist and it was during the Claremont/Bryne X Men era.
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 Cont Shooter also was pretty hard and vicious toward older artists like Don Heck and other artists which he had no problem with firing or more often just being a pain insofar as things like giving them work or insurance, Jack Kirby left Marvel in the late 1970s for a job in animation at the Ruby Spears studio (for which he got paid far more than he ever did at Marvel)
Ron Pearlman was the man who bought Marvel in the mid 1990s and got it put on the NY stock exchange
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 Cont where it lost money and nearly went out of business not too long afterwards, there were ongoing fights about such things as returning Jack Kirby's original artwork and finally Joe Quesada was put in charge and they did things like completely dumping the comics code (unheard of for a mainstream company) put in the ICON line to compete with mature output like Vertigo puts out, and then the Walt Disney company bought up Marvel lock stock and barrel where we are today.
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5 I'm biased a bit biased about Marvel so you might take some things I've mentioned here with a grain of salt, but I've basically something of a recent history of Marvel. You might want to check a book like Gerard Jones's book "Men Of Tomorrow Geeks, Gangsters And The Birth Of The Comic Book"
cha5 1 year ago
I think the new Thor series where good and V2 by Dan Jurgens where the best to this date.
myroflcopterisnice 1 year ago
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. the sound when he draws!!!!
Hermy1138 2 years ago
Super video 5***** great upload:))))
EVILmustDIE666 2 years ago
I've got this on Dvd
lucafon18 2 years ago
I LOVE MARVEL COMICS!
tutata 2 years ago 14
any1 can intro me that a show that all hero inside and its not cartoon
jordankilllol 2 years ago
Marvel comics were great until approx 1982-83, when the consistancy, conceptual depth, artwork, and overall appeal of the characters became less and less followable and intriguing. Noticably in further disarray by 1989, although silver surfer made a great comeback for a while. so much uninspired formula art.
Marvel should go back to examine where it went wrong and establish its titles closer based on everything it had going before the decline. comics need a major new heroic production line
Preliminimal 2 years ago 14
@Preliminimal I thought Marvel was great until 1969-1970, not in the shameful way it treated its creators though such as when Kirby had to fight tooth and nail to get any of his original art back up till the end of his life.
cha5 2 years ago
yes,i agree--1972 -74 for marvel was a major lull,or lapse of artistic quality,and then it made improvements for 75-79, then declined again 80-83, then really really declined after that. i could name many specifics, but i think you know already
Preliminimal 2 years ago
@Preliminimal ...u are so right, i could not have said it better myself...this is one of the main reasons why I only collect back issues. Thank u for saying this, I never really knew how to explain to people why I only collect back issues and no one understands why i do not collect the new stuff.
bigbabysld 1 year ago
@Preliminimal Yeah, I kind of agree with that.
Khultan 11 months ago
@Preliminimal Marvel is a MESS. LOL I stopped actually around 1982-83 and just sporadically afterwards.
Khultan 11 months ago
@Khultan --yep ,likewise, i think you experienced it in a similar timeline. it was so awesome during the 25 cents period
Preliminimal 8 months ago
@Preliminimal I was the 30 cents era.
Khultan 8 months ago
@Khultan - i'm glad at least marvel has made some good movies. i wish they would keep the original story straight,as it was-- not change it around in compromises for the movie sake
Preliminimal 8 months ago
@Preliminimal Iron Man 1 and Thor (struck a good balance, not cheesy). I think it must be the studio and the chosen director who are tampering with the original material. I wasn't even alive in the 1960s except but to be born at the near end of it and I did my effort to find out about The X-Men as they originally were presented in September 1963 through the library. Over there at IMDB, I realize it must be younger people who don't seem to care about the original incarnation. Indifferent.
