What people in Canada don't realize or Americans who think that Canada has awesome free health insurance, is that Canada does not have nearly as many issues with stacking debt, etc.
If they were to carry the weight America does on it's shoulders, it's healthcare would collapse.
And Canada DOES have a lottery system in most doctors, that and your health care is much poorer than America.
If it is so much better then why do so many Canadians come to America for major procedures?
@Night A. One town, it was ONE TOWN, taken from an extremely biased John Stossel report that had a lottery. A more isolated town of only 4000 people. Why? Because small rural towns, no matter what system, have trouble attracting docs. Why? Because its a small, rural town. B. Its a myth that many Canadians go south for care. Read the study Phantoms in the Snow that shows why. In the meantime, its predicted 1.3 Million Americans will go abroad for care this year they can't afford at home.
Wow. A lot of paragraph comments. I think the point you guys are all missing, is that if we got rid of a lot of the systems we have right now, most things would be cheaper. Why would you need to sue a doctor when all your medical expenses are super cheap? Your insurance was super cheap too, but it would still have all the coverage you need. Loser pays? Well you won't be that strapped for cash, you could AFFORD losing. You guys don't see how prosperous this nation could be.
Jesus PJ I am a huge fan of yours-- read Sock (just loved it) and am a frequent viewer of BS (I've seen every episode). I'm also a mother and a student, who cannot work full time while attending university. My parents small business went down with the economy and they can't afford to pay my health insurance, so I don't have any. That's fine. But Medicaid pays for my daughter to get her shots and her checkups, and to be seen when she's sick. What the fuck would I do without Medicaid? Quit school.
Glenn Beck was a great man, and then he went way way way off the deep end. I actually think this is the real Glenn Beck, and the zionists fear mongerer is just an act to keep FOX and his sponsors happy.
i live in Canada, ive never heard about anyone having trouble finding a family doctor, i think that one might be a myth. however, waiting room times are excrusiating, ive had to wait 5-6 hours just to be told theres nothing they can do. also, family doctors will over book themselves by 3 times because they make more money by seeing more people (not sure if thats in the US too). if you have a serious emergency, our health cares great, for anyone else its complete shit.
I've lived in Canada for 33 years, and we don't have a lottery to get a family doctor. Some places its a little harder than others but the guy there exaggerates.
Can't say i agree, people who can' t afford insurance should have acess to medical care, i do agree though it should be controlled by the individual, I think Australia's system works well the government provides cheap healthcare for those with low incomes and charges more as your wealth goes up but you have the choice to buy private insurance. All emergency wards are public though, which i think is a good thing.
Free healthcare isn't possible because nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for something in which they have but no choice but to have. It's Unconsitutional, and that's all that I need to hear to oppose it. It should at least be optional and on the state level at most.
The parasite class? Fuck YOU! What a smug piece of shit. Have the loser pay, you say? Hmmm, who's going to be able to get the better attorney? The working stiff or the rich doctor that was the support of the entire hospital behind him? Just another way to fuck the little guy in the ass.
@TheAlexaguis I didn't say the NHS was some sort of golden standard. In fact, most of what you have said I agree with. The reason why I think the government is constantly protesting that free or better health care is not possible is because they can't figure out how to spend money properly. They spend next to nothing on important services like health care and education because they claim that's all they have, but really the bulk of money is spent bailing out banks and fighting pointless wars.
Governments role in healthcare is not to consume the market, not to offer it as an entitlement, for both will make it harder to get and more costly to the taxpayer, though tragically, no one but the bureaucracy sees it; but rather to facilitate the market forces necessary to the expression of rational consumer choice to create legitimate demand, and supply will expand in response to the profit potential. It is absolutely true about animal health care: costs are lower and accessibility higher.
Why is it that people seem to think free health care just isn't possible? It's perfectly possible! Here in Britain, we have the NHS, and yes, waiting times are ridiculous for some procedures, but it's better than nothing or having to pay through the nose for it! Governments just need to sort their priorities out. Stupid amounts of money get wasted every year while school and health care budgets get cut in favour of playing politics over helping society. We voted you in. You work for us.
@PassTheMarmalade1957 its not free you pay reams of cash for a shit system the nhs is crap, i'd rather pay less tax and get better service like in france it works out cheaper in the long run why? because the nhs quality of care is sub par to the extent where people die tdue to lack of care with private you have rights as a customer with nhs you have none as its "free", socialism has failed schools get so much more money than before but are turning out more students who cant
@PassTheMarmalade1957 read or write, to save cash is simple dont waste it on pointless wars, or socialism both are pointless expensive and worsen the socioty of the parent country look 50 years ago in the uk, less crime per capita less wars less tax less sociaism the reverse is true today, no rights with regard to self defence or that of police to criminals the uk is as fucked up as the usa if not more so in some areas
@PassTheMarmalade1957 the problem is you have to trade in freedom for equality, just like you do if you where to change from capitalism to communism. under "free" health care, i trade my freedom of only paying for what I need, for the equality of everyone paying for what they dont necessarily need. private Vs. public health care is more an argument of principle than anything, and what principles are important to you will determine what side you support.
The biggest problem is pre-existing conditions - they won't cover you - other times they just take your premiums and then later try and wriggle out of it. If you have one thing wrong with you - they pay out for that - but for future claims of a similar thing they try and refuse you. So its adaptive the whole time - and the noose gets tighter and tighter. For me Private healthcare is not worth it - I get my diabetes drugs for nothing on the NHS - so I'll stick with that thank you very much.
Spot on. Universal healthcare will do nothing but degrade healthcare itself. Long wait times to see any specialist, more restrictions on private businesses make healthcare more expensive. As a 25 year old male that's never smoked, rarely drinks why should I pay a higher premium for those that do? Why should I pay for pregnancy insurance? All those added expenditures for degraded service. Join the military and attempt to see a dental specialist the you'll have a better understanding.
'Boo fuckety hoo, I had to wait a month' so that people don't have to ruin their lives in order to save them. One of my best friends has a brain tumor. He is refusing treatment so that his parents will not have to sell their house and his brother will not have to quit medical school. If you don't think that's dramatically worse than waiting in line, you have some fucked up priorities.
Here is Costa Rica, a 9% of my salary is deducted automatically and goes to my "Savings" on the CCSS (Costa Rica's centralize health Center) even people that do not have jobs have access to this health care, I'm really proud of it, US citizen come here for dental treatment as well... we have our flaws yes but it is one of the best in this continent.
Regardless of your political convictions, you have to agree that the moustache on that man takes some real guile. He's no Burt Reynolds, but just imagine his face without it. Doesn't work, does it? Excellent moustache deployment.
Note to the hard of thinking: this doesn't mean you have to like what he's saying.
Well that was embarrassing....3 stupid american fucks commenting on canadian health care. I thought Penn was above this crap, but I guess the more idiotic you sound, the more beleivable you are. Before you comment on something you know nothing about, perhaps next time they might ask a canadian. Fox is a joke.
@donisgod1 Would you care to elaborate on your statement? What is idiotic about it? Simplistic, possibly. But their discussion regarding incentive is spot on. Why choose a generic, cheaper alternative when someone else is paying for it? It ultimately becomes unsustainable when you have people taking out more than they're paying in. It's basic economics 101. Supply/Demand.
I'm from washington state (Seattle) and believe me, and I speak for everyone in this state, we are very sorry about bringing to America Glenn Beck and his radical far right views. this state is dominantly liberal anyways. we are all very happy he no longer lives here.
Universal health care; better late than never. Personally I shall have to say maybe they should stop bringing solely the very worst example of their oposition. I come from Norway, after the first about 100 bucks, which is nothing to us, the state pays even for the travel to the hospital. In Denmark, which has the most people happy with their system, they pay for everything from the very beginning. I can get an appointment today or tomorrow. If it's anything acute, it's only about an hour away.
I'd love to know where this so called fictional " Health care Lottery" is supposed to be here in Canada. I and my friends have never heard about it and I have about 30 that work in the health care system.
@andystruth Stossel is referring to a small town of 4000 people, in rural Ontario, with only a couple of family docs that hold a lottery when spots become available in one doc's practice. It's typical of him to cherry pick one small town that find it hard to attract docs, because its a small town, then tries to paint it the same for every city across Canada instead of it only being because its a small town. The same problem exists for small centres in the STates too. Yet he doesn't mention it.
THIS IS THE MOST DISGUSTING LIES I'VE EVER HEARD. My mother diagnosed with breast cancer, started her treatment just 1 week and a half from finding out. My Doctor sent me for an ultrasound, 1 week. I don't know where they get this lottery from. Its a pack of lies. Probably designed to discourage people from getting universal healthcare, a system that clearly works, all so that their riches can be safe. Notice that on the panel, there isn't a Brit or CDN actually saying what their experience is.
Hi, I use to live in France. We have universal healthcare, and it sucks. It's expensive and the quality of the service goes to the toilet. I was waiting hours to have my middle finger split back into place after I broke it during a weight-lifting accident. Some government help to pay for SOME health care is nice, but paying for ALL of it violates authentic benevolence.
@AGeekWithAShotgun Really? That's your comeback...fuck off?? Nice debating skills asshole.
I've heard the STUPID argument that one doesn't know any better because its the only system they've experienced. Then they somehow don't have the capability to say whether they are satisfied with the care they have received because they are brainwashed?? Really??
You sir need to pop your head off with your shot gun. Have a wonderful day now.
"Really? That's your comeback...fuck off?? Nice debating skills asshole."
Counter-argument =/= Comeback
If you honestly use words like "comeback" in political discourse, then I'm afraid you're the one who needs some work on their debating skills.
You honestly have no idea of the left-wing media's influence over basic life in Europe, which is probably the best contention I can think of because you've never lived in Europe let alone been to Europe.
