"Nintendo Power: This is one that a lot of the hardcore Smash Bros. fans have long wondered about. Was the ability to "Wavedash" in Melee intentional or a glitch?
Sakurai: Of course, we noticed that you could do that during the development period."
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"Noticed." As in, it wasn't planned. Therefore, either an exploit or a glitch.
just because it was not planned does not mean its a glitch right away. Glitches are errors or things that cause programs to fail and are not intended to be in the game. Because he saw it in the game and left it there, it was just a side effect of the program but not necessarily something they did not want in the game.
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Glitches are for losers who doesn't have a life spending 24/7 finding them. Stupid fags that don't even play for fun. And just because you can't glitch it doesn't mean you'll lose.
Um, maybe he stumbled on it by accident... and what does being a loser have to do with being homosexual? Yah... I just love your viewpoint on the world.
simko yes advanced techniques ARE skill, but i think u forget, wavedashing, l-cancelling all of those are not techniques of super smash, and were neve rintended to be, they were glitches u cant say ur an advaned smash player cause u glitch, ur good at glitching, not smash, and ur syaing without glitches u can only win by luck, are u stupid, its still a game that requires skill always was, and stop using the word ignorant, what was it ur calendar word of the week?
Actually L canceling was intended by the developers, it was even in smash64. But taking advantage of everything you have (including wavedashing and all other advanced techs) is what made melee so dependent on skill. Brawl still takes skill of course, though it has a bit less of a difference between scrub and pro thanks to these advanced techs being out. The games amazing nonetheless
i never found l canceling to be that much of a glitch, and i dont think they should have taken it out, but either way i jsut dont like seeing ppl whining about them taking things out of the game that were never intentionally intended to be there, and i agree with what u say about using eveyrhting u have, including glitches, but all im saying is the ppl who JUST glitched never actaully learnt the game and that if u do have skill, u should be able to still be sick at brawl without them
It's not that wavedashing being taken out is a bad thing. It's just that there's less skill required in Brawl matches right now.
And honestly when you think about it the lack of skillful techniques really puts a damper on being competative because if something is riding on the line the winner can end up being determined by luck as opposed to skill which is not cool.
Also anyone who thinks that wavedashing is the reason why people are complaining are just ignorant people who just can't win at life.
The criticism towards Brawl is not just wavedashing but also the many other advance techniques that ignorant people think are glitches. One of the most important of those set of techniques is L-canceling which was purposely put into the Super Smash Bros. games before Brawl.
ALSO, it should be well noted Sakurai purposely made this game with the intention of skill not needing to be a factor at all to win. Many mechanics were changed to soften this game up thus making it easier to learn everything about it, or at least Sakurai thinks.
And Advanced techniques dont' compensate for skill. Advanced techniques ARE skill.
OK, ive had enough, first of all you need to understand, wavedashing is a GLITCH meaning if they could have, they would ahve patched it out for the gamecube right away, secondly the whole debate of skill, yes there is skill in wavedashing, but its not a super smash skill acuse its NOT part of the game, which is seen in brawl since it is not there, so if u were sick at melee cause of glitching but ur not good at brawl, then u clearly dont have ne skill in smash, just glitching
on top of that, im willing to bet all the ppl who are whining about brawl are wavedashers who focused their entire game around a glitch and now suck cause its not in brawl, sry but u dont ahve ne smash skill, and u hav eno right to say ur a serious good smash player, and thus no right to criticize the game, cause if u were a serious player and a good player u would all understand that the game is overall better since its been rebalanced and all the glitches and problems are fixed now
and all u dasher wil be liek u say that cause u cant do it, sry but i can do all those glitches, and i play A LOT, and i chose not to use them and focus around because i knew theyd be gone in brawl, and i chose not to waste my time like all of u learning something that would jsut be fixed, and then u all ahve the nerve to whine and bash a game that is better in every way to melee because ur just pissed because instead of learning the game u wasted ur time learning useless smash skills
Finally u all say tis too easy, it is not, its a bit different than melee but u can always get ur timing and combos better, u dont need glitches, its not like without glitches u can only get so good, and that that is so easy, and by u whinning about that, it just shows that none of u actaully played the actual game, u just learnt gltiches, so all of u shut the fuck up cause if ur an actual good super smash bros player, ud be sick at brawl cause u dont need glitches they arent part of super smash
Finally u all say tis too easy, it is not, its a bit different than melee but u can always get ur timing and combos better, u dont need glitches, its not like without glitches u can only get so good, and that that is so easy, and by u whinning about that, it just shows that none of u actaully played the actual game, u just learnt gltiches, so all of u shut the fuck up cause if ur an actual good super smash bros player, ud be sick at brawl cause u dont need glitches they arent part of super smash
It actually does take skill to wavedash.. Not that much though... Brawl is a lot slower than Melee and I don't think a lot of people like it as much.. I'm sure AnimeInlove likes it cause you don't have to have as much skill to play it.. They should of took Melee, made the graphics better, new characters and plot, and a couple new stuff.. I know they made a totally different game.. A bad one.. I'll still play it though.. That is all...
