Why do these tai chi sifu and masters demonstrate thrown people around go learn jujitsu or aikido if thats what you want.. this is just embarrassing to the real taijiquan practitioners
Good stuff! And to all the trolls who say this doesn't work: It does! It works because of the power behind it, not because he uses this or that particular technique! Sure, the attacks could have been more skillful, but still this is much better than 98% of MA demos I have seen!
@TheNoeticStaytru I would root for the kyokushin practitioner, they just have more experience with real fighting. But, if Taiji-ka ( i dunno what they're called) had proper sparring experience... then i would not put the odds on such a power based stagnant art.
Remember there's no such thing as the ultimate fighting style... The martial arts are constantly evolving... what you are doing is fine to preserve an art form but would be reckless to think it's and effective way to defend one self in today's world of mma...
I have a little experience (25yrs. wrestling and martial arts) and I still consider my self always learning... When someone shows me a weak link in my technique I welcome the advice... If it's going to improve my ability to defend myself, I'm all for it...
You and your students work hard at what you do. This must be applauded. However the reality is that 80% of you techniques could not help you fight your way out of a wet paper bag... I'm calling it the way I see it... You don't need me to challenge my theory... just bring your self to the toughest neighborhoods in your area... You wont last more than a few seconds...
there is a cavity on neck, and it can control the pressure of blood in side our body, and when you make pressure on that cavity will make body lower you blood pressure, after that, you blood can't rich to you brain then you lost the control of your body, but I'm not sure the video is about the same thing
Notice that everyone charging at the dude throw both their feet very close to his. It gives him a lot of leverage to put them off balance. I hope people don't fight like this in real life.
the way i see it, this man could hav dealt a finishing blow easily, but this is a demo, it is not meant to show you how to kill or beat them into submission. In general it is a decent vid on some of the basics.
i kan se by the way his action is and the way he does the form, he uses more li energy and good taijist sends his opponet flying he doesnt have to strike more than once. he is fighting more like a kungfuist turned taijiist, that what i see.
You are an idiot IMO. Go back to your fantasy taichi where you think the masters of old were able to survive on the battlefield by throwing people around with their push hands skill. This is a great demo of taichi skill as most opponents will not use soft force as most push hands practitioners are using when showing this. In combat you don't throw your opponent away, instead you control and dispatch them quickly.
..jin is not required to bounce or throw people... and 'he' is not low level Taiji fighting, he might be using low level Taiji fighting, but he cannot be the incantation of Taiji executed in a specific way, further as you have never trained with the man, how can you justify such sweeping generalizations...
It's not supposed to be touch based it is touch based, it's called pressure point or touch point you choice, we did use combat techniques, but the harder we go in the more we get hurt.. check out our other videos for more dynamic apps..
I really like this vid,and the other ones,show's tai chi in a new light(it's real light). I'm studying lau gar kung fu,in brum.I see Sifu Jiang in town sometimes.Thanks for uploading :0)
I must say that is some good looking stuff, I miss training like that. I have looked up more stuff along the lines of Bruce Lee's Tao of Jeet Kun Do. I would love to spar with someone from your way of fighting. But I've gotten lazy and my body has weakened but just the experience I feel would be an interesting one.
Thanks and it would be a pleasure to spar with you, if you are ever in our neck of the woods, come down and pay us a visit we will have fun and I'm certain it would be intersecting learning experience for all concerned:)
I think you have very little skill.You only talk and insult people..U give Taichi very bad name..which is a beautiful art.Could you please put up video of yourself so we could see how great and skillfull you claim you are.I don't think you will I promise you.You hide behind your Teacher.I never hide behind my teacher.
When have I claimed to be grate and skilful, forgive me friend but you lack proper understanding of the English language to make such judgments, further, I have been moved to anger only once whilst answering comments, so I do not anger easily, I have not made judgments upon your character or you skill yet you have done so about me with the slightest provocation..
I love to practise with you..to see your true level of skill.I learn and study taichi for 26 years,yet I try to be humble and I am still student.I learn in Chen village in China.I also reconise your style.You make many challange and use not good language to people..I read all your comment.This character is not the product of Taichi.
Rory U make many accusation against my character with out reading my coment in part1.I make fair coment..when did I call u a joke?..can u prove I said this.I ony make coment by watching video u provide.ur video is clear proof by lack of Taichi being used by students.I also read your many comment to other people..u get angry very easy and you insult to much..you try not use reason.Taichi teach me to control my angre.
Also I should inform you that none of our students are novices, many are in fact experienced and accomplished martial artists, it's simply that the techniques we learned before brakes down when applied to taiji, simply come and try for yourself, challenge the sifu or the students as is your want...
is that your answer to every thing 'violence' i think many would agree its easy to defend against your own students especialy when they are all doing the same move. Is that what your master teaches ''run at your opponent, thats right just run at him like an idiot'' Come on im sure hes good but if thats what they would do in a fight then they are novices
We study martial arts, we are in the business of violence, and what I suggested wasn't particularly violent, merely a means of ascertaining ability, it would simply illustrate to you that there are reasons why the attacks look the way they look, you have no footage of yourself up, you have given no indication as to your own ability, instead you chose to pass comment without considering why it would look the way it looks
part 2: as I have already stated many of us are experienced martial artists in external styles, Lau gar, Eskrima, Muay tai, tae kwon do, among others, what we do works, and works well in ANY situation, all i am doing is affording to you the opportunity to prove that you have the courage of your conviction and are not merely blowing hot air because you feel emboldened by the distance provided by the internet, if you feel this is a harsh judgment you have my sincerest apologies
part 3: but the reality of this situation is; debate resolves nothing, we study a MARTIAL art, the operative word being martial, come try your hand by all means, you may learn something or you may teach us something but come regardless of your intent, for it is that way that things were resolved in china for millennia within the martial world..