@AGeekWith Yes, the left wing influence is so strong in Europe that it somehow 'makes them believe' that the care they have received has been great. Europeans are no longer capable of thinking for themselves. Your whole 'counter argument = comeback is more of your bullshit.
My background is European dipshit, not to mention I've been in almost every major Euro country, plus others around the world.
ANd let's ask the French population if they're satisfied shall we. Guess who'd win 'asshat'
Okay, when I visit Paris this spring break I'll ask every rational Frenchman his views on the healthcare system. Whilst I'm doing that, I'll also ask them why their Euro is dropping, and why their banks are being bailed out
"Europeans are no longer capable of thinking for themselves."
You know of Fox News, but you don't know of American banks?
Looks like you jumped on ye olde "Let's blame Fox News for being biased!" bandwaggon. Why don't you point out CNN, msnbc, abcnews, and other news sources that are as biased or more biased than Fox News?
The Feds stopped bailing out banks a while back. The problem is that the Feds are preventing banks from giving out loans, which fucks the economy because people need loans to start businesses/ect
@AGeekWithAShotgun I don't point out those others as they don't have the CLEAR agenda that Fox News does. Yet they or you don't have the balls to even admit it.
And I guess you must have forgotten it was only a very short time ago that your banks were bailed out. I don't know of American banks?? Please.
Not to mention, you guys need another Trillion + increase in your debt ceiling again. Nice.
@AGeekWithAShotgun Regardless. The barrier for universal health care is wait time. The barrier for paid healthcare is not getting the needed treatment if you cant afford it and, in the worse case scenario, dying. I'm sorry but I'll take the wait time. Also, breaking your finger isn't really that high priority in the E.R..
How about adopt Singapore's healthcare system, where the government only pays for a third of the treatment (more or less, the first couple of medicle bills paid for until one can get back to work) and eliminate the State's penalties for those who opt out of the universal heatlh care program and only apply the tax to those who opt in?
Hell, why not open a whole hospital wing for those who opted in for the healthcare system? It's not a do or die, they can be compromise
The waiting lists for some machines are a bit absurd especially in Ontario, but if you go to emergency you get admitted right away. They seem to forget that waiting for a machine is a hell of a lot better than not getting one at all because your health care plan doesn't cover it. US health care system is only better than Canada's if you're part of the 1%
FYI Ironic that Penn has a show named BS yet he's on the most BS biased news program ever conceived.
/Head desk there is no lottery for heath care in Canada that is the stupidest statement ever. And we don't do every test to stoop to suing. If Canada switched to the US heath care system I leave and I love Canada.
I broke my arm when I was 19, needed 2 plates put in and it would of cost $50, 000 to fixed in the US. It was fixed that day and it cost me nothing and I come from a small town in Ontario which is the worst province for heath care in Canada.
I'm so sick of listening to these stupid Americans talk about how MY healthcare system works. The fact of the matter is, I wouldn't be able to afford insurance, and I would not be able to afford the treatment or appointments for my pain issues and be unemployed and homeless! Canada's public healthcare WORKS. Maybe not as well as it does in France of the UK, but it works just fine for what we need. I couldn't imagine a world without it.
I really like Pen Jillette, but his nutty libertarian views have really made me lose a lot of respect for him. It's like they can't understand that so many people do work their ass off and still can't afford healthcare.
It's like libertarians think the only reason there are poor people or people without insurance is because they are lazy.
Being filthy rich, which he did earn, no argument there, has really skewed Penn's sense of reality. He's become another cult-like libertarian extremist.
I feel I should state, like Penn playing devil's advocate many times, that the idea of employees having more control over employers is a Marxist idea. People find that surprising, but it's the truth and democratic corporations are becoming more and more popular every year. They are just groups of people that get together and decide how, when, and where products and services will be produced and they refuse to take part in the stock market in fear of share holders having control over workers
what the hell is america's problem with goverment funded health care. It blows my mind, they have a military budget thats worth around half the worlds total. They just slag off goverment funded health care like it would involve treating people with leeches and rusty needles and yet at the moment somone can get a bill for being ill that could bankrupt them . its madness
@thinkasecond ...State healthcare is socialist...meaning it forces people to fund it via taxation with no control over costs or outcomes. It made for free loaders who live off of others who are denied their right to their own money and how its spent. Because the state has a coercive monopoly the outcomes for patients are inevitably poor.
@Riellysdad There is nothing wrong with a little socialism, you’ve been sold a horror story my friend. The fact is I can go to my doctor free of charge no insurance required, get checked out, & if I need help I get it, no questions asked & millions of people owe their lives to this horrible socialist health care & they didn't go bankrupt afterwards. you seem to think, only the wealthy deserve healthcare. and do you really think you have a say how your taxes are spent atm anyway.lol
@thinkasecond ....I suppose there's also nothing wrong with a little rape, a little murder and a little theft too....? Go look up the 20th century friend...150 million killed by some variant of the socialist/collectivist model...not including war dead. Socialist healthcare is not free...some one has to create new wealth to pay for it...usually someone who is then robbed of that wealth by the state wanting to appear "compassionate". Waiting lists are inseparable from socialised care.
@Riellysdad You have been watching way to much fox news my friend. America has socialism police, fire service, prisons schools army. you're comparing something like the NHS to Nazi Germany or the USSR thats amazing, how many of their own people have the british saultered in the 60yrs of the NHS? As I said your country has a military budget that’s over half the planets and around 4x anyone else's, no new wealth needed, but I guess you rather your taxes went up in smoke rather than helping people
@Riellysdad Your comparing UHC to rape, murder and theft?? Yeah, that makes sense. No healthcare is free, but making healthcare accessible to all does make sense. Millions going without care are inseparable from a for profit healthcare model. Wait times of forever vs. a little while for non-urgent care.
I find this health care fobia ridiculous. In Finland we have had free government healthcare for 40 years, and we do fine, and according to the human development index we rank higher than the US.
@SternMann93 Finland is a much smaller population than the US. Our Constitution forbids us to enact a federal healthcare system, if a state wants to enact one then they have every right to do it. Also, there is no such thing as "free" healthcare sorry.
@Murph992 How does your constitution forbid it? If it does, then maybe it should be revised..
Also, I know it's not 'free' on a government or community level. But for a poor guy it's inherently free, because the system treats everyone equally, and is maintained with progressive taxes.
@SternMann93 ...The Constitution protects the individuals rights to life,liberty and pursuit of happiness (and also property). That by default forbids the state to force anyone to belong to anything or to take those peoples money. Socialist healthcare violates these rights...its slavery under another name.
@Riellysdad You are being taxed right now. So in your words you are a slave right now. Lol. Only difference is that instead of your money being put into wars in the middle-east and spying on your own peoples phone calls, it could be put into a public healthcare system that treats everyoen equally. Like in a welfare state. It's social democracy.
@SternMann93 You got it! I,you..and every other taxpayer are slaves...that's what you call people who are made to labour while others enjoy the stolen fruits of it. Sure public healthcare treats people equally...equally badly (unless you are a politician,but then they tend to go private themselves). Social democracy is just Communism wearing a suit and tie...its still an authoritarian slave state...just not so overt. To hell with democracy anyway....lets have a FREE society!
All 3 of these guys are a joke, especially Beck. Why do you think that Canada and European nation has a better degree of health and life expectancy than the US. OH SHIT! They have good healthcare.... smdh
This is American scare mongering at it's finest.. Health Care is simple! Check this: Health care should prevent people getting ill, and not treat those who have become ill when they could have been treated early. Money should not be made from people getting ill. That is madness to me!
The answer is simple: The Doctors need to get together and come up with a list of demands. People exercising more. The ability to dismiss patients who are non-compliant. National Healthcare Tort Reform to stop these extreme lawsuits and subsequent excessive testing. If they do that, and stand strong, together... there is nothing they can't accomplish. Lawyers want to sue us? Military wants to end our strike and jail us? What are you going to do without us?
@maxxdelusional I am British, and I have to agree. The NHS makes me really proud of my country.
There are so many right wing myths going around the US about what universal healthcare means. Yes, it IS socialism, but wake up guys - every western nation runs on a fusion of capitalism and socialism!
"Restraint" = death panels Glenn, you can't have it both ways. Maybe people need to pay for a level of care, where heart transplants for smokers/alcoholics just isnt'on the list!
Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world and it's a market model where the Government only pays for 30% of healthcare. America's government pays for more than 60% of healthcare expenses in our country.
That said, given the option between Canada and America, Canada's system is empirically better and more efficient. Because our system is in fact mostly socialist, defenders of our system are also defending a socialist system.
@Riaemamevj Singapore is a very small country, like the size of rhode island, so its hard to make comparisons. The larger the country the harder it is to find a system that works. but yeah the US's healthcare system is fucked up
@Riaemamevj .....Wrong. Canada's system is in crisis.Watch the film "Sick and Sicker". What happens to desperate people needing medical care in Canada is shocking. The US system has major problems but they are mostly due to the same interference of Government in the doctor patient relationship.
@Riaemamevj "Singapore was ranked 6th in the World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems in the year 2000.[1]"
"Overall government spending on healthcare amounts to only 3-4% of annual GDP, partly because government expenditure on healthcare in the private system is extremely low."
Not true. I come from a town of 4000 and there are 3 family doctors there. Face it, socialism is not the answer to better medical care. It's the reason there's a healthcare problem in America at all right now.
@discobob59841 That's my point. One town with only one doc does not paint a picture of an entrie nation. But that's what Stossel wants you to believe of our system. Why didn't he compare doc to patient ratios between the two countries? Because they are virtually identical. That wouldn't make for much of a segment. Cherry picking one doc in one small town in Canada would though.
So, tell my why you are against the military and those having the ability to drive on paved roads?
@darris321 THe reason I said what I said about the military is that many, like you, throw out the 'socialism' term like it sticks everywhere. You call healthcare for all socialism, but you don't call the same tax dollars to pave a road or provide military socialism. IMO its hypocritical.
