Well another way of change is making enough money to start it,not have to be subjective to any government...,You need to change the system from the inside ou havent t we learned already from history...changing from the outside results in conflict...so what you really should be focussing on is making a company,monetize as much as possible...buy labor...but without any stockholders to account for...independent...
In a RBE the new currency would be knowledge. We would spend our time and energy acquiring knowledge rather than money and cars and cheap plastic toys. Our social status would be based on what we know rather than what we own. Unfortunately we were all born about 100 years too early to see this utopian society. bummer :(
nobody is ever gona do shit about it... u can talk all the shit you want but you will still remain a slave abide by their rules & not ever do shit all people do is talk shit... they never do anything about it... u will watch these filmsand open your mind but u will do absolutely nothing... u will continue to browse the web and keep taking this great big american dick dats bein shoved up ur ass everyday. PERIOD. cuz all you can do is talk but not walk it... just keep showing up to those JOBS...
with Computers like "WATSON" developed by IBM, I dont think, there will be any need for humans as innovators or researchers, because computers with artificial intelligence can do it faster and better than humans. These computers should rule the world rather than a human
with Computers like "WATSON" developed by IBM, I dont think, there will be any need for humans as innovators or researchers, because computers with artificial intelligence can do it faster and better than humans.
It is amazing, the only obstacle I see is the transition. Not everyone in this world has the intellectual capacity to make it happen smoothly and people are afraid of the unknown which this new idea is. I will do my part to educate, everyone should do the same.
The day mankind sets aside greed and absolute power... we may come together as a people and live in a resource based economy where we can all live in peace. All people would be equal regardless of job or social status. The current monatary system must collapse first and essentially knocking us back to the dark ages..... the Builderburg, Rothchilds, and many others will not let this happen and will try and wipe us out.
@Soulfree2008 I know it doesn't have to do with money. I'm just saying in order to create a RBE, it needs to be in an area that is large enough to sustain a population because it contains 1. Trained Personnel 2. Resources 3. Available technology and infrastructure, and is small enough to get people to cooperate and move men and materials to create a RBE. The whole world concept is very very naive, the best shot is to at least start somewhere in the middle (not too small, not too large)
@Soulfree2008 Not really, your quality of life can be directly related to extraneous energy conversion like your refrigerator(saves your food) The computer(for communication). Does TVP make refrigerators, stove tops, and cars(or bikes) in order to sustain the population? There is a reason why PJ says the issues are Technical(Which is straight copy and paste from the Technocracy Movement), cause the only thing that allows for a better life is application of Technology which requires resources.
The root of the word Technocracy and its meaning come from the word technique. The root of this word is the Greek, techne ("art","craft", or "skill"), which linguists have further traced to the Indo-European root, teks - (to weave, or fabricate). From the earliest times, technique has been distinguished from other modes of human action by its purposive, rational, step-by-step way of doing things. In the Technate design, this means administration by science or fact. Come on PJ why no mention?
The only possible way to for the world to realize and appreciate the resource based economy is to begin practicing it. Maybe start with a small city and do whatever the venus project talks about. If it really is viable more and more people will want to change to that system and give up the current corrupted monetary system.
@geniusjas87 See, this is why I don't like ZM or TVP and their version of an RBE. There is a very big reason why a small city can't function as an RBE. One...most likely there aren't enough resources to sustain a high quality of life. Second...you need to establish another money system outside the "RBE" within the area to gain resources.(how would you get money to get other resources outside the area?)
@dfirekm Sorry, but you are very ill informed. Recently, fresco even came out and said TVP can't work in a small area. You need an area that has trained people, resources, and infrastructure to create a sustainable RBE. Also, TVP's and ZM's "ideas" aren't specifically workable even if you have a large land mass like North America as a starting point. You NEED an administration, which both sides neglect, and you need to disregard "morals" or "values" and stick SPECIFICALLY to science.
@newb2yutube Hence you would need a lot of money to start the project's test city initially. A LOT of money (Billions, perhaps even more), but it could work as a starting point.
@Xenogenocide Yes, that is certainly a possibility, but still a long shot. I would rather wait for the system to collapse. If you operated it with money, then when the price system goes bye bye, how will it continue to operate? There will be confusion. When Technocracy was popular during the 30's and 40's, it was thought that an emergency management system could be installed to lead to an RBE. That's when the early FEMA system was put in place, by technocrats. Now, the politicians changed it.
@geniusjas87 The smallest area that would be able to sustain a RBE would have to be United States AND Canada. You could also throw in Greenland and mexico...basically all of North America would keep a good QOL. Now this is only possible because we have the technology, resources, and most importantly the trained personnel able to apply said technology. North America contains a large portion of many resources and the only other place that contains a bit more is Russia.
If you or any body else take an interest in ZM or TVP I highly suggest you take a look at the original movement that spawned these ideas...Technocracy Technate design. The technocracy movement began in the 20's and had many influential members and admirers such as M. King Hubbert(member), H.G. Wells(admirer) and even Einstein had professed interest in the movement until going on about his own things(physics). It's kinda sad that PJ and even Fresco(who was a member) never mentions Technocracy.
zeitgeist is like your pill to get out of the matrix... after u see it u have the choice.. come back to the matrix or take other ppl out of it.. most ppl in the world will turn their heads the other way... this is our goal to find and reach more and more ppl and infact make as much "agent smiths" (in a good way) as we can.. spread the word guys!!
Sure this is a nice thought, but it is soooo long from our reality today that it will not get through until 200 years from now and will bring civil wars, deaths and destruction. So ask yourself the question, is it worth this? Or can we live as we do today with a corrupt society with economical gaps and so on?
@Madwexx The current system is alienating enough people to start the insurrection and civil war that you talk about, so the answer to your last question is no. I would like to see TVP, or something similar, succeed because it has the potential to give us all the prosperity we are entitled to, without significant violence.
@sctl It has the potential to succeed but on what cost? And how long will this take? I personally think that this is a very nice idea and I would back it up a 100% if it was going through with in my lifetime but on the first step is for one of the 5 ruling "countries" in the world to admit defeat and really taking this project into consideration. China, USA, Russia, Japan or Europe. - Those are the key factors to our worlds development and future...
@Madwexx These are the right questions, and TVP will not succeed until a critical mass of the world's people have answered these questions to their satisfaction.
@Madwexx all it takes is the people to realize it. Look at the French Revolution. The only thing it took was 99% of the people to realize they were being manipulated, persecuted, and basically ignored.
and do you think todays capitalists and businessmen will just hand back the resources they have to the world for free and live in a small plastic house hehe this is pure marxism but managing the world based on resources makes sense
the resource based economy makes sense..however no money ...same houses etc sound a bit like future communism and far fetched...dont think people would like or accept being all the same...people like being different and striving for status and domination on others...thats part of nature
@MarkCaru You may not realize it being brainwashed by society and all, but our current situation is exactly what you describe. No money (except on payday), same houses (tract homes). You can take 2 people from different parts of the country and chances are, they think the same, sound the same, watch the same TV shows etc. Most people are stuck in their situation, so they have limited choices. Even if their fairly well off, they are married to their job or business and can't just up and leave.
@MarkCaru humans have lived without money for a very long tim (before it was invented) and thinking we will all life in the same houses is just retarted... in this system conformity is far worse then it will be in a recourse based economy. in a resource based economy you can be different because nobody is controlling you. nobody has anything to gain to get people to "buy" clothes (which will not be possible) from one particular brand. for example.
there will always be differences in character, but a lot of societ'ies problems now are not beeing solved,or even try to solve.. unless it benefits the economy.
problems = profits... solving problems = real profits.. not in a material way
The idea that humanity needs a system that has ranks/status is ancient thinking, This altruistic presumption that we automatically live for others, is a huge fallacy.
The economy couldn't be working without that u just said, only we have a piece of paper that says we have the right to buy what ever others have produced,or worked for w/e the case...
My question to u is, why have money ?.. so u wouldn't do that for people if u didn't get paid ?..
I only see this as prophetic pseudoscience.I have no problem with this I speak of such prophetic and philosophical things, but I think he should have used some statistics and science to back it up rather than standing on the merit of the thoughts themselves. He says hence too much as well. Um the only way to leave out military is international unity... ppl will do atrocities & a means to deal with it is needed (AI can't judge morals people can). The center of the city seems like a cluster fuck.
