@veltmore1 no, not really because the theorem is good in theory but in practise, computers are unable to compute the infinite number of samples required for a perfect quantization of a pure analog signal, meaning that unless you have a computer that can sum up to infinity, and your sample sizes are infinitely small, you can never exactly replicate an analog signal with a digital one for these reasons.
@PulpFictionsounds Theorems aren't good "in theory", theorems are considered true until experience demonstrates they're wrong. So who can show an experience demonstrating this theorem is wrong ? Nobody can, because this theorem has been constantly verified for decades.
Look, i like turntables, have owned several decent ones (2 oracle delphis, a nak dragon CT, thorens TD-124, technics SP-10, SP-25, various reks, make a DIY table, etc. There is nothing wrong with vinyl as a medium if that is what you prefer, but if someone is going to make ridiculous statements, they should be able to back them up with more than "because i said so" or resort to petty insults like "you must be deaf dude!"
you see, that's where the problem lies. how do you quantify differences in hearing? isn't that subjective? so to have somebody back it up with empirical data is downright stupid don't you think? here's my hypothetical question to you. what sounds better digital drums or real drums?
I wasn't attempting to. Someone said old music didn't require as much dynamic range as new music. This is blatantly false and asking for clarification isn't stupid, it's an attempt to understand where they are coming from. It's common to misuse terminology so I thought maybe that's what happened.
If the posting on this video has become a technical 'discussion' about digital versus analogue then we are not understanding what he is trying to get across. Music is the the expresion of emotion and vinyl does that better than digital and if something is made to convey human emotion then it itself is better suited to that task if it itself was made by a human with emotion. Yes?
@dnewma04 digital is merely replicating via 1's and 0's musical signals that are vibratory in nature. LP's reproduce music via vibrations. isn't that simple enough?
Why compressed? Just because morons behind the mixing boards like to overly compress everything these days doesn't make it the fault of the medium. I've got new records that are compressed and clipped all to hell.
"not a digital representation, but an original analog sound" - good lord, now i understand: the truth of sound is revealed. it's stereo! and what we hear is .. scrapes in the air!
(anyway, i don't know about his machines. at least they might be satisfying?)
Mr. Yorke is just right. I love vinyl records, I will be loving them till the day I die, and I hope somebody will still be pressing them once I'm dead. Jackets are wonderful and today's pressings sound better than ever...
I owned a Simon Yorke S7 for 9 years. A great product! Simon is an original! He can be cantankerous and unpredictable, and even abusive (take it from me!) but he's an original. Special editions of his turntable are in the National Archives and used for the preservation of analog recordings.
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One of Simon Yorkes turntables is used by the Library of Congress in the States for transcribing rare archived recordings; some of the best designs available
ah, the side effects of middle age. how about you spare a though for all the people at the turn of the century who spent their younger years watching live performances of great composers played by musicians who'd dedicated their lives to perfecting the mastery of their chosen instrument. people who turned their noses up to tinny music cranked out of a mechanical device. people who complained of music being stripped down to its barest components and sold ten a penny as mere commodities
sure digital music is destroying music as we know it but destruction is the first step of creation. music has the power to move the soul and as such it will never die. those of us with the rest of our lives ahead of us are excited to see what's around the corner. those who's youth is behind them, as always, cling to an over sentimentality of the good old days. a feeling stemming, 9 times out of 10, from the fact that you used to be able to get it up and now you can't.
you'd better look at 7" single sales in the UK RIGHT NOW among kids before you spew this nonsense about "clinging to youth" and blah blah blah. When kids weaned on files hear real music played back on a turntable, they flip for it Digital is why people hear music while doing other stuff but they don't really listen to music anymore. They hear it while doing other stuff .....maybe what's around the corner SUCKS. The notion that everything new is better is imbicilic
yeah fair enough. was having a bit of a bad day that day. sorry for taking it out on the fine people of youtube. i agree with you totally that vinal sounds better and people dont sit and savour music as much anymore. the whole experience of music is changing just as it did when it moved from being excessively performed live. Theirs a lot more to that experience than just the sound and im sure the people with the first record players felt the loss of something too.
And the stone age guy sat around his camp fire banging on his drum to draw people in, well hes got no way of relating. Were living in interesting times. Nothing less than the death of music as we know it. But the change in the way we experience and use music will will force artists question the very nature of music they'll grow and adapt to the new world and out of the ashes they'll create that rarest of things, something new!
well I think this sort of Utopian stuff was predicted for Dean Kamen's Segway, but it didn't happen, nor have people abandoned books for electronic books nor will they. The death of music is exaggerated.
speaking of best years of my life, you should hear that Green Day album on double 180g vinyl issued by Warner Brothers. The CD sucks by comparison and I guarantee you the Green Day guys agree...
the best record player in the world.....Good save the simon
superbibola 10 months ago
@superbibola God safe the simon
superbibola 10 months ago
Long Live Shellac and Vinyl!!!!!!
rudiherold84 1 year ago
I'm no expert, but I believe that the Nyquist-Shannon theorem contradicts his whole idea that quantization is about "throwing information out".
veltmore1 1 year ago
@veltmore1 no, not really because the theorem is good in theory but in practise, computers are unable to compute the infinite number of samples required for a perfect quantization of a pure analog signal, meaning that unless you have a computer that can sum up to infinity, and your sample sizes are infinitely small, you can never exactly replicate an analog signal with a digital one for these reasons.
