Btw: the big bang-theory is a theory, NOT a fact. We couldn't possibly know for sure what actually happend milions of years ago. It's just the most accepted theory, there are good reasons to believe in this theory, but you don't have to recognize it as a fact. Personally I believe in the eternal existence of the universe. Butthe theory that universe came from nothing is more reasonable as the belief that a wizard did it. Because: Where did the wizard came from? From nothing? Same problem again.
The God in the BIBLE? Even if all this nonsense would prove the existence for a (!) god, it doesn't proof the existence of this particular God in the bible (this angry old man, who actually hates us all and don't want us to have gay sex).
"What people perceive as real, true, right, valuable and meaningful is dramatically influenced by their view of whether God is real or not." Ok, he already lost me at this point.
The last 2 so called "reasons" aren't even scientific. And the meta-theologician takes things back even further than the theologician and asks "Who created god? or why was god, a seemingly more complex being than the universe there to begin with?"
It's funny how that people hate on something they no nothing about because if they did they would stop slandering God. But when judgement day comes I only hope they have repented. Trust me I've seen and experienced things in God hahaha oh if y'all only new how real God is but I guess people like yall it's well you can't make someone do something they don't want to do or see.
@Zuumish #1 - the bible has been translated multiple times, so it's possible there was a slight error or mistranslation. #2 - If God has the power to create life and the world, then he has the power to bend the rules of life as he chooses.
The materialist tries to convince himself of a world that exists in and of itself, eternally and without cause. However, we cannot believe in something that has neither beginning nor cause. The theologian takes matters one step further back by saying that God created the world.
@1tabligh A quote illogical as much as it is obselete, as science has establishesd that the physical universe is not eternal, but that it began a finite amount of time ago. An atheistic materialism has become, at this point, nothing but a denial of reality - as you cannot deny a cause for that which is temporal i.e. the universe. God is and must be that cause, regardless of who may happen to agree or disagree.
Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering
@RaizeMusic of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to
believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
Bigbuddah2012 I'm guessing you failed Science you dumb shit considering you don't know shit about how stuff works. I bet you can't explain why it rains either. And don't say it's God pissing...
If god isnt real then why do monkeys animals and fowl beast run the earth and kill without feeling and humans can kill and feel guilt? If god isnt real then what gave me the audacity to search up this video? If god isnt real then why can man who rapes end up 10 years later helping communities. Instead of rotting in prison. And why is the prison there? Its not wrong to kill if theres no god.
@ghm107 lol i don't think god needs to do that. And he will come down and show himself. When revelations unfolds you will be the first to take the mark because of your argumentative ways. God loves you turn back to the lord before its too late. -3 if god isn't real then why do atheist seem to by every way try to prove him wrong but never succeed? If god isn't real then why do i love others? And not simply want them for sex? If god isn't real then why do humans have an aesthetic taste for things
1 no evidence, gaps in knowledge do not justify god. 2. That's just they way things are and it's subjective no such evidence for god here. 3 That can be explained by evolution. An unethical race that went around killing each other wouldn't survive and therefore doesn't exist. 4 Once again evolution can explain. While people are generally moral we are still sometimes compelled to do certain things, and genetic variation can account for some forms of insanity. Man is no more god like than any ani
The problem with atheist is that most of them think they are so smart yet they don't realise that most of scientific claims made about the universe are theories that need to be researched farther so we cannot deny gods existence as much as we we would support it
I'm a Celstian. Princess Celestia and Princess Luna created the universe. But of course, you can't meet her because she lives in Canterlot, Equestria and I don't know where that is.
If god does exist and he is this great being, then why can't he come to earth and prove his existence? Hopefully some religious people have read this comment and thought about it.
@ghm107 Nice thought, however most religious people seem to be content with seeing Jesus's face burnt into a piece of toast. Sadly enough, this is all the 'proof' they need. -.-
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@ghm107 Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Im willing to call a False dichotomy on this video. _
There are more useless and quite harmful things in the universe that can verywell destroy life. Also extending the biblical time line to fit that of the scientific timeline is for the sake of pseudo accuracy is questionable...
the truth is - the only way you can justify belief in god is through 'faith (the deliberate suspension of reaon)' - this is the key tennant of any religion.
without faith any religion collapses - it opens the question of 'how long can religion survive in the 'age of reason'?'
4) evolution stands up to this test as well - it is to the advantage of a tribe for its members to be very creative in coming up with new ideas for technology. it is also to their advantage for them to be exclusive, ie to reject other cultures, this is simply a hangover from man animal past
5) the claims of jesus are made in the bible and backed by the bible - this is a circular argument, many people wanted him to be the messiah - these same people wrote the bible
1) no-one claims there was 'nothing' before the big bang - just that its hard to know what caused it - god has no part.
2) the 'order' in the universe is the result of a random set of constants - different constants could easily lead to different life
3) ethical values arise from our need to co-operate as a species - evolution explains it nicely - people who know instinctively what is good for society have an advantage, the bible is immoral - stonings seem to be a regular fixture in it.
Followers of Christ can not be spoken for by certain people it's not a religion its a relationship with God I am not bashing any religious views but every scientist that was ever great admitted to a divine creator of all things. And if the "Big Bang Theory" was matter randomly came together and created our complex universe where did the matter come from.
I don't know if God exists or not, but my definition of God would be the Sun herself, as all things in this world, right from plants to the most tiny chemical reactions, from petroleum to human beings, is possible only in the presence of our beautiful star. Without her, we would perish. I don't believe in religion, because every individual has varying opinions on it. Why, there are so many religions in the world. Which one do we believe? Nature is "God" and Science and Nature go hand in hand.
i belive that flying unicorns came one day.. they were created out of nothing and had magical powers.. seriously i think that , they created the universe and all the human beings. and their friend the muffin helpt them.. i mean com'on, you havent any proof that it isnt true, there for it must be true right? i should write a book about this muffin.. brb.
In the bible god openely accepts and encourages slavery, bigotry, racism, sexism, torture, murder. And yet these days everyone knows all these things are wrong, and christians choose to ignore and pretend that these parts of the bible dont exist. The vatican is suspected to have billions and billions in gold in the US Federal Reserve and yet the bible says that all faithfull followers give up their money to the poor, yet we see the pope dress himself in silk and velvet whilst people die of star
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
This was a great video for the existence of God; I already knew most of this, but the video made it very easy and clear to follow. Glory to God in the highest!
That's false. I love god and I know I'm going to heaven. I can't really explain it much better than this. When I accepted him, I felt like a mysterious gap had been filled in my life. Ever since I've been joyful about how god gave me a chance to live with him.
What r the chances of a little itty bitty molecule exploding and creating this whole large universe.
Evolution:
How come u never see evolution still happening today but u see creation everyday so explain Tht to me and don't say same type of bird with a longer or shorter beak. Well here's a thought maybe two different birds got together mated and had offspring and the outcome is a different type of bird that looks more like one of the parents.
@Crazziesrhere The Big Bang was not an "explosion" or a "creation" event. It was the expansion of space and the energy and matter within it to fill that space. The universe as we know it was produced from a gradual condensation and cooling of that matter and energy.
Evolution happens to this day, at least as far as evolutionary biologists understand it. It could be that you haven't been properly taught what evolution is. If you're interested in learning, I'll be glad to share.
If I accept the fact that God exists, i have to take responsiblity for my sin. People suppress there guilt by saying there is no God. The moment you tell yourself God exists you will need to deal with your sin.
God always existed. He said "I'm the alpha and the omega" beginning and end. You can't say he didn't with any kind of reasoning behind whatever you say because no one can even fathom how he works. He invented more dimensions than the human mind can comprehend. You can't prove he doesn't exist.
@GottistmeinFels To say that one "can't prove that god doesn't exist" is an entirely useless statement because there are many ideas that cannot be disproven and that share a lack of evidence with the idea of god's existence. It is like me saying that you cannot disprove the existence of Nessie or Bigfoot. It may be possible that they exist, but we have no reason to think that they do without solid evidence.
