Re: Missing link evolution fossil science sky news david attenborough PART 2

[MunkyDrag0n]

Not a single speck of proof for these claims except poorly-drawn art and poorly-made computer graphics. A mole could see the flaws in this argument.

[wallidjan]

My house is near a high road in London. I wanted to go to central London, but I did not find anything other than pieces of metal and plastic. When my gaze fell onto it, the metal and plastic moved, came together, and created a car. All this happened without the work of an engineer or a worker. I sat in it, drove to central London. If the mind does not accept the existence of a car without engineers or people making it, then how do you say that the universe exists without a creator Allah God

[kenzaonsa]

Dna

[blissoway]

might as well propose the theorey of colonization, god didn't put us here. we're actually a colony from another seed planet. Ha believe that one too!

[FeineMresse]

AMEN BROTHER..

Let´s start a new glorious age for all Muslims!

I´ll go and burn some books about "Evilution" right now !!

I don´t understand that stuff but I am sure nobody has to understand it because Allah is the answer to all our questions.

And after that I will go and burn my cell phone and some cars and planes or even a cursed witch or an unholy jew.

God, Allah or another random God may bless us for our medieval beliefs !

Let´s just pray that there will be some more dark ages ahead!

[tigerlight430]

I always thought that the reason the fossil record was incomplete was because the circumstances for creating a fossil in the first place have to be very special, hence there aren't that many around - plus we don't know where to look for them. So give the scientists a break! (At least they're trying to find an answer as opposed to thinking they know it all already...) Anyway if God is all-powerful, perhaps He created the evolutionary process? Don't defer to the Bible, that was written by man.

[wallidjan]

Man must think on how he came into being, what the purpose of his life is, why he will die and what awaits him after death. He must question how he, himself, and the whole universe came into existence and how they continue to exist. While doing this, he must relieve himself of all constraints and prejudices.

[wallidjan]

It is He who sends down water from the sky. From it you drink and from it come the shrubs among which you graze your herds. And by it He makes crops grow for you and olives and dates and grapes and fruit of every kind. Therein is certainly a sign in that for people who reflect. (Quran)

[bodyrocks1on1]

try explaining with creation why we have the following; Goose bumps, Jacobsons Organ, Junk DNA, Extra Ear Muscle, Plantaris Muscle, WISDOM TEETH!, 3rd Eye lid called Plica Semilunaris, TAIL BONE! coccyx, The Apendix! All can be explained by Evolution but all would b considered a design flaw of Creation!

[wallidjan]

Body parts thought to be useless remnants of past evolutionary development. (crit) Back in 1895, Robert Wiedersheim listed 180 alleged vestigial organs. This list included: tonsils, coccyx (tail bone), thymus, little toe, male nipples, ear nodes, pineal gland, adenoids, appendix, wisdom teeth, parathyroid, ear muscles, body hair, and the nictitating membrane of the eye.

[bodyrocks1on1]

Please explain Why do Snakes have a hip bone? The boa has remnants of hind leg bones AND a hip bone! Please Explain this????????????

[wallidjan]

Since the compilation of Wiedersheim's list at the end of the 19th century, we have discovered important biological functions for every one of these so-called vestigial organs. Roy Hartenstein comments on the human appendix: "Long regarded as a vestigial organ with no function in the human body, the appendix is now thought to be one of the sites where immune responses are initiated." (Grolier Encyclopedia, 1998.)

[Atriviality]

"we have discovered important biological functions for every one of these so-called vestigial organs"

- Really?

Then what IS the function of the male nipple?

[bodyrocks1on1]

when you try to prove your point you will find or direct the evidence! As man in video dose. Rather we should search for truth through fact. If you adopt fact as your ideology you can remove opinion from your belief! There is a lot of Fact supporting Evolution! There is no Fact supporting a God!

[bodyrocks1on1]

man in video is missing that if life forms were all created by God, that it is certainly NO God that we have ever heard of in any of our religions. its certainly not the God of the bible as the story of bible is not consistent with historical fact. If it was a God then that God has not made himself known to us! For no religion has told stories of prehistoric or Jurassic life! when bible was written man didnt know how long wev been here therfor they couldnt write a story that would hold in time.