Yeah we can use an integral fast reactor (like France and other countries); a more efficient nuclear power plant that actually has manageable waste (a much shorter half life). We can also use it for desalinization. If you actually speak with knowledgeable people (preferably ones with a PHD in a respective field), or do research you'll find that nuclear IS the way to go; literally 100x cleaner than coal. Please don't come at it with preconceived notions and do the research for yourself.
(cont.) Anyway, point is that individuals create! This altruistic presumption that we automatically live for others, is a huge fallacy. A huge problem with communism and socialism is exactly that they don't realize that human kind is "selfish". And there is nothing wrong with that - we are built like it for a reason! People should read up on Ayn Rand - no one proved this point better than her. It is of course far more complex than I can write here on youtube. I do good to good people, bt not bad
Hmmzz, u know if u would starve animals especially animals that live in packs or a herd,
and u want to feed them by hand u will see how a organism works..
Every living thing can be selfish.. but that's not genetically determined.. it's how hard the enviroment is where they live in... U mentioned communism wich is a very good example.. communism is no different then any other system.. system's are not build around a harmonic society..
...(cont.) Well, he is wrong. The human kind is "selfish", in the lack of a better word. We think and act out of self interest. The problem is, that most people automatically think this is negative. Forgetting that our conscience is a huge part of our ego. By doing good to others, I feel good myself. However, we are not naturally altruistic! And there are plenty of people who are psychopathic. Law has to be used to protect us from these "fiends"...
This is in all honesty communist utopia - futuristic communism. I can't even begin to slaughter it on youtube. But it is only necessary to watch the clip from 1:11:45 and out. He actually does mention one of the huge flaws and critique - and notice how he doesn't answer it! He points to soldiers - DRONES WORKING FOR A LEADER as an example. And then continues to mumble about a naive basic socialist idea - that we live for each other. And he refuses to think we can't live like that...
In order for this to be successful a second layer of the world needs to be created focusing on these values, while also understanding our current position and where we need to go.
The most important thing for this Utopia though to succeed is education... lots and lots of education... however this will not work in the presence of mass ignorance... or indeed in the presence of various religions (which some of you may or may not choose to combine with the word ignorance).
There are only two truthful points of view that can be taken on this subject
1. I'm all right Jack so I don't care.
2. We won't be all right Jack so how can I help?
The world will lean one way or another and ultimately this may lead to a vast reduction in the human population in favour of certain countries based upon geography and power, or a near Utopia, or a huge object from space hits the planet and we are done for no matter what!
I kinda like doing work though... I love mowing lawns (mostly cuz i get to ride on mowers lol) but i TOTALLY see the benefit of mechanization, the problem is the transition from this society to the next...
You are an individiual and you are one with all at the same time! This is my favourite line. Everything we do effects everyone around us and this is even if we do nothing or even are locked away... it affects everyone else. Thats just life. :-)
Just noticed a huge floor... if the trains run through the middle all the time wont it make a lot of noise? How can you concentrate in a school or medical centre when the place is vibrating or loud from the trains...
@RightHookJoker - there still at the speeds there talking would be a huge amount of force pushing off the trains that would cause vibrations... these vibrations would shake the place... there is no way this can be stoped really as its the air pressure coming off the trains... this would shake the place down at this speed... seriously they would have to slow right right down way before they got in to the station to stop this from been a problem.
People cooperate massively in a true free market even more-so than the current un-free market. What doesn't cooperate is government doesn't cooperate with the consent of the governed.. Government thrives on initiatory force. The rest of us cooperate by honoring the non-aggression principle.
Government is men and women providing services at the point of a gun. Prime Law and the Twelve Visions Party is the solution. The private Federal Reserve uses government at the point of a gun to maintain its monopoly.
Destructive monopolies only exist where initiatory force is permitted. Without initiatory force a monopoly that moves toward value destruction will be out-competed in a true free market.
The first thing we would do with a pristine Earth is, do nothing to the earth. Rather, the first thing we would do is prohibit initiatory force, threat of force and fraud.
No person, group of persons or government shall initiate force, threat of force and fraud against any individual's self, property or contract. Force may be morally and legally used in self-defense against those that violate the preceding sentence/article. No exceptions shall exists.
i should of said its about a change in the way we think and view the earth and people. the cities are not the problem, they can be made easily. id say it will take maybe 100 to 200 years before we see this type of society. maybe your kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, will be living in this type of world. who really knows.
Even when i was 3 years old i knew that the solution to the starving children was for the people who had the food and money to share it with the ones that did not and I was shocked that it was still not done by the time i was 6. GREED and MONEY must GO altogether. All ya need is a veggie garden and a clean river, not all this plastic crap ! LOVE U Mr Fresco, and u too Mr Joseph (are u married ?) Ma kinda mayn :)
Even when i was 3 years old i knew that the solution to the starving children was for the people who had the food and money to share it with the ones that did not and I was shocked that it was still not done by the time i was 6. GREED and MONEY must GO altogether. All ya need is a veggie garden and a clean river, not all this plastic crap ! LOVE U Mr Fresco, and u too Mr Joseph xxxx
@newisd Exactly, we will have no use at all. I am not saying all women will come to that conclusion, but if you think about it this is not as preposterous as it sounds. Many women look for stability and this is why they try to be with the best "provider" possible. In the western world this may not be as cut and dry, but in many countries this is generally the basic concept behind finding a partner. But, I don`t want to get too far ahead, because the original question has not been answered.
@MarkCaru A match making service? No way. It is either Logan`s Run style or I am out. Just remember Beautiful women are the most important natural resource in the world.
@alikhandaghabadi A good question. I pondered this myself the other day, and the conclusion is that the way we impress the ladies, is to shine, to find something you are good at and do it well.
@sctl I love how people are still replying to this comment. Something you are good at...for example something like making lots of money....., but seriously I bet most people are good at lots of things, so if you meet the right person who is actually impressed by what you are good at and you like them too then it might work out.
The only thing I would add is that Peter should stop saying things are “really simple.” While I understand that he’s saying that things are not as complex as they appear to be, society is very complex, and thus little is as simple as it should be.
This is thorough presentation. The best I’ve heard on the subject in years. I’m taking notes and putting together a smaller, say 10 minute, Powerpoint version of this. I will keep it on my iPad to present when I’m in conversation with people who don’t mind listening to it. To me, this is one of the easiest activities we can do is educate people—one to one, small and large groups. Peter provides a wealth of info and analysis that we can use and revise to educate one another.
to those of you that seem to believe money creates incentive. Your wrong. I work for humanitarian aid, i have undertaken many assignments that i didn't get paid, and of all the jobs ive had prior, ive never felt happier and more self full-filled that helping people in need. The venus project would be a great change for humanity, and although it may not be perfect to start with, it will become more so when we see how our lives are elevated and our consciousness expanded.
@5032sac We need to bring many people together and start this new society by small range.... there will be many many many more people who will join us........
Jacque Fresco & Peter Joseph have dedicated their lives to solutions while most of the rants we hear from other economists, politicians and news reporters only focus on societal problems and temporal profitable band-aids.
Brilliant lecture, I'm convinced. My only issue is that I can't see how the focus on creating long lasting sustainable goods such as phones and cars etc is compatible with the exponential growth of information technology. In other words, designing a car to last 70+ years doesn't take into account the huge changes in vehicle technology that are likely to occur during that time...I guess a constant updating and recycling of technology is the answer and I'm all up for that...
@Rhimeson yeah, its mentioned at about 30:24 that all products are designed to be environmentally safe and recyclable, so I assume all outdated products are indeed recycled and updated, via an automated system.
@TheWhoat Very well said. I would also like to point out that in an RBE there will be no posessions. So you don't have a garage where you keep "your" car. The cars are constatly used, therefore reducing their overall numbers. And when a new technology is introduced, that enhances the vehicle's capabilities, the old models will be systematically pulled out of circulation and be upgraded/recycled, releasing the new model in it's place.
@GuerrillaFighter12 "Cybercracy coupled with a meritocracy" are forms of Government. The movement rejects Government. I understand, some people have a hard time envisioning that.
They should make a movie explaining this shit with david attenborough or morgan friedman or someone narrating :D thatd convince people. Not that peter joseph isnt a great speaker but, you know... he sounds too smart for most of the world.