dude i dont think u understand how video games work at all, u dont just make graphics better for a previous game, whats the point, why would they make a game where its the exact same, its NOT melee, just like melee was not the original, the whole point of it being a bit different is so ppl cant just first time playing be godlike, thered be no challenge, but watch in a few years brawl will be huge, melee will be less and less talked about, cause same thing happend when melee replaced the original
No offence, well actully yeah I do mean this. All you people fucking bitching cuz you cant do your beloved WAVEDASH anymore and fuck off. Wavedashing is not skill at all, its just you trying to compensaite for your lack of skill. If your bad ass at SSBM or SSBB you can beat people without it
(BobbysWorldFoSho) hmmm if u were an advanced player you would know that those techniques in melee were glitches and not skill, you sir FAIL completely
they both have their glitches, but people are going to have to live with that. I didn't mind wavedashing and l-canceling, but I definitely see them as glitches. That's why they're getting canned in brawl
Wave dashing isn't a glitch. It's more like an exploit on game physics.
L-canceling definitely isn't a glitch because it was in both the original smash and in melee. It's not just coincidence that the lag time was cut exactly in half.
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melee takes memorization of game glitches, not as much skill. Since brawl got rid of these, players have to play off of skill like in SSB N64. Since all these crappy combos in melee are just copied off pros, there is no originality. Brawl brought back the skill that melee lacked. i can shffl and all that shit but i don't even have to think while i play. I MEMORIZE. that does not take the least amount of skill.
Of course you can memorize, anyone can do that, but can you utilize?
You could SHFFL all you want but if you don't utilize your character, you won't get anywhere. Sure, Brawl does not ahve the glitches we all know and love from SSBM, but that just adds to the fun. Remember people, this isn't Super Smash Bros Melee 2. It's a totally different game.
Dumbass, air-dodging into the ground is not a fucking glitch. At the very worst you could call it an "exploit", which is a derogatory term used by someone too intimidated by the difficulty of a move that instead of learning it he dismisses the legality of it. You aren't good at smash.
o_O aren't you getting cranky? just saying that all these glitches kinda uniform everyone into the same style. besides, the glitches aren't hard, i just don't feel like the game intended for people to use them. oh yeah, shut up.
Why does brawl suck? Brawl is fun no doubt about it, but if your an advance player in melee, your used to all the hard techniques that took us advance players weeks to learn and hard practicing. For Brawl, its just a simple game, nothing hard about it and easy to learn, but melee, it took time and skill to get good at.
i agree with you that it took time and skill, but after you memorized everything, no thinking is required. you just use your set combos over and over.
you suck brawl is probably goin to be game of the year. it is the best game ever. ffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
lol im not sayin it sucks, im askin BobbysWorldFoSho why it sucks, dipfuck. Next time read all the comments thoroughly faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
a lot of people appear to be bitching about how glitchs in melee like wavedashing and all that bullshit isn't in Brawl. People who needs to use glitches to win aren't good players. I wouldn't even call them true gamers. People aren't good without them, so they bitch about them game. Learn to play it the real way, then it wouldn't be bad and youd me a better player.
i kinda agree in some manner that melee is better from what ive seen and heard of...i dont like that theres no wavedash but i expected it to get tooken out, i didnt mind that...but y take out l-cancel? y is there auto ledge grabs when u up+b to recover?
ok, 2 things. if you don't like infinites, too bad. welcome to competitive gaming where you do whatever is required to win. secondly, from what i hear it's not a real infinite, appearently you can DI out I believe. I even see some spots where it looks like shiek was DIing but then didn't continue.
ya thats true but atleast on melee people had to actually b good 2 do that with fox it was way harder 2 wavedash+shine etc. than to just press down b and just keep tapping it..sad the way brawl is going
You need a wall with a slope coming out of it in order for it to work, this probably appears once or twice in all of the stages in the game. It's not a big deal and someone who knows what they're doing will probably never let it happen to them.
thats because melee is way more fast-paced and theres alot of different options like waveland,wavedash,l-cancel,edge-tech(i think is still in brawl),etc.
