We as railfans must band together to support the effort to restore Amtrak service between New Orleans and Orlando. The government cant simply let Amtrak "indefinitely suspend" this service forever! Let's do something about it. Contact your senators and/or Representative now. Don't let your voices be unheard!
This woman never stops the truck or that red Grand Am. Plus she never once ever signals any of the traffic to stop. She doesn't know what she is doing at all.
The truck driver is not at fault. Most people don't know what this woman is doing. If the gates are up and a train isn't moving people are going to drive across. Not everyone knows what that woman is doing. She isn't using hand signals at, just standing there. You railroad knobbers need to get over yourselves. And if you watched the whole video you notice the gates were working fine.
She had a red flag in her hand and he didn't even slow him down!!! Does he drive the same way in construction zones? Everyone else seemed to get it, they stopped. Also, the train blew its horn three or four times!!! This guy would fail the commercial driving test in every state!
Ohh, and let's not forget why the gates weren't working in the first place, a trucker who has no place behind the wheel ran into them making an illegal turn!
Driver: oh look, a train crossing I know I can't make it over but what the hell, I'll do it anyway. What's this? Someone with a red flag? Well, she isn't important. I'll just run her over!
she was standing right there, she had to move to get out of the way of the fucking truck,,,,,are you guys blind? the male truck driver saw a female who was more imprtant than he,,,,,the poor thang,,,,,that's the only reason he went thru. hope his wife divorced him after that lol
@bfs1888 And? The trucker is supposed to know that a dope just standing there has something to do with the train? She made no stopping gesture nor did she use her flag to indicate she was controlling traffic. I would bet that if he knew about this video, not only would he be cleared, she would have been reprimanded.
Hmm, looks like the truck stopped and waited till the flagger signaled to pass, If it was a previous truck, then good, if he wasn't paying attention, then he needed to learn a lesson. Not quite sure what I just watched, looks like a poorly located depot to intersection issue to me..
My man used to flag crossings, with or without electronic crossing protection The Flagman/Conductor has absolute control of the crossing, all vehicles must follow the orders of the flagman. If they cut out an active crossing by manual control or circuit time out , The flagman was sent to assure that crossing protection reactivates before the train moves to prevent accidents, probably the reason the train stopped was a passenger stop. Conductor did not take control of the crossing.
Also: I wrkd on the GN here out west during college summers; I flagged Many a crossing; I wasn't evr trained as to a specific signal or posture or ? to tell motorists not to cross; it was somewhat 'play it by ear'....Train Stopped = No Danger.
apparently the train was at a regular passenger stop (Depot seen in background); for some reason (local law? , closeness to the crossing?) the brakeman (?) was doing his job! People (with lotsabucks) can rent a private RR car & pay Amtrak to tow it...Nice Way to travel!
Folks, if you don't know how railroad Track Circuits work, you are wasting your time commenting here. The Amtrak train approaches the crossing, the bells, lights and gates are activated, THEN the train stops. WHY? We don't know. Then, the bells, lights and gates are deactivated (the Track Circuit went into "time-out." So, why did the Amtrak person (Conductor?) get off the train to flag the crossing? WHY! The warning devices were working! The truck driver did nothing wrong! He stopped!
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but count me as one of the the ignorant. Not in any driver's manuals I've studied. Wouldn't know a train conductors uniform from a Quicky Mart uniform as never been on a train. OP, that would be a pretty confusing series of events for 99.999% of modern era drivers, you have to admit. Still, I think I'd have waited if I were the semi, but not enough info to to blame him for not doing so.
oh i guess i just wasnt paying attention if the flagger was flagging down people so they know they cant go across right now, yeah me im not a trucker yet but i know how the laws are getting its getting really strict on your cdl, i guess i just saw him stop at the stop sign and figured that the flagger maybe did flag him down but moved to the side and let him go through idk
okay i see what your saying yes theres a flagger in the middle of the crossing which means that no traffic aloud through for some reason i dont know why but what im saying i saw the semi stop then started turning to go across the crossing so why didnt the flagger stop him if he wasnt suppose to cross
If you want to make rail passengers pay what it ACTUALLY costs, then let's play that game across the board. Do you delude yourself that the price of your airline ticket pays the costs of that plane? HAH! What about the air traffic control system, the airports themselves, the airport maintenance, etc., etc., ALL paid for with tax money. Railroads pay for their own rights-of-way, every rail, every switch, every signal. You can't say that about planes. Amtrak is a BARGAIN!
Hey cobraman96 you wanna talk about tax dollars let me tell you something I would rather see my money spent here at home and not on wars and giving aid to other countries funding passenger rail would create jobs and potentially decrease unemployment
As a public service announcement to those in Minnesota, the law states:
It is unlawful in Minnesota for a motorist to move over a highway-rail crossing when a flagman is signaling the approach or passage of a train. Motorists are prohibited from driving a vehicle past a flagman until the flagman signals that the way is clear to proceed. Minn. Stat. § 169.26(c) (1999).
i wasnt saying that trains didnt have right over cars im just saying i saw the semi stop at the stop sign then turned right and the flagger just let him pass
WTF Why do need need to stop te train and have a guy get out to wave a flag and then stop for him to get on?! This is not 1855! They should just keep going ! Thats what signals are for! You dont need a guy to go out there and wave a flag! @rockchickvw agree?
@Megahammerheadshark More jobs,Thats the liberal way.No telling what it cost in pay and benefits to have a flagperson hang around 24/7.Oh and did i mention amtrak loses money and some of your federal gas tax goes to these idiots?
@cobraman96 Amtrak may be struggling with money but it's not losing any at this point so you're incorrect plain and simple. Every single one of their routes has gone up in ridership due to the high gas prices and airline fees that started back in 2006. Amtrak has seen a boom in ridership so please know what you are talking about next time. This route here the Empire Builder is Amtrak's busiet long distant route and stay packed.
@jmiersmasexy - Tracks have sensors on them so that dispatchers can tell where trains are, and to alert if a train derails. Deploying a conductor to visually monitor the train's wheels as it slowly passes a crossing is a safety protocol mandated when the sensor at a crossing is broken. Think about it, a train stuck across a road would be extremely bad. Better safe than sorry!
Fuck you dickhead! Why are people always out for blood when they talk about truckers. Your precious groceries and gas has to be delivered you mother fucker!!
