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  • Oh one other thing. Do you know the spawn times for TLPD? Ive heard 12:00 7:00 10:00 11:00, but is there any truth to this? Thanks!

  • @acarr522 random. random. random. no time of day, no minute after the hour. random. random. random. because people saw some patterns their camp, doesn't mean they will ever get those patterns to repeat. i've killed dozens of tlpds i'm sad to say and hundreds of vyras. mainly because i thought there had to be a pattern. there isn't, at least not one you can pick up in several months. random. random. random.

  • Is it plausible for one person to catch TLPD by himself? if so, what is the best place?

  • @acarr522 i dont know why you're asking questions covered in the video even, much less all over the site

  • Watching this over and over again to see if i missed something while camping :D wow timer: 4hour 11min, straight camping without moving an inch :D

  • well, technically npcscan and silverdragon, whichever, should automatically. however, they are well known by veterans to fuck up from time to time... so, if you spam a macro (by hand or .... whatever you decide to use ......... friend.... intern.... other..) you're more likely to avoid any possible errors

  • If i park on the 4 path camp spot, will npcscan notify me about it? or do i need to be on the computer looking around? :P

  • @hmdd 6-7 hours :(

  • @InfrangaCorp the answer is definitely not 6-7 hours, anytime there is a spawn it is a chance to be time lost, but is usually vyragosa. this is explained in the video and variously in the website, which the video info and video itself says to go to for far more information than can be fit in a ten minute video

  • @distantmirage PS i love the site and video, best information available :)

  • @distantmirage i have been camping frozen lake for 4 days now, only 1 vyra kill. there are about 3 more people at frozen lake at all time. so should i go to waterfall spawn point then? more chance

  • @baitz0r you have to base your camp on where people are camping... and try to somehow be aware of where they are so you're up to date.. if that makes any sense

  • @distantmirage i don't get it, so i have to stay at frozen lake? why that?

  • @baitz0r i dont know what you are talking about with this post. i didnt say that. my intent is, you camp the most logically based on where others are. if you can camp waterfall and see brunnhildar with nobody around between you and brunnhildar and around waterfall letting others fight over frozen lake and ulduar... do that. it is very basic, beginner strategy

  • @distantmirage ah okay i misunderstood it, thanks

  • 2+ months for more than 12hours per day on a full server...covering 2 of the spots most of the time.. killed more than 40 vyras.still no luck.. spawns always on the other 2.. im constantly on the frozen lake spawn spot and sometimes i haveliek 4 ppl on top of me ..other spot with alt i cover is ulduar.. guess what.. seen it dead 4 times in village and missed the 5th for some seconds when it was coming from waterfall.. if u are lucky, u will just get it .. if not ..u will still camp like me atm..

  • thank you so much i just got it! couldn't have done it without this video :D

  • omfg i was just camping the second spawn you show and reading on the battle.net about some of this shit and i havent even been camping for 30 minutes and boom vyagosa spawns ontop of me

    i was reading about this guys bad luck and then it spawn grate video

  • Should i keep camping at frozen lake spot or should i move arround from spawn to spawn point?

  • How long should i be waiting each spawn point?

    trigun101 14 hours ago

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    @trigun101 in my opinion you should pick the best option and not move at all 'till you absolutely have to leave, or get stacked on and re evaluate

    distantmirage 6 hours ago

  • @distantmirage what addons do you use for finder the NPCs

  • How long should i be waiting each spawn point?

    

  • @trigun101 in my opinion you should pick the best option and not move at all 'till you absolutely have to leave, or get stacked on and re evaluate

  • OMG I GETTET IT ALL THANXS TO U XDDDD IM SOOO HAPPY :DD

  • how long does it take to respawn :O?

  • @distantmirage I remember after camping for days with no luck then after seeing this video i finally got one and after that helped a couple of my friends as well. An awesome adventure and we owe it all to you. Thanks from all of us cheers mate.

  • @Marvsh89 I'm glad I could help man :D <3

  • im watching this video over and over coz i have nothing else to do while im camping x(

  • @nutzyboy801 read the site - tons of info there that isn't here and updates that aren't here - will be a new video sooner than later

  • plz answer this: tlpd / vyragosa aint being killed by any1 in the area is it just going to fly around untill some1 kill it or it is going to "spawn away"

  • @LycanusX Considering I've seen Vyra up for a few hours unengaged before, I seriously doubt there is a despawn timer for her. Now TLPD? anybody's guess, I don't think anyone's been able to follow one around for a couple hours without it being quickly killed. sorry i don't have a better answer

  • WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THE SONGS

  • can i loot mount if im in group?