PulpFictionsounds 2 months ago
@PulpFictionsounds Theorems aren't good "in theory", theorems are considered true until experience demonstrates they're wrong. So who can show an experience demonstrating this theorem is wrong ? Nobody can, because this theorem has been constantly verified for decades.
veltmore1 2 months ago
i totally agree.i love your ideas and your points of view,ill bet your record players are fantastic.
mlovesdogs412 2 years ago
A poor effort with significantly more dynamic range than vinyl.
dnewma04 2 years ago
more dynamic range does not equal more information or better sound. In terms of vintage recordings, more dynamic range is totally unnecessary.
wellyes 2 years ago
explain.
dnewma04 2 years ago
@dnewma04 no need to explain what you hearing says dude!!! unless you're deaf........
pangtuli 2 years ago
Look, i like turntables, have owned several decent ones (2 oracle delphis, a nak dragon CT, thorens TD-124, technics SP-10, SP-25, various reks, make a DIY table, etc. There is nothing wrong with vinyl as a medium if that is what you prefer, but if someone is going to make ridiculous statements, they should be able to back them up with more than "because i said so" or resort to petty insults like "you must be deaf dude!"
dnewma04 2 years ago
you see, that's where the problem lies. how do you quantify differences in hearing? isn't that subjective? so to have somebody back it up with empirical data is downright stupid don't you think? here's my hypothetical question to you. what sounds better digital drums or real drums?
pangtuli 2 years ago
I wasn't attempting to. Someone said old music didn't require as much dynamic range as new music. This is blatantly false and asking for clarification isn't stupid, it's an attempt to understand where they are coming from. It's common to misuse terminology so I thought maybe that's what happened.
dnewma04 2 years ago 2
If the posting on this video has become a technical 'discussion' about digital versus analogue then we are not understanding what he is trying to get across. Music is the the expresion of emotion and vinyl does that better than digital and if something is made to convey human emotion then it itself is better suited to that task if it itself was made by a human with emotion. Yes?
ben556473 2 years ago
I bet his record players approach CD quality, I'd love to hear one.
dnewma04 2 years ago
ha-ha
summerlandave 2 years ago
sorry, i didn't know that wanting to hear his TTs would get me a negative.
dnewma04 2 years ago
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coasttocoast7 2 years ago
Hi-Fi is short for High Fidelity and fidelity means...
1. strict observance of promises, duties, etc.: a servant's fidelity.
2. loyalty: fidelity to one's country.
3. conjugal faithfulness.
4. adherence to fact or detail.
5. accuracy; exactness: The speech was transcribed with great fidelity.
6. Audio, Video. the degree of accuracy with which sound or images are recorded or reproduced.
So by definition digitising cannot be Hi-Fi?
ben556473 2 years ago
How so? You make an argument but then come with some extraordinarily odd correlation at the end.
Recording to digital has far fewer losses, especially in dynamic range, than the transfer of a live performance or from tape to a record cutter.
dnewma04 2 years ago
@dnewma04 digital is merely replicating via 1's and 0's musical signals that are vibratory in nature. LP's reproduce music via vibrations. isn't that simple enough?
pangtuli 2 years ago
It's definitely simple minded.
dnewma04 2 years ago
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coomohit 2 years ago
I'm not so sure the digital medium cannot "touch your soul"
as Simon Yorke puts it. I have the wonderful Rega Saturn CD player and let me tell you that machine most definitely delivers the soulful sounds.
Soulnik 3 years ago 2
Wonderful CD player, it has little bit of that "analog" sound. =)
OjStudios 2 years ago 2
The Saturn definitely has some of that musical analog magic.
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Soulnik 2 years ago
Yes, but it is a CD player just more expensive, a decoding machine that decodes compressed 16bit @ 44.1khz music.
MixingLaboratory 2 years ago
Why compressed? Just because morons behind the mixing boards like to overly compress everything these days doesn't make it the fault of the medium. I've got new records that are compressed and clipped all to hell.
dnewma04 2 years ago
Yes you're right, but CD still remains a medium that is encoded at 44.1khz at 16bits - a poor effort conceded by the developers of this medium.