BTW, I'm not socialist.
THere's a HUGE difference between socialism and social services.
I am kinda dissapointed in penn i had hoped he would call bull shit on stossel. yes we in canada have our problems with health care and yes it does cost allot of tax dollars to run our system but you will never find a middle class canadian that would trade our system for the one in the USA .
Ok So here are a few guys talkin bullshit.That's OK .Now below is a youtube vid of Americans living in Canada using the healthcare system. Why not let them tell you what is really going on. Cut and Paste into the Youtube bar
Can't Go Home: Americans In Canada Share Health Care Stories
@beej71 In a free market, if there is demand, someone will always supply. I could probably construct a business model that would work. Would premiums be more for those that probably require more medical attention... most likely. But you could create some sort of long term coverage you buy when you are younger.
There are answers out there, but you have to let the market work.
John Stossel thinks he's cute. CT scans in Canada are scheduled regular treatments. He thinks three weeks isn’t a reasonable wait for such treatment for new patients. There aren't 30 million cats waiting for treatment you dumbass idiot. Private insurance screws Americans left and right. If only the individual purchased it, it would be even more abusive. These are three of the worst informed people in media. But they are all privileged aren't they?
@tindallpe If we had an actual system based on what insurance is supposed to be, we would have a far cheaper and more efficient system. I would accept a public option system, but would prefer a Free Market based system. What we have now is terrible... Government intervention drives up costs, reduces competition, and decreases quality.
See what I did there... I engaged you without resorting to name calling, even when I vehemently disagree with some of what you said. You should try it.
@Syphalis1 And I will be just as cordial with you. I am Canadian and our system has been drawn into your national debate so there has been a lot of nonsense thown at us. I don't have to be insolent and I wont be with you. So honestly, our system is not perfect but it is very good but not always. I would be open to your approach but one thing that I believe contributes nothing is private insurance.How could you create competition without it? You could you know.. Co-ops.Not For Profit
@tindallpe We have private auto insurance. It works relatively well, and competition keeps prices down.
The main problem is the perversion of insurance. Insurance should be a hedge against risk. It should not be a catch all for everything. We don't need auto insurance to get gas, an oil change, or maintenance.... But you NEED medical insurance to get a check up, physical, or any prescription (or you pay out the ass).
I would take your system over ours. Your government can actually....
@Syphalis1 I need to say Canadians are understanding of competion. We use it too.Forbes Mag. has just rated Canada as the NO.1 country in the world to do business because we do believe in free enterprize. They also rate Sweeden as" the most" innovative country in the world; this from a US publication. We are your freinds. Our costs to cover everyone fully are 10% of GDP.Your costs are 16% of GDP and you are not covered properly. it is because of Private Ins.
@tindallpe I pretty much agree. Again, I would take your system over ours hands down. I still believe a truly free market would be better, but if we are going to have the government involved, then yes.. you need to go all out and socialize it. Our system of half ass socialism while pretending that its not is what completely F's us. Then you got both sides (usually equally ignorant) making demands that usually don't make sense.
@tindallpe Most innovative is a little misleading. While they definitely have some advantages and do very well in Tele-Com and Bio-Tech, they rank relatively low on ease of starting a business (You guys do well, however!).
I think the main issue is this: Canada has farther reaching but more focused government intervention. The US has far more unfocused intervention across a wide array of issues.
As such, our electorate (though sometimes not their fault) are ignorant of issues, because
@Syphalis1 The only big fundamental difference between your system and ours is that the insurance is run by the provinces. We have national legislation but the provinces run it. Everyone gets paid on established fee schedules.Our administration is substantially less cost, as strange as that seems, because there is no ulterior agenda eg shareholders and widely varying billing structures. The US, I believe should, set this up and still have private elite hospitals if they choose and maybe us too
@tindallpe the government is involved in so many that it's hard to have honest information and debate about anything.
Canada seems to have better public engagement, and also a Federal Government that tends to stay out of stuff that it probably shouldn't be in.
The biggest issue I have as a libertarian, is that the Federal should be limited to what it says in the constitution. The more local the better. We could adopt a Canadian "Insurance" state by state, but try other stuff along the way.
@Syphalis1 They have to go to ma and pa .no more than $1000. per contributor and that includes unions. We have an independent auditor general whose job it is, is to heavily criticize the government for irresponsible spending. We wait for the report every year and there is always something.They are not perfect by any stretch. There is still a lot of waste.Hospitals are private corporations in Canada. Doctors are independent of Government and bill insurance.
@Syphalis1 I see the Us government as having to much lobby influence peddling. There needs to be reform in limiting the influence of special interests. Without an overhaul corruption will gain the day and people will lose faith. In Canada large contributions by big business are not allowed for financing campaigns .
@tindallpe Agreed. My view though is that if our Federal Government is limited to its Constitutional mandates, there would be much less opportunity for influence peddling, because there would be less to influence. but yes, our campaign finance, and as a whole, our democracy is somewhat of a joke. We have a useless media, a generally ignorant populace (partially the fault of the media), and a system based on politicians and not policy.
@Syphalis1 As an observer I see there is a huge right ,left divide in the US which causes a total distraction from the issues People are argueing about about Rep vs Dem while the real issues like offshore exodus of US corporations unemployment,re allocation for trying to get some productivity from welfare etc. The real problems are dusted off even though they are very serious. BTW.Doctors make between $260,000 and $ 500,000 and can incorporate. They probably make more in the US.
@tindallpe The political elite turn everything into a show, which prevents us from ever having serious (but necessary) discussions. They do it cause it keeps us dumb, docile, and never holds them accountable. And the dumber portion of our population eats it up, and the shitty MSM keeps the feed coming. You can see it in the debates. Just watch and you will see the only one having serious conversations and talking policy is Ron Paul. Everything else is just vague rhetoric or personal attacks.
.The US came in,in July to take over and the area is completely inflamed again. We used” Kill Capture”( JTF2) but we were quiet about it. We removed a Generation of Taliban leaders. Apparently there is a new generation hellbent on killing Americans .Ron Paul was talking the language I understand. It’s not going to be” my way”. We have to work with the world and get the best results we can, not the ones we think we should have on paper.
Syphalis1 I was listening to a seminar by Ron Paul. Clearly he is a realist ,a thinker and understands people very well. He was talking about America abroad and why you receive the reactions you do. He knows. When Canadians fight in Afghanistan we approach it as though it was their country. We managed the entire Kandahar region while The US was mainly in Iraq. Although not completely, the region was quiet when we left. There were many firefights but we made sure we coveted the population
@Syphalis1 I think Americans are lucky they have someone like Ron Paul running.Most people of his mindset wouldn't take that challenge because of the money ,the energy and the pressure .I wish him luck. I probably shouldn't say this but the others are teflon fluff,more of the same for you folks I'm afraid
@tindallpe That's why he's one of my heroes. He stands by his consistent principles and follows the Golden Rule, "Don unto others..." A vast majority of the population here doesn't think like that. It's all this "American Exceptional-ism". We are always in the right, anyone disagreeing with us is Backwards or not as advanced. This prevents us from even having real conversations about issues. Ron Paul is constantly marginalized by the media as "kooky" or a "nut". Yet he's the only one
@tindallpe speaking truth and actually addressing issues. He's predicted EVERYTHING, yet some how he "doesn't get it". It's sad and depressing, but we fight on with hope. America needs to wake up... and we will, one way or another. Maybe one day we'll realize the irony of using Canada as a punchline, once you guys overtake us in everything.
@Syphalis1 We are not going to overtake you but we have some good systems and humility is something we could all use. We have done many things the world recognizes but the US dismisses.That's fine.I have never felt inferior to he US even though it is a great and enterprizing country.We think for ourselves and are ok at running it. I know the US is having a tough time right now.I also know that if your people stop listening to the incredible retorical division Amreicans can overcome any problem
@tindallpe ....get stuff done. That's why your economy is doing rather well. You guys fixed your budget issues when they started. Your government does not have near the level of corruption/Crony-capitalism of ours... plus you don't have the Federal Reserve.
I know profit seems bad, but it is usually the main motivation for advancement. What was the last major Technological Breakthrough of Canadian medicine?
@Syp Ok .so they tell U we are not innovative in medicine because we don't use private insurance, that is totally incorrect.So I will post a list of research we have done. Google " Canada' Greatest Medical Research" and go to the top link.Private insurance has nothing to do with it.Private Insurance is sooo replacable I could scream.Insurance companies are NOT the innovators researchers are and they can still have incentive and be rich as well.Private Ins,isn't what drives incentive in Medicine
@Syphalis1 Profit is good it means you're doing your job right. The business directly selling the item deserves a cut just like the shipping companies and distributors. When I ask someone for money for a service and do it myself I am making profit. The worst thing the Government has done in recent history is make large portions of society think profit is bad. Companies can't stay afloat without it. The typical business model only sets around 10% of a companies income to be composed of profit.
@Syphalis1 Of course I pay taxes, and of course I will pay for the service in the end. But all this stuff about massive waiting lists and doctors giving different levels of service and avoiding being sued is all nonexistent in Australia.
I have hardly heard any backlash against the Medicare system here, but I hear criticism of America's health system constantly from all sides of politics. There's gotta be something in that.
Survival of the fittest!! you don't work you don't eat. you go to a hospital and you don't have insurnce or money , tough shit. taxes for military,law enforcement and roads. thats it!! privatize everything, shcools,parks, fireman. everything!! that freedom!! a " RIGHT " does not impose and obligation on someone else .
Three Libertarians??? Glenn Beck is not a libertarian, he is neoconservative, and the fact the claims himself as one and spouting the nonsense he does on a daily basis is ludicrous. Get your unfair and biased shit out of here.