  • Fucking saw him the other day & was too frantic to realize a person I was telling all about the Time Lost to was still in my group. He won the roll on it and told me I should have changed loot to master looter. Dude had 8 other cool drakes, Me? I've been using a Red Drake after opening at least 200 Mysterious Eggs. I asked him later how he liked the mount and he replied "It's just a mount"

    Cho'Gall server man... fucking gay

    i did however kill vyra while camping the waterfall spawn point today

  • i have seen time lost twice and some another player comes along and takes the agro of me.

  • To continue, from what I saw of around 10 days camping, the respawn timer seemed to be between 8-12 hours which was definitely lowered to around 5-7 if you have a group of people killing rares.

    Also in regards to the rare cap in Northrend, we had 8 up at the same time, so its not a 2-5 rare cap, its actually a lot higher.

    10 Days camping we killed 21 Vyragosas and 2 TLPD, we didnt get all the kills in those 10 days, we had alot of competition and still do for the mount even in Cata.

  • @chommy the rare cap change from 2 in wrath to what is now unknown but much higher than 2 is well documented on the website that the video and description instructs to go read for more information - the video is just a very very brief overview - and becoming outdated as more and more changes (will be making a new video soon that is more complete)

  • @distantmirage Well keep up the good work, I have the TLPD thanks to your contributions! cheers mate.

  • @chommy thank you, i appreciate it and grats :D

  • Ponderance, I just got the Time-Lost thanks to your video, it took me around 7-10 days.

    I got my TLPD at the Ulduar spawn point, It spawned literally 5 seconds after a friend of mine killed Skoll, I had 2 friends roaming Northrend killing rares which definitely seemed to bring the timer down quite dramatically and others on the spawn points you showed in the video.

    Dont give up guys, if you can get a team together you can do this, if not just pick a spot and camp there as often as you can, GL.

  • Soo,I know for a fact I will get the time lost eventually, and I'd just like to talk to the dude who made this video.

  • Got it after 3½ hours at Ulduar spot. Fell down the Mountain when he spawned.. but i got fired an arcane shot on him before i died :P Thank u very much for your help.:)

  • I just got a TLPD today. I was flying to get the elder at bouldercrag and my npc scan went off. I got real lucky.

  • My server is dead in storm peaks, so I sit in middle to see all 4 paths. I've killed vyragosa twice today. No one is ever on any of the 4 spots on my server.

  • @HipH0pHippy Do you need to be on ur computer watching around or do you have npcscan? and does it notify you from the 4 path camping spot? or is the range too low :D

  • Just got mine! Spirestone 2:33 server time! Thanks for all the help!

  • i just found Vyragosa Dead =(!!!!

  • How often tit spawn??

  • @Litenmagi 12h

  • Currently camping for him now..nothin so far. :(

  • Really this game must hate me badly seen this cunt twice, first time pc crashes (great eh?) 2nd time it despawns infront of me. (even better -_-) and now... i cant find that dam drake :(

  • no fucking way.... i just found time lost proto drake laying dead :SS!!!

  • Note: There's nothing wrong with the quality of the video. At lowest settings you can very clearly see the minimap and it's massively easy to glance at it and glance at a map that's open and see where you are. If I catered to the least skilled people in the world I would do nothing but that.

  • Yo Ponderance, it's me... again. I just wanted to ask what video recording software you're using to record your videos? It can't be fraps... the quality is too high. :p

  • @Chaoyll Fraps. The quality would be higher if I did it now with my new rig. Might do that because there is a lot I would like to add. Maybe make a companion video that dispells a lot of the myths out there. Mainly i would explain how exactly flying around is by far the worst possible thing to do. But yeah, fraps.

  • @distantmirage Wow, fraps it is then. Perhaps I could sort that for you? By reading and doing a lot of my own observing, I've noted a lot about Vyra/TLPD spawns. I was thinking of making a quick video guide kinda thing for people to look at, and just for the heck of it really, since I can't talk to anyone else about these rare spawn mechanics, I might as well talk to YouTube about them. :p

  • @Chaoyll Yeah I could make a video 45 minutes long if I dumped all I knew about it into it (which is why there is such a vast amount of text on tlpdresource's website, and why in the video and comments and video info it says to go there if you have questions as everything is answered there) -- have you seen the site? is it missing anything?

