who is that big ugly lesbian mule, bull dyke that goes on and on about her hair. She's supposed to be leading flocks of people and the only thing she can think about is her hair?!?!?!?!?!?!
Thank you for an honest evaluation of the facts! NOT ALL Lutherans agree with this terrible decision! In fact, most do NOT!! And we heartily welcome them at the LCMS,as so does the WELS.Thank you for an honest portrayal of a Church body(discluding the liberal ELCA synod, struggling from within,by the way) of devout, Biblical Lutherans who have no kinship with these lies that twist God's Word! Gays searching for the Saviour are welcome in the congregation---but are not as Pastors!Thanks,dear sir!
The "largest" denomination may be losing many to WELS and LCMS!!! I know many are more than considering the move. The other 2 synods will happily accept these more conservative, Biblical Lutherans!
It is amazing to me the level of lying deception that homosexuals are under: they have no understanding of God's word, ignore His clear word against homosexuality and believe all hate (including hatred of evil) is wrong. This is a multiplicity of grave heresies.
@Jackrabbitspecial70 There is no conflict regarding old and new testament, God is not divided against Himself, and homosexuality is STILL A SIN: by the way - last time I checked: Romans chapter 1 (which condemns the homosexual) was in the NEW testament.
A) Hatred of evil is not bad - God Himself hates evil, his anger burns daily against the wicked: there is no unrighteous hatred here, only righteous hatred against foul sexual perversions attacking the church. B) you are ignorant & heretical: there is no confliction in the revealed scriptures of God's divine word - a house divided cannot stand, and regardless of that truth: last time I checked - Romans Chapter 1 (which in no uncertain terms curses homosexuality) is NT!!
There have been gay Pastors, but they have had to serve without being open about who they are. Congregations call Pastors so they should decide. You are confusing Biblical authority with church tradition.
@oriolesfan61 No, I'm not the one who is confused, by your own words ("biblical AUTHORITY") you confirm that ANY church that calls itself Christian is under the guidance authority of Holy Scripture.
What is against scripture is by definition heretical & evil - having pastor who is a REPENTANT sinner, whether it be homosexuality, drinking, whatever is nothing new.... however ENDORSING sin IS new, & IS evil.
The church "tradition" of excluding unregenerate sinners from the clergy is scriptural.
@oriolesfan61 I've investigated your youtube channel, you are one very confused & worldly individual: No one who posts wiccain withcraft chant videos like you do on your channel is a friend of the church!
With your dispersment of witchcraft you have shown yourself to be the enemy of God and your statements about the church are therefore anathema.
Another hateful sinning christian being judgemental towards gays. "Judge not lest ye be judged". So many people pick their own words out of leviticus. I hope God changes your heart before you go to hell.
@sweetbasil2010 And another heretical Harold Camping cultist chimes in... Hey liar: It isn't just OT where homosexuality is clearly defined as an abomination to the Lord, it's all across the bible! If you can read Romans chapter one and not see that homosexuals are cursed then you are indeed blind!
1 Corinthians 5:12 = It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.
@Swackers90 1st Corinthians 5:12 (NKJV)- For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[a]
Another clueless christian who does not understand bible verses. Forget about all abominations except man lying with man as womankind, what the heck, those other abominations don't matter LOL BIGOT! HERETIC!!
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has every right to set its own policies based on its study and understanding of the Bible and Christian teachings. If people do not like those policies, then, they can go to another church.
On the other hand, those who attracted by the open-mindedness, tolerance and Christian love of the ELCA will gravitate toward it. That is one of the beauties of America. People can find the church that matches their personal beliefs and needs.
@lastdaysguitar Total and utter bullshit, christians will do anything they can to get the rest of the world to hate gay people, you are a pathetic excuse for a man.
@smurfboywv Scriptures don't lie, but you do. I don't hate homosexuals. I am concerned about eternal spirits being damned to hell for eternity because of unrepentant sexual sin!
Your swearing, lies, & insults are EXACTLY what Jesus said would happen when gospel is shared with those who are perishing.
100,000,000 years from now when you are still burning in hell, not a moment closer to it ending than when you arrived: you'll remember your words & despair that you didn't heed the warnings.
@RCSVirginia It's interesting that when I posted what holy scriptures say about homosexuality on RCSVirginias page I was blocked & the scriptures where deleted.
When someone hides from the light of scripture like a cockroach hides from the light, it only shows whose camp they are in.
RCSVirginia has no interest in submitting to God's authority, only in defending the SIN of homosexuality.
You will die in your perversion unless you CONFESS, REPENT in JESUS CHRIST"S MIGHTY NAME.
The point of this video is that LEADERSHIP in church are ORDAINED to a position of spiritual trust and HAVE accountability to man and God, therefore they should live an exemplary life and NOT be in perennial bondage to ANY SIN, certainly not a sexual sin - which (per the bible) is more serious as it is sin against ones own body.
The discussion of "other sins" is a digression from the true topic at hand.
Adulterers are also unfit, as homosexuals for appointment of ordination to the clergy.
GOD doesn't allow remarriage for divorced people because of being of "unequally yoked". If you made a mistake outside of the Biblical grounds of divorce: adultery, death of spouse, and abandonment by the Unbeliever. Oh well. You don't get a pass.
@imhotep1 And yet right there you admit there is biblical grounds for divorce. Such can not be said for homosexuality under any circumstances. Thats why the comparison is invalid. And BTW, a faithful spouse married with someone who thinks they can be abusive or adulterous constitutes being "unequally yoked" as you would have one being faithful to the marriage vows made before God, and another one violating them. It's not as simple as a believer living with an unbeliever.
@imhotep1 I am done with this. You've made up your mind and that's that. Whatever. I am not denying the church has dropped the ball or marriage and divorce. We have. That being said. Paralelling homosexuality with marriage and divorce is an invalid parallel. That's all I am saying. I've made my case. I am done. God bless you.
The number one cause of divorce in America is MONEY. If 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, divorced Christians outnumber all these other "heretics". I don't agree with homosexuality, but neither do I agree with divorced people getting a pass. This focus on homosexuality is taking us away from "keeping our eyes on the sparrow". We should be admonising all our sins (cold and strict) or treating everyone with mercy (hot and compassionate).
Good public service video. It's really a big problem when a church doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Every other "church" opinion about all issues has the shadow of doubt over it now. It represents a complete loss of credibility as a witness. Keep up the good work informing us. Thanks again.
Sexual immorality is not to be tolerated within the congregtion, we are called by command of scripture to seperate from those who proudly/unrepentantly engage in such acts, that is why I made this video.
The corrupted evil entity known as ELCA (which is proudly and stupidly marching into to hell), and God's people who are positioned as members of the ELCA (those who have been given by God and obey God by the power of Jesus Christ) must become seperate.
@lastdaysguitar Thanks for the response. One minor critique that I have or your video is that on a couple of occasions you come across as suggesting that the ELCA encompasses all Lutherans, and as I am sure you are aware that is not the case. There are still many good Lutheran church-bodies which are standing firmly on God's Word; LCMS, WELS, LCMC, NALC, TAALC to name a few. The ELCA is the largest by far, but not the only ones.
@MackLeeGreen You are the first person to suggest that I make no distinction, actually I've had several non-ELCA Lutheren pastors thank me for making clear distinctions between ELCA's heresy and the genuine Lutheren denominational faith. Please point out sections (start/stop times) where the statements seem to suggest otherwise, I'll be glad to review your concerns - if I agree I'll add text to clarify thanks.
It is agreed that many spirit filled Lutheren churches exist - I thank God for that!
@lastdaysguitar In looking at it again I notice that you do introduce the ELCA as the largest Lutheran church-body. I didn't catch that the first time, sorry. That said, ar around 1:45-53 you say "Let's take a look at what happened to the Lutheran church" and then describe it as a church that once stood proudly on the Word of God. That to me sounded like you were referring to Lutheranism in general, partly because I would question if the ELCA ever stood proudly on the Word of God. Cont'd
@lastdaysguitar Ar 6:47 you refer to the ELCA as the Lutheran church in America. Again that made it sound to me as if you were referring to all Lutherans, at least in America. I know that some non-Lutherans have assumed that the ELCA is representative of all Lutherans. Also keep in mind that the ELCA is trying to frame it in that way also. They want people to think they are the only Lutherans. As it is is probably fine except that you could maybe name some of the other Lutheran church-bodies.
@MackLeeGreen I put a clarification in around 6:47... as to the other comment, I'm going to leave that as is: at one time ELCA was considered among Lutherans as a legitamite Lutheran denomination - however that was many years and many church funded (re: their health plan & rules for employees) abortions ago!
@MackLeeGreen You might want to check with those Lutheran bodies again because I know many of them waiver on issues of divorce and remarriage. Like Jesus told Mary Magdalene "Go and sin no more". He didn't say keep doing what you're doing or what you did was right. HE DID NOT CONDONE HER SINNING. I must say that because divorced Christians always use that verse in regards to forgiveness thinking it permits them to sin again by stubbornly giving into their flesh to remarry.
@imhotep1 When did I suggest that Jesus condoned anyone's sin. And of course none of those church-bodies are perfect. Most of them would concede that they have made mistakes when it comes to divorce and re-marriage. But I challenge you to find a church-body that hasn't. For the most part, in those church-bodies when a pastor gets a divorce they would be expected to resign, and maybe even be removed. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part divorced is not tolerated among clergy...
@imhotep1 What would you have them do beyond that oustide clergy?? Should they excommunicate people who divorce?? From my experiences most divorces in the church involve a strong betrayal of trust through adultery, abuse etc. There is rarely a couple who says "We just don't want to be married anymore." That doesn't justify it of course. But you can acknowledge the complexities of marriage and divorce that sometimes mean divorce might be the "lesser of two evils" and still call divorce a sin.
