Bioware: Masters of Storytelling: Part III

[megapimpsword]

In early 2012, the TORtanic, largest ship afloat, left Southampton, England on her maiden voyage to New York City. Four days into her journey, at 11:40 P.M. on the night of January 14, she struck an iceberg. Her fireman compared the sound of the impact to "the tearing of calico, nothing more." However, the collision was fatal and the icy water soon poured through the ship. One thousand five hundred twenty-two passengers and crew were lost.

[BoyofmanyNames]

THE CRAPPY ANIMATIONS ARE A FEATURE! I'M ENJOYING IT!

[mord3030]

Bioware just simply didn't even try. They had all the money ($300 million) and all the development time (6 years) they needed... and they didn't even try.

It's pathetic. It almost makes me believe the rumours that this is a pump and dump to try and fleece as much money as they can before EA starts either dismantling Bioware or begins filing for bankruptcy (they are currently running on a loss and have been since 2007).

[beebeembopp]

300 MILLION US DOLLARS

[MyHirogen]

@beebeembopp Not enough, that is just for the box copy.

[sangyuni96]

what is this

and why are they speaking Korean

[mahgellin3]

@sangyuni96

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[sangyuni96]

worst Korea? so this is from North Korea?

[DarthWario]

I was just wondering, how often do those kind of cut scenes occur in B+S? Every quest, just story quests? I was just wondering as to judge just how valid a comparison this is.

Also, and this is probably a stupid question, but do you know how long those cut scenes take to load? Again, just thinking for comparisons.

Then again, would I take a longer load time to stop my character drawing an invisible gun constantly on SWTOR...I probably would.

To sate my own internal questions. :)

[pablorod82]

@DarthWario Search for the first 35min of gameplay of this game. It has more cutscenes than combat

[Woth3n]

@DarthWario

Would you take over 9000 trash cutscenes over 20 awesome ones?

To sate my own internal question. ;)

[pudgeypigeon]

@DarthWario cutscenes load instantly, however you get em every couple of quests but they are epic as all hell cutscenes

[WhereisthatFlyingbox]

That TOR cutscene reminded me of something simple that a kid could rig in 3d Movie Maker.

[intorpere]

TOR is ridiculously amateurish, but still, you could have used a clip that had some dialogue at least. Maybe one of the many cutscenes where the player is just standing face to face with a quest giver, yammering on and on, while neither of them moves for five minutes straight.

[TheGraveyarder]

i like how TOR's CGI cutscenes are fucking the best thing i've seen in my life

but the ingame cutscenes make me wanna wish they never made SWTOR to begin with

$300m budget my ass

[CalBro]

That does it, the only solution to this problem is to introduce slave labour into the video game industry.

[Aljeron100]

Asian developers making better cinematics than the West? Yeah.. everyone knows that hence why we have the god-awful FFXIII. -_-

[OhmRice]

250 MILLION DOLLARS

[Blahblahblaafmn]

Lol, as always someone picks out a particularly impressive cutscene from a game and compares it to a shitty scene from a game with hundreds of cutscenes. Ah, but this is of course nothing but 4channers from /v/ in their usual idiocy. SWTOR has shit animations and shit dialogue at times, but it's an MMO for god's sake. Oh, and we all know everyone that commented on this video that brainlessly bashes Bioware in favor of this is just a weeaboo. Both games are flawed. Get over it.

[NoSpoonForYou]

@Blahblahblaafmn Blade & Soul is also an MMO.

[b1uwave]

@CannibalShinobi 3/10 -- had me going for a second.

[CannibalShinobi]

@b1uwave 3/10?

[thirdangletheory]

No Yakety Sax?

[Jackelbeaver]

yeah great some shitty anime baby shit where they zip arround like a dbz character. Completely invalidates entire channel. I don't think star wars is super great but jesus don't pull out anime shit you fool. you foolish fool.

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Biodrone afraid of animu detected.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK i'm not really into bioware i was linked this video. i like when i'm watching something that doesn't make me feel embarassed. like...an actual movie, with people in it instead of stupid cartoon shit.

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Haha, what? "Actual movies" still aren't very good at special effects and rely on CGI for any meaningful impact.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK Remember when movies used to use Practical Effects? Those were the days.

Oh boy flying invincible children. Who gives a fuck about a movie like Terminator 2 or Jurassic Park when I can watch a stupid looking teenage anime girl do stupid anime shit that doesn't have any bearing on reality?

Guess I'll just play Red Dead Redemption and Uncharted 3. Too bad it doesn't have invincible flying anime children being "supa-badazz". That would really improve things.