  • hello, thank you for the help. I believe it will save me alot of time, i was stressing quite a bit before. but i'll listen to you, the sanity and sleep reasons are very important. if its not too much am i able to add you as a real ID friend? if you arnt comftorable or dont like to, leave a pm :). thanks again

  • Just Killed him today.. 5 min ago.. sooo happy :D

  • @HukHukImaTalbuk emerald dream.. spawned at waterfall

  • say, do you know the respawn time?

  • @brink808 Tons of info on the site.

    Min time after a vyra or tlpd kill in cata is 45 minutes. Usually it's 2-8 hours. Usually it's Vyragosa. There's no way to predict it, it's random. No spawn spot is a hot spot.

  • @distantmirage not really 2-8 hours. It's minimum 3h and max 6 days

  • @EdilarinProducts No. If you read the updates, 45 minutes is the lowest time between vyra spawns / vyra tlpd / tlpd spawns. Say 3h all you want, but the fact is 45 minutes between dead on and some extra minutes on some occurances. The max is surely not six days. I've been in a camp where, quite literally all four spawn spots were camped for 26 days solid, 24/7, 100%. All vyra spawns 'till the 26th day.

    Sorry to disagree. But that's the fact.

  • @EdilarinProducts I would like to add, hopefully you know there's always going to be quite a few vyra spawns in a 6 day period. Any vyra could have been a TLPD, that's how it's always worked and that was figured out a long time ago. Sorry if this is all new info to you. (Read up on tlpdresource website, wowhead is a really, really bad joke when it comes to this info.)

  • what spawn point is the best to camp 1,2,3,4?

  • Got mine this morning :) 4 months of 20 - 30 hours a week. 1 tlpd corpse sighting, 1 near miss, 53 Vyra kills (countless more Vyra sightings) and I finally have it. Emerald Dream EU Tuesday morning 5:19 am, waterfall spawn. Caught him as he passed by me at frozen lake.

    Just trust the info on tlpd resource, guys, seriously, if you are patient you will get one. Good luck to all camping, I'm off to get some sleep!

  • @missinglinkcee4 and i missed it by 40 min, and he spawned at my campin spot.. grats! kobber, emeralddream! :)

  • @HukHukImaTalbuk Kobber? Iv'e seen you camping before! I'm Sepharus! Keep going dude, you'll get it :)

  • @missinglinkcee4 sigh.. just found him dead...

  • i dont get why people want this mount lol its ugly XD

  • @uhMuzoki Same reason a lot of us have a lot of the mounts we have. Mount collecting. I have at least 20 or 30 mounts in my collection I never use because I don't like them at all.

  • @distantmirage Hmm true, im quite the opposite though. 3-4 nice 280/310 flying mounts are perfect for me to just vary it up a little.

  • @uhMuzoki the rarest mount in wow(exept for the ones you only could get in vanilla and tbc)

  • @EdilarinProducts Don't forget Aeonaxx / Gray Camel / Poseidus / all the instance drops in Vanilla/BC/Wrath/Cata

  • so what spawn point would you suggest 1, 2, 3, or 4? and is this video still accurate?

  • @hellsmaniacs As far as your first question, that is answered extensively in the video and on the site. The second question, it absolutely is still accurate. The site is updated often and the comments here reflect changes made that need corrected from the video, or are otherwise notably changed from wrath or have been recently updated.

  • i have been hre for over 90 hours, found 21 vyragosas and one dead TLPD, i hate this shit mount

  • I killed varygosa and waited for the tlpd but nothing...why so?

  • @brzk456 each time there is a spawn, it is usually vyragosa. then the process starts over. forget all the crap you read on wowhead, most of it is half right or totally wrong. as it says in video and description, tons more info is on tlpdresource please read that, so we dont have to retype for no reason. and, good luck with tlpd!

  • Thanks mate! i actually got the drake when i watched this video:) i made my own video too to help people! thanks alot!

  • AWW RIGHT . thanks for getting or helping me with finding this drake! i finally got it!!

