will be exempt from lawsuits?? If you don't believe me... try sueing the post office over lost mail. YOU CANT.
Good job on endorsing socializing medicine. We won't be able to hold hospitals accountable for fuckups, we'll have emergency rooms filled with idiots with "irritable bowel syndrome" demanding a marijuana card and the politicans will have their hands in the insurance companies pockets instead of free enterprises. GOOD JOB!!!
I'm sorry, but if your Glenn Beck analogy was really false, then congress wouldn't have had to pass the cheeseburger bill. Furthermore, "health care" is more of a fad than a necessity anymore. Christ..... have a bad day? Take a pill. That's the modern reality of it. As for truly needed healthcare, competition is the only thing that will keep prices down. Socializing it is just letting the pendulum swing too far on this one. Besides..... when healthcare IS socialized, are you aware that they...
I do feel that being fat because of eating more then you should and then getting sick for being overweight is a problem for health cover, but what about alcoholics, drug addicts, ppl who drink too much red bull or bulimics. No one is perfect, its like getting sick because your diet did not give you the right vitamins and when you go to the hospital they say "I'm sorry but we have to let you die because you did not eat right".
i was like glenn beck and i still do stress that healthy habits would cut healthcare costs by a third or even a half, just in general, but you do make a good argument in how everyone does pay their taxes. very good argument joefelice. i just wish i would hear obama or congress stress more need for exercise in general.
i dont know how you did the math on this, or if you only incluede lower-middle-class americans, but if you did, it might be beneficial if you include even lower working classes in you're figuring for the total amounts of money needed for healthcare. i do appriciate your logic, though.
BTW, good to see you back, Joe. I'd love to see a vlog on the supposed War on Christmas. It occurred to me the other day that the only reason that people get political about "Merry Christmas" are that they want to assert that there are people in this country who belong more than others. It's bizarre, but they can't make the argument without making the spurious comment about how the US was founded as a Christian nation.
Problem with your argument: You're stating the obvious, that the sick/poor (because in this day and age, lack of nutrition corresponds to low social class) would be subsidizing the well/rich.
The problem with this argument is that it assumes that someone out there is compassionate enough to care about those who need more subsidizing those who need less. They do not care. This is the Republican argument all along, that those who need the least are deserving of the most.
Part of the problem is that junk food is cheaper then healthy food. Poor ppl have no choice, and it is not their fault. The gov subsedize corn wich is the reason why we have cheap junk food, if we instead gave money to broccoli farmers, we would not be having this obesity crisis.
yes & not many markets are in the vicinity to easily get to,other things weigh in,like fresh vegs/fruit are perishable & require multiple trips to the store,easier to just get canned foods and snacks,if people haven't a car that means multiple bus rides & fares + the stress of making repeated trips through society & carrying bags of groceries etc.Bleakness of poverty doesn't make it easy to delay gratification,satisfying taste buds with sugar,fat is 1pleasure that eases some stress in short term
I think libertarians want everything legalized But when people use whatever then they must take responsibility for their bad decisions,like if they go broke from making bad decisions while under the influence of too many cheeseburgers, well thats their problem & the libertarian has no obligation to help.(I agree with you, hope that is clear) But if the rich libertarian, free market capitalist needs coronary bypass surgery,it's still their responsibility but they have the money to pay for it...
the same ones who say people should do whatever they want dont like social responsibility,like libertarians,they say "go swimming but if you get bit by a shark and you make it back to the beach don't expect me to waste my energy bothering to get my cell phone out to call paramedics,you knew there were great white sharks in the ocean, you took your chances got bit now you come crawling back to land carrying your right leg crying that need help,whys your severed leg gotta ruin my nice day?
Trickle up.... Oh man, like engineers that insisted I could make water run uphill over all the years I was able and willing to work. Oh, I'm on disability now and DO NOT want anyone else to pay for my healthcare. I WOULD like to see some good plans that aren't full of mandates that I don't want or need. Conservative, not Republican.
OK, all of the problems pointed out by this fellow are exactly right, and all of them were brought about by mandates and rules put in place by convoluted government bureaucrats which we will have even MORE of when this gets crammed down (or UP our) orifices.
You got the point of national social insurrance systems! <3 Everybody pays a little for everybody and everything. The ones in need get what they need. One day you (republican, selfish person) will need something as well.. trust me.
You'd think that a country as patriotic as the US would get the love and care for thy neighbour part of it. It was shortly after the middle ages that governments started to realise that to have a healthy/strong country it's inhabitants have to be in good health.
I'm interested to know your opinion on people who receive SSI benefits for depression...or bi-polar etc..do you think it is just an easy way out of responsibility and a parasitic existence? or do you think there should be a program to assist people who experience depression,anxiety...psychiatric distress,and social difficulties..actually this is me but Id like to know your opinion...thanks.
@catgumart There are people calling depression a paracitic existance? I mean.. "official" people??
Gawd, I'm so happy I don't live in the states. I would have died nine years ago. I would not have become a teacher for youngsters with problems, my daughter would have been motherless.
so many people do...not only that but even if they accept it they still have an air or implicit attitude that somehow though I qualify, some how I could do better and that im just a weak person with some deep rooted character flaw...really people on disability get a meager income live in low class areas & circumstances, go without a lot of things that middle class people take for granted,things that could improve the quality of their lives and chances of success in areas of life.
But you DO have an income and live under a roof. Even working people have a hard time getting into the middle class zone. I think it's unrealistic to expect to be there and disabled. Qualifying for disability pension based on a mental disorder is hard even in Sweden and Holland (not saying that that's right, just saying that there's not much difference in that area).
I was more thinking in the direction of getting the help and meds people might need when they suffer from depression disorder.
I think workers should have higher wages & lower hours.Many homeless are people who should qualify for mental health disability. I don't expect it but believe it is true. Yes qualifying for disability is hard & thats a sin because people need it. I dont support the standard pharmaceutical treatment for depression, & other psychiatric/mental wellness difficulties.I believe a major part of peoples problems comes from how society is structured & functions with help from individual uniqueness.
I agree that it is hard for the workers to get to the middle class...working classers in superficial ways can resemble middle class like by having cars, cable tvs or even mortages...but they are still deep in debt, trapped & at the mercy of trends & unhealthy social conventions & practices somehow reinforced by the very competition with each other & they have a narrow spectrum of choices, not enough time or resources to reach higher potentials, true mid class IMO has to be above 50,ooo a year
That's my bag, Mike. I am here to promote a point of view that's contrary to another point of view. I have certain beliefs that are the opposite of the Republican party, and I showcase that difference vigorously. However, all opinions and people are welcome in my audience and comments, and I enjoy and benefit from reading dissent.
hey joe i have a question for you. Do you think if we were to slowly get rid of the WTO that our economy and growth would go alot better for a longer period of time. and maybe get rid of these recessions.