A beautiful sentiment, and although it illustrates a truth, for one who prides 'reason' as his name sake you have failed or so it would appear to exercise yours, the proverb is not an answer to the challenge you engendered, nor does it expunge the veracity of my statement...
I did not pass judgment upon you as I recall, it was you who cast aspersions upon our ability and then more grievously upon our motivations, you are a uk resident, the places we train are listed on our website, feel free to 'drop' by at your earliest convenience...
why is not my message not coming on page?..it work on all the other message..I keep trying.I feel someting control this or prevent it.I don't understnd.I not use bad language.just make fair comment..I study taiji in china for 26 years since I am 5 years.
Fair you say? You described all be it badly, what we are doing as a joke, tell me having never trained with you , would it be 'fair' to call you and your sifu a joke, to infer that you have no understanding of Taiji or gung fu?
No it would not be fair for me to say such things, kindly extend us the same curtsy, criticism is fine provided it is based upon the material provided, and are supported by reason, not conjecture..
If you read my part1 you understand my comment.I think ther is problem with web.. why not my message come up..I keep trying to send part1 message.Not work.I am sorry I not intent to make you upset.I thoght you delete my message.
I have not affected the appearance of part one of your post, Kindly refrain from posting baseless judgments on our 'character' or it will result in an argument that you will lose and in the process make you look exceptionally stupid, restrict the scope of your comments to the video, not wild speculation...
....My training for many years is to use all my skill and knowledge I learn against my teacher to prove we learn and that our skill is affectiv. This not good way to learn or show our art of taiji.. people might make joke of taiji. Taiji skill will test taiji skill. I don't meen to hurt feelins, just some good advise. I wish my english to be good so I explane more esily. Good health to you
you are a UK resident yes? what you say is very offensive, it will would require more than mere words to back up such arbitrary statements, you are most welcome to come to a lesson and witness first had that what we not only works but is actual fighting Taiji..
I can see a lot of creativities here. Many talented and gifted people in this group. Most of your comments are insightful and therefore interesting to read. Keep at it!
Do people build structures like the pyramids everyday now? we've progressed as humans haven't we? Does everyone have a hand made terracotta soldier in their living room?.... The Wudang and Chen styles remain today with additional forms alongside the original that's called progression the keeping what you know and adding to it... not defacing it, does too much plastic surgery improve you? When water is it added to milk is it better?
But you have not answered hujin316 's point you have only stated that change is not always good, this does not support your original premise that knowledge is lost and there for a style is diluted, in reality as hujin316 stated we add to our knowledge based from personal experience sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, but to thin that these changes are not two fold is foolish but that is an entirely subjective point,
some knowledge is rendered obsolete while other information is essential to our survival, wisdom is not found in the repetition of derisive theories of better men as you seem content to do, clinging to their dogma as though it were sacrosanct.
You appear to like to argue for the sake of it, you make no cohesive point or argument, you flit from one point to the next ignoring counterpoints and changing the essence of your argument, all well and good, but you accomplish nothing with such tactics. Our little war of words can accomplish equally little, you must decide now whether you poses the 'courage' of your convictions
there are a number of us here who would be more than willing to face you, come test the purity of your style, let us see for ourselves your apparent skill.
you seem to say if you and yours change things that's progression but if others do the same then that's dilution. Why does 1 style have to be better than another, why can't we celebrate what we share? The love of taiji. Respect's what we should afford one another. Debate is interesting but debunking, especially without personal knowledge of what you debunk only brings shame on your own teacher and your teacher deserves better. The best style in the world is the one that suits the student best.
So you're saying your teacher has changed the Wu style and has added to it? If one learns for 10years from a master who had also learnt for 10years but has taught for 50years do you think you know 50 years worth of knowledge?? surely not... do you think that a teacher has taught you everything? There is a big difference between acupuncture strikes and pressure point strikes- UFC has pressure points...when one opposes joints (locks) or gets hit... that's called the exertion of pressure at a point
you are pointlessly arguing semantics here, the name of a technique is irrelevant all that matters is whether or not it can work, that is not to say it will every time only that it will at the right time...
Nicely orchestrated video, I like how the lifeless students do nothing but just run at him as he stands there prepared to receive them. Wu style is one of the furthest and most diluted of Taiji Quan. Its Qigung and Fa'Jing don't compare to the likes of Chen/Yang, Wu's Source. A student can never gain his all his teachers' knowledge/experience (thus dilution) regardless of lineage, when the style has passed so many hands the only thing you should be confident in is your own delusion of grandeur
Ok first I`am not no the video but I am one of he`S students. Now there is know way the video is fake when he dose touch (Preacher) Point it hearts it hearts alot so they/we/anyone tires to get out of the way. Next I am very surprised that you think that knowledge is lost the further you get from the source (you can go the wrong way) but knowledge is added to as time passes your we would still be living in caves scared of fire.