@MackLeeGreen It was written 1 Corinthians 6: 18 "Expel the sexually immoral." I grew up in the Lutheran church and I know how strict and cold they were to divorced Christians. You were not allowed to hold a position in church, nor teach Bible study, hold an influential job such as teacher, police officer, or doctor. They were real strict and harsh back then. That's why Jesus said You're even worse because you're neither Hot(Compassionate) nor Cold(Strict). The ELCA is being hot.
@imhotep1 The ELCA is being hot?? Are you kidding me?? They are the very definition of lukewarm. The "hot" and "cold" that Revelation 3 speaks of refers to repentance (cold) and those who have been sanctified by the Spirit (hot). It's not an either or. Faithful church-bodies are both cold and hot. Every one of those church-bodies I referred to would fit that category. You may have grown up Lutheran, but I am Lutheran and I have spent a great deal of time studying the different Lutheran denoms
@imhotep1 And BTW I would submit that some of those church-bodies probably still don't allow divorced people to hold leadership positions, at least not until they have gone through confession and absolution. And 1st Cor 6:18 refers to the unrepentant. You mentioned the passage where Jesus says to Mary Magdalene, go forth and sin no more. By your logic, Jesus should have expelled her. But He didn't because she was repentant.
@MackLeeGreen The bottom line is that he did not CONDONE her sin and she did not remarry another. Jesus also said in Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, remove that plank from your own eye..." If we are to condemn homosexuality harshly (cold and strict), we need to condemn divorce and remarriage outside Scripture and having a child out of wedlock just as harshly (cold and strict). A divorced person who gives into the flesh by remarriage outside adultery, death, and unbeliever leaving is still sinning.
@imhotep1 So a woman constantly being abused by her unfaithful husband should stay in that marriage even if it ends up costing her her life. This comparison with divorce does not hold water. The bible does say divorce is a sin. But it also says we are not to be unequally yoked. And the fact is, divorce certificates were permitted in some cases. There is never any such allowances for homosexuality. Divorce should never be affirmed. But if the dissoolution of a marriage is going to save lives..
@MackLeeGreen GOD admonished those who were divorcing for any reason and that's why scripture is firm in both the old and new testament. Even if you are not equally yoked and you get a divorce you cannot get remarried. Back in the old days, you had to remain unmarrried if you were divorced outside of scripture. A woman was not likely to be abused in Biblical times due to the tribalism of the community. You were born, lived, and died around the same people who would hold you acccountable.
@imhotep1 Are you kidding me?? Women were one notch above livestock. They were abused in ways that none of us could probably fathom. Also back then, the man was the only one who could get a divorce. Today it's mutual. What about in the case of a couple where one spouse is doing everything they can to save the marriage, while the other has pretty much given up on the marriage?? Should the one doing due diligence stay married to someone who has already abandoned any pretense or faithfulness.
Dude, You have no idea what you are talking about. You and everyone like you remind me of the old testement leaders of the synogogs, who despised what Jesus Christ stood for because he eccepted outcast and broke bread with tax collectors and sinners. You should be proud of the ELCA exending the love and grace of Jesus Christ to all. Yes, these people are sinners and are not following God's will. But niether are you by pointing out their flaws.
@rhywe Apparently you've never read the scriptures - as I DO know what a Christian's response is supoosed to be: we are told to confront sin in love and truth, with the power of the Gospel, which is what I did.
@rhywe The ELCA Ichabod, and is NOT extending the love of God in Christ Jesus!
What they ARE extending is an ECLA styled pro-homosexual pro-abortion road to hell, and are part of the false church, the Ichabod Whore of Babylon church.
@rhywe You admit that homosexuals are not following God's will. How is it loving to allow them to remain outside of God's will. If you knew someone who was cheating on their spouse would you say something to them?? Or would that be judgmental? You might want to peruse 1st Corinthians 5. Those who are speaking out against the ELCA's actions are doing exactly what Paul talks about.
the elca and its predesesors never really stood on the word of god. the three synods that formed the elca (lca alc aelc) were flamely liberal synods that held to the historical critical method of biblical interpretation
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Understandable: decieved people who have become Satan's puppets REALLY hate the light of truth, because it convicts them of the ugliness of their sin.
But don't just take my word for it: There are a lot of scripture that explains why you (as a person in rebellion to God, enganging in willful sin) wouldn't like this video.
I am a member of the ELCA and love it. However, I was very disappointed by this decision. I attend a huge megachurch which is an ELCA member and we do not ordain sexually active homosexuals. Fortunately, my church has not given in and will not in the future. Some ELCA churches have chosen not to ordain sexually active gays and lesbians. Those churches that do are trying to be accepting which is good. There is a difference btwn a gay and a sexually active gay.
The ELCA is NOT the same thing as Lutheranism in general. The flamingly liberal synods that merged to form the abomination of the ELCA had long since rejected Christ in favor of the world and its vices. Embracing homosexuality in the pulpit is just the latest in a very long line of offenses against the Gospel committed by this anything but Lutheran - or Christian - denomination.
@Simplicimus1945 - agreed, that is why I pointed out repeatedly this issue is specific to ELCA, not all Lutherans - and that there are other Lutheran associations that adhere to the bible as Gods word.
Youre right, bound conscience had to do with the Lords Supper, not homosexuality! Bound conscience was about converting Catholics, wanting to take only the host in communion. There were no scriptures against it, like homosexuality! So, this was allowed, but the fight for both elements in communion became the norm very quickly. Of course this idea came from academia at some ELCA seminary, and most are so liberal they dont even believe in the virgin birth of Jesus! God Bless you too!
I agree! I have ELCA family and I can't convince them to leave, which concerns me. While I'm not God, and can't judge someone's ultimate outcome (nor would I), I can assert that impenitent sin is extremely dangerous for someone's salvation. It's really about one "becoming" their own God, and doing as they please. The heartbreaking thought for me is the ELCA "loving people straight to hell." God is just AND loving, that is why only Jesus could atone for us!
I agree with being tolerant of sinners. I'm LCMS, maybe clergy one day, and I don't think I would turn a homosexual away from church, but it wouldn't stop me from, in a loving manner, telling them they are not living in accordance with God's will. I fall short too! Repentance and an honest attempt to live a Christian lifestyle as proclaimed in the scriptures is the only way!
my church just voted to leave ELCA we needed 66% to leave we got 64% sad we have to leave but we will be starting a new church and we will keep gods word true.
This is a reason why I left Lutheranism. I refuse to be lumped with the damned. If a congregation votes to change the standards of a church, it one no longer, but a social club. These sodomites can't legitimize themselves. They defy God, and they're already condemned. I pray that they repent.
One important point to note is that this is ELCA - not all of Lutheranism: Thankfully there are still Lutheran sub denominations that stand firm for God's word against this heresy, though ELCA was the largest in US prior to this, I've heard they've lost a lot of members - that is good: it is indicative of God's people seperating from heresy.
Im in the same boat..but I was raised LCMS and I hate calling my self a lutheran! (Im really sorry if I offend any of you all..God bless!) Im going to convert to Catholic bc I feel as if they are the true church of God(This is my calling) What church did you convert to Trobinator? God bless you!
I chose Independent Baptist. I can't see why you'd go Catholic. Catholic is derived from "katholiekos," which means "universal". Universalism is what they teach. They went the route of appeasement to fill the churches, and made compromise after compromise on the true Word. Now the Catholic dogma is far from Christ's message, if it was ever close. I know there are some true believers in the ELCA, United Methodist, and Catholic churches, but what they're doing in those places is beyond me.
Baptist? My preacher was raised baptist and Ive been going to a non denominational church. So Im debateing staying there are converting.Good point. I just want the best church.
Be carefule, the LCMS still holds to scripture, the Catholics on the other hand have many traditions that go against scripture because they "know secrets passed down from the appostles." Scripture Alone, is the only true measure of God's will!
@Trobinator Just so you know, the ELCA does NOT define lutheranism. They, for all practical purposes, are NOT lutheran - they don't cling to Scripture alone and they don't understand the Confessions. How can they be Lutheran? You should check out the LCMS. we have our problems, but it's not over the inerrancy of scripture or being confessional, that's for sure.
Amen! I wish the ELCA would drop "Lutheran" from their name. Maybe "the Evangelical Church of Popular Culture." The ELCA is into "new doctrines," and to make themselves feel "Lutheran" they once in a while sprinkle a little Lutheran theoglogy on top, like the Theology of the Cross!
That is not true - love CAN be a sin when you twist it - then it becomes an imitation love, more closely related to lust and coveting than actual love: Satan is quite accomplished at doing that to mankind.
Their are MANY things you should not love.
What if you love your neighbors wife?
What if you love meth amphetamines?
What if you love to hurt people?
If you are led by a carnal heart instead of a spiritual heart you will be led to darkness.
the lady talking about her hair? Seriously? There's no way she was really that conceited about her hair- I"m sure there is a back story or something about the audience that video was intended for that we don't know.
cello, she is a conceited foul mouthed lesbian and per the directions as to leadership expressed in the holy bible with no business being in a leadership role in ANY Christian church.
I've viewed several of her Her videos, it was not out of context... that is how she is.
Your video is poorly put together- in good Michael Moor fashion you take snippets way out of context and use them to overly demonize particular speakers...
oh, and just to clarify- the 2/3 vote was required to decide whether or not to vote on a series of amendments... only a simple majority was needed for each of the amendments.... so the one that decided on whether homosexuals could serve as pastors was not passed by the prophetic 2/3 or 66.6 percent.