The bible wasn't written by man it was written by god THROUGH man. The bible can't be wrong because man never influenced it. Therefore it is all true. And if you die and go to nothing how do you explain near death experiences then. Not one person who was brought back to life said "I went to nothing then I came back"
@GottistmeinFels You have no evidence that the Bible was not influenced by men. You also have nothing to support the claim that it is "all true" even if it were inspired by a deity or similar transcendental being. Near death experiences have a strong tendency to reflect the expectations and beliefs of those who experience them; e.g. Christians experience their perception of a Christian afterlife, Muslims to Islamic afterlife, Hindus a Hindu afterlife, etc. It's probably mental.
sod it !! i was with it till the bible was mentioned
if your going to attempt to hang your moral hat on the bible its over!
if your capable of thinking hard enough to put the first part of this video together then drift into beliving the bible is a good source of moral infomation then i fear you are more lost than your typical sychophantic hell peddling self absorbed prostitute to salvation
gods not real sorry to burst your bubble. the reason so many people believe because they are influenced by the rest of the world, which is also brainwashed, that god is real and all this blahblahblah, the bible is JUST a book, written by man. there is no heaven or hell, when your dead it will be just like it was before you were born, your NOTHING, but also people believe in god if they have loved ones dead, its easier to deal with death thinking theyre in a better place
@Frozzify What a sad life you have. Your life may mean NOTHING to you, mine means alot more than NOTHING. In your twisted veiw, the moral law must mean NOTHING then. Why don't we all go out and start killing each other because it's all for NOTHING meaning NOTHING, going NOWHERE. If life is meaningless, then rape, murder and other horrific crimes really mean NOTHING and should be promoted because we're all meaningless life forms going NOWHERE for NO REASON. "There is no heaven or hell" Good luck.
@bheadh Nihilistic atheists rarely argue that there is no such thing as meaning, but rather that all meanings are subjective and what we deem to be acceptable, good, bad, significant, etc. are in the eye of the beholder.
@StormZephyr So, in this logic, if the "beholder" in his "eye" thinks it's OK to murder, then...go ahead...it means nothing. This logic is demented and defenceless.
@bheadh Did I say that I would permit such a thing? Did you say that you would? Of course not. Neither of us would like such a thing, therefore we should strive to prevent it. What we _should_ do is up to us. As it happens, you and I- and most people, incidentally- happen to share values of good and bad, right and wrong, as per our preference and our conditioning. It is these values that we attempt to uphold in society. We do not freely permit others to cause harm.
@StormZephyr The "values" you're talking about have been around for 1000s of years. They're called :Judeo-Christian "values". The world has had it's Godless governments before, they're called COMMUNIST. Millions have been killed as a result of THEIR "values"...and they don't "value" much, especially human life. Like it said in the video here, quoting Dostoevski, "If there is no God, then everything is permissible".
@bheadh You cannot conflate tyrannical governments with the people over whom they preside. I submit to you that most people by nature prefer a world where they don't constantly have to fight, backstab, and push each other out of the way to go on living. This, and empathy, not the belief in God, is the beginning of decency toward others (or toward the abuse of power, as seen in the governments you cite). "Permissible" was to Stalin a different opinion than a man he sent to the Gulag.
@StormZephyr "You cannot conflate..." You most certainly can! How do you think the communists came to power in the first place? They had SUPPORT from the people they hoodwinked after they took over power. Man has been under "tyranical governments" since the dawn of history. A few a the top have ALWAYS had the "power". Whether in a democracy or a communist dictatorship. Yes, people would love to live in a utopian world, we been trying to get there for, how long now?...Empathy doesn't stop killers
@bheadh "from the people they hoodwinked" ...And here you ADMIT that the people who were necessary for these regimes to come to power were tricked, misled to believe that the governments they put in place would uphold the very values for which they fought. What they desired was very different from what they were given. The regime and the people are not the same thing.
But I digress. The lack of an objective morality is a justification for evil only in the minds of those who commit it.
@Frozzify ...brainwashed, that god is real and all this blahblahblah,...
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The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@StormZephyr Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
@1tabligh The laws, supposing them to have an origin and not BE the origin, would not arise from the matter in any case- they govern that matter, the universe's energy, and the evolution of the universe. The only reason we suppose any different is because we ourselves are an intelligent, self-aware process.
If you mean to argue that a naturalistic explanation could never account for the precision of these laws, then I challenge you to demonstrate that this is so.
@StormZephyr Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
@1tabligh One has to take a step back and remember that nature is not a gentle force when considering what forged biological life as we know it. I agree with you that there is "design" - what we disagree on was its source. Design was by elimination, by natural selection. The reason everything works as well as it does is simply because it would cease to exist if it didn't work. Less miraculous, perhaps, but I see no reason to jump to the conclusion of a divine intelligence.
@StormZephyr What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@1tabligh Medicine has spent only millennia deconstructing what took billions of years to put together. "Mere nature," as you put it, deserves more credit!
I will grant that an intelligent designer seems intuitive. Wouldn't it follow that something kind of like us- designers by nature- designed us, in all our complexity? But there's what I'm getting at- we are an extension of nature's design, aware of and accelerated in our selections.
@StormZephyr Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@1tabligh Again, it's tempting to agree with the intuitive answer. But for me, if all we're going on is induction (humans intelligently design complexity, ergo humans' complexity was intelligently designed) without direct evidence and the question of who designed the designer remains unanswered, I find it best not to leap to that conclusion.
Meanwhile, we can see for ourselves the means by which nature can build complexity, no brain required.
@StormZephyr Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@1tabligh What I've been saying is that faith is not required to see for oneself the way in which nature could (again, I haven't been around millions of years, so I can't say for sure) increase biological complexity sans any sort of intelligent guidance.
It is not to matter, but to the guidance of immutable physical laws that govern all matter that scientists credit the evolution of life and the universe.
@StormZephyr Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@1tabligh I do not know what the source of natural laws is. It might be unknowable. There might not even be a source and the laws exist unto themselves. Whether one is a scientist or a layman, it is fine to be of the belief that gods might have been the source of natural law, but that belief should not be represented as a fact or even as the most reasonable of all possibilities, as I so often see baldly asserted by many theists.
@StormZephyr Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
@1tabligh Concerning causality, one needn't posit an origin for the first cause because it by definition is uncaused. It has not been demonstrated that matter and energy have sources. We have only clues that they were once pressed together in an infinitesimally small sphere and expanded outward to become reality as we know it. Neither gods nor the universe itself require causes if they are said to be the first.
@StormZephyr This means that the atheists and the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
How did God become existent? Anyone? Because it seems a bit silly to talk about how much more sense God creating the universe makes than atheists theories on the big bang when God seems to have originated similarly.
When the Sun rises above the horizon to take its place in the sky, shedding its warmth on the world. From the rushing rivers & calm streams to the mighty sea. The wind rolling over the valleys carrying the leaves from the trees. The first breath of a newborn. In the generosity, goodwill and faith that people show each other. I can feel it in my heart, the glory of god. It is a feeling of happiness,joy, the spirit of life, it flows through me, and I know god lives in my heart.
I don't need anyone to prove anything to me. I'm not going to be one of those people that say "OH you're going to hell!". But I will say anyone who truly lets God in they're heart, they know god is real. I can't explain it, most of you won't understand or believe me and I can't prove it. Because I can't show the feeling I can feel in my heart and soul when in the presence of his glory. And when I say the presence of his glory, I don't mean just at Church.
Why have I written all this, one might wonder? Why would someone who doesn't believe this stuff spend so much time debunking it? It's because I believe in intellectual honesty. I am fine with people believing in Christianity, but they must never pretend to know for a fact- without compelling, objective evidence or reasoning- that their beliefs are true. I say both to Christians and skeptics: This video has not presented compelling, objective evidence or reasoning in support of Christianity.
Once again, all of these claims to martyrdom- of postcrucifixion appearances of Jesus- of an empty tomb- ALL COME THROUGH CHRISTIAN TRADITION OR WRITING. This, too, is not a coincidence - Either it's true, or we had ancient people making extraordinary superstitious claims. This could be for any number of reasons, the likes of which we can do nothing but speculate on.
The reason I say there is no evidence is because the only evidence of Jesus himself available to us is through people that claimed that he worked miracles, that his "enemies did not doubt his miraculous claims," that he had a "matchless moral character" - We have no modern examples of miracle workers or morally perfect people; why should we believe the account of Jesus according to (for example) John?
#5, again, is post-diction- but worse, the support involves a number of hollow claims that themselves are not supported by any evidence.
First, the prophecies. Concerning anyone claiming to be the Messiah (or writing about a person they claim to be the Messiah), they would need only study the necessary prophecies and use their pen to make their character fulfill the necessary details.
Second, there is no actual evidence of him working any miracles whatsoever.
#4 is both another argument from ignorance and an example of "post-diction." Just because we do not know the origins of human nature is NOT a reason to jump to a canned, unsupported explanation. Now, human nature is difficult to explain, but it is very easy to observe. Any writer could chalk the faults of humanity up to any one thing and the accomplishments of humanity to another, but without evidence tying them together, they are just blowing smoke, as you have so masterfully done here.