Around 1:11:00 you begin to talk about the practical implementation of these Project Venus system. My question is how do you expect them to succeed, when history has shown us that some military organization backed by business's interest will undoubtedly wage war on this new "threat"?
Around 1:11:00 you begin to talk about the practical implementation of these Project Venus system. My question is how do you expect them to succeed, when history has shown us that some military organization backed by business's interest will undoubtedly wage war on this new "threat"?
Damn this makes a lot of sense if you truly listen. "Who makes the decisions?" How are those decisions arrived at (meaning, what method is used to consider the decision) and are those decisions relevant to the well being of the human race. Which is more efficient? An opinion.., or a scientific approach that considers all relevant data for the decision to be made.
Hi TZM, Peter Josephs thought exercise has a spreadsheet of energy, renewablity and pollution. Im not sure if it is intentional or not, but he got WAVE twice on there.
If not intentional, please advise him. Best Wishes.
I can see how some people find the Venus project kind of scary, and it has to do with the fact that is so different. But in the 1800s all families had a huge home and at least 10 family members live there, I can see how it would scare them if you came back and told them that in the future most people live in a small apartment and you would pretty much not get to see your family till night time, and your far relatives years at a time.
@jimbarrow If we build a toothbrush that is customizable, self cleaning, anti-bacterial and lasts for one-hundred years. Your whole family can use this one. Would you still want to own one? :)
I can also imagine that toothbrushes are a inferior design for solving the dirty teeth problem, existing only to ensure cyclical consumption for the industry.
We can probably come up with something much more efficient. Ultrasonic soundwave emitters like the Star Trek sonicshower.
@GuerrillaFighter12 You assume that having a job is the highest social goal. That is completely untrue and a fabrication by our current society. The womens liberation movement brainwashed mothers into believing that they needed to abandon their children and go and work some menial job in order to be "fulfilled". Being a good parent is one of the highest social goals in my opinion. A good parent contributes to society without working for someone else.
@rdlineberry I've watched both zeitgeist and numerous interviews & been won over by a lot of the arguments, I'm still not entirely convinced.
What goals wuld people achieve? surely they'd be some in society who control things and those who don't, computers can't do everything, would corruption still exist? If nothing is scarce or worth anything would there be great artists anymore for instance - a lot of the reason they're known is their scarcity & value & are treasured for other reasons
@MegaJay79 Great artists such as Van Gogh and Cezanne never sold a single painting in their lives. Their motivation was to bring out something within themselves and show others. In other words, their motivation was art.
Yes, corruption would still exist in one form or another. So would murder and rape.
@rdlineberry Yes your right they didn't sell much at the time but yrs later because they were scarce they had worth and their name became famous and their work recognized. I don't see how this would happen in a resource based system...
Also I don't see how people could improve their position in life. It would be scientists/engineers runnin things. If you have no work/money what do you strive for, how can you progress in society, wouldn't you be suck?
@MegaJay79 The motivation to create the art was not money. Otherwise they would have tried selling their paintings. As far as later in the future when the art dealers sold the paintings, that had nothing to do with the creation of the art. The art dealers didn't create the art, the artists did.
You also fail to recognize that thousands of people paint, sculpt and create other forms of art as a hobby. Creating art is joyful. It's the same with music.
@rdlineberry Yes I realize this. I write songs and illustrate and I don't do it for money, but that wasn't my point.
The reason you know of Turner, Dali, Van Gogh and recognize their greatness is because their work was sought after because it was worth something. Right or wrong their value stems from worth and scarcity and is one of the the reasons their work is talked about. If people didn't want to own it, buy it you would never have heard about it.
@MegaJay79 "If nothing is scarce or worth anything would there be great artists anymore for instance", was your original point. I say yes there would be. And there would be even more art, music and other forms of culture and entertainment. People would have more time to pursue the creation of art, music, theater etc. People would still get recognition for great accomplishments. Museums would still exist and the curators would still choose the best works they can find to display in their museums.
@rdlineberry Of course there would be great culture still being made but think about what makes people well known and how we come to hear about and learn about the greats.
@rdlineberry Nothing is black or white. The women's movement raised awareness of women that we had to question our passiveness and condition of subservience to "the perfect husband". It questioned myths that harmed US because we had mothers who were unaware. Humanity progresses slowly but surely.
@maryamakiling I never mentioned domestic partnerships. I'm giving a voice to the children. That is the side that is rarely voiced. The Venus Project gives parents both mother and father more time to interact and nurture their children. Today, we have single mother's working 2 jobs who never see their children and wonder why they're so hostile.
I will end all debates by saying Political Science, Sociology, Economics, Psychology are soft sciences based on perception not facts meaning they are meant to achieve an agenda trough orthodoxy eg left vs right. Socialism vs liberalism .... blah blah blah...
@GuerrillaFighter12 Wrong kinda 02-06 US Navy E-5 currently in Grad School. This Quote was taken from Napoleon Bonaparte you know a poor kid from Corsica whom married into the Habsburg Dynasty and became Emperor of France and liberated a small continent called caught caught ... America from the Spanish crown and exiled the Portuguese king to Brasilia. Not everyone in this world has WASP values. Did you know economics is a soft science meaning its based on perception not facts.
@GuerrillaFighter12 And I guess lastly to address what you've mentioned, the advocacies of the venus project are not those of Utopia. Our civilisation is a work in progress- always has been- and we're only at the beginning. A RBE model is just a lot better than what we have now. And as our understanding grows so must our sense of community and oneness, or we'll destroy one another. Because the problems we all share are our only real problems
@GuerrillaFighter12 Also, with money out of the picture, and food, products, homes provided to all, in exactly what way do people then gain power over others? If you own nothing, you cannot restrict access to other people, therefore there is no relative advantage.Money perverts technology e.g. mobile communications=good; producing a million competing phones that all do the same thing, yet don't offer what you'll get in 6 months, so you get a new one, produces large scale waste and is inefficient
@Iamthenoi In a discussion on Facebook, I asked if locks would exist in the Venus Project if everything is common heritage. The earth is a finite place. There are limits to the amount of any material you could name. If we reach those limits under the Venus Project, would it not be possible to hoard and secure resources? If it is, then how do we render such behaviour insignificant to other individuals' needs?
@GuerrillaFighter12 A couple of things: Those who don't contribute - so what? There are millions of poeple on this planet doing NOTHING useful right now to further us- including you and including me. we let these people live because their non-contribution doesn't stop progress carried out by a clever few. contribution really comes from knowledge accumulated over time building on past work. The motivation for good ideas is inherent, and not generated by money
The city of Yokohama in Japan has many of the features shown in this presentation and Singapore also. Singapore was envisioned/ planned by Sir Stamford Raffles but sadly is a Banking/ trading hub of SE Asia till this day and Santosa Island is a great vacation destination.
@GuerrillaFighter12 A soldier will risk his life on a battlefield for a ribbon. The Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Gates, Buffet...... are giving away their fortunes to charity. Why? as human beings we are social creatures and we seek approval and recognition. Imagine walking down the street with a congressional medal of honor on your neck and your peers looking at you with admiration and respect.
@GuerrillaFighter12 << If they never find a "useful" way to contribute then no worries, as long as there's still abundence to take care then so what? Besides "usefulness" and "contribution" also come in the form of the daily interactions you have with other people that develop you as a person and help foster ideas. Is music not useful for making people think? Does a mother not contribute simply by instilling ideas into a child. Loafers are only a problem if they take a scare resource.