  • I've been farming this for 4months now.. seen vyra about 100 times.. like 20 times i've seen time-losts corpse... :(

  • server?

  • camped in stormpeaks todaly 85 hours+, found 20 vyragosas and one dead TLPD, im kinda mad of this shit now...

  • next time open up your map!

  • @SergioArriaga10 This is a crash course.

    1) If people don't know storm peaks, there's a ton more information on the site that's mentioned and linked to.

    2) Most people who are looking up Time-Lost are quite familiar with WoW, and all the zones in it. They can get around easily and recognize exactly where people are.

  • Vyra was it's name

  • I was flying around looking for the time lost proto drake...then my npc scanner went off and said the blue drake thing can't remember name was up on a cliff dead but there was no players in sight it really sucks:[

  • @TheZensty probably left after they killed it as there's no point in sitting around after a vyra kill for at least 45 minutes (in cataclysm)... i know i leave for 45 minutes at least when there's a vyra spawn.

  • 4:11 did Vyra just pass you? O.O

  • @UltraFan123 No. Vyra spawns out of the ground exactly there, and flies to the north/northwest. At no point is it ever above that spot. Blue Proto Drakes fly in circles around that mountain the whole time. Kind of annoying / freaky after a while.

  • @distantmirage Oh lol. Okay thanks :) great video btw :D

  • @UltraFan123 thank you kindly sir, i hate hearing my ownv oice and i tend to when i comehere to respond to videos :D <3 <3 <3

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  • @distantmirage HEY! I FINALLY GOT MINE! AHAHA THANKS TO YOUR ADVICE! xD Thanks so much! >.< <3<3

  • @UltraFan123 grats! a million grats to you guys and trollface and YOU GOT HOS! and so on :D

  • woo! NIN! /like

  • Hello Sprattyy.

  • how long did u stay at a spawnpoint before you moved to another?

    or did u just camped at 1 spawnpoint a whole day for instance?

  • This is a very nice guide :)

    How do you check how many people are in the area? :D like at 4:11

  • @sjsaberfan

    press O on the keyboard and click the who tab

  • where is the spot that you are showing? I dont think you ever said where it was at

  • @13foxtrot155 I don't know how to respond.. learn storm peaks, or look at tlpdresource like it says in the description? :D it's hard to fit everything into just one video..

    and, what spot are you talking about even?  :P

  • Thanks for this very helpful guide as well as your site. I'm camping TLPD on my own. I appreciate you need tons of patience to finally get such a mount. What I wanted to ask is, in your experience, what would you say was on average, the time you had to camp till you saw her? I've noticed logs in your site dated in 2008 where TLPD wouldn't show up for a couple of weeks. Is this something you noticed to be the majority of cases?

  • Thnx got it a day after watching this !!

  • I'm only now beginning my TLPD sit in. I was going to my Insane title, Loremaster, and a few others instead. Looking for info on this mount. led me to you. I don't have it yet, but I'm sure with your info that I will have it in due time. Sorry to find out a decent player (as far as personality goes) does not play anymore. A dying breed, more so with the incoming Kung-Fu Pokemon people. Again, pre-thanks for all the work you did to make my camping easier and less stressful.

  • @Deemonaalot ONLY a 2 days after watching this. I got it. You saved me lots of time and crap flying on the patrols. THANK YOU!

  • Why are you getting more TLPD`s when you have like 5 on every char?

  • and where u got ur npc scann ??

  • @loldeg4

    curse.com

  • how long did u have 2 w8 ?? :P

  • I was just watching your Video and Got it~!~!!!!! OMG

  • quick question. if the time lost proto drake spawns will it stay there untill someone kills it or will it "unspawn" persay?

  • @supermeme4 As far as anyone knows it'll fly the path forever until it is found. GMs have said it does, does not despawn, and they don't know or can't say. So that's no help. However, it has been engaged before and held, then reset and disappeared on multiple occasions. So, if it's found and held for a long time, don't die. Kill it. Just in case.

  • Just got my 50th vyragosa sighting. Sigh.

  • @hawkman8706 I'm sorry... That's not common, that's a hell of a lot of Vyras... TLPD ****SHOULD**** be sooner than later. :D

  • @distantmirage Yeah, I would hope so. I think I've clocked over 1k hours for time-lost alone, lol. But I mean, it's not just this that I've been unlucky at. It took me 38 figurines for the camel, and I have 75 TK & EoE runs, mounts reserved, with no drop yet. I've also killed attumen every week since wrath launch. I guess lady luck is a cunt. Anyways, thanks, this was a good guide. About half of my TLPD time was at bor's breath, non-spawn point, so I feel like I've wasted tons of time.