You go on to make the typical low-level apologetics mistake of claiming that "Everything is permissible without moral objectivity." Permissible to WHOM, exactly, in societies that make agreements on what they do and do not find acceptable within themselves? Certainly, atrocities like the holocaust are found to be objectionable to most of us, but this cannot be owed to any objective moral sense any more than the perpetrators' committing of it could be owed to one.
In #3, you do not make a compelling cause for the existence of any objective moral values. In fact, you shoot yourself in the foot right after the intro slide by saying that people are "generally intuitively cognizant of their moral obligations." What does this say to the people who are not "aware" of YOUR sense of morality? About societies that have DIFFERENT sets of ethical values? There is not moral objectivity - There is only societal influence and biological preference.
This is why, among other things, that your straw man of life being a "non-rational, mindless accident" is not only wrong, but also underestimates the power of what a "mindless" selection process is capable of. "Mindful" design principles, in fact, coincide with those of "mindless" design principles- If it doesn't work, toss it- If it does, keep it. Simple.
Your "reason #2" is so laden with logical gaffes that it's difficult to tease everything out.
"Allowing" for human life is hardly the same as "ensuring the emergence of human life." The universe is such an enormously hostile place that it follows that any conscious survivors would by definition only arise in the infinitesimally few compatible places in the universe. It isn't a "chance" or "coincidence" that this happened at all- It's the product of natural selection!
...than other hypothetical gods to account for ex nihilo appearance of the universe, supposing it to be the case.
You also employ an argument from ignorance here, asking the too-oft repeated "how do you explain x or y without god" question. There can be explanations to phenomenon we could not begin to fathom. You cannot assume that any one explanation is more reasonable than another without any relevant facts to support your particular position. "God," then, is an arbitrary explanation.
"All matter, energy, time and space came into existence... out of nothing."
You have zero evidence for this statement. You are using it fallaciously to support yet another incarnation of the Kalam cosmological argument. Big Bang cosmology explains the evolution of the universe from the singularity. It does not propose any origin at all for this singularity. We have no reason whatsoever to believe that the Big Bang arose ex nihilo.
You also do not explain why Biblegod is more adequate...
5 reasons there is no god: Prayers are never met, somehow there is a space under the earth with zombies being tortured, the bible's author was never found and never will be, god says he loves all of us when other books say he hates people like the gays, so much bigotry to it that you can't tell anything from it
this is a very well made video. but i, how can i say (write) it, ehm, all the proof in this video is taken from the bible (which is not historical accurate) which is NOT a source of evidence. if this video had some form of actual evidence, and were as good made, it COULD turn atheist to christ.
@MrJesusinuislife "Why would God call an evil heart to His purpose?
Apparently (I don't know the verse) God uses the "non elect" for his purposes according to the Bible. The "non elect" will have the Law fulfilled on them so God doesn't send them to hell they send themselves, again according to the Bible.
Check out Revelations 21:8. It explains how unbelievers are going to the lake of fire, the second death.
Imagine an otherwise good person who is an unbeliever burning forever. Can you?
@MrJesusinuislife Unbelievers are perfect candidates for going to hell. You see ALL unrepentant sinners go to hell and who is an example of that? A non believer who because he doesn't believe, doesn't feel the need to repent. So under Gods command unbelievers go to hell, even if they lead an exemplary life.
The ironic bit is that mass murderers, serial rapist, and generally very bad people who sincerely repent on their death bed could actually be reunited with their victims in heaven. NO JOKE.
God exist. There are things in the universe nobody can explain cause its GOD ! After all thet supernova explosion shit happend thet the planet was formed, where did all the other things come from ? Space ? Aliens ? Other humans ? Hell no ! GOD ! Thats the answer !
Your video is just another example of some Christians trying to crow bar the scriptures into matching scientific discovery. So according to Genesis plants existed before the sun. Really? I guess photosynthesis is just plan wrong. I guess there was a talking snake, silly me for thinking otherwise. According to you scientists rely on chance and coincidence to explain everything when we have the "reliable" bible to upend peer reviewed verifiable evidence.
(Continued) 6) Your evidence for Jesus is laughable. So the creator of the universe in the flesh thinks demons cause mental illness? Jesus was "witnessed" ascending by 500 people. Really, who were they. where are their testimonies?
Your video is stupefying made with baseless assertions, hearsay that wouldn't be accepted in any court room in America. Maybe we should be questioning whether your brain is a non rational mindless accident or not.
1) A God creating the universe does not show evidence for the God of Abraham. 2) The Higgs Boson particle, when found, will explain why there is something instead of nothing. 3) Fine tuning of the universe does not offer evidence for the God of Abraham. 4) Oh my, you explain away all of science by claiming it comes from a non rational mindless accident? Shame on you Mr. man was created by mud. 5) Moral values are relative and change in different times and places. ( PART 1)
VERY IMPORTANT: The "Bible cosmology" does certainly NOT fit the scientific facts: The universe were NOT created in 7 days, the earth is NOT as old as the universe and especially not around 6000 years old.
@OMFJukilledkenny, why, then, do adults continue to believe in Him all around the world? Why did this video provide evidence for God's existence? Surely, God and Santa Claus are very different.
Or... you could just accept that you cannot understand everything. :) This is basically saying "don't know how or why? God did it."
Some of these points will be invalid soon as so many other things, science is killing god, finally. Maybe we can do something actually productive soon instead.
Does the term "God" have a satisfactory meaning? There seems to be as many meanings as there are people who claim to know it. So the argument amounts to the following:
It's anyone's guess what god is. God explains the universe. Therefore, it's anyone's guess what explains the universe.
In my view, God is not the creator of mankind, of the universe and so on, rather, he is all good in people, in animals, and in any living things. God is the good, and then the Devil is all bad.
well its all a matter of faith you can choose not to or you can choose to believe "for we will walk by faith and not by sight" its all a matter of believing that's all i got to say
Hidden in Our Inspirations and Hidden all over this planet in the Landscaping- God Hid Watermarks and in them He tells things about the past, present and future. I found them and made videos out of some of them. I found the Garden of Eden and I found what happened right before that and it shows pictures of God in them. Please come look and see something really fascinating. God's real and I can prove it. Please help me share this.
@TheArcherGio, why do people in the twenty-first century still believe in writing invented by humans over ten thousand years ago? God has always been as useful as writing in the minds of those who make up society. The five points outlined in this video provide decent reasons for believing in God's existence. Why do you think otherwise?
@MrJesusinuislife there are thousands of religions and thousands of gods created by humans when they were NOT able to explain the world around them. It is silly, with the great progress of science, to still believe in these stories. I think that today people are more inteligent than they show.
@TheArcherGio, yes, science has progressed, but the Christian faith was never meant to be a scientific endeavor. The purpose of the Christian faith is to know the Creator and to progress a further understanding of who He is. The purpose of science is to progress a further understanding of the physical realm. Science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. If that were true, why is it that the scientific discipline first originated from a Christian society?
@TheArcherGio More intelligent? Hardly.., people just have more knowledge, with the majority having stopped acquiring any knowledge at all - instead they choose to rely on someone else's opinion. It's sad, but being "Rational" doesn't mean being intelligent, on the contrary, it means using square definitions of the things that cannot be defined. No, people today are less intelligent, they are just clones living on evrth chewed up for them
@valgez1, I would define chance and coincidence as the occurrence of an event without the provision or guidance of intelligence. As the insider, the statistician can discern the cause of the occurrence by taking into account the relevant information. Now, how do you know that you are the insider and that I am outsider who doesn’t know the cause of the human mind? Are you agnostic? If you think you are the insider, why? What relevant information am I lacking as an outsider?
@MrJesusinuislife Defining one term leads to the need to define another one - what do you mean by guidance or intelligence? Whatever the event is you can analyze its cause and the outcome - so where is chance? The statisticians are not able to discern the cause of large events - only a bit of relevant info. Example - Stock Exchange. I don't say I am an insider or outsider, but I am much closer to my own mind than anybody else :-))
@valgez1 I don't know about you, your age or your country but I have thought many times about god and i think that the answer is so clear. I am really wondering why do you believe in god and why is it so important. I can live without a god. Have you ever thought the "possibility" your life to be a lie???
@valgez1 Oh really? Well I am not the one who believe in lies. My life isn't a lie because noone tells me what to believe. you are just continuing the madness. you need to clear your mind... you are so confused. And I feel sorry for you.... Keep beliening in your god...