Im never going to use these things, and if someone does them to me, i'll disconnect. Honestly, infinites really just ruin the game, and I was looking forward to temple.
Walls will be banned in tourneys because of this, but Im saying, some stages have a high possibility of this happening (temple, shadow moses). I'm not worried about it though, as Techning is easy.
Infinites take discipline. They take skill. Generally the only people who don't like them, are the ones lacking the ability to take advantage of them. Disconnecting would be ruining the game, and plain whiney.
Thx for posting the tabs, but the person who made those made lots of mistakes. It's not you who is making the mistakes (well maybe some) but the tab is missing a lot of notes.
Actully I think it is worse. The Falco Glitch only works if you are on your "belly" and now that teching as been confirmed, if you do get cought in that it is your fault.
This glitch doesn't seem to easy to get out of, even so it looks like the 2 gods are returning
well i saw a vid where fox does it to ike, and after a while of showing this off ike just shields and grabs him. so as i see it, if fox does this to you, you just block and grab/up B.
and then had a good ol' time of dungeons and dragons before getting your mom to drive you to a star trek convention, only to return home and post this video while dling kiddie porn.
that was in response to: " seriosly freaking hate brawl, we were playing it last night and we got hella bored of it and we decied to play melee instead =] "
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Basicaly Brawl seems more like a Masher then Melle was its totally going to be a big let down for me cause in melee tournaments It actually took skill to be good and now its just like exploit glitch, Characters have ridiculously easy ways to kill and you have no chance to Survive Make your time...wtf...Omg Falcon has been sent after me by sakurai for dissing the game...oh wait they Tried to fly here put the Plain suffed on take off and Blew up from FLacon's extreme Gravity
What the crap. . .? How does it make sense that Fox's infinite is actually easier to do in Brawl than it is in Melee? O_o *is flabbergasted* And yeah, I need to remember to turn down the brightness on my TV if I ever play Fox. The blinding brightness is a little distracting.
No, this is far more broken than anything else. This is just sloppy. Really sloppy unforetuntely. Perhaps all of this will be tweaked before it gets released globally.
Sarcasm sure is hard to detect over the internet isn't it. And there's next to no chance of it getting tweaked since it would conflict with the Japanese's version.
Unless by some grace, a patch is released on the Wii and you can only play with people that have the same addition. That's our only hope really. Sort of how MMORPGs work. >_>
Ph33rmen00bskills, WHAT? why dont you learn what you are talking about before you speak. you do realize there are 2 versions of ssbm. you do realize there ARE two versions of ssbb. sakurai already said they would be polishing the game for americans release by removing glitches and stuff. not to say that this will defenitely be removed, but your argument is absolutely idiotic. and speedster, its not a patch its a necessity. theres a reason why the games are regionalized.
Actually saying no chance was quite ambiguous but I still don't see it happening honestly. Look, if they did polish up the American version and remove all such glitches, what would happen online if someone with the Japanese game executed said glitch against someone with the American copy? It seems unfair that the Japanese would have to use some space on the limited harddrive for a small update or that the game itself becomes region locked.
wolfs shine is from what I have seen bigger, just as fast as fox's, but it has less knockback than fox's. it's pretty much the same but bigger and less annoying....
you cant even compare brawl and melee yet melee's meta game wasnt at full blast until about a year before brawl
and im sure brawl's meta game will evolve just as much
Beastica17 1 year ago
So that infinite is true if u Jump-shine
kirbycommander 2 years ago
I bet that if you use the jump-shine technique it can go fast enough to make escape a little harder.
CaptainAndrew1991 3 years ago
I was about to post that Capt
ThaZatzke 3 years ago
this can be a combo, but at 150% or so, the knockback is large enough for the opponent to escape, I've tried it
exckly 3 years ago
Shiek is still somewhat good apparently...
bigdaddyjh2002 3 years ago
Please note that this is not infinite- it's a pain in the ass, but it is possible for the opponent to escape.
d1st0rt3dsan1ty 3 years ago
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the shiek method is faster. check out my vid for proof!
brawlchamp 3 years ago
"Nintendo Power: This is one that a lot of the hardcore Smash Bros. fans have long wondered about. Was the ability to "Wavedash" in Melee intentional or a glitch?
