Great video. Great moves and very well demonstrated. Jujitsu has saved my life on many occassions. I learnt the Art to hopefully never need it but for them times i have used it was worth the blood, pain, sweat and tears i have expeirenced whole learining. With the ever growing gun and knife crimein Britain today it is strongly recommened you teach your children theis fine Art. Love the video once again
heheheheh never.... Senior students know each other well and know each other limits. It's more likely that senior belts will be hurt by beginners as beginners don't realize how little pressure is needed to inflict pain or break something. Plus beginners often lose their balance when someone reacts to pain and Uke gets hurt.
only time I ever broke someone's arm was in competition. this is a great video, the instructors need some practice on their throwing techniques (my background is Judo first Ju-Jitsu Second) but it reminds me of Wally Jay's Dance of pain. All the cool little tricks.
Dear oh dear. I'm sure it all sounds unrealistic but not all techniques are 100% waterproof. Ju Jitsu is also about adaptation. Everything depends on everything. Having a good sensei is very important. One that knows the why's and what and how's. Not one that says: KICK! and then doesn't explain why it's effective.
I would like to take Ju Jitsu basked upon what I saw in the clip. However, the only martial arts taught in my area is tang su do. We have 3 studios that teach it. Does anyone know if Tang Su Do teaches similar techniques like Ju jitsu?
Good question, I'm not familiar with it. Most clubs will allow you to drop in and have a look at a class and see if it appeals to you. If you're interested in martial arts and its the only one available, try it! You might enjoy it. The instructor will break or make a class so be sure you visit first. Trust your intuition.
Tang Soo Do IIRC is kind of a parent art, much the same as JuJitsu. It's a fairly rounded art but does focus mainly on strikes. From what I've seen it is fairly similar to Kung Fu in many ways and similar to JuJitsu in others. :) As fzinck says though, it is the instructor that is the most important factor, the student is the second and the art is the third. :)
i have been doing jujitsu for about 3 or 4 years now, and there are different styles of jujitsu, some are gentler than others but saying that it is useless in real life situations is stupid, look at all the mma fights people that know ground only get there ass kicked and people that only know stand up get there ass kicked, you can not spar jujitsu very well because it is just too brutal, the slightest ammout of force will snap a mans bone in half, comment back of what u think cheers
you can spar perfectly well and with relative safety in protective gear.Some stuff will need to be banned of course but youll still know who would emerge on top under full contact pressure.Being too brutal an art was what most styles thought until nhb matches proved otherwise with minimal rules.Dont recall many bones snapped in half in mma '93 through '08.
have you seen the bjj matches, iv been to a few here in aust and iv seen a few broken arms, generally basic arm bars gone wrong(guy didnt tap) but i saw one guy get his arm snapped from reverse fig.4, the guy had a compound fracture and they had to repair most of his tendons because they wrapped around his shoulder
armbars taken to extreme ranges produce dilocation of the joint,would be extremely rare to break a bone in two as you claimed was easiy done.Its a matter of biomechanics not effectiveness .
You seem to be focusing on the art as a sport. JJ in particular is a 'brutal' art. But, it is also one that you must respect the art itself as well as the people you are practising with. This isn't something that you just go full boar into because someone could get hurt or worse. You practise the art for the sake of the art not for accolades and accomplishments, not 'to win' as these MMA's have been preaching all these years.
I would say practice for self improvement,whether that be self defense,art,character, its up to your motivations.Not everyone who practises mma enters the cage,I personally spar for fun and stress release with self defense a close second.
I would say practice for self improvement,whether that be self defense,art,character, its up to your motivations.Not everyone who practises mma enters the cage,I personally spar for fun and stress release with self defense a close second.
fair enough, but it depends on the arm bar its self, where it is focussed on, fig.4's focus on shoulder and tendons, basic arm barr, usually elbow, so...yeh
lol I'm green belt Ju-Jitsu, and I'm 15 years old.. I could have been blue belt but I missed a exam :(. But Ju-Jitsu is 1 of the coolest martial arts I have ever seen ;)
This is brilliant, I am a green belt ju-jitsu and it is the best thing I have ever done, my kids are both junior black belts.
I can honestly say I feel quite safe walking the streets knowing I could defend myself and break someones arm or leg if attacked and by the way I am a 50 year old woman so it is never too late to join a class
whats really cool about this is that it's not like any of that other stuff it's all about useing your opponents force against him and quick submission tech. this if u take out the jabs and punchs is a perfect way to lern wrestleing as well
jujitsu ownes man i do jujitsu and it ownes every martial arts. i also do taekwon do and jujitsu can beat taekwondo easily and also any other form of martial arts. jujitsu FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to join a martial arts club and maybe you will understand like so many here. Its seems unreal to the uninformed but to those who practise they understand.
Fake? In what way? I used to do Ju Jitsu and believe me, when you're on the receiving end- it hurts..alot so you go wherever the pain is least- that's how it works.
its not fake but just a timid demo of what would happen if the attacker stood there like a corpse with no agression or intent.Its just that these demos wouldnt impress anyone but a non contact fighter or novice.What annoys me about clips like these is the instructor looking all proud as if they have shown something meaningful.
I think you need an huge ego check! Try spending some time with one system and dedicate your life to being creative and positive instead of negative and destructive.
my god ur stupid, this is a beginning demo, and i beleive this is a demo for prison guards, later on in jujitsu around purple /brown belt you do compromisation excersises, like if this goes wrong i can do that then if that goes wrong i can do this, and you do it full speed, its just up to you if you tell your training partner to hit you harder and resist so shut ur face
Lets face it BillySue2 really has no idea that this is a video of demo's not training. Stupid people make comments on things they have not seen. This video doesn't show the 16 hours of training yet he is compelled to write about it. It show a lack of maturity and real understanding.
I find it so very odd that your clips manage to attract comments from some astoundingly ill-informed people with such alarming frequency...yet many of the truly poor clips on YouTube recieve nothing but praise from these same people. Who'da Thunk it!
hehehehehehe, If nothing else I'm controversial! My late GrandMaster was very outspoken and told people exactly what he thought. I'm not as brash as he was but it does boil my blood at times. If nothing else you can really tell who has true training experience and understanding and who is an arm chair warrior wannabe. I notice too that these people who know it all have no training clips of their own :-)
cnoetzli is very right, the person must know whats happening or they will almost always break something, thats the whole point of jujitsu. It hurts a bit, hurts a bit, then it breaks. If you don't know whats coming or you try to be a tough guy and say it doesn't hurt and you don't feel anything, then your gunna break something! Oh yes, and you must ALWAYS run or avoid fights first, before going into a fight.
You have to practice it, master it, and then give your opinion about any technique or style... You need to open your mind - Watching some other youtube videos might help you.
if ye cant do randori with a technique then you dont know if you can rely on it.Ive practised trad jujutsu for some years but left because of static drilling,no contact sparring and completely unrealistic groundwork.I now have returned to boxing and wrestling and begun bjj which are real pressure tests.