Conservatives really bug the fuck out of me for this reason. Back in the days that they revel in, we had no big multinational insurance companies taking $700 a fucking month and still fighting me on my claims for me and my family. If your a true conservative, you can do w/o these lying cheating sons of bitches. I fought for this country and I am totally for health care reform. I can't even get decent coverage at a fucking job. These Neocon scaring everyone about this shit can go fuck themselves!
I tried that argument with my friend but sadly it didn't have the same effect as in the video. They actually said I was the one idealizing the situation to fit the scenario, NOT them. Oh well. It's a nice fresh view.
All taxes are individual mandates. You and truthforamerica below talk about it like requiring everyone to get in on it is some new kind of invention where for the first time people can't opt out of chipping in to the government.
Your existing individual mandates for Medicare and Medicaid are 682 billion this year alone. But add in a fraction more for something that may actually apply to you and suddenly Big Brother wants to put you in jail. Republican. Fearmongering. Hype.
I'm not a Republican and I oppose the mandate -- in fact if you recall, so did Obama on the campaign trail -- while Hillary supported it.
It's not just a "tax," its forcing you to buy something plain and simple. It's forcing you to buy a bad product from some very large and evil corporations. That's why I, as a liberal-minded person oppose the mandate.
All those young, former Obama voters who are going to be forced to buy into this are going to remember in 2012.
My point is that it's not just conservatives who oppose a personal mandate which Obama is embracing. I am a liberal and I oppose mandating people to buy a bad product from big, evil corporations.
and the numbers for this healthcare reform bill are being tainted... The numbers are fixed Joe. This bill is a scam and if you can't see this then i can't help ya.
Individual mandate is a bad idea no matter how you spin it.
How much chipping in is required before you dems decide it is enough? curious to know seeing as you know what is best for me.
That's very convenient for you, but the Republicans love the CBO numbers when they support their positions, which was the case on THIS bill, earlier this year, which is the main reason the plan was revised. The CBO is non-partisan.
So Joe when you say it's only 300 million dollars a day(aka 78 cents/person a day) , what you are also saying is that it's 300 million dollars a day we are adding to the deficit. 300 million dollars we don't have and that we owe. Ask your buddy if you can borrow 30 dollars, when you already owe him $300,000. And to be perfectly honest, even if we had a surplus, I could think of a lot better social programs to spend the money on... like say public education.
Sorry Joe, but I rather have a roof over my head than the prospect of a liver transplant. the idea of providing cheesburger man with his heart transplant because he pays SS tax is ludicrous; we won't even have the funds to pay out SS when you're a senior citizen. You are living in a dream world. We don't have the technology to provide close to 400 million people with affordable healthcare. Maybe if more people protested these unjust wars, we could begin to contemplate true UHC.
Maybe you don't care about the deficit or national debt. Maybe you think because you are an American you are entitled to complete health coverage no matter the state the country is in. Well the real victims of the US's economic policies are the people in Asia working for a few dollars a day. We pay them with valueless money for their hard labor, so we can continue our wars and social programs. What about the millions of uninsured Chinese working in terrible conditions?
I went to BK today and ordered a $1.50 double bacon cheese burger and the bastards at the drive thru put a "cheeseburger" in my lunch sack. I didn't realize it until 5 blocks later. Damn those cheeseburgers!
I love it when I hear "why shouldn't doctors earn $500,000"? How about why should we pay for education and all the school loans? Have you heard about the schools hiking there tuitions, like UCLA? Unbelievable that's what I say. Go to the UK and you get in free to all their Museums, here you frigan pay. We got it back asswards. :)
Why shouldn't doctors earn $500,000? They go to school for over a decade and have hundreds of thousands of dollars in school loans. They get to pay the outrageous malpractice insurance premiums and practice defensive medicine because of the trial lawyers that donate heavily to the Democrat Party. Strangely that aspect is silent in these bills. In fact, there is a provision in the House Bill that stops incentive payments to states that put caps on liability lawsuits. Payback time?
Most "cheeseburger" men have plenty of money to buy cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets. We can take care of each other. That doesn't empower the government to confiscate the possessions of one and give it to another. Should the doctor that spent 12 years working his butt off in med school provide his services at the behest of the govt.? If this bill is so urgent, why do the benefits not start for 4 years but the revenue collection starts immediately?
I can't believe I've found someone who can properly articulate and formulate a concise argument that I may utilize in my own debates against those whom I discuss political issues with. Joe Felice, I love you.
I would like to adopt Congressman Chet Edwards, who happens to be my representative and also happens to be a Democrat. Congressman Edwards voted against the health care bill, so I think I am going to pay his 78 cents.
I like how expecting personal accountability is draconian. All this health care stuff is really wrecking the natural selection process with humans. I think the reason we keep getting sicker is because we are able to keep the unhealthy and idiots alive long enough to pass one their genetic codes, heh.
If you're really serious about this statement I think you need to read up on your biology and see what natural selection is about. This is like saying people in infected areas shouldn't move elsewhere. Humans are never removed from natural selection, at the most selective pressure is higher or lower.
As a person of faith, I'd just like to point out that Jesus NEVER said that a person's sickness was a result of his/her sin. He just HEALED people. Of course, almost all of us could adopt healthier lifestyles, but let's just concentrate on the planks in our own eyes and follow Jesus' example: heal people. I'm totally for a single payer system, and don't believe this health care bill will do much, if any good. But I hope it will be a first step.
Yes, but Jesus was long ago supplanted by John Calvin who consistently maintained that people got everything they deserved in all instances. It's sad that real Christianity's message of love has been pushed aside in our politics in favor of John Calvin's message of self-righteousness.
same goes for smokers here in australia everyone says they are a burden on the health care system but the cost of a pack of ciggerttes is around 60% tax ... you get 25 ciggerettes for $14 so if you smoke a pack a day thats more then $7 for the government ... over a year thats more then $2500 in tax alone and just like cheeseburger man (who probably also smokes) smokers will more than likely die before they get a chance to claim any old age pension ...
You can't seriously believe it will just cost the amount they claim in the bill can you? Wake up to reality...and BTW I'm not a christian or republican
Joe, you are amazing, you have such evolved and intelligent views on the world we live in, and I learn something from you every time I watch your videos.