@TheArcherGio Yes, Really :-) You are the one who believes in lies. My life is not a lie, because nobody tells me what to believe in. You are just continuing your squareness and primitiveness at their tops. You need to clear your mind of all the dogmas you are fed ... you are very confused, but the biggest problem you have is your sophomoric fear and hatred of the unknown. I DO NOT feel sorry for you, for why should I ? Keep being who you are :-))
@TheArcherGio HAHA!! Good for you that you find me funny. I used to find the atheistic madness funny too, but it's not funny anymore, just shallow. I am not blind, but YOU are blind. So, if you are going to have or already have children, please, DO NOT pass to them all of your stupidity and squareness - :-))
@TheArcherGio I don't believe in Heaven and Hell, but I believe in accountability. You are going to tell your children The Truth ??? Wow, you are no way different from the fundamentalists :-) You mean you know The Truth ?! Then, Congratulations !!! You are God !!! The only thing left is to prove that You exist - than we'll have the history old dilemma solved. So, do you exist ?
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@TheArcherGio, if the universe's expansion strength were altered by one part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion, the universe would have either collapsed upon itself or the stars would have never formed. You may not need God to continue breathing air anymore than a computer needs to the programmer to continue processing information. However, perhaps you needed God to exist in the first place to exist just as a computer needed its designer to exist in the first place to exist.
@MrJesusinuislife don't try to "fit" your god in our world. when will you understand that religions are not real? They are created by humans! It s so clear... One last question:
Why don't you believe in Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Ra or any of the thousands of gods people have made???? Why do you believe in this particular god????? Is it maybe because you were brought up as a child like this?? You had never the opportunity to choose... You just believe in this madness. Congratulations
@TheArcherGio, I’m not here to fit my God into anything, buddy; that would be silly. I believe in Jesus because there is significant evidence that he rose from the dead. The majority of historians concur to the following five facts: (1) Jesus was crucified and died as a result; (2) the disciples believed that Jesus appeared to them afterward; (3) the former foe, Paul, believed that Jesus appeared to him; (4) James believed that Jesus appeared to him as well; (5) finally, the tomb was empty.
@MrJesusinuislife Do you hear yourself? The "facts" you provide are coming from a book made from hearsay. Why should I or anyone believe these "facts" written in a book that can't even verify the gospels authors? (check your bibles foot notes for gospel authorship) "Paul believes Jesus appeared to him" Which time, when Paul claims he saw Jesus after he rose from the dead or when he had his vision that can't be verified by anyone but by Paul himself?
@metalsusa1, that’s an intriguing question and I honor it. Paul explicity states in his letter to the Corinthians that Jesus appeared to him and even skeptical historians agree that we can trace the information within two years of Christ’s death, which is why the majority the scholars lend it credibility. I’m not denying Paul’s experience on his way to Damascus, but it is hard to believe that a man who once craved the blood of Christians would become one and die as one, yet was really a lair.
@MrJesusinuislife Paul writes an intriguing sentence while he claims 500 witnesses saw Jesus after he was risen, Paul claims Jesus appeared to him as well. (1 Corinthians 15:8).
This is a strange claim to make by a man who years after the ascension persecuted Christians with a passion (Paul's authorship is dated to 50 A.D. )
@metalsusa1, interesting observation, my friend. However, I'm only arguing on the basis of the five minimal facts agreed upon by the majority of historians, but I'll be honest as a believer in Christ and confess that I believe in the five-hundred witnesses. Yet, again, one must explain the five minimal facts that the majority of ancient historians agree on. It is difficult to explain the five aforementioned facts apart from the resurrection of Jesus.
@MrJesusinuislife Who were these 500 nameless faceless witnesses? Where are their testimonies? If I told you I knew 500 witnesses who saw a landing U.F.O. Would you not want to know their story, who were they, are they creditable? And what if I said no more about it and just let it go.
Matthew 27:52-53 maybe the most incredible claims made in the New Testament. Read it for yourself and tell me what you think? Who are the witnesses and where are their stories. HINT: Walking zombies seen by many.
@metalsusa1, although that is my position, that is not my argument for the resurrection of Jesus, buddy. You see, the only evidences that comprise my case for the resurrection of Jesus are the ones agreed upon by majority of ancient historians. But I admit that it is hard to swallow the story of men walking out the grave supernaturally. Remember, though, you have not countered my arguments, namely, the five minimal facts that even skeptical scholars acquiesce to. Keep it simple, man.
@metalsusa1, the five minimal facts are best looked upon as a singel unit. For instance, the empty tomb is not really evidence in itself, but merely reinforces the conclusion that Jesus rose from the dead. Here are the five facts of antiquity: (1) Jesus was crucified and died as a result; (2) the disciples believed that Jesus appeared them; (3) Paul, the former enemy, believed that Jesus appeared to him; (4) James, Jesus’ brother, believed Jesus appeared to him; (5) the tomb was empty.
@MrJesusinuislife First off let me say my answers are as I see them and I don't expect to change your mind here today.
The gospels have a couple problems right off the bat. 1) The authors of the gospels are unknown to scholars. We simple don't know who wrote them. 2) The earliest book of the gospels was written some time around 65-70 A.D. We know this because of the mentioning of the destruction of the temple by the Romans in Mark. We also know Matthew and Luke borrow a lot from Mark. (PART 1)
@metalsusa1, oh, yes. The authors of the gospels are anonymous. However, we should be careful not to attack one another’s beliefs; rather, we should focus on the arguments that we’ve set on the table. If I were using arguments that were dependant on the divine inspiration or even the sheer trustworthiness of the New Testament writings, then surely I would be guilty of having broken my promise to rely solely on the facts agreed upon by the majority of contemporary historians.
@MrJesusinuislife (cont) break the immutable laws governing the universe. In the modern day or at any time I do not know of a single verifiable example. Miracles are claimed but I think there taken on faith.
Btw: the big bang-theory is a theory, NOT a fact. We couldn't possibly know for sure what actually happend milions of years ago. It's just the most accepted theory, there are good reasons to believe in this theory, but you don't have to recognize it as a fact. Personally I believe in the eternal existence of the universe. Butthe theory that universe came from nothing is more reasonable as the belief that a wizard did it. Because: Where did the wizard came from? From nothing? Same problem again.
sceptiquele 23 hours ago
The God in the BIBLE? Even if all this nonsense would prove the existence for a (!) god, it doesn't proof the existence of this particular God in the bible (this angry old man, who actually hates us all and don't want us to have gay sex).
sceptiquele 23 hours ago
"What people perceive as real, true, right, valuable and meaningful is dramatically influenced by their view of whether God is real or not." Ok, he already lost me at this point.
sceptiquele 23 hours ago
There is no porn of this so called god so it can´t exist
rule 34 ftw
d3m0n1cRyan 3 days ago 2
The last 2 so called "reasons" aren't even scientific. And the meta-theologician takes things back even further than the theologician and asks "Who created god? or why was god, a seemingly more complex being than the universe there to begin with?"
Robadubify 4 days ago
It's funny how that people hate on something they no nothing about because if they did they would stop slandering God. But when judgement day comes I only hope they have repented. Trust me I've seen and experienced things in God hahaha oh if y'all only new how real God is but I guess people like yall it's well you can't make someone do something they don't want to do or see.
JesusismyGod1000 6 days ago
@Zuumish #1 - the bible has been translated multiple times, so it's possible there was a slight error or mistranslation. #2 - If God has the power to create life and the world, then he has the power to bend the rules of life as he chooses.
TheDBZisepic 1 week ago
Proof god doesnt exist :
Think about it : in the third day god created the earth , the water and the plants
and in the fourth day , he created the sun and moon... how could the plants and water exist without sun ?
Zuumish 1 week ago
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Zuumish 1 week ago
The materialist tries to convince himself of a world that exists in and of itself, eternally and without cause. However, we cannot believe in something that has neither beginning nor cause. The theologian takes matters one step further back by saying that God created the world.
Herbert Spencer
1tabligh 1 week ago
@1tabligh A quote illogical as much as it is obselete, as science has establishesd that the physical universe is not eternal, but that it began a finite amount of time ago. An atheistic materialism has become, at this point, nothing but a denial of reality - as you cannot deny a cause for that which is temporal i.e. the universe. God is and must be that cause, regardless of who may happen to agree or disagree.
RaizeMusic 6 days ago
@RaizeMusic A quote illogical as much
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Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering
1tabligh 6 days ago
@RaizeMusic of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to
1tabligh 6 days ago
believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 6 days ago
*GOD
habitz727727 1 week ago
Dude ur an idiot detectives and lawyers payed off dont compare hoe to that
habitz727727 1 week ago
Bigbuddah2012 I'm guessing you failed Science you dumb shit considering you don't know shit about how stuff works. I bet you can't explain why it rains either. And don't say it's God pissing...
runescp0wn123 1 week ago
If god isnt real then why do monkeys animals and fowl beast run the earth and kill without feeling and humans can kill and feel guilt? If god isnt real then what gave me the audacity to search up this video? If god isnt real then why can man who rapes end up 10 years later helping communities. Instead of rotting in prison. And why is the prison there? Its not wrong to kill if theres no god.