That's a stupid philosophy. People with no understanding always say idiotic things like a technique needs top be tested in reality. Like MMA or randori is reality, it is not. I don't need to be shot to understand a gun will hurt me. This is a clip from a seminar of instructional content. It does not show the 16 hours of training. Anyone with any clue or experience would know this.
as close to reality with relative safety.I would suggest its those with the understanding who would hold this opinion.I am aware its a seminar,but one which is showing very poor training methods.23 years experience but would only count the last 3 or 4 as productive in a physical sense.
I understand what you're saying but you're kinda missing the point. Fzinck has stated that this is a few minutes out of several hours of INSTRUCTION. The people at this seminar would likely have been new to these techniques and would not have benefitted from 'realism' in the demonstration of any of the techniques. Learn the basics first and get a good foundation to build on first. :)
why do people feel the need to make negative comments when they dont understand what they see.these people are not sparring they are learning and demonstrating at a visable pace technique.ive studied many arts and used to work on doors and can tell you ive stopped much larger opponents in their tracks with ju jitsu many times.if anything you have to worry about causing too much damage with ju litsu if you get in a fight
if theyre impressed then they must have traing and vice versa?Ask any pro full contact fighter,mma or judo,wrestler what they think of this clip and youll get the same response... it isnt realistic.
You really do not have any understanding of what this is about. Join a martial art. Two of the participants in this vid were MMA and they loved the course.
i've lots of experience with a single art(15 years) but practised much like yourselves,touch contact,prearranged drills,low or no resistance,katas.Contact styles like boxing and wrestling woke me up and I now wonder why I blindly followed my instructor for so long.
Are these just clips you have accumulated or is this an individual dojo. I am very interest to know where it is if so, because I am a beginner looking for a good place to train. Some of the technique here is impressive. Makes me feel good to see some stuff I know too.
He was my late Grand Master, Master Jacques Dionne. I used to tease him about his gi. Tell him he looked like spiderman. He was a great man, painful too heheheheheheh.
Then my job is done :-) There are a lot people who do not understand the martial arts and who find it easy to criticize a clip to make them selves feel tough and knowledgeable. You are the reason I post such clips. MA should be fun, enlightening and build your self-esteem. Make sure you find an instructor you trust who has his ego in check. Thank you for this honest comment. Good luck!
Thanks for the nice words and the good luck-thing. I'll be sure to find a good intructor, my dad know one who is a very nice person.. and i'll give it all i got. But i got a question..
Styles can differ. Some go white, green, brown, black. Mine has 6 belts to black with some stripes in the higher belts. The big thing is that if you're learning & having fun & feel like you're part of something great, belts won't matter. Just stick with it and they will come.
ive practiced taijitsu for 2 years and realized that theres a psychological effect that happens when you are the uke. you tend to make things more dramatic and exagerated when being thrown etc.. the techniques DO hurt just, rarely would you be able to apply some of these things in real life. If its self defense we are talking about someone will be AGRESSIVE not just grabbing u or standing there waiting to get chopped in the neck.
There many forms of violence. Not just someone swinging wildly. Have you never been pushed, held at bay. The problem is all you guys see is defending from a psycho punching the crap out of you. Why? How did it get so far? You didn't see it? You can't give yourself permission to control the situation prior to punches? The minutes prior when your gut say's "holly crap!" is the time for action. If you have awareness you'll understand this is the time when locks work or after several impacts.
See your last line makes no sense me. Hundreds of women every day are grabbed aggressively and verbally abused while the guy just stands there waiting to be chopped in the neck! Is it an attack? Of course! Should she defend herself? Damn straight. Get your head outside the schoolyard, start thinking outside the box and start looking at a bigger picture and you'll be a better martial artist!
It can be. You need to understand that there are many forms, levels & stages of violence & tactically it makes sense to understand all of them before they become out of hand. Violence is not just two guys squaring off. Be able to deal with punches flying, but have the ability to control the unwanted advances of a drunk without kicking the crap out of him for example.
A finger lock can be used to control or cripple. It can be obtained during passive resistance or when you're in an all out brawl. Martial Arts is about the process and study of technique. Anyone can pull fingers back, can you break them by simply turning your wrist 1 inch using less than 2lbs of pressure? Do you know how to "base" out the joint? Do you understand the principles of "Dual forces"? Or is your MA about bash and crash? I don't care what style you do, just be technical about it.
If anything, JuJitsu is MORE effective against a rabid flailing opponent...they are less in control of their body which allows you more control. It's amazing just how much remaining calm can increase your reactions and thoughts...
I see your point. I should not have called it JJ clipshow. It takes in a lot of seminar stuff too from Control Tactics course and probably doesn't represent our practice or style to the best degree. I plan to fix that soon with new videos.
why ogh why do people use complex arlocks and specific nerv strikes and call it jujitsu
try that on a drunk with a knife and youd be in the emargency ward whats wrong with a good solid hip throw o goshshi ko tsuri goshi and whay get some on in a leg lock what you and get a perfect ippon seonaggi and kill him ??????????
You lack understanding of what ju-jitsu is all about. There are many forms of violence with many levels of engagement, which have many stages of escalation and de-escalation. Once you understand this, you will realize that different techniques for different forms of violence, at different levels, at different stages. It's not that hard to understand. Ju-Jitsu is about adapting to an ever changing stimulus. It's just a demo clip of differing techniques. You need to see the bigger picture.
You are missing the key fact here....IT'S A DEMONSTRATION!!! ffs the number of people who come on here and go on and on about how half of these techniques wouldn't work in a fight or how they're being done too slow is astounding. Granted not every Ju Jitsu technique is viable in a street fight...thats no reason to not learn them. They increase your understanding of the body and your techniques.
Dont get me wrong its a good demo i just feel we have difrent styles i was always taught that a demo was to show what is possible to do under a certian situation
You just don't get it Snakepee. There is more levels of violence than just two guys squaring off and different forms of resistance. Hey, Where are your videos? Easy to critisize, difficult to think outside the box!
Ya we use Tomoe Nage but this technique is used when someone tries to avoid Tomoe nage by maybe pushes his hips back or maybe you didn't get a tight tuck and are too far out. Sweep the legs out and go for the mount.
Hmm.. Ju-Jitsu was designed to fight against people wearing armour, hence the techniques against locks and joints, as opposed to striking your fist off armour.. Right?
It was more to do with fighting people with weapons, hence attacking the hands and arms first, ur right that they had armour too but it was mainly to take someones weapon off them so you yourself could use it
Keep in mind they weren't always in armour either. Part of the system was policing using subject control, weapons retention, warfare combat as well as person self defence. Often systems specialized in areas depending on the period in time, duties, region or status. That is why traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu is so complicated and takes so long to achieve rank today, there's a lot of stuff to learn. My Ju-Jitsu style takes three times longer to achieve black belt than most karate styles.
Haha, I feel more than a little uneducated now. I think the shortest time possible to get black belt in my Ju-Jitsu style is two years, but that'd only be if you did every grading (Grading every three months).
Three months!!! My students aren't eligible to grade unless they have put in 6 months minimum up to green belt and 9-12 months above that. Brown to black can be three years. There are two levels of Blue belt and three levels of brown. Each syllabus contains 30+ techniques with a dozen variations of each. But then again my old Grand Master did love to torture us hehehehehehe.