And if your such hot shit, why don't you come and try..." Real masters don't try to jump in to fights, they go out of their way to avoid them....unless you're not implying that.
I did not imply that long would jump into a fight, but once committed to such an action to attain victory you must give no quarter, and while Sifu Long is a master and would in all likelihood ascribe to the axiom you have invoked, I am not and am not bound by such 'wisdom' call it the prerogative of youth, or if you prefer the symptomatic folly of it...
Part 1: Have met our Sifu, ever talked to him no, so how could you possibly know what his attitude is to anything? Are you psychic, do you perhaps poses some other worldly insight into the human condition? No...
Part 2: Well then let's get this sorted... Sifu Long and his society are dedicated to restoration of Taiji as a fighting art, which means that regardless of how you, I or even he feels about it, fighting is necessary, we accept all challenges from all martial arts to illustrate the devastating martial science of Taiji; this is our burden and joy.
"if you such hot shit come and try" :: "a master and would in all likelihood ascribe to the axiom you have invoked". As they are not the same sentence but are different selected ways of speaking. Yes I do believe that learning self defense is beneficial to anyone's health accepting challenges from other martial arts isn't self defense, it's a sport.
And yes over in china where there are no guns maybe they're more then likely to take the challenge, but in America where they carry guns I'd prefer to give them my money with out getting killed.
I tailor my answers in a way which those I am speaking to will be comprehend my point, you seem bright thus I use my natural style, the crass nature of my former statement was an equivocal response to a persistently annoying person who as I recall was essentially staging a almost ceaseless campaign of deformation..
What has been the success rate of your style against such challenges? How many challenges have been undertaken, and have they been to any 'rules'? Just curious as i am a big follower of 'Realistic' fight systems/martial arts and am currently looking into Taiji.
Generally sifu does not stipulate rules.. That's just the way he is, when I first met I went all out to hurt him, it was not cool, I wish someone would have warned me lol, The challenges I've been there for have all ended with the other guys walking away frustrated, because he never try's to hurt the opponent (intentionally) and they usually are going all out to hurt him..
Taiji would be good choice, lot good teachers out there, a lot of bad ones to, internal martial arts if taught properly are ruthless and methodical, just depends on the skill and intention of your teacher, good look finding what you are looking for and if your ever in the are look us up:)
Part 3: what was it you said a real master will do anything to avoid a fight, no this is an erroneous assumption, the only reasons a master would turn down a direct challenge would be if there was a strong probability of failure or more likely if the risk to the other person's life was sufficiently high as they behave in a reckless manor...
Part 4: It sound as to me that you aren't interested in mastery of (now read this twice because it's important) 'MARTIAL ARTS' key word martial, but rather you are more concerned with points of moral philosophy, and while I know the two are in fact reciprocally and inextricably linked you appear not to.
Part 5: Your idea of a master appears from what you have inferred to be some kind of other worldly sage, espousing stoic wisdom from his home in the mountains, one to whom fighting is an abhorrent memory, a faded and much stigmatized recollection of the distant past, am I getting closer?
Part 6: Now here is the kicker are you ready, whether you practice an internal martial art or an external one, a Daoist style or a Buddhist one, you must enjoy fighting to be any good at it, you must also be 100% committed to such an action should you perceive it necessary act, any half measures will result in failure at best and at worst death, distaste for the practice will have equivocal results...
2nd part:As I have/had read and learned from Taiji chu'an/quan. I was taught that it is used only for self defense or demonstrations of how to apply because of its attacks to qi channels and their points. I'm not ignorant to say I know someone based off of what they look like or even the internet.The statement below was said because you can easily tell the difference in the intellect of the words chosen between the two statements quoted.
as to your other statements I have practiced external martial arts already and now I'm continuing to learn about the internal arts. No I don't enjoy fighting because I don't like seeing people get hurt. You can still train just as well or better if you have devotion to you're training, and that doesn't include liking to fight. I do no practice just one MARTIAL art. From one of my masters I was told all martial arts is only used for defense.
Awesome it really works and yes it hurts,come and try it.I know ive been on the receiving end. Dont knock it till you try it.A massive hello to my gongfu brothers.
oh shit son , rory is callin your bitch ass out ......ehh i havent really seen too much exciting fighting from this , is there any reaally effective moves from this cuz i just started tai chi chuan form soo jw, i only wanto know cuz i also do hapkido and im curious
Well I'm unsure of what you're asking but I think I get the gist..
All of the moves featured in our vids are derivatives of the form, my favourites consist of the seven star palm apps, there cool cuss the neck is a pretty indefensible joint...
Ah there speaks another arm-chair expert, if this sifu did K1 the only result would be multiple deaths and his disqualification, because they practice a sport, and he does not...
then why'r the guys in the video nt dead yet? and they seem to have very weak legs too.. save ur money dude! or perhaps ur in for some commission too, thus the video eh ? i agree w/ matrixbug that ur sifu needs get some decent opponents! or yah perhaps "the weak must surrender money to the strong" ?... that's why weak students (those kids) pay sifu.