@GuerrillaFighter12 I don't know what your occupation, but employed people generally fall into 2 categories: 1)the lucky ones who have found their niche, and enjoy their work and would probably do it without pay even they could at least eat and live somewhere 2)the unlucky ones who work cus they need the money but actually hate their job. so people in group 1 are already taken care of, group 2 people will be free to persue their individual interests until they find some way to contribute>>
@GuerrillaFighter12 The society advocated by the venus project isn't devoid of emotion or judgement as you imagine. Wouldn't it be a good idea to feed and house everyone in the world? My emotion is empathy, and my judgement based on the possibility of creating the reality. We will use our human judgement in the future to design the most sensible products and cities for everyone's well being and betterment, creativity not apathy. And cooperation to these ends will serve us better than competition
@GuerrillaFighter12 You raise a lot of valid questions, many answers to which can be found in several Jaque Fresco interviews-I recommend viewing a few. There are enough resources (if used sensibly) to house everyone. Where you live is entirely your choice, it can be your favorite city, or a city where people of similar interest gather to work on a social problem (i.e. vehicle design hubs). You'll also be free to move whenever, but whether u get a new house (from scratch) depends on resources
Nothing that we can do or will do will change our nation for the better. If we revolt, we will either crush the government and kill our nation or lose to the government and be oppressed even further, for our country is founded under corruption. We are shown from the day we gulp our first breath to our deathbed a "perfect" lifestyle that we spend a lifetime to obtain. We are already sheep. We can do nothing but hope that whatever the government is doing, it's for the good of all of us.
An issue that can escalate and debunk the venus project (or a perfect society) is "love". As soon as one has to out shine another for the reason of courtship (or any reason be it alltruistic or not) the entire society will revert back over time to what we have currently (or worse haha). As long as there is a want for anything, person, idea or respect, anything "we" as a life form will adapt causing the adaptations of others and it will spread (cause and effect).
wind energy is inefficient due to the land mass needed to power - let's say a small town -.You would need more than 40 times the landmass of the town to put up enough windmills to harness anything beneficial.
@ulispointofview Wind energy is not inefficient, and even if you need the space, build it in the sea. Jaque Fresco talks often about this kind of criticism - to point out the problem but offer no solution is helps nothing. I recommend you watch a video entitled 'our technical reality' which will show you our energy needs can already be exceeded by renewable sources. Instead we CO2 tax people and hike electricity prices - another example of pointing out the problem but not providing the solution
41:30 "They contribute because it's in their best interest to contribute [..] Everything is for the greater good."
This is called communism, it has been tried with less than optimal results. In all honesty, the system he's describing is better than what we have, and we should try to gravitate closer to it over the next few centuries, but thinking it can be implemented overnight is mindbogglingly naive. You would need to be functionally retarded to think that would work.
@Stormwern This has failed before in the USSR and China because both societies were not advanced industrial which was a key point made by Marx. Both revolutions were led not by skilled workers but peasants instead. Just as Marx predicted socialism has become accepted by the masses and implemented into our government policy trough FDR's social contract. Eg social security. Communism when written in the 1800's was not progressive but rather nostalgic of country living over the urban model.
@dinamo4889 Urban model meaning urbanization and industrialization. I can talk about this all day lol this man is a progressive in the modern sense unlike progressives of the 19th century that practiced Eugenics.
@neovota2 we have to change because in the monetary system as you can see there is more war that ever, more people starving than ever, more dishonesty that ever
I wish he would have addressed communism more. Is there no incentive to get people off their couches and work on engineering better systems and technology, which his system is dependent on?
Also, I'm very doubtful of his analysis that we really can eliminate scarcity in the near future. Though it is still an intriguing notion, a society without scarcity.
How can we avoid the malthusian apocalypse? Which is that population will continue to increase beyond the world's capacity to sustain.
I for one think you're just a well meaning guy who unfortunately lacks some crucial info on how the world works and on the nature of life (or darwinian systems). Otherwise you'd be able to recognize on your own that your utopian model is impracticable. You're a smart guy and I'm sure you know this is not an attack on your person.
This too is a purely technical matter so keep researching!
This eloquent mental & verbal exercise by Peter is a sort of application of the old saying.
Do onto others as you would like that others do onto you.
Treat your neighbor like you would like to be treated by your neighbor.
Strange is the fact that spiritual business, called RELIGION, divides and separates.
Individual mind opening intentions is to often squashed by the established spiritual businesses.
What is a sovereign ?
What are you ?
Do good
EveSansdieu 2 weeks ago
Together, having an intent based arrowed sovereignty of individuals world over.
Symbiosis of social evolution with the environment and existence needs world over.
World agriculture distributed for needs and eliminating hunger and lack of food deaths.
Putting automated technology to the service of all individuals around the world.
Education integrated in an open scientific method based experience world round.
Any good idea seems utopian when living in a type of hell based on fear.
Change.
EveSansdieu 2 weeks ago
@axe863 Indeed. A predestined, scripted existence that you fit into quite nicely.
Now go back to sleep and die a slave.
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axe863 2 months ago
Well another way of change is making enough money to start it,not have to be subjective to any government...,You need to change the system from the inside ou havent t we learned already from history...changing from the outside results in conflict...so what you really should be focussing on is making a company,monetize as much as possible...buy labor...but without any stockholders to account for...independent...
WilliamNaville 2 months ago
In a RBE the new currency would be knowledge. We would spend our time and energy acquiring knowledge rather than money and cars and cheap plastic toys. Our social status would be based on what we know rather than what we own. Unfortunately we were all born about 100 years too early to see this utopian society. bummer :(
timmaahhyy1 3 months ago
Woo I went to this lecture. :D Wow, I didn't realize how similar the info in Moving Forward is to this.
renoo27 5 months ago
Everybody needs to see this lecture and think....awesome..
Asimovsfuture 5 months ago
Like when the foetus leaves its mother's womb as one single organism.
I feel one day the human species will leave mother Earth as one single organism.
And I also feel that we will leave with the utter most respect for this planet, so other species can one day leave as well.
ManlySlut 6 months ago
subtitles?
Herbarius 6 months ago
I have a dream now! Thank you.
TheDarkFenix 6 months ago
nobody is ever gona do shit about it... u can talk all the shit you want but you will still remain a slave abide by their rules & not ever do shit all people do is talk shit... they never do anything about it... u will watch these filmsand open your mind but u will do absolutely nothing... u will continue to browse the web and keep taking this great big american dick dats bein shoved up ur ass everyday. PERIOD. cuz all you can do is talk but not walk it... just keep showing up to those JOBS...
jd3092003 6 months ago
with Computers like "WATSON" developed by IBM, I dont think, there will be any need for humans as innovators or researchers, because computers with artificial intelligence can do it faster and better than humans. These computers should rule the world rather than a human
sreeshankarlal 7 months ago
with Computers like "WATSON" developed by IBM, I dont think, there will be any need for humans as innovators or researchers, because computers with artificial intelligence can do it faster and better than humans.
sreeshankarlal 7 months ago
It is amazing, the only obstacle I see is the transition. Not everyone in this world has the intellectual capacity to make it happen smoothly and people are afraid of the unknown which this new idea is. I will do my part to educate, everyone should do the same.
Diablo99V 7 months ago
Only 25,000 views. I reckon Googletube has been meddling with the views.
Xenogenocide 7 months ago
@Xenogenocide
C'mon, you really don't believe in that stuff. Do you?
newb2yutube 7 months ago
@newb2yutube Well, I dunno man. I don't know what to believe anymore. I know I want an alternative to the system, that's for sure!
Xenogenocide 7 months ago
of course its some dumb, probably ugly as fuck, bitch that wants to start yelling out while this guy is talking
MoKillaGorilla 8 months ago
Our future generations will laugh at us!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They will say:look how they were primitive!!!!!
iberianful 8 months ago
wow
rektator 9 months ago
You have my vote!!!!
buddha1a 9 months ago
The day mankind sets aside greed and absolute power... we may come together as a people and live in a resource based economy where we can all live in peace. All people would be equal regardless of job or social status. The current monatary system must collapse first and essentially knocking us back to the dark ages..... the Builderburg, Rothchilds, and many others will not let this happen and will try and wipe us out.
buddha1a 9 months ago
@Soulfree2008 I know it doesn't have to do with money. I'm just saying in order to create a RBE, it needs to be in an area that is large enough to sustain a population because it contains 1. Trained Personnel 2. Resources 3. Available technology and infrastructure, and is small enough to get people to cooperate and move men and materials to create a RBE. The whole world concept is very very naive, the best shot is to at least start somewhere in the middle (not too small, not too large)
newb2yutube 9 months ago
@Soulfree2008 Not really, your quality of life can be directly related to extraneous energy conversion like your refrigerator(saves your food) The computer(for communication). Does TVP make refrigerators, stove tops, and cars(or bikes) in order to sustain the population? There is a reason why PJ says the issues are Technical(Which is straight copy and paste from the Technocracy Movement), cause the only thing that allows for a better life is application of Technology which requires resources.