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Terminator 2? Jurassic Park? Console shit like RDR and Uncharted 3?

Way to dig your own grave there.



[Imonlyherefortheporn]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK Okay, back the fuck up, did you really just diss Uncharted 3 and Red Dead Redemption? As a PC/PS3 owner, I cannot stress enough how fucking aspergers you look right now for knocking two amazing games just because they're "console crap".

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Imonlyherefortheporn They're not amazing games, though. RDR is your typical bland as fuck console sandbox, and don't get me started on On-rails scripted sequence 3.

[Imonlyherefortheporn]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK You are seriously looking through some mad PC Goggles. 

[Jackelbeaver]

@Imonlyherefortheporn oh man, dont forget how he/she also dissed some of the best action movies of the last few decades!!! fuck that kingdom hearts is better than Judgement Day. it has children flying around and being important to nothing.

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver When did I mention Kingdom Hearts...?

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK you didn't, I was making a comparison. thats what that is.

[Milennin]

@Jackelbeaver Not sure if you're incredibly stupid, or just trolling.

Obviously this video isn't meant to be for idiots to be yelling "omfg i hate anime it shud burn in hell!!!111"... It's obviously a comparison of cinematic quality between 2 ingame cutscenes from modern MMO's.

.

You don't even try to see, you're just yelling "but i hate flying anime chars whaaa whaaaa". Go cry some more, but just stay away from emberassing yourself any further on here.

[Jackelbeaver]

@Milennin Well theres also the poor texturework on the models, shitty edged loops, and jittery silted animation that has nothing to do with "it being anyme"

[Bananamantotherescue]

@Jackelbeaver hey man, pst. Delete those xtranormal animations of yours, I can't take your professional animation criticism seriously anymore.

[Jackelbeaver]

@Bananamantotherescue haha fuck you i will never delete that fucking garbage :)::):):):):))))

[Jackelbeaver]

@Bananamantotherescue better response: oh no gotta protect MY CRED if someone sees some dumb shit i did for yucks that i dont give a fuck about i might not have a leg to stand on in a debate between BIOWER and ANIME!!!!! :( :(

[Bananamantotherescue]

@Jackelbeaver Did I hit a nerve there? Chill. I just thought you might've uploaded some of your WIP or sketches being an "animator" that you are. But there was only "that fucking garbage". So I leave you with your opinion on animation of "BIOWAR and ANIME". Good day to you.

[Jackelbeaver]

@Bananamantotherescue when i was a child soldier i fought in the biowars. honk HONK :o)

[AmerikanRejekt]

@Jackelbeaver You don't have ANY fucking right to be honking up in here, brother. Do:

[Jackelbeaver]

@AmerikanRejekt :o(

[Jackelbeaver]

@AmerikanRejekt bro dont honk with me, honk honk. *and then he fell down some stairs*

[beebeembopp]

@Jackelbeaver

SW:TOR doesn't even HAVE textures. And Bioware still managed to give them texture pop-in

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK hey did you know that you can use a console controller on pc games sometimes?

Hey y'know what game had really cool cutscenes was Starcraft 2!

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Yes, I'm well aware of that-I even use a console controller myself for certain titles. What does that have to do with anything?

You know what game was a horrible sequel? Starcraft 2! Citing pre-rendered cutscenes does not help your case, by the way, it's a given that those will look better most of the time, unless you have a hideously incompetent team like Bioware at the reins(See: The Dragon Age 2 "Anime" movie that just plasters a toon filter on the horrible models).

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK why are we still talking about bioware i dont give a fuck about bioware.

Starcraft 2 has lots of in engine cutscenes, but that doesnt really have to do with my point.

Hey y'know what has good animation? portal 2.

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver You know how much relevance this has to the video? None!

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK I dont like it when its abunch of stupid cgi stunts in the fucking GI Joe movie either. that ff7 advent children style shit is stupid. "oh great these characters are basically invincible stupid assholes i guess the fight doesnt have any stakes does it? why should i care about this at all?"

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Because it looks cool, of course.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK Oh. it looks cool? oh thank god. I guess now I can relax. *loads up System of a Down on his ipod and hangs up some Naruto posters* time to anime!!!

[allmartyrs]

@Jackelbeaver You know, I honestly despise 99% of the Anime crap out there. But that IS a decent cutscence, one that envokes some tension and a feeling besides "where's esc to skip this eye cancer inducing abortion that bores me to hell"?

Also: In a galaxy far, far away no one ever recieves marksman training.