Bigbuddah2011 1 week ago
@ghm107 lol i don't think god needs to do that. And he will come down and show himself. When revelations unfolds you will be the first to take the mark because of your argumentative ways. God loves you turn back to the lord before its too late. -3 if god isn't real then why do atheist seem to by every way try to prove him wrong but never succeed? If god isn't real then why do i love others? And not simply want them for sex? If god isn't real then why do humans have an aesthetic taste for things
Bigbuddah2011 1 week ago
1 no evidence, gaps in knowledge do not justify god. 2. That's just they way things are and it's subjective no such evidence for god here. 3 That can be explained by evolution. An unethical race that went around killing each other wouldn't survive and therefore doesn't exist. 4 Once again evolution can explain. While people are generally moral we are still sometimes compelled to do certain things, and genetic variation can account for some forms of insanity. Man is no more god like than any ani
kyekire 1 week ago
The problem with atheist is that most of them think they are so smart yet they don't realise that most of scientific claims made about the universe are theories that need to be researched farther so we cannot deny gods existence as much as we we would support it
watermelonking9001 2 weeks ago
@watermelonking9001 the burden of proof always belongs to the one who claims, ALWAYS.
XxFATfishxX 1 week ago
I'm a Celstian. Princess Celestia and Princess Luna created the universe. But of course, you can't meet her because she lives in Canterlot, Equestria and I don't know where that is.
Z6D4C4 2 weeks ago
I like the way this video is presented though. It's the most reasonable Christian vid I've seen so far.
SparkyApricot 2 weeks ago
If god does exist and he is this great being, then why can't he come to earth and prove his existence? Hopefully some religious people have read this comment and thought about it.
ghm107 2 weeks ago 2
@ghm107 Nice thought, however most religious people seem to be content with seeing Jesus's face burnt into a piece of toast. Sadly enough, this is all the 'proof' they need. -.-
SparkyApricot 2 weeks ago
@SparkyApricot I get bad test scores at school, but I know I'm clever because I'm atheist. Religious people are all fucking stupid
ghm107 2 weeks ago
@ghm107 The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
@1tabligh well that didn't answer my question, did it?
ghm107 2 weeks ago
@ghm107 Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 2 weeks ago
Im willing to call a False dichotomy on this video. _
There are more useless and quite harmful things in the universe that can verywell destroy life. Also extending the biblical time line to fit that of the scientific timeline is for the sake of pseudo accuracy is questionable...
Manguneshane 2 weeks ago
if god exists he saw beyonce at burger king
ungredda4 2 weeks ago
the truth is - the only way you can justify belief in god is through 'faith (the deliberate suspension of reaon)' - this is the key tennant of any religion.
without faith any religion collapses - it opens the question of 'how long can religion survive in the 'age of reason'?'
alex29443 2 weeks ago
4) evolution stands up to this test as well - it is to the advantage of a tribe for its members to be very creative in coming up with new ideas for technology. it is also to their advantage for them to be exclusive, ie to reject other cultures, this is simply a hangover from man animal past
5) the claims of jesus are made in the bible and backed by the bible - this is a circular argument, many people wanted him to be the messiah - these same people wrote the bible
alex29443 2 weeks ago
1) no-one claims there was 'nothing' before the big bang - just that its hard to know what caused it - god has no part.
2) the 'order' in the universe is the result of a random set of constants - different constants could easily lead to different life
3) ethical values arise from our need to co-operate as a species - evolution explains it nicely - people who know instinctively what is good for society have an advantage, the bible is immoral - stonings seem to be a regular fixture in it.
alex29443 2 weeks ago
@TheHammerHead98
Followers of Christ can not be spoken for by certain people it's not a religion its a relationship with God I am not bashing any religious views but every scientist that was ever great admitted to a divine creator of all things. And if the "Big Bang Theory" was matter randomly came together and created our complex universe where did the matter come from.
boyslikegirlsfreak13 2 weeks ago
God created the heavens, and one day God shall roll it up like a scroll rolled up for books.
shanwan321 3 weeks ago
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I don't know if God exists or not, but my definition of God would be the Sun herself, as all things in this world, right from plants to the most tiny chemical reactions, from petroleum to human beings, is possible only in the presence of our beautiful star. Without her, we would perish. I don't believe in religion, because every individual has varying opinions on it. Why, there are so many religions in the world. Which one do we believe? Nature is "God" and Science and Nature go hand in hand.
zwinzstarr 3 weeks ago
i belive that flying unicorns came one day.. they were created out of nothing and had magical powers.. seriously i think that , they created the universe and all the human beings. and their friend the muffin helpt them.. i mean com'on, you havent any proof that it isnt true, there for it must be true right? i should write a book about this muffin.. brb.
cenmuratii 3 weeks ago
There is more to Catholicism than you guys really think.
Marinedude2 3 weeks ago
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canipbanana 3 weeks ago
I don't care what some people might say and what bullshit reasons they'll throw at me, I'm still gonna stay with my beliefs
eskimodude812 3 weeks ago
@eskimodude812 I say you have guts my friend.
Marinedude2 3 weeks ago
die of starvation (continuation of below comment)
TheHammerhead98 3 weeks ago
In the bible god openely accepts and encourages slavery, bigotry, racism, sexism, torture, murder. And yet these days everyone knows all these things are wrong, and christians choose to ignore and pretend that these parts of the bible dont exist. The vatican is suspected to have billions and billions in gold in the US Federal Reserve and yet the bible says that all faithfull followers give up their money to the poor, yet we see the pope dress himself in silk and velvet whilst people die of star
TheHammerhead98 3 weeks ago
Tell me, if morals are not invented, why is slavery wrong?
Epicuser123123 3 weeks ago
Im gonna define two things for you today.
Superstition - Irrational belief in the influence of the supernatural or chance on human affairs.
Key word being IRRATIONAL
Delusion - A fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.
Key words being FALSE BELIEF.
TheHammerhead98 3 weeks ago
posting on a lightsaber like bar video
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JezusSlave 4 weeks ago
God is Morgan Freeman, Steve Carell is Noah... Your arguments are god damn invalid! Excuse my language Mr. Freeman..
SovietTricycle 4 weeks ago 2
This was a great video for the existence of God; I already knew most of this, but the video made it very easy and clear to follow. Glory to God in the highest!
ximrodriguezx 1 month ago
@ximrodriguezx "Peace to his people on earth of good will".
bheadh 3 weeks ago
That's false. I love god and I know I'm going to heaven. I can't really explain it much better than this. When I accepted him, I felt like a mysterious gap had been filled in my life. Ever since I've been joyful about how god gave me a chance to live with him.
GottistmeinFels 1 month ago 2
God exists only people that fear that they will end up in hell dare to argue about the existence of GOD!
RMSUkraine 1 month ago
K big bang theory:
What r the chances of a little itty bitty molecule exploding and creating this whole large universe.
Evolution:
How come u never see evolution still happening today but u see creation everyday so explain Tht to me and don't say same type of bird with a longer or shorter beak. Well here's a thought maybe two different birds got together mated and had offspring and the outcome is a different type of bird that looks more like one of the parents.
So if u want to show me some
Crazziesrhere 1 month ago
@Crazziesrhere The Big Bang was not an "explosion" or a "creation" event. It was the expansion of space and the energy and matter within it to fill that space. The universe as we know it was produced from a gradual condensation and cooling of that matter and energy.
Evolution happens to this day, at least as far as evolutionary biologists understand it. It could be that you haven't been properly taught what evolution is. If you're interested in learning, I'll be glad to share.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
If I accept the fact that God exists, i have to take responsiblity for my sin. People suppress there guilt by saying there is no God. The moment you tell yourself God exists you will need to deal with your sin.
konahi90 1 month ago
God always existed. He said "I'm the alpha and the omega" beginning and end. You can't say he didn't with any kind of reasoning behind whatever you say because no one can even fathom how he works. He invented more dimensions than the human mind can comprehend. You can't prove he doesn't exist.