newb2yutube 9 months ago
The root of the word Technocracy and its meaning come from the word technique. The root of this word is the Greek, techne ("art","craft", or "skill"), which linguists have further traced to the Indo-European root, teks - (to weave, or fabricate). From the earliest times, technique has been distinguished from other modes of human action by its purposive, rational, step-by-step way of doing things. In the Technate design, this means administration by science or fact. Come on PJ why no mention?
newb2yutube 9 months ago
The only possible way to for the world to realize and appreciate the resource based economy is to begin practicing it. Maybe start with a small city and do whatever the venus project talks about. If it really is viable more and more people will want to change to that system and give up the current corrupted monetary system.
geniusjas87 10 months ago
@geniusjas87 See, this is why I don't like ZM or TVP and their version of an RBE. There is a very big reason why a small city can't function as an RBE. One...most likely there aren't enough resources to sustain a high quality of life. Second...you need to establish another money system outside the "RBE" within the area to gain resources.(how would you get money to get other resources outside the area?)
newb2yutube 9 months ago
@newb2yutube there is no money to get, and there are enough resources its all about how you use them and which ones you decided to use
dfirekm 8 months ago
@dfirekm Sorry, but you are very ill informed. Recently, fresco even came out and said TVP can't work in a small area. You need an area that has trained people, resources, and infrastructure to create a sustainable RBE. Also, TVP's and ZM's "ideas" aren't specifically workable even if you have a large land mass like North America as a starting point. You NEED an administration, which both sides neglect, and you need to disregard "morals" or "values" and stick SPECIFICALLY to science.
newb2yutube 8 months ago
@newb2yutube Hence you would need a lot of money to start the project's test city initially. A LOT of money (Billions, perhaps even more), but it could work as a starting point.
Xenogenocide 7 months ago
@Xenogenocide and I say "start", meaning that after that the project could completely cut themselves off from the monetary system thereafter.
Xenogenocide 7 months ago
@Xenogenocide Yes, that is certainly a possibility, but still a long shot. I would rather wait for the system to collapse. If you operated it with money, then when the price system goes bye bye, how will it continue to operate? There will be confusion. When Technocracy was popular during the 30's and 40's, it was thought that an emergency management system could be installed to lead to an RBE. That's when the early FEMA system was put in place, by technocrats. Now, the politicians changed it.
newb2yutube 7 months ago
@geniusjas87 The smallest area that would be able to sustain a RBE would have to be United States AND Canada. You could also throw in Greenland and mexico...basically all of North America would keep a good QOL. Now this is only possible because we have the technology, resources, and most importantly the trained personnel able to apply said technology. North America contains a large portion of many resources and the only other place that contains a bit more is Russia.
newb2yutube 9 months ago
If you or any body else take an interest in ZM or TVP I highly suggest you take a look at the original movement that spawned these ideas...Technocracy Technate design. The technocracy movement began in the 20's and had many influential members and admirers such as M. King Hubbert(member), H.G. Wells(admirer) and even Einstein had professed interest in the movement until going on about his own things(physics). It's kinda sad that PJ and even Fresco(who was a member) never mentions Technocracy.
newb2yutube 9 months ago
zeitgeist is like your pill to get out of the matrix... after u see it u have the choice.. come back to the matrix or take other ppl out of it.. most ppl in the world will turn their heads the other way... this is our goal to find and reach more and more ppl and infact make as much "agent smiths" (in a good way) as we can.. spread the word guys!!
lets get out of the matrix
immortal6699 10 months ago 2
Sure this is a nice thought, but it is soooo long from our reality today that it will not get through until 200 years from now and will bring civil wars, deaths and destruction. So ask yourself the question, is it worth this? Or can we live as we do today with a corrupt society with economical gaps and so on?
Madwexx 10 months ago
@Madwexx The current system is alienating enough people to start the insurrection and civil war that you talk about, so the answer to your last question is no. I would like to see TVP, or something similar, succeed because it has the potential to give us all the prosperity we are entitled to, without significant violence.
sctl 6 months ago
@sctl It has the potential to succeed but on what cost? And how long will this take? I personally think that this is a very nice idea and I would back it up a 100% if it was going through with in my lifetime but on the first step is for one of the 5 ruling "countries" in the world to admit defeat and really taking this project into consideration. China, USA, Russia, Japan or Europe. - Those are the key factors to our worlds development and future...
Madwexx 5 months ago
@Madwexx These are the right questions, and TVP will not succeed until a critical mass of the world's people have answered these questions to their satisfaction.
sctl 5 months ago
@Madwexx all it takes is the people to realize it. Look at the French Revolution. The only thing it took was 99% of the people to realize they were being manipulated, persecuted, and basically ignored.
Get it?
systemlink93 3 months ago
and do you think todays capitalists and businessmen will just hand back the resources they have to the world for free and live in a small plastic house hehe this is pure marxism but managing the world based on resources makes sense
MarkCaru 10 months ago
the resource based economy makes sense..however no money ...same houses etc sound a bit like future communism and far fetched...dont think people would like or accept being all the same...people like being different and striving for status and domination on others...thats part of nature
MarkCaru 10 months ago 2
@MarkCaru True.
Madwexx 10 months ago
@MarkCaru You may not realize it being brainwashed by society and all, but our current situation is exactly what you describe. No money (except on payday), same houses (tract homes). You can take 2 people from different parts of the country and chances are, they think the same, sound the same, watch the same TV shows etc. Most people are stuck in their situation, so they have limited choices. Even if their fairly well off, they are married to their job or business and can't just up and leave.
rdlineberry 10 months ago
@MarkCaru humans have lived without money for a very long tim (before it was invented) and thinking we will all life in the same houses is just retarted... in this system conformity is far worse then it will be in a recourse based economy. in a resource based economy you can be different because nobody is controlling you. nobody has anything to gain to get people to "buy" clothes (which will not be possible) from one particular brand. for example.
jorn1233 6 months ago
@MarkCaru 'Thats part of nature' (sic) until that part of nature faces a challenge and is defeated.
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MarkCaru 10 months ago
there will always be differences in character, but a lot of societ'ies problems now are not beeing solved,or even try to solve.. unless it benefits the economy.
problems = profits... solving problems = real profits.. not in a material way
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
We can't live for eachother ?.. and how do u think the monetary system works ?
everything he says would be the same, only there is no money,no difference in status,no difference in resources..
It seems that people that have no interest in about thinking about this actaully are talking about themselves.. u enjoy your status,ur superiority ?..
There is no other reason then u having that feeling,if not then why think u know how people work ? < -- that's communism,socialism..
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
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The idea that humanity needs a system that has ranks/status is ancient thinking, This altruistic presumption that we automatically live for others, is a huge fallacy.
The economy couldn't be working without that u just said, only we have a piece of paper that says we have the right to buy what ever others have produced,or worked for w/e the case...
My question to u is, why have money ?.. so u wouldn't do that for people if u didn't get paid ?..
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
I only see this as prophetic pseudoscience.I have no problem with this I speak of such prophetic and philosophical things, but I think he should have used some statistics and science to back it up rather than standing on the merit of the thoughts themselves. He says hence too much as well. Um the only way to leave out military is international unity... ppl will do atrocities & a means to deal with it is needed (AI can't judge morals people can). The center of the city seems like a cluster fuck.
jbetenbender 10 months ago
@jbetenbender One last thing to note: what about natural selection, eugenics (can simply be exclusion not murder), population control etc.
jbetenbender 10 months ago
Yeah we can use an integral fast reactor (like France and other countries); a more efficient nuclear power plant that actually has manageable waste (a much shorter half life). We can also use it for desalinization. If you actually speak with knowledgeable people (preferably ones with a PHD in a respective field), or do research you'll find that nuclear IS the way to go; literally 100x cleaner than coal. Please don't come at it with preconceived notions and do the research for yourself.
jbetenbender 10 months ago
We are the change
Jordancameron001 10 months ago
(cont.) Anyway, point is that individuals create! This altruistic presumption that we automatically live for others, is a huge fallacy. A huge problem with communism and socialism is exactly that they don't realize that human kind is "selfish". And there is nothing wrong with that - we are built like it for a reason! People should read up on Ayn Rand - no one proved this point better than her. It is of course far more complex than I can write here on youtube. I do good to good people, bt not bad
Badfellah 11 months ago
@Badfellah
Hmmzz, u know if u would starve animals especially animals that live in packs or a herd,
and u want to feed them by hand u will see how a organism works..