Sakurai: Of course, we noticed that you could do that during the development period."
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"Noticed." As in, it wasn't planned. Therefore, either an exploit or a glitch.
LucidFaia 3 years ago
just because it was not planned does not mean its a glitch right away. Glitches are errors or things that cause programs to fail and are not intended to be in the game. Because he saw it in the game and left it there, it was just a side effect of the program but not necessarily something they did not want in the game.
doyoung2win 3 years ago
hey i didnt kno there was an article on this debate!!! wat issue of nintendo power!! or is the article online! i wana read about it! :)
indyanbigboy89 3 years ago
Sakurai:"i'll just shut up or i won't get back home"
Jolly2Lolly 3 years ago
They can easily jump out of it or just att back, not as good as the old melee infinite shine (but easier to do now)
Nyuji 3 years ago
err... rape
ArchzAngel 3 years ago
Jump/DI.
WolfJounin 3 years ago
pretty damn cheap but i dont see how u would even get trapped in a corner unless you have down syndrome
fuzzypanda36 3 years ago
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Glitches are for losers who doesn't have a life spending 24/7 finding them. Stupid fags that don't even play for fun. And just because you can't glitch it doesn't mean you'll lose.
SergiusCaesar 3 years ago
English plz? You callin' me a fag?!?
UltimateDoomsdayGame 3 years ago
I'm glad I have people like you to tell me what is and isn't fun. You know what you're talking about. You're from the internet, right?
PenguinJin 3 years ago
Um, maybe he stumbled on it by accident... and what does being a loser have to do with being homosexual? Yah... I just love your viewpoint on the world.
Mehcya 3 years ago
That's not an infinite. My friend was playing as Pit and jumped out of it. I was on Corneria in the corner when I did it.
bigdaddyjh2002 4 years ago
then you weren't doing it right.
aznpsycho7 4 years ago 3
Or maybe there's a way out of it. Have a nice day.
bigdaddyjh2002 3 years ago
Yea you can jump Out Of it
kamwii 3 years ago
I honestly don't care about them taking out stuff, but I don't like it that they didn't put in too much stuff.
Simko084 4 years ago
People putting this much effort into arguing about Melee and Brawl make me feel bad for being a psrt of the human race.
Platinumyo 4 years ago
u cant combo in brawl unless ur opponent is a noob
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Aenuub 4 years ago 2
simko yes advanced techniques ARE skill, but i think u forget, wavedashing, l-cancelling all of those are not techniques of super smash, and were neve rintended to be, they were glitches u cant say ur an advaned smash player cause u glitch, ur good at glitching, not smash, and ur syaing without glitches u can only win by luck, are u stupid, its still a game that requires skill always was, and stop using the word ignorant, what was it ur calendar word of the week?
panzert56 4 years ago
if you cant win at brawl cause there arne't any more glitches then ur not a good smash bros player, and never were
panzert56 4 years ago
Actually L canceling was intended by the developers, it was even in smash64. But taking advantage of everything you have (including wavedashing and all other advanced techs) is what made melee so dependent on skill. Brawl still takes skill of course, though it has a bit less of a difference between scrub and pro thanks to these advanced techs being out. The games amazing nonetheless
TheRealToad 4 years ago 6
i never found l canceling to be that much of a glitch, and i dont think they should have taken it out, but either way i jsut dont like seeing ppl whining about them taking things out of the game that were never intentionally intended to be there, and i agree with what u say about using eveyrhting u have, including glitches, but all im saying is the ppl who JUST glitched never actaully learnt the game and that if u do have skill, u should be able to still be sick at brawl without them
panzert56 4 years ago
brawl is boring =]
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
It's not that wavedashing being taken out is a bad thing. It's just that there's less skill required in Brawl matches right now.
And honestly when you think about it the lack of skillful techniques really puts a damper on being competative because if something is riding on the line the winner can end up being determined by luck as opposed to skill which is not cool.
Simko084 4 years ago
Also anyone who thinks that wavedashing is the reason why people are complaining are just ignorant people who just can't win at life.
The criticism towards Brawl is not just wavedashing but also the many other advance techniques that ignorant people think are glitches. One of the most important of those set of techniques is L-canceling which was purposely put into the Super Smash Bros. games before Brawl.