Weak legs? Were trying to pull ourselves AWAY from the pain but he's got his other arm holding our head so moving down is the only option. It reeeally hurts!!!
do you think in a couple of years time,your sifu's training and skills will be the same as 'yang lu chan' and 'wu quan you' from the legendary stories? or are those just stories?
...Sifu always says we should not hope to compare ourselves with people of thoes periods as they lived in times of true war, where survivel was dependent upon ones skill with the fist and steel....
Not to put too finer point on it but everyone loses there balance at some point or another, even the highly skilled, and his balance is lost cus he has too pull the kick to prevent shattering my skull...
momemntarily yes, but look how often he didn't lose it! besides, how many people put their mistakes in a video. well done to him for not editing it out
Why do these tai chi sifu and masters demonstrate thrown people around go learn jujitsu or aikido if thats what you want.. this is just embarrassing to the real taijiquan practitioners
andysun73 11 months ago
Good stuff! And to all the trolls who say this doesn't work: It does! It works because of the power behind it, not because he uses this or that particular technique! Sure, the attacks could have been more skillful, but still this is much better than 98% of MA demos I have seen!
piaten 11 months ago
@TheNoeticStaytru I would root for the kyokushin practitioner, they just have more experience with real fighting. But, if Taiji-ka ( i dunno what they're called) had proper sparring experience... then i would not put the odds on such a power based stagnant art.
buddy2000529 11 months ago
This looks like sad stagnant aikido... i think I'll take Bagua or Xing yi instead...
buddy2000529 11 months ago
this style is all about grip an speed
mckittytv 2 years ago
Remember there's no such thing as the ultimate fighting style... The martial arts are constantly evolving... what you are doing is fine to preserve an art form but would be reckless to think it's and effective way to defend one self in today's world of mma...
rsmick200 2 years ago
@rsmick200 mma, mm yeah i would give the like of fedor less than 3 minutes to survive with this dude
Shantou1 1 year ago
why? I´m not saying you´re wrong, just qurious =)
anigeus 1 year ago
I have a little experience (25yrs. wrestling and martial arts) and I still consider my self always learning... When someone shows me a weak link in my technique I welcome the advice... If it's going to improve my ability to defend myself, I'm all for it...
rsmick200 2 years ago
You and your students work hard at what you do. This must be applauded. However the reality is that 80% of you techniques could not help you fight your way out of a wet paper bag... I'm calling it the way I see it... You don't need me to challenge my theory... just bring your self to the toughest neighborhoods in your area... You wont last more than a few seconds...
rsmick200 2 years ago
there is a cavity on neck, and it can control the pressure of blood in side our body, and when you make pressure on that cavity will make body lower you blood pressure, after that, you blood can't rich to you brain then you lost the control of your body, but I'm not sure the video is about the same thing
jj987987987 2 years ago
The Master points a right swod-finger at him (00:30). Very interesting...
This is true Taiji, very rare. I really like the sword-finger at 00:30 .
I wonder if people are aware of it's origin ? ;)
5Elders 2 years ago
He is really good at beating up hippies.
MasterDragonNinja 2 years ago
I like the shoulder-push move the best.. :)
gabrius99 2 years ago
he is just kicking yall's asses nice job i loved it
okeerf 2 years ago
i believe there's little throwing or bouncing because he's demonstrating touch points more than taiji itself
ShawGong 2 years ago
Notice that everyone charging at the dude throw both their feet very close to his. It gives him a lot of leverage to put them off balance. I hope people don't fight like this in real life.
jeffdoeskungfu 3 years ago
a couple of them fell before the guy touched them.
jiaxiking 3 years ago
Yeah... I've seen even more exaggerated demos where people start hopping around after the demo dude chi-pokes them.
jeffdoeskungfu 3 years ago
the way i see it, this man could hav dealt a finishing blow easily, but this is a demo, it is not meant to show you how to kill or beat them into submission. In general it is a decent vid on some of the basics.
Johnye10 3 years ago
i kan se by the way his action is and the way he does the form, he uses more li energy and good taijist sends his opponet flying he doesnt have to strike more than once. he is fighting more like a kungfuist turned taijiist, that what i see.
marktao1 3 years ago
You are an idiot IMO. Go back to your fantasy taichi where you think the masters of old were able to survive on the battlefield by throwing people around with their push hands skill. This is a great demo of taichi skill as most opponents will not use soft force as most push hands practitioners are using when showing this. In combat you don't throw your opponent away, instead you control and dispatch them quickly.
SecretSword 3 years ago
this guy is low level taiji fighting, he hasnt developed the jin to bounce or throw people.
marktao1 3 years ago
..jin is not required to bounce or throw people... and 'he' is not low level Taiji fighting, he might be using low level Taiji fighting, but he cannot be the incantation of Taiji executed in a specific way, further as you have never trained with the man, how can you justify such sweeping generalizations...
rory2501 3 years ago 2
Cool, very efficient style of cobat..
TWOCKSTA 3 years ago 2
i m not commenting on persons skills, he might be very high skilled
but the demo was crap. the opponents were shown just moving in,
if it was supposed to be touch based, they should have also tried close combat techniques, not just moving in
devilninjas 3 years ago
It's not supposed to be touch based it is touch based, it's called pressure point or touch point you choice, we did use combat techniques, but the harder we go in the more we get hurt.. check out our other videos for more dynamic apps..
rory2501 3 years ago
thats really neat. what does he do at the guys leg at about 1:10? it looks like he pinches right below the back of the knee, but i dont know?