Khultan 8 months ago
@Khultan One sad thing about the X-Men First Class film is there was no listing in the credits "Based on characters created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby & Dave Cockrum, Byrne etc" Not even a 'Stan The Man' cameo,
Indifference is a trait shared by the studios as well, unless it's a matter of the ongoing lawsuit between the Kirby family and Marvel/Disney that Fox didn't want to touch with a ten foot pole.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 I totally agree with you, Cha5. That's one of the main reasons why I'm not beholden to the studios and particularly to the new generation of Marvel/DC staff.
Khultan 7 months ago
@cha5 What's interesting is that John Byrne should've been a guest to offer his point of view, he's one who has lent his vision in revitalizing Marvel comics in the late 70s and early 80s not these new jack artists/writers.
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan Another thing that grates is that a groundbreaking artist like Steve Rude can't get hired by DC these days, (CRIMINAL!) due to the current "let's reboot the nineties" mentality, and the fact that the industry ideals are more 'flavor of the month' than anything else IMHO.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 Steve Rude is alive?
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan That he is, and he tried to get a job working for DC again working on one of their flagship characters Superman, Supergirl, Big Barda, Omac, but DC turned him down, go to bleedingcooldotcom for details.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 Thanks. : )
Khultan 7 months ago
@cha5 It's the era of the independent. Image comics heralded this in the early 90s when those artists broke away from Marvel. Although, there were independent comic book artists/writers prior.
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan Oh sure, I was always into Indy artists like Paul Chadwick, Wendy Pini, The Hernandez Brothers, Eddie Campbell and others long before Image came on the scene, although these days to me at least, it seems like DC is going after Jim Lee clones more than anything else, and doing reboot after reboot although Dan DiDio likes to call it a "reimagining" and doing things as inovative as getting rid of the Clark Kent / Lois Lane marriage and having Superman hook up with Wonder Woman.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 Speaking of indy artists, you ever heard of artist/writer Phil Foglio? I had bought that first and only black and white issue of, 'D'arc Tangent', in 1983 or 1986. But yeah, I never really got into the Jim Lee style of artwork (John Byrne's art just seems more natural and dynamic).
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan Yeah his ongoing 'Girl Genius' comic is a favorite of mine,
These days as far as modern artists go I'm more into Chris Ware for serenity, Mike Mignola & Steve Rude for dynamic action, Jim Woodring for surrealism, Don Rosa (IMHO the only worthy sucessor to Carl Barks,) Paul Pope (for his linework and landscapes) and a few others. Besides that apart from a few projects like Joe Kubert's graphic novel "Jew Gangster" and some Vertigo works and Archives editions, I don't bother with DC.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 It's been over 15 years when I was an avid comic book enthusiasts but stopped only because I couldn't afford it, I'm a huge fan of art work and so I have to avoid entering a comic book store because I'll get a little upset that I'm seeing artwork all over the place and I have to budget myself. You ever heard of this cartoonist named Tom Armstrong? That name may be wrong but this artist drew this rabbit black and white series in a style that I really like, precise line work, detailed.
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan I've heard the name I think but I don't think I've seen his work, did it have Joe Kelly doing the writing?
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 This was an underground comic or series of the very early 80s. Joe Kelly is a youngster, would've just been born or a young boy (if not baby) back then. I've seen alot of underground comic book artists/artist but I've forgotten their names.
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan I see, I'll keep an eye out for it, it sounds interesting.
As a hardcore Byrne fan, you might be interested in the fact that he's going to be doing a new comicbook series for IDW called 'Cold War'
Go to bleedingcooldotcom for the all the details, the art samples they have posted look interesting IMO.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 Hey!! That brings to mind about John Byrne...I've been having HELL just trying to register to his website, it's claiming that I did something in violation, which I DO NOT RECALL EVER HAVING visited there ever and I'm blocked from registering. I don't know what I supposedly did. You ever signed up to his website, Byrnerobotics?