Simko084 4 years ago
ALSO, it should be well noted Sakurai purposely made this game with the intention of skill not needing to be a factor at all to win. Many mechanics were changed to soften this game up thus making it easier to learn everything about it, or at least Sakurai thinks.
And Advanced techniques dont' compensate for skill. Advanced techniques ARE skill.
Simko084 4 years ago
OK, ive had enough, first of all you need to understand, wavedashing is a GLITCH meaning if they could have, they would ahve patched it out for the gamecube right away, secondly the whole debate of skill, yes there is skill in wavedashing, but its not a super smash skill acuse its NOT part of the game, which is seen in brawl since it is not there, so if u were sick at melee cause of glitching but ur not good at brawl, then u clearly dont have ne skill in smash, just glitching
panzert56 4 years ago
on top of that, im willing to bet all the ppl who are whining about brawl are wavedashers who focused their entire game around a glitch and now suck cause its not in brawl, sry but u dont ahve ne smash skill, and u hav eno right to say ur a serious good smash player, and thus no right to criticize the game, cause if u were a serious player and a good player u would all understand that the game is overall better since its been rebalanced and all the glitches and problems are fixed now
panzert56 4 years ago
and all u dasher wil be liek u say that cause u cant do it, sry but i can do all those glitches, and i play A LOT, and i chose not to use them and focus around because i knew theyd be gone in brawl, and i chose not to waste my time like all of u learning something that would jsut be fixed, and then u all ahve the nerve to whine and bash a game that is better in every way to melee because ur just pissed because instead of learning the game u wasted ur time learning useless smash skills
panzert56 4 years ago
Finally u all say tis too easy, it is not, its a bit different than melee but u can always get ur timing and combos better, u dont need glitches, its not like without glitches u can only get so good, and that that is so easy, and by u whinning about that, it just shows that none of u actaully played the actual game, u just learnt gltiches, so all of u shut the fuck up cause if ur an actual good super smash bros player, ud be sick at brawl cause u dont need glitches they arent part of super smash
panzert56 4 years ago
Finally u all say tis too easy, it is not, its a bit different than melee but u can always get ur timing and combos better, u dont need glitches, its not like without glitches u can only get so good, and that that is so easy, and by u whinning about that, it just shows that none of u actaully played the actual game, u just learnt gltiches, so all of u shut the fuck up cause if ur an actual good super smash bros player, ud be sick at brawl cause u dont need glitches they arent part of super smash
panzert56 4 years ago
It actually does take skill to wavedash.. Not that much though... Brawl is a lot slower than Melee and I don't think a lot of people like it as much.. I'm sure AnimeInlove likes it cause you don't have to have as much skill to play it.. They should of took Melee, made the graphics better, new characters and plot, and a couple new stuff.. I know they made a totally different game.. A bad one.. I'll still play it though.. That is all...
glitch417 4 years ago
dude i dont think u understand how video games work at all, u dont just make graphics better for a previous game, whats the point, why would they make a game where its the exact same, its NOT melee, just like melee was not the original, the whole point of it being a bit different is so ppl cant just first time playing be godlike, thered be no challenge, but watch in a few years brawl will be huge, melee will be less and less talked about, cause same thing happend when melee replaced the original
panzert56 4 years ago
No offence, well actully yeah I do mean this. All you people fucking bitching cuz you cant do your beloved WAVEDASH anymore and fuck off. Wavedashing is not skill at all, its just you trying to compensaite for your lack of skill. If your bad ass at SSBM or SSBB you can beat people without it
AnimeInlove77 4 years ago
You guys only marked me down because you know i'm right, but now that i have brawl, there is a lot of random things and effects thrown in there.
4hungryhungryhippos 4 years ago
omfg we cant wavedash and cancel in brawl i want my money back :(
SSBMFalco94 4 years ago
lol im too lazy to read all the comments, but yeah, its everyones own opinion, but yeah, everyone has to get used to brawl and stop whining =]
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
wow an infinite any1 can do...
ShadowSSB 4 years ago
so how often do you stand in the corner and wait for a fox to jump you?
jackass
gangreneriddencorpse 4 years ago
everyone who says brawl sucks can go lickadick.
go find another game to play if your going to critisize brawl. stupid fags
xXxAscendantxXx 4 years ago 6
Also, it's way too early to judge brawl. Melee didn't reach the peak of its metagame until like 2004, which is 3 years after its release.