DyingonYourBday 3 years ago
Yes...
rory2501 3 years ago
Very good application! This looks like what I want to do with a friend soon.
monkfg 4 years ago
I really like this vid,and the other ones,show's tai chi in a new light(it's real light). I'm studying lau gar kung fu,in brum.I see Sifu Jiang in town sometimes.Thanks for uploading :0)
VeganTruthist1 4 years ago
you dont look so tough I can do that shit with my eyes closed and my feet tied to my hands
Na not really
Impressive stuff what i like best about it is your hardly moving and make it look so easy
I could only just grasp basic wristlock techniques while making it look difficult
Good stuff
666daedsidog 4 years ago
lol glad you liked it:)
rory2501 4 years ago
I really liked the last one, you have good skills
aaahshs 4 years ago
Yes...Super!. I love this applications.
liangyi 4 years ago
I must say that is some good looking stuff, I miss training like that. I have looked up more stuff along the lines of Bruce Lee's Tao of Jeet Kun Do. I would love to spar with someone from your way of fighting. But I've gotten lazy and my body has weakened but just the experience I feel would be an interesting one.
VampRune 4 years ago
Thanks and it would be a pleasure to spar with you, if you are ever in our neck of the woods, come down and pay us a visit we will have fun and I'm certain it would be intersecting learning experience for all concerned:)
rory2501 4 years ago
Your really good man.
Ace1038 4 years ago
As the saying goes, winning an argument over the internet is like winning the special olympics... Your both retarded.
Nice vid btw. I like when he uses Ti Fang to send them flying away.
adaptdesigns 4 years ago
lol your so right, but it is easy to be sucked in, glad you liked the video:)
rory2501 4 years ago
I think you have very little skill.You only talk and insult people..U give Taichi very bad name..which is a beautiful art.Could you please put up video of yourself so we could see how great and skillfull you claim you are.I don't think you will I promise you.You hide behind your Teacher.I never hide behind my teacher.
terryliu8 4 years ago
When have I claimed to be grate and skilful, forgive me friend but you lack proper understanding of the English language to make such judgments, further, I have been moved to anger only once whilst answering comments, so I do not anger easily, I have not made judgments upon your character or you skill yet you have done so about me with the slightest provocation..
rory2501 4 years ago
I love to practise with you..to see your true level of skill.I learn and study taichi for 26 years,yet I try to be humble and I am still student.I learn in Chen village in China.I also reconise your style.You make many challange and use not good language to people..I read all your comment.This character is not the product of Taichi.
terryliu8 4 years ago
I would gladly train with you and not to illustrate my own power, nor to prove how fierce I can but simply because I would enjoy the experience...
rory2501 4 years ago
Rory U make many accusation against my character with out reading my coment in part1.I make fair coment..when did I call u a joke?..can u prove I said this.I ony make coment by watching video u provide.ur video is clear proof by lack of Taichi being used by students.I also read your many comment to other people..u get angry very easy and you insult to much..you try not use reason.Taichi teach me to control my angre.
terryliu8 4 years ago
effective, if 10 complete novies run at u doing the same move.
reason9996 4 years ago
You are most welcome to come and try your hand...
Also I should inform you that none of our students are novices, many are in fact experienced and accomplished martial artists, it's simply that the techniques we learned before brakes down when applied to taiji, simply come and try for yourself, challenge the sifu or the students as is your want...
rory2501 4 years ago
is that your answer to every thing 'violence' i think many would agree its easy to defend against your own students especialy when they are all doing the same move. Is that what your master teaches ''run at your opponent, thats right just run at him like an idiot'' Come on im sure hes good but if thats what they would do in a fight then they are novices
reason9996 4 years ago
We study martial arts, we are in the business of violence, and what I suggested wasn't particularly violent, merely a means of ascertaining ability, it would simply illustrate to you that there are reasons why the attacks look the way they look, you have no footage of yourself up, you have given no indication as to your own ability, instead you chose to pass comment without considering why it would look the way it looks
rory2501 4 years ago
part 2: as I have already stated many of us are experienced martial artists in external styles, Lau gar, Eskrima, Muay tai, tae kwon do, among others, what we do works, and works well in ANY situation, all i am doing is affording to you the opportunity to prove that you have the courage of your conviction and are not merely blowing hot air because you feel emboldened by the distance provided by the internet, if you feel this is a harsh judgment you have my sincerest apologies
rory2501 4 years ago
part 3: but the reality of this situation is; debate resolves nothing, we study a MARTIAL art, the operative word being martial, come try your hand by all means, you may learn something or you may teach us something but come regardless of your intent, for it is that way that things were resolved in china for millennia within the martial world..
rory2501 4 years ago
he who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument''chinese Proberb'' Take care
reason9996 4 years ago
A beautiful sentiment, and although it illustrates a truth, for one who prides 'reason' as his name sake you have failed or so it would appear to exercise yours, the proverb is not an answer to the challenge you engendered, nor does it expunge the veracity of my statement...
rory2501 4 years ago
your the one challenging me so come get then
reason9996 4 years ago
I did not pass judgment upon you as I recall, it was you who cast aspersions upon our ability and then more grievously upon our motivations, you are a uk resident, the places we train are listed on our website, feel free to 'drop' by at your earliest convenience...
rory2501 4 years ago
no no no you are the one challenging me so come!! your just vexed coz u r one of the students on the vid hahaha
reason9996 4 years ago
I don't know where you train, you have offered nothing about yourself...
rory2501 4 years ago
Yes, because every fight involves people running at you really fast.
otfresh 4 years ago
Ever see a riot, or a street fight involving more than assailant?
