UNDERSTANDING RAMADAN PT 3.mpg

[SurahIklas]

Another one of Elijah's false claim

The nation of Fard believe in a giant UFO spaceship that is man made this is called motherplane.

The saying is that Elijah is on this spaceship and is going to drop bombs and kill all of the whitepeople. Its for the purpose of detroying america.

@MUHAMMADTEMPLE15

you should be ashamed of yourself.

What does this have to do with Islam?????

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

The nation of Abdullah believes "Africans" are an inferior humanity that should be subjugated to the whims and rule of "Arabs" by way of white people.

@SurahIklas

you should be ashamed of yourself.

What does white/"Arab" racism have to do with Islam?????

[SurahIklas]

How could Fard's father really be a black skinned man and Fard be white as any caucasian...

Can you see this stuff was made up. I dont know why they said all these things but it was all made up.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

Master Fard Muhammad was not as white as any caucasian. The caucasians who arrested him said so.

End of argument.

[SurahIklas]

Elijah taught that Jacob or Yakub was the father of the white race...

So was this Yacub the father of Fard because Fard was WHITE !!!!

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

Master Fard Muhammad was not white. The devils who arrested him were white and said he was not white.

End of argument.

[SurahIklas]

Was Fard a "devil" because he was a whiteman!

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

There's no such thing as a whiteman with a Black father jerk.

[SurahIklas]

Another one of Fard and Elijah's false claims

It is recorded that Elijah taught that Fard was Al Mahdi of muslims which is not Islam according to prophecy.

The prophecy in Islam of the coming of Al Mahdi is as follows..

His fathers name will be Abdullah. He will also be a decendant of Fatimah.

It is often stated that Fard's father was a black skinned man and his mother was a woman from the caucases. At any rate he was neither a decendant of the Prophet or of the bloodline of Fatimah.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

There are many so-called prophecies of the coming of the mahdi that are ridiculous at best.

That Master Fard Muhammad is The Great Mahdi is evident by his work among us.

[SurahIklas]

In REAL ISLAM no person has to register or wite a letter. But because the nation of so called Islam is NOT Islam I guess that make you do these things.

To become a muslim a person must bear witness in his heart that there is God but Allah and Muhammad "not Elijah Muhammad" is his messenger.

Then follow the Quran and the Sunnah or way of the prophet Muhammad.

[Shareefm1]

We follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

How can you follow the way of prophet Muhammad? The hadiths are contradictory, and you weren't there, there aren't any videos of him, so how can you do it?

Furthermore, we are NOT in the desert of Arabia, so how can we follow the "WAY" of someone who lived in the desert more than 1400 years ago.

If you follow his sunnah, stop using the computer, he didn't use one.

Continues...

[Shareefm1]

Continued...

Prophet Muhammad was the LAST prophet to the Arab land, they had prophets from Abraham to Muhammad. The Quran speaks of a warner coming to a people to whom no warner has come before. THAT CAN'T BE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH).

We speak English, Muhammad spoke Arabic. Surah 14 verse 4 "And we sent no messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly..."

How could he be OUR warner if he can't speak the "language of the people"?

[SurahIklas]

@ shareefm1

pt 1. Again you are saying something that is against Quran. The Quran clearly states that Muhammad is the last of prophets/messengers sent to the world. Allah(swa) says that he will send no more to any people any where. Surah 33:40

In this surah Allah closes the line of prophets and messegers to man by making Muhammad the last to the world of men. His message is for all men any where on earth and for all races.

[SurahIklas]

pt 2 Thank you for surah 14:4 if you continue to the next few verses you will read.

"Now Allah leaves straying Those whom he pleases And guides whom He pleases".

In verse 4 Allah says that he has SENT "past tense" a messenger with the language of its people refering to the prophets up to Prophet Muhammad then the religion/way of life was perfected and Allah explains that as well elsewhere in the Quran.

Once it was perfect throught The Prophet there would be no need for anyone else.

[SurahIklas]

pt 3

Now after prophet muhammad the Quran has been translated in to many languages to give its meaning. This was done long before Fard and Elijah were born.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

You are a liar and a fool. We gotcha on this one. The first English translation of The Holy Quran was not made before Master Fard Muhammad was born. There was no such translation long before 1877 or 1897. Master Fard Muhammad was born in 1897 and Messenger Elijah Muhammad in 1897. Now name the translations of the Quran into any language before either one of those years and we'll stand corrected. Fail to name them and you can shut your silly Sunni mouth.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

Correction:The above should read Master Fard Muhammad was born in 1877 and NOT 1897, as I mistakenly wrote.