We only have one level for each belt, and fourteen lessons is the minimum to go for your first grading according to the Budo Pass you get. I had to do twenty-six lessons (Maybe I sucked? xD) before grading for the first time, two lessons a week - Don't know what that is in months, too lazy to work it out. Not the best attitude for someone who enjoys Martial Arts to have, but damn - I'm sort of put off by how much you guys have to do. o_o
In my style it takes around 4 years to Black if you go at it like a nutter and grade at every possible opportunity. Personally I think it should take longer...the lower grades tend to get an easy time of it and standards are slipping. :(
In defence of my style, the current head of our part of the WJJF doesn't let people get to Black Belt unless they really deserve it. You do actually have to be good, but I do agree that standards seem to be slipping - The more a style becomes commercialized, at least. There are Tae Kwaun Do classes before my Ju-Jitsu classes, and there are people going for their black belts who have about the same level of skill as people in my Ju-Jitsu class at their second belt.
Ya near where I live you can get a tae kwon-do black belt in a year going twice a week. It's crazy. But here they charge $500 for a shodan and $1500 for each degree above that. My style pays $20 for colored belt gradings and zero for Dan grades.
This was a technique developed by Samurai for real intent to harm your opponent. The trouble with any demo videos or practice training is that original Japanese Ju Jitsu has to be highly regulated because you can seriously harm your opponent. The moves were designed for actual combat by Samurai, they did not intend them to be used in "Sport" and let up as to not harm your opponent too much.
It's a lot about theory as well. In a real fight, you might not get the moves perfectly down, but it's the theory of fighting. Weight, momentum, balance... what's not supposed to bend in which direction, you know the sort? You might not pull off perfect throws or locks, but you can use the theories behind these moves to bring em down.
You're right. Ju-jitsu is the art of adaptability! Devastate the opponent with multiple strikes go for a controlling technique or an ultimate finish and be prepared and mobile enough to flow as the situation dictates.
To all these people who say this wouldn't work in a fight... well, find me a martial art that can't fail in a fight and i'll be impressed. In jitsu, you learn to defend against many different attacks and respond in many situations. There will always be a difference between knowing the techniques and how well you will use them in a real fight, but that's what training is about.
The first part of the clip show was from a 16 hour seminar of torture for a group of cops. Trust me after that much pain in such a short period of time you become ultra sensitive.
good demo, and good response according to levels of escalating violence. i personally have done aikido, muay thai and kyokushin for years now (am only 26 so i have many more to go), and it's good to see other arts and how they can be incorporated to add to my versatility.
You have a great start on a unique journey. Priorities in life change but if you can stay the path & keep an open mind you will have some exciting stories to tell and have a fantastic awareness and understanding that will continually grow. True martial arts is about the inner development of the participant. Good luck and have fun!!
fzinck, I really admire your positive patience. It's sad that you even need to remind people that violence can take many different forms and begin or progress through to many different levels. Violence isn't one-dimensional and I think your system is clearly designed to managment threat or attack at a variety of different levels. You are a credit to your system.
You're absolutely right. The comment "Violence isn't one-dimensional" is exactly the phase I'm looking for. Some systems focus on violence in a cage match, some it's point situations, others like mine deal with a variety of violence (including passive resistance) thus often martial artists with little to no experience see it as being weak or ineffective because they lack this basic understanding.
what works as a throw is the hip throw demonstrated in the clips. as does the armbar from guard, also included. but there is a lot of stuff in there which does not work. if a person is still free to flail and attempt to escape, then they shall. my advice would be to check what really works for yourselves if you're serious about defending yourselves. see the bigger picture, think about what it is that you feel that loyalty towards. i did.
You lack understanding of what ju-jitsu is all about. There are many forms of violence with many levels of engagement, which have many stages of escalation and de-escalation. Once you understand this, you will realize that different techniques for different forms of violence, at different levels, at different stages. It's not that hard to understand. Ju-Jitsu is about adapting to an ever changing stimulus. It's just a demo clip of differing techniques. You need to see the bigger picture.
You say a hip throw is good technique... is it any good on the ground, no, wrong technique for the form of violence. Is it any good when the guy is punching you repeatedly in the face, no, wrong technique for the level of violence and/or stage. A guy grabs you and is pushing you back, yes good technique (along with a million other). Understand this and things in this clip will be clearer for you.
i do not lack understanding at all. i have practiced many martial arts, including traditional and brazilian jits. we'll never agree. but my final comment would be that if your video was intended to impress me, i saw through it. if it was to show off, then i give it a mixed reception. all the best to you and your progress within your chosen discipline.
You make it sound like a conspiracy theory, dude it's just a demo clip of various workshops, classes and private workouts. So where do I find your video clips at?
i'm not trying to make money. i don't teach. and i don't try to show off. i don't need to post clips for any reason. i place my faith in scott sonnon and gracie ju jitsu.
My clubs are all non-profit so my motives are honourable. Keep training, keep an open mind to new possibilities you may learn something new. Best of luck to you.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS VIDEO IS OF A DEMONSTRATION....A DEMO....it is supposed to be done slowly...it is merely illustrating principles of a much bigger art. To all of you who say this stuff doesn't work in the street...do some research FFS. Master Zinck is showing a great deal of patience in replying to your comments...do him the same courtesy and stay polite.
Once again you are my voice of reason!! There are so few of you guys that actually understand the true essence of the martial arts. But there are more brainwashed young'ins on Youtube then old guys like me. Let these kids commit 30 passionate years to an art and you know these comments would be completely different. Thank you for your kind support.
sorry guys, but if you think that this stuff will really work against a psycho who really wants to hurt you, then i suggest you go try it. make sure you have backing from a very good and understanding personal injury insurer though.
I suggest you try a martial arts class with a reputable instructor that doesn't try to inflate your ego. You will soon understand that you can not judge an entire style by a 4 minute DEMO clip.
La verdad es que el Ju jitsu es el Arte Marcial mas completo que haiga visto, y en realidad el ju jitsu no es para comensar una pelea, es para defenderte de una y rapido sin perder tu tiempo,y dejando a tu oponente inmovil, yo practicaba ju jitsu, nunca habia oido de el, pero la verdad es que me encanto y cuando veo estos videos la sangre me hierve!! Ju jitsu es agil, rapido y FUERTE! y quien lo practica es pacifista.
I think these techiques are more to stop a fight from happening rather than to do once a fight starts. You know when they drunk guy grabs you on the shoulder or something, one move and he's down, before he even starts throwing punches. Cool stuff.
Yes, I keep saying it, there are many forms of violence and many levels of it as well as many levels of resistance. There are also situational factors, I wouldn't pound my drunk annoying friend, but I would control him if need be.
Yes, but even a duke'm out fight has stages, starting from the initial contact (controlling techniques could be used) to punches being thrown to possibly a clinch and drag down to the ground for grappling. You're telling me you didn't see any techniques (out of the over 60 moves in the clip) that could be applied to this situation? You are highly misinformed and lack some understanding.