MixingLaboratory 2 years ago
"not a digital representation, but an original analog sound" - good lord, now i understand: the truth of sound is revealed. it's stereo! and what we hear is .. scrapes in the air!
(anyway, i don't know about his machines. at least they might be satisfying?)
atelierpur 3 years ago
I own an Acoustic Solid, just awaiting a Basis Audio, but dreaming with one of this state-of-the-art annalogue masterpieces called Simon Yorke.
noncondition 3 years ago
All good except "there was a famous jazz musician called ornette coleman"....there still is, except now he records to digital.
AWrunsthevoodoodown 3 years ago
Mr. Yorke is just right. I love vinyl records, I will be loving them till the day I die, and I hope somebody will still be pressing them once I'm dead. Jackets are wonderful and today's pressings sound better than ever...
Long live vinyl!!!!
enowilson 3 years ago 2
Well done! Carry on....
tracer740 3 years ago
I absolutely agree.
I have over 4000 LPs
I've converted some to CD but of course its not as good sounding but better than a commercial CD.
It seems the more technology "improves" the less enjoyable music is.
The old 78's can sound dramatically dynamic and real and direct to disk LPs are stunning.
Anderskh 3 years ago
I owned a Simon Yorke S7 for 9 years. A great product! Simon is an original! He can be cantankerous and unpredictable, and even abusive (take it from me!) but he's an original. Special editions of his turntable are in the National Archives and used for the preservation of analog recordings.
analogcorner 3 years ago 2
i love everything yorke said. beautiful
stuffy2006 4 years ago
in some cases some would say digital is needed, but in many it can be done on analog and done well.
stuffy2006 4 years ago
greater effort is needed to preserve analog recordings with analog. heartbreaking when its done on digital, even the best digital. have some respect.
stuffy2006 4 years ago
thank you simon yorke! right on!
stuffy2006 4 years ago
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kcooper697127 4 years ago
A very talented designer. If only I had the money !
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bradey78 4 years ago
More than one of Simon's turntables are used by the Library of Congress....
analogcorner 4 years ago
One of Simon Yorkes turntables is used by the Library of Congress in the States for transcribing rare archived recordings; some of the best designs available
Gypsielectro 4 years ago
is it the drugs?
poononga1 4 years ago 2
But theres the amplification of the sound source process! ....played out of 'moving air' speakers all of which detracts from the 'live' performance!
But i know what he means!
MUNKSTAR 4 years ago
ooops.. posted in wrong order
bestyrsofmylife 4 years ago
ah, the side effects of middle age. how about you spare a though for all the people at the turn of the century who spent their younger years watching live performances of great composers played by musicians who'd dedicated their lives to perfecting the mastery of their chosen instrument. people who turned their noses up to tinny music cranked out of a mechanical device. people who complained of music being stripped down to its barest components and sold ten a penny as mere commodities
bestyrsofmylife 4 years ago
sure digital music is destroying music as we know it but destruction is the first step of creation. music has the power to move the soul and as such it will never die. those of us with the rest of our lives ahead of us are excited to see what's around the corner. those who's youth is behind them, as always, cling to an over sentimentality of the good old days. a feeling stemming, 9 times out of 10, from the fact that you used to be able to get it up and now you can't.
bestyrsofmylife 4 years ago
you'd better look at 7" single sales in the UK RIGHT NOW among kids before you spew this nonsense about "clinging to youth" and blah blah blah. When kids weaned on files hear real music played back on a turntable, they flip for it Digital is why people hear music while doing other stuff but they don't really listen to music anymore. They hear it while doing other stuff .....maybe what's around the corner SUCKS. The notion that everything new is better is imbicilic
analogcorner 4 years ago
yeah fair enough. was having a bit of a bad day that day. sorry for taking it out on the fine people of youtube. i agree with you totally that vinal sounds better and people dont sit and savour music as much anymore. the whole experience of music is changing just as it did when it moved from being excessively performed live. Theirs a lot more to that experience than just the sound and im sure the people with the first record players felt the loss of something too.
bestyrsofmylife 4 years ago
And the stone age guy sat around his camp fire banging on his drum to draw people in, well hes got no way of relating. Were living in interesting times. Nothing less than the death of music as we know it. But the change in the way we experience and use music will will force artists question the very nature of music they'll grow and adapt to the new world and out of the ashes they'll create that rarest of things, something new!
bestyrsofmylife 4 years ago
well I think this sort of Utopian stuff was predicted for Dean Kamen's Segway, but it didn't happen, nor have people abandoned books for electronic books nor will they. The death of music is exaggerated.
analogcorner 4 years ago
speaking of best years of my life, you should hear that Green Day album on double 180g vinyl issued by Warner Brothers. The CD sucks by comparison and I guarantee you the Green Day guys agree...
analogcorner 4 years ago
wow first view and first comment!... im not making it my favourite tho
Chewu 4 years ago