[SurahIklas]

Why sure the Quran was translated into english before Fard and Elijah were born.

Here is a list of a few.

1. Alexander Ross

released in 1649

2. George Sale

released in 1734 which is still in print today.

3. John Rodwell

released in 1861

The arabic was spoken by those who knew how to translate the spoken language then written down by these men who wrote it into english.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

1. Alexander Ross did not translate The Quran from Arabic. The first one to do so was Mr. Sale.

2. Mr. Sale was no friend of Islam and considered Islam to be an inferior religion.

3. Mr. Rodwell's translation was not "long before" Master Fard Muhammad was born. 16 years is not long. He was also an enemy of Islam who saught to disparage Islam.

It is pathetic that you promote translations of our book by those who don't even accept it as a holy book.

[Shareefm1]

@SurahIklas

By your reasoning, that would make all the prophets before Muhammad prophets to the world also, because the Bible has been translated into probably every major language on the planet!

[SurahIklas]

No it doesnt mean that in the case that all other prophets before Muhammad were sent to specific nations and people. In the case of Jesus he was sent only to the children of Isreal. However Muhammad is the universal prophet for all times and the last that Allah has or will send to man. That why Allah says "this day I have prefected religion".

[Shareefm1]

Yes, Jesus to the jews, Muhammad of Arabia to the Arabs, and Elijah Muhammad OF the Black people in America TO the Black people of America.

He couldn't be OUR Messenger, because we had not been brought here by the devil yet!

No, Allah does NOT say "this day I have perfected religion" He says "This day I have perfected FOR YOU (Arabs), YOUR religion, and chosen FOR YOU (Arabs), Islam AS a religion." It was ALREADY the perfect way of life of the original people of the earth LOONG before!

[SurahIklas]

It would help if you study the arabic language then you would be able to read Quran and know the real meaning is refering to all men all human beings. But translators of Quran pick the closet words that they can to give you the meaning but its not the same. Even though I have read many english meanings of the quran the translators can never give the same arabic meaning that Allah(swa) gave to us.

When translating Quran to english you may find it hard to find the same meaning for words.

[Shareefm1]

So, you say that it is a message for the world, but in order for the "world" to truly understand the message, the "world" would have to learn the arabic language.

How is THAT merciful?

Allah shows His mercy by raising messengers from among the people whom He would warn. This has been done all throught the history of His Messengers. Why would he now require us all to learn arabic in order to understand His message?

It just doesn't make sense.

[SurahIklas]

No I am saying that YOU need to learn arabic if your going to try to quote Quran. If you knew the meaning of this from Quran.

الله لا ا له او اله ال هو الحي القيو م

You would read that and know that Allah is not a man in human form. Allah has never appeard in the for of a man...may Allah(swa) guide you.

[Shareefm1]

If Allah is not a man, what is "HE"? Are you suggesting that there is something that Allah is incapable of doing?

Surah 7:195, Allah asks the question concerning associate gods, "Have they feet with which the walk, or have they hands with which they hold, or have they eyes with which they see, or have they ears with which they hear?"

If they have none of the above, they can't compare to Allah who has ALL of the above!

If Allah is not man, then you should call Him "IT" and not "HE"

[SurahIklas]

Surah 7:195 Prophet Muhammad is speaking to those worshiping false gods. We know that they are false because they are refered to as men. So the prophet tells them to do what they can to him His protection is from Allah.

thats all that is saying.

[Shareefm1]

That's YOUR understanding of the Surah, but not THE understanding of it.

YOUR understanding of it is skewed because you believe in a non-existent spook or spirit god.

The prophet CLEARLY asks if their false gods have feet, hands, eyes, or ears (like the REAL God).

Can you name something in the UNIVERSE that is greater than man?

And if you say Allah, then you would have to explain what "YOUR" Allah is, if IT is not man.

[SurahIklas]

Well atleast you know now that prophet Muhammad is speaking in this surah :)

Yes I can name one that is greater than all things He is Allah(swa) who clearly states that he is not a man.

[Shareefm1]

1) If Allah is not a man then you can't call Allah "HE" you must call Allah "IT". 

2) If Allah is not a man, then what is "HE"?

[Shareefm1]

How do you know that Allah is not a man, and has never appeared in human form? Are YOU Allah, do YOU speak on His behalf?

You should say that you don't "BELIEVE" that Allah is a man, and you don't "BELIEVE" that Allah has ever appeared in the form of a man. To say that Allah "is not" or Allah "has never" suggest that you "KNOW"!

Allah is the best knower, not YOU!