Cellopc82, It's no surprise you don't like this video, your page shows you are in rebellion to God's clear word against homosexuality & shows you to be either pro - or actually homosexual.
I'd give you the same advice as I gave Cinci: read Romans 1 - there are several other scriptures that clearly define fornication and homosexuality as sin, but this one alone should be enough to create repentance IF you are indeed Christian.
excuse me, but the three subscriptions I have were suggested by friends... I haven't watched any of them since I first signed up. Thing is, I'm never actually on the you tube world. Found my way to this video through links on face book and felt compelled to comment.
If it would make you feel like you've won a battle for the day, I'll gladly remove my subscriptions that I never even follow.
cello, I don't care one whit about pleasing or winning battle of a day for anyone but God. IF you are a Christian though you should remove wicked subscriptions - but do it for YOU, for your good relation with God - because the subscriptions you have ARE extremely carnal.
If you seek God, then seek HIM and HIS righteousness.
So what you are saying is that Jesus would reject a homosexual? Lookthis is not about your sexual preferences. You may not like the idea of there being gay people in the world but this is not about you. I dont think that being a homosexual minister is sinful but lets say it is. And lets put aside the fact that anyone can read a passage out of the bible and twist it around and fit it to believe what they want it to say.
Cinci, my perspective on this topic is scripturally based, if you have a problem with it you have a problem with God's word. I never said homosexuals couldn't be saved if they repented, surrendering to Jesus as Lord - but you'd better look at what the bible says about "I never knew you". As leadership in the church, yes, God holds leaders to higher standards - read the bible. Furthermore if someone knowingly is in willfull sin, they are placing their own soul peril. God's rules, get a bible.
Ok so in this scenario homosexuality is sinful. Arent we all sinful? Wasnt your grandfather who was a pastor sinful? What makes your grandfathers sin more or less sinful than a homosexual minister? I thought that all sinful persons were saved through grace and faith aloneright? So if that is true where is the line drawn?
Cinci, Here's a warning: stop spamming with the same repentitive ignorant & unscriptural crap or you will be blocked.
REPENTANCE OF SIN cincigirl, NEW CREATION.
Get an online bible and do a word search and find out what JESUS said on repentance.
Find out what it means to be a NEW CREATION WITH THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, this is a change NOT BY WORKS; BUT BY GRACE: you are missing a basic Christianity concept.
Also stop confusing biblical leadership standards with everyone.
@cinciigirl If the ELCA blesses a sinful act, the sinners will not know they are sinning. Jesus said to go and sin no more, not to keep sinning day after day. We are saved by grace and if we confess our sins we will be saved. If we say we have no sin and are living in sin, how sad, we shall not be saved. The ELCA is blessing a sin.
@cinciigirl We are all sinners yet there are 2 kinds of sinners. There are repentant sinners (the saved) and unrepentant sinners (the lost and on their way to Hell) Would you say that these in the ECLA are repenting of their sin? Quite the contrary; they are denying God's Word to continue to live in their sin!! How could anybody miss this????
@cinciigirl: The line is drawn between repentant sin versus unrepentant sin. Paul says, "how can someone who is dead to sin still live in it," after he asks the important question of "should we continue to sin so grace may abound?" God's law is in part meant to show us our sins, so we can repent and receive forgiveness. If there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness, period! Doesn't matter if it's homosexual behavior or an adulterous husband, or making money your false god.
@cinciigirl You "draw the line" by not allowing leaders to remain leaders if they engage in unrepentant sin. You certainly "draw the line by observing 1st Corinthians 5, as Mack Lee Green pointed out!
@lastdaysguitar That includes divorced remarried Christians too and Christians who have "bastards" out of wedlock. Divorced people who go ahead and do what they want to do and remarry outside of scripture are "living in sin". You're even worse because you're neither hot nor cold. So if the CORE thinks what the ELCA is doing is blasephemous they should also admonish their divorced members who are remarried which outnumber homosexuals and the bastard having ones too.
@lastdaysguitar Are you just as harsh on the 50% of marriages that end in divorce? Are you just as harsh on those who have the 3 out of 10 children born out of wedlock? Are you just as harsh on the 4 out of 10 American women who have children with different fathers in which some are from unscriptural unions? Homosexuality is wrong but he who is without sin cast the first stone. All sexual immoral behavior is sinful. I strongly suggest people examine their own lives and family members then rant.
Does god draw lines to who can be saved and who cant? I thought that the gospel was about the good newsthat we are saved through faith alone. I dont think that that discludes any one sinner. Jesus is about building bridges and we forget that.
Yes, God draws the lines on who can be saved and who can't - He is the author and finisher of our salvation.
There is not one word in the bible about Jesus "building bridges", why do you keep on with that tripe? It is a manmade concept. Your perspective is wrong - Jesus IS The way, but we HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM, and that means REPENTANCE OF SIN.
You do not know God, if you want to know Him: stop debating out of ignorance, stop believing the worlds lies and pick up a bible cincigirl.
Cincigirl, The problem is that God calls all of us to repent of sin, die to ourselves, follow Jesus. Those who do not become born again will not be saved... having unrepentant carnal sinners as church leaders is an abomination, whether it be adultery, homosexuality, pedophelia, bestiality, etc...
Read what Jesus says about repentance and those who claim salvation, but do not actually MAKE Him the Lord of their lives.
I wouldn't want to be such a person, let alone have such a person lead.
Born again? Once you are baptized...you are clothed in Christ forever.
So I guess you believe you are talking on God's behalf. You can claim who goes to hell and who doesn't. Shameful in my book. God has obviously left your heart.
The Good news is not about pointing fingers and condemning people to hell. God is Love. YOu need to read the Gospel again and quit making God out to be hateful and the bible to be full of hell and damnation. Gospel means good news and we are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. Homosexuality is not a sin. Who do you think made homosexuals? And I don't want to hear that It's a choice. Why would someone choose a lifestyle of knowing that they will be persecuted from their fellow man?
The bible says we are to share the gospel in the great commission - that is the WHOLE gospel cincigirl. Not just the love part, but also the judgement of a Righteous God who WILL have His vengance on sin.
Your mind is captive to a false doctrine of a Santa Clause in the sky. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God.
Judgement on Sin? But that does not include those who are saved through Grace through Jesus Christ. We are ALL sinners. In elementary terms...that is why God sent us Jesus Christ. We are saved....all sinners who believe. This is in the Gospel. I think that you get confused with Law and Gospel a lot. Since you are into the Law more so than the Gospel...maybe you should think about becoming Jewish. (That is not a put down to the Jews. It is just a point that they follow the Old Testament - LAW.)
Cinci, the REPENTANT sinner who follows Christ IS forgiven - the one who stays in his sin and rejects Jesus and the free gift of salvation He offers to indulge in continual unrepentant sin will face the judgement. Better read what Jesus Himself said about those who do not follow Him.
Unrepentant homosexuals WILL be dealt with, whether you think it's a sin or not doesn't matter one iota - it is not about YOU, it is about what God has said, & according to holy scriptures both fornication & homosexuality ARE sin.
Would you want an adulterer as a pastor? How about a child abuser? Is it okay to be an unrepentant sinner and be a pastor now? How about a pastor that robs from the till?
What you describe isn't Christianity - it is a lukewarm repentless cult social club.
I hear you TTODD245, we must speak the truth in love and our role is to love, not to condemn. But we must expose error and do so prayerfully. The challenge is the need to be urgent and loving. I quoted Jude 7 because our President just took an amazing stand with the homosexual community, clergy who claim to represent God also make the same stand. We must blow the trumpet and give it a certain sound. We are living in the very hour of God's judgment and we have to wake the people up. God help us.
I share your compassion for this tragedy and those caught in the midst of it. I pray that as many as are willing will take hold of God's hand and avoid such apostacy. From our churches and even the highest office in our land, we have given ourselves over to immorality. Jude 7 says: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Flee from Babylon...the churches have become apostates. start home churches...real christians will be persecuted. Who do you think will enforce the mark of the beast. It is the apostate churches.
I am a sinner and I know it but this is so scary to watch. They are so BOLD in their disrespect of the Word. I know I'm not perfect and I know people would say that I'm a hypocrite for saying that what they are doing is wrong, but at least I freely ADMIT that I'm a sinner and ask God for forgiveness!
11The Pharisee stood and prayed saying, God, I thank You, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
13And the publican, standing far off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for he that exalts himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.
Very insightful comment, and you've summerized very truthfully a main point of the video:
that in arrogance and self pride the homosexual community has forsaken God's revealed word of scripture, and instead have set up their own PC religion with devilish doctrines - a twisted imitation ...as fortold in scriptural prophecy.
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I am sorry you cannot understand. Jesus died not only for you, but also for folks like Ellen and Obama. I have no political agenda. Not once have I implied that homosexuality is NOT a sin - of course it is -- but we cannot bring these people to Christ with this attitude of condemnation. That battle belongs to the Lord, and praise God we already know who wins! Our job is to "love justice, do mercy, and walk humbly with our God." There's enough to do here without trying to do God's job.
TTO - Jesus dies for everybody NOT so that they can continue in sin, but thru Him experience true repentance & holiness.
If you do not teach repentance of sin you do not preach the gospel of Christ.
If you'll read the bible you'll see thousands of scriptures that condemn & warn of sin, demanding repentance.
We are called to admonish, and to stand against false doctrines... what you consider a "better way" is only a false gospel that denies the reality of a righteous judge.
Regarding doing God's job: I'm only serving in obediance to God.
It is YOU who seek to do God's job by replacing His perfect gospel message with an ACLU/homo friendy "make no waves" false doctrine that will damn their souls to hell.
You might recall God loved Jacob, but Esau He hated - God is Love, AND therefore God does also hate.