Every living thing can be selfish.. but that's not genetically determined.. it's how hard the enviroment is where they live in... U mentioned communism wich is a very good example.. communism is no different then any other system.. system's are not build around a harmonic society..
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
...(cont.) Well, he is wrong. The human kind is "selfish", in the lack of a better word. We think and act out of self interest. The problem is, that most people automatically think this is negative. Forgetting that our conscience is a huge part of our ego. By doing good to others, I feel good myself. However, we are not naturally altruistic! And there are plenty of people who are psychopathic. Law has to be used to protect us from these "fiends"...
Badfellah 11 months ago
This is in all honesty communist utopia - futuristic communism. I can't even begin to slaughter it on youtube. But it is only necessary to watch the clip from 1:11:45 and out. He actually does mention one of the huge flaws and critique - and notice how he doesn't answer it! He points to soldiers - DRONES WORKING FOR A LEADER as an example. And then continues to mumble about a naive basic socialist idea - that we live for each other. And he refuses to think we can't live like that...
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Badfellah 11 months ago
This is true fascinating.
Xenthoid 11 months ago
In order for this to be successful a second layer of the world needs to be created focusing on these values, while also understanding our current position and where we need to go.
yuri35435 11 months ago
This is the true change - not Obama's quarters and nickles. This is the true wake-up, not the reptillian stuff.
BqlNegur 11 months ago
where can I join this movement in the UK?
kerbal666 11 months ago
alguien de Argentina mirando esto?
Is anyone from Argentina watching this vid?
flchange 11 months ago
It sounds like the pre-requisite for such economy is a new planet, like it's impossible to do it on our own planet.
freitasnetuno 11 months ago
The most important thing for this Utopia though to succeed is education... lots and lots of education... however this will not work in the presence of mass ignorance... or indeed in the presence of various religions (which some of you may or may not choose to combine with the word ignorance).
dudemusicspace 11 months ago
There are only two truthful points of view that can be taken on this subject
1. I'm all right Jack so I don't care.
2. We won't be all right Jack so how can I help?
The world will lean one way or another and ultimately this may lead to a vast reduction in the human population in favour of certain countries based upon geography and power, or a near Utopia, or a huge object from space hits the planet and we are done for no matter what!
Simple as.
dudemusicspace 11 months ago
@TheaDragonSpirit - Trains can be run through a vaccuum environment to seriously reduce the amount of air pressure and movement.
Let's focus on awareness.
ThatGuyEd1 11 months ago
Thank you.
jesscott85 11 months ago
I kinda like doing work though... I love mowing lawns (mostly cuz i get to ride on mowers lol) but i TOTALLY see the benefit of mechanization, the problem is the transition from this society to the next...
a10fjet 11 months ago
You are an individiual and you are one with all at the same time! This is my favourite line. Everything we do effects everyone around us and this is even if we do nothing or even are locked away... it affects everyone else. Thats just life. :-)
TheaDragonSpirit 1 year ago
Just noticed a huge floor... if the trains run through the middle all the time wont it make a lot of noise? How can you concentrate in a school or medical centre when the place is vibrating or loud from the trains...
TheaDragonSpirit 1 year ago
@TheaDragonSpirit Most likely the trains would be the magnetic ones
RightHookJoker 1 year ago
@RightHookJoker - there still at the speeds there talking would be a huge amount of force pushing off the trains that would cause vibrations... these vibrations would shake the place... there is no way this can be stoped really as its the air pressure coming off the trains... this would shake the place down at this speed... seriously they would have to slow right right down way before they got in to the station to stop this from been a problem.
TheaDragonSpirit 1 year ago
These lectures are better than the films...
JRD123456 1 year ago 9
@JRD123456 completely agree.. there should be more focus on them. They should be put up on the websites next to the films
rodvinsky 11 months ago
This is great. Very true and clear.
EatYourChimp 1 year ago
People cooperate massively in a true free market even more-so than the current un-free market. What doesn't cooperate is government doesn't cooperate with the consent of the governed.. Government thrives on initiatory force. The rest of us cooperate by honoring the non-aggression principle.
zonsb 1 year ago
Peter says ownership is useless?! You don't own the wedding ring on your finger. You don't own the responsibility of raising your baby.
zonsb 1 year ago
You own yourself. So there, you own property.
zonsb 1 year ago
Government is men and women providing services at the point of a gun. Prime Law and the Twelve Visions Party is the solution. The private Federal Reserve uses government at the point of a gun to maintain its monopoly.
Destructive monopolies only exist where initiatory force is permitted. Without initiatory force a monopoly that moves toward value destruction will be out-competed in a true free market.
zonsb 1 year ago
The first thing we would do with a pristine Earth is, do nothing to the earth. Rather, the first thing we would do is prohibit initiatory force, threat of force and fraud.
No person, group of persons or government shall initiate force, threat of force and fraud against any individual's self, property or contract. Force may be morally and legally used in self-defense against those that violate the preceding sentence/article. No exceptions shall exists.
Google: Prime Law.
zonsb 1 year ago
Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy was perhaps an inspiration here.
sharomanet 1 year ago
i should of said its about a change in the way we think and view the earth and people. the cities are not the problem, they can be made easily. id say it will take maybe 100 to 200 years before we see this type of society. maybe your kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, will be living in this type of world. who really knows.
boppzz 1 year ago
hagelian diaklektic. tech n.w.o.
Lik2012 1 year ago
Even when i was 3 years old i knew that the solution to the starving children was for the people who had the food and money to share it with the ones that did not and I was shocked that it was still not done by the time i was 6. GREED and MONEY must GO altogether. All ya need is a veggie garden and a clean river, not all this plastic crap ! LOVE U Mr Fresco, and u too Mr Joseph (are u married ?) Ma kinda mayn :)
blisssis 1 year ago
Even when i was 3 years old i knew that the solution to the starving children was for the people who had the food and money to share it with the ones that did not and I was shocked that it was still not done by the time i was 6. GREED and MONEY must GO altogether. All ya need is a veggie garden and a clean river, not all this plastic crap ! LOVE U Mr Fresco, and u too Mr Joseph xxxx
blisssis 1 year ago
dreams nothing more
our Masters will continue to rule us in accord with the system that they have created
no human or group of humans will change that fact
it is our fate
I will serve the Masters all the days of my life and so will you
TheEruditepolymath 1 year ago
@TheEruditepolymath What a load of preverbial shit! Don't listen to this guy, NEVER be afraid to dream!
matthewthetuite 1 year ago
How will we meet women without money?
Seriously.
alikhandaghabadi 1 year ago
@alikhandaghabadi hahahahahaha
yourmajezty 1 year ago
@alikhandaghabadi What makes you think they'll be interested in money when they can get all their trinkets for free at the distribution center? :-)
newisd 1 year ago
@newisd Exactly, we will have no use at all. I am not saying all women will come to that conclusion, but if you think about it this is not as preposterous as it sounds. Many women look for stability and this is why they try to be with the best "provider" possible. In the western world this may not be as cut and dry, but in many countries this is generally the basic concept behind finding a partner. But, I don`t want to get too far ahead, because the original question has not been answered.
alikhandaghabadi 1 year ago
@alikhandaghabadi your computer will find you the most suitable match hehe
MarkCaru 10 months ago
@MarkCaru A match making service? No way. It is either Logan`s Run style or I am out. Just remember Beautiful women are the most important natural resource in the world.
alikhandaghabadi 10 months ago
@alikhandaghabadi A good question. I pondered this myself the other day, and the conclusion is that the way we impress the ladies, is to shine, to find something you are good at and do it well.
sctl 6 months ago
@sctl I love how people are still replying to this comment. Something you are good at...for example something like making lots of money....., but seriously I bet most people are good at lots of things, so if you meet the right person who is actually impressed by what you are good at and you like them too then it might work out.
alikhandaghabadi 6 months ago
The only thing I would add is that Peter should stop saying things are “really simple.” While I understand that he’s saying that things are not as complex as they appear to be, society is very complex, and thus little is as simple as it should be.
bakari45 1 year ago
This is thorough presentation. The best I’ve heard on the subject in years. I’m taking notes and putting together a smaller, say 10 minute, Powerpoint version of this. I will keep it on my iPad to present when I’m in conversation with people who don’t mind listening to it. To me, this is one of the easiest activities we can do is educate people—one to one, small and large groups. Peter provides a wealth of info and analysis that we can use and revise to educate one another.
bakari45 1 year ago
to those of you that seem to believe money creates incentive. Your wrong. I work for humanitarian aid, i have undertaken many assignments that i didn't get paid, and of all the jobs ive had prior, ive never felt happier and more self full-filled that helping people in need. The venus project would be a great change for humanity, and although it may not be perfect to start with, it will become more so when we see how our lives are elevated and our consciousness expanded.
delsol00000 1 year ago 6
I hope that I live to see the day when these concepts come to fruition.