You can be sure that more "glitches" will be exploited in the coming years when someone accidentally finds it.
jmiclovesyou 4 years ago
Now to compare
Melee
-Wavedashing (took about a day to learn?)
-L-canceling (maybe takes a couple weeks?)
-Teching spikes off ledges (months to learn?)
Brawl
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in conclusing , melee takes more skill to play, and brawl is just a simple fighting game.
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
(BobbysWorldFoSho) hmmm if u were an advanced player you would know that those techniques in melee were glitches and not skill, you sir FAIL completely
mvaldes89 4 years ago
Now to REALLY compare
Melee.
-glitch that's getting removed in brawl
-glitch that's getting removed in brawl
-something that takes skill
brawl
-everything takes skill (few exceptions)
they both have their glitches, but people are going to have to live with that. I didn't mind wavedashing and l-canceling, but I definitely see them as glitches. That's why they're getting canned in brawl
KnAuStE 4 years ago
I never knew L-Cancel was a glitch. I would think it wasn't because it was in both original and melee. Wavedashing was most probably a glitch.
I find it very strange that a party game with fighting game characteristics had tournament games, though.
lopezmor926 4 years ago
Wave dashing isn't a glitch. It's more like an exploit on game physics.
L-canceling definitely isn't a glitch because it was in both the original smash and in melee. It's not just coincidence that the lag time was cut exactly in half.
jmiclovesyou 4 years ago 2
wavedashing is a glitch because instead of landing u do a slide thats y its not in brawl
Amazingsuperhero2 4 years ago
that's like saying directional air dodging is a glitch.
tobor77 4 years ago
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melee takes memorization of game glitches, not as much skill. Since brawl got rid of these, players have to play off of skill like in SSB N64. Since all these crappy combos in melee are just copied off pros, there is no originality. Brawl brought back the skill that melee lacked. i can shffl and all that shit but i don't even have to think while i play. I MEMORIZE. that does not take the least amount of skill.
4hungryhungryhippos 4 years ago
No, I think you're just another one of those whiny bitches...
Those combos in Melee required timing, not you're memorizing bullshit...
Fuck you!
Romanramo 4 years ago
whoa someone's pissed
gangreneriddencorpse 4 years ago
but right.
alterego247 3 years ago
tl;dr
gangreneriddencorpse 4 years ago
Of course you can memorize, anyone can do that, but can you utilize?
You could SHFFL all you want but if you don't utilize your character, you won't get anywhere. Sure, Brawl does not ahve the glitches we all know and love from SSBM, but that just adds to the fun. Remember people, this isn't Super Smash Bros Melee 2. It's a totally different game.
flashedwave 4 years ago
brawl has skill? i played competitive melee for a long time now and i got pretty dam good at brawl in a day.not much skill there
alterego247 3 years ago
notrly.
darkwarcloud 3 years ago
wow you sure showed us dude
gangreneriddencorpse 3 years ago
Dumbass, air-dodging into the ground is not a fucking glitch. At the very worst you could call it an "exploit", which is a derogatory term used by someone too intimidated by the difficulty of a move that instead of learning it he dismisses the legality of it. You aren't good at smash.
gangreneriddencorpse 3 years ago
"In conclusing", your perspective is biased, and is therefore worth nothing. Shut the fuck up.
gangreneriddencorpse 3 years ago
o_O aren't you getting cranky? just saying that all these glitches kinda uniform everyone into the same style. besides, the glitches aren't hard, i just don't feel like the game intended for people to use them. oh yeah, shut up.
4hungryhungryhippos 3 years ago
Why does brawl suck? Brawl is fun no doubt about it, but if your an advance player in melee, your used to all the hard techniques that took us advance players weeks to learn and hard practicing. For Brawl, its just a simple game, nothing hard about it and easy to learn, but melee, it took time and skill to get good at.
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
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fuck u u suck stupid bitch go suck a dick bitch!!!!!
Amazingsuperhero2 4 years ago
i agree with you that it took time and skill, but after you memorized everything, no thinking is required. you just use your set combos over and over.
4hungryhungryhippos 4 years ago
damn brawl sucks, any backing to that other than this pos video?