I'm a proud truckers son who has a college degree and would still drive a truck!
From the video I seen nothing the truck driver could have been prosecuted for. This just shows a failure in the part of the woman, some failure with the driver and a failure of the justice system. If she wanted him to stop, all she had to do was wave that flag of hers and maybe yell. She just stood there then moved thus giving permission to proceed. This video should have been presented in court.
@yesiamanalien -- She moved to not get RUN OVER because the dickhead driver DIDN'T stop. Basic rule of the road, if someone's in the road -- especially with a red flag -- drivers are supposed to stop. The rules of the road don't specify that the flag must be actively waved, or even that a person has to HAVE a red flag in the first place! It's basic courtesy and common sense, commonly lacking on the road, and amply demonstrated in this thread...
@cobraman96 yeah, and they only give Amtrak 1.5 billion, where they give these big oil companies that make RECORD PROFITS, like 10-15 billion EACH QUARTER, 45-50billion!!! FUCK THAT, quit funding big oil and start funding stuff like this, we need more train Tavel here in the USA!
111 They gave money to amtrak,Tax incentives go to small companies to explore for oil.Big difference.I write off expenses for my business on my taxes.Nobumba didn't send me a billion dollar check.Wtire me after you have lived in the real world a lil longer dumbass.
Empire builder? Sounds like a nickname for obama.You libtards and your passenger trains,Hell they take federal gas tax money from all states and give it to amtrak b/c they can't turn a profit!I would love to own a business like that,Thank blow biden!
@cobraman96 My goodness. That is a name for a train, named orginally by the Great Northern Railroad, a private company and you turn around and turn this into a political hit job. Shame on you. You teabagging rednecks are just offspring of a science lab experiment gone bad.
@SouthernMissGraduate Another obama lover i see,How ya liking the high unemployment and high gas prices,asshole?Now do what libtards do and blame bush for everything.
@cobraman96 All of this nonsense did start under president Bush. Things are not great but I can certainly say that they are better than what Bush did. We are net gaining jobs instead of losing 700,000 a month under Bush. The unemployment rate does need to come down a bit and I believe it will but it will be a long way to recovery since it took 8 yrs under Bush to mess things up. Investing in infastructure is key and Amtrak should be a major part of that since ridership is UP!
@trooper40below You just proved my point,U claim 9.1% unemployment is better and you're still talking about bush...Go lay on a railroad track and wait for the train.
@cobraman96 I didn't prove yor point. I think you need to go read my comment again. No wonder our education system is failing. Just stop being ignorant.
@trooper40below Lies lies and more lies.700k jobs a month? Who told you that shit? Chris mathews?Three years into obummers term and you assholes still blame bush and back up obummer.If people wanna ride the fucking train ,let em pay what it cost to run the damn thing.Its called free market my socialist friend.
the semi had no fault in this he stopped at the stop sign turned the corner and saw that the train was stopped and the person with the flag and she got out his way and let him through because the train wasnt moving yet so he had his time to get across
@TheKwtrucker Except that the semi did NOT have the right-of-way. There were other cars that did have the right-of-way that did stop to wait for the train. The semi had a stop sign.
@likestallwomen -- the gate controls seem to be set to prioritize auto traffic over rail safety. The gates raised - with almost *no* delay - when the train paused to deploy the conductor, even though it was still sitting right there, and was going to resume motion. The municipality probably pressured whoever owns the trackage to set the gate that way. This proves why such pressures need to be resisted, to prevent situations like this from even happening. Safety shortcuts = bad idea!
@rockchickvw yet they also had time to make their move, chose not to, thereby giving up their right of way. I agree with him, he did nothing illegal there.
@TheKwtrucker Hold Cripes - I hope you don't actually believe what you said in this comment. Trains ALWAYS have the right of way when there is a flagger in the road or the gates are closing or down.
If you do actually believe in your brain that the semi had the right-of-way you need to go turn your license in... NOW!
@TheKwtrucker The driver saw the flagman(or woman in this case) and did NOT have the right of way.Under new federal laws the driver lost his CDL for a few months if they prosecuted him which I hope they did.
That's why when you pull these idiots over and they ask if they did something wrong you say nothing and just put 1 right between the eyes (BOOM) and drive off. The conductor in her uniform and red flag isn't standing there for her freaking health.
@LarrydaLimey you speak as if it's common for people to stand in traffic and expect people to recognize that you're a train conductor. if she wanted traffic to stop she should have stood further (to the right of the camera screen) so that traffic could see her before making the right turn onto the tracks...Do you expect the truck to stop on the tracks and then back up? NO
@LarrydaLimey Umm, probably 15 mins....it was late, i worked long hours that day...I usually sound more grumpy when I'm tired....I just wanted to make my point, (it makes sense to me)
@cavibird2005 Cars and trucks must alway yield to trains at crossings. The official charge is trespassing and failing to yield. If you disagree, you go to court and fight it. (ps., you will most likely lose. Not saying you always should, but you will.)
@paulgrem Amtrak rents the track from BNSF, How can Amtrak charge someone with trespassing on property they don't own? Also a red circle isn't a legal yield sign in MN. It would have to be white with a red outlining border to hold up in a MN court. Also She NEVER held up the sign. She stood there sign in hand.
I have never seen a situation like this, where the train stops, the arms go up, then a human stands on the roadway with a little red flag....the "conductor" wasn't even wearing a high-visibility workvest....very dangerous!
I disagree with prosecuting the truck driver. The truck stopped before making his right turn. The train was stopped, the arms were up and someone looking like a civilian was standing on the roadway.
If anybody is to be prosecuted,it should be that conductor not enforcing safety. It was HER JOB to "wave the flag" that she had in her hand,and signal to the driver to stop. The stop arms were up with no bells or flashing red lights. She just stood there with an "I dare you stance and posture". The driver probably loses his job for doing his,and she keeps her job for NOT doing hers Typical with union workers. This video should be shown to the proper authorities then you will see who is at fault.
Truck driver did nothing wrong.. Arms are up with no bells or flsh/red lights. He started going before the flagger was on the tracks. I'd have done the same
@angryadrien - They shouldn't have to; not a "road worker", in the sense of tow truck operator or construction crew. A conductor's usual duties are normally *inside* the train, taking tickets, etc. or in controlled environments of rail yards. How nice of you to defend the indefensible, and be insulting to a hard-working service professional in the bargain.