Last week a street guy grabbed my arm when I wouldn't give him money. As he spun me around I rolled his wrist and shoulder cranked him to the ground before I could determine whether he was going to throw punches. I felt good that no one was hurt, there was never a chance for him to throw a punch.... Isn't this what any good martial artist should strive for?
ur takin g way 2 seriously, u sound like a guy who definatly knows what hes talkin about, but dont fukin patronise me m8, iv bin in plenty of fights an i dont lack understanding. i box alot and simple boxing techniques work for me. was only expressin an opinion, an to be honest ur right, iv watched it agen and i can see dat sum move could be used in a fight.
Sorry dude no offence meant. I get tons of emails and comments mostly from kids who think the only violence that exists is a schoolyard fight or what they see on UFC. They don't consider violence against women, simple assault, an unsolicited grab, being controlled or the many more forms of violence and their complex stages. It's easy to criticize a clip without understanding this point. Comments speak volumes of a person's knowledge, tread carefully or you could look foolish.
Are you kidding?? If it's effective against a non resisting opponent than it's a good technique for that level of resistance. Ju-Jitsu uses a variety of techniques designed for various forms of violence at varies levels of resistance. Why is this so hard to understand?
what is effective depends on individual/ assailant, but the wrist+elbow lock,properly done, hurts more than dislocation,break, or torn ligaments because the master changes the angles to avoid nerve desensitation(pain numbing) so it stays sore, and gives a constant sense of shock. ps these are very difficult moves to learn. watching the film twice won`t make you second dan etc
Great video. Great moves and very well demonstrated. Jujitsu has saved my life on many occassions. I learnt the Art to hopefully never need it but for them times i have used it was worth the blood, pain, sweat and tears i have expeirenced whole learining. With the ever growing gun and knife crimein Britain today it is strongly recommened you teach your children theis fine Art. Love the video once again
steveo1585 2 years ago 3
dude the ones with the chair have to hurt so much
PolarizXXX 2 years ago
have you ever broken anyones arm training?
mikespike88 3 years ago
heheheheh never.... Senior students know each other well and know each other limits. It's more likely that senior belts will be hurt by beginners as beginners don't realize how little pressure is needed to inflict pain or break something. Plus beginners often lose their balance when someone reacts to pain and Uke gets hurt.
fzinck 3 years ago
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WTFLEETERS 3 years ago
only time I ever broke someone's arm was in competition. this is a great video, the instructors need some practice on their throwing techniques (my background is Judo first Ju-Jitsu Second) but it reminds me of Wally Jay's Dance of pain. All the cool little tricks.
JudoJasonTemple 3 years ago
never have broken anything from anyone :) the worst injury i caused is a bleeding nose :D
xenariz 3 years ago
I love Ju Jitsu I'm a green belt now one tag! Its awesome!
NiiiamhS 3 years ago
Dear oh dear. I'm sure it all sounds unrealistic but not all techniques are 100% waterproof. Ju Jitsu is also about adaptation. Everything depends on everything. Having a good sensei is very important. One that knows the why's and what and how's. Not one that says: KICK! and then doesn't explain why it's effective.
LeBadman 3 years ago 5
dear shogundidier69 I just hope you're not an english teacher.
topsails7 3 years ago
I would like to take Ju Jitsu basked upon what I saw in the clip. However, the only martial arts taught in my area is tang su do. We have 3 studios that teach it. Does anyone know if Tang Su Do teaches similar techniques like Ju jitsu?
0466rymaspencer 3 years ago
Good question, I'm not familiar with it. Most clubs will allow you to drop in and have a look at a class and see if it appeals to you. If you're interested in martial arts and its the only one available, try it! You might enjoy it. The instructor will break or make a class so be sure you visit first. Trust your intuition.
fzinck 3 years ago
Tang Soo Do IIRC is kind of a parent art, much the same as JuJitsu. It's a fairly rounded art but does focus mainly on strikes. From what I've seen it is fairly similar to Kung Fu in many ways and similar to JuJitsu in others. :) As fzinck says though, it is the instructor that is the most important factor, the student is the second and the art is the third. :)
sanjuricus 3 years ago
hi, very good techniques, I've like them and I think that I've efficacity thinks look 8
thanks for this good moment! I'll try some off them whith my students ! Didier RAHIR
shogundidier69 3 years ago
Let me know how you make out. Thanks for the positive comments.
fzinck 3 years ago
i have been doing jujitsu for about 3 or 4 years now, and there are different styles of jujitsu, some are gentler than others but saying that it is useless in real life situations is stupid, look at all the mma fights people that know ground only get there ass kicked and people that only know stand up get there ass kicked, you can not spar jujitsu very well because it is just too brutal, the slightest ammout of force will snap a mans bone in half, comment back of what u think cheers
IlovekellyRBanks 3 years ago
you can spar perfectly well and with relative safety in protective gear.Some stuff will need to be banned of course but youll still know who would emerge on top under full contact pressure.Being too brutal an art was what most styles thought until nhb matches proved otherwise with minimal rules.Dont recall many bones snapped in half in mma '93 through '08.
billysue2 3 years ago
have you seen the bjj matches, iv been to a few here in aust and iv seen a few broken arms, generally basic arm bars gone wrong(guy didnt tap) but i saw one guy get his arm snapped from reverse fig.4, the guy had a compound fracture and they had to repair most of his tendons because they wrapped around his shoulder
IlovekellyRBanks 3 years ago
armbars taken to extreme ranges produce dilocation of the joint,would be extremely rare to break a bone in two as you claimed was easiy done.Its a matter of biomechanics not effectiveness .
billysue2 3 years ago
You seem to be focusing on the art as a sport. JJ in particular is a 'brutal' art. But, it is also one that you must respect the art itself as well as the people you are practising with. This isn't something that you just go full boar into because someone could get hurt or worse. You practise the art for the sake of the art not for accolades and accomplishments, not 'to win' as these MMA's have been preaching all these years.
kurtis51 3 years ago
I would say practice for self improvement,whether that be self defense,art,character, its up to your motivations.Not everyone who practises mma enters the cage,I personally spar for fun and stress release with self defense a close second.
billysue2 3 years ago
I would say practice for self improvement,whether that be self defense,art,character, its up to your motivations.Not everyone who practises mma enters the cage,I personally spar for fun and stress release with self defense a close second.
billysue2 3 years ago
fair enough, but it depends on the arm bar its self, where it is focussed on, fig.4's focus on shoulder and tendons, basic arm barr, usually elbow, so...yeh
IlovekellyRBanks 3 years ago
I've 5th kyy. This is very good job.:)
JaRo93333 3 years ago
im a green belt in jujitsu i'v been takeing it for a while
strike0909 3 years ago
lol I'm green belt Ju-Jitsu, and I'm 15 years old.. I could have been blue belt but I missed a exam :(. But Ju-Jitsu is 1 of the coolest martial arts I have ever seen ;)
PS: I'm from Holland
fireflamefall 3 years ago
Thats awesome. Keep at it.
fzinck 3 years ago
This is brilliant, I am a green belt ju-jitsu and it is the best thing I have ever done, my kids are both junior black belts.