[sablechicken]

bodyrocks1on1, The Bible tells about what we call Jurassic life. Just because Richard Dawkins says that it is certainly not the God of the Bible, you should check it out for yourself, don't believe Dawkins.

[Atriviality]

"The Bible tells about what we call Jurassic life."

- Where specifically?

[sablechicken]

Job 41

[Atriviality]

"Job 41"

- A crocodile?

Well, yes. Crocodiles did exist in the Jurassic period. They were slightly different than the ones we have today, having a fish-like tail instead of a tapered ones we see today.

[wallidjan]

And also, the things of varying colors He has created for you in the earth. There is certainly a sign in that for people who pay heed. It is He who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it and bring out from it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships cleaving through it so that you can seek His bounty, and so that perhaps you may show thanks. (Quran)

[Atriviality]

"It is He who made the sea subservient to you"

- Really? So the next time a tsunami is about to hit, I can tell it to go away and it will stop, turn around and leave me alone?

[wallidjan]

Everything around us is proving the existence of God, can any body imagine a building without constructor? Or a cake without a baker? A car without manufacturer? how then to accept the existence of the universe without a maker? simple logic

[Atriviality]

It would be like imagining, lightning without Thor, or sunrise without Apollo, or snowflakes without Edward Scissorhands. The possibility of those things coming about naturally without those individuals just boggles the mind, so it must be impossible.

[wallidjan]

Something had to design it all and then put it into motion. That is beyond our ability to do, yet it is something that we can understand.

We don't have to see an artist to recognize a painting, correct? So, if we see paintings without seeing artists painting them, in the same way, we can believe that Allah created everything without having to see Him (or touch, or hear, etc.).

[Atriviality]

Science doesn't work with belief. Science works with observations. If you can't observe God, Allah, or Brahma, then they aren't used in science.

Science is always potentially falsifiable. What would prove a deity, fairies, or invisible pink unicorns didn't exist?

In science, attributing anything to an unobservable being, is lazy science. The equivalent of saying, "I don't know. It must have been elves."

[Tahnz86]

What would prove a god doesnt exist?? Proof that the universe came about by natural processes would make me disbelief in a creator... but that has not been proved... the more they try and get evidence for natural processes the more obvious they can see there is a designer. God bless :)

[Atriviality]

For example?

[Tahnz86]

For example: The Design in nature - (It was either unintended and by chance, or was intended and designed specifically) I know which one sounds ludicrous to me..Also Complex and Specified Information (CSI), DNA, Irreducible complexity, Information... are all just a few examples :)

[Atriviality]

Ah, I see someone's been getting their science from the Discovery Institute (who have never discovered anything, and have never even tested their ideas).

"The Design" in nature comes about through differential reproductive success. We've watched that happen for millennia. All agriculture depends on it, and we've also witnessed it in the wild.

[wallidjan]

That is He, the All Knower of the unseen and the seen, the All Mighty, the Most Merciful. Who made everything He has created good, and He began the creation of man from clay. (7) Then He made his offspring from semen of dispised water (male and female sexual discharge). Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allâh for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give! (Quran Final testament from God)

[bodyrocks1on1]

I studied the bible extensively, where in the bible dose it tell about Jurassic life? what chapter? what verse?

[sablechicken]

Job 41

[misericordiamihi]

Evolution is fact not theory.

[yourboycal]

show me laws of evolution if they got evolution on lock down and call it fact like you claim =) .. oh and that new fossil they found .. why are they labelling it missing link ... if we already found the missing links? please do some reserach noob

[misericordiamihi]

They obviously hadn't found the missing links or they wouldn't be calling the new find one would they you jackass.

I'm pretty sure the scientists are much more intelligent/sophisticated and generally smarter than you and would not be making such claims unless it was scientically proven.

Maybe you should do your research first,

then you'll find out the truth,

ie that evolution is the one and only reason why we are here.