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan No I'm afraid I haven't, I've been by it once or twice but I've heard that they have a massive violations list and that if you so much as type a wrong letter on their message board, you're made to feel about as welcome as a fart in an elevator. ;-) Seriously though from what I've heard, if you're on the Byrnerobotics violation list for whatever reason, it's pretty hard to get off it.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 Thanks, Cha5. It's severe. : (
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan Cont
I still look at them whenever I'm in a shop, but as for buying them?
Apart from anything written by Paul Dini, or an imaginative Adam Hughes cover,
I don't see that much point anymore, and the court situation with Jerry Seigel & Joe Shuster's familys has really been an additional turnoff.
cha5 7 months ago
@Khultan Cont
I mean what worked wonderfully for Spider-Man & Mary Jane (removing their marriage from all Marvel continuity) would work just as well for Supes and Lois, not to mention other things they've come up with in this whole Brightest Day / Flashpoint continuity (I think this is about the tenth time now DC has gone the reboot route) and when they wouldn't give someone like Steve Rude the time of day... and the Siegel & Shuster situation
well I'm cutting back on most of my DC material.
cha5 7 months ago
@cha5 I totally understand. New writers on board, I think some if not most of the DC/Marvel writers may have passed away, which may account for these rampant story arcs/sagas that's just been getting out of hand.
Khultan 7 months ago
@Khultan I guess, I just get the feeling these days that DC & Marvel are more concerned with movie properties, than really overseeing inovative work in this medium, ala the good old days of The Dark Knight Returns & Watchmen.
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cha5 10 months ago
@Preliminimal You mean you don't think the recent polybagged Fantastic Four 'Death of The Human Torch' and upcoming polybagged 'Death of Ultimate Spider-man' will charge up Marvel and light a new creative fire under their asses like it did for DC back in the "good old" 1990s with Superman?
Me either :-P
cha5 10 months ago
@Preliminimal read Marvels Civil War.
amyinarms 10 months ago
@Preliminimal Thanks Comic book guy now go skulk back to your basement
TheRealTroyWood 9 months ago
@Preliminimal I'm not disagreeing with you, but look, comic books as they used to be are dead brother. (sister).
Peace,
TheArkhamAngel 8 months ago
@TheArkhamAngel --i think there's hope for a new company, as long as it's kept very consistant with the characters and affordable, and the characters are captivating of imagination and intelligent for all ages--comics would be more affordable with the pulp paper again instead of the glossy paper on every page
Preliminimal 8 months ago
I think it's funny that they feel the need to explain the difference between fantasy and reality, God damn, people got stupid since the 1930's! It's entertainment! no fucking shit! Talk about the artists and their shitty deadlines and low pay.Ditko, kirby.
zambot3 2 years ago
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there must be also hancock right?:)))
olmuyobuama 2 years ago
that marker at 9:11 went right through me -cringe-
thecurse23 2 years ago
nice its kind of a documentary nice
loggers21 2 years ago
5:43 i just purchased that comic today lol
kendofiend 2 years ago
ahhhhhhhhhh, the sound when he draws Batman!!!!!!!!!!!! It kills me
Hermy1138 2 years ago 4
What the hell you guys suck
SebastianJodel 2 years ago
haha christian superheroes probably harass you for not believing in their god or even beat you up.
daemonsknowmyname 2 years ago
Who was that super hero that was around aloong time ago
He has a costume which was all black and he had like ant anteniys? Also reminds me of a bettle?
And no its not the bettle bugs can anyone help me please
adam765432 2 years ago
Ant man?
diamondcarnivore 2 years ago
whos that
adam765432 2 years ago
hi im not sure but i think it might be batmite.
leannematila 2 years ago
The Tick
lagman50 2 years ago
Greetings,
I think you are referring to the leader of the Inhumans, Black Bolt.
lhn64gen 2 years ago 2
Black Bolt?
rundinj 2 years ago
BlacK Panther,?