@xheralt They shouldn't have to wear safety vests? why? because we know what a conductor looks like? NO, we don't. Are you saying truckers aren't hard working professionals but a ticket puncher is? The fact is, the truck was in the process of starting his right turn when she walked onto the road. the trucker has to watch the traffic and his trailer in his mirrors and probably didn't see her standing in the road way until he was on the tracks... it kinda looks like she was CROSSING the road
Correction for the video title "Amtrak #8 being flagged and a stupid flagger" If she wanted the truck to stop she shouldn't have stood there like a dumbass just looking at it.
Ummm Ok... A train is stopped right at the crossing and there is a conductor in the road... What part of that was this truck driver not paying attention too? If he's not paying attention at crossings, should he be driving? What if it was a signal malfunction and another train was speeding toward the crossing? Would he have seen that too? Ticket will keep him paying closer attention next time. The truth is that common sense has died apparently
I'm not from the US, but even then it is obvious that the truck driver was not at fault. The conductor could've waved the flag at him and made him stop but she just stood there watching until he passed by, then noted his number down and got him prosecuted. Nice video though. Love those P42DCs
@dheerajrao Conductor stood there in full uniform, with a red flag, in his path with a train sitting 10 ft from the crossing. And the truck driver thought what? She's standing there for her health?
The conductor did not give any type of signal until after the truck was already under the arms of the non-working signal. Even then, the conductor's signal was not definitive, at least from the camera's angle. I can't blame the trucker.
I agree. The truck did nothing wrong and the dumbass train crew did nothing more than confuse the fuck out of people by stopping TWICE near the crossing .Fucking idiots
Conductress not flagging him to stop and he already started his turn and was proceeding.
Stupid thathey flagged the crossing when they could see that signals and gates were functioning OK. They could have proceeded and observed if gates were staying down and traffic stopped.
Even if they gates were working right the Amtrak crew had to follow protocol they had received word the crossing had been malfunctioning so even though the gates were down if they may be acting up it's procedure for a train conductor on a freight or passenger train to flag the crossing and make sure motorists don't cross
whats the big deal? Train is stopped, gates are up and trucker needs to get somewhere... as for the conductor, how about going to the driver side and explaining it to the driver instead of being a chicken lol
So the dumbass just stood their...let the truck turn and cross...then got him in trouble....?!?!? if i were the truck driver i would have sued her. Not much of a conductor to me.
i think by the time the truck driver realized she wanted him to stop he was already on the crossing. most people don't usually look for a flagman on railroad crossings. I imagine seeing a train parked on each side of the crossing was rather confusing.
lol, I tried to put myself in the situation of a driver (having never seen this done before), and I'm pretty sure I would have at least hesitated if I saw a uniformed person standing in the middle of a crossing with a red flag.
In the driver's defense, she could have been more animated with the flag. If I was her and I just stood there and then saw the truck continue to move, I would have started waiving the flag more (and I was waiting for that), but that's not what she did.
Wow that conducter did a very poor job flagging! When I flag on the TLE&W railroad I wear a safety vest, hard hat, and I use a very bright flag. She just did a bad job flagging! She did not even the semi to stop very well! Good video!
@metraF40PH163 Yeah, that one is a new one to me. I used to switch the NS line out of Ft. Wayne running the Defiance and Napolean. Long, long time ago. Lot's of grain and tomato paste. Track was terrible.
Remember a lot of long winter shoves into a Cement plant. Can't remember the town. Derailed a caboose on a road crossing during a shove one day. Conductor was a newbie and scared the shit out of him. LOL. We pulled it back on in about 5 minutes but he won't forget it.
I volunteered at Steamtown years ago and the one crossing I was flagging a guy decided to by when I was in the middle of the crossing. I memorized his license plate and at the next block there was a cop and I told him it. A few days later the conductor I was working with that day told me that the guy a ticket.
this is dumb the damn train stoped and the gates went up so that give the opening what about the cars that went by only the guy with a cdl gets the fine well other drive but screw that
the gates were up, the train was not moving, and the dipshit chick dressed as a railroad employee was just standing there like a scarecrow, so you train fans tell me again why the trucker is an asshole? (as some of you say)
@thogy i agree with you.... update said he was prosecuted whatever that means. If a judge saw this he was dismiss the case. I would have done the same thing.. someone commented there was a stop sign and people on the left. i dont see this
That trucker still had all the right to go...All she did was stand out there with a thumb up her ass...Would have been a different story if she would of actually did something with the flag instead of using it for something else ha ha ha ha....NEXT TIME HAVE HER WAVE IT WHEN SHE WAS ACTUALLY WALKING OUT THERE AND USE THE RIGHT END ha ha ha ha
I agree that that flag could have been used better. And I know the GCOR 3rd ed (Thast my local musuem runs by) requires flaggers in orange vests for visibility, which I would of thought would be on the train somewhere. And it wouldv'e been nice if those gates hadn't timed out on her.
On the other hand, what part of K5+person in uniform in the street WITH a flag at all Doesn't compute?
lorry driver comes along and see a train stopped and the gates open and cars crossing. he probably didn't see her till he had pulled away. she was stood there with the flag by her side instead of holding it up and waving it to stop traffic in fact she only used this red stop flag to wave the engine on pretty poor all round.
what is the point of being flagged? no gates were broken. it seemed very pointless and annoying to some of the cars. i like the train though. Where does the empire builder go to? at 3:44, i like that little horn! how are you doing today?
how is she (conductor) going to get up to the regular train height? I don't think they're using transition sleepers, and I also don't see any connection between the baggage car and the rest of the train...
Truckdriver did nothing wrong there, he started his turn before she in the middle and starrted to flag.he cant decide to stop in the middle of a turn.
No.1 thing wrong there was, they sent a woman out to do a man's job. She shouldn't have gotten out of trucks way and should have thrown that red flag at the windshield of the truck! Stupid dumbass truck driver! People like that should be hit by a train.
That is really stupid! Number one, you don't drive across a rail road crossing if the conductor is there, and number two, when the engineer honks the engine's horn, you know you are doing something wrong.
she didn't say that this trucker bent the gate, but that a previous trucker had. The gates seemed to be working fine; why was the flagger even needed?
Because some people may think "oh ill be gone when the train gets here" or "the train is stopped, not a problem" but if a person is there, they can more effectively stop traffic.
