@leadpelletinass Yup, there is a company called DoDo, that made a Bell 206 that is amazing. It will simulate going through ETL, VNe, settling with power, and you can program in failures. Including Loss of tail rotor. Not sure it does stuck pedal, I'd have to check on that. They are working on a UH-1 that I'm sure is going to be revolutionary.
How does the CFI initiate the simulated engine failure? Also..isn't that dangerous? It seems like the improper timing or technique in an autorotation would result in slamming into the ground. In fixed wing training we don't have CFI's cutoff our throttle and tell us to land somewhere :/ But I don't know very much about helicopter training. That's why I'm asking.
@636Castle Huh, we did tons of simulated engine failures when I got my fixed wing. I even did one on my last insurance check out. But to answer your question, it is very controlled, for the most part. Whoever is initiating the Auto, whether it be CFI or student, will count it down saying 3...2....1....auto, and then you lower the collective and roll down the throttle on the word auto so that everyone is on the same page.
@jjsemperfi Oh no..we'd for sure do simulated failures, practice landing out approaches, etc. But nothing this crazy where you'd have to get down on some pavement somewhere. Was this a controlled airport? It sounded like automated information in the background. Last question: Don't you raise the collective in an autorotation towards the very end to get that last little bit of lift? How would that work for simulated autorotations? That's all out of me. :P
@636Castle Gottcha, this is KFNL in Loveland, Colorado. It's Class E to the surface. And that was AWOS in the background. You actually raise the collective to keep the rotor system from over speeding. In reality, the cyclic is used to flare the helicopter, and if you have to rely on the collective to actually slow the decent rate in the initial flare, you're done for. By the time the helicopter slows enough, all of rotors inertia has bled off and you'll splat the ground.
@leadpelletinass That's awesome though. I do a lot of flying on Microsoft Flight Sim for fun, and I used it a lot when I was taking my Instrument Ground class, really helped out a lot. Well I hope you can get in the air at some point, good luck. Oh, and we never practice tail rotor failures but all you would do is enter an autorotation if that happened. Now stuck pedals are a big trickier, you have to work the throttle and make a low power running landing in a way.
great video, thanks for sharing this. Its surprised me how fast the transition was between powered, and non powered flight. I guess you have to have very quick reactions if this happened for real.
Why do so many "helicopter experts" on you tube put so many negative comments on videos like this, for people like me who cannot afford to fly, these videos are a great way of sharing a little of the experience, and give a lot of enjoyment.
@aterv206 Not sure why there are so many people on youtube that hate other's videos. I'm glad you enjoy them though, that's why I make them. It's not as bad as it looks, although many pilot's have died because they just couldn't force the collective down and face the fact that they need to make an emergency landing via autorotation. But training like this helps. A couple months ago we had an engine failure and the instructor landed the helicopter with no damage. It does pay off.
@ijsHD Not sure I understand your question. This was just a practice autorotation, not a real emergency. The training is hard but fun. You get to the point, especially during your CFI, where you would give anything to just go fly rather than study all day.
@rsx123 it's called an autorotation. My instructor was testing me and caught me off guard with it. It's basically a practice emergency procedure where you transition from powered flight to un-powered flight. Fun stuff.
So the very first auto you did was a full down? That is dumb and dangerous. The reason for power recoveries is to teach you in steps, then introduce full downs. Sounds like your school has an accident coming. Let me guess, you're out of Utah?
Thanks, I was talking to my instructor yesterday about this video and the thing is, it's not even that good of an auto. If we did a full down, we would have been cocked to the right upon touchdown because I didn't add enough left pedal. Might not have turned out so well. But I do appreciate all of the comments. Practice makes better right?
A good instructor always throws in surprise systems failures when he feels the student is ready to handle them (without panicking). I remember I used to beg my instructor for stuck pedals, hydraulics failures, throttle chops, low RPMs etc. After a while, boy did he ever give me my money's worth.
That's very true. It is terrible trying to squeeze the cyclic with your legs, or switch hands and change freqs or something. That's why most all heli's are right hand pic just for that reason, because with hydraulics you don't have to hold the collective up and you can fiddle around with gps, freqs, and whatever else with your free left hand. But not in the 300 haha, you just have to change a freq fast, or get good at flying with your knees or your left hand lol.
Sitting in the right seat makes sense to me, in the robbys its pretty easy to switch freqs and such with the right hand and you are pretty close to the collective should the engine fail, it seem like a juggling act with sitting in the left seat.
i used to fly an f56 while i was in the GC seat with my friend in the PEE PEE seat and we took off about near 50 alt and went about 60 nots south and landed on a IC-U......and got out of the wacko pit.
The left seat is the PIC seat in the 300C because the fuel tank is located on the right side of the aircraft. If you tried flying solo in the right seat with full fuel, you would most likely find yourself out of CG.