"Love the sinner hate the sin" is NOT in the bible.
While we were yet sinners He died for us, BUT He expects and demands REPENTANCE of sin!
TTO You've confessed by your own admission that homosexuality IS sin.
Given that FACT: Do you also suggest ordination of adulterers or out of wedlock fornicating pastors? Should we ordain drug addicts/get drunk hang out in bars every day? What about ordaining known child or spousal abusers?
Should we ordain thieves? Con artists?
Or would you stop at "only" ordaning known sins of homosexuality?
I hope you get my point:
your logic is flawed. Homo's need repentance NOT ordination!
I think where TTO was coming from is Romans 2:1-4, culminating in God's goodness leading us to repentance.
I'm absolutely not advocating for gay pastors, but homosexuals aren't the only ones who need to repent.
Look at the list of sins in Rom. 1:29-32 which God judges in Rom. 2:1-4. How many Christians are without covetousness, envy, debate, deceit, malignity; gossip,
Gods Judgment of Sin (Romans 2:1-5a) 1 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. 2 And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. 3 Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid Gods judgment when you do the same things?
4 Dont you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Cant you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin? 5 But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself.
Dowe - I agree homosexuals arent the only ones that need to repent, but they ARE dangerous to society, thanks to their decades of a structured & satanic agenda to force acceptance of sin in culture.
In that they have accomplished through their manipulation/twisting of law a uniquely evil situation where their sin-filled group is set up as a "protected class" that now seeks to taint everything it touches. They MUST recruit to stay alive, because they cannot reproduce,so they replicate!
Yeah, TTO is a bible revisionist who picks and chooses verses to twist to his sin-filled state rather than reading all of revealed scripture - that is why he is in error... it's too bad he didn't read a bit further, to Romans 2:8-9 which clearly describes the pride filled gay community, and their coming judgement.
Of course, you can tell them "don't touch the stove - it's hot!", but being ignorant captives to sin, they will just walk away with burned hands, and yell at you for "judging" them.
klokker said: "Satan's tempation in the garden was "to be like God, knowing good from evil". Watch the arrogance."
The arrogance is from those who would put their own perceptions & knowledge above God's word - EVERY scripture in regards to homosexuality condems it utterly, yet you have the ARROGANCE to say "many believe Jesus would welcome this change"
That viewpoint is absurd for a Christian.
But the bible says in the last days men would be decieved and call good "evil" and evil "good"...
"Legalistic" is a term often used pathetically & robotically by sinners as a false defense to remain in sin. BUT it is not legalistic to know that homosexuality IS deadly sin... to know this is simply being accurate to the purport of holy scripture.
No one in ANY lifestyle of sexual sin should be ordained in the church: homo, pedo, beastiality, porno, etc... they are all demonic. The bible makes it clear the character attributes required... and it isn't the Rosy ODonnel Richard Simmons types!
Romans 3:21-22.."...there is NO DIFFERENCE..." Righteousness from God comes through FAITH in Jesus Christ to ALL who BELIEVE!! if we still live according to Leviticus we still are not allowed to eat shrimp or scallops (Lev. 11:12)...the list goes on and on. HOW can we ever hope to win these people to Christ with this kind of attitude?? Let go and give our omnipotent God the power to do His work through the Holy Spirit. This attitude has got to stop. We can only be examples through love.
TTO does your attitude extend to encouraging the continuance of sinful acts for pedophiles? People who cheat on their spouses? Participants in beastiality?
Homosexuality IS sexual sin.
But of course your page has obama and ellen degenrate... so your position is clearly pro gay anti God
PS: you also in your deception misrepresent the scriptures.
YES people can come out of any sin and come to Christ.
NO, they cannot continue in that sin and stay in Christ!
Rom 3:20-"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law, we become concsious of sin." ie, we see that we are so sinful we cannot save ourselves. That is why, Rom 3:21-22-"But now a righteousness from God,apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets [ie the OT] testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Christ Jesus to all who believe. ...
...There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." But read on.. Rom 6:1-"What shall we say then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" Quite often when Jesus healed someone, He said, "Go and sin no more."
Oh, I made my last comment way too soon; before I saw that hideous lesbian talking about her man-ish hair! She is so worldly it makes me nauseous! I have never come across a real man or woman of God who acted so ridiculous as she has. I was embarrassed for her for acting like such an idiot!
What the ppl in this video are saying is making me absolutely sick!! How can these pastors act like homosexuality is ok? Evil, evil, evil!!! And they will go to hell for their stupidity & that's what is so sad. And, drag others (not pastors) who trust them with 'em!!
What's wrong with those people?? Don't they read the Bible??!!!!! We as christians know for a fact that it was NO coincedence that God sent that tornado!!!
Hmm, Jesus' words are a "theory?"...So why didn't Jesus say all Scripture is inspired by God? There must have been a reason why He did not specifically bring this up. Scripture during Jesus' time contradict
who is that big ugly lesbian mule, bull dyke that goes on and on about her hair. She's supposed to be leading flocks of people and the only thing she can think about is her hair?!?!?!?!?!?!
shmunski101 2 weeks ago
I think the 666 would be a slight indication, and for that I say OUCH!! Let's get back to God's word folks.
bodom71 2 months ago
Thank you for an honest evaluation of the facts! NOT ALL Lutherans agree with this terrible decision! In fact, most do NOT!! And we heartily welcome them at the LCMS,as so does the WELS.Thank you for an honest portrayal of a Church body(discluding the liberal ELCA synod, struggling from within,by the way) of devout, Biblical Lutherans who have no kinship with these lies that twist God's Word! Gays searching for the Saviour are welcome in the congregation---but are not as Pastors!Thanks,dear sir!
womanwonder10 3 months ago
The "largest" denomination may be losing many to WELS and LCMS!!! I know many are more than considering the move. The other 2 synods will happily accept these more conservative, Biblical Lutherans!
womanwonder10 3 months ago
It is amazing to me the level of lying deception that homosexuals are under: they have no understanding of God's word, ignore His clear word against homosexuality and believe all hate (including hatred of evil) is wrong. This is a multiplicity of grave heresies.
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
Why all this hate? Why this apparent rejection of New Testament for Old Testament?
Jackrabbitspecial70 5 months ago
@Jackrabbitspecial70 Your comment shows:
A) you lie - there is no hate here except for the righteous hatred of evil sexual corruption in the church.
B) you are ignorant and heretical: there is no confliction in the revealed scriptures of God's divine word
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
@Jackrabbitspecial70 There is no conflict regarding old and new testament, God is not divided against Himself, and homosexuality is STILL A SIN: by the way - last time I checked: Romans chapter 1 (which condemns the homosexual) was in the NEW testament.
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
@Jackrabbitspecial70
A) Hatred of evil is not bad - God Himself hates evil, his anger burns daily against the wicked: there is no unrighteous hatred here, only righteous hatred against foul sexual perversions attacking the church. B) you are ignorant & heretical: there is no confliction in the revealed scriptures of God's divine word - a house divided cannot stand, and regardless of that truth: last time I checked - Romans Chapter 1 (which in no uncertain terms curses homosexuality) is NT!!
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
@Jackrabbitspecial70 Why all these lies? Why this apparent rejection of New Testament AND Old Testament?
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
There have been gay Pastors, but they have had to serve without being open about who they are. Congregations call Pastors so they should decide. You are confusing Biblical authority with church tradition.
oriolesfan61 5 months ago
@oriolesfan61 No, I'm not the one who is confused, by your own words ("biblical AUTHORITY") you confirm that ANY church that calls itself Christian is under the guidance authority of Holy Scripture.
What is against scripture is by definition heretical & evil - having pastor who is a REPENTANT sinner, whether it be homosexuality, drinking, whatever is nothing new.... however ENDORSING sin IS new, & IS evil.
The church "tradition" of excluding unregenerate sinners from the clergy is scriptural.
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
@oriolesfan61 I've investigated your youtube channel, you are one very confused & worldly individual: No one who posts wiccain withcraft chant videos like you do on your channel is a friend of the church!
With your dispersment of witchcraft you have shown yourself to be the enemy of God and your statements about the church are therefore anathema.
You are blocked from this discussion.
lastdaysguitar 5 months ago
Another hateful sinning christian being judgemental towards gays. "Judge not lest ye be judged". So many people pick their own words out of leviticus. I hope God changes your heart before you go to hell.
sweetbasil2010 6 months ago
@sweetbasil2010 And another heretical Harold Camping cultist chimes in... Hey liar: It isn't just OT where homosexuality is clearly defined as an abomination to the Lord, it's all across the bible! If you can read Romans chapter one and not see that homosexuals are cursed then you are indeed blind!
lastdaysguitar 6 months ago
@sweetbasil2010
1 Corinthians 5:12 = It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.
Swackers90 4 weeks ago
@Swackers90 1st Corinthians 5:12 (NKJV)- For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[a]
lastdaysguitar 4 weeks ago
Another clueless christian who does not understand bible verses. Forget about all abominations except man lying with man as womankind, what the heck, those other abominations don't matter LOL BIGOT! HERETIC!!
smurfboywv 6 months ago
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has every right to set its own policies based on its study and understanding of the Bible and Christian teachings. If people do not like those policies, then, they can go to another church.
On the other hand, those who attracted by the open-mindedness, tolerance and Christian love of the ELCA will gravitate toward it. That is one of the beauties of America. People can find the church that matches their personal beliefs and needs.
RCSVirginia 7 months ago
@RCSVirginia "People can find the church that matches their personal beliefs and needs."
That is called "idolatry": making a god in your own image.
That is sin.
There is One true God, and it is NOT the god of man's making!