Also...dude, you MUST have a teleprompter or something. Your videos don't have any cuts, and there is no way someone can be that articulate and concise without stuttering or stopping to think. How the hell do you do it?
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Hi Joey, you stupid ass licking talking monkey. Im wondering what you are going to do when this WEAK, USELESS, LYING Mother Fucker Barack Obama sends in another 20 or 30 thousand more of our beloved troops to die in an winnable war in Afghanistan to support a corrupt government?
joe this was exceptional, even more so than your other exceptional pieces. healthcare is a right, not a privilege. obama has bent over backwards to make this palatable for the republicans. i think it's time he spat in glen beck's eye over this issue.
I'm surprised you feel that the bills being pushed through are effective. I tried to read the thousands of pages long bill before falling asleep on my keyboard. Of what I did get it doesn't seem to fix the problems of the cost. it merely makes demands on the already over burdened system to cover those who can not. Where is the solution tho the cost. I couldn't find where they plan to mandate a lower cost and still provide care.
Try the wikipedia version in the sidebar. But don't expect much cost solution in the bill. As I say in the video, what they're working on now is more the access part than the cost part. I don't know where you're coming from with the already-burdened part though.
The burden is the ever increasing costs to the country at large, even the middle class who can scrape by to maintain there slight grip on their half effective insurance is loosening. I feel my own family struggling to keep up with rising costs.
On the other side I see is my boss who lives in fear of employer mandated health insurance. I know that if he is forced to provide insurance for his local cafe & bakery, I won't be employed for very long. My hope is that policy makers will vote with their conscience and not their wallet/party/strategy. I don't know whether to laugh with cynicism or cry. Looks like I'm either going to be uninsured or unemployed.
It sounds like your boss has been listening to too much right-wing propaganda, lying to him and calling it news. Let him know that the bill the house Democrats passed exempts any business with a payroll under $500,000 from the mandate. Then let him know that for his heart's sake, he'd better change where he gets his news to more reliable sources like NPR and Wikipedia.
That was a great video! Another thing to bring up is that before republicans hated medicare and now all the sudden they can't stop mentioning how the dems plans cuts some pork out of the medicare to pay for this.
I didn't like the argument. The first thing most those people would say is to abolish Social Security too. Second, they'd say that if you save those fat people then they'd still take your money and collect their social security. Nice try.
Well you're kind of right about the second part. If medicine is so effective that Cheeseburger man makes it far enough into retirement that we lose money on him, we might have to orchestrate a mishap with a wood chipper.
But if you think most people would cavalierly abandon social security, then your "most people" is not the real most people. In polls, 80% agree with the statement, "it's the government's responsibility to provide a decent standard of living for the elderly."
"- requiring most Americans to carry / obtain qualifying health insurance coverage or possibly face a surtax for non-compliance. [2][9]"
Required to purchase a service? We are required to purchase the service of the government, and we do it through taxes. How is it constitutional to require us to purchase a service from a private business?
SatwaMan, you're thinking of the income tax. Everyone pays the 15% payroll tax that goes to social security and medicare. It's a regressively tiered tax, meaning that the only people who pay less than 15% are the richest people. If you draw a paycheck you'll see it has its own line item, claiming 7.5% directly. The other half is payed by your employer.
The congressional budget office is saying the house bill will cost that. So almost universal healthcare would be everything we're paying now, plus that figure added on.
yeah i have medical and they canceled the dental plans :/ im only 16 and i want nice teeth damn it hahha to get the girls. i dont want to have to suffer because someone is greedy and rather have a imaginary sense of value in paper cloth and coins then the value of humanity. when it boils down to it money is nothing we put a value on it by thinking it has a value. if we all all said no we are not in debt and reset money value we might fix how we view the world economy and maybe even life.
Didn't you skip the part about cost a little fast Joe? From what i've geard the prediction is that the Public Option would generate more money than it costs. The defecit should be reduced 130billion (i think it was) over a 10 year period, and the next 10 years it would go up til somewhere around 5-600billions in savings.
Besides that: Geat work as always. I love it how simle logic never fails to make the GOP and fools like them look like morons.
First draft had a longer story about cheeseburger man and onion man, but you gotta edit for time. Cheeseburger man gets ground up into patties. Onion man, on his hundredth birthday, standing in his clean white kitchen, watching a hummingbird suckle a primrose, closes his eyes, whispers, "It's time," and crumbles to dust.
@Piddle: The American right-wing fringe uses nationalism to inspire their followers. It has dictated that the word "socialism" is equivalent to "Nazi" and "communist".
Sadly, their uneducated base doesn't know any better, even when presented with proof to the contrary in the form of modern European countries which are neither.
Even more sad is the fact that the moderates have no spine to fight the insanity, and the media gladly accepts them because the drama sells more advertising.
The problem with your rebuttal is it presumes your audience isn't in favor of abolishing Social Security in the first place. The "I live right" crowd will argue health care AND retirement are both the individual's responsibility.
That is my presumption, but it's not so much a problem, I think, as a choice. A choice to ignore certain sub-genres of right wing fringe ideology, while I try to persuade the rest. There will be other days and other choices.
This is correct. It is illogical to use one social program which most of your opponents are against, to argue another social program they are against. Not to mention the fact the social security funds are expected to run out some time between 2029 - 2037.
typically im put into the "cheeseburger man" category cuz of my size, but i actually eat fairly healthy, but cuz of my PCOS and hypothyroidism, i have a weight problem that could be treated by meds that i can't afford, so if i took care of it now, it would reduce my risk of hbp, ovarian cancer and diabetes, but instead of me being able to treat these 2 small things now, i guess i will wait til i can afford to, which might not be til i can get medicare, then the govt can pay for the chemo, yay US
you brought up Conservative Christians as not supporting health care so I thought I'd bring up a different case. Being unfair toward other people is bankrupting a country and putting caps on the amount of GDP spent on health care.
there is no way healthcare could cost 78 cents a day, in a year that is about I dunno 300 dollars, which is WAY less than what we normally pay, and it was estimated to be about half as less, not like 15 times as less.
and keep in mind the public option is tax free, it is cheaper because insurance companies are not making profit off of it which is good so people who need healthcare can actually get it and not be denied coverage over pre-existing conditions or their age, and what do you mean that would reduce the money if it doesn't come from taxes? and for how much? you made it sound like you could cover someone's healthcare by just paying 78 cents a day, not true
From what I can tell it is to cover that doughnut hole of people that was mentioned. Those that have too much money for govt. healthcare but too little to buy real healthcare.