I can honestly say I feel quite safe walking the streets knowing I could defend myself and break someones arm or leg if attacked and by the way I am a 50 year old woman so it is never too late to join a class
pinkmercedes01 3 years ago
Good on you for getting into JuJitsu. It's NEVER too late to start, you are absolutely right on that one. :)
sanjuricus 3 years ago
My good friend Sanjuricus is correct as usual... Good on you. This world needs more positive role models.
fzinck 3 years ago
whats really cool about this is that it's not like any of that other stuff it's all about useing your opponents force against him and quick submission tech. this if u take out the jabs and punchs is a perfect way to lern wrestleing as well
SDSG13 3 years ago
This kicks ass, i don't care what anyone says. I'm checking in to a ju-jitsu dojo first chance i get. Thank you fzinck
michil75 3 years ago
Thank you my friend... you are the reason I posted this. I'm glad you enjoyed and are motivated by it to check out ju-jitsu.
fzinck 3 years ago
go to alljujitsu . com
vitaminabcabc 4 years ago
yeah this is combat jiu jitsu =D
vitaminabcabc 4 years ago
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vitaminabcabc 4 years ago
jujitsu ownes man i do jujitsu and it ownes every martial arts. i also do taekwon do and jujitsu can beat taekwondo easily and also any other form of martial arts. jujitsu FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikegindin 4 years ago
I do Karate and Ju-Jitsu and there are more options in Ju-Jitsu for sure... but the warrior makes the difference really. Do you agree?
fzinck 4 years ago
actually ur rite i do agree. it will make a difference but im saying it wil be much mor practical in a fight.
mikegindin 4 years ago
i doesnt seem real...its fake crap
Midnight2802 4 years ago
You need to join a martial arts club and maybe you will understand like so many here. Its seems unreal to the uninformed but to those who practise they understand.
fzinck 4 years ago
Fake? In what way? I used to do Ju Jitsu and believe me, when you're on the receiving end- it hurts..alot so you go wherever the pain is least- that's how it works.
magicdosh 3 years ago
Your right!
fzinck 3 years ago
its not fake but just a timid demo of what would happen if the attacker stood there like a corpse with no agression or intent.Its just that these demos wouldnt impress anyone but a non contact fighter or novice.What annoys me about clips like these is the instructor looking all proud as if they have shown something meaningful.
billysue2 3 years ago
I think you need an huge ego check! Try spending some time with one system and dedicate your life to being creative and positive instead of negative and destructive.
fzinck 3 years ago
my god ur stupid, this is a beginning demo, and i beleive this is a demo for prison guards, later on in jujitsu around purple /brown belt you do compromisation excersises, like if this goes wrong i can do that then if that goes wrong i can do this, and you do it full speed, its just up to you if you tell your training partner to hit you harder and resist so shut ur face
IlovekellyRBanks 3 years ago
Lets face it BillySue2 really has no idea that this is a video of demo's not training. Stupid people make comments on things they have not seen. This video doesn't show the 16 hours of training yet he is compelled to write about it. It show a lack of maturity and real understanding.
fzinck 3 years ago
I find it so very odd that your clips manage to attract comments from some astoundingly ill-informed people with such alarming frequency...yet many of the truly poor clips on YouTube recieve nothing but praise from these same people. Who'da Thunk it!
sanjuricus 3 years ago
hehehehehehe, If nothing else I'm controversial! My late GrandMaster was very outspoken and told people exactly what he thought. I'm not as brash as he was but it does boil my blood at times. If nothing else you can really tell who has true training experience and understanding and who is an arm chair warrior wannabe. I notice too that these people who know it all have no training clips of their own :-)
fzinck 3 years ago
what the hell is this crap .A magic show TaDaaa
imajorhavoc 4 years ago
Magic show?? What have you been drinking? Martial arts is not magic. It takes years of dedication.
fzinck 4 years ago
These guys aren't good at all ! Really !
IrMiMaPi 4 years ago
You base this on your years of dedicated skate boarding? Its so easy to critisize... Try joining a martial arts class?
fzinck 4 years ago
jujitsu is the best to learn
delmar1985 4 years ago
cnoetzli is very right, the person must know whats happening or they will almost always break something, thats the whole point of jujitsu. It hurts a bit, hurts a bit, then it breaks. If you don't know whats coming or you try to be a tough guy and say it doesn't hurt and you don't feel anything, then your gunna break something! Oh yes, and you must ALWAYS run or avoid fights first, before going into a fight.
Looleefish 4 years ago
this bs
sliva3 4 years ago
Just the type of unrealistic choreographed rubbish that will put you in real danger, should you choose to apply it in a real street fight.
chicohunt 4 years ago
...aaaaand there we have it!!! :) lol
sanjuricus 4 years ago 5
You have to practice it, master it, and then give your opinion about any technique or style... You need to open your mind - Watching some other youtube videos might help you.
GuayacoKid 4 years ago 2
Agree... About techniques: Don´t try taekwondoo!! That will get you in danger in a real street fight! Believe me! Try Muay thai instead.
Anthraxx132 4 years ago
choreographed? just because the partner knows what is coming? that is how you practice.
this type of ju-jitsu you cannot practice in randori fashion. something will break.
cnoetzli 4 years ago 2
if ye cant do randori with a technique then you dont know if you can rely on it.Ive practised trad jujutsu for some years but left because of static drilling,no contact sparring and completely unrealistic groundwork.I now have returned to boxing and wrestling and begun bjj which are real pressure tests.
billysue2 3 years ago
That's a stupid philosophy. People with no understanding always say idiotic things like a technique needs top be tested in reality. Like MMA or randori is reality, it is not. I don't need to be shot to understand a gun will hurt me. This is a clip from a seminar of instructional content. It does not show the 16 hours of training. Anyone with any clue or experience would know this.
fzinck 3 years ago
as close to reality with relative safety.I would suggest its those with the understanding who would hold this opinion.I am aware its a seminar,but one which is showing very poor training methods.23 years experience but would only count the last 3 or 4 as productive in a physical sense.
billysue2 3 years ago
I understand what you're saying but you're kinda missing the point. Fzinck has stated that this is a few minutes out of several hours of INSTRUCTION. The people at this seminar would likely have been new to these techniques and would not have benefitted from 'realism' in the demonstration of any of the techniques. Learn the basics first and get a good foundation to build on first. :)
sanjuricus 3 years ago
Agree!
chicothreat 4 years ago
why do people feel the need to make negative comments when they dont understand what they see.these people are not sparring they are learning and demonstrating at a visable pace technique.ive studied many arts and used to work on doors and can tell you ive stopped much larger opponents in their tracks with ju jitsu many times.if anything you have to worry about causing too much damage with ju litsu if you get in a fight
skahead63 4 years ago
It's obvious this person doesn't have clue... and it's equally obvious of the people who are or have been training in the martial arts.
fzinck 4 years ago
if theyre impressed then they must have traing and vice versa?Ask any pro full contact fighter,mma or judo,wrestler what they think of this clip and youll get the same response... it isnt realistic.
billysue2 3 years ago
You really do not have any understanding of what this is about. Join a martial art. Two of the participants in this vid were MMA and they loved the course.
fzinck 3 years ago
i've lots of experience with a single art(15 years) but practised much like yourselves,touch contact,prearranged drills,low or no resistance,katas.Contact styles like boxing and wrestling woke me up and I now wonder why I blindly followed my instructor for so long.
billysue2 3 years ago
at least u no the stuff he teaches works
miltontongz01 4 years ago
Ain't that the truth!!! I'm now waiting for another onslaught of 'That would never work in the street' comments....c'mon people...where are they!!!