GottistmeinFels 1 month ago
@GottistmeinFels To say that one "can't prove that god doesn't exist" is an entirely useless statement because there are many ideas that cannot be disproven and that share a lack of evidence with the idea of god's existence. It is like me saying that you cannot disprove the existence of Nessie or Bigfoot. It may be possible that they exist, but we have no reason to think that they do without solid evidence.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
The bible wasn't written by man it was written by god THROUGH man. The bible can't be wrong because man never influenced it. Therefore it is all true. And if you die and go to nothing how do you explain near death experiences then. Not one person who was brought back to life said "I went to nothing then I came back"
GottistmeinFels 1 month ago
@GottistmeinFels You have no evidence that the Bible was not influenced by men. You also have nothing to support the claim that it is "all true" even if it were inspired by a deity or similar transcendental being. Near death experiences have a strong tendency to reflect the expectations and beliefs of those who experience them; e.g. Christians experience their perception of a Christian afterlife, Muslims to Islamic afterlife, Hindus a Hindu afterlife, etc. It's probably mental.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
sod it !! i was with it till the bible was mentioned
if your going to attempt to hang your moral hat on the bible its over!
if your capable of thinking hard enough to put the first part of this video together then drift into beliving the bible is a good source of moral infomation then i fear you are more lost than your typical sychophantic hell peddling self absorbed prostitute to salvation
next :)
Mark777X 1 month ago
gods not real sorry to burst your bubble. the reason so many people believe because they are influenced by the rest of the world, which is also brainwashed, that god is real and all this blahblahblah, the bible is JUST a book, written by man. there is no heaven or hell, when your dead it will be just like it was before you were born, your NOTHING, but also people believe in god if they have loved ones dead, its easier to deal with death thinking theyre in a better place
Frozzify 1 month ago
@Frozzify What a sad life you have. Your life may mean NOTHING to you, mine means alot more than NOTHING. In your twisted veiw, the moral law must mean NOTHING then. Why don't we all go out and start killing each other because it's all for NOTHING meaning NOTHING, going NOWHERE. If life is meaningless, then rape, murder and other horrific crimes really mean NOTHING and should be promoted because we're all meaningless life forms going NOWHERE for NO REASON. "There is no heaven or hell" Good luck.
bheadh 1 month ago
@bheadh Nihilistic atheists rarely argue that there is no such thing as meaning, but rather that all meanings are subjective and what we deem to be acceptable, good, bad, significant, etc. are in the eye of the beholder.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr So, in this logic, if the "beholder" in his "eye" thinks it's OK to murder, then...go ahead...it means nothing. This logic is demented and defenceless.
bheadh 3 weeks ago
@bheadh Did I say that I would permit such a thing? Did you say that you would? Of course not. Neither of us would like such a thing, therefore we should strive to prevent it. What we _should_ do is up to us. As it happens, you and I- and most people, incidentally- happen to share values of good and bad, right and wrong, as per our preference and our conditioning. It is these values that we attempt to uphold in society. We do not freely permit others to cause harm.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr The "values" you're talking about have been around for 1000s of years. They're called :Judeo-Christian "values". The world has had it's Godless governments before, they're called COMMUNIST. Millions have been killed as a result of THEIR "values"...and they don't "value" much, especially human life. Like it said in the video here, quoting Dostoevski, "If there is no God, then everything is permissible".
bheadh 3 weeks ago
@bheadh You cannot conflate tyrannical governments with the people over whom they preside. I submit to you that most people by nature prefer a world where they don't constantly have to fight, backstab, and push each other out of the way to go on living. This, and empathy, not the belief in God, is the beginning of decency toward others (or toward the abuse of power, as seen in the governments you cite). "Permissible" was to Stalin a different opinion than a man he sent to the Gulag.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr "You cannot conflate..." You most certainly can! How do you think the communists came to power in the first place? They had SUPPORT from the people they hoodwinked after they took over power. Man has been under "tyranical governments" since the dawn of history. A few a the top have ALWAYS had the "power". Whether in a democracy or a communist dictatorship. Yes, people would love to live in a utopian world, we been trying to get there for, how long now?...Empathy doesn't stop killers
bheadh 3 weeks ago
@bheadh "from the people they hoodwinked" ...And here you ADMIT that the people who were necessary for these regimes to come to power were tricked, misled to believe that the governments they put in place would uphold the very values for which they fought. What they desired was very different from what they were given. The regime and the people are not the same thing.
But I digress. The lack of an objective morality is a justification for evil only in the minds of those who commit it.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@Frozzify ...brainwashed, that god is real and all this blahblahblah,...
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The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Extrapolation, maybe? Reasonable inferences made from consistent observations?
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh The laws, supposing them to have an origin and not BE the origin, would not arise from the matter in any case- they govern that matter, the universe's energy, and the evolution of the universe. The only reason we suppose any different is because we ourselves are an intelligent, self-aware process.
If you mean to argue that a naturalistic explanation could never account for the precision of these laws, then I challenge you to demonstrate that this is so.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Is it at all possible that the cells of the body should learn their functions, pursue their aim in a precise and orderly fashion, and crystallize so miraculously in the world of being, without there being a conscious and powerful being to instruct them?
Is it not rather the case that phenomena such as these prove and demonstrate, with the utmost emphasis, the need for a plan, a design, a guiding hand inspired by conscious will?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh One has to take a step back and remember that nature is not a gentle force when considering what forged biological life as we know it. I agree with you that there is "design" - what we disagree on was its source. Design was by elimination, by natural selection. The reason everything works as well as it does is simply because it would cease to exist if it didn't work. Less miraculous, perhaps, but I see no reason to jump to the conclusion of a divine intelligence.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Medicine has spent only millennia deconstructing what took billions of years to put together. "Mere nature," as you put it, deserves more credit!
I will grant that an intelligent designer seems intuitive. Wouldn't it follow that something kind of like us- designers by nature- designed us, in all our complexity? But there's what I'm getting at- we are an extension of nature's design, aware of and accelerated in our selections.
Do you know the molecular basis of evolution?
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Again, it's tempting to agree with the intuitive answer. But for me, if all we're going on is induction (humans intelligently design complexity, ergo humans' complexity was intelligently designed) without direct evidence and the question of who designed the designer remains unanswered, I find it best not to leap to that conclusion.
Meanwhile, we can see for ourselves the means by which nature can build complexity, no brain required.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh What I've been saying is that faith is not required to see for oneself the way in which nature could (again, I haven't been around millions of years, so I can't say for sure) increase biological complexity sans any sort of intelligent guidance.
It is not to matter, but to the guidance of immutable physical laws that govern all matter that scientists credit the evolution of life and the universe.
Who designed the designer?
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh I do not know what the source of natural laws is. It might be unknowable. There might not even be a source and the laws exist unto themselves. Whether one is a scientist or a layman, it is fine to be of the belief that gods might have been the source of natural law, but that belief should not be represented as a fact or even as the most reasonable of all possibilities, as I so often see baldly asserted by many theists.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
@1tabligh Concerning causality, one needn't posit an origin for the first cause because it by definition is uncaused. It has not been demonstrated that matter and energy have sources. We have only clues that they were once pressed together in an infinitesimally small sphere and expanded outward to become reality as we know it. Neither gods nor the universe itself require causes if they are said to be the first.
StormZephyr 3 weeks ago
@StormZephyr This means that the atheists and the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 weeks ago
How did God become existent? Anyone? Because it seems a bit silly to talk about how much more sense God creating the universe makes than atheists theories on the big bang when God seems to have originated similarly.
THELeftieNorthernman 1 month ago 2
I hate god. I know he exists but he's a cunt. He doesn't condone my sexuality
Areyousureok 1 month ago
When the Sun rises above the horizon to take its place in the sky, shedding its warmth on the world. From the rushing rivers & calm streams to the mighty sea. The wind rolling over the valleys carrying the leaves from the trees. The first breath of a newborn. In the generosity, goodwill and faith that people show each other. I can feel it in my heart, the glory of god. It is a feeling of happiness,joy, the spirit of life, it flows through me, and I know god lives in my heart.
UchihaGamer111 1 month ago
I don't need anyone to prove anything to me. I'm not going to be one of those people that say "OH you're going to hell!". But I will say anyone who truly lets God in they're heart, they know god is real. I can't explain it, most of you won't understand or believe me and I can't prove it. Because I can't show the feeling I can feel in my heart and soul when in the presence of his glory. And when I say the presence of his glory, I don't mean just at Church.
UchihaGamer111 1 month ago
Why have I written all this, one might wonder? Why would someone who doesn't believe this stuff spend so much time debunking it? It's because I believe in intellectual honesty. I am fine with people believing in Christianity, but they must never pretend to know for a fact- without compelling, objective evidence or reasoning- that their beliefs are true. I say both to Christians and skeptics: This video has not presented compelling, objective evidence or reasoning in support of Christianity.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
Once again, all of these claims to martyrdom- of postcrucifixion appearances of Jesus- of an empty tomb- ALL COME THROUGH CHRISTIAN TRADITION OR WRITING. This, too, is not a coincidence - Either it's true, or we had ancient people making extraordinary superstitious claims. This could be for any number of reasons, the likes of which we can do nothing but speculate on.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
The reason I say there is no evidence is because the only evidence of Jesus himself available to us is through people that claimed that he worked miracles, that his "enemies did not doubt his miraculous claims," that he had a "matchless moral character" - We have no modern examples of miracle workers or morally perfect people; why should we believe the account of Jesus according to (for example) John?