@liberalgamer4 he is of the member of N.R.A. believes that owning gun's is a good thing over 700 people in America Die from bullet wounds every year he is as bad Beck he is just on the other side
@JayDee284 You do know america has the highest gun ownership and yet is only 10th in global homicides rates, in fact only 3 of the top 20 global homicide rates have weak gun laws. Switzerland is 4th on gun ownership per 1000 and yet has the lowest homicide rate per 1000 in the world. Also owning a gun is a good thing you fool, life is violent and I'd rather have something to protect me if my life is threatened than nothing at all.
@liberalgamer4 a gun can not save you guns only kill that's all there good 4 the low homicides rates are because police have more ways of founding criminals than they did 50 years ago gun ownership has never stopped crime before and it never will life is not violent people are violent gun ownership only helps the violence
@JayDee284 If a run a corner and the state has made public ownership of fire arm illegal and a gang comes in and tries to rob me, do you think they then wouldn't have fire arms? I would be left defenseless they would have complete control over me at that set period in time. There is a clear correlation of gun ownership and crime rates in america, in that as gun ownership has risen over the years crime rates have fallen.
@liberalgamer4 there is no reasoning with u gun's are stupid and so people who own them I live Australia we don't have gun ownership laws here and things are more peaceful because of it getting killed by a gun is very rare here and don't have worry about some loony with gun killing alot of people in a school an like you were it can happen any were any time and no gun can stop loony's from going kill crazy
@JayDee284 I have given objective facts and statistics and yet your putting you're hands over your ears going 'lalalalala I'm not listening', there no arguing with a statist like you you'll never listen to reason, this is like talking to a creationist pointless and a waste of my time.
@liberalgamer4 your a waste of a life my eyes are open and I see people killing people with guns live by the sword die by the sword same goes guns p.s. the facts and statistics you are giving come from gun-nuts trying make them legal 4 there own sick gain
Libertarians and one conservative, pretending to be a libertarian, makes everyone stupid. Libertarianism is a business-worshiping cultish religion, which churns out annoying flamers who resemble nothing so much as street-preachers on the Information Sidewalk. They confuse the ordinary sense of words with the meaning as "terms of art" in Libertarian axioms. Basically, they're probably high and on another plane of existence.
I really don't fucking appreciate ignorant-as-fuck American talking heads telling lies about Canada. Keep your bullshit within your own god damned country, and speak for yourselves. You want to teach people about Canada? HAVE A FUCKING CANADIAN DO IT. What was that horseshit about the lottery? We're not a 3rd world country; that shit doesn't happen. Also, the reason a waiting list for a dog is shorter than one for a human is, there's less fucking dogs having CT scans! Fuck fox news.
@yackon4game Actually the reason is because a CT scan can be bought for about 1k. This gave the vet incentive to purchase the equipment for dogs. But humans are not allowed to pay the 1k for a scan. I am from Canada, and our system is far from perfect. It is true that the US system is fucked, but the reason is because the government mandates that employers purchase insurance for all employees, and insurance packages are not allowed to have only limited coverage. Cheers.
@yackon4game Trust me. I'm an American and neither one of these people represent me or my beliefs. They're all crazy and the proof can be found in the fact that they're all actually able to have a conversation with a loony like Glenn Beck, who is oddly enough not preaching the apocalypse...yet. They're also misrepresenting a lot of information. Oh and yes, Faux News does suck.
@yackon4game Except Stossel actually went to Canada and spoke with Canadians, that's where the "horseshit about the lottery" comes from. Watch Stossels report "Sick in America"
@ecuadmail Stossel cherry picked one small town in rural Ontario, with a population of 4000. Any town of 4000, in Canada or the U.S., would be hard pressed to attract docs. Not to mention it was ONE DOCTOR. There are 65,000 other docs in Canada that DON'T do a lottery. But according to Stossel, its a common thing. That's why its HORSESHIT!!!!
Wow, three libertarians together to talk about health care. That's real balanced. They're all fucking morons. I like Penn and everything, but he says some really stupid things sometimes. And when I needed a CT scan, I got it the same day as my injury. With in an hour or so. BTW, I live in Canada. America lives in its own deluded bubble for the most part.
@urantivirus My aunt lives in Canada. She's been waiting almost 3 years to get knee surgery. Her doctor told her, 'if she wants to get the surgery done immediately, go to the states and pay cash.' Socialized healthcare is great for minor symptoms, not true for more serious problems. There is a waiting list. Fuck that! Privatized health insurance is waaayyyyyyyyy better.
@natazer My brother waited 2 months for is non-urgent knee surgery. Posted wait times in most provinces for knee surgery are measure in weeks, not years. Where does this 'aunt' live?? Not to mention that knee surgery is elective surgery, not urgent surgery. We don't wait for urgent surgery. How long does one wait if they don't have good insurance and can't afford it??
@Beartit69 Well said, his whole story smells of bullshit and makes no sense. He's also not the first person to tell me that exact story, the whole aunt and knee surgery.
@urantivirus Thanks. I always love the 'aunt' or friend story. Because those anecdotes are always true of an entire system. You never hear the story of the person waiting years to get that arm sewn back on, or years to get that bypass surgery. The good thing about the net, I can call these people on their wait time claims.
What people in Canada don't realize or Americans who think that Canada has awesome free health insurance, is that Canada does not have nearly as many issues with stacking debt, etc.
If they were to carry the weight America does on it's shoulders, it's healthcare would collapse.
And Canada DOES have a lottery system in most doctors, that and your health care is much poorer than America.
If it is so much better then why do so many Canadians come to America for major procedures?
NightOfTheLiving8bit 2 hours ago
@Night A. One town, it was ONE TOWN, taken from an extremely biased John Stossel report that had a lottery. A more isolated town of only 4000 people. Why? Because small rural towns, no matter what system, have trouble attracting docs. Why? Because its a small, rural town. B. Its a myth that many Canadians go south for care. Read the study Phantoms in the Snow that shows why. In the meantime, its predicted 1.3 Million Americans will go abroad for care this year they can't afford at home.
MadHabber93 42 minutes ago
Wow. A lot of paragraph comments. I think the point you guys are all missing, is that if we got rid of a lot of the systems we have right now, most things would be cheaper. Why would you need to sue a doctor when all your medical expenses are super cheap? Your insurance was super cheap too, but it would still have all the coverage you need. Loser pays? Well you won't be that strapped for cash, you could AFFORD losing. You guys don't see how prosperous this nation could be.
FreytDoran 1 day ago
Jesus PJ I am a huge fan of yours-- read Sock (just loved it) and am a frequent viewer of BS (I've seen every episode). I'm also a mother and a student, who cannot work full time while attending university. My parents small business went down with the economy and they can't afford to pay my health insurance, so I don't have any. That's fine. But Medicaid pays for my daughter to get her shots and her checkups, and to be seen when she's sick. What the fuck would I do without Medicaid? Quit school.
illegallyblind 4 days ago
Glenn Beck was a great man, and then he went way way way off the deep end. I actually think this is the real Glenn Beck, and the zionists fear mongerer is just an act to keep FOX and his sponsors happy.
daltonj2317 5 days ago
i live in Canada, ive never heard about anyone having trouble finding a family doctor, i think that one might be a myth. however, waiting room times are excrusiating, ive had to wait 5-6 hours just to be told theres nothing they can do. also, family doctors will over book themselves by 3 times because they make more money by seeing more people (not sure if thats in the US too). if you have a serious emergency, our health cares great, for anyone else its complete shit.
RESTxINxPIECEZ 5 days ago
I've lived in Canada for 33 years, and we don't have a lottery to get a family doctor. Some places its a little harder than others but the guy there exaggerates.
Goremaster 5 days ago
Try living in Ireland, it's getting more like America everyday, the heathcare system is all about whether you have money to get health care or not.
In the UK some people moan about the NHS but trust me, it's second to none.
I believe that Canada has a good health care system too but these idiots on fox "news" were trying to make out that it's really bad.
MrVillamike 6 days ago
Two douche bags stroking each others ego. Penn Jillette gives atheists a bad name.
nkelly1432 1 week ago
Can't say i agree, people who can' t afford insurance should have acess to medical care, i do agree though it should be controlled by the individual, I think Australia's system works well the government provides cheap healthcare for those with low incomes and charges more as your wealth goes up but you have the choice to buy private insurance. All emergency wards are public though, which i think is a good thing.
XepicmeauX 1 week ago
Free healthcare isn't possible because nothing is free. Taxpayers pay for something in which they have but no choice but to have. It's Unconsitutional, and that's all that I need to hear to oppose it. It should at least be optional and on the state level at most.
xxguitarhero48xx 2 weeks ago
@xxguitarhero48xx No kidding, pets don't pay health care...if they get sick they should just die. who fk'n cares hey.
Goremaster 5 days ago
The parasite class? Fuck YOU! What a smug piece of shit. Have the loser pay, you say? Hmmm, who's going to be able to get the better attorney? The working stiff or the rich doctor that was the support of the entire hospital behind him? Just another way to fuck the little guy in the ass.
Dagens24 2 weeks ago 5
@Dagens24 i take it you're a medical malpractice lawyer?
UnderATallTree 2 weeks ago
@UnderATallTree Worse; a Canadian.
Dagens24 2 weeks ago
@TheAlexaguis I didn't say the NHS was some sort of golden standard. In fact, most of what you have said I agree with. The reason why I think the government is constantly protesting that free or better health care is not possible is because they can't figure out how to spend money properly. They spend next to nothing on important services like health care and education because they claim that's all they have, but really the bulk of money is spent bailing out banks and fighting pointless wars.