P.S.-can crossing gates file charges-no, didn't think so
I've timed it. The truck had cleared the gates 25 seconds before they started coming down again. As for the angle, that's how the gates were installed. I'm a retired RR engineer but will have to side with the trucker on this one.
I totally agree with "robertgift." The gates had timed up and the truck came nowhere close to hitting them. The stupid Baggagemaster just stood there like a zombie and never waved the red flag to try to stop the truck. I'd have done the same had I been in the truck or a 4 wheeler.Rockchickvw needs to stop lying about the incident if he's going tp post the video for all to see.
We as railfans must band together to support the effort to restore Amtrak service between New Orleans and Orlando. The government cant simply let Amtrak "indefinitely suspend" this service forever! Let's do something about it. Contact your senators and/or Representative now. Don't let your voices be unheard!
andrewhurricane 3 weeks ago
This woman never stops the truck or that red Grand Am. Plus she never once ever signals any of the traffic to stop. She doesn't know what she is doing at all.
TheInamanica 1 month ago
The truck driver is not at fault. Most people don't know what this woman is doing. If the gates are up and a train isn't moving people are going to drive across. Not everyone knows what that woman is doing. She isn't using hand signals at, just standing there. You railroad knobbers need to get over yourselves. And if you watched the whole video you notice the gates were working fine.
TheInamanica 1 month ago
the foamers are defending the train and the conductor
That truck driver was probably confused and went ahead
Even though I know some stuff about trains, not everyone knows about train procedures
I'm pretty sure many people in America haven't seen a crossing flagged
I've still yet to see one to this day and I live in SEPTAland
YourNeighbor1000 1 month ago
She had a red flag in her hand and he didn't even slow him down!!! Does he drive the same way in construction zones? Everyone else seemed to get it, they stopped. Also, the train blew its horn three or four times!!! This guy would fail the commercial driving test in every state!
Ohh, and let's not forget why the gates weren't working in the first place, a trucker who has no place behind the wheel ran into them making an illegal turn!
wendtsony 1 month ago
Driver: oh look, a train crossing I know I can't make it over but what the hell, I'll do it anyway. What's this? Someone with a red flag? Well, she isn't important. I'll just run her over!
AmtrakKid1 5 months ago
she was standing right there, she had to move to get out of the way of the fucking truck,,,,,are you guys blind? the male truck driver saw a female who was more imprtant than he,,,,,the poor thang,,,,,that's the only reason he went thru. hope his wife divorced him after that lol
bfs1888 5 months ago
@bfs1888 And? The trucker is supposed to know that a dope just standing there has something to do with the train? She made no stopping gesture nor did she use her flag to indicate she was controlling traffic. I would bet that if he knew about this video, not only would he be cleared, she would have been reprimanded.
gt66vcd 2 months ago
I can,,t see how the semi driver was stupid the gates were up she didnt ask him to stop nothing to see here.
Denvermorgan2000 5 months ago 2
What the fawk how complicated take a look at europes trains shits all automatic.
ev13wt 5 months ago
Why was the semi stupid? Gates are up a and train is stopped. Nothing wrong there.
uprrslo 5 months ago
Hmm, looks like the truck stopped and waited till the flagger signaled to pass, If it was a previous truck, then good, if he wasn't paying attention, then he needed to learn a lesson. Not quite sure what I just watched, looks like a poorly located depot to intersection issue to me..
hettick304 6 months ago
how do they make the signals go back up when they are stopped at the crossing?
littlebitch231 6 months ago
My man used to flag crossings, with or without electronic crossing protection The Flagman/Conductor has absolute control of the crossing, all vehicles must follow the orders of the flagman. If they cut out an active crossing by manual control or circuit time out , The flagman was sent to assure that crossing protection reactivates before the train moves to prevent accidents, probably the reason the train stopped was a passenger stop. Conductor did not take control of the crossing.
TheAquadonna 6 months ago 2
Also: I wrkd on the GN here out west during college summers; I flagged Many a crossing; I wasn't evr trained as to a specific signal or posture or ? to tell motorists not to cross; it was somewhat 'play it by ear'....Train Stopped = No Danger.
amarkanders777 7 months ago
apparently the train was at a regular passenger stop (Depot seen in background); for some reason (local law? , closeness to the crossing?) the brakeman (?) was doing his job! People (with lotsabucks) can rent a private RR car & pay Amtrak to tow it...Nice Way to travel!
amarkanders777 7 months ago
Folks, if you don't know how railroad Track Circuits work, you are wasting your time commenting here. The Amtrak train approaches the crossing, the bells, lights and gates are activated, THEN the train stops. WHY? We don't know. Then, the bells, lights and gates are deactivated (the Track Circuit went into "time-out." So, why did the Amtrak person (Conductor?) get off the train to flag the crossing? WHY! The warning devices were working! The truck driver did nothing wrong! He stopped!
OhioInvestigator 7 months ago
"Apparently, people do not know what that means."
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but count me as one of the the ignorant. Not in any driver's manuals I've studied. Wouldn't know a train conductors uniform from a Quicky Mart uniform as never been on a train. OP, that would be a pretty confusing series of events for 99.999% of modern era drivers, you have to admit. Still, I think I'd have waited if I were the semi, but not enough info to to blame him for not doing so.
polymorphia1 7 months ago
Wow that's some train.
bayster912 7 months ago
Much ado about nothing.
sjtom57 7 months ago
oh i guess i just wasnt paying attention if the flagger was flagging down people so they know they cant go across right now, yeah me im not a trucker yet but i know how the laws are getting its getting really strict on your cdl, i guess i just saw him stop at the stop sign and figured that the flagger maybe did flag him down but moved to the side and let him go through idk
TheKwtrucker 7 months ago
first tym seeing a train being stopped for the road transport........ STRANGE
seba81376 7 months ago
okay i see what your saying yes theres a flagger in the middle of the crossing which means that no traffic aloud through for some reason i dont know why but what im saying i saw the semi stop then started turning to go across the crossing so why didnt the flagger stop him if he wasnt suppose to cross
TheKwtrucker 8 months ago
If you want to make rail passengers pay what it ACTUALLY costs, then let's play that game across the board. Do you delude yourself that the price of your airline ticket pays the costs of that plane? HAH! What about the air traffic control system, the airports themselves, the airport maintenance, etc., etc., ALL paid for with tax money. Railroads pay for their own rights-of-way, every rail, every switch, every signal. You can't say that about planes. Amtrak is a BARGAIN!