Consider if we hang back, chose our shots ect, sifu moves forward, a most disagreeable outcome...
rory2501 4 years ago
why is not my message not coming on page?..it work on all the other message..I keep trying.I feel someting control this or prevent it.I don't understnd.I not use bad language.just make fair comment..I study taiji in china for 26 years since I am 5 years.
terryliu8 4 years ago
Fair you say? You described all be it badly, what we are doing as a joke, tell me having never trained with you , would it be 'fair' to call you and your sifu a joke, to infer that you have no understanding of Taiji or gung fu?
No it would not be fair for me to say such things, kindly extend us the same curtsy, criticism is fine provided it is based upon the material provided, and are supported by reason, not conjecture..
rory2501 4 years ago
If you read my part1 you understand my comment.I think ther is problem with web.. why not my message come up..I keep trying to send part1 message.Not work.I am sorry I not intent to make you upset.I thoght you delete my message.
terryliu8 4 years ago
why you not show my part 1? you be clever. you not show true gungfu charakter.
terryliu8 4 years ago
I have not affected the appearance of part one of your post, Kindly refrain from posting baseless judgments on our 'character' or it will result in an argument that you will lose and in the process make you look exceptionally stupid, restrict the scope of your comments to the video, not wild speculation...
rory2501 4 years ago
....My training for many years is to use all my skill and knowledge I learn against my teacher to prove we learn and that our skill is affectiv. This not good way to learn or show our art of taiji.. people might make joke of taiji. Taiji skill will test taiji skill. I don't meen to hurt feelins, just some good advise. I wish my english to be good so I explane more esily. Good health to you
terryliu8 4 years ago
you are a UK resident yes? what you say is very offensive, it will would require more than mere words to back up such arbitrary statements, you are most welcome to come to a lesson and witness first had that what we not only works but is actual fighting Taiji..
rory2501 4 years ago
I can see a lot of creativities here. Many talented and gifted people in this group. Most of your comments are insightful and therefore interesting to read. Keep at it!
evagolding 4 years ago
Taiji is like a tree,it stands tall.but can also bend in the wind it has roots but many branches.but no 2 branches are the same!!
jamm00001 4 years ago
Nice one Jammy, I like it, I'm gonna use that on the website.
rory2501 4 years ago
Do people build structures like the pyramids everyday now? we've progressed as humans haven't we? Does everyone have a hand made terracotta soldier in their living room?.... The Wudang and Chen styles remain today with additional forms alongside the original that's called progression the keeping what you know and adding to it... not defacing it, does too much plastic surgery improve you? When water is it added to milk is it better?
gungfumaster101 4 years ago
But you have not answered hujin316 's point you have only stated that change is not always good, this does not support your original premise that knowledge is lost and there for a style is diluted, in reality as hujin316 stated we add to our knowledge based from personal experience sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse, but to thin that these changes are not two fold is foolish but that is an entirely subjective point,
rory2501 4 years ago
some knowledge is rendered obsolete while other information is essential to our survival, wisdom is not found in the repetition of derisive theories of better men as you seem content to do, clinging to their dogma as though it were sacrosanct.
rory2501 4 years ago
You appear to like to argue for the sake of it, you make no cohesive point or argument, you flit from one point to the next ignoring counterpoints and changing the essence of your argument, all well and good, but you accomplish nothing with such tactics. Our little war of words can accomplish equally little, you must decide now whether you poses the 'courage' of your convictions
rory2501 4 years ago
there are a number of us here who would be more than willing to face you, come test the purity of your style, let us see for ourselves your apparent skill.
rory2501 4 years ago
you seem to say if you and yours change things that's progression but if others do the same then that's dilution. Why does 1 style have to be better than another, why can't we celebrate what we share? The love of taiji. Respect's what we should afford one another. Debate is interesting but debunking, especially without personal knowledge of what you debunk only brings shame on your own teacher and your teacher deserves better. The best style in the world is the one that suits the student best.
sailam3 4 years ago
You are quite right I agree with your sentaments whole heartedly:)
rory2501 4 years ago
So you're saying your teacher has changed the Wu style and has added to it? If one learns for 10years from a master who had also learnt for 10years but has taught for 50years do you think you know 50 years worth of knowledge?? surely not... do you think that a teacher has taught you everything? There is a big difference between acupuncture strikes and pressure point strikes- UFC has pressure points...when one opposes joints (locks) or gets hit... that's called the exertion of pressure at a point
gungfumaster101 4 years ago
you are pointlessly arguing semantics here, the name of a technique is irrelevant all that matters is whether or not it can work, that is not to say it will every time only that it will at the right time...