IHighLikePlane 1 year ago 28
Why aren't more people all over this? I'm ready to dedicate everything to the awareness and progression of this movement ....
5032sac 1 year ago 33
@5032sac Get active and get your local cinema to show the third documentary Zeitgeist: Moving Forward. World premier: January 15th
I'm doing Amsterdam and am expecting at least 3 cinemas to show now, hopefully many more following.
Contact a local chapter of the zeitgeist movement for details or get them to get those.
sethli2 1 year ago
@5032sac We need to bring many people together and start this new society by small range.... there will be many many many more people who will join us........
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AlexanderrrL 1 year ago
Jacque Fresco & Peter Joseph have dedicated their lives to solutions while most of the rants we hear from other economists, politicians and news reporters only focus on societal problems and temporal profitable band-aids.
SeekTruthTV 1 year ago 4
Brilliant lecture, I'm convinced. My only issue is that I can't see how the focus on creating long lasting sustainable goods such as phones and cars etc is compatible with the exponential growth of information technology. In other words, designing a car to last 70+ years doesn't take into account the huge changes in vehicle technology that are likely to occur during that time...I guess a constant updating and recycling of technology is the answer and I'm all up for that...
Rhimeson 1 year ago
@Rhimeson yeah, its mentioned at about 30:24 that all products are designed to be environmentally safe and recyclable, so I assume all outdated products are indeed recycled and updated, via an automated system.
TheWhoat 1 year ago
@TheWhoat Very well said. I would also like to point out that in an RBE there will be no posessions. So you don't have a garage where you keep "your" car. The cars are constatly used, therefore reducing their overall numbers. And when a new technology is introduced, that enhances the vehicle's capabilities, the old models will be systematically pulled out of circulation and be upgraded/recycled, releasing the new model in it's place.
newisd 1 year ago
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@GuerrillaFighter12 "Cybercracy coupled with a meritocracy" are forms of Government. The movement rejects Government. I understand, some people have a hard time envisioning that.
rdlineberry 1 year ago
They should make a movie explaining this shit with david attenborough or morgan friedman or someone narrating :D thatd convince people. Not that peter joseph isnt a great speaker but, you know... he sounds too smart for most of the world.
votesage 1 year ago
Fantastic!
LAsolsken 1 year ago
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Around 1:11:00 you begin to talk about the practical implementation of these Project Venus system. My question is how do you expect them to succeed, when history has shown us that some military organization backed by business's interest will undoubtedly wage war on this new "threat"?
Eggsampull 1 year ago
Around 1:11:00 you begin to talk about the practical implementation of these Project Venus system. My question is how do you expect them to succeed, when history has shown us that some military organization backed by business's interest will undoubtedly wage war on this new "threat"?
Eggsampull 1 year ago
Damn this makes a lot of sense if you truly listen. "Who makes the decisions?" How are those decisions arrived at (meaning, what method is used to consider the decision) and are those decisions relevant to the well being of the human race. Which is more efficient? An opinion.., or a scientific approach that considers all relevant data for the decision to be made.
silversobe 1 year ago
One of the few men worthy of being in a politics. Shame it won´t happen..Great work, im extremely inspired! Thanks Peter
hewey999 1 year ago
Hi TZM, Peter Josephs thought exercise has a spreadsheet of energy, renewablity and pollution. Im not sure if it is intentional or not, but he got WAVE twice on there.
If not intentional, please advise him. Best Wishes.
TBG1984 1 year ago
I can see how some people find the Venus project kind of scary, and it has to do with the fact that is so different. But in the 1800s all families had a huge home and at least 10 family members live there, I can see how it would scare them if you came back and told them that in the future most people live in a small apartment and you would pretty much not get to see your family till night time, and your far relatives years at a time.
Ramiromasters 1 year ago
What a guy!
wocketdm 1 year ago
Good points. But one request. Can I still have my own toothbrush?
jimbarrow 1 year ago
@jimbarrow If we build a toothbrush that is customizable, self cleaning, anti-bacterial and lasts for one-hundred years. Your whole family can use this one. Would you still want to own one? :)
I can also imagine that toothbrushes are a inferior design for solving the dirty teeth problem, existing only to ensure cyclical consumption for the industry.
We can probably come up with something much more efficient. Ultrasonic soundwave emitters like the Star Trek sonicshower.
Synarious 1 year ago
Peter Joseph for president of.... the world!
markec123 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 You assume that having a job is the highest social goal. That is completely untrue and a fabrication by our current society. The womens liberation movement brainwashed mothers into believing that they needed to abandon their children and go and work some menial job in order to be "fulfilled". Being a good parent is one of the highest social goals in my opinion. A good parent contributes to society without working for someone else.
rdlineberry 1 year ago 66
@rdlineberry I've watched both zeitgeist and numerous interviews & been won over by a lot of the arguments, I'm still not entirely convinced.
What goals wuld people achieve? surely they'd be some in society who control things and those who don't, computers can't do everything, would corruption still exist? If nothing is scarce or worth anything would there be great artists anymore for instance - a lot of the reason they're known is their scarcity & value & are treasured for other reasons
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 Great artists such as Van Gogh and Cezanne never sold a single painting in their lives. Their motivation was to bring out something within themselves and show others. In other words, their motivation was art.
Yes, corruption would still exist in one form or another. So would murder and rape.
rdlineberry 1 year ago
@rdlineberry Yes your right they didn't sell much at the time but yrs later because they were scarce they had worth and their name became famous and their work recognized. I don't see how this would happen in a resource based system...
Also I don't see how people could improve their position in life. It would be scientists/engineers runnin things. If you have no work/money what do you strive for, how can you progress in society, wouldn't you be suck?
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 The motivation to create the art was not money. Otherwise they would have tried selling their paintings. As far as later in the future when the art dealers sold the paintings, that had nothing to do with the creation of the art. The art dealers didn't create the art, the artists did.
You also fail to recognize that thousands of people paint, sculpt and create other forms of art as a hobby. Creating art is joyful. It's the same with music.
rdlineberry 1 year ago
@rdlineberry Yes I realize this. I write songs and illustrate and I don't do it for money, but that wasn't my point.
The reason you know of Turner, Dali, Van Gogh and recognize their greatness is because their work was sought after because it was worth something. Right or wrong their value stems from worth and scarcity and is one of the the reasons their work is talked about. If people didn't want to own it, buy it you would never have heard about it.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@MegaJay79 "If nothing is scarce or worth anything would there be great artists anymore for instance", was your original point. I say yes there would be. And there would be even more art, music and other forms of culture and entertainment. People would have more time to pursue the creation of art, music, theater etc. People would still get recognition for great accomplishments. Museums would still exist and the curators would still choose the best works they can find to display in their museums.
rdlineberry 1 year ago 3
@rdlineberry Of course there would be great culture still being made but think about what makes people well known and how we come to hear about and learn about the greats.
MegaJay79 1 year ago
@rdlineberry Nothing is black or white. The women's movement raised awareness of women that we had to question our passiveness and condition of subservience to "the perfect husband". It questioned myths that harmed US because we had mothers who were unaware. Humanity progresses slowly but surely.
maryamakiling 11 months ago
@maryamakiling I never mentioned domestic partnerships. I'm giving a voice to the children. That is the side that is rarely voiced. The Venus Project gives parents both mother and father more time to interact and nurture their children. Today, we have single mother's working 2 jobs who never see their children and wonder why they're so hostile.
rdlineberry 11 months ago
@rdlineberry
It's actually the r00t,the kernel of life ( human life but also animals )..