What is the incentive for people in that economic bracket that have prioritized healthcare of importance, and have sacrificed other areas of their consumption to pay for it in the past, to stay with their current provider when there is nearly a %400 savings by spreading out who pays the bill over a wider range of people? I am in this doughnut hole. EVERYONE in that bracket is going to switch insurance. They would be miserably stupid not to.
Great video.
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swu1987 10 months ago
your argument was great. you put it perfectly so even the ignorant could understand you. and i loved your bag on the republicans >.<
keturahkingsland 1 year ago
you should have your own show
demon6700 1 year ago
will be exempt from lawsuits?? If you don't believe me... try sueing the post office over lost mail. YOU CANT.
Good job on endorsing socializing medicine. We won't be able to hold hospitals accountable for fuckups, we'll have emergency rooms filled with idiots with "irritable bowel syndrome" demanding a marijuana card and the politicans will have their hands in the insurance companies pockets instead of free enterprises. GOOD JOB!!!
jjrants 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but if your Glenn Beck analogy was really false, then congress wouldn't have had to pass the cheeseburger bill. Furthermore, "health care" is more of a fad than a necessity anymore. Christ..... have a bad day? Take a pill. That's the modern reality of it. As for truly needed healthcare, competition is the only thing that will keep prices down. Socializing it is just letting the pendulum swing too far on this one. Besides..... when healthcare IS socialized, are you aware that they...
jjrants 1 year ago
I do feel that being fat because of eating more then you should and then getting sick for being overweight is a problem for health cover, but what about alcoholics, drug addicts, ppl who drink too much red bull or bulimics. No one is perfect, its like getting sick because your diet did not give you the right vitamins and when you go to the hospital they say "I'm sorry but we have to let you die because you did not eat right".
justmy2c 1 year ago
i was like glenn beck and i still do stress that healthy habits would cut healthcare costs by a third or even a half, just in general, but you do make a good argument in how everyone does pay their taxes. very good argument joefelice. i just wish i would hear obama or congress stress more need for exercise in general.
TeslaDRay 2 years ago
i dont know how you did the math on this, or if you only incluede lower-middle-class americans, but if you did, it might be beneficial if you include even lower working classes in you're figuring for the total amounts of money needed for healthcare. i do appriciate your logic, though.
AlysaHJE 2 years ago
Joe, I'm really blown away by your logic and clear thought process. I've only just subscribed last week, but I am totally hooked.
I feel smarter every time I watch one of your videos.
eccentricfather 2 years ago
And one more thing, hope you had a lovely Thankgsiving.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
BTW, good to see you back, Joe. I'd love to see a vlog on the supposed War on Christmas. It occurred to me the other day that the only reason that people get political about "Merry Christmas" are that they want to assert that there are people in this country who belong more than others. It's bizarre, but they can't make the argument without making the spurious comment about how the US was founded as a Christian nation.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
Problem with your argument: You're stating the obvious, that the sick/poor (because in this day and age, lack of nutrition corresponds to low social class) would be subsidizing the well/rich.
The problem with this argument is that it assumes that someone out there is compassionate enough to care about those who need more subsidizing those who need less. They do not care. This is the Republican argument all along, that those who need the least are deserving of the most.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
Part of the problem is that junk food is cheaper then healthy food. Poor ppl have no choice, and it is not their fault. The gov subsedize corn wich is the reason why we have cheap junk food, if we instead gave money to broccoli farmers, we would not be having this obesity crisis.
justcallmesoso 2 years ago
yes & not many markets are in the vicinity to easily get to,other things weigh in,like fresh vegs/fruit are perishable & require multiple trips to the store,easier to just get canned foods and snacks,if people haven't a car that means multiple bus rides & fares + the stress of making repeated trips through society & carrying bags of groceries etc.Bleakness of poverty doesn't make it easy to delay gratification,satisfying taste buds with sugar,fat is 1pleasure that eases some stress in short term
catgumart 2 years ago
@catgumart
good argument.
TeslaDRay 2 years ago
I think libertarians want everything legalized But when people use whatever then they must take responsibility for their bad decisions,like if they go broke from making bad decisions while under the influence of too many cheeseburgers, well thats their problem & the libertarian has no obligation to help.(I agree with you, hope that is clear) But if the rich libertarian, free market capitalist needs coronary bypass surgery,it's still their responsibility but they have the money to pay for it...
catgumart 2 years ago
mmm cheeseburgers
nilbud 2 years ago
RrrrraaaaaaArrrrrrrrR!!!!!!!!!
Rant Joe Felice Rant!
This piece is so excellent, I'm sending it to all my friends and enemies alike.
So glad you are back and taking "the man" to task!
-R. in Montana
frane9r9r 2 years ago
the same ones who say people should do whatever they want dont like social responsibility,like libertarians,they say "go swimming but if you get bit by a shark and you make it back to the beach don't expect me to waste my energy bothering to get my cell phone out to call paramedics,you knew there were great white sharks in the ocean, you took your chances got bit now you come crawling back to land carrying your right leg crying that need help,whys your severed leg gotta ruin my nice day?
catgumart 2 years ago
Trickle up.... Oh man, like engineers that insisted I could make water run uphill over all the years I was able and willing to work. Oh, I'm on disability now and DO NOT want anyone else to pay for my healthcare. I WOULD like to see some good plans that aren't full of mandates that I don't want or need. Conservative, not Republican.
lastsngncwby 2 years ago
OK, all of the problems pointed out by this fellow are exactly right, and all of them were brought about by mandates and rules put in place by convoluted government bureaucrats which we will have even MORE of when this gets crammed down (or UP our) orifices.
lastsngncwby 2 years ago
You got the point of national social insurrance systems! <3 Everybody pays a little for everybody and everything. The ones in need get what they need. One day you (republican, selfish person) will need something as well.. trust me.
You'd think that a country as patriotic as the US would get the love and care for thy neighbour part of it. It was shortly after the middle ages that governments started to realise that to have a healthy/strong country it's inhabitants have to be in good health.
Lamondra 2 years ago
I'm interested to know your opinion on people who receive SSI benefits for depression...or bi-polar etc..do you think it is just an easy way out of responsibility and a parasitic existence? or do you think there should be a program to assist people who experience depression,anxiety...psychiatric distress,and social difficulties..actually this is me but Id like to know your opinion...thanks.
catgumart 2 years ago
@catgumart There are people calling depression a paracitic existance? I mean.. "official" people??