ELCA has NO right to use the name Lutheran, and then to defy EVERY TENANT of what Martin Luther taught!!!
The ELCA is Ichabod and has become the twisting of Satan.
lastdaysguitar 7 months ago
@lastdaysguitar Total and utter bullshit, christians will do anything they can to get the rest of the world to hate gay people, you are a pathetic excuse for a man.
smurfboywv 6 months ago
@smurfboywv Scriptures don't lie, but you do. I don't hate homosexuals. I am concerned about eternal spirits being damned to hell for eternity because of unrepentant sexual sin!
Your swearing, lies, & insults are EXACTLY what Jesus said would happen when gospel is shared with those who are perishing.
100,000,000 years from now when you are still burning in hell, not a moment closer to it ending than when you arrived: you'll remember your words & despair that you didn't heed the warnings.
lastdaysguitar 6 months ago
@RCSVirginia As for Christian love - true love CHASTISES sin!!!
lastdaysguitar 7 months ago
@RCSVirginia It's interesting that when I posted what holy scriptures say about homosexuality on RCSVirginias page I was blocked & the scriptures where deleted.
When someone hides from the light of scripture like a cockroach hides from the light, it only shows whose camp they are in.
RCSVirginia has no interest in submitting to God's authority, only in defending the SIN of homosexuality.
You will die in your perversion unless you CONFESS, REPENT in JESUS CHRIST"S MIGHTY NAME.
lastdaysguitar 7 months ago
The point of this video is that LEADERSHIP in church are ORDAINED to a position of spiritual trust and HAVE accountability to man and God, therefore they should live an exemplary life and NOT be in perennial bondage to ANY SIN, certainly not a sexual sin - which (per the bible) is more serious as it is sin against ones own body.
The discussion of "other sins" is a digression from the true topic at hand.
Adulterers are also unfit, as homosexuals for appointment of ordination to the clergy.
lastdaysguitar 7 months ago
GOD doesn't allow remarriage for divorced people because of being of "unequally yoked". If you made a mistake outside of the Biblical grounds of divorce: adultery, death of spouse, and abandonment by the Unbeliever. Oh well. You don't get a pass.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@imhotep1 And yet right there you admit there is biblical grounds for divorce. Such can not be said for homosexuality under any circumstances. Thats why the comparison is invalid. And BTW, a faithful spouse married with someone who thinks they can be abusive or adulterous constitutes being "unequally yoked" as you would have one being faithful to the marriage vows made before God, and another one violating them. It's not as simple as a believer living with an unbeliever.
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@imhotep1 I am done with this. You've made up your mind and that's that. Whatever. I am not denying the church has dropped the ball or marriage and divorce. We have. That being said. Paralelling homosexuality with marriage and divorce is an invalid parallel. That's all I am saying. I've made my case. I am done. God bless you.
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
Adultery is Biblical grounds for divorce.
imhotep1 7 months ago
The number one cause of divorce in America is MONEY. If 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, divorced Christians outnumber all these other "heretics". I don't agree with homosexuality, but neither do I agree with divorced people getting a pass. This focus on homosexuality is taking us away from "keeping our eyes on the sparrow". We should be admonising all our sins (cold and strict) or treating everyone with mercy (hot and compassionate).
imhotep1 7 months ago
Good public service video. It's really a big problem when a church doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Every other "church" opinion about all issues has the shadow of doubt over it now. It represents a complete loss of credibility as a witness. Keep up the good work informing us. Thanks again.
goodsportsmanship1 9 months ago
so sad..
dzealots 11 months ago
Agreed.
Sexual immorality is not to be tolerated within the congregtion, we are called by command of scripture to seperate from those who proudly/unrepentantly engage in such acts, that is why I made this video.
The corrupted evil entity known as ELCA (which is proudly and stupidly marching into to hell), and God's people who are positioned as members of the ELCA (those who have been given by God and obey God by the power of Jesus Christ) must become seperate.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@lastdaysguitar Thanks for the response. One minor critique that I have or your video is that on a couple of occasions you come across as suggesting that the ELCA encompasses all Lutherans, and as I am sure you are aware that is not the case. There are still many good Lutheran church-bodies which are standing firmly on God's Word; LCMS, WELS, LCMC, NALC, TAALC to name a few. The ELCA is the largest by far, but not the only ones.
MackLeeGreen 1 year ago
@MackLeeGreen You are the first person to suggest that I make no distinction, actually I've had several non-ELCA Lutheren pastors thank me for making clear distinctions between ELCA's heresy and the genuine Lutheren denominational faith. Please point out sections (start/stop times) where the statements seem to suggest otherwise, I'll be glad to review your concerns - if I agree I'll add text to clarify thanks.
It is agreed that many spirit filled Lutheren churches exist - I thank God for that!
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@lastdaysguitar In looking at it again I notice that you do introduce the ELCA as the largest Lutheran church-body. I didn't catch that the first time, sorry. That said, ar around 1:45-53 you say "Let's take a look at what happened to the Lutheran church" and then describe it as a church that once stood proudly on the Word of God. That to me sounded like you were referring to Lutheranism in general, partly because I would question if the ELCA ever stood proudly on the Word of God. Cont'd
MackLeeGreen 1 year ago
@lastdaysguitar Ar 6:47 you refer to the ELCA as the Lutheran church in America. Again that made it sound to me as if you were referring to all Lutherans, at least in America. I know that some non-Lutherans have assumed that the ELCA is representative of all Lutherans. Also keep in mind that the ELCA is trying to frame it in that way also. They want people to think they are the only Lutherans. As it is is probably fine except that you could maybe name some of the other Lutheran church-bodies.
MackLeeGreen 1 year ago
@MackLeeGreen I put a clarification in around 6:47... as to the other comment, I'm going to leave that as is: at one time ELCA was considered among Lutherans as a legitamite Lutheran denomination - however that was many years and many church funded (re: their health plan & rules for employees) abortions ago!
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@MackLeeGreen You might want to check with those Lutheran bodies again because I know many of them waiver on issues of divorce and remarriage. Like Jesus told Mary Magdalene "Go and sin no more". He didn't say keep doing what you're doing or what you did was right. HE DID NOT CONDONE HER SINNING. I must say that because divorced Christians always use that verse in regards to forgiveness thinking it permits them to sin again by stubbornly giving into their flesh to remarry.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@imhotep1 When did I suggest that Jesus condoned anyone's sin. And of course none of those church-bodies are perfect. Most of them would concede that they have made mistakes when it comes to divorce and re-marriage. But I challenge you to find a church-body that hasn't. For the most part, in those church-bodies when a pastor gets a divorce they would be expected to resign, and maybe even be removed. Of course there are exceptions, but for the most part divorced is not tolerated among clergy...
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@imhotep1 What would you have them do beyond that oustide clergy?? Should they excommunicate people who divorce?? From my experiences most divorces in the church involve a strong betrayal of trust through adultery, abuse etc. There is rarely a couple who says "We just don't want to be married anymore." That doesn't justify it of course. But you can acknowledge the complexities of marriage and divorce that sometimes mean divorce might be the "lesser of two evils" and still call divorce a sin.
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@MackLeeGreen It was written 1 Corinthians 6: 18 "Expel the sexually immoral." I grew up in the Lutheran church and I know how strict and cold they were to divorced Christians. You were not allowed to hold a position in church, nor teach Bible study, hold an influential job such as teacher, police officer, or doctor. They were real strict and harsh back then. That's why Jesus said You're even worse because you're neither Hot(Compassionate) nor Cold(Strict). The ELCA is being hot.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@imhotep1 The ELCA is being hot?? Are you kidding me?? They are the very definition of lukewarm. The "hot" and "cold" that Revelation 3 speaks of refers to repentance (cold) and those who have been sanctified by the Spirit (hot). It's not an either or. Faithful church-bodies are both cold and hot. Every one of those church-bodies I referred to would fit that category. You may have grown up Lutheran, but I am Lutheran and I have spent a great deal of time studying the different Lutheran denoms
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@imhotep1 And BTW I would submit that some of those church-bodies probably still don't allow divorced people to hold leadership positions, at least not until they have gone through confession and absolution. And 1st Cor 6:18 refers to the unrepentant. You mentioned the passage where Jesus says to Mary Magdalene, go forth and sin no more. By your logic, Jesus should have expelled her. But He didn't because she was repentant.
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@MackLeeGreen The bottom line is that he did not CONDONE her sin and she did not remarry another. Jesus also said in Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, remove that plank from your own eye..." If we are to condemn homosexuality harshly (cold and strict), we need to condemn divorce and remarriage outside Scripture and having a child out of wedlock just as harshly (cold and strict). A divorced person who gives into the flesh by remarriage outside adultery, death, and unbeliever leaving is still sinning.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@imhotep1 So a woman constantly being abused by her unfaithful husband should stay in that marriage even if it ends up costing her her life. This comparison with divorce does not hold water. The bible does say divorce is a sin. But it also says we are not to be unequally yoked. And the fact is, divorce certificates were permitted in some cases. There is never any such allowances for homosexuality. Divorce should never be affirmed. But if the dissoolution of a marriage is going to save lives..
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
@MackLeeGreen GOD admonished those who were divorcing for any reason and that's why scripture is firm in both the old and new testament. Even if you are not equally yoked and you get a divorce you cannot get remarried. Back in the old days, you had to remain unmarrried if you were divorced outside of scripture. A woman was not likely to be abused in Biblical times due to the tribalism of the community. You were born, lived, and died around the same people who would hold you acccountable.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@imhotep1 Are you kidding me?? Women were one notch above livestock. They were abused in ways that none of us could probably fathom. Also back then, the man was the only one who could get a divorce. Today it's mutual. What about in the case of a couple where one spouse is doing everything they can to save the marriage, while the other has pretty much given up on the marriage?? Should the one doing due diligence stay married to someone who has already abandoned any pretense or faithfulness.