Mother that give up their child mostly is due to money problems, every feeling their body says not to, but do it for the good of the child..
thumbs up
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
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MarkCaru 10 months ago
excellent work peter!
strawprophet 1 year ago
I will end all debates by saying Political Science, Sociology, Economics, Psychology are soft sciences based on perception not facts meaning they are meant to achieve an agenda trough orthodoxy eg left vs right. Socialism vs liberalism .... blah blah blah...
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 Wrong kinda 02-06 US Navy E-5 currently in Grad School. This Quote was taken from Napoleon Bonaparte you know a poor kid from Corsica whom married into the Habsburg Dynasty and became Emperor of France and liberated a small continent called caught caught ... America from the Spanish crown and exiled the Portuguese king to Brasilia. Not everyone in this world has WASP values. Did you know economics is a soft science meaning its based on perception not facts.
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 And I guess lastly to address what you've mentioned, the advocacies of the venus project are not those of Utopia. Our civilisation is a work in progress- always has been- and we're only at the beginning. A RBE model is just a lot better than what we have now. And as our understanding grows so must our sense of community and oneness, or we'll destroy one another. Because the problems we all share are our only real problems
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 Also, with money out of the picture, and food, products, homes provided to all, in exactly what way do people then gain power over others? If you own nothing, you cannot restrict access to other people, therefore there is no relative advantage.Money perverts technology e.g. mobile communications=good; producing a million competing phones that all do the same thing, yet don't offer what you'll get in 6 months, so you get a new one, produces large scale waste and is inefficient
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
@Iamthenoi In a discussion on Facebook, I asked if locks would exist in the Venus Project if everything is common heritage. The earth is a finite place. There are limits to the amount of any material you could name. If we reach those limits under the Venus Project, would it not be possible to hoard and secure resources? If it is, then how do we render such behaviour insignificant to other individuals' needs?
sctl 6 months ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 A couple of things: Those who don't contribute - so what? There are millions of poeple on this planet doing NOTHING useful right now to further us- including you and including me. we let these people live because their non-contribution doesn't stop progress carried out by a clever few. contribution really comes from knowledge accumulated over time building on past work. The motivation for good ideas is inherent, and not generated by money
Iamthenoi 1 year ago 33
The city of Yokohama in Japan has many of the features shown in this presentation and Singapore also. Singapore was envisioned/ planned by Sir Stamford Raffles but sadly is a Banking/ trading hub of SE Asia till this day and Santosa Island is a great vacation destination.
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 A soldier will risk his life on a battlefield for a ribbon. The Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Gates, Buffet...... are giving away their fortunes to charity. Why? as human beings we are social creatures and we seek approval and recognition. Imagine walking down the street with a congressional medal of honor on your neck and your peers looking at you with admiration and respect.
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 << If they never find a "useful" way to contribute then no worries, as long as there's still abundence to take care then so what? Besides "usefulness" and "contribution" also come in the form of the daily interactions you have with other people that develop you as a person and help foster ideas. Is music not useful for making people think? Does a mother not contribute simply by instilling ideas into a child. Loafers are only a problem if they take a scare resource.
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 I don't know what your occupation, but employed people generally fall into 2 categories: 1)the lucky ones who have found their niche, and enjoy their work and would probably do it without pay even they could at least eat and live somewhere 2)the unlucky ones who work cus they need the money but actually hate their job. so people in group 1 are already taken care of, group 2 people will be free to persue their individual interests until they find some way to contribute>>
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 The society advocated by the venus project isn't devoid of emotion or judgement as you imagine. Wouldn't it be a good idea to feed and house everyone in the world? My emotion is empathy, and my judgement based on the possibility of creating the reality. We will use our human judgement in the future to design the most sensible products and cities for everyone's well being and betterment, creativity not apathy. And cooperation to these ends will serve us better than competition
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
@GuerrillaFighter12 You raise a lot of valid questions, many answers to which can be found in several Jaque Fresco interviews-I recommend viewing a few. There are enough resources (if used sensibly) to house everyone. Where you live is entirely your choice, it can be your favorite city, or a city where people of similar interest gather to work on a social problem (i.e. vehicle design hubs). You'll also be free to move whenever, but whether u get a new house (from scratch) depends on resources
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
Nothing that we can do or will do will change our nation for the better. If we revolt, we will either crush the government and kill our nation or lose to the government and be oppressed even further, for our country is founded under corruption. We are shown from the day we gulp our first breath to our deathbed a "perfect" lifestyle that we spend a lifetime to obtain. We are already sheep. We can do nothing but hope that whatever the government is doing, it's for the good of all of us.
HarmonyHarmonyOhLove 1 year ago
An issue that can escalate and debunk the venus project (or a perfect society) is "love". As soon as one has to out shine another for the reason of courtship (or any reason be it alltruistic or not) the entire society will revert back over time to what we have currently (or worse haha). As long as there is a want for anything, person, idea or respect, anything "we" as a life form will adapt causing the adaptations of others and it will spread (cause and effect).
DarosDevine 1 year ago
Fresco's 93? Whatever he's on - I gotta get me some!
Nickolosomo 1 year ago
wind energy is inefficient due to the land mass needed to power - let's say a small town -.You would need more than 40 times the landmass of the town to put up enough windmills to harness anything beneficial.
ulispointofview 1 year ago
@ulispointofview Wind energy is not inefficient, and even if you need the space, build it in the sea. Jaque Fresco talks often about this kind of criticism - to point out the problem but offer no solution is helps nothing. I recommend you watch a video entitled 'our technical reality' which will show you our energy needs can already be exceeded by renewable sources. Instead we CO2 tax people and hike electricity prices - another example of pointing out the problem but not providing the solution
Iamthenoi 1 year ago
THIS IS A WIN!
bevon17 1 year ago
so good
goolsa 1 year ago
41:30 "They contribute because it's in their best interest to contribute [..] Everything is for the greater good."
This is called communism, it has been tried with less than optimal results. In all honesty, the system he's describing is better than what we have, and we should try to gravitate closer to it over the next few centuries, but thinking it can be implemented overnight is mindbogglingly naive. You would need to be functionally retarded to think that would work.
Stormwern 1 year ago
@Stormwern This has failed before in the USSR and China because both societies were not advanced industrial which was a key point made by Marx. Both revolutions were led not by skilled workers but peasants instead. Just as Marx predicted socialism has become accepted by the masses and implemented into our government policy trough FDR's social contract. Eg social security. Communism when written in the 1800's was not progressive but rather nostalgic of country living over the urban model.
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@dinamo4889 Urban model meaning urbanization and industrialization. I can talk about this all day lol this man is a progressive in the modern sense unlike progressives of the 19th century that practiced Eugenics.
dinamo4889 1 year ago
@Stormwern yeah your right. we are talking your kids,kids,kids,kids,kids maybe. 100 years or so. good point.
boppzz 1 year ago
Peter Joseph is correct, but how would we transition back to a monetary system IF this one doesn't work?
neovota2 1 year ago
@neovota2 we have to change because in the monetary system as you can see there is more war that ever, more people starving than ever, more dishonesty that ever
jogis159 1 year ago
I can't help but think about the movie 'Brazil' when I listen to this fantasy.
tarossi400 1 year ago
united nations is a dictatorship
ADULTEDUCATION4U 1 year ago
I wish he would have addressed communism more. Is there no incentive to get people off their couches and work on engineering better systems and technology, which his system is dependent on?
Also, I'm very doubtful of his analysis that we really can eliminate scarcity in the near future. Though it is still an intriguing notion, a society without scarcity.
How can we avoid the malthusian apocalypse? Which is that population will continue to increase beyond the world's capacity to sustain.
slurpeeday 1 year ago
This would also weed out those who don't want to go to work. They can be left to their masterbatory pursuits like the presidency.
EsCurve 1 year ago
finally we will have time for me to beat you at M:TG!
EsCurve 1 year ago
I for one think you're just a well meaning guy who unfortunately lacks some crucial info on how the world works and on the nature of life (or darwinian systems). Otherwise you'd be able to recognize on your own that your utopian model is impracticable. You're a smart guy and I'm sure you know this is not an attack on your person.
This too is a purely technical matter so keep researching!
lk3hjduio 1 year ago