DDunker51 8 months ago
Hey cobraman96 you wanna talk about tax dollars let me tell you something I would rather see my money spent here at home and not on wars and giving aid to other countries funding passenger rail would create jobs and potentially decrease unemployment
randyb327 8 months ago
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pdlsteeler1 8 months ago
As a public service announcement to those in Minnesota, the law states:
It is unlawful in Minnesota for a motorist to move over a highway-rail crossing when a flagman is signaling the approach or passage of a train. Motorists are prohibited from driving a vehicle past a flagman until the flagman signals that the way is clear to proceed. Minn. Stat. § 169.26(c) (1999).
Lentzios 8 months ago
i wasnt saying that trains didnt have right over cars im just saying i saw the semi stop at the stop sign then turned right and the flagger just let him pass
TheKwtrucker 9 months ago
haha.
4:48 Hello!
Hiei2k7 9 months ago
WTF Why do need need to stop te train and have a guy get out to wave a flag and then stop for him to get on?! This is not 1855! They should just keep going ! Thats what signals are for! You dont need a guy to go out there and wave a flag! @rockchickvw agree?
Megahammerheadshark 9 months ago
@Megahammerheadshark More jobs,Thats the liberal way.No telling what it cost in pay and benefits to have a flagperson hang around 24/7.Oh and did i mention amtrak loses money and some of your federal gas tax goes to these idiots?
cobraman96 9 months ago
@cobraman96 Amtrak may be struggling with money but it's not losing any at this point so you're incorrect plain and simple. Every single one of their routes has gone up in ridership due to the high gas prices and airline fees that started back in 2006. Amtrak has seen a boom in ridership so please know what you are talking about next time. This route here the Empire Builder is Amtrak's busiet long distant route and stay packed.
trooper40below 8 months ago
but head
bnsf4884 9 months ago
@jmiersmasexy - Tracks have sensors on them so that dispatchers can tell where trains are, and to alert if a train derails. Deploying a conductor to visually monitor the train's wheels as it slowly passes a crossing is a safety protocol mandated when the sensor at a crossing is broken. Think about it, a train stuck across a road would be extremely bad. Better safe than sorry!
xheralt 9 months ago
Fuck you dickhead! Why are people always out for blood when they talk about truckers. Your precious groceries and gas has to be delivered you mother fucker!!
I'm a proud truckers son who has a college degree and would still drive a truck!
Highvoltageism 9 months ago
From the video I seen nothing the truck driver could have been prosecuted for. This just shows a failure in the part of the woman, some failure with the driver and a failure of the justice system. If she wanted him to stop, all she had to do was wave that flag of hers and maybe yell. She just stood there then moved thus giving permission to proceed. This video should have been presented in court.
yesiamanalien 9 months ago
@yesiamanalien -- She moved to not get RUN OVER because the dickhead driver DIDN'T stop. Basic rule of the road, if someone's in the road -- especially with a red flag -- drivers are supposed to stop. The rules of the road don't specify that the flag must be actively waved, or even that a person has to HAVE a red flag in the first place! It's basic courtesy and common sense, commonly lacking on the road, and amply demonstrated in this thread...
xheralt 9 months ago
@xheralt the BIG RED FLAG was down by her leg. What kind of "flagger" holds the flag below their waist if they want traffic to pay attention?
angryadrien 9 months ago
was it me or did anyone else not see a stupid semi driver?
NICKLADD 10 months ago
@NICKLADD -- it's just you.
xheralt 9 months ago
@NICKLADD Nope, i don't belive that he did anything wrong
angryadrien 9 months ago
this is why the fra requires those bright yellow vests when flagging a crossing. truck drivers just hate the rr
smartassstevie 10 months ago
Then maybe Amtrak can turn a profit and we won't have to fund them anymore.
rduncanjr1984 10 months ago
@cobraman96 yeah, and they only give Amtrak 1.5 billion, where they give these big oil companies that make RECORD PROFITS, like 10-15 billion EACH QUARTER, 45-50billion!!! FUCK THAT, quit funding big oil and start funding stuff like this, we need more train Tavel here in the USA!
rduncanjr1984 10 months ago
@rduncanjr1984 Lies
111 They gave money to amtrak,Tax incentives go to small companies to explore for oil.Big difference.I write off expenses for my business on my taxes.Nobumba didn't send me a billion dollar check.Wtire me after you have lived in the real world a lil longer dumbass.
cobraman96 8 months ago
Empire builder? Sounds like a nickname for obama.You libtards and your passenger trains,Hell they take federal gas tax money from all states and give it to amtrak b/c they can't turn a profit!I would love to own a business like that,Thank blow biden!
cobraman96 10 months ago
@cobraman96 My goodness. That is a name for a train, named orginally by the Great Northern Railroad, a private company and you turn around and turn this into a political hit job. Shame on you. You teabagging rednecks are just offspring of a science lab experiment gone bad.
SouthernMissGraduate 9 months ago
@SouthernMissGraduate Another obama lover i see,How ya liking the high unemployment and high gas prices,asshole?Now do what libtards do and blame bush for everything.
cobraman96 9 months ago
@cobraman96 All of this nonsense did start under president Bush. Things are not great but I can certainly say that they are better than what Bush did. We are net gaining jobs instead of losing 700,000 a month under Bush. The unemployment rate does need to come down a bit and I believe it will but it will be a long way to recovery since it took 8 yrs under Bush to mess things up. Investing in infastructure is key and Amtrak should be a major part of that since ridership is UP!
trooper40below 8 months ago
@trooper40below You just proved my point,U claim 9.1% unemployment is better and you're still talking about bush...Go lay on a railroad track and wait for the train.
cobraman96 8 months ago
@cobraman96 I didn't prove yor point. I think you need to go read my comment again. No wonder our education system is failing. Just stop being ignorant.
trooper40below 8 months ago
@trooper40below Lies lies and more lies.700k jobs a month? Who told you that shit? Chris mathews?Three years into obummers term and you assholes still blame bush and back up obummer.If people wanna ride the fucking train ,let em pay what it cost to run the damn thing.Its called free market my socialist friend.
cobraman96 8 months ago
the semi had no fault in this he stopped at the stop sign turned the corner and saw that the train was stopped and the person with the flag and she got out his way and let him through because the train wasnt moving yet so he had his time to get across
TheKwtrucker 10 months ago 4
@TheKwtrucker Except that the semi did NOT have the right-of-way. There were other cars that did have the right-of-way that did stop to wait for the train. The semi had a stop sign.
rockchickvw 10 months ago 8
@rockchickvw the gates were up when 8 made the stop!
likestallwomen 10 months ago
@likestallwomen -- the gate controls seem to be set to prioritize auto traffic over rail safety. The gates raised - with almost *no* delay - when the train paused to deploy the conductor, even though it was still sitting right there, and was going to resume motion. The municipality probably pressured whoever owns the trackage to set the gate that way. This proves why such pressures need to be resisted, to prevent situations like this from even happening. Safety shortcuts = bad idea!
xheralt 9 months ago
@rockchickvw Since when does some random person standing in the middle of the road with a red flag down to her side mean stop?
