Slovenian Philosopher Slavoj Zizek on Capitalism, and the "Farcical" Financial Crisis 1 of 2

[oozinggloop]

Zizek... marry me.

[murrchops]

This guy is an idiot

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

oh and you are one of the world's great thinkers?

go troll the F^*King faux news website.

[murrchops]

@kidzed84 well I'm not half as dangerous as him, if you want to know where his bullshit leads societies go and read Hayek's "the road to serfdom"

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

that book is LONG discredited filled with inaccuracies. even mainstream academics won't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

right wing fascism is the road to serfdom.

left libertarianism (anarcho-socialism) as promoted by Zizek, Chomsky, Zinn, Goldman and Bookchin

is the way to a truly democratic and just society.

[murrchops]

@kidzed84 left libertarianism, you have to be joking with me, what the hell does that involve? The road to serfdom is basically correct socialism starts dictatorships. Dictators kill and torture people to stay in power.

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

okay discredited means discredited. as in its overall critique and thesis have been thoroughly disproven.

left-libertarianism is actually the ORIGINAL concept of libertarianism. coined by joseph pierre proudhon to distinguish itself from mutualism. it is also known as anarcho-socialism.

Fascism is the road to serfdom. Capitalism leads to fascism. wiki it- if you are interested in libertarianism at ALL you should know its historical context.

[murrchops]

@kidzed84 explain how capitalism leads to fascism I can assure you it doesn't. If it was Singapore, Hong Kong and Switzerland would be becoming fascist. I think not....

What leads to fascism is governments destroying the money of a country, look at the assignats in France leading to Napoleon and the paper Deutsch marks of Wiemar leading to Hitler...

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

Singapore: one party rule, and authoritarian.

HK: loss of public housing, services, and city council democracy in the last 30 years. Not to mention the much stricter rules on political parties since takeover.

Switzerland: just had a major banking scandal. Not to mention it has co-pay healthcare. Not entirely market economy.

Fascism according to Mussolini's definition is the convergence of the state and corporations. Pretty obvious how capitalism would play into that.

[murrchops]

@kidzed84 Tell them they're doing it wrong, I'm sure they are all so unhappy at being so oppressed, while you're at it you should tell the Chinese they've got it wrong as well and they should go back to their communal farms and factories. So you say the Swiss have it wrong as they have had a banking scandal and are not a libertarian state as they have a co-pay healthcare system? Are you actually trying to say Hong Kong was better off 30 years ago? What absolute rubbish...

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

You don't know anything, and yet seem to think this is a debate of equals. In this game of knowledge, you are the inferior opponent because you don't understand the basic (and i do mean basic) differences between right and left and their characterisation in political discourse.

[murrchops]

@kidzed84 If you could actually come up with a sensible response to the points I bring up I wouldn't be laughing at your self aggrandizing gibberish.....LOSER........

[kidzed84]

@murrchops

My reply was cogent, and although demonstrating a condescending tone, was infinitely more reasonable than outright  ad hominems;)

[tomitstube]

wow, this interview is a year and a half old? i remember watching it, seems like yesterday.

zizek thinks america has a political left. unlike european countries, the american political process is completely run by money. obama wants to raise one billion dollars for 2012. the citizens united case has all but usurped any thought of an american democracy surviving. we are heading for totalitarian corporate fascism. already 400 people have more wealth than 1/2 the country.

[astro7894]

I wish he would stop moving and i can concentrate on his words instead!

[TheMikeBuck]

This guy is funny but he gives himself a little too much credit.

[toesandumbrellas]

i love how you can always hear the people in the background laughing when zizek is on:)

[oleinfidel]

Mr. Zizek, if your ever in Ottawa please do look me up and we'll host you for a weekend and destroy a few bottles of wine over conversation !

[highway234]

i adore slavoj but be careful what you wish for: he WILL monopolize the conversation. :D

[ubermensch826]

@highway234 i see what you did there.