Ayumiscar 4 years ago
you suck brawl is probably goin to be game of the year. it is the best game ever. ffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
paulman808 4 years ago
lol im not sayin it sucks, im askin BobbysWorldFoSho why it sucks, dipfuck. Next time read all the comments thoroughly faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
Ayumiscar 4 years ago
a lot of people appear to be bitching about how glitchs in melee like wavedashing and all that bullshit isn't in Brawl. People who needs to use glitches to win aren't good players. I wouldn't even call them true gamers. People aren't good without them, so they bitch about them game. Learn to play it the real way, then it wouldn't be bad and youd me a better player.
djrive 4 years ago 2
i kinda agree in some manner that melee is better from what ive seen and heard of...i dont like that theres no wavedash but i expected it to get tooken out, i didnt mind that...but y take out l-cancel? y is there auto ledge grabs when u up+b to recover?
XMRKINGX 4 years ago
brawl sucks, and it freaking 10 times easier than melee, lol
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
ownage big up 2 fox
selrahc313 4 years ago
ok, 2 things. if you don't like infinites, too bad. welcome to competitive gaming where you do whatever is required to win. secondly, from what i hear it's not a real infinite, appearently you can DI out I believe. I even see some spots where it looks like shiek was DIing but then didn't continue.
DragonCharlz 4 years ago
i agree, if your going to enter the competitive gaming, its something u have to get used to.
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
ya thats true but atleast on melee people had to actually b good 2 do that with fox it was way harder 2 wavedash+shine etc. than to just press down b and just keep tapping it..sad the way brawl is going
XMRKINGX 4 years ago
You need a wall with a slope coming out of it in order for it to work, this probably appears once or twice in all of the stages in the game. It's not a big deal and someone who knows what they're doing will probably never let it happen to them.
omgitshim 4 years ago
Oh, I take that back. I guess it does work on a regular corner.
omgitshim 4 years ago
Heres and idea for you geniuses, stay away from that area when you play this stage. It really is that simple.
smashman3 4 years ago 3
thats so dum, wats the point of using 1 attack the whole time when fox has a variety of better stronger attacks??
twilightworld07 4 years ago
when u play brawl for awhile and go back to playing melee, it feels hella weird
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
thats because melee is way more fast-paced and theres alot of different options like waveland,wavedash,l-cancel,edge-tech(i think is still in brawl),etc.
XMRKINGX 4 years ago
Im never going to use these things, and if someone does them to me, i'll disconnect. Honestly, infinites really just ruin the game, and I was looking forward to temple.
Redhalberd 4 years ago
yeah you really wont want to be in a tourny if you cant avoid a *gasp* wall
Porthos5 4 years ago
Walls will be banned in tourneys because of this, but Im saying, some stages have a high possibility of this happening (temple, shadow moses). I'm not worried about it though, as Techning is easy.
Redhalberd 4 years ago
No. You could do it in Melee on some of the tourney playable stages. I don't see it being any different.
R7Nite 4 years ago
Infinites take discipline. They take skill. Generally the only people who don't like them, are the ones lacking the ability to take advantage of them. Disconnecting would be ruining the game, and plain whiney.
redmeowmix123 4 years ago
lol. the only people who like them are those too useless to try something other than some repetitive hack.
happybois 4 years ago
lol they made it so you can't jump cancel the reflector and shorthop back down to reflect again. but... now you don't have to =)
silverhalo117 4 years ago
Thx for posting the tabs, but the person who made those made lots of mistakes. It's not you who is making the mistakes (well maybe some) but the tab is missing a lot of notes.
cmanatlan 4 years ago
Made this on the wrong open video, lol.
cmanatlan 4 years ago
couldnt it be an online patch that you use to download through the wii(like on the xbox)
mj1903ikjshdj 4 years ago
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Thats so noobish.
Nightsky071 4 years ago
well, i dont think the jap game and the us game will be different, i just hope theres an update on the game to put in L-cancling and such
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
im thinking they'll remove some of the toon link stuff, but other than that, i dont see much changing
betterthanbonds9 4 years ago
Dude, Lag canciling is gone forever, they purposly took it out. Glitch fixing is what they need to focus on T.T
nubfail 4 years ago 3
I hope not, noobs like ya'll love to find cheap ways to win will the people who play for real use skill.
Nightsky071 4 years ago
I wonder if 2 Foxes can still shine one person between them...