[SurahIklas]

The quran clearly states that Allah is unseen. Also it adds that he is not part of creation but from which all creation comes and depends.

Out of the billions of muslims in the world, the nation of Fard./Elijah "though they are not a part of Islam" are the only group in the world that say that Allah is a man. If Fard was an arab and could read quran he would have read many verses in quran that reject this.

That is like saying that prophet Muhammad is a woman while quran says he is a man.

[Shareefm1]

Master Fard Muhammad can read and write arabic fluently! The Nation of Islam is absolutely NOT against the Quran, just against your UNDERSTANDING of the Qur'an.

The Qur'an CLEARLY refers to Allah as "HE" and "HIM" all throughout the book.

Can "HE" and "HIM" refer to anything other than a man?

Can your invisible spook god be referred to as "HE" or "HIM"?

[SurahIklas]

Sure you can refer to "he" other than man..LOL

prophet Muhammad's favorite camel was a male and he refered to it as "he".

[Shareefm1]

So you see, "He" can ONLY refer to someone or something of the MALE SPECIES! Not something that doesn't exist like your spook god.

[SurahIklas]

No thats wrong ....like in the case of refering to nations like America as her or she.

Allah does exist but he is not creation as stated in Quran.

[Shareefm1]

So Allah is a a nation like America now?

I KNOW Allah exists, and I know who HE is! YOUR spook god is the one that does not exist.

[Shareefm1]

Again, reject all you want, Messengers were indeed rejected BEFORE the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Just as Prophet Muhammad was rejected, Jesus was rejected, Hud, Lot, Moses, Noah, Abraham were all rejected.

Your rejection or the "billions of muslims in the world" rejection of OUR Messenger does not detract ONE IOTA from the truth of the message that he gave to us from Allah!

[SurahIklas]

All of the Messengers agreed with one onother and taught the oness of Allah. They all came with the same message. However Elijah came with a false teaching that was far diffrent than what the Messengers of Allah taught. Thus he is not from Allah(swa) and a false messenger.

[Shareefm1]

No sir, Elijah Muhammad (The Messenger of Allah), is the FULFILLMENT of the prophecies of the prophets of the past. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has been given the true understanding of the "HE" and "HIM" that the prophets of the past spoke of but could not identify, that was reserved for the time of judgment in which we are now living. When ALL things will be made CLEAR, INCLUDING THE REALITY OF ALLAH!

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

Messenger Muhammad also taught the oneness of God. He didn't come with the same message of all the Prophets and neither did The Holy Prophet. The Quran speaks of messages abrogated by other messages that are newer messages and them being rejected by the idiots who want to keep the old messages. The so-called Jews rejected The Quran because it was not the same message as The Torah, according to The Quran. You jerks do the same with Messenger Muhammad.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

The Quran does not say Allah is unseen. It merely says vision "comprehends him not." It does not say vision sees him not. There are many things we can not comprehend that are right in front of our faces. Your lack of comprehension of The Holy Quran you can clearly SEE is a prime example.

[Shareefm1]

Again, you make the suggestion that the ONLY way to truly understand Allah's message is to read arabic. Is that the only language in which Allah can make His message clear? What of the billions of people around the world who need Allah's message, do they have to learn Arabic in order to receive it properly?

No brother, may Allah guide YOU!

[SurahIklas]

No I said that it would help you. Though there are groups that have deviated away from Quran in practice. I have never found a group that have "Lied" on the Qurans meaning more than the nation of Fard. This group is the most deviated group that claims to be muslim.

[Shareefm1]

Again, you should simply state that you don't BELIEVE in HIM whom we believe in, and we don't BELIEVE in "THAT" which YOU believe in.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Master Fard Muhammad have lied about NOTHING! It is merely beyond your spooky way of thinking about Allah.

It doesn't matter if the entire WORLD of Islam rejects him...NOW. Perhaps in 1,400 years there will be billions of people who UNDERSTAND the Quran the way we do! Just like with you and Muhammad of Arabia.

[SurahIklas]

It not just me or the billions of muslims that reject Fard's false claim but Allah(swa) rejects this in the very Quran itself.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

We don't give a damn about you wicked, no good bastards thinking we're deviants! If it wasn't for sons of bitches like you, we wouldn't even be in America in the first place! Aint no God Damned Quran made you mutha$@@ka's quit pissin all over The Blackman!!! Go to hell!!! That bootleg "REAL ISLAM, HOLY QURAN" isht you talkin aint never been applied by those who talk it with respect to their treatment of us!!! We aint interested buddy!!!