  • Thank you Ponderance for creating an amazing website. I have yet to be lucky enough to get a TLPD but I have gotten alot of Vyras because of your guide. Thank you for all youve done for the rare mount community

    Chrysostom of Garona

  • @LatinLanguageLass , edited to add finally got mine today as I was camping the Frozen Lake Spawn spot at around 5:48 this morning as he came from Ulduar, shaking so bad i actually messed up the tag and didnt get him till he was all the way around back at the terrace of the makers. Once again thanks Pond for this vid and TLPDresource

    Chrysostom of Garona

  • Nice vid. BTW ^.^

  • @PDNinja Thank you, and no worries - read the video info, there is a link in there to the website. What you asked is not only answered but extensively gone over on the site. (how and where to camp is in the video too, sorry if i'm not clear enough)

  • and made the website by ur own

  • hey! wasnt ment like that, and im sorry if u took it like that.. just ment that ur saying u could answer stuff in comments, and didnt now it was u that had made the vid. ... sorry if u took it bad, all i wannet was some help

  • @distantmirage , cmn man i wrote fucking much xD -8 words reply rofl :D .. well anyways, i watched the video hell lot of time and i still dont get my questions answered?

  • @PDNinja I wrote the entire site, made the video, and you want me to retype what's posted? Think about it. I didn't hold out tips, it's all posted. Please don't expect me to type the same thing over and over to every person who pots. Come on man.

  • And then the final question @distantmirage

    :

    - Should i fly the route, or camp spawning spot?

  • Hey @distantmirage

    Got some questions for ya:

    - Best i'd be camping at some place for it, or can i just sit in a spot in the NPCSCAN route?

    - My server is dead, moslty it's just me in Storm Peaks, not even people who is leveling, so wondering if you can give me some tips there.

    - I got NPCSCAN, so want to know if there's some spot where i can just sit and wait for it to fly by and then NPCSCAN will spot it for me, such as i can sit on the internet without watchin, just hear a the alert?

  • @PDNinja see: video. website has a how to section. :D

  • @smittfish Hence the "Time Lost"

  • @Cwafter haha agreed mate

  • camped him for 2 and a half weeks and found 14 vyragosas and no TLPD. Transferred servers, found vyragosa again : / TL doesnt like me

  • found it dead 2 times, and 15+ Vyragosa spawn !!

  • @Lacrimosa9 flying around? or going out to camp and foudn it on the way? :D

  • Hey ponderance, just quick question considering ive been unable to talk to you on your chatroom. If there are noobs floating above frozen lake would you still recommend camping frozen lake spawn spot? even though im cut off from ulduar route? . Also amazing video/website man.

  • @smittfish I would never camp anywhere but a spawn spot, period. Even on the spawn spot (or near it, depending on if you're on a pvp server that's another story obviously) -- you have a good chance of cutting him off from the waterfall spawn. He's pretty fucked, whoever is over the lake itself. Because, obviously, he has no shot at the actual frozen lake spot and good competition for waterfall. He's as fucked as you with how far Ulduar has to make it. So, I wouldn't worry. :D

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  • Camped for over 80 hours, found todaly 15 vyragosas, but no stupid TLPD

  • If this helps you guys I tamed "Skoll" ,killed "Vyragosa" and killed "Direkee" All in about less than 12 hours in the same day/night.

  • @malpat88 That's a coincidence. :D Trust me, I've killed hundreds of vyras and dozens of tlpds. Thanks for trying though! <3

  • Told someone that was camping to go to a totally random spot and told them that it was a spawn spot, then I stayed at the spot they were originally at. Within 20 minutes at their spot, I found TLPD. Muahahah

  • @MrTrevRand That was an ass hole move, BUT, funny, and grats on your luck.  :D

  • THIS IS THE BEST GUIDE EVER 10/10!!!

  • First of all you need to get NPCScan and / or SilverDragon, those are addons that will help you target rares, TLPD for example. If you are 2 guys camping i would like to reccomend that one camps at the village spawn point, and the other one at the frozen waterfall thing. That is one hell of a badass combo. Took me 3-4 weeks to get this dragon. Good luck peeps!