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I'd hate to be in this class, all I hear is a painful "AHH." every 5 seconds.
SwtMsT 4 years ago
i wish you would show more stuff on this grandmaster he's great!
wailiquan 4 years ago
He was funny character. I have hours of painful video. His head was filled tons of knowledge and he was a fun guy to just hang with.
fzinck 4 years ago
Are these just clips you have accumulated or is this an individual dojo. I am very interest to know where it is if so, because I am a beginner looking for a good place to train. Some of the technique here is impressive. Makes me feel good to see some stuff I know too.
rhshoss07 4 years ago
This is all from my dojo in Dartmouth, NS, Some from our Windsor, Ont club. Most clips are from various seminars in Dartmouth.
fzinck 4 years ago
yes this was great i can see it.
wailiquan 4 years ago
outstanding!!
there is internal power here.
who is the guy in the multi colored gi?
i'm inspired.
thanks!
wailiquan 4 years ago
He was my late Grand Master, Master Jacques Dionne. I used to tease him about his gi. Tell him he looked like spiderman. He was a great man, painful too heheheheheheh.
fzinck 4 years ago
HI thanks for the vid..
I have been thinking on begining to learn Jijutsu for a really long time. and this gave me the fully insperation to it!..
THANK U VERY MUCH!!
annedorthe5000 4 years ago
Then my job is done :-) There are a lot people who do not understand the martial arts and who find it easy to criticize a clip to make them selves feel tough and knowledgeable. You are the reason I post such clips. MA should be fun, enlightening and build your self-esteem. Make sure you find an instructor you trust who has his ego in check. Thank you for this honest comment. Good luck!
fzinck 4 years ago
Thanks for the nice words and the good luck-thing. I'll be sure to find a good intructor, my dad know one who is a very nice person.. and i'll give it all i got. But i got a question..
annedorthe5000 4 years ago
Ask away.
fzinck 4 years ago
How does it work.. is it like karate,do u get belts in it ??
annedorthe5000 4 years ago
Styles can differ. Some go white, green, brown, black. Mine has 6 belts to black with some stripes in the higher belts. The big thing is that if you're learning & having fun & feel like you're part of something great, belts won't matter. Just stick with it and they will come.
fzinck 4 years ago
ive practiced taijitsu for 2 years and realized that theres a psychological effect that happens when you are the uke. you tend to make things more dramatic and exagerated when being thrown etc.. the techniques DO hurt just, rarely would you be able to apply some of these things in real life. If its self defense we are talking about someone will be AGRESSIVE not just grabbing u or standing there waiting to get chopped in the neck.
tropicof 4 years ago
There many forms of violence. Not just someone swinging wildly. Have you never been pushed, held at bay. The problem is all you guys see is defending from a psycho punching the crap out of you. Why? How did it get so far? You didn't see it? You can't give yourself permission to control the situation prior to punches? The minutes prior when your gut say's "holly crap!" is the time for action. If you have awareness you'll understand this is the time when locks work or after several impacts.
fzinck 4 years ago
See your last line makes no sense me. Hundreds of women every day are grabbed aggressively and verbally abused while the guy just stands there waiting to be chopped in the neck! Is it an attack? Of course! Should she defend herself? Damn straight. Get your head outside the schoolyard, start thinking outside the box and start looking at a bigger picture and you'll be a better martial artist!
fzinck 4 years ago
So u are saying that this is used before the situation actually begins to become really violent, in a way that its a "Storm breaker".
annedorthe5000 4 years ago
It can be. You need to understand that there are many forms, levels & stages of violence & tactically it makes sense to understand all of them before they become out of hand. Violence is not just two guys squaring off. Be able to deal with punches flying, but have the ability to control the unwanted advances of a drunk without kicking the crap out of him for example.
fzinck 4 years ago
A finger lock can be used to control or cripple. It can be obtained during passive resistance or when you're in an all out brawl. Martial Arts is about the process and study of technique. Anyone can pull fingers back, can you break them by simply turning your wrist 1 inch using less than 2lbs of pressure? Do you know how to "base" out the joint? Do you understand the principles of "Dual forces"? Or is your MA about bash and crash? I don't care what style you do, just be technical about it.
fzinck 4 years ago
If anything, JuJitsu is MORE effective against a rabid flailing opponent...they are less in control of their body which allows you more control. It's amazing just how much remaining calm can increase your reactions and thoughts...
sanjuricus 4 years ago
this is aikijitsu isn't it
Kris0990 4 years ago
I see where you're coming from but no, it's JuJitsu. Possibly flavoured with a little AtemiJutsu?
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I see your point. I should not have called it JJ clipshow. It takes in a lot of seminar stuff too from Control Tactics course and probably doesn't represent our practice or style to the best degree. I plan to fix that soon with new videos.
fzinck 4 years ago
why ogh why do people use complex arlocks and specific nerv strikes and call it jujitsu
try that on a drunk with a knife and youd be in the emargency ward whats wrong with a good solid hip throw o goshshi ko tsuri goshi and whay get some on in a leg lock what you and get a perfect ippon seonaggi and kill him ??????????
snakepeel00 4 years ago
You lack understanding of what ju-jitsu is all about. There are many forms of violence with many levels of engagement, which have many stages of escalation and de-escalation. Once you understand this, you will realize that different techniques for different forms of violence, at different levels, at different stages. It's not that hard to understand. Ju-Jitsu is about adapting to an ever changing stimulus. It's just a demo clip of differing techniques. You need to see the bigger picture.
fzinck 4 years ago
perhaps i lack the undersatnd of your style ?
we train in real life confrontations
dont you think there are too man6y styles of jitsu that are basied on bjj and not authentic japinese jujitsu
and with any form of jitsu a complex arm lock isnt the way to go in a voilent confrontaion block and evade or throw
not spending possible 6 seconds bending a persons arm round i dont think that would work with a non compliant uke
i welcome your responce
chris
snakepeel00 4 years ago
You are missing the key fact here....IT'S A DEMONSTRATION!!! ffs the number of people who come on here and go on and on about how half of these techniques wouldn't work in a fight or how they're being done too slow is astounding. Granted not every Ju Jitsu technique is viable in a street fight...thats no reason to not learn them. They increase your understanding of the body and your techniques.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
Dont get me wrong its a good demo i just feel we have difrent styles i was always taught that a demo was to show what is possible to do under a certian situation
snakepeel00 4 years ago
You just don't get it Snakepee. There is more levels of violence than just two guys squaring off and different forms of resistance. Hey, Where are your videos? Easy to critisize, difficult to think outside the box!
fzinck 4 years ago
the fact that you reverted to childish name calling makes me doubt your knowledge of anything, this guy made some good points.