StormZephyr 1 month ago
#5, again, is post-diction- but worse, the support involves a number of hollow claims that themselves are not supported by any evidence.
First, the prophecies. Concerning anyone claiming to be the Messiah (or writing about a person they claim to be the Messiah), they would need only study the necessary prophecies and use their pen to make their character fulfill the necessary details.
Second, there is no actual evidence of him working any miracles whatsoever.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
#4 is both another argument from ignorance and an example of "post-diction." Just because we do not know the origins of human nature is NOT a reason to jump to a canned, unsupported explanation. Now, human nature is difficult to explain, but it is very easy to observe. Any writer could chalk the faults of humanity up to any one thing and the accomplishments of humanity to another, but without evidence tying them together, they are just blowing smoke, as you have so masterfully done here.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
You go on to make the typical low-level apologetics mistake of claiming that "Everything is permissible without moral objectivity." Permissible to WHOM, exactly, in societies that make agreements on what they do and do not find acceptable within themselves? Certainly, atrocities like the holocaust are found to be objectionable to most of us, but this cannot be owed to any objective moral sense any more than the perpetrators' committing of it could be owed to one.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
In #3, you do not make a compelling cause for the existence of any objective moral values. In fact, you shoot yourself in the foot right after the intro slide by saying that people are "generally intuitively cognizant of their moral obligations." What does this say to the people who are not "aware" of YOUR sense of morality? About societies that have DIFFERENT sets of ethical values? There is not moral objectivity - There is only societal influence and biological preference.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
This is why, among other things, that your straw man of life being a "non-rational, mindless accident" is not only wrong, but also underestimates the power of what a "mindless" selection process is capable of. "Mindful" design principles, in fact, coincide with those of "mindless" design principles- If it doesn't work, toss it- If it does, keep it. Simple.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
Your "reason #2" is so laden with logical gaffes that it's difficult to tease everything out.
"Allowing" for human life is hardly the same as "ensuring the emergence of human life." The universe is such an enormously hostile place that it follows that any conscious survivors would by definition only arise in the infinitesimally few compatible places in the universe. It isn't a "chance" or "coincidence" that this happened at all- It's the product of natural selection!
StormZephyr 1 month ago
...than other hypothetical gods to account for ex nihilo appearance of the universe, supposing it to be the case.
You also employ an argument from ignorance here, asking the too-oft repeated "how do you explain x or y without god" question. There can be explanations to phenomenon we could not begin to fathom. You cannot assume that any one explanation is more reasonable than another without any relevant facts to support your particular position. "God," then, is an arbitrary explanation.
StormZephyr 1 month ago
"All matter, energy, time and space came into existence... out of nothing."
You have zero evidence for this statement. You are using it fallaciously to support yet another incarnation of the Kalam cosmological argument. Big Bang cosmology explains the evolution of the universe from the singularity. It does not propose any origin at all for this singularity. We have no reason whatsoever to believe that the Big Bang arose ex nihilo.
You also do not explain why Biblegod is more adequate...
StormZephyr 1 month ago
5 reasons there is no god: Prayers are never met, somehow there is a space under the earth with zombies being tortured, the bible's author was never found and never will be, god says he loves all of us when other books say he hates people like the gays, so much bigotry to it that you can't tell anything from it
OwlsCantBeFooled 1 month ago
this is a very well made video. but i, how can i say (write) it, ehm, all the proof in this video is taken from the bible (which is not historical accurate) which is NOT a source of evidence. if this video had some form of actual evidence, and were as good made, it COULD turn atheist to christ.
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MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife "Why would God call an evil heart to His purpose?
Apparently (I don't know the verse) God uses the "non elect" for his purposes according to the Bible. The "non elect" will have the Law fulfilled on them so God doesn't send them to hell they send themselves, again according to the Bible.
Check out Revelations 21:8. It explains how unbelievers are going to the lake of fire, the second death.
Imagine an otherwise good person who is an unbeliever burning forever. Can you?
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Unbelievers are perfect candidates for going to hell. You see ALL unrepentant sinners go to hell and who is an example of that? A non believer who because he doesn't believe, doesn't feel the need to repent. So under Gods command unbelievers go to hell, even if they lead an exemplary life.
The ironic bit is that mass murderers, serial rapist, and generally very bad people who sincerely repent on their death bed could actually be reunited with their victims in heaven. NO JOKE.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@Jokeljoshua Are you mentally impaired?
KingLeonidaz 1 month ago
God exist. There are things in the universe nobody can explain cause its GOD ! After all thet supernova explosion shit happend thet the planet was formed, where did all the other things come from ? Space ? Aliens ? Other humans ? Hell no ! GOD ! Thats the answer !
Jokeljoshua 1 month ago
@Jokeljoshua Can't tell if being serious, or just a dumbass.
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Supergear100 1 month ago
Your video is just another example of some Christians trying to crow bar the scriptures into matching scientific discovery. So according to Genesis plants existed before the sun. Really? I guess photosynthesis is just plan wrong. I guess there was a talking snake, silly me for thinking otherwise. According to you scientists rely on chance and coincidence to explain everything when we have the "reliable" bible to upend peer reviewed verifiable evidence.
Those stupid scientists are going to hell.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
(Continued) 6) Your evidence for Jesus is laughable. So the creator of the universe in the flesh thinks demons cause mental illness? Jesus was "witnessed" ascending by 500 people. Really, who were they. where are their testimonies?
Your video is stupefying made with baseless assertions, hearsay that wouldn't be accepted in any court room in America. Maybe we should be questioning whether your brain is a non rational mindless accident or not.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
1) A God creating the universe does not show evidence for the God of Abraham. 2) The Higgs Boson particle, when found, will explain why there is something instead of nothing. 3) Fine tuning of the universe does not offer evidence for the God of Abraham. 4) Oh my, you explain away all of science by claiming it comes from a non rational mindless accident? Shame on you Mr. man was created by mud. 5) Moral values are relative and change in different times and places. ( PART 1)
metalsusa1 1 month ago
VERY IMPORTANT: The "Bible cosmology" does certainly NOT fit the scientific facts: The universe were NOT created in 7 days, the earth is NOT as old as the universe and especially not around 6000 years old.
wazzupimgod 1 month ago
@wazzupimgod, who said that? You're the only one who said that, along with Young Earth Creationists who gain publicity through loud talks.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
God is just like santa claus
OMFJukilledkenny 1 month ago
@OMFJukilledkenny, why, then, do adults continue to believe in Him all around the world? Why did this video provide evidence for God's existence? Surely, God and Santa Claus are very different.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
Or... you could just accept that you cannot understand everything. :) This is basically saying "don't know how or why? God did it."
Some of these points will be invalid soon as so many other things, science is killing god, finally. Maybe we can do something actually productive soon instead.
Gefrce 1 month ago
Does the term "God" have a satisfactory meaning? There seems to be as many meanings as there are people who claim to know it. So the argument amounts to the following:
It's anyone's guess what god is. God explains the universe. Therefore, it's anyone's guess what explains the universe.
Does this offer progress? I think not.
myshkinyt 1 month ago
In my view, God is not the creator of mankind, of the universe and so on, rather, he is all good in people, in animals, and in any living things. God is the good, and then the Devil is all bad.
kaldixz 1 month ago
well its all a matter of faith you can choose not to or you can choose to believe "for we will walk by faith and not by sight" its all a matter of believing that's all i got to say
beastnumber85 1 month ago
I feel so sorry for you...
Andy3381000 1 month ago
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Hidden in Our Inspirations and Hidden all over this planet in the Landscaping- God Hid Watermarks and in them He tells things about the past, present and future. I found them and made videos out of some of them. I found the Garden of Eden and I found what happened right before that and it shows pictures of God in them. Please come look and see something really fascinating. God's real and I can prove it. Please help me share this.
downyourtube 1 month ago
why people of the 21th century believe in gods that were CREATED by people 2000 years ago????????? WHY? GET OVER IT. BELIEVE IN HUMAN!
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
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MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
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@TheArcherGio, why do people in the twenty-first century still believe in writing invented by humans over ten thousand years ago? God has always been as useful as writing in the minds of those who make up society. The five points outlined in this video provide decent reasons for believing in God's existence. Why do you think otherwise?