  • @TheMuppzor1 He means Frozen Lake. Waterfall / Brunnhildar combo would leave 2 paths totally unwatched. @PCgameproductions You also need NPC_Overlay. That's what adds general color fields to the map.

  • @distantmirage Yeah, that's right, the Overlay is necessary aswell, long time I played wow and were seeing that dragon.

  • i have _npcscan from wow curse installed via client and i would like to know how do you have the map colored because i fail to make it have spots over the map with different colors .. sorry for my bad english

  • @PCgamesproductions That coloured thing on the map shows where TLPD and Vyra flies, that's called NPCScan Overlay, you can find it on CurseClient. Good luck!

  • i play on a pvp server.... i get ganked at thos spots often o.o

  • Just killed Vyragosa at 2:16:40 after camping the first camp spot (frozen lake). This is my 4th Vyra kill this week, 3 at this spawn spot, and once after camping the multipath camp. I saw TLPD dead at 6:33 Wednesday morning, 100 meter from where I was camping on frozen lake. I'm on The Venture Co. Still camping my balls off, hoping to get it soon. Been camping 3 weeks now. Peace.

  • @persona764 Best of luck to you sir :D

  • Thank you! And thanks for all the great info. I've had A LOT more luck since following your advice. I just wish the people commenting here would read through your site first, before asking dumbass questions.

  • 4:15 is that the time-lost blue proto drake? :P

  • ffs i just missed him :( by like 2 mins :/ some1 shouted in trade they killed it and i was just on that route im so unlucky i cba anymore

  • Nice, keep up the good work! ;)

  • Got Vyragosa over that hole in the ground today near the foot steps at about 5am........I hope I get a TLPD soon!

  • I got Vyragosa today at the second spawn spot you show. I was under the impression he would spawn on the cliff where you landed but he spawned right over the waterfall in the air hovering.I was lucky also I just got to the waterfall after making a run around the map double checking! I also got Dirkee yesterday Ive been camping about 6-10 hours a day over 4 days!

  • @Titan7170 That wasn't a waterfall spawn. You witnessed the Brunnhildar route in action.

  • @distantmirage

    Ahh ok,got you, Ive been trying to figure out the directions they fly once they spawn, from the first spot you show I believe it flies towards Valkyrion? From the second spot you show he flies up the frozen river towards the first spot then bares left and makes the circle around the mountain? Im trying to figure out the directions so that when I first come on I can make a run that goes against the direction he is flying so you can run into him instead of following forever!

  • ive killed all 3 rares in Borean tundra in 20 minutes... so there isnt a max of 2 in northrend

  • @SiZtheDiZ11 Good job not reading the video details. And even previously under the 2 rare cap 3 in 20 minutes was fully common. 2 at THE SAME TIME. Exact same time. Please, read the site or even the video comments before trying to post corrections. :)

  • Been searching for couple years now with no luck. Have spent a LOT of time in Storm Peaks looking for it but since given up. Killed Vyragosa 3-4 times now though. Since TLPD spawns have been confirmed 45 minutes after a Vyragosa kill, would it be best to just camp for as long as possible after a Vyragosa kill?

  • @rowanrobinson And where has this been "confirmed" with proof?

  • @Mycenaea I'm not sure of proof being posted, there's talk about the first one we heard about in the forums on tlpdresource, and I've personally seen screenshots with time stamps (prat) in my emails of 2 vyras in a row multiple times from multiple people - you can not believe it all you want but I have to try to provide the best information I can (unfortunately they wont let me forward the pics to the sites because if I do that, I leave names - credibility. edited out names doesn't look good.

  • @distantmirage Well I've found a pic with the corpses of both Vyragosa and TLPD next to each other. I just thought one of them might've been bugged.

  • @Mycenaea I know of a time TLPD's corpse didn't despawn for over 24 hours (bugged), and there's always private servers, so.... you have to remember private servers (and don't worry, I do, I look into things a lot and I've had a ton of tries of people claiming stuff from private servers - the 45 minute, and there are 3 i know of for sure, they're people who i've been swapping info with and talking to forever and they were just as surprised as I was hearing about it when it happened) :D

  • My silver Dragon says I've seen Vyragosa 21 times...FUCK!!!!!!!!