PassTheMarmalade1957 3 weeks ago
Governments role in healthcare is not to consume the market, not to offer it as an entitlement, for both will make it harder to get and more costly to the taxpayer, though tragically, no one but the bureaucracy sees it; but rather to facilitate the market forces necessary to the expression of rational consumer choice to create legitimate demand, and supply will expand in response to the profit potential. It is absolutely true about animal health care: costs are lower and accessibility higher.
shaverbh 3 weeks ago
Why is it that people seem to think free health care just isn't possible? It's perfectly possible! Here in Britain, we have the NHS, and yes, waiting times are ridiculous for some procedures, but it's better than nothing or having to pay through the nose for it! Governments just need to sort their priorities out. Stupid amounts of money get wasted every year while school and health care budgets get cut in favour of playing politics over helping society. We voted you in. You work for us.
PassTheMarmalade1957 3 weeks ago
@PassTheMarmalade1957 its not free you pay reams of cash for a shit system the nhs is crap, i'd rather pay less tax and get better service like in france it works out cheaper in the long run why? because the nhs quality of care is sub par to the extent where people die tdue to lack of care with private you have rights as a customer with nhs you have none as its "free", socialism has failed schools get so much more money than before but are turning out more students who cant
TheAlexagius 3 weeks ago
@PassTheMarmalade1957 read or write, to save cash is simple dont waste it on pointless wars, or socialism both are pointless expensive and worsen the socioty of the parent country look 50 years ago in the uk, less crime per capita less wars less tax less sociaism the reverse is true today, no rights with regard to self defence or that of police to criminals the uk is as fucked up as the usa if not more so in some areas
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@PassTheMarmalade1957 come on european, shut up! HUAHUAHUAHUA
paunocu666 1 week ago
@PassTheMarmalade1957 the problem is you have to trade in freedom for equality, just like you do if you where to change from capitalism to communism. under "free" health care, i trade my freedom of only paying for what I need, for the equality of everyone paying for what they dont necessarily need. private Vs. public health care is more an argument of principle than anything, and what principles are important to you will determine what side you support.
RESTxINxPIECEZ 5 days ago
Resist the urge to punch Glenn Beck in his stupid face.
CyborgAtheist 3 weeks ago
The biggest problem is pre-existing conditions - they won't cover you - other times they just take your premiums and then later try and wriggle out of it. If you have one thing wrong with you - they pay out for that - but for future claims of a similar thing they try and refuse you. So its adaptive the whole time - and the noose gets tighter and tighter. For me Private healthcare is not worth it - I get my diabetes drugs for nothing on the NHS - so I'll stick with that thank you very much.
N9BJJ 3 weeks ago
Yeah Americans, your healthcare system is great... You don't need to reform it. Enjoy!
businessdisruption 3 weeks ago
Spot on. Universal healthcare will do nothing but degrade healthcare itself. Long wait times to see any specialist, more restrictions on private businesses make healthcare more expensive. As a 25 year old male that's never smoked, rarely drinks why should I pay a higher premium for those that do? Why should I pay for pregnancy insurance? All those added expenditures for degraded service. Join the military and attempt to see a dental specialist the you'll have a better understanding.
Zcook04 3 weeks ago
Hey Penn, don't you ever wonder why bullshit herbs and supplements have taken off? Because Americans can't get real health care anymore!
amazinggoatgirl 3 weeks ago
'Boo fuckety hoo, I had to wait a month' so that people don't have to ruin their lives in order to save them. One of my best friends has a brain tumor. He is refusing treatment so that his parents will not have to sell their house and his brother will not have to quit medical school. If you don't think that's dramatically worse than waiting in line, you have some fucked up priorities.
amazinggoatgirl 3 weeks ago
Here is Costa Rica, a 9% of my salary is deducted automatically and goes to my "Savings" on the CCSS (Costa Rica's centralize health Center) even people that do not have jobs have access to this health care, I'm really proud of it, US citizen come here for dental treatment as well... we have our flaws yes but it is one of the best in this continent.
Ryunokiba 3 weeks ago
Regardless of your political convictions, you have to agree that the moustache on that man takes some real guile. He's no Burt Reynolds, but just imagine his face without it. Doesn't work, does it? Excellent moustache deployment.
Note to the hard of thinking: this doesn't mean you have to like what he's saying.
marmadukejones 3 weeks ago
Well that was embarrassing....3 stupid american fucks commenting on canadian health care. I thought Penn was above this crap, but I guess the more idiotic you sound, the more beleivable you are. Before you comment on something you know nothing about, perhaps next time they might ask a canadian. Fox is a joke.
donisgod1 3 weeks ago
@donisgod1 Would you care to elaborate on your statement? What is idiotic about it? Simplistic, possibly. But their discussion regarding incentive is spot on. Why choose a generic, cheaper alternative when someone else is paying for it? It ultimately becomes unsustainable when you have people taking out more than they're paying in. It's basic economics 101. Supply/Demand.
meedily 3 weeks ago
I'm from washington state (Seattle) and believe me, and I speak for everyone in this state, we are very sorry about bringing to America Glenn Beck and his radical far right views. this state is dominantly liberal anyways. we are all very happy he no longer lives here.
koopsta93 3 weeks ago
Universal health care; better late than never. Personally I shall have to say maybe they should stop bringing solely the very worst example of their oposition. I come from Norway, after the first about 100 bucks, which is nothing to us, the state pays even for the travel to the hospital. In Denmark, which has the most people happy with their system, they pay for everything from the very beginning. I can get an appointment today or tomorrow. If it's anything acute, it's only about an hour away.
junoguten 4 weeks ago
I'd love to know where this so called fictional " Health care Lottery" is supposed to be here in Canada. I and my friends have never heard about it and I have about 30 that work in the health care system.
andystruth 1 month ago
@andystruth Stossel is referring to a small town of 4000 people, in rural Ontario, with only a couple of family docs that hold a lottery when spots become available in one doc's practice. It's typical of him to cherry pick one small town that find it hard to attract docs, because its a small town, then tries to paint it the same for every city across Canada instead of it only being because its a small town. The same problem exists for small centres in the STates too. Yet he doesn't mention it.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93 I remember them doing that to get a doctor for the town, but not for individuals to get a doctor. Thanks Mad..
andystruth 1 month ago
THIS IS THE MOST DISGUSTING LIES I'VE EVER HEARD. My mother diagnosed with breast cancer, started her treatment just 1 week and a half from finding out. My Doctor sent me for an ultrasound, 1 week. I don't know where they get this lottery from. Its a pack of lies. Probably designed to discourage people from getting universal healthcare, a system that clearly works, all so that their riches can be safe. Notice that on the panel, there isn't a Brit or CDN actually saying what their experience is.
LongBow1600 1 month ago
@LongBow1600
Hi, I use to live in France. We have universal healthcare, and it sucks. It's expensive and the quality of the service goes to the toilet. I was waiting hours to have my middle finger split back into place after I broke it during a weight-lifting accident. Some government help to pay for SOME health care is nice, but paying for ALL of it violates authentic benevolence.
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun 90% of the French would probably disagree with you.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
Yes they probably would considering the brainwashing has taken its toll and they have not experienced any other form of healthcare.
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun And the same can hold true for ANY country. Weak argument.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
Really? You're saying my argument is weak when your contention is a generalization?
Please, fuck off.
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun Really? That's your comeback...fuck off?? Nice debating skills asshole.
I've heard the STUPID argument that one doesn't know any better because its the only system they've experienced. Then they somehow don't have the capability to say whether they are satisfied with the care they have received because they are brainwashed?? Really??
You sir need to pop your head off with your shot gun. Have a wonderful day now.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
"Really? That's your comeback...fuck off?? Nice debating skills asshole."
Counter-argument =/= Comeback
If you honestly use words like "comeback" in political discourse, then I'm afraid you're the one who needs some work on their debating skills.
You honestly have no idea of the left-wing media's influence over basic life in Europe, which is probably the best contention I can think of because you've never lived in Europe let alone been to Europe.
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWith Yes, the left wing influence is so strong in Europe that it somehow 'makes them believe' that the care they have received has been great. Europeans are no longer capable of thinking for themselves. Your whole 'counter argument = comeback is more of your bullshit.
My background is European dipshit, not to mention I've been in almost every major Euro country, plus others around the world.
ANd let's ask the French population if they're satisfied shall we. Guess who'd win 'asshat'
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
Okay, when I visit Paris this spring break I'll ask every rational Frenchman his views on the healthcare system. Whilst I'm doing that, I'll also ask them why their Euro is dropping, and why their banks are being bailed out
"Europeans are no longer capable of thinking for themselves."
Because societal influence doesn't exist, right?
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun Influence like Faux News??
And that's weird, it seems the U.S. banks were being bailed out as well. I wouldn't know what's that like, since I'm Canadian.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
You know of Fox News, but you don't know of American banks?
Looks like you jumped on ye olde "Let's blame Fox News for being biased!" bandwaggon. Why don't you point out CNN, msnbc, abcnews, and other news sources that are as biased or more biased than Fox News?
The Feds stopped bailing out banks a while back. The problem is that the Feds are preventing banks from giving out loans, which fucks the economy because people need loans to start businesses/ect
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun I don't point out those others as they don't have the CLEAR agenda that Fox News does. Yet they or you don't have the balls to even admit it.
And I guess you must have forgotten it was only a very short time ago that your banks were bailed out. I don't know of American banks?? Please.
Not to mention, you guys need another Trillion + increase in your debt ceiling again. Nice.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
@MadHabber93
Until then, please, stand by your "90%" generalization and see where that takes you.
Au revoir, asshat
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun Regardless. The barrier for universal health care is wait time. The barrier for paid healthcare is not getting the needed treatment if you cant afford it and, in the worse case scenario, dying. I'm sorry but I'll take the wait time. Also, breaking your finger isn't really that high priority in the E.R..
LongBow1600 1 month ago
@LongBow1600
How about adopt Singapore's healthcare system, where the government only pays for a third of the treatment (more or less, the first couple of medicle bills paid for until one can get back to work) and eliminate the State's penalties for those who opt out of the universal heatlh care program and only apply the tax to those who opt in?