[yourboycal]

lol listien here noob .. why dont you check out some debates of evolutionists vs creationsits before opening your big mouth ... when the missing links question comes up they go we have all the evidence in the fossil record .. pointing that missing links have been found already .. and every species we see today is proof for evolution .. if you dont know the differnce i reccomend google .. or maybe you should watch some debates k thnx .. go back to bed sparky

[misericordiamihi]

'sparky'? really charming

So if there is all of this evidence then why don't you believe in it?

I'm going to guess that you believe that the world was created in seven days and all us rational and normal people know that this is physically impossible. There are plenty of arguments against the MISTAKEN theory of design, eg 'botched design', 'blind design', 'apparent design' etc.

Maybe you should type these into google before you open your big mouth and go back to bed...

nighty night motherfucker.

[yourboycal]

first of another one of your pre concieved notions that im a young earth creationists .. WRONG billy ! ... hahaha botched designs lol .. all this beautiufl creation around you is flawed ? i beg to differ .. good sir ^^ the evidence points to creation not evolution this is what is fact .. and the fossil record proves this fact .. what else besides fossil record can u see history with ?" NOTHING .. but your hearsay

[Atriviality]

"and the fossil record proves this fact .. what else besides fossil record can u see history with"

- Genetics. Geology. Radiology. Astronomy.

[Atriviality]

"I'm pretty sure the scientists are much more intelligent/sophisticated and generally smarter than you and would not be making such claims unless it was scientically proven."

- Actually, scientists don't "prove" anything. They more accurately attempt to disprove everything. Anything currently accepted in science has not yet been disproven. That does not mean it has been proven.

[misericordiamihi]

Whatever,

I'm obviously never going to convince you and you are never going to convince me so don't bother replying.

[Atriviality]

"I'm obviously never going to convince you and you are never going to convince me"

- But that's how science works. Scientists observe facts. Then they develop a hypothesis that explains the facts. Then they develop a test that will fail if the hypothesis is wrong. Then they do the test. If it doesn't fail, they give it to others to test. If it doesn't fail for them either, and there is no better explanation, the hypothesis might become a theory.

That's the scientific method.

[misericordiamihi]

So are you an evolutionist or a creationist?

[Atriviality]

"So are you an evolutionist or a creationist?"

- I'm a science...ist.

[yourboycal]

you no nothing about science ....science is observable and testable in the natural world .. evolution is a belief because we cant demonstrate it or show it

[Atriviality]

"you no nothing about science ....science is observable and testable in the natural world .."

- I'm pretty sure I just said that.

"evolution is a belief because we cant demonstrate it or show it"

- Except we have for thousands of years. It's a key ingredient in farming.

[Atriviality]

"show me laws of evolution"

- Mendelian inheritance and the Hardy-weinberg law.

"oh and that new fossil they found .. why are they labelling it missing link ... if we already found the missing links?"

- Yes, after they're found, we can't say they're "missing" anymore.

"please do some reserach noob"

- Yes, please do.

[yourboycal]

atriviality thinks he knows what hes talking about .. when he has no clue what science is nothing about evolution is testable or demonstratable they've tried to evolve many species ... time after time it failed and failed and failed .. all we have is adaptation and thats what there confusing evolution for silly =)

[Atriviality]

"nothing about evolution is testable or demonstratable"

- Ever hear of paternity testing?

"they've tried to evolve many species ... time after time it failed and failed and failed"

- and when we succeed, we usually farm it.

"all we have is adaptation and thats what there confusing evolution"

- You have no idea what evolution is, do you.

[yourboycal]

mendelian deals with inheritance ..... Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium =

No evolution

No natural selection

No adapting

No genetic change

No change in frequency distribution of polymorphic alleles

So are any populations actually in Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium? Biologists say NO. Hardy-Weinberg lets us calculate a frequency distribution "control" or null model for estimating rates of evolution

now i ask you ... laws of evolution plz

[Atriviality]

"Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium"

- The Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium is also known as the HardyWeinberg principle, and the HardyWeinberg law. It states that both allele and genotype frequencies in a population remain constant from generation to generation unless specific disturbing influences are introduced. Because it is an ideal state, it provides a baseline to measure genetic change against.

"now i ask you ... laws of evolution plz "

- Do you even know what a scientific law is?