Gawd, I'm so happy I don't live in the states. I would have died nine years ago. I would not have become a teacher for youngsters with problems, my daughter would have been motherless.
Lamondra 2 years ago 2
so many people do...not only that but even if they accept it they still have an air or implicit attitude that somehow though I qualify, some how I could do better and that im just a weak person with some deep rooted character flaw...really people on disability get a meager income live in low class areas & circumstances, go without a lot of things that middle class people take for granted,things that could improve the quality of their lives and chances of success in areas of life.
catgumart 2 years ago
But you DO have an income and live under a roof. Even working people have a hard time getting into the middle class zone. I think it's unrealistic to expect to be there and disabled. Qualifying for disability pension based on a mental disorder is hard even in Sweden and Holland (not saying that that's right, just saying that there's not much difference in that area).
I was more thinking in the direction of getting the help and meds people might need when they suffer from depression disorder.
Lamondra 2 years ago
I think workers should have higher wages & lower hours.Many homeless are people who should qualify for mental health disability. I don't expect it but believe it is true. Yes qualifying for disability is hard & thats a sin because people need it. I dont support the standard pharmaceutical treatment for depression, & other psychiatric/mental wellness difficulties.I believe a major part of peoples problems comes from how society is structured & functions with help from individual uniqueness.
catgumart 2 years ago
I agree that it is hard for the workers to get to the middle class...working classers in superficial ways can resemble middle class like by having cars, cable tvs or even mortages...but they are still deep in debt, trapped & at the mercy of trends & unhealthy social conventions & practices somehow reinforced by the very competition with each other & they have a narrow spectrum of choices, not enough time or resources to reach higher potentials, true mid class IMO has to be above 50,ooo a year
catgumart 2 years ago
He actually made allot of sense minus the hating on republicans towards the end, but that's what has always divided our country hate, too bad.
luckymike9 2 years ago
That's my bag, Mike. I am here to promote a point of view that's contrary to another point of view. I have certain beliefs that are the opposite of the Republican party, and I showcase that difference vigorously. However, all opinions and people are welcome in my audience and comments, and I enjoy and benefit from reading dissent.
JoeFelice 2 years ago 2
hey joe i have a question for you. Do you think if we were to slowly get rid of the WTO that our economy and growth would go alot better for a longer period of time. and maybe get rid of these recessions.
backlash6282 2 years ago
Conservatives really bug the fuck out of me for this reason. Back in the days that they revel in, we had no big multinational insurance companies taking $700 a fucking month and still fighting me on my claims for me and my family. If your a true conservative, you can do w/o these lying cheating sons of bitches. I fought for this country and I am totally for health care reform. I can't even get decent coverage at a fucking job. These Neocon scaring everyone about this shit can go fuck themselves!
XOLOTLdaTOLTEK 2 years ago
I tried that argument with my friend but sadly it didn't have the same effect as in the video. They actually said I was the one idealizing the situation to fit the scenario, NOT them. Oh well. It's a nice fresh view.
Vestboymyst23 2 years ago
See, that's why it's always easier to argue with your imaginary opponent than a real person! Alas, maybe next time.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
My big beef with the healthcare is the individual mandate.
Make me a criminal because i choose not to not have it... Wrong, Just Wrong.
Let the Healthcare bill fail without me, thanks.
lrlpercy 2 years ago
All taxes are individual mandates. You and truthforamerica below talk about it like requiring everyone to get in on it is some new kind of invention where for the first time people can't opt out of chipping in to the government.
Your existing individual mandates for Medicare and Medicaid are 682 billion this year alone. But add in a fraction more for something that may actually apply to you and suddenly Big Brother wants to put you in jail. Republican. Fearmongering. Hype.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
I'm not a Republican and I oppose the mandate -- in fact if you recall, so did Obama on the campaign trail -- while Hillary supported it.
It's not just a "tax," its forcing you to buy something plain and simple. It's forcing you to buy a bad product from some very large and evil corporations. That's why I, as a liberal-minded person oppose the mandate.
All those young, former Obama voters who are going to be forced to buy into this are going to remember in 2012.
TheDystopiaInside 2 years ago
*bats eyes*
What are you talking? I'm not trying to rude at all but .... your comment doesn't make any sense to me.
true99 2 years ago
My point is that it's not just conservatives who oppose a personal mandate which Obama is embracing. I am a liberal and I oppose mandating people to buy a bad product from big, evil corporations.
TheDystopiaInside 2 years ago
and the numbers for this healthcare reform bill are being tainted... The numbers are fixed Joe. This bill is a scam and if you can't see this then i can't help ya.
Individual mandate is a bad idea no matter how you spin it.
How much chipping in is required before you dems decide it is enough? curious to know seeing as you know what is best for me.
lrlpercy 2 years ago
That's very convenient for you, but the Republicans love the CBO numbers when they support their positions, which was the case on THIS bill, earlier this year, which is the main reason the plan was revised. The CBO is non-partisan.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
lol, a good ol' conservative ^_^.
You seem upset ...
true99 2 years ago
So Joe when you say it's only 300 million dollars a day(aka 78 cents/person a day) , what you are also saying is that it's 300 million dollars a day we are adding to the deficit. 300 million dollars we don't have and that we owe. Ask your buddy if you can borrow 30 dollars, when you already owe him $300,000. And to be perfectly honest, even if we had a surplus, I could think of a lot better social programs to spend the money on... like say public education.
textualhealing 2 years ago
Sorry Joe, but I rather have a roof over my head than the prospect of a liver transplant. the idea of providing cheesburger man with his heart transplant because he pays SS tax is ludicrous; we won't even have the funds to pay out SS when you're a senior citizen. You are living in a dream world. We don't have the technology to provide close to 400 million people with affordable healthcare. Maybe if more people protested these unjust wars, we could begin to contemplate true UHC.
textualhealing 2 years ago
Maybe you don't care about the deficit or national debt. Maybe you think because you are an American you are entitled to complete health coverage no matter the state the country is in. Well the real victims of the US's economic policies are the people in Asia working for a few dollars a day. We pay them with valueless money for their hard labor, so we can continue our wars and social programs. What about the millions of uninsured Chinese working in terrible conditions?
textualhealing 2 years ago
sideshowbob, I think you drank too much coffee today. slow down. take it easy dude.
nowhitall 2 years ago
That's what they called me in high school.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
DAMN THOSE CHEESEBURGERS!
