The head position being to low was not his problem. look at videos of Johnny miller , Gary player , Arnold Palmer same head position . You will see the slight roundness in their upper back . That position frees up the upper body. That was the swing of it time. It worked well then and it works well now .
Well, he and Jack Grout thought it was his problem. I would agree (and so would they) that a slight roundness in the upper back is a natural bodily attitude in a golf swing, and he had that slight rounding even when he stood a little taller.
What he was talking about was a little bit of slumping too much and a lot of bending too far from the hips and being overconcerned with taking the club back on a theoretical geometrically straight line, which separated arm plane from the body rotation so much that it became unmanageable and led to steeper and steeper path and increasingly glancing contact (usually toward the toe).
his head only swivels it never leaves a fixed spot until after the ball is long gone.Try turning into your back swing with and without a head swivel and tell decide which you prefer form a swing perspective.This guy was the best because every swing was the same and his arms were connected to his upper torso throughout,even the "Flying Right" elbow is great now that we know it keeps the club straight up and down -TGM.He pulls with left and pushes with the right arms/shoulders-never explained
As for the "flying elbow," it never actually did, at least not on his good swings, and he didn't intend for it to. It swung free _behind_ him with all that extension of the arms and club, but it pointed downward and generally left the forearm approximately parallel with the spine, which is sort of a biomechanical checkpoint for an efficient swing. These guys were still thinking about Vardon when they accused him of the FRE.
If you look at his changes in '79-'80, he says specifically that he'd been hanging out and over too much at address with the upper body, and that his head would start out too low. One of the pillars of his retooling was to stand taller at address and keep his chin up. So in other words...good catch, you nailed it. ;-) (Unfortunately, he did depart from that later on, and had problems with that "lift" in the backswing again.)
Jack's swing is very similar to Tony Lema's. The old school swings are great.
1tontomato 2 months ago
his two best moves are keeping the clubhead low on the take away , and his opening of the hips,man he could hit it straight
TomH001 3 months ago
The head position being to low was not his problem. look at videos of Johnny miller , Gary player , Arnold Palmer same head position . You will see the slight roundness in their upper back . That position frees up the upper body. That was the swing of it time. It worked well then and it works well now .
sifurick123 6 months ago
@sifurick123
Well, he and Jack Grout thought it was his problem. I would agree (and so would they) that a slight roundness in the upper back is a natural bodily attitude in a golf swing, and he had that slight rounding even when he stood a little taller.
emncaity 4 months ago
@sifurick123
What he was talking about was a little bit of slumping too much and a lot of bending too far from the hips and being overconcerned with taking the club back on a theoretical geometrically straight line, which separated arm plane from the body rotation so much that it became unmanageable and led to steeper and steeper path and increasingly glancing contact (usually toward the toe).
emncaity 4 months ago
Still cannot believe that era is over. Sucks.
emncaity 1 year ago
his head only swivels it never leaves a fixed spot until after the ball is long gone.Try turning into your back swing with and without a head swivel and tell decide which you prefer form a swing perspective.This guy was the best because every swing was the same and his arms were connected to his upper torso throughout,even the "Flying Right" elbow is great now that we know it keeps the club straight up and down -TGM.He pulls with left and pushes with the