@jjsemperfi interesting...my buddy learned how to fly in a hughes 300... they are the same, right?! gonna ask him how it is to be sitting on the "wrong" side, ha ha. thanks!
Haha, yup, my instructor thinks it's weird to sit in the left seat when he is doing CFI training because he has spent so much time in the right seat. I think it's weird to fly in the right seat because I've spent so much time in the left. I guess you get used to it, but it's still strange.
....annnddd..you've just lost your engine.... WTF! :O hehe too right he's sneaky. Mind you, a real life situation wouldn't wait for you to get all cosy. Nice flying!
I am curious if the MS flight sim or x-plane can simulate stuck pedals and apply the situation at a random time for training? ANYBODY?
leadpelletinass 5 days ago
@leadpelletinass Yup, there is a company called DoDo, that made a Bell 206 that is amazing. It will simulate going through ETL, VNe, settling with power, and you can program in failures. Including Loss of tail rotor. Not sure it does stuck pedal, I'd have to check on that. They are working on a UH-1 that I'm sure is going to be revolutionary.
jjsemperfi 4 days ago
How does the CFI initiate the simulated engine failure? Also..isn't that dangerous? It seems like the improper timing or technique in an autorotation would result in slamming into the ground. In fixed wing training we don't have CFI's cutoff our throttle and tell us to land somewhere :/ But I don't know very much about helicopter training. That's why I'm asking.
636Castle 6 days ago
@636Castle Huh, we did tons of simulated engine failures when I got my fixed wing. I even did one on my last insurance check out. But to answer your question, it is very controlled, for the most part. Whoever is initiating the Auto, whether it be CFI or student, will count it down saying 3...2....1....auto, and then you lower the collective and roll down the throttle on the word auto so that everyone is on the same page.
jjsemperfi 5 days ago
@jjsemperfi And if things don't look good, then the CFI just pulls the collective and power back in and they do a go around, no big deal.
jjsemperfi 5 days ago
@jjsemperfi You seem to be a very good flight instructor.nice initiation on auto sequence. stay safe!!
guardianipm 4 days ago
@guardianipm Oh I'm not a CFI yet, just doing CFI training. But thanks.
jjsemperfi 4 days ago
@jjsemperfi Oh no..we'd for sure do simulated failures, practice landing out approaches, etc. But nothing this crazy where you'd have to get down on some pavement somewhere. Was this a controlled airport? It sounded like automated information in the background. Last question: Don't you raise the collective in an autorotation towards the very end to get that last little bit of lift? How would that work for simulated autorotations? That's all out of me. :P
636Castle 5 days ago
@636Castle Gottcha, this is KFNL in Loveland, Colorado. It's Class E to the surface. And that was AWOS in the background. You actually raise the collective to keep the rotor system from over speeding. In reality, the cyclic is used to flare the helicopter, and if you have to rely on the collective to actually slow the decent rate in the initial flare, you're done for. By the time the helicopter slows enough, all of rotors inertia has bled off and you'll splat the ground.
jjsemperfi 4 days ago
@jjsemperfi Oh, nice! Very cool.
636Castle 4 days ago
@636Castle My CFI (fixed wing) frequently cuts the throttle... even during take off (9000ft+ runway).
TTDMFfreaknew 1 day ago
Two Thumbs UP!! Good Job on a safe a careful landing. I'm sure you made the CFI proud Many more times after this.
I'm wanting to learn also but cannot afford it so next best thing is flight sim with as accurate as I can muster controls.
Curious if you have also practiced loss of tail rotor control or any other situation either live or on a sim?
leadpelletinass 6 days ago
@leadpelletinass That's awesome though. I do a lot of flying on Microsoft Flight Sim for fun, and I used it a lot when I was taking my Instrument Ground class, really helped out a lot. Well I hope you can get in the air at some point, good luck. Oh, and we never practice tail rotor failures but all you would do is enter an autorotation if that happened. Now stuck pedals are a big trickier, you have to work the throttle and make a low power running landing in a way.
jjsemperfi 5 days ago
great video, thanks for sharing this. Its surprised me how fast the transition was between powered, and non powered flight. I guess you have to have very quick reactions if this happened for real.