SchmittySwitch 4 years ago
erm....no, he didn't make any good points....and the name calling I suspect was a typo...snakepee...snakepeel...easily done.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
sorry then, he raised some points but i cant be bothered to argue on youtube. All hail sunjuricus
SchmittySwitch 4 years ago
Thats more like it....WORSHIP MEEEE! :D
sanjuricus 4 years ago
Hmm, I've never seen before such version of tomoe-nage (03:51).
Really interesting video.
Shahhor 4 years ago
It's closer to Sumi Gaeshi than Tomoe Nage IMHO. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
Ya we use Tomoe Nage but this technique is used when someone tries to avoid Tomoe nage by maybe pushes his hips back or maybe you didn't get a tight tuck and are too far out. Sweep the legs out and go for the mount.
fzinck 4 years ago
Quebec, Montreal.
ryno123321 4 years ago
So close yet so far away... that's a drag. I have students with clubs in Ontario too.
fzinck 4 years ago
ahaha, like you said.. so close and yet so far away...
ryno123321 4 years ago
I'd so pay for your classes but im in canada !
ryno123321 4 years ago
I'm in Nova Scotia where are you??
fzinck 4 years ago
i still think helio gracies style is the best self defense style... im under pedro valente of gracie miami and hes awesome and his protege carlo.
rmraiders24 4 years ago
Finally some real JuJitsu on here. Im so tired of seeing only BJJ.
tapmaster209 4 years ago
Hmm.. Ju-Jitsu was designed to fight against people wearing armour, hence the techniques against locks and joints, as opposed to striking your fist off armour.. Right?
AncileOmega 4 years ago
It was more to do with fighting people with weapons, hence attacking the hands and arms first, ur right that they had armour too but it was mainly to take someones weapon off them so you yourself could use it
cryingindian 4 years ago
Keep in mind they weren't always in armour either. Part of the system was policing using subject control, weapons retention, warfare combat as well as person self defence. Often systems specialized in areas depending on the period in time, duties, region or status. That is why traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu is so complicated and takes so long to achieve rank today, there's a lot of stuff to learn. My Ju-Jitsu style takes three times longer to achieve black belt than most karate styles.
fzinck 4 years ago
Haha, I feel more than a little uneducated now. I think the shortest time possible to get black belt in my Ju-Jitsu style is two years, but that'd only be if you did every grading (Grading every three months).
Ancile 4 years ago
Three months!!! My students aren't eligible to grade unless they have put in 6 months minimum up to green belt and 9-12 months above that. Brown to black can be three years. There are two levels of Blue belt and three levels of brown. Each syllabus contains 30+ techniques with a dozen variations of each. But then again my old Grand Master did love to torture us hehehehehehe.
fzinck 4 years ago
Wow, that's a lot more than we have. xD
We only have one level for each belt, and fourteen lessons is the minimum to go for your first grading according to the Budo Pass you get. I had to do twenty-six lessons (Maybe I sucked? xD) before grading for the first time, two lessons a week - Don't know what that is in months, too lazy to work it out. Not the best attitude for someone who enjoys Martial Arts to have, but damn - I'm sort of put off by how much you guys have to do. o_o
AncileOmega 4 years ago
In my style it takes around 4 years to Black if you go at it like a nutter and grade at every possible opportunity. Personally I think it should take longer...the lower grades tend to get an easy time of it and standards are slipping. :(
sanjuricus 4 years ago
In defence of my style, the current head of our part of the WJJF doesn't let people get to Black Belt unless they really deserve it. You do actually have to be good, but I do agree that standards seem to be slipping - The more a style becomes commercialized, at least. There are Tae Kwaun Do classes before my Ju-Jitsu classes, and there are people going for their black belts who have about the same level of skill as people in my Ju-Jitsu class at their second belt.
AncileOmega 4 years ago
Ya near where I live you can get a tae kwon-do black belt in a year going twice a week. It's crazy. But here they charge $500 for a shodan and $1500 for each degree above that. My style pays $20 for colored belt gradings and zero for Dan grades.
fzinck 4 years ago
WOOHOO! Welcome to some more people who sound as if they actually know what they're talking about. :) Smownage, rhshoss07....I doff my hat to you ;)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
Finally some intelligence in the forum.
fzinck 4 years ago
This was a technique developed by Samurai for real intent to harm your opponent. The trouble with any demo videos or practice training is that original Japanese Ju Jitsu has to be highly regulated because you can seriously harm your opponent. The moves were designed for actual combat by Samurai, they did not intend them to be used in "Sport" and let up as to not harm your opponent too much.
rhshoss07 4 years ago
Fat guys tend to be weak at the wrists :P.
It's a lot about theory as well. In a real fight, you might not get the moves perfectly down, but it's the theory of fighting. Weight, momentum, balance... what's not supposed to bend in which direction, you know the sort? You might not pull off perfect throws or locks, but you can use the theories behind these moves to bring em down.
Smownage 4 years ago
what if u were fighting a big fat guy?
blackhawk777 4 years ago
Then you would use his own weight and momentum against him. Deflect and direct. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
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agetechklavye 4 years ago
And anyway, in jitsu as well, there's almost always a back up plan. Someone grabs me? Wrist lock no. 2.
Doesn't make them give up? Kick to the face?
Still going? I still have their wrist. Let's bring them to to the floor.
Not crying in pain? Stamp on head?
still conscious? I still have the arm of a dazed opponent. I think i'll just break it.
Smownage 4 years ago
You're right. Ju-jitsu is the art of adaptability! Devastate the opponent with multiple strikes go for a controlling technique or an ultimate finish and be prepared and mobile enough to flow as the situation dictates.
fzinck 4 years ago
To all these people who say this wouldn't work in a fight... well, find me a martial art that can't fail in a fight and i'll be impressed. In jitsu, you learn to defend against many different attacks and respond in many situations. There will always be a difference between knowing the techniques and how well you will use them in a real fight, but that's what training is about.
Smownage 4 years ago
Its not Ju-Jitsu But it's cool technique;]
Wolf0111 4 years ago
I don't see what is so darn funny in this clip. Try again...
MaxBel7 4 years ago
the arm and wrist locks are ok, the rest is regular
alfa2389 4 years ago
some off that look abit fake or atleast overagsaturated
2possi 4 years ago
The first part of the clip show was from a 16 hour seminar of torture for a group of cops. Trust me after that much pain in such a short period of time you become ultra sensitive.
fzinck 4 years ago
At last some other people who see this clip for what it actually is.... A Demo of a few aspects of a much bigger Art. :)
Should I ever find myself in your neighbourhood fzinck, I'll be sure to pay you a visit. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I would be honoured. I am in the UK every August for Karate. Where about are you?
fzinck 4 years ago
Derbyshire in the Midlands. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
good demo, and good response according to levels of escalating violence. i personally have done aikido, muay thai and kyokushin for years now (am only 26 so i have many more to go), and it's good to see other arts and how they can be incorporated to add to my versatility.
narusux 4 years ago
You have a great start on a unique journey. Priorities in life change but if you can stay the path & keep an open mind you will have some exciting stories to tell and have a fantastic awareness and understanding that will continually grow. True martial arts is about the inner development of the participant. Good luck and have fun!!
fzinck 4 years ago
fzinck, I really admire your positive patience. It's sad that you even need to remind people that violence can take many different forms and begin or progress through to many different levels. Violence isn't one-dimensional and I think your system is clearly designed to managment threat or attack at a variety of different levels. You are a credit to your system.