I went to BK today and ordered a $1.50 double bacon cheese burger and the bastards at the drive thru put a "cheeseburger" in my lunch sack. I didn't realize it until 5 blocks later. Damn those cheeseburgers!
nowhitall 2 years ago
I love it when I hear "why shouldn't doctors earn $500,000"? How about why should we pay for education and all the school loans? Have you heard about the schools hiking there tuitions, like UCLA? Unbelievable that's what I say. Go to the UK and you get in free to all their Museums, here you frigan pay. We got it back asswards. :)
rrsrichard 2 years ago
Why shouldn't doctors earn $500,000? They go to school for over a decade and have hundreds of thousands of dollars in school loans. They get to pay the outrageous malpractice insurance premiums and practice defensive medicine because of the trial lawyers that donate heavily to the Democrat Party. Strangely that aspect is silent in these bills. In fact, there is a provision in the House Bill that stops incentive payments to states that put caps on liability lawsuits. Payback time?
truthforamerica 2 years ago
Most "cheeseburger" men have plenty of money to buy cigarettes, booze, and lottery tickets. We can take care of each other. That doesn't empower the government to confiscate the possessions of one and give it to another. Should the doctor that spent 12 years working his butt off in med school provide his services at the behest of the govt.? If this bill is so urgent, why do the benefits not start for 4 years but the revenue collection starts immediately?
truthforamerica 2 years ago
You know what's really funny is that, when you first began to describe Cheeseburger Man, I got an image of Rush Limbaugh.
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
You're being unfair to gargoyles. They're cool.
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
This is true.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
nice video mate
sm0kingJay 2 years ago
I can't believe I've found someone who can properly articulate and formulate a concise argument that I may utilize in my own debates against those whom I discuss political issues with. Joe Felice, I love you.
eman2489 2 years ago
Wow! That was good video.
mediawrks2 2 years ago
I would like to adopt Congressman Chet Edwards, who happens to be my representative and also happens to be a Democrat. Congressman Edwards voted against the health care bill, so I think I am going to pay his 78 cents.
leftofcollegestation 2 years ago
Alright, he's yours!
JoeFelice 2 years ago
hahahaha
true99 2 years ago
Joe
that was ...... brilliant.
marbballz 2 years ago 2
I have 78 cents
lizandryan1027 2 years ago
I like how expecting personal accountability is draconian. All this health care stuff is really wrecking the natural selection process with humans. I think the reason we keep getting sicker is because we are able to keep the unhealthy and idiots alive long enough to pass one their genetic codes, heh.
usnationalist 2 years ago
Your first sentence was the only thing that wasn't draconian
JoeFelice 2 years ago
If you're really serious about this statement I think you need to read up on your biology and see what natural selection is about. This is like saying people in infected areas shouldn't move elsewhere. Humans are never removed from natural selection, at the most selective pressure is higher or lower.
Machomatscho 2 years ago
I am rich. My father was rich as well. It's gotta be genetic.
Gilgamesh32 2 years ago
Was Utnapishtim rich?
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
Well arn't you clever.
And yes. Utnapishtim was quite wealthy.
Gilgamesh32 2 years ago
Sorry to be annoying. I just never envisioned the chance to put a question to Gilgamesh of all people?
lazyperfectionist1 2 years ago
No big deal it comes with being, you know, FAMOUS.
Well, sorta.
Gilgamesh32 2 years ago
I believe My health is in my hands. And i take advantage.. so i say keep eating your cheeseburgers
SPFIREHAWK2 2 years ago
As a person of faith, I'd just like to point out that Jesus NEVER said that a person's sickness was a result of his/her sin. He just HEALED people. Of course, almost all of us could adopt healthier lifestyles, but let's just concentrate on the planks in our own eyes and follow Jesus' example: heal people. I'm totally for a single payer system, and don't believe this health care bill will do much, if any good. But I hope it will be a first step.
knibbles1882 2 years ago 2
Sounds like we've got a Christian who actually tries to follow Christ's example. Hippie!
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Yes, I am all for the public option.
I am a working college student who is 24 years old. I've never felt more engaged than I do now.
I've wanted Health Care Reform since 2000.
true99 2 years ago
Yes, but Jesus was long ago supplanted by John Calvin who consistently maintained that people got everything they deserved in all instances. It's sad that real Christianity's message of love has been pushed aside in our politics in favor of John Calvin's message of self-righteousness.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
lol Miss Moxie...that was hilarious!
GOP GOAL: Stay as IRRELEVANT in 2010 as they are today.
"GOP followers can be seen wearing HUGE bandages on their chins these days due to ALL the excessive "Tea-Bagging" they've done lately!" ~Scarah Failin
GOP = Great Obsolete Pity!
mavrek47 2 years ago
I'm sure they'll pass some sort of plan, but much more watered down. Cheers!
londres82 2 years ago
I still think you Americans should adopt some other European system altogether.
Reijen 2 years ago
same goes for smokers here in australia everyone says they are a burden on the health care system but the cost of a pack of ciggerttes is around 60% tax ... you get 25 ciggerettes for $14 so if you smoke a pack a day thats more then $7 for the government ... over a year thats more then $2500 in tax alone and just like cheeseburger man (who probably also smokes) smokers will more than likely die before they get a chance to claim any old age pension ...
TheKennyKiller 2 years ago
dude.... WoW!
*press subscribe*
97Stellar 2 years ago
haha, I know Stellar lol. I totally had to press the subscribe button too.
true99 2 years ago
Great Joe! You are very good at explaining politics in an entertaining way.
Gorvena 2 years ago
You can't seriously believe it will just cost the amount they claim in the bill can you? Wake up to reality...and BTW I'm not a christian or republican
ukjw2 2 years ago
Joe, you are amazing, you have such evolved and intelligent views on the world we live in, and I learn something from you every time I watch your videos.
Also...dude, you MUST have a teleprompter or something. Your videos don't have any cuts, and there is no way someone can be that articulate and concise without stuttering or stopping to think. How the hell do you do it?
TheseApples 2 years ago
If you watch closely you can see me reading.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
He's just that awesome
pjninjamonkey 2 years ago
I so want your knowledge inside me
y512516 2 years ago
you should consider a full (3-day) politics weekend. unless you have something cool to do
NMRA 2 years ago 2
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Hi Joey, you stupid ass licking talking monkey. Im wondering what you are going to do when this WEAK, USELESS, LYING Mother Fucker Barack Obama sends in another 20 or 30 thousand more of our beloved troops to die in an winnable war in Afghanistan to support a corrupt government?
onerpone 2 years ago
how's all that anger working out for you?