[Jackelbeaver]

@allmartyrs i dont care about bioware but also that anime cutscene is stupid and made for teenagers :/ (pass!)

[Razeluxe01]

@Jackelbeaver it's a cutscene vs. cutscene. Doesn't matter where it comes from, fact is one just looks more professional than the other. (Just so you can understand, the first one is what I'm talking about)

[Jackelbeaver]

@Razeluxe01 it still isnt good animation. everything looks really flimsy and the models are shit. (lets talk about games with ACTUAL good animation instead of either of these!!)

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver Why? You can go elsewhere for that sort of thing.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK Where stupid shit is concerned I will always go elsewhere. (As a 3D animator this is a really shitty scene. The Bioware one is really lazy and bad but the anime one is not good either. It's aggressively amateur.)

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver For somebody who keeps saying he'll go elsewhere, you seem extremely anxious to get the last word in on me. Nobody said it was "The best", but it's certainly good by ingame MMO standards. Are you a 3D animator for games, by the way?

[moralreef]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK ok i have a suggestion for you. download the game "berkley shut up and jam gaiden" and save your game by walking up to the gas pump and read what he says. its very important you read what the gas pump says.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK nope not good. look at how fidgety that badlady is when she's talking. Also its kind of generic and shitty in other ways. Being an mmo doesn't even factor into it, since you can just throw fmv into an mmo if you want. There can be limitations to the toolset they are using to animate in real time. Also 3d animator yes but thats all you get ssshhhh secrets....

[KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK]

@Jackelbeaver I'll just defer to the other guy for the time being on this remark.

[Jackelbeaver]

@KawaiiDesuNekoBCSK I saw your removed comment in my email: "@Jackelbeaver As the other guy said, just about anyone with a critical eye can notice those flaws, Mr. Animator." Being able to spot something blatantly obvious doesnt mean anything? How does me being an animator have anything to do with people being able to call out something that's shitty? like no duh, it fucking sucks. I'm glad other people agree with me. did you think through what you typed before saying it?

[kazumi399]

@Jackelbeaver I hope you are trolling.

Blade & Soul cutscene has a much more rich photography, the voices sound more lively and the characters, in their own context behave and move in a more natural way.

I may not know korean, but the tone of their voices, camera angles, ambientation and facial and body language leads me to believe that I'm witnessing a very stressing situation, thus I can enjoy it and have an idea of what's going on.

[Jackelbeaver]

@kazumi399 Voice Acting has nothing to do with quality of animation. That's like saying a cartoon is good because you thought the theme song was awesome. :-|

its shitty and stilted animation, just the bit of the black haired girl talking has really awkward jerky movements.  the facial morphing on the girl at the start is really poor, its pretty obvious they dont understand how to lay out loops based on all that fucking shadow stretching arround the cheeks....(cont)

[kazumi399]

@Jackelbeaver This comment is better than the flying asians one from earlier.

This debate would have never started if you said that since the start because indeed, the faces are creepy animated, probably because Hyung-tae Kim it's kinda hard to translate to 3D without messing it up, his faces are kinda flat.

[Jackelbeaver]

@kazumi399 And on a personal level I'm not a fan of scenes where physics and laws of motion do not apply. Like really shitty wire-fu movies. (there are good wire-fu movies but there are alot of really fucking awful ones too)

[doginthemafia]

@kazumi399 holy shit either a dedicated biodrone or obvious viral. you decide

[kazumi399]

@Jackelbeaver Star Wars one is not only terrible animated, but the camera is being used like if it was some high school kids filming their school project, characters behave abnormally and judging by other cutscenes they talk like if they were just reading their dialogue. I can't believe this was done by people who are professionals, while Blade & Soul is the first game of Team Bloodlust.

I really doubt you are an "animator", because any artfag can come up with this analysis and see the flaws.

[Jackelbeaver]

@kazumi399 ....??? i think both are shit. when did i ever say i thought the star wars old republic cutscene was any good at all? are you just making shit up?

seriously do you think I was saying Bioware did a good job? Both of these are shit, for different reasons, but they are both crap.

and yes I'm a 3D animator.  I'm also a 2D animator but I dont get to use those skills for work. :(

[Cstyle12]

@kazumi399 you should know

[vidyagaymelive]

holy shit my sides

[Lemileant]

"third world doubloons"

"doubloons"

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[weakvids]

Please do more of these. Bioware's cutscene direction is hilariously terrible.

[Afterburnzz]

Okay, why do they stop like that? YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO STOP LIKE THAT. NO ONE STOPS RUNNING LIKE THAT. WHAT THE HELL, BIOWARE