Hell, why not open a whole hospital wing for those who opted in for the healthcare system? It's not a do or die, they can be compromise
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 month ago
The waiting lists for some machines are a bit absurd especially in Ontario, but if you go to emergency you get admitted right away. They seem to forget that waiting for a machine is a hell of a lot better than not getting one at all because your health care plan doesn't cover it. US health care system is only better than Canada's if you're part of the 1%
FYI Ironic that Penn has a show named BS yet he's on the most BS biased news program ever conceived.
doddmic 1 month ago
/Head desk there is no lottery for heath care in Canada that is the stupidest statement ever. And we don't do every test to stoop to suing. If Canada switched to the US heath care system I leave and I love Canada.
I broke my arm when I was 19, needed 2 plates put in and it would of cost $50, 000 to fixed in the US. It was fixed that day and it cost me nothing and I come from a small town in Ontario which is the worst province for heath care in Canada.
doddmic 1 month ago
I'm so sick of listening to these stupid Americans talk about how MY healthcare system works. The fact of the matter is, I wouldn't be able to afford insurance, and I would not be able to afford the treatment or appointments for my pain issues and be unemployed and homeless! Canada's public healthcare WORKS. Maybe not as well as it does in France of the UK, but it works just fine for what we need. I couldn't imagine a world without it.
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thinkasecond 1 month ago
I really like Pen Jillette, but his nutty libertarian views have really made me lose a lot of respect for him. It's like they can't understand that so many people do work their ass off and still can't afford healthcare.
It's like libertarians think the only reason there are poor people or people without insurance is because they are lazy.
Being filthy rich, which he did earn, no argument there, has really skewed Penn's sense of reality. He's become another cult-like libertarian extremist.
stddgv11 1 month ago
@stddgv11 HA. Exactly my thoughts.
goofydog07 1 month ago
I feel I should state, like Penn playing devil's advocate many times, that the idea of employees having more control over employers is a Marxist idea. People find that surprising, but it's the truth and democratic corporations are becoming more and more popular every year. They are just groups of people that get together and decide how, when, and where products and services will be produced and they refuse to take part in the stock market in fear of share holders having control over workers
CrossCreed4800 1 month ago
Penn's laugh.... <3
jspilliod 1 month ago
@jspilliod lol....Glenn is libertarian....lol
feldman30012 1 month ago
only these dumb cunts would argue that a healthcare system would cover people's medical needs.
ForeverMan91 1 month ago
LOL WHY DO AMERICANS LIE? fagss
asianwhitenigger 1 month ago
what the hell is america's problem with goverment funded health care. It blows my mind, they have a military budget thats worth around half the worlds total. They just slag off goverment funded health care like it would involve treating people with leeches and rusty needles and yet at the moment somone can get a bill for being ill that could bankrupt them . its madness
thinkasecond 1 month ago
@thinkasecond ...State healthcare is socialist...meaning it forces people to fund it via taxation with no control over costs or outcomes. It made for free loaders who live off of others who are denied their right to their own money and how its spent. Because the state has a coercive monopoly the outcomes for patients are inevitably poor.
Riellysdad 1 month ago
@Riellysdad There is nothing wrong with a little socialism, you’ve been sold a horror story my friend. The fact is I can go to my doctor free of charge no insurance required, get checked out, & if I need help I get it, no questions asked & millions of people owe their lives to this horrible socialist health care & they didn't go bankrupt afterwards. you seem to think, only the wealthy deserve healthcare. and do you really think you have a say how your taxes are spent atm anyway.lol
thinkasecond 1 month ago
@thinkasecond ....I suppose there's also nothing wrong with a little rape, a little murder and a little theft too....? Go look up the 20th century friend...150 million killed by some variant of the socialist/collectivist model...not including war dead. Socialist healthcare is not free...some one has to create new wealth to pay for it...usually someone who is then robbed of that wealth by the state wanting to appear "compassionate". Waiting lists are inseparable from socialised care.
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@Riellysdad You have been watching way to much fox news my friend. America has socialism police, fire service, prisons schools army. you're comparing something like the NHS to Nazi Germany or the USSR thats amazing, how many of their own people have the british saultered in the 60yrs of the NHS? As I said your country has a military budget that’s over half the planets and around 4x anyone else's, no new wealth needed, but I guess you rather your taxes went up in smoke rather than helping people
thinkasecond 1 month ago
@Riellysdad Your comparing UHC to rape, murder and theft?? Yeah, that makes sense. No healthcare is free, but making healthcare accessible to all does make sense. Millions going without care are inseparable from a for profit healthcare model. Wait times of forever vs. a little while for non-urgent care.
MadHabber93 1 month ago
I find this health care fobia ridiculous. In Finland we have had free government healthcare for 40 years, and we do fine, and according to the human development index we rank higher than the US.
SternMann93 1 month ago
@SternMann93 Finland is a much smaller population than the US. Our Constitution forbids us to enact a federal healthcare system, if a state wants to enact one then they have every right to do it. Also, there is no such thing as "free" healthcare sorry.
Murph992 1 month ago
@Murph992 How does your constitution forbid it? If it does, then maybe it should be revised..
Also, I know it's not 'free' on a government or community level. But for a poor guy it's inherently free, because the system treats everyone equally, and is maintained with progressive taxes.
SternMann93 1 month ago
@SternMann93 ...The Constitution protects the individuals rights to life,liberty and pursuit of happiness (and also property). That by default forbids the state to force anyone to belong to anything or to take those peoples money. Socialist healthcare violates these rights...its slavery under another name.
Riellysdad 1 month ago
@Riellysdad You are being taxed right now. So in your words you are a slave right now. Lol. Only difference is that instead of your money being put into wars in the middle-east and spying on your own peoples phone calls, it could be put into a public healthcare system that treats everyoen equally. Like in a welfare state. It's social democracy.
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Riellysdad 1 month ago
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@SternMann93 You got it! I,you..and every other taxpayer are slaves...that's what you call people who are made to labour while others enjoy the stolen fruits of it. Sure public healthcare treats people equally...equally badly (unless you are a politician,but then they tend to go private themselves). Social democracy is just Communism wearing a suit and tie...its still an authoritarian slave state...just not so overt. To hell with democracy anyway....lets have a FREE society!
Riellysdad 1 month ago
All 3 of these guys are a joke, especially Beck. Why do you think that Canada and European nation has a better degree of health and life expectancy than the US. OH SHIT! They have good healthcare.... smdh
wbhyatt 1 month ago
@wbhyatt don't disrespect Penn!
AmazinglyAgnostic 1 month ago
This is American scare mongering at it's finest.. Health Care is simple! Check this: Health care should prevent people getting ill, and not treat those who have become ill when they could have been treated early. Money should not be made from people getting ill. That is madness to me!
aceridgey 1 month ago
The answer is simple: The Doctors need to get together and come up with a list of demands. People exercising more. The ability to dismiss patients who are non-compliant. National Healthcare Tort Reform to stop these extreme lawsuits and subsequent excessive testing. If they do that, and stand strong, together... there is nothing they can't accomplish. Lawyers want to sue us? Military wants to end our strike and jail us? What are you going to do without us?
jonmichaeljordan 1 month ago
i only watched for penn
BWKsoccer06 1 month ago 68
Ask any Canadian what their favorite thing about being Canadian is. Most of them will say "Our health care system", we love it!
The longest I have ever had to wait for a procedure is about a week. If I had the option to pay, but get checked sooner, would I? Nope, probably not.
maxxdelusional 2 months ago
@maxxdelusional I am British, and I have to agree. The NHS makes me really proud of my country.
There are so many right wing myths going around the US about what universal healthcare means. Yes, it IS socialism, but wake up guys - every western nation runs on a fusion of capitalism and socialism!
Thank God for Attlee and Bevan.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
This is actually a good interview, and I agree with a lot of things, and I work in healthcare.
tacomadc 2 months ago
"Restraint" = death panels Glenn, you can't have it both ways. Maybe people need to pay for a level of care, where heart transplants for smokers/alcoholics just isnt'on the list!
tacomadc 2 months ago
Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world and it's a market model where the Government only pays for 30% of healthcare. America's government pays for more than 60% of healthcare expenses in our country.
That said, given the option between Canada and America, Canada's system is empirically better and more efficient. Because our system is in fact mostly socialist, defenders of our system are also defending a socialist system.
Riaemamevj 2 months ago 2
@Riaemamevj Singapore is a very small country, like the size of rhode island, so its hard to make comparisons. The larger the country the harder it is to find a system that works. but yeah the US's healthcare system is fucked up
gat0rgirl13 2 months ago
@Riaemamevj .....Wrong. Canada's system is in crisis.Watch the film "Sick and Sicker". What happens to desperate people needing medical care in Canada is shocking. The US system has major problems but they are mostly due to the same interference of Government in the doctor patient relationship.
Riellysdad 1 month ago
@Riaemamevj "Singapore was ranked 6th in the World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems in the year 2000.[1]"
"Overall government spending on healthcare amounts to only 3-4% of annual GDP, partly because government expenditure on healthcare in the private system is extremely low."
YOU'RE JUST BULLSHITTING MAN!
-WIKIPEDIA
goofydog07 1 month ago
Glen Beck sounds like a movie voice guy.
BOGnz 2 months ago
What the hell is wrong with Glenn Beck's voice?
RichardRowell1 2 months ago
@RichardRowell1 Too many dicks
94Cioppa 2 months ago 2
i watched because of stossel.
iluvpoliticzz 2 months ago
i wish they did a bullshit on canada
darris321 2 months ago
@darris321 They just did, as most of what Stossel said is bullshit.