MackLeeGreen 7 months ago
You are clearly confused about the difference between Law and Gospel.
rhywe 1 year ago
@rhywe No confusion here, that'd be on your end.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
Dude, You have no idea what you are talking about. You and everyone like you remind me of the old testement leaders of the synogogs, who despised what Jesus Christ stood for because he eccepted outcast and broke bread with tax collectors and sinners. You should be proud of the ELCA exending the love and grace of Jesus Christ to all. Yes, these people are sinners and are not following God's will. But niether are you by pointing out their flaws.
rhywe 1 year ago
@rhywe Apparently you've never read the scriptures - as I DO know what a Christian's response is supoosed to be: we are told to confront sin in love and truth, with the power of the Gospel, which is what I did.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@rhywe The ELCA Ichabod, and is NOT extending the love of God in Christ Jesus!
What they ARE extending is an ECLA styled pro-homosexual pro-abortion road to hell, and are part of the false church, the Ichabod Whore of Babylon church.
You cannot serve two masters.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@rhywe You admit that homosexuals are not following God's will. How is it loving to allow them to remain outside of God's will. If you knew someone who was cheating on their spouse would you say something to them?? Or would that be judgmental? You might want to peruse 1st Corinthians 5. Those who are speaking out against the ELCA's actions are doing exactly what Paul talks about.
MackLeeGreen 1 year ago
the elca and its predesesors never really stood on the word of god. the three synods that formed the elca (lca alc aelc) were flamely liberal synods that held to the historical critical method of biblical interpretation
zeb1912 1 year ago
We, among many others in IA, SD, NB, MN, are leaving ELCA. Vote to leave was 95%.
difa2ol 1 year ago
@difa2ol Congratulations difa2ol on staying faithful to God. May he continue to bless you!
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
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ExposeTheAgenda 1 year ago
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i down't like the video im gay here i love my god
gaycat69 1 year ago
i down't like the video im gay here
gaycat69 1 year ago
@gaycat69
Understandable: decieved people who have become Satan's puppets REALLY hate the light of truth, because it convicts them of the ugliness of their sin.
But don't just take my word for it: There are a lot of scripture that explains why you (as a person in rebellion to God, enganging in willful sin) wouldn't like this video.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
I am a member of the ELCA and love it. However, I was very disappointed by this decision. I attend a huge megachurch which is an ELCA member and we do not ordain sexually active homosexuals. Fortunately, my church has not given in and will not in the future. Some ELCA churches have chosen not to ordain sexually active gays and lesbians. Those churches that do are trying to be accepting which is good. There is a difference btwn a gay and a sexually active gay.
orangutan141 1 year ago
The ELCA is NOT the same thing as Lutheranism in general. The flamingly liberal synods that merged to form the abomination of the ELCA had long since rejected Christ in favor of the world and its vices. Embracing homosexuality in the pulpit is just the latest in a very long line of offenses against the Gospel committed by this anything but Lutheran - or Christian - denomination.
Simplicimus1945 1 year ago
@Simplicimus1945 - agreed, that is why I pointed out repeatedly this issue is specific to ELCA, not all Lutherans - and that there are other Lutheran associations that adhere to the bible as Gods word.
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
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@lastdaysguitar DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
grfboro81 1 year ago
Youre right, bound conscience had to do with the Lords Supper, not homosexuality! Bound conscience was about converting Catholics, wanting to take only the host in communion. There were no scriptures against it, like homosexuality! So, this was allowed, but the fight for both elements in communion became the norm very quickly. Of course this idea came from academia at some ELCA seminary, and most are so liberal they dont even believe in the virgin birth of Jesus! God Bless you too!
pilot4321 2 years ago 2
I agree! I have ELCA family and I can't convince them to leave, which concerns me. While I'm not God, and can't judge someone's ultimate outcome (nor would I), I can assert that impenitent sin is extremely dangerous for someone's salvation. It's really about one "becoming" their own God, and doing as they please. The heartbreaking thought for me is the ELCA "loving people straight to hell." God is just AND loving, that is why only Jesus could atone for us!
pilot4321 2 years ago
I agree with being tolerant of sinners. I'm LCMS, maybe clergy one day, and I don't think I would turn a homosexual away from church, but it wouldn't stop me from, in a loving manner, telling them they are not living in accordance with God's will. I fall short too! Repentance and an honest attempt to live a Christian lifestyle as proclaimed in the scriptures is the only way!
pilot4321 2 years ago
my church just voted to leave ELCA we needed 66% to leave we got 64% sad we have to leave but we will be starting a new church and we will keep gods word true.
tylermckeny 2 years ago
@tylermckeny
I'm praying for you Tyler - and appreciate you boldness in the face of the enemy: staying true to God's word is the right thing to do.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Amen, I'm praying for you. You are doing God's will!
pilot4321 2 years ago
The church is falling apart political correctness, secularism and liberalism are seeping in slowly.
1broken21 2 years ago 2
@1broken21
Agreed, this is why God's servants need to be vocal at this time and stand up and fight the good fight of faith.
As the days get darker, our light in Christ must shine more brightly.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
This is a reason why I left Lutheranism. I refuse to be lumped with the damned. If a congregation votes to change the standards of a church, it one no longer, but a social club. These sodomites can't legitimize themselves. They defy God, and they're already condemned. I pray that they repent.
Trobinator 2 years ago 3
@Trobinator
Keep praying my friend.
One important point to note is that this is ELCA - not all of Lutheranism: Thankfully there are still Lutheran sub denominations that stand firm for God's word against this heresy, though ELCA was the largest in US prior to this, I've heard they've lost a lot of members - that is good: it is indicative of God's people seperating from heresy.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Im in the same boat..but I was raised LCMS and I hate calling my self a lutheran! (Im really sorry if I offend any of you all..God bless!) Im going to convert to Catholic bc I feel as if they are the true church of God(This is my calling) What church did you convert to Trobinator? God bless you!
LydiaBlair 2 years ago
I chose Independent Baptist. I can't see why you'd go Catholic. Catholic is derived from "katholiekos," which means "universal". Universalism is what they teach. They went the route of appeasement to fill the churches, and made compromise after compromise on the true Word. Now the Catholic dogma is far from Christ's message, if it was ever close. I know there are some true believers in the ELCA, United Methodist, and Catholic churches, but what they're doing in those places is beyond me.
Trobinator 2 years ago
Baptist? My preacher was raised baptist and Ive been going to a non denominational church. So Im debateing staying there are converting.Good point. I just want the best church.
LydiaBlair 2 years ago
@LydiaBlair LCMS!! You need to look into it if you're able.
petrakid 2 years ago
@LydiaBlair yeah why would you go Catholic? The theology is dead wrong? Why worship God with bad theology?
petrakid 2 years ago
Be carefule, the LCMS still holds to scripture, the Catholics on the other hand have many traditions that go against scripture because they "know secrets passed down from the appostles." Scripture Alone, is the only true measure of God's will!
pilot4321 2 years ago
@Trobinator Just so you know, the ELCA does NOT define lutheranism. They, for all practical purposes, are NOT lutheran - they don't cling to Scripture alone and they don't understand the Confessions. How can they be Lutheran? You should check out the LCMS. we have our problems, but it's not over the inerrancy of scripture or being confessional, that's for sure.
petrakid 2 years ago
Amen! I wish the ELCA would drop "Lutheran" from their name. Maybe "the Evangelical Church of Popular Culture." The ELCA is into "new doctrines," and to make themselves feel "Lutheran" they once in a while sprinkle a little Lutheran theoglogy on top, like the Theology of the Cross!
pilot4321 2 years ago
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i believe that love is love nomatter what because love is no sin.
♀+♀=♥
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fellvarg 2 years ago
That is not true - love CAN be a sin when you twist it - then it becomes an imitation love, more closely related to lust and coveting than actual love: Satan is quite accomplished at doing that to mankind.
Their are MANY things you should not love.
What if you love your neighbors wife?
What if you love meth amphetamines?
What if you love to hurt people?
If you are led by a carnal heart instead of a spiritual heart you will be led to darkness.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
We are praying for you - stay well & bless you!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
NO snippets where taken out of context.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
the lady talking about her hair? Seriously? There's no way she was really that conceited about her hair- I"m sure there is a back story or something about the audience that video was intended for that we don't know.
cellopc82 2 years ago
cello, she is a conceited foul mouthed lesbian and per the directions as to leadership expressed in the holy bible with no business being in a leadership role in ANY Christian church.
I've viewed several of her Her videos, it was not out of context... that is how she is.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
PS: as to taking out of context that would be the LESBIAN, who claimed God sent the tornado to keep them focused on their work.
What rubbish... who focuses on work when a tornado is outside?
Answer: no one.
That tornado was clearly an intentional distraction and it was sent as a warning by God.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Your video is poorly put together- in good Michael Moor fashion you take snippets way out of context and use them to overly demonize particular speakers...
oh, and just to clarify- the 2/3 vote was required to decide whether or not to vote on a series of amendments... only a simple majority was needed for each of the amendments.... so the one that decided on whether homosexuals could serve as pastors was not passed by the prophetic 2/3 or 66.6 percent.
cellopc82 2 years ago
Cellopc82, It's no surprise you don't like this video, your page shows you are in rebellion to God's clear word against homosexuality & shows you to be either pro - or actually homosexual.
I'd give you the same advice as I gave Cinci: read Romans 1 - there are several other scriptures that clearly define fornication and homosexuality as sin, but this one alone should be enough to create repentance IF you are indeed Christian.