If anything it means "I'm not trying to control traffic".
PhaseDMA 9 months ago
@rockchickvw yet they also had time to make their move, chose not to, thereby giving up their right of way. I agree with him, he did nothing illegal there.
loganmc1978 6 months ago
@TheKwtrucker
Trains always have the right of way over cars. It's like this:
PEOPLE > TRAINS > CARS.
penguinejb 9 months ago
@TheKwtrucker
I am scared to know that you're a trucker. I'll pray for anyone who has to drive near you on the road.
sirdorkster 8 months ago
@TheKwtrucker Hold Cripes - I hope you don't actually believe what you said in this comment. Trains ALWAYS have the right of way when there is a flagger in the road or the gates are closing or down.
If you do actually believe in your brain that the semi had the right-of-way you need to go turn your license in... NOW!
chfriend 8 months ago
@TheKwtrucker The driver saw the flagman(or woman in this case) and did NOT have the right of way.Under new federal laws the driver lost his CDL for a few months if they prosecuted him which I hope they did.
SPUPRR 7 months ago
That's why when you pull these idiots over and they ask if they did something wrong you say nothing and just put 1 right between the eyes (BOOM) and drive off. The conductor in her uniform and red flag isn't standing there for her freaking health.
LarrydaLimey 11 months ago
@LarrydaLimey - that's a response far in excess of the offense.
xheralt 9 months ago
@LarrydaLimey you speak as if it's common for people to stand in traffic and expect people to recognize that you're a train conductor. if she wanted traffic to stop she should have stood further (to the right of the camera screen) so that traffic could see her before making the right turn onto the tracks...Do you expect the truck to stop on the tracks and then back up? NO
angryadrien 9 months ago
@angryadrien Dude! How long were you stewing for, thinking what to reply to my comment before you typed it? LMAO. Whatever. lol.
LarrydaLimey 9 months ago
@LarrydaLimey Umm, probably 15 mins....it was late, i worked long hours that day...I usually sound more grumpy when I'm tired....I just wanted to make my point, (it makes sense to me)
angryadrien 9 months ago
get a grip
jimmyxtc69 11 months ago
what could they have possibly charged the driver of the semi with??
cavibird2005 11 months ago
@cavibird2005 Cars and trucks must alway yield to trains at crossings. The official charge is trespassing and failing to yield. If you disagree, you go to court and fight it. (ps., you will most likely lose. Not saying you always should, but you will.)
paulgrem 11 months ago
@paulgrem Amtrak rents the track from BNSF, How can Amtrak charge someone with trespassing on property they don't own? Also a red circle isn't a legal yield sign in MN. It would have to be white with a red outlining border to hold up in a MN court. Also She NEVER held up the sign. She stood there sign in hand.
cavibird2005 11 months ago
I have never seen a situation like this, where the train stops, the arms go up, then a human stands on the roadway with a little red flag....the "conductor" wasn't even wearing a high-visibility workvest....very dangerous!
I disagree with prosecuting the truck driver. The truck stopped before making his right turn. The train was stopped, the arms were up and someone looking like a civilian was standing on the roadway.
angryadrien 11 months ago
If anybody is to be prosecuted,it should be that conductor not enforcing safety. It was HER JOB to "wave the flag" that she had in her hand,and signal to the driver to stop. The stop arms were up with no bells or flashing red lights. She just stood there with an "I dare you stance and posture". The driver probably loses his job for doing his,and she keeps her job for NOT doing hers Typical with union workers. This video should be shown to the proper authorities then you will see who is at fault.
enroy37 11 months ago
Truck driver did nothing wrong.. Arms are up with no bells or flsh/red lights. He started going before the flagger was on the tracks. I'd have done the same
jtsou 11 months ago
They should shut down the tracks until the gate was fixed, or use cones or other kind of barrier.
lotwyo 11 months ago
you can't cross the tracks when a conductor is protecting it and waving a flag
jimmyxtc69 11 months ago
@jimmyxtc69 says who? how many people even know what a conductor looks like?
Also, there are rules that say anyone working on the road needs to have a high-visibility vest on.
Did you see one? nope, just a girl in a plain outfit...coulda be a fast food restaurant uniform for all we know.
angryadrien 11 months ago
@angryadrien - They shouldn't have to; not a "road worker", in the sense of tow truck operator or construction crew. A conductor's usual duties are normally *inside* the train, taking tickets, etc. or in controlled environments of rail yards. How nice of you to defend the indefensible, and be insulting to a hard-working service professional in the bargain.
xheralt 9 months ago
@xheralt They shouldn't have to wear safety vests? why? because we know what a conductor looks like? NO, we don't. Are you saying truckers aren't hard working professionals but a ticket puncher is? The fact is, the truck was in the process of starting his right turn when she walked onto the road. the trucker has to watch the traffic and his trailer in his mirrors and probably didn't see her standing in the road way until he was on the tracks... it kinda looks like she was CROSSING the road
angryadrien 9 months ago
Hahaha, the engineer's like "WTF?" *hoooonk*
ConrailJon 11 months ago
Correction for the video title "Amtrak #8 being flagged and a stupid flagger" If she wanted the truck to stop she shouldn't have stood there like a dumbass just looking at it.
landoverdivision321 11 months ago
@landoverdivision321 I'd like to know how the truckers court case went.
Imagine the conductor trying to justify standing on the road waving a little red flag, expecting traffic to know what the hell she's doing.
angryadrien 11 months ago
She didn't really wave the flag in a way that says "STOP!!!"What did she expect?If you want some one to stop,OWN IT!!
gebass6 1 year ago
arms are not down and he is stopped im going....