MadHabber93 2 months ago
@MadHabber93
Not true. I come from a town of 4000 and there are 3 family doctors there. Face it, socialism is not the answer to better medical care. It's the reason there's a healthcare problem in America at all right now.
discobob59841 2 months ago
@discobob59841 That's my point. One town with only one doc does not paint a picture of an entrie nation. But that's what Stossel wants you to believe of our system. Why didn't he compare doc to patient ratios between the two countries? Because they are virtually identical. That wouldn't make for much of a segment. Cherry picking one doc in one small town in Canada would though.
So, tell my why you are against the military and those having the ability to drive on paved roads?
MadHabber93 2 months ago
@MadHabber93 I agreed with you until you said the thing about the military and paved roads.
I refer you to a frederic bastiat quote which is too long to put in this comment, though not too long.
goodreads(dot)com/quotes/show/132893
It's about how socialists think that since we object to the state doing things, we object to them being done at all.
darris321 2 months ago
@darris321 THe reason I said what I said about the military is that many, like you, throw out the 'socialism' term like it sticks everywhere. You call healthcare for all socialism, but you don't call the same tax dollars to pave a road or provide military socialism. IMO its hypocritical.
BTW, I'm not socialist.
THere's a HUGE difference between socialism and social services.
MadHabber93 2 months ago 2
I am kinda dissapointed in penn i had hoped he would call bull shit on stossel. yes we in canada have our problems with health care and yes it does cost allot of tax dollars to run our system but you will never find a middle class canadian that would trade our system for the one in the USA .
talen152 2 months ago
I can't believe this guy is still on the air. Oh wait, it's FOX. Why does that still exist?
TheMoritati 2 months ago
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Ok So here are a few guys talkin bullshit.That's OK .Now below is a youtube vid of Americans living in Canada using the healthcare system. Why not let them tell you what is really going on. Cut and Paste into the Youtube bar
Can't Go Home: Americans In Canada Share Health Care Stories
tindallpe 3 months ago
Which insane insurance company is going to sell health insurance to 70-year-olds? There is no supply.
beej71 3 months ago
@beej71 In a free market, if there is demand, someone will always supply. I could probably construct a business model that would work. Would premiums be more for those that probably require more medical attention... most likely. But you could create some sort of long term coverage you buy when you are younger.
There are answers out there, but you have to let the market work.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
John Stossel thinks he's cute. CT scans in Canada are scheduled regular treatments. He thinks three weeks isn’t a reasonable wait for such treatment for new patients. There aren't 30 million cats waiting for treatment you dumbass idiot. Private insurance screws Americans left and right. If only the individual purchased it, it would be even more abusive. These are three of the worst informed people in media. But they are all privileged aren't they?
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe If we had an actual system based on what insurance is supposed to be, we would have a far cheaper and more efficient system. I would accept a public option system, but would prefer a Free Market based system. What we have now is terrible... Government intervention drives up costs, reduces competition, and decreases quality.
See what I did there... I engaged you without resorting to name calling, even when I vehemently disagree with some of what you said. You should try it.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 And I will be just as cordial with you. I am Canadian and our system has been drawn into your national debate so there has been a lot of nonsense thown at us. I don't have to be insolent and I wont be with you. So honestly, our system is not perfect but it is very good but not always. I would be open to your approach but one thing that I believe contributes nothing is private insurance.How could you create competition without it? You could you know.. Co-ops.Not For Profit
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe We have private auto insurance. It works relatively well, and competition keeps prices down.
The main problem is the perversion of insurance. Insurance should be a hedge against risk. It should not be a catch all for everything. We don't need auto insurance to get gas, an oil change, or maintenance.... But you NEED medical insurance to get a check up, physical, or any prescription (or you pay out the ass).
I would take your system over ours. Your government can actually....
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 I need to say Canadians are understanding of competion. We use it too.Forbes Mag. has just rated Canada as the NO.1 country in the world to do business because we do believe in free enterprize. They also rate Sweeden as" the most" innovative country in the world; this from a US publication. We are your freinds. Our costs to cover everyone fully are 10% of GDP.Your costs are 16% of GDP and you are not covered properly. it is because of Private Ins.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe The Proper title for the link explaining medical innovation in Canada is via Google
Canadian Medicine Canada's Greatest Medical Research
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe I pretty much agree. Again, I would take your system over ours hands down. I still believe a truly free market would be better, but if we are going to have the government involved, then yes.. you need to go all out and socialize it. Our system of half ass socialism while pretending that its not is what completely F's us. Then you got both sides (usually equally ignorant) making demands that usually don't make sense.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@tindallpe Most innovative is a little misleading. While they definitely have some advantages and do very well in Tele-Com and Bio-Tech, they rank relatively low on ease of starting a business (You guys do well, however!).
I think the main issue is this: Canada has farther reaching but more focused government intervention. The US has far more unfocused intervention across a wide array of issues.
As such, our electorate (though sometimes not their fault) are ignorant of issues, because
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 The only big fundamental difference between your system and ours is that the insurance is run by the provinces. We have national legislation but the provinces run it. Everyone gets paid on established fee schedules.Our administration is substantially less cost, as strange as that seems, because there is no ulterior agenda eg shareholders and widely varying billing structures. The US, I believe should, set this up and still have private elite hospitals if they choose and maybe us too
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe the government is involved in so many that it's hard to have honest information and debate about anything.
Canada seems to have better public engagement, and also a Federal Government that tends to stay out of stuff that it probably shouldn't be in.
The biggest issue I have as a libertarian, is that the Federal should be limited to what it says in the constitution. The more local the better. We could adopt a Canadian "Insurance" state by state, but try other stuff along the way.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 They have to go to ma and pa .no more than $1000. per contributor and that includes unions. We have an independent auditor general whose job it is, is to heavily criticize the government for irresponsible spending. We wait for the report every year and there is always something.They are not perfect by any stretch. There is still a lot of waste.Hospitals are private corporations in Canada. Doctors are independent of Government and bill insurance.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 I see the Us government as having to much lobby influence peddling. There needs to be reform in limiting the influence of special interests. Without an overhaul corruption will gain the day and people will lose faith. In Canada large contributions by big business are not allowed for financing campaigns .
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe Agreed. My view though is that if our Federal Government is limited to its Constitutional mandates, there would be much less opportunity for influence peddling, because there would be less to influence. but yes, our campaign finance, and as a whole, our democracy is somewhat of a joke. We have a useless media, a generally ignorant populace (partially the fault of the media), and a system based on politicians and not policy.
How much do your Dr.s earn relative to US Docs?
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 As an observer I see there is a huge right ,left divide in the US which causes a total distraction from the issues People are argueing about about Rep vs Dem while the real issues like offshore exodus of US corporations unemployment,re allocation for trying to get some productivity from welfare etc. The real problems are dusted off even though they are very serious. BTW.Doctors make between $260,000 and $ 500,000 and can incorporate. They probably make more in the US.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe The political elite turn everything into a show, which prevents us from ever having serious (but necessary) discussions. They do it cause it keeps us dumb, docile, and never holds them accountable. And the dumber portion of our population eats it up, and the shitty MSM keeps the feed coming. You can see it in the debates. Just watch and you will see the only one having serious conversations and talking policy is Ron Paul. Everything else is just vague rhetoric or personal attacks.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
.The US came in,in July to take over and the area is completely inflamed again. We used” Kill Capture”( JTF2) but we were quiet about it. We removed a Generation of Taliban leaders. Apparently there is a new generation hellbent on killing Americans .Ron Paul was talking the language I understand. It’s not going to be” my way”. We have to work with the world and get the best results we can, not the ones we think we should have on paper.
tindallpe 3 months ago
Syphalis1 I was listening to a seminar by Ron Paul. Clearly he is a realist ,a thinker and understands people very well. He was talking about America abroad and why you receive the reactions you do. He knows. When Canadians fight in Afghanistan we approach it as though it was their country. We managed the entire Kandahar region while The US was mainly in Iraq. Although not completely, the region was quiet when we left. There were many firefights but we made sure we coveted the population
tindallpe 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 I left a couple comments for you.I don't think they hit.
tindallpe 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 I think Americans are lucky they have someone like Ron Paul running.Most people of his mindset wouldn't take that challenge because of the money ,the energy and the pressure .I wish him luck. I probably shouldn't say this but the others are teflon fluff,more of the same for you folks I'm afraid
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe That's why he's one of my heroes. He stands by his consistent principles and follows the Golden Rule, "Don unto others..." A vast majority of the population here doesn't think like that. It's all this "American Exceptional-ism". We are always in the right, anyone disagreeing with us is Backwards or not as advanced. This prevents us from even having real conversations about issues. Ron Paul is constantly marginalized by the media as "kooky" or a "nut". Yet he's the only one
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@tindallpe speaking truth and actually addressing issues. He's predicted EVERYTHING, yet some how he "doesn't get it". It's sad and depressing, but we fight on with hope. America needs to wake up... and we will, one way or another. Maybe one day we'll realize the irony of using Canada as a punchline, once you guys overtake us in everything.
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 We are not going to overtake you but we have some good systems and humility is something we could all use. We have done many things the world recognizes but the US dismisses.That's fine.I have never felt inferior to he US even though it is a great and enterprizing country.We think for ourselves and are ok at running it. I know the US is having a tough time right now.I also know that if your people stop listening to the incredible retorical division Amreicans can overcome any problem
tindallpe 3 months ago
@tindallpe ....get stuff done. That's why your economy is doing rather well. You guys fixed your budget issues when they started. Your government does not have near the level of corruption/Crony-capitalism of ours... plus you don't have the Federal Reserve.
I know profit seems bad, but it is usually the main motivation for advancement. What was the last major Technological Breakthrough of Canadian medicine?