rory2501 4 years ago
Nicely orchestrated video, I like how the lifeless students do nothing but just run at him as he stands there prepared to receive them. Wu style is one of the furthest and most diluted of Taiji Quan. Its Qigung and Fa'Jing don't compare to the likes of Chen/Yang, Wu's Source. A student can never gain his all his teachers' knowledge/experience (thus dilution) regardless of lineage, when the style has passed so many hands the only thing you should be confident in is your own delusion of grandeur
gungfumaster101 4 years ago
Ok first I`am not no the video but I am one of he`S students. Now there is know way the video is fake when he dose touch (Preacher) Point it hearts it hearts alot so they/we/anyone tires to get out of the way. Next I am very surprised that you think that knowledge is lost the further you get from the source (you can go the wrong way) but knowledge is added to as time passes your we would still be living in caves scared of fire.
hujin316 4 years ago
Good! this is real tai chi fighting
tunderman66 4 years ago
royr2501: "Well... He isn't trying to kill us..
And if your such hot shit, why don't you come and try..." Real masters don't try to jump in to fights, they go out of their way to avoid them....unless you're not implying that.
dragon123444 4 years ago
I did not imply that long would jump into a fight, but once committed to such an action to attain victory you must give no quarter, and while Sifu Long is a master and would in all likelihood ascribe to the axiom you have invoked, I am not and am not bound by such 'wisdom' call it the prerogative of youth, or if you prefer the symptomatic folly of it...
rory2501 4 years ago
Total change of attitude.
dragon123444 4 years ago
Part 1: Have met our Sifu, ever talked to him no, so how could you possibly know what his attitude is to anything? Are you psychic, do you perhaps poses some other worldly insight into the human condition? No...
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 2: Well then let's get this sorted... Sifu Long and his society are dedicated to restoration of Taiji as a fighting art, which means that regardless of how you, I or even he feels about it, fighting is necessary, we accept all challenges from all martial arts to illustrate the devastating martial science of Taiji; this is our burden and joy.
rory2501 4 years ago
"if you such hot shit come and try" :: "a master and would in all likelihood ascribe to the axiom you have invoked". As they are not the same sentence but are different selected ways of speaking. Yes I do believe that learning self defense is beneficial to anyone's health accepting challenges from other martial arts isn't self defense, it's a sport.
dragon123444 4 years ago
And yes over in china where there are no guns maybe they're more then likely to take the challenge, but in America where they carry guns I'd prefer to give them my money with out getting killed.
dragon123444 4 years ago
who said there is no guns
ChaozXIII 4 years ago
Well yes there are guns in china, but proportionally, knife crime is higher, and relative gun crime compared to the US is like a drop in a bucket...
rory2501 4 years ago
I tailor my answers in a way which those I am speaking to will be comprehend my point, you seem bright thus I use my natural style, the crass nature of my former statement was an equivocal response to a persistently annoying person who as I recall was essentially staging a almost ceaseless campaign of deformation..
rory2501 4 years ago
What has been the success rate of your style against such challenges? How many challenges have been undertaken, and have they been to any 'rules'? Just curious as i am a big follower of 'Realistic' fight systems/martial arts and am currently looking into Taiji.
DW01 4 years ago
Generally sifu does not stipulate rules.. That's just the way he is, when I first met I went all out to hurt him, it was not cool, I wish someone would have warned me lol, The challenges I've been there for have all ended with the other guys walking away frustrated, because he never try's to hurt the opponent (intentionally) and they usually are going all out to hurt him..
rory2501 4 years ago
Taiji would be good choice, lot good teachers out there, a lot of bad ones to, internal martial arts if taught properly are ruthless and methodical, just depends on the skill and intention of your teacher, good look finding what you are looking for and if your ever in the are look us up:)
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 3: what was it you said a real master will do anything to avoid a fight, no this is an erroneous assumption, the only reasons a master would turn down a direct challenge would be if there was a strong probability of failure or more likely if the risk to the other person's life was sufficiently high as they behave in a reckless manor...
rory2501 4 years ago
Or common sense - best defence is not to be there in the first place! (perhaps)
DW01 4 years ago
You say true and I say thank you:)
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 4: It sound as to me that you aren't interested in mastery of (now read this twice because it's important) 'MARTIAL ARTS' key word martial, but rather you are more concerned with points of moral philosophy, and while I know the two are in fact reciprocally and inextricably linked you appear not to.
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 5: Your idea of a master appears from what you have inferred to be some kind of other worldly sage, espousing stoic wisdom from his home in the mountains, one to whom fighting is an abhorrent memory, a faded and much stigmatized recollection of the distant past, am I getting closer?
rory2501 4 years ago
Part 6: Now here is the kicker are you ready, whether you practice an internal martial art or an external one, a Daoist style or a Buddhist one, you must enjoy fighting to be any good at it, you must also be 100% committed to such an action should you perceive it necessary act, any half measures will result in failure at best and at worst death, distaste for the practice will have equivocal results...
rory2501 4 years ago
2nd part:As I have/had read and learned from Taiji chu'an/quan. I was taught that it is used only for self defense or demonstrations of how to apply because of its attacks to qi channels and their points. I'm not ignorant to say I know someone based off of what they look like or even the internet.The statement below was said because you can easily tell the difference in the intellect of the words chosen between the two statements quoted.