Why do so many "helicopter experts" on you tube put so many negative comments on videos like this, for people like me who cannot afford to fly, these videos are a great way of sharing a little of the experience, and give a lot of enjoyment.
aterv206 1 week ago
@aterv206 Not sure why there are so many people on youtube that hate other's videos. I'm glad you enjoy them though, that's why I make them. It's not as bad as it looks, although many pilot's have died because they just couldn't force the collective down and face the fact that they need to make an emergency landing via autorotation. But training like this helps. A couple months ago we had an engine failure and the instructor landed the helicopter with no damage. It does pay off.
jjsemperfi 1 week ago
Was the theoretical and praktical difficult? Was the training hard? Nice video by the way! :D
ijsHD 1 week ago
@ijsHD Not sure I understand your question. This was just a practice autorotation, not a real emergency. The training is hard but fun. You get to the point, especially during your CFI, where you would give anything to just go fly rather than study all day.
jjsemperfi 1 week ago
What happened in this video?
rsx123 1 week ago
@rsx123 it's called an autorotation. My instructor was testing me and caught me off guard with it. It's basically a practice emergency procedure where you transition from powered flight to un-powered flight. Fun stuff.
jjsemperfi 1 week ago
So the very first auto you did was a full down? That is dumb and dangerous. The reason for power recoveries is to teach you in steps, then introduce full downs. Sounds like your school has an accident coming. Let me guess, you're out of Utah?
jjsemperfi 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Thanks, I was talking to my instructor yesterday about this video and the thing is, it's not even that good of an auto. If we did a full down, we would have been cocked to the right upon touchdown because I didn't add enough left pedal. Might not have turned out so well. But I do appreciate all of the comments. Practice makes better right?
jjsemperfi 1 week ago
@jjsemperfi all we do at my school is full touch dowm autos just recently i did a few power recoveries they gay and pointless
chopperdude407 1 week ago
A good instructor always throws in surprise systems failures when he feels the student is ready to handle them (without panicking). I remember I used to beg my instructor for stuck pedals, hydraulics failures, throttle chops, low RPMs etc. After a while, boy did he ever give me my money's worth.
CrazyHeliDude 1 week ago
Nicely done :)
PhantomMark 4 weeks ago
That's very true. It is terrible trying to squeeze the cyclic with your legs, or switch hands and change freqs or something. That's why most all heli's are right hand pic just for that reason, because with hydraulics you don't have to hold the collective up and you can fiddle around with gps, freqs, and whatever else with your free left hand. But not in the 300 haha, you just have to change a freq fast, or get good at flying with your knees or your left hand lol.
jjsemperfi 1 month ago
Sitting in the right seat makes sense to me, in the robbys its pretty easy to switch freqs and such with the right hand and you are pretty close to the collective should the engine fail, it seem like a juggling act with sitting in the left seat.
22640cal 1 month ago
@22640cal make that switch freqs with the left hand
22640cal 1 month ago
i used to fly an f56 while i was in the GC seat with my friend in the PEE PEE seat and we took off about near 50 alt and went about 60 nots south and landed on a IC-U......and got out of the wacko pit.
zurkturk13 1 month ago
That GC seat is no good man. Only girls and gays sit there.
jjsemperfi 1 month ago
@zurkturk13 wow r u stupid!
centerra100 3 weeks ago
Nice work on that auto.
ulaheli 1 month ago
Very smooth auto. Well done!
9697873 1 month ago
why is the instructor on the right?! I thought the instructor is always on the left...thats how I learned how to fly... R22
TheNeavissa 1 month ago
The left seat is the PIC seat in the 300C because the fuel tank is located on the right side of the aircraft. If you tried flying solo in the right seat with full fuel, you would most likely find yourself out of CG.
jjsemperfi 1 month ago
@jjsemperfi interesting...my buddy learned how to fly in a hughes 300... they are the same, right?! gonna ask him how it is to be sitting on the "wrong" side, ha ha. thanks!
TheNeavissa 1 month ago
Haha, yup, my instructor thinks it's weird to sit in the left seat when he is doing CFI training because he has spent so much time in the right seat. I think it's weird to fly in the right seat because I've spent so much time in the left. I guess you get used to it, but it's still strange.
jjsemperfi 1 month ago
@jjsemperfi I think I would never get used to the right seat, lol... but you never know!
TheNeavissa 1 month ago
@TheNeavissa keep in mind...the r22 is not a helicopter. its a homobile
centerra100 3 weeks ago
@centerra100 it takes a homo to see a homo...
TheNeavissa 3 weeks ago
Nice job.
weredoomed 1 month ago
Very smooth auto rotaation. Extremely different of R-22.
yurimpala 1 month ago
Thanks. I just started flying an R44 and it is a lot different than the 300. The low inertia rotor system warrants a keen eye.
jjsemperfi 1 month ago
Very clean auto. Nice work
rjardy 2 months ago
Nice Auto buddy. You F'in nailed it!
Quillons1 2 months ago
md 600
kz4506 2 months ago
Great auto, thanks for sharing!
yellowcub86 2 months ago
Thanks for this video being less noisy than others... What kind of helicopter did you use???
lkdjsnvlmksd 2 months ago
good job
last1in 3 months ago
Got to love the engine chops. well done man
Napalm890 6 months ago
....annnddd..you've just lost your engine.... WTF! :O hehe too right he's sneaky. Mind you, a real life situation wouldn't wait for you to get all cosy. Nice flying!
TachyonDriver 8 months ago