MrGovernment502 1 year ago
those things stop on a dime, it's fucking weird
ellisbud222 1 year ago
Ummm Ok... A train is stopped right at the crossing and there is a conductor in the road... What part of that was this truck driver not paying attention too? If he's not paying attention at crossings, should he be driving? What if it was a signal malfunction and another train was speeding toward the crossing? Would he have seen that too? Ticket will keep him paying closer attention next time. The truth is that common sense has died apparently
lilprincessred 1 year ago
I love to see working women like that!
walterrich 1 year ago
How do they let the crossings up if the train is still there? Or is that why she had to flag it?
rbjplay13 1 year ago
so what did the semi do that was stupid?
Jsouthwell2006 1 year ago
I'm not from the US, but even then it is obvious that the truck driver was not at fault. The conductor could've waved the flag at him and made him stop but she just stood there watching until he passed by, then noted his number down and got him prosecuted. Nice video though. Love those P42DCs
dheerajrao 1 year ago 2
@dheerajrao Conductor stood there in full uniform, with a red flag, in his path with a train sitting 10 ft from the crossing. And the truck driver thought what? She's standing there for her health?
LarrydaLimey 11 months ago
The conductor did not give any type of signal until after the truck was already under the arms of the non-working signal. Even then, the conductor's signal was not definitive, at least from the camera's angle. I can't blame the trucker.
MrJacksito1 1 year ago 2
I agree. The truck did nothing wrong and the dumbass train crew did nothing more than confuse the fuck out of people by stopping TWICE near the crossing .Fucking idiots
nickknabusch 1 year ago 2
the trucker had the correct way
cjps56 1 year ago
Trucker did nothing wrong.
Signals NOT activated.
Conductress not flagging him to stop and he already started his turn and was proceeding.
Stupid thathey flagged the crossing when they could see that signals and gates were functioning OK. They could have proceeded and observed if gates were staying down and traffic stopped.
Wasteveryone's time.
robertgift 1 year ago
why stop to be flagged??
WheelieRider4Life 1 year ago
People have little patience these days.
MSNWindows7 1 year ago
Wow! That one had a caboose. I thought those went out with the old style locomotives.
TheTallMan35 1 year ago
@TheTallMan35 Cabooses are still used. As for this train, it's not a caboose per say, just a private car.
rockchickvw 1 year ago 5
@rockchickvw How do you attach a private car onto an Amtrak train?
jessiesherman 11 months ago
@rockchickvw
They don't use cabooses on the big roads, mainly FREDs.
penguinejb 9 months ago
@TheTallMan35 that last car was an old Colorado Railcar Vistadome car.....and yes...cabooses have been replaced by end-of-train devices.
meankitty8 9 months ago
@TheTallMan35 That was not a caboose it was a private car. Cabooses are not allowed on passenger trains because cabooses are not rated above 70PMH.
uprrslo 5 months ago
Why stop like that? The gates were working.
dalton1583 1 year ago
Even if they gates were working right the Amtrak crew had to follow protocol they had received word the crossing had been malfunctioning so even though the gates were down if they may be acting up it's procedure for a train conductor on a freight or passenger train to flag the crossing and make sure motorists don't cross
railfanstreator94 1 year ago
Ship by rail!!! Not SEMI
307OLDS 1 year ago
whats the big deal? Train is stopped, gates are up and trucker needs to get somewhere... as for the conductor, how about going to the driver side and explaining it to the driver instead of being a chicken lol
kev8338 1 year ago
What's the truck driver think it means when a conductor is in the middle of the crossing! The engineer even honked at him and he just kept goin.
SouthShoreTrain 1 year ago 2
So the dumbass just stood their...let the truck turn and cross...then got him in trouble....?!?!? if i were the truck driver i would have sued her. Not much of a conductor to me.
CAVSFAN2360 1 year ago
does walking across the road actually constitute flagging?
dognip666 1 year ago
i think by the time the truck driver realized she wanted him to stop he was already on the crossing. most people don't usually look for a flagman on railroad crossings. I imagine seeing a train parked on each side of the crossing was rather confusing.
dognip666 1 year ago
sry i'm not up on my railroad lingo...what is "flagging" a crossing for?
creamyfilling102 1 year ago
how small are there seats in a big guy will not to big but will you know what i mean im thinking of riding in one some one help me thanx
920gamez 1 year ago
@920gamez HUH????
Bumpawho 1 year ago
uh yeah, im just gonna park my train there. will i get clamped?
mycrofttrek 1 year ago
All looks perfectly reasonable to this locomotive driver
ozzyrail 1 year ago
what the hay?!-she was just standing there! why didnt she tell other cars to stop?
xrecon815 1 year ago
lol, I tried to put myself in the situation of a driver (having never seen this done before), and I'm pretty sure I would have at least hesitated if I saw a uniformed person standing in the middle of a crossing with a red flag.
In the driver's defense, she could have been more animated with the flag. If I was her and I just stood there and then saw the truck continue to move, I would have started waiving the flag more (and I was waiting for that), but that's not what she did.
marylindsayrr 1 year ago
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marylindsayrr 1 year ago
Why doesn't Amtrak have "Superliner" printed on the side of their cars anymore?
ERAUPRCWA 1 year ago
that train was to slow!!!
mcrrocks80 1 year ago
Wow that conducter did a very poor job flagging! When I flag on the TLE&W railroad I wear a safety vest, hard hat, and I use a very bright flag. She just did a bad job flagging! She did not even the semi to stop very well! Good video!
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
@metraF40PH163 WTF is the TLE&W? LOL. I thought I knew them all
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 The Toledo Lake Erie & Western Railroad is a tourist railroad I work for in Northwest Ohio.
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
@metraF40PH163 Yeah, that one is a new one to me. I used to switch the NS line out of Ft. Wayne running the Defiance and Napolean. Long, long time ago. Lot's of grain and tomato paste. Track was terrible.
Remember a lot of long winter shoves into a Cement plant. Can't remember the town. Derailed a caboose on a road crossing during a shove one day. Conductor was a newbie and scared the shit out of him. LOL. We pulled it back on in about 5 minutes but he won't forget it.
charlieb640 1 year ago
@charlieb640 HaHa that sounds like a story you won't forget!