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago
yeah? dude he is one of the lesser know black heros which is sad but is and stan lee even points out it was the racism at the time that kept him down.
bartman30012 2 years ago
I totally agree, Black Panther couldnt lift off because of racism : I also would add that he reasembles to much with Batman, in origin and costume, and that he had to chang his name and Costume during the seventies, because of the real Black Panthers group. For me the best black character on comics is Storm , well developed, with great powers, one time leader of tha Uncanny X_Men, a great heroine that trascends any color issue , she is a greeat heroine , point.
TheVetoSkreeemer 2 years ago 3
@TheVetoSkreeemer i would go with either spawn or shadowhawk
ghostwhiskey 1 year ago
@ghostwhiskey Thanxs for sharing your opinion, I still prefer Storm Miles ahead ot them, until now.
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer yeah i know,just an opinion,those two i mention never really touch on the issue of race oh wait shadow hawk did a little with the copycat story line
ghostwhiskey 1 year ago
@ghostwhiskey well even if the heroes dont mention the reace issue frequently, in my opinion it is an issue on comics itself. You may have noticed that there are few color characters, and those that exist are mostly second ratesrs, or suporting characters, there isnt a Black Spiderman, Wonder Woman , Superman. etc. There might be many reasons for this , but my guess is that there is no reaction from comic readers, if they really demanded a change on the status
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
If sales drop steadily, and the powers to be found out that one of the causes was that there are no Major Black heroes things would change. This hasnt happened, and left on their own the publishers have not changed their heroes roster, even though the race issue has evolved greatly on the last 40 years.
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer
Well how about the demand for all those Spiderman comics
with President Obama on the cover? that's gotta count for something right?
LOL I guess not too much has changed since the days of Green Lantern 76 when Green Arrow opened GL's eyes to the evils of racism, of course prejudice and intolerance were always a part of the X Men comics (at least in subtext) although i'll admit that's probably not the same thing as adressing
the issues of racism head on.
cha5 1 year ago
@TheVetoSkreeemer - if you like Storm (which I do) you should watch this on YouTube: X-Men Evolution: Season 3, Episode 10.. in this episode Storm is an excellent parental figure.. it's one of those "Storm-moments"
DemiathDoomhammer 1 year ago
@DemiathDoomhammer Thanks pal i willcheck that one. and yup i love Storm. Be well
TheVetoSkreeemer 1 year ago
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why is it sad, who wants to see niggers in comics. There are no "heroes" among them, they are even proud of being gangsta, so let them be.
Wolfenhords 2 years ago
fuck your mother
kingbdp 2 years ago
what's funny is black super heros are actually held high and you ever wonder why you guys are always held as evil you and your kkk buddies? it's because the world doesn't like you.
bartman30012 2 years ago
Why are you a racists? There are good Black people too.
duinay2 2 years ago
what the fuck is wrong with you I don't understand people like you
turus22 2 years ago
man i hate the sound of makers on paper like that.
MortHarlequin 2 years ago 30
@MortHarlequin i was gonna write the same thing
hugoefoda 1 year ago
@MortHarlequin I do to it's llike they destroying the marker
MrSketchtastic 1 year ago
@MortHarlequin me too but you'll enjoy afterwards
erickBUENO2009 1 year ago
@MortHarlequin Really? I thought I was just messed up :)
ListWritingMachine 1 year ago
This is quite old. I noticed the World Trade Center is still present in the opening.
Pretty sad.
Great Documentary.
yellowcougar18 2 years ago
well the movie had Alex Ross and his artwork in it...that alone is worth watching it
martinspecialeffects 2 years ago
kuk 04:02
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Ananaburusju 2 years ago
Neo-Hellinism, interesting juxt.
With the movies involved in the proselitizations, what next, Neo-Christians caped as super-humans?.
Time2Keel 2 years ago
New york is awesome, however I have always been happy to know that metropolis was originally based on my favorite city Toronto.
clanghead 2 years ago
That part with Sienkiewicz drawing by marker was fantastic!
emerpus01 2 years ago
Captain America
superthundereagle 2 years ago