If you are not Christian, why are you here?
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
ps- not sure how my page showed I was pro homosexual... inappropriate videos yes, but neither homo nor hetero sexual... just all around inappropriate.
oh and ps I've read Romans... and not just chapter one.
cellopc82 2 years ago
cello,
Good to hear, keep reading.
Let's clear this up then if my research on your wicked subs was in error as to your actual mindset... are you pro-homosexual?
Are you a homosexual?
Yes or No answers please.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
well a simple yes or no would not do as you have asked two questions.
No I am not homosexual... and I would personally say that I am not "pro" homosexual... but you might dub me as such.
cellopc82 2 years ago
oops... you did say answerS... sorry- didn't catch the s... I hereby retract the first line of my response
cellopc82 2 years ago
cello, thank you for answering - If you are not homosexual or pro-homosexual...
Then what is your specific disagreement with the position that the holy scriptures clearly define homosexuality AS shameful and unnatural sexual sin?
Are you a Christian?
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
cellopc82 You page is a travestry of carnality, you should repent and follow Jesus Christ.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
travestry of carnality eh.
excuse me, but the three subscriptions I have were suggested by friends... I haven't watched any of them since I first signed up. Thing is, I'm never actually on the you tube world. Found my way to this video through links on face book and felt compelled to comment.
If it would make you feel like you've won a battle for the day, I'll gladly remove my subscriptions that I never even follow.
cellopc82 2 years ago
cello, I don't care one whit about pleasing or winning battle of a day for anyone but God. IF you are a Christian though you should remove wicked subscriptions - but do it for YOU, for your good relation with God - because the subscriptions you have ARE extremely carnal.
If you seek God, then seek HIM and HIS righteousness.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Cinci, please read Romans 1
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Cinci, can a homosexual be saved? Absolutely, yes: but they must repent.
Jesus insists that we resist sin, flee from it, REPENT.
Forgiveness IS true for those who REPENT of sin.
Note that even the scripture you cite mentions repentance: "And this is what some of you USED to be."
You seriously need to understand the need for repentance, He died while we were yet sinners, but He did this so we would NOT STAY BOUND to sin!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
The ELCA is now the Devils church.
nytmstr 2 years ago
So what you are saying is that Jesus would reject a homosexual? Lookthis is not about your sexual preferences. You may not like the idea of there being gay people in the world but this is not about you. I dont think that being a homosexual minister is sinful but lets say it is. And lets put aside the fact that anyone can read a passage out of the bible and twist it around and fit it to believe what they want it to say.
cinciigirl 2 years ago
Cinci, my perspective on this topic is scripturally based, if you have a problem with it you have a problem with God's word. I never said homosexuals couldn't be saved if they repented, surrendering to Jesus as Lord - but you'd better look at what the bible says about "I never knew you". As leadership in the church, yes, God holds leaders to higher standards - read the bible. Furthermore if someone knowingly is in willfull sin, they are placing their own soul peril. God's rules, get a bible.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
cinci, one more repetitive/spam post and you will be blocked.
You disagree with the bible. We get that.
Holy scriptures are not as important to you as your own opinions, we get that.
You've put the god of your own mind ahead of the God of holy scriptures, making an idol in violation of 1st commandment. We get that.
Know go away and get a bible and learn God's word and will on topics.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Ok so in this scenario homosexuality is sinful. Arent we all sinful? Wasnt your grandfather who was a pastor sinful? What makes your grandfathers sin more or less sinful than a homosexual minister? I thought that all sinful persons were saved through grace and faith aloneright? So if that is true where is the line drawn?
cinciigirl 2 years ago 4
Cinci, Here's a warning: stop spamming with the same repentitive ignorant & unscriptural crap or you will be blocked.
REPENTANCE OF SIN cincigirl, NEW CREATION.
Get an online bible and do a word search and find out what JESUS said on repentance.
Find out what it means to be a NEW CREATION WITH THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BORN AGAIN BELIEVER, this is a change NOT BY WORKS; BUT BY GRACE: you are missing a basic Christianity concept.
Also stop confusing biblical leadership standards with everyone.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
@cinciigirl If the ELCA blesses a sinful act, the sinners will not know they are sinning. Jesus said to go and sin no more, not to keep sinning day after day. We are saved by grace and if we confess our sins we will be saved. If we say we have no sin and are living in sin, how sad, we shall not be saved. The ELCA is blessing a sin.
AmyRN59 1 year ago
@cinciigirl We are all sinners yet there are 2 kinds of sinners. There are repentant sinners (the saved) and unrepentant sinners (the lost and on their way to Hell) Would you say that these in the ECLA are repenting of their sin? Quite the contrary; they are denying God's Word to continue to live in their sin!! How could anybody miss this????
chefjimmie1 1 year ago
@cinciigirl: The line is drawn between repentant sin versus unrepentant sin. Paul says, "how can someone who is dead to sin still live in it," after he asks the important question of "should we continue to sin so grace may abound?" God's law is in part meant to show us our sins, so we can repent and receive forgiveness. If there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness, period! Doesn't matter if it's homosexual behavior or an adulterous husband, or making money your false god.
pilot4321 1 year ago
@cinciigirl You "draw the line" by not allowing leaders to remain leaders if they engage in unrepentant sin. You certainly "draw the line by observing 1st Corinthians 5, as Mack Lee Green pointed out!
lastdaysguitar 1 year ago
@lastdaysguitar That includes divorced remarried Christians too and Christians who have "bastards" out of wedlock. Divorced people who go ahead and do what they want to do and remarry outside of scripture are "living in sin". You're even worse because you're neither hot nor cold. So if the CORE thinks what the ELCA is doing is blasephemous they should also admonish their divorced members who are remarried which outnumber homosexuals and the bastard having ones too.
imhotep1 7 months ago
@lastdaysguitar Are you just as harsh on the 50% of marriages that end in divorce? Are you just as harsh on those who have the 3 out of 10 children born out of wedlock? Are you just as harsh on the 4 out of 10 American women who have children with different fathers in which some are from unscriptural unions? Homosexuality is wrong but he who is without sin cast the first stone. All sexual immoral behavior is sinful. I strongly suggest people examine their own lives and family members then rant.
imhotep1 7 months ago
Does god draw lines to who can be saved and who cant? I thought that the gospel was about the good newsthat we are saved through faith alone. I dont think that that discludes any one sinner. Jesus is about building bridges and we forget that.
cinciigirl 2 years ago
Yes, God draws the lines on who can be saved and who can't - He is the author and finisher of our salvation.
There is not one word in the bible about Jesus "building bridges", why do you keep on with that tripe? It is a manmade concept. Your perspective is wrong - Jesus IS The way, but we HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM, and that means REPENTANCE OF SIN.
You do not know God, if you want to know Him: stop debating out of ignorance, stop believing the worlds lies and pick up a bible cincigirl.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
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cinciigirl 2 years ago
Cincigirl, The problem is that God calls all of us to repent of sin, die to ourselves, follow Jesus. Those who do not become born again will not be saved... having unrepentant carnal sinners as church leaders is an abomination, whether it be adultery, homosexuality, pedophelia, bestiality, etc...
Read what Jesus says about repentance and those who claim salvation, but do not actually MAKE Him the Lord of their lives.
I wouldn't want to be such a person, let alone have such a person lead.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Born again? Once you are baptized...you are clothed in Christ forever.
So I guess you believe you are talking on God's behalf. You can claim who goes to hell and who doesn't. Shameful in my book. God has obviously left your heart.
cinciigirl 2 years ago
The Good news is not about pointing fingers and condemning people to hell. God is Love. YOu need to read the Gospel again and quit making God out to be hateful and the bible to be full of hell and damnation. Gospel means good news and we are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. Homosexuality is not a sin. Who do you think made homosexuals? And I don't want to hear that It's a choice. Why would someone choose a lifestyle of knowing that they will be persecuted from their fellow man?
cinciigirl 2 years ago
The bible says we are to share the gospel in the great commission - that is the WHOLE gospel cincigirl. Not just the love part, but also the judgement of a Righteous God who WILL have His vengance on sin.
Your mind is captive to a false doctrine of a Santa Clause in the sky. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
First of all the bible is not all Gospel. You are confused with Law and Gospel.
cinciigirl 2 years ago
Judgement on Sin? But that does not include those who are saved through Grace through Jesus Christ. We are ALL sinners. In elementary terms...that is why God sent us Jesus Christ. We are saved....all sinners who believe. This is in the Gospel. I think that you get confused with Law and Gospel a lot. Since you are into the Law more so than the Gospel...maybe you should think about becoming Jewish. (That is not a put down to the Jews. It is just a point that they follow the Old Testament - LAW.)
cinciigirl 2 years ago
Cinci, the REPENTANT sinner who follows Christ IS forgiven - the one who stays in his sin and rejects Jesus and the free gift of salvation He offers to indulge in continual unrepentant sin will face the judgement. Better read what Jesus Himself said about those who do not follow Him.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
It's not enough to believe: the bible says even the demons believe, and tremble.
You must repent of sin, please do a bible study on need for repentance.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
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cinciigirl 2 years ago
Unrepentant homosexuals WILL be dealt with, whether you think it's a sin or not doesn't matter one iota - it is not about YOU, it is about what God has said, & according to holy scriptures both fornication & homosexuality ARE sin.
Would you want an adulterer as a pastor? How about a child abuser? Is it okay to be an unrepentant sinner and be a pastor now? How about a pastor that robs from the till?