[yourboycal]

i think your missing alot of scientific laws .. .and the differnce between peer reviewed and hearsay =p your stuck on hearsay  my friend

[Atriviality]

"i think your missing alot of scientific laws"

- Yes. That's because the text limit is 500 characters.

"and the differnce between peer reviewed and hearsay =p your stuck on hearsay my friend"

- This is non sequiter.

And you still have not demonstrated that you understand what a scientific law is.

[Atriviality]

The fact of evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is a theory. The fact is just the natural process. The theory explains how the natural process works.

[yourboycal]

you cant predict evolution .. you cant show me gradual steps for a living cell to take shape .. you cant prove anything .. nothing you say can be tested...millions of test have been tried to create life from non life .. it hasnt happened .. please stop spreading your fairy tale and putting science behind it .. it makes me sick... you darwinisits are really something else ... its scienism now =)

[Atriviality]

"you cant predict evolution"

- Influenza vaccine development.

"you cant show me gradual steps for a living cell to take shape"

- watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE (3 min 34 sec into it)

"millions of test have been tried to create life from non life .. it hasnt happened"

- Wanna bet? BTW, this isn't evolution. It's abiogenesis.

"please stop spreading your fairy tale and putting science behind it .. it makes me sick."

- Yes please stop.

You should stop listening to that university dropout Harun Yahya.

[yourboycal]

llooooool you confused little man ... theese things your showing is not evolution .. i think you need to research what evolution is about .. first time i've debated a evolutionists who has no clue what hes talking about lmfo that video you sent me doess not show gradul steps for living cells to take shapes are you kidding me ?? i hope everyone can check that video that he claimis shows gradual steps...haha ...

yea stay away from abiogenesis lol like all evolutionists

[Atriviality]

"theese things your showing is not evolution"

- The development of influenza vaccines makes use of the predictive power of evolutionary theory. Abiogenesis is not evolution. You spreading the university dropout, Harun Yahya's fairy tale does make me sick.

"i think you need to research what evolution is about"

- Yes you do.

"lmfo that video you sent me doess not show gradul steps for living cells to take shapes"

- If you saw video, what was the name of the thing being formed?

[yourboycal]

an explanation for same phenomenon that is based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning ...evolution you cant observe it ..certainly tried the experiments with the flies and failed .. and reasoning is only your pre concieved notion that it was evolutoion .. all dont fall under scientific law .. your video i've seen that guys series on it ..that one was talkign about formation of amino acids .. nd dna or rna formation ..the best evidence for ID is in fossil record no doubt about it =)

[Atriviality]

"an explanation for same phenomenon that is based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning"

- What is? What are you talking about?

"evolution you cant observe it"

- Except in farming, genealogy, the fossil record, a biology laboratory. Basically anywhere where you can see a record of populations reproducing.

"certainly tried the experiments with the flies and failed"

- What SPECIFICALLY were they testing with the flies?

[Atriviality]

"all dont fall under scientific law"

- Define what you think a "scientific law" is.

"your video i've seen that guys series on it ..that one was talkign about formation of amino acids .. nd dna or rna formation"

- Go to the part I specified. "the best evidence for ID is in fossil record no doubt about it =)"

- And that is? Species that died out because they were intelligently designed to do so?

[yourboycal]

hey atriviality i have pro evolution videos for people like you to learn in my youtube channel ... please subscribe and learn =)

[Saukko31]

As it has been repeated again and again, NOT "all of a sudden", the cambrian explosion took several million years. We are talking about geological timespans. If you can only rely on misrepresentations and people's ignorance, you are not very solid ground.

Neither of the two Coelacanth species alive today are similar to the fossil Coelacanths. Coelacanth is an Order, not a species.

Half wing is better than quarter wing and so on.

[yourboycal]

Where you there during the cambrian period ? is our dating tools actually accurate enough to know what happened ? no so stfu with your fairy tale darwinism ... science is what we can test observe in the natural world .. not your bullshit hearsay

[Saukko31]

Actually, the evidence was there, evidence that we ca test and observe. And our dating tools are accurate enough, thank you.