Tekami 4 years ago 2
it would take perfect sync....
or one person with 2 controllers XD
shadowraven94 4 years ago
lol funny funny
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
So yeah, there goes all the wall and corner stages off the legal list, AGAIN.
papermarkis 4 years ago
i've seen this being blocked so its not as bad as the falco glitch.
Franco55 4 years ago 2
Actully I think it is worse. The Falco Glitch only works if you are on your "belly" and now that teching as been confirmed, if you do get cought in that it is your fault.
This glitch doesn't seem to easy to get out of, even so it looks like the 2 gods are returning
hi111221 4 years ago
well i saw a vid where fox does it to ike, and after a while of showing this off ike just shields and grabs him. so as i see it, if fox does this to you, you just block and grab/up B.
Franco55 4 years ago
your a dirty cheater and your Fox SUCKS.
ThePinkReaper 4 years ago
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i seriosly freaking hate brawl, we were playing it last night and we got hella bored of it and we decied to play melee instead =]
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
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Loser
tompozzo 4 years ago
and then had a good ol' time of dungeons and dragons before getting your mom to drive you to a star trek convention, only to return home and post this video while dling kiddie porn.
Mlross56630 4 years ago
that was in response to: " seriosly freaking hate brawl, we were playing it last night and we got hella bored of it and we decied to play melee instead =] "
Mlross56630 4 years ago
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Basicaly Brawl seems more like a Masher then Melle was its totally going to be a big let down for me cause in melee tournaments It actually took skill to be good and now its just like exploit glitch, Characters have ridiculously easy ways to kill and you have no chance to Survive Make your time...wtf...Omg Falcon has been sent after me by sakurai for dissing the game...oh wait they Tried to fly here put the Plain suffed on take off and Blew up from FLacon's extreme Gravity
spikedieslol 4 years ago
"its just like exploit glitch" question, do you Wave Dash in Melee? If so, shut the hell up.
LWSW88 4 years ago
What the crap. . .? How does it make sense that Fox's infinite is actually easier to do in Brawl than it is in Melee? O_o *is flabbergasted* And yeah, I need to remember to turn down the brightness on my TV if I ever play Fox. The blinding brightness is a little distracting.
maelstrom218 4 years ago
Even without many corners, that's pretty scary.
Also the new shine animations hurt my eyes.
rsc390 4 years ago 4
yeah wolf shines isnt as great as foxs shine
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
wolf's shine sucks balls pretty much, i think i tried infiniting a few times, but it failed
fox is pretty easy though lol
tehdewrag 4 years ago
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I like Sakurai's logic. He wanted to appeal more to casuals so he made infinites easier by taking out waveshine and instead implementing this <_<
ph33rmen00bskillz 4 years ago
No, this is far more broken than anything else. This is just sloppy. Really sloppy unforetuntely. Perhaps all of this will be tweaked before it gets released globally.
speedster27 4 years ago
Sarcasm sure is hard to detect over the internet isn't it. And there's next to no chance of it getting tweaked since it would conflict with the Japanese's version.
ph33rmen00bskillz 4 years ago
Unless by some grace, a patch is released on the Wii and you can only play with people that have the same addition. That's our only hope really. Sort of how MMORPGs work. >_>
speedster27 4 years ago
Ph33rmen00bskills, WHAT? why dont you learn what you are talking about before you speak. you do realize there are 2 versions of ssbm. you do realize there ARE two versions of ssbb. sakurai already said they would be polishing the game for americans release by removing glitches and stuff. not to say that this will defenitely be removed, but your argument is absolutely idiotic. and speedster, its not a patch its a necessity. theres a reason why the games are regionalized.
lifearesoccer 4 years ago
Actually saying no chance was quite ambiguous but I still don't see it happening honestly. Look, if they did polish up the American version and remove all such glitches, what would happen online if someone with the Japanese game executed said glitch against someone with the American copy? It seems unfair that the Japanese would have to use some space on the limited harddrive for a small update or that the game itself becomes region locked.
ph33rmen00bskillz 4 years ago
how does wolf's shine compare to fox's?
flipboi0787 4 years ago
i havent unlocked wolf yet =[
BobbysWorldFoSho 4 years ago
Haha, Bobby, you're too good.
CerealRabbit 4 years ago
wolfs shine is from what I have seen bigger, just as fast as fox's, but it has less knockback than fox's. it's pretty much the same but bigger and less annoying....
TenzeiX 4 years ago
Wolf's shine seems more like a combo breaker than anything else.
Winnarly 4 years ago