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife there are thousands of religions and thousands of gods created by humans when they were NOT able to explain the world around them. It is silly, with the great progress of science, to still believe in these stories. I think that today people are more inteligent than they show.
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
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MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio, yes, science has progressed, but the Christian faith was never meant to be a scientific endeavor. The purpose of the Christian faith is to know the Creator and to progress a further understanding of who He is. The purpose of science is to progress a further understanding of the physical realm. Science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. If that were true, why is it that the scientific discipline first originated from a Christian society?
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio More intelligent? Hardly.., people just have more knowledge, with the majority having stopped acquiring any knowledge at all - instead they choose to rely on someone else's opinion. It's sad, but being "Rational" doesn't mean being intelligent, on the contrary, it means using square definitions of the things that cannot be defined. No, people today are less intelligent, they are just clones living on evrth chewed up for them
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1, I would define chance and coincidence as the occurrence of an event without the provision or guidance of intelligence. As the insider, the statistician can discern the cause of the occurrence by taking into account the relevant information. Now, how do you know that you are the insider and that I am outsider who doesn’t know the cause of the human mind? Are you agnostic? If you think you are the insider, why? What relevant information am I lacking as an outsider?
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Defining one term leads to the need to define another one - what do you mean by guidance or intelligence? Whatever the event is you can analyze its cause and the outcome - so where is chance? The statisticians are not able to discern the cause of large events - only a bit of relevant info. Example - Stock Exchange. I don't say I am an insider or outsider, but I am much closer to my own mind than anybody else :-))
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 I don't know about you, your age or your country but I have thought many times about god and i think that the answer is so clear. I am really wondering why do you believe in god and why is it so important. I can live without a god. Have you ever thought the "possibility" your life to be a lie???
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio I think there's a very high possibility of your life to be a lie
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 Oh really? Well I am not the one who believe in lies. My life isn't a lie because noone tells me what to believe. you are just continuing the madness. you need to clear your mind... you are so confused. And I feel sorry for you.... Keep beliening in your god...
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio Yes, Really :-) You are the one who believes in lies. My life is not a lie, because nobody tells me what to believe in. You are just continuing your squareness and primitiveness at their tops. You need to clear your mind of all the dogmas you are fed ... you are very confused, but the biggest problem you have is your sophomoric fear and hatred of the unknown. I DO NOT feel sorry for you, for why should I ? Keep being who you are :-))
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 haha you are so funny. keep being blind. and if you are going to have or already have children, pass to them all of your madness.
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio HAHA!! Good for you that you find me funny. I used to find the atheistic madness funny too, but it's not funny anymore, just shallow. I am not blind, but YOU are blind. So, if you are going to have or already have children, please, DO NOT pass to them all of your stupidity and squareness - :-))
valgez1 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio In other words, your being an "Atheist" explains evrth - it's a mental disease :-)
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 okay, just wait to die to be with your god and let me burn in hell. what a mind!
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio I don't believe in Heaven and Hell, but I believe in accountability. You are going to tell your children The Truth ??? Wow, you are no way different from the fundamentalists :-) You mean you know The Truth ?! Then, Congratulations !!! You are God !!! The only thing left is to prove that You exist - than we'll have the history old dilemma solved. So, do you exist ?
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 I don't know everything, but I know for sure that gods are human creations.
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
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@TheArcherGio I don't know everything, but I know for sure that gods are human creations.
You mean Zeus, Christ, Allah, etc .. ?
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 He´s not saying he knows the truth, retarded.
ratchet524 1 month ago
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@ratchet524 He´s not saying he knows the truth, retarded
Good, then he should cut the crap
valgez1 1 month ago
@valgez1 oh and I will tell my children the truth, not religion stories, myths and miracles...
TheArcherGio 1 month ago
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@TheArcherGio The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 1 month ago
@TheArcherGio, if the universe's expansion strength were altered by one part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion, the universe would have either collapsed upon itself or the stars would have never formed. You may not need God to continue breathing air anymore than a computer needs to the programmer to continue processing information. However, perhaps you needed God to exist in the first place to exist just as a computer needed its designer to exist in the first place to exist.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife don't try to "fit" your god in our world. when will you understand that religions are not real? They are created by humans! It s so clear... One last question:
Why don't you believe in Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Ra or any of the thousands of gods people have made???? Why do you believe in this particular god????? Is it maybe because you were brought up as a child like this?? You had never the opportunity to choose... You just believe in this madness. Congratulations
TheArcherGio 1 month ago 2
@TheArcherGio, I’m not here to fit my God into anything, buddy; that would be silly. I believe in Jesus because there is significant evidence that he rose from the dead. The majority of historians concur to the following five facts: (1) Jesus was crucified and died as a result; (2) the disciples believed that Jesus appeared to them afterward; (3) the former foe, Paul, believed that Jesus appeared to him; (4) James believed that Jesus appeared to him as well; (5) finally, the tomb was empty.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Do you hear yourself? The "facts" you provide are coming from a book made from hearsay. Why should I or anyone believe these "facts" written in a book that can't even verify the gospels authors? (check your bibles foot notes for gospel authorship) "Paul believes Jesus appeared to him" Which time, when Paul claims he saw Jesus after he rose from the dead or when he had his vision that can't be verified by anyone but by Paul himself?
It's a story till proven otherwise.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@metalsusa1, that’s an intriguing question and I honor it. Paul explicity states in his letter to the Corinthians that Jesus appeared to him and even skeptical historians agree that we can trace the information within two years of Christ’s death, which is why the majority the scholars lend it credibility. I’m not denying Paul’s experience on his way to Damascus, but it is hard to believe that a man who once craved the blood of Christians would become one and die as one, yet was really a lair.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Paul writes an intriguing sentence while he claims 500 witnesses saw Jesus after he was risen, Paul claims Jesus appeared to him as well. (1 Corinthians 15:8).
This is a strange claim to make by a man who years after the ascension persecuted Christians with a passion (Paul's authorship is dated to 50 A.D. )
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@metalsusa1, interesting observation, my friend. However, I'm only arguing on the basis of the five minimal facts agreed upon by the majority of historians, but I'll be honest as a believer in Christ and confess that I believe in the five-hundred witnesses. Yet, again, one must explain the five minimal facts that the majority of ancient historians agree on. It is difficult to explain the five aforementioned facts apart from the resurrection of Jesus.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Who were these 500 nameless faceless witnesses? Where are their testimonies? If I told you I knew 500 witnesses who saw a landing U.F.O. Would you not want to know their story, who were they, are they creditable? And what if I said no more about it and just let it go.
Matthew 27:52-53 maybe the most incredible claims made in the New Testament. Read it for yourself and tell me what you think? Who are the witnesses and where are their stories. HINT: Walking zombies seen by many.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@metalsusa1, although that is my position, that is not my argument for the resurrection of Jesus, buddy. You see, the only evidences that comprise my case for the resurrection of Jesus are the ones agreed upon by majority of ancient historians. But I admit that it is hard to swallow the story of men walking out the grave supernaturally. Remember, though, you have not countered my arguments, namely, the five minimal facts that even skeptical scholars acquiesce to. Keep it simple, man.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife Ok, fair enough. Give me one argument at a time.
metalsusa1 1 month ago
@metalsusa1, the five minimal facts are best looked upon as a singel unit. For instance, the empty tomb is not really evidence in itself, but merely reinforces the conclusion that Jesus rose from the dead. Here are the five facts of antiquity: (1) Jesus was crucified and died as a result; (2) the disciples believed that Jesus appeared them; (3) Paul, the former enemy, believed that Jesus appeared to him; (4) James, Jesus’ brother, believed Jesus appeared to him; (5) the tomb was empty.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife First off let me say my answers are as I see them and I don't expect to change your mind here today.
The gospels have a couple problems right off the bat. 1) The authors of the gospels are unknown to scholars. We simple don't know who wrote them. 2) The earliest book of the gospels was written some time around 65-70 A.D. We know this because of the mentioning of the destruction of the temple by the Romans in Mark. We also know Matthew and Luke borrow a lot from Mark. (PART 1)
metalsusa1 1 month ago
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MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@metalsusa1, oh, yes. The authors of the gospels are anonymous. However, we should be careful not to attack one another’s beliefs; rather, we should focus on the arguments that we’ve set on the table. If I were using arguments that were dependant on the divine inspiration or even the sheer trustworthiness of the New Testament writings, then surely I would be guilty of having broken my promise to rely solely on the facts agreed upon by the majority of contemporary historians.
MrJesusinuislife 1 month ago
@MrJesusinuislife (cont) break the immutable laws governing the universe. In the modern day or at any time I do not know of a single verifiable example. Miracles are claimed but I think there taken on faith.
metalsusa1 1 month ago