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syp Ok .so they tell U we are not innovative in medicine because we don't use private insurance, that is totally incorrect.So I will post a list of research we have done. Google " Canada' Greatest Medical Research" and go to the top link.Private insurance has nothing to do with it.Private Insurance is sooo replacable I could scream.Insurance companies are NOT the innovators researchers are and they can still have incentive and be rich as well.Private Ins,isn't what drives incentive in Medicine
tindallpe 3 months ago
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@Syphalis1 Profit is good it means you're doing your job right. The business directly selling the item deserves a cut just like the shipping companies and distributors. When I ask someone for money for a service and do it myself I am making profit. The worst thing the Government has done in recent history is make large portions of society think profit is bad. Companies can't stay afloat without it. The typical business model only sets around 10% of a companies income to be composed of profit.
Luigi84289 2 months ago
I live in Australia and I just had a consultation and a chest x-ray on the same day completely for free.
7373walker 3 months ago
@7373walker So, you don't pay any taxes? Doctors and Med Techs all volunteer their time?
Syphalis1 3 months ago
@Syphalis1 Of course I pay taxes, and of course I will pay for the service in the end. But all this stuff about massive waiting lists and doctors giving different levels of service and avoiding being sued is all nonexistent in Australia.
I have hardly heard any backlash against the Medicare system here, but I hear criticism of America's health system constantly from all sides of politics. There's gotta be something in that.
7373walker 3 months ago
Isn't it bitch ass bulllies that try to call others down so that they feel better about themselves? Or is it just anyone who's critically flawed?
D33veeoss 3 months ago
Wait a month for a CT scan? Where are they getting this shit.
The only thing Canadians can't have done 'same day' are implants and lypo and other cosmetic crap.
Don't tell me how it works in Canada I'll tell you.
If I want to see my family doctor, it's true I have to book. It could be a couple days up to a couple weeks.
But if it's a pressing issue? I can walk into ANY flipping hospital in my entire country and get the EXACT same care as anyone else. I PAY NOTHING.
That's CAN healthcare.
D33veeoss 3 months ago
@D33veeoss If I wreck my dirtbike and I'm hurting? If they need to see if surgery is necessary? I don't remember waiting 2 weeks. Seemed instant.
I know I have chronic backpain. Did I get in same day for that? No. Of course not. The poor kid that just came off his bike was busy using it.
But if you need it you get it.
People don't die here from that kinda crap.
NOBODY goes without due to wait time.
That's garbage.
D33veeoss 3 months ago
Survival of the fittest!! you don't work you don't eat. you go to a hospital and you don't have insurnce or money , tough shit. taxes for military,law enforcement and roads. thats it!! privatize everything, shcools,parks, fireman. everything!! that freedom!! a " RIGHT " does not impose and obligation on someone else .
ClearwaterMMA 3 months ago
@ClearwaterMMA Really? Then:
a)Get the fuck off the continent. Sooner the better.
b)Piss on the forefathers graves for trampling others' rights while asserting their own.
c)Cuss that sow Queen of Spain and almost all of Eastern Europe.
d)Resurrect all the fucking indians before you leave.
e)Never come back unless invited.
D33veeoss 3 months ago
Three Libertarians??? Glenn Beck is not a libertarian, he is neoconservative, and the fact the claims himself as one and spouting the nonsense he does on a daily basis is ludicrous. Get your unfair and biased shit out of here.
LukewarmHotdog 3 months ago
Glenn Beck... Libertarian?
warnation101 3 months ago
I see alot of hate on Beck but not much on Penn he is just as bad as Beck if not worst
JayDee284 3 months ago
@JayDee284 ya, I didn't know Penn was such a selfish conservative
iggyshay 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Thank god Occupy Wall Street is gaining steam; 66% of the public now want to tax the rich
iggyshay 3 months ago
@JayDee284 How is he, for ones he wants to end Americas violent foreign policy thats killed millions throughout the decades, beck doesn't.
liberalgamer4 3 months ago
@liberalgamer4 he is of the member of N.R.A. believes that owning gun's is a good thing over 700 people in America Die from bullet wounds every year he is as bad Beck he is just on the other side
JayDee284 3 months ago
@JayDee284 You do know america has the highest gun ownership and yet is only 10th in global homicides rates, in fact only 3 of the top 20 global homicide rates have weak gun laws. Switzerland is 4th on gun ownership per 1000 and yet has the lowest homicide rate per 1000 in the world. Also owning a gun is a good thing you fool, life is violent and I'd rather have something to protect me if my life is threatened than nothing at all.
liberalgamer4 3 months ago
@liberalgamer4 a gun can not save you guns only kill that's all there good 4 the low homicides rates are because police have more ways of founding criminals than they did 50 years ago gun ownership has never stopped crime before and it never will life is not violent people are violent gun ownership only helps the violence
JayDee284 3 months ago
@JayDee284 If a run a corner and the state has made public ownership of fire arm illegal and a gang comes in and tries to rob me, do you think they then wouldn't have fire arms? I would be left defenseless they would have complete control over me at that set period in time. There is a clear correlation of gun ownership and crime rates in america, in that as gun ownership has risen over the years crime rates have fallen.
liberalgamer4 3 months ago
@liberalgamer4 same as how as drug control has increased crime has increased because of the black market.
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JayDee284 3 months ago
@liberalgamer4 there is no reasoning with u gun's are stupid and so people who own them I live Australia we don't have gun ownership laws here and things are more peaceful because of it getting killed by a gun is very rare here and don't have worry about some loony with gun killing alot of people in a school an like you were it can happen any were any time and no gun can stop loony's from going kill crazy
JayDee284 3 months ago
@JayDee284 I have given objective facts and statistics and yet your putting you're hands over your ears going 'lalalalala I'm not listening', there no arguing with a statist like you you'll never listen to reason, this is like talking to a creationist pointless and a waste of my time.
liberalgamer4 3 months ago
@liberalgamer4 your a waste of a life my eyes are open and I see people killing people with guns live by the sword die by the sword same goes guns p.s. the facts and statistics you are giving come from gun-nuts trying make them legal 4 there own sick gain
JayDee284 3 months ago
Glenn Beck vs Penn Jillette
the epic clash of the asshole's
JayDee284 3 months ago
Don't call yourself a Libertarian, Beck you cocksucker.
zeroeffects88 3 months ago
Libertarians and one conservative, pretending to be a libertarian, makes everyone stupid. Libertarianism is a business-worshiping cultish religion, which churns out annoying flamers who resemble nothing so much as street-preachers on the Information Sidewalk. They confuse the ordinary sense of words with the meaning as "terms of art" in Libertarian axioms. Basically, they're probably high and on another plane of existence.
Tradeofjane 3 months ago
I really don't fucking appreciate ignorant-as-fuck American talking heads telling lies about Canada. Keep your bullshit within your own god damned country, and speak for yourselves. You want to teach people about Canada? HAVE A FUCKING CANADIAN DO IT. What was that horseshit about the lottery? We're not a 3rd world country; that shit doesn't happen. Also, the reason a waiting list for a dog is shorter than one for a human is, there's less fucking dogs having CT scans! Fuck fox news.
yackon4game 4 months ago 2
@yackon4game Actually the reason is because a CT scan can be bought for about 1k. This gave the vet incentive to purchase the equipment for dogs. But humans are not allowed to pay the 1k for a scan. I am from Canada, and our system is far from perfect. It is true that the US system is fucked, but the reason is because the government mandates that employers purchase insurance for all employees, and insurance packages are not allowed to have only limited coverage. Cheers.
daobagua 3 months ago
@yackon4game Trust me. I'm an American and neither one of these people represent me or my beliefs. They're all crazy and the proof can be found in the fact that they're all actually able to have a conversation with a loony like Glenn Beck, who is oddly enough not preaching the apocalypse...yet. They're also misrepresenting a lot of information. Oh and yes, Faux News does suck.
Tradeofjane 3 months ago
@yackon4game don't worry man, everybody in america hates Glenn beck too
paulkingmidas 2 months ago
@yackon4game I know. This is very wrong. These guys are purposefully misinformed
The22American 2 months ago
@yackon4game Except Stossel actually went to Canada and spoke with Canadians, that's where the "horseshit about the lottery" comes from. Watch Stossels report "Sick in America"
ecuadmail 2 months ago
@ecuadmail Stossel cherry picked one small town in rural Ontario, with a population of 4000. Any town of 4000, in Canada or the U.S., would be hard pressed to attract docs. Not to mention it was ONE DOCTOR. There are 65,000 other docs in Canada that DON'T do a lottery. But according to Stossel, its a common thing. That's why its HORSESHIT!!!!
MadHabber93 2 months ago
Wow, three libertarians together to talk about health care. That's real balanced. They're all fucking morons. I like Penn and everything, but he says some really stupid things sometimes. And when I needed a CT scan, I got it the same day as my injury. With in an hour or so. BTW, I live in Canada. America lives in its own deluded bubble for the most part.
urantivirus 4 months ago 2
@urantivirus My aunt lives in Canada. She's been waiting almost 3 years to get knee surgery. Her doctor told her, 'if she wants to get the surgery done immediately, go to the states and pay cash.' Socialized healthcare is great for minor symptoms, not true for more serious problems. There is a waiting list. Fuck that! Privatized health insurance is waaayyyyyyyyy better.
natazer 3 months ago
@natazer My brother waited 2 months for is non-urgent knee surgery. Posted wait times in most provinces for knee surgery are measure in weeks, not years. Where does this 'aunt' live?? Not to mention that knee surgery is elective surgery, not urgent surgery. We don't wait for urgent surgery. How long does one wait if they don't have good insurance and can't afford it??
Beartit69 3 months ago
@Beartit69 Well said, his whole story smells of bullshit and makes no sense. He's also not the first person to tell me that exact story, the whole aunt and knee surgery.
urantivirus 3 months ago
@urantivirus Thanks. I always love the 'aunt' or friend story. Because those anecdotes are always true of an entire system. You never hear the story of the person waiting years to get that arm sewn back on, or years to get that bypass surgery. The good thing about the net, I can call these people on their wait time claims.
Beartit69 3 months ago