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

The Quran was not supposed to have taught the knowledge of the person or reality of God. It was supposed to remain hidden until the proper time. This is that time and it is being revealed.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

All human beings are not the same. I don't need no Quran to tell me that. Reality is more than sufficient to demonstrate that. The whiteman's history on our planet can not be dismissed by no verses in no damned book jackazz!!! IT IS WHAT THE HELL IT IS!!!

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

The whiteman is the devil. He is an all together different human being than any other human beings. He is wicked and evil by nature and aint no Prophet, including The Holy Prophet (PBUH) been able to do a damned thing with that crakkka since he's been on the earth!!!

[SurahIklas]

Was prophet Muhammad a "devil" ???because we know that he was a WHITE ARAB...

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

He was not a devil. He was a member of The Black Nation. Arabs are not white. They are Asian and not European. That's why they are also discriminated against and the whiteman calls them sand niggers.

[SurahIklas]

Arabs of Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are not white???

You really need to get out more!

[SurahIklas]

I should say most arabs or alot of arabs are white.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

Tell your white master to get out more. He is the one who calls them sand niggers.

[Shareefm1]

@SurahIklas

So you're saying that Allah's revelation to ALL the prophets before Muhammad was imperfect?! So He couldn't get it right until 1400 years ago?

I beg your pardon but Islam has ALWAYS been perfect! It was just perfected for the people from whom prophet Muhammad was raised! There is a BIG difference.

And you're right, there is no need for anyone else to the Arab world, you have had prophets from Abraham to Muhammad if u don't have it right by now, U go down with the devil too!

[SurahIklas]

All of the prophets were muslim and they taught Islam. However after time men corrupted the religion as the jews and christions did.

But Muhammad being the last Messenger of Allah has allowed this message to enter into the hearts of over 1.5 billion people.

Also Allah and his prophet Muhammad are not just for Arabs. He is a mercy for all men of all races and there will be no more.

[Shareefm1]

So are you saying that those so-called muslims who blow themselves up and murder other muslims, and JUSTIFY it with Quran and hadith haven't corrupted the message of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

[SurahIklas]

You can't justify that in Quran the Quran clearly rejects that..

Those people who do that are just like you. They are not following the Quran and may not even be muslim.

[Shareefm1]

Those people are NOTHING like me and there is absolutely no need to resort to insults! We in the N.O.I. don't kill ourselves or anyone else! We uphold ALL the priciples of Islam so who are YOU to judge whether we are muslim or not? Allah is the Judge not you!

[Shareefm1]

@SurahIklas

Yes, The Quran says that Muhammad is the seal of the prophets, NOT THE LAST MESSENGER! Prophet Muhammad said himself that "Among my community there will be those to whom Allah will speak but they will not be prophets." The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is a Messenger (Rasul) NOT a prophet (Nabi) there is a difference!

You didn't address the fact that Allah says in His Qur'an that there will be a warner to a people to whom no warner has come before!

[SurahIklas]

Muslims have been in america before america became a developed nation actually before Columbus. Many of the blacks brought out of Africa to the West were muslim. So Islam has been in america alot longer than most people know.

So Islam was among the blacks before Fard and Elijah were born. I am sure you know that the africans taken from west africa around 1500-1600 many were muslim. As I said there were muslims from africa and spain here before Columbus arrived.

[Shareefm1]

Perhaps that is true, but none of the muslims that you say were here taught the slaves/former slaves Islam. That's why Allah had to come Himself to raise up a messenger to do that which NO OTHER MUSLIM IN THE WORLD HAS DONE! To teach Islam to the once slave, Black man and woman of America! The Arabs didn't and still don't do it, but they do sell pork and liquor and dope to the blackman!

[SurahIklas]

Some blacks who say that they are muslim eat pork,sell drugs, steal,shoot and kill other blacks.

You have ingnorance from ever race. To be sucessful you must believe in Allah and follow Prophet Muhammad not Arabs, Jews are Blacks. Allah sent us his prophet to raise all humanity. However we must strive hard to earn the pleasure of Allah(swa).

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

The Holy Quran speaks of The Last Messenger in 33:7 and it is clear it is not Muhammad of Arabia (PBUH). This is the same covenant spoken of in 3:81 and is again not speaking of Muhammad of Arabia (PBUH).

You don't seem to know your Quran very well.

[MUHAMMADTEMPLE15]

"REAL ISLAM," as you say may work pretty well for those who claim it, but it sure as hell aint working worth a damn for us! So until "REAL ISLAM" can do what Elijah Muhammad's "FAKE ISLAM" has done, you and those who claim it can take your "REAL ISLAM" and shove up it up your...