dragon123444 4 years ago
as to your other statements I have practiced external martial arts already and now I'm continuing to learn about the internal arts. No I don't enjoy fighting because I don't like seeing people get hurt. You can still train just as well or better if you have devotion to you're training, and that doesn't include liking to fight. I do no practice just one MARTIAL art. From one of my masters I was told all martial arts is only used for defense.
dragon123444 4 years ago
Awesome it really works and yes it hurts,come and try it.I know ive been on the receiving end. Dont knock it till you try it.A massive hello to my gongfu brothers.
jamm00001 4 years ago
Sifu's teacher in China, Master Zhang Bo, the 4th generation of the Northern Wu, his video can be seen in the Quicklist.
evagolding 4 years ago
oh shit son , rory is callin your bitch ass out ......ehh i havent really seen too much exciting fighting from this , is there any reaally effective moves from this cuz i just started tai chi chuan form soo jw, i only wanto know cuz i also do hapkido and im curious
ESTOsorio 4 years ago
Well I'm unsure of what you're asking but I think I get the gist..
All of the moves featured in our vids are derivatives of the form, my favourites consist of the seven star palm apps, there cool cuss the neck is a pretty indefensible joint...
rory2501 4 years ago
Very nice. Good to see some real Taiji applications instead of mysterious CHEEEEE forces and "no-touch" takedowns.
NOMIND101 4 years ago
bullshit vid, the sifu should go on k1
enyqus 4 years ago
Ah there speaks another arm-chair expert, if this sifu did K1 the only result would be multiple deaths and his disqualification, because they practice a sport, and he does not...
rory2501 4 years ago
then why'r the guys in the video nt dead yet? and they seem to have very weak legs too.. save ur money dude! or perhaps ur in for some commission too, thus the video eh ? i agree w/ matrixbug that ur sifu needs get some decent opponents! or yah perhaps "the weak must surrender money to the strong" ?... that's why weak students (those kids) pay sifu.
enyqus 4 years ago
Well... He isn't trying to kill us..
And if your such hot shit, why don't you come and try...
rory2501 4 years ago
Weak legs? Were trying to pull ourselves AWAY from the pain but he's got his other arm holding our head so moving down is the only option. It reeeally hurts!!!
day2dream 4 years ago
no, you see clearly decades of arm chair dvd instruction make enguys an authority on the touch point and the dynamics of combat...
rory2501 4 years ago
To Rory
do you think in a couple of years time,your sifu's training and skills will be the same as 'yang lu chan' and 'wu quan you' from the legendary stories? or are those just stories?
CloudFists 4 years ago
...Sifu always says we should not hope to compare ourselves with people of thoes periods as they lived in times of true war, where survivel was dependent upon ones skill with the fist and steel....
rory2501 4 years ago
Get some decent opponents.
as a Chinese, I'm sure u did learn some Taiji and Qinna tech. but, those kids can't even kick or punch properly.
be serious, if you want to demo ur kongfu.
matrixbug 4 years ago
Now... I'm going to say this again, if you think your such hot shit come and try...
rory2501 4 years ago
Matrixbug = NoKungfu skill. This Taichi master would own even a skilled UFC fighter
SecretSword 4 years ago
that uniform isn't funny..
moritsumi87 4 years ago
We don't wear uniforms for out door training...
rory2501 4 years ago
Take care, time is on your side.
evagolding 4 years ago
Hi Jack, we miss you, you know where we are.
evagolding 4 years ago
I still need to clear a bunch of stuff up, But after so much stuff thats been going on and still is i should be able to rejoin.
unkysam 4 years ago
I honestly wish i didnt have exams and ended up giving this up >__> god damn it.
unkysam 4 years ago
'Unkysam', did you come to his classes before, you can always come back.
evagolding 4 years ago
I was one of the youngest, of the monday classes :/. Jack J Hartwell.
unkysam 4 years ago
That's actually happened with hilarious consequences..
rory2501 4 years ago
I honestly do feel really sorry for the unfortunate poor soul who tries to mug him lol.
roady05 4 years ago
fake? there is logic in this conlcusion?
bluvine 4 years ago
As I say its an easily resolved dichotomy...:)
rory2501 4 years ago
Fake and real should be very easy to distinguish.
evagolding 4 years ago
Alert... Fake kongfu...
matrixbug 4 years ago
If you think its fake come and try...
rory2501 4 years ago
Far from fake
SecretSword 4 years ago
Have you all noticed that he instinctively fights like a bear without hesitations and fear, and yet very relaxed. Worthy of his status.
evagolding 4 years ago
Skillful, i look forward to seeing more of your work :)
bluvine 4 years ago
If you look closely, you'll see he lost his balance at 00:50. that is a major flaw; if you do not have balance, you have nothing.
Manjiguru 4 years ago
he prolly would not have lost balance if he had continued through with the kick. He is just playing with these kids he doesn't want to hurt em
SecretSword 4 years ago
correct...
rory2501 4 years ago
Not to put too finer point on it but everyone loses there balance at some point or another, even the highly skilled, and his balance is lost cus he has too pull the kick to prevent shattering my skull...
rory2501 4 years ago
momemntarily yes, but look how often he didn't lose it! besides, how many people put their mistakes in a video. well done to him for not editing it out
sailam3 4 years ago
Perhaps, only a handful of people in the world can do this today. So fortunate to have witnessed this.
evagolding 4 years ago