What you describe isn't Christianity - it is a lukewarm repentless cult social club.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
I hear you TTODD245, we must speak the truth in love and our role is to love, not to condemn. But we must expose error and do so prayerfully. The challenge is the need to be urgent and loving. I quoted Jude 7 because our President just took an amazing stand with the homosexual community, clergy who claim to represent God also make the same stand. We must blow the trumpet and give it a certain sound. We are living in the very hour of God's judgment and we have to wake the people up. God help us.
Revelation14sixto12 2 years ago
I share your compassion for this tragedy and those caught in the midst of it. I pray that as many as are willing will take hold of God's hand and avoid such apostacy. From our churches and even the highest office in our land, we have given ourselves over to immorality. Jude 7 says: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Revelation14sixto12 2 years ago
Flee from Babylon...the churches have become apostates. start home churches...real christians will be persecuted. Who do you think will enforce the mark of the beast. It is the apostate churches.
rickydepths1 2 years ago
Not all churches have become apostate Ricky - but it is right to flee the Ichabod church if it cannot be restored rather than share it's judgement.
ELCA is an Ichabod cult.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Did pastor girl/ guy say dog shit?
hawver1013 2 years ago
yes
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
I am a sinner and I know it but this is so scary to watch. They are so BOLD in their disrespect of the Word. I know I'm not perfect and I know people would say that I'm a hypocrite for saying that what they are doing is wrong, but at least I freely ADMIT that I'm a sinner and ask God for forgiveness!
MrsSarb 2 years ago
AMEN!
Luke 18:11,13-14
11The Pharisee stood and prayed saying, God, I thank You, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
13And the publican, standing far off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for he that exalts himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.
dowejustexist 2 years ago
MrsSarb,
Very insightful comment, and you've summerized very truthfully a main point of the video:
that in arrogance and self pride the homosexual community has forsaken God's revealed word of scripture, and instead have set up their own PC religion with devilish doctrines - a twisted imitation ...as fortold in scriptural prophecy.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
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You're preaching to the choir. Sin is sin. Why are you so vehemently angry? I'm praying for you.
TTODD245 2 years ago
I'm not vehemently angry, however I am calling you on your arrogant, wrong-minded position.
You have been condesending, disrespectful, and unscriptural from the start.
Read the bible about what Lord Jesus Himself said of those who have recieved salvation and then return to sin.
Your approach of tolerating sin & not standing against it is not Christianity.
So far every post you've made criticizes this video, yet now that I've shown your illogic - you say I'm "preaching to the choir".
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
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I am sorry you cannot understand. Jesus died not only for you, but also for folks like Ellen and Obama. I have no political agenda. Not once have I implied that homosexuality is NOT a sin - of course it is -- but we cannot bring these people to Christ with this attitude of condemnation. That battle belongs to the Lord, and praise God we already know who wins! Our job is to "love justice, do mercy, and walk humbly with our God." There's enough to do here without trying to do God's job.
TTODD245 2 years ago
TTO - Jesus dies for everybody NOT so that they can continue in sin, but thru Him experience true repentance & holiness.
If you do not teach repentance of sin you do not preach the gospel of Christ.
If you'll read the bible you'll see thousands of scriptures that condemn & warn of sin, demanding repentance.
We are called to admonish, and to stand against false doctrines... what you consider a "better way" is only a false gospel that denies the reality of a righteous judge.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
TTO
Regarding doing God's job: I'm only serving in obediance to God.
It is YOU who seek to do God's job by replacing His perfect gospel message with an ACLU/homo friendy "make no waves" false doctrine that will damn their souls to hell.
You might recall God loved Jacob, but Esau He hated - God is Love, AND therefore God does also hate.
"Love the sinner hate the sin" is NOT in the bible.
While we were yet sinners He died for us, BUT He expects and demands REPENTANCE of sin!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
TTO You've confessed by your own admission that homosexuality IS sin.
Given that FACT: Do you also suggest ordination of adulterers or out of wedlock fornicating pastors? Should we ordain drug addicts/get drunk hang out in bars every day? What about ordaining known child or spousal abusers?
Should we ordain thieves? Con artists?
Or would you stop at "only" ordaning known sins of homosexuality?
I hope you get my point:
your logic is flawed. Homo's need repentance NOT ordination!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Lastdays,
You're doing a great job, bro...keep it up.
I think where TTO was coming from is Romans 2:1-4, culminating in God's goodness leading us to repentance.
I'm absolutely not advocating for gay pastors, but homosexuals aren't the only ones who need to repent.
Look at the list of sins in Rom. 1:29-32 which God judges in Rom. 2:1-4. How many Christians are without covetousness, envy, debate, deceit, malignity; gossip,
backbiting, proud, boasters, unmerciful:
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dowejustexist 2 years ago
Gods Judgment of Sin (Romans 2:1-5a) 1 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. 2 And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. 3 Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid Gods judgment when you do the same things?
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dowejustexist 2 years ago
4 Dont you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Cant you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin? 5 But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself.
dowejustexist 2 years ago
Dowe - I agree homosexuals arent the only ones that need to repent, but they ARE dangerous to society, thanks to their decades of a structured & satanic agenda to force acceptance of sin in culture.
In that they have accomplished through their manipulation/twisting of law a uniquely evil situation where their sin-filled group is set up as a "protected class" that now seeks to taint everything it touches. They MUST recruit to stay alive, because they cannot reproduce,so they replicate!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Yeah, TTO is a bible revisionist who picks and chooses verses to twist to his sin-filled state rather than reading all of revealed scripture - that is why he is in error... it's too bad he didn't read a bit further, to Romans 2:8-9 which clearly describes the pride filled gay community, and their coming judgement.
Of course, you can tell them "don't touch the stove - it's hot!", but being ignorant captives to sin, they will just walk away with burned hands, and yell at you for "judging" them.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
This is an excellent video.
dowejustexist 2 years ago 4
Dowe: Thanks - sure wish I didn't have to make it though!
God bless you my friend
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Destruction of America started.
martyrindia 2 years ago
Amen brother
TjmMinistries 2 years ago 2
People who support committed, same sex, lifelong relationships have read the Bible. They just don't read it legalistically.
God's Word is what reveals Christ. Looking at Scripture "as a whole" many believe that Jesus would welcome this change.
Remember, Satan's tempation in the garden was "to be like God, knowing good from evil". Watch the arrogance.
klokker0007 2 years ago
klokker said: "Satan's tempation in the garden was "to be like God, knowing good from evil". Watch the arrogance."
The arrogance is from those who would put their own perceptions & knowledge above God's word - EVERY scripture in regards to homosexuality condems it utterly, yet you have the ARROGANCE to say "many believe Jesus would welcome this change"
That viewpoint is absurd for a Christian.
But the bible says in the last days men would be decieved and call good "evil" and evil "good"...
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
"Legalistic" is a term often used pathetically & robotically by sinners as a false defense to remain in sin. BUT it is not legalistic to know that homosexuality IS deadly sin... to know this is simply being accurate to the purport of holy scripture.
No one in ANY lifestyle of sexual sin should be ordained in the church: homo, pedo, beastiality, porno, etc... they are all demonic. The bible makes it clear the character attributes required... and it isn't the Rosy ODonnel Richard Simmons types!
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Romans 3:21-22.."...there is NO DIFFERENCE..." Righteousness from God comes through FAITH in Jesus Christ to ALL who BELIEVE!! if we still live according to Leviticus we still are not allowed to eat shrimp or scallops (Lev. 11:12)...the list goes on and on. HOW can we ever hope to win these people to Christ with this kind of attitude?? Let go and give our omnipotent God the power to do His work through the Holy Spirit. This attitude has got to stop. We can only be examples through love.
TTODD245 2 years ago
TTO does your attitude extend to encouraging the continuance of sinful acts for pedophiles? People who cheat on their spouses? Participants in beastiality?
Homosexuality IS sexual sin.
But of course your page has obama and ellen degenrate... so your position is clearly pro gay anti God
PS: you also in your deception misrepresent the scriptures.
YES people can come out of any sin and come to Christ.
NO, they cannot continue in that sin and stay in Christ!
Read the bible.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
TTO I'd suggest you do a study on the need for repentance of sin.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
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TTODD245 2 years ago
Rom 3:20-"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law, we become concsious of sin." ie, we see that we are so sinful we cannot save ourselves. That is why, Rom 3:21-22-"But now a righteousness from God,apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets [ie the OT] testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Christ Jesus to all who believe. ...
ngdcam 2 years ago
...There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." But read on.. Rom 6:1-"What shall we say then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" Quite often when Jesus healed someone, He said, "Go and sin no more."
ngdcam 2 years ago
Oh, I made my last comment way too soon; before I saw that hideous lesbian talking about her man-ish hair! She is so worldly it makes me nauseous! I have never come across a real man or woman of God who acted so ridiculous as she has. I was embarrassed for her for acting like such an idiot!
crystalsky84 2 years ago
Crystal, the saddest thing is there are SEVERAL carbon copies of that lesbian "pastor" now gloating on youtube.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
What the ppl in this video are saying is making me absolutely sick!! How can these pastors act like homosexuality is ok? Evil, evil, evil!!! And they will go to hell for their stupidity & that's what is so sad. And, drag others (not pastors) who trust them with 'em!!
crystalsky84 2 years ago
What's wrong with those people?? Don't they read the Bible??!!!!! We as christians know for a fact that it was NO coincedence that God sent that tornado!!!
healthnbeauty1 2 years ago
Healthnbeauty1,
I agree & with minds this seared & worldly, I very much doubt they read the bible.
That tornado was a warning unheeded by the sinners.
lastdaysguitar 2 years ago
Hmm, Jesus' words are a "theory?"...So why didn't Jesus say all Scripture is inspired by God? There must have been a reason why He did not specifically bring this up. Scripture during Jesus' time contradict