GothikaCro 4 years ago
fair comments guys.
i shall, and do.
i hope you do too.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
You're absolutely right. The comment "Violence isn't one-dimensional" is exactly the phase I'm looking for. Some systems focus on violence in a cage match, some it's point situations, others like mine deal with a variety of violence (including passive resistance) thus often martial artists with little to no experience see it as being weak or ineffective because they lack this basic understanding.
fzinck 4 years ago
what works as a throw is the hip throw demonstrated in the clips. as does the armbar from guard, also included. but there is a lot of stuff in there which does not work. if a person is still free to flail and attempt to escape, then they shall. my advice would be to check what really works for yourselves if you're serious about defending yourselves. see the bigger picture, think about what it is that you feel that loyalty towards. i did.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
You lack understanding of what ju-jitsu is all about. There are many forms of violence with many levels of engagement, which have many stages of escalation and de-escalation. Once you understand this, you will realize that different techniques for different forms of violence, at different levels, at different stages. It's not that hard to understand. Ju-Jitsu is about adapting to an ever changing stimulus. It's just a demo clip of differing techniques. You need to see the bigger picture.
fzinck 4 years ago
You say a hip throw is good technique... is it any good on the ground, no, wrong technique for the form of violence. Is it any good when the guy is punching you repeatedly in the face, no, wrong technique for the level of violence and/or stage. A guy grabs you and is pushing you back, yes good technique (along with a million other). Understand this and things in this clip will be clearer for you.
fzinck 4 years ago
i do not lack understanding at all. i have practiced many martial arts, including traditional and brazilian jits. we'll never agree. but my final comment would be that if your video was intended to impress me, i saw through it. if it was to show off, then i give it a mixed reception. all the best to you and your progress within your chosen discipline.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
You make it sound like a conspiracy theory, dude it's just a demo clip of various workshops, classes and private workouts. So where do I find your video clips at?
fzinck 4 years ago
i'm not trying to make money. i don't teach. and i don't try to show off. i don't need to post clips for any reason. i place my faith in scott sonnon and gracie ju jitsu.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
My clubs are all non-profit so my motives are honourable. Keep training, keep an open mind to new possibilities you may learn something new. Best of luck to you.
fzinck 4 years ago
jujitsu is a great martial art it can be used in many different situations
AdysTwins 4 years ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS VIDEO IS OF A DEMONSTRATION....A DEMO....it is supposed to be done slowly...it is merely illustrating principles of a much bigger art. To all of you who say this stuff doesn't work in the street...do some research FFS. Master Zinck is showing a great deal of patience in replying to your comments...do him the same courtesy and stay polite.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
Once again you are my voice of reason!! There are so few of you guys that actually understand the true essence of the martial arts. But there are more brainwashed young'ins on Youtube then old guys like me. Let these kids commit 30 passionate years to an art and you know these comments would be completely different. Thank you for your kind support.
fzinck 4 years ago
sorry guys, but if you think that this stuff will really work against a psycho who really wants to hurt you, then i suggest you go try it. make sure you have backing from a very good and understanding personal injury insurer though.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
I suggest you try a martial arts class with a reputable instructor that doesn't try to inflate your ego. You will soon understand that you can not judge an entire style by a 4 minute DEMO clip.
fzinck 4 years ago
La verdad es que el Ju jitsu es el Arte Marcial mas completo que haiga visto, y en realidad el ju jitsu no es para comensar una pelea, es para defenderte de una y rapido sin perder tu tiempo,y dejando a tu oponente inmovil, yo practicaba ju jitsu, nunca habia oido de el, pero la verdad es que me encanto y cuando veo estos videos la sangre me hierve!! Ju jitsu es agil, rapido y FUERTE! y quien lo practica es pacifista.
JosueGL 4 years ago
I think these techiques are more to stop a fight from happening rather than to do once a fight starts. You know when they drunk guy grabs you on the shoulder or something, one move and he's down, before he even starts throwing punches. Cool stuff.
AiDavProductions 4 years ago
Yes, I keep saying it, there are many forms of violence and many levels of it as well as many levels of resistance. There are also situational factors, I wouldn't pound my drunk annoying friend, but I would control him if need be.
fzinck 4 years ago
these move probably wudnt work in a real fight, cos in reality fights are alot more scrappy, not as clear cut as this, or as simple.
gangstarrstu 4 years ago
You forget there are many forms of violence. You are only considering one form.
fzinck 4 years ago
thats true, cant argue with that but im talkin about like a street fight or a regular punch up
gangstarrstu 4 years ago
Yes, but even a duke'm out fight has stages, starting from the initial contact (controlling techniques could be used) to punches being thrown to possibly a clinch and drag down to the ground for grappling. You're telling me you didn't see any techniques (out of the over 60 moves in the clip) that could be applied to this situation? You are highly misinformed and lack some understanding.
fzinck 4 years ago
Last week a street guy grabbed my arm when I wouldn't give him money. As he spun me around I rolled his wrist and shoulder cranked him to the ground before I could determine whether he was going to throw punches. I felt good that no one was hurt, there was never a chance for him to throw a punch.... Isn't this what any good martial artist should strive for?
fzinck 4 years ago
ur takin g way 2 seriously, u sound like a guy who definatly knows what hes talkin about, but dont fukin patronise me m8, iv bin in plenty of fights an i dont lack understanding. i box alot and simple boxing techniques work for me. was only expressin an opinion, an to be honest ur right, iv watched it agen and i can see dat sum move could be used in a fight.
gangstarrstu 4 years ago
Sorry dude no offence meant. I get tons of emails and comments mostly from kids who think the only violence that exists is a schoolyard fight or what they see on UFC. They don't consider violence against women, simple assault, an unsolicited grab, being controlled or the many more forms of violence and their complex stages. It's easy to criticize a clip without understanding this point. Comments speak volumes of a person's knowledge, tread carefully or you could look foolish.
fzinck 4 years ago
all sorts of stuff will work against a non resisting opponent. it doesn't make it good.
sirspawnsalot 4 years ago
Are you kidding?? If it's effective against a non resisting opponent than it's a good technique for that level of resistance. Ju-Jitsu uses a variety of techniques designed for various forms of violence at varies levels of resistance. Why is this so hard to understand?
fzinck 4 years ago
what is effective depends on individual/ assailant, but the wrist+elbow lock,properly done, hurts more than dislocation,break, or torn ligaments because the master changes the angles to avoid nerve desensitation(pain numbing) so it stays sore, and gives a constant sense of shock. ps these are very difficult moves to learn. watching the film twice won`t make you second dan etc
bigsnowaowan 4 years ago
Ah very good understanding bigsnowaowan!!
fzinck 4 years ago
more effective than sport karate, yes! But all karate is not sport karate. Okinawan goju ryu combines kicks, throws and locks and is very effective!
notlob1954 4 years ago
more effective than karate!
lifeisadream4 4 years ago