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
@metraF40PH163 Dont forget about the saftey vest we wear. This conductor didnt have one did he?
ohiofoamer7612 1 year ago
@ohiofoamer7612 Oh, I wrote that but, yeah she did not have one on and she just stood there.
metraF40PH163 1 year ago
why did she go in the baggage car
ikolkyo967 1 year ago
I volunteered at Steamtown years ago and the one crossing I was flagging a guy decided to by when I was in the middle of the crossing. I memorized his license plate and at the next block there was a cop and I told him it. A few days later the conductor I was working with that day told me that the guy a ticket.
Lackawanna952 1 year ago
yeah, signal the train to go with a *red* flag.
vvikramraj 1 year ago
this is dumb the damn train stoped and the gates went up so that give the opening what about the cars that went by only the guy with a cdl gets the fine well other drive but screw that
truckingmadman 1 year ago
@cansmakit You are an idiot. Dont ever talk again.
coborn35 1 year ago
That's not the semi's fault.
nocalsteve 1 year ago 10
Never Seen A Crossing Being Flagged Except For One Time At the Outskirts Of The Washington terminal yard
trainmasta227 1 year ago
the gates were up, the train was not moving, and the dipshit chick dressed as a railroad employee was just standing there like a scarecrow, so you train fans tell me again why the trucker is an asshole? (as some of you say)
thogy 1 year ago
@thogy i agree with you.... update said he was prosecuted whatever that means. If a judge saw this he was dismiss the case. I would have done the same thing.. someone commented there was a stop sign and people on the left. i dont see this
hallcert 1 year ago
great horn
amtrak981 1 year ago
thats perfectic. in Aus the gates stay down ever if a trains stops near a station..
GayBoyRunning 1 year ago
Are the gates activated by a signal or how?
KosukiFire 1 year ago
is a flagman in the semi drivers dictionary?
Amtrakrailfan23 1 year ago
nice catch interesting
NWA651 1 year ago
I know semi are very stupid and gay,but trains are soo cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GISALICIOUS 1 year ago
was that a long distance train?loved the coach at the back with the people sitting outside.
RUSSANDTILLY 1 year ago
That trucker still had all the right to go...All she did was stand out there with a thumb up her ass...Would have been a different story if she would of actually did something with the flag instead of using it for something else ha ha ha ha....NEXT TIME HAVE HER WAVE IT WHEN SHE WAS ACTUALLY WALKING OUT THERE AND USE THE RIGHT END ha ha ha ha
JeremiahTrane 1 year ago
Techinquely the train ran a stop signal. Any signal given with a red flag or anything red is a stop signal. Looks to me like a failed effiency test.
railroadjj 1 year ago
nice video.
jakewars 1 year ago
If that person wanted the simi to stop , they would have to let them know by waving at them in some way, not just standing there looking stupid.
BufirdMauhaney 1 year ago
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222tattoo 1 year ago
The flagman is the idiot here, not the trucker.
sjtom57 1 year ago
haha... throw a fusee into their car.... will take care of that!
chief10619 1 year ago
okay! a train crew person with a red flag. how can u not see that!
mendoza634 1 year ago
I agree that that flag could have been used better. And I know the GCOR 3rd ed (Thast my local musuem runs by) requires flaggers in orange vests for visibility, which I would of thought would be on the train somewhere. And it wouldv'e been nice if those gates hadn't timed out on her.
On the other hand, what part of K5+person in uniform in the street WITH a flag at all Doesn't compute?
Trackagerights 1 year ago
lorry driver comes along and see a train stopped and the gates open and cars crossing. he probably didn't see her till he had pulled away. she was stood there with the flag by her side instead of holding it up and waving it to stop traffic in fact she only used this red stop flag to wave the engine on pretty poor all round.
bobman958 1 year ago
who.s ass hole in the truck
duxberry1958 1 year ago
what is the point of being flagged? no gates were broken. it seemed very pointless and annoying to some of the cars. i like the train though. Where does the empire builder go to? at 3:44, i like that little horn! how are you doing today?
TheDylanJoyce 1 year ago
Awesome video and powerful too! T.C. 5-7-2010
MungoPoPo 1 year ago
Nice catch.
SFLRailFan 1 year ago
how is she (conductor) going to get up to the regular train height? I don't think they're using transition sleepers, and I also don't see any connection between the baggage car and the rest of the train...
kj762aa 1 year ago
Truckdriver did nothing wrong there, he started his turn before she in the middle and starrted to flag.he cant decide to stop in the middle of a turn.
KillaTbone1 1 year ago
No.1 thing wrong there was, they sent a woman out to do a man's job. She shouldn't have gotten out of trucks way and should have thrown that red flag at the windshield of the truck! Stupid dumbass truck driver! People like that should be hit by a train.
hoggerdave 1 year ago
That is really stupid! Number one, you don't drive across a rail road crossing if the conductor is there, and number two, when the engineer honks the engine's horn, you know you are doing something wrong.
MidwestAirlinesrocks 1 year ago
Why are people so stupid?????????
JimboRailfan 1 year ago
she didn't say that this trucker bent the gate, but that a previous trucker had. The gates seemed to be working fine; why was the flagger even needed?
kyla2112 2 years ago
Because some people may think "oh ill be gone when the train gets here" or "the train is stopped, not a problem" but if a person is there, they can more effectively stop traffic.
P.S.-can crossing gates file charges-no, didn't think so
jfsa380 2 years ago
@kyla2112 It's just the rules, buddy!
trainman2816 1 year ago
I've timed it. The truck had cleared the gates 25 seconds before they started coming down again. As for the angle, that's how the gates were installed. I'm a retired RR engineer but will have to side with the trucker on this one.
Tex5x5 2 years ago
I totally agree with "robertgift." The gates had timed up and the truck came nowhere close to hitting them. The stupid Baggagemaster just stood there like a zombie and never waved the red flag to try to stop the truck. I'd have done the same had I been in the truck or a 4 wheeler.Rockchickvw needs to stop lying about the incident if he's going tp post the video for all to see.
Tex5x5 2 years ago
What a stupid waste of time.
I don't blame the trucker for proceeding.
The signals were not operating and flagger was just standing there.
The lowered gate was not even close to being in foul. I would have slowed but not stopped unless wind could blow gate closer to train. No wind.
Why did you not push gate back while it was down?
Nice catch!
robertgift 2 years ago