TheseApples 2 years ago 2
did you mean winnable or unwinnable
TheKennyKiller 2 years ago
UNWINNABLE
onerpone 2 years ago
joe this was exceptional, even more so than your other exceptional pieces. healthcare is a right, not a privilege. obama has bent over backwards to make this palatable for the republicans. i think it's time he spat in glen beck's eye over this issue.
hume12345 2 years ago
Thanks hume
JoeFelice 2 years ago
You should do beer reviews
rmac40 2 years ago
LOGIC WIN! Nice Joe!
rmac40 2 years ago
I'm surprised you feel that the bills being pushed through are effective. I tried to read the thousands of pages long bill before falling asleep on my keyboard. Of what I did get it doesn't seem to fix the problems of the cost. it merely makes demands on the already over burdened system to cover those who can not. Where is the solution tho the cost. I couldn't find where they plan to mandate a lower cost and still provide care.
LoyalCynic 2 years ago
Try the wikipedia version in the sidebar. But don't expect much cost solution in the bill. As I say in the video, what they're working on now is more the access part than the cost part. I don't know where you're coming from with the already-burdened part though.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
The burden is the ever increasing costs to the country at large, even the middle class who can scrape by to maintain there slight grip on their half effective insurance is loosening. I feel my own family struggling to keep up with rising costs.
LoyalCynic 2 years ago
On the other side I see is my boss who lives in fear of employer mandated health insurance. I know that if he is forced to provide insurance for his local cafe & bakery, I won't be employed for very long. My hope is that policy makers will vote with their conscience and not their wallet/party/strategy. I don't know whether to laugh with cynicism or cry. Looks like I'm either going to be uninsured or unemployed.
LoyalCynic 2 years ago
It sounds like your boss has been listening to too much right-wing propaganda, lying to him and calling it news. Let him know that the bill the house Democrats passed exempts any business with a payroll under $500,000 from the mandate. Then let him know that for his heart's sake, he'd better change where he gets his news to more reliable sources like NPR and Wikipedia.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
I'm baaaaaack. I missed you.
0c4pnh4nk 2 years ago
There you are!
JoeFelice 2 years ago
@JoeFelice Is there any way I can get a whiney-ass Republican with a mute button? Oh, and can I get them in Cornflower Blue?
losroftheday 2 years ago
i'll adopt one :D and im a 16 year old pizza boy :P
GoerzIndustries 2 years ago
That was a great video! Another thing to bring up is that before republicans hated medicare and now all the sudden they can't stop mentioning how the dems plans cuts some pork out of the medicare to pay for this.
Yewon2001 2 years ago
FOOD FOOD NOW FOOD FOOD NOW
X809XBirdman11 2 years ago
Brilliant
DellBoy010 2 years ago
What you say makes a lot of sense. And, I just love listening to you talk. <3 Sigh, if I wasn't married...
JessicaIsIn 2 years ago
Could you tear apart Steven Crowder please?
Ziggysyrinx 2 years ago
I didn't like the argument. The first thing most those people would say is to abolish Social Security too. Second, they'd say that if you save those fat people then they'd still take your money and collect their social security. Nice try.
BottomContributor 2 years ago
Well you're kind of right about the second part. If medicine is so effective that Cheeseburger man makes it far enough into retirement that we lose money on him, we might have to orchestrate a mishap with a wood chipper.
But if you think most people would cavalierly abandon social security, then your "most people" is not the real most people. In polls, 80% agree with the statement, "it's the government's responsibility to provide a decent standard of living for the elderly."
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Way to go, Joe! I'll adopt a whiney ass republican too!
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
gardenburger w/yam fries w/hummus dip....mmmm;-0
Steadno 2 years ago
people should probably lose weight and try to get health rather than cry about healthcare.
sharinganclan213 2 years ago
do a religion video
MaxBobcat 2 years ago
Jesus!
JoeFelice 2 years ago
"- requiring most Americans to carry / obtain qualifying health insurance coverage or possibly face a surtax for non-compliance. [2][9]"
Required to purchase a service? We are required to purchase the service of the government, and we do it through taxes. How is it constitutional to require us to purchase a service from a private business?
Jeff77459 2 years ago
You shouldn't ask me to show you that that the constitution doesn't prohibit something, you should show me why you think it does.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
That doesn't make cheese burger man feel better in the argument though : (
duleekim 2 years ago
Cheeseburger man gets to go to the doctor, which will ease his suffering for his short time on this earth.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
That's a very bad argument.
Poor people don't pay much taxes, and those that do are not poor. You have to make decent money to pay taxes
SatwaMan 2 years ago
However, as a Brit, I think everyone should have free healthcare.
Period.
SatwaMan 2 years ago
SatwaMan, you're thinking of the income tax. Everyone pays the 15% payroll tax that goes to social security and medicare. It's a regressively tiered tax, meaning that the only people who pay less than 15% are the richest people. If you draw a paycheck you'll see it has its own line item, claiming 7.5% directly. The other half is payed by your employer.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
If he eats meat, I don't want to pay taxes for him.
SatwaMan 2 years ago
well im like husky lol and ima stay husky. i dont want to be skinny lol but i dont want to be HUGE. just husky lol and im at my goal =)
brownpr1d394560 2 years ago
great video, just subbed!
LiveAndLetDice 2 years ago
Welcome back, Chum!
GBoots9 2 years ago
Thanks much!
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Joe Felice, 2016 ( i would say 2012 but i want obama to run again)
littlejager 2 years ago
@littlejager no palin 2012
EYE2EYE3 2 years ago
Originality success!
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago
78 cents a day is 28470 dollars a year ;_;
randomviewer896 2 years ago
$284.70/yr
Well worth it!
AstoundedAtheist 2 years ago 2
Not if you take .78, which is 78 cents, times 365 days a year. Move that decimal point to the left by two places. ;)
tulrich125 2 years ago
So you are saying that universal health care will cost us just about $300 a year per person, sounds like it's worth it.
Micfri 2 years ago
The congressional budget office is saying the house bill will cost that. So almost universal healthcare would be everything we're paying now, plus that figure added on.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
marry me?
paperdollgashes 2 years ago
Done and done.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Nice job dude. Well thought out.
PatSpeaks 2 years ago
This is the Joe I missed. I glad to hear you talk politics again. Keep it up!
By the way, I agree with sblxi invert the whole thing politics all week then weekends free.
Latinocr 2 years ago
Brilliant, unless im wrong did you even need to cut and edit, was that all one take?
hwprugby 2 years ago
I usually record 2 or 3 takes but choose my favorite and use all of it. I stumbled over a word at 5:35 so there is a cut there.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
yeah i have medical and they canceled the dental plans :/ im only 16 and i want nice teeth damn it hahha to get the girls. i dont want to have to suffer because someone is greedy and rather have a imaginary sense of value in paper cloth and coins then the value of humanity. when it boils down to it money is nothing we put a value on it by thinking it has a value. if we all all said no we are not in debt and reset money value we might fix how we view the world economy and maybe even life.
froman46992 2 years ago
Didn't you skip the part about cost a little fast Joe? From what i've geard the prediction is that the Public Option would generate more money than it costs. The defecit should be reduced 130billion (i think it was) over a 10 year period, and the next 10 years it would go up til somewhere around 5-600billions in savings.
Besides that: Geat work as always. I love it how simle logic never fails to make the GOP and fools like them look like morons.
jo05dk 2 years ago
Canada.
6663000 2 years ago
Ugh, you had a perfect moment for a Soylent Green reference there.
lunexor 2 years ago
First draft had a longer story about cheeseburger man and onion man, but you gotta edit for time. Cheeseburger man gets ground up into patties. Onion man, on his hundredth birthday, standing in his clean white kitchen, watching a hummingbird suckle a primrose, closes his eyes, whispers, "It's time," and crumbles to dust.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
awesome!!! I like your political vids.
superdragoncat 2 years ago 2
You should just do politics every day except when theres nothing going on.
badmuffy 2 years ago
i kinda agree with that, but mostly because i love watching his political videos. but i want to see what else he has up his sleeve. :]
shoutoutthewords 2 years ago
Dealing with health care there is a lot of talk about socialism. Mostly bad talk. Why? why cant there be a socialist government?
PiddleMettuar 2 years ago
@Piddle: The American right-wing fringe uses nationalism to inspire their followers. It has dictated that the word "socialism" is equivalent to "Nazi" and "communist".
Sadly, their uneducated base doesn't know any better, even when presented with proof to the contrary in the form of modern European countries which are neither.
Even more sad is the fact that the moderates have no spine to fight the insanity, and the media gladly accepts them because the drama sells more advertising.
Monchanger 2 years ago
Love your videos Joe. You should do a video about how funny Phil and Shay are.
ryanexsus 2 years ago
The problem with your rebuttal is it presumes your audience isn't in favor of abolishing Social Security in the first place. The "I live right" crowd will argue health care AND retirement are both the individual's responsibility.
superpoopoop 2 years ago
But wasnt social security NOT supposed to be retirement?
clankdud 2 years ago
That is my presumption, but it's not so much a problem, I think, as a choice. A choice to ignore certain sub-genres of right wing fringe ideology, while I try to persuade the rest. There will be other days and other choices.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Can't argue with you on that Joe. Guess I've been hanging around too many fiscal conservatives and libertarians. =P
superpoopoop 2 years ago
This is correct. It is illogical to use one social program which most of your opponents are against, to argue another social program they are against. Not to mention the fact the social security funds are expected to run out some time between 2029 - 2037.
textualhealing 2 years ago
typically im put into the "cheeseburger man" category cuz of my size, but i actually eat fairly healthy, but cuz of my PCOS and hypothyroidism, i have a weight problem that could be treated by meds that i can't afford, so if i took care of it now, it would reduce my risk of hbp, ovarian cancer and diabetes, but instead of me being able to treat these 2 small things now, i guess i will wait til i can afford to, which might not be til i can get medicare, then the govt can pay for the chemo, yay US
cherilyndria 2 years ago
and there ya go
JoeFelice 2 years ago
I always enjoy your channel, thanks!
And I agree with one of the commenters above- I'd love to have 5 days of political talk during the week and fun stuff or a break on weekends.
squividee 2 years ago
wheel sea
JoeFelice 2 years ago
Also I am quite curious why the related videos are deep frying turkey videos with alton brown lol.
clankdud 2 years ago
Problem with intro is that I'm not religious, and I don't support the health care bill.
As for SS, why bring up another flawed system? We should get rid of that, too.
Paomnnehal 2 years ago
You don't have to be religious to be unfair toward other people.
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All the systems are flawed. Democracy is flawed. We're not getting rid of aid to the elderly.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
you brought up Conservative Christians as not supporting health care so I thought I'd bring up a different case. Being unfair toward other people is bankrupting a country and putting caps on the amount of GDP spent on health care.
Paomnnehal 2 years ago
there is no way healthcare could cost 78 cents a day, in a year that is about I dunno 300 dollars, which is WAY less than what we normally pay, and it was estimated to be about half as less, not like 15 times as less.
DeagleBeagle 2 years ago
That money doesn't go to you. That's the money that reduces the cost of insurance for people who can't afford it now.
JoeFelice 2 years ago
and keep in mind the public option is tax free, it is cheaper because insurance companies are not making profit off of it which is good so people who need healthcare can actually get it and not be denied coverage over pre-existing conditions or their age, and what do you mean that would reduce the money if it doesn't come from taxes? and for how much? you made it sound like you could cover someone's healthcare by just paying 78 cents a day, not true
DeagleBeagle 2 years ago
From what I can tell it is to cover that doughnut hole of people that was mentioned. Those that have too much money for govt. healthcare but too little to buy real healthcare.
clankdud 2 years ago
What is the incentive for people in that economic bracket that have prioritized healthcare of importance, and have sacrificed other areas of their consumption to pay for it in the past, to stay with their current provider when there is nearly a %400 savings by spreading out who pays the bill over a wider range of people? I am in this doughnut hole. EVERYONE in that bracket is going to switch insurance. They would be miserably stupid not to.
Jeff77459 2 years ago
For some reason much of this went over my head while it normally does not. This migraine my have something to do with it.
clankdud 2 years ago
Joe, youdabest.
ElDeclan 2 years ago
oh, and i'll adopt eric cantor since he is from virginia.
but i guess i should be eighteen and pay taxes first. hah.
lol, and my friend and i edited a picture of mitch mcconnell's head on a turtles body.
shoutoutthewords 2 years ago
I think whoever challenges him for his seat in Kentucky should use the slogan, "Sink Mitch McConnell in KY!"
JoeFelice 2 years ago
very nice Joe....
You need to do whatever you need to do to get your ass on MSNBC.
You have a good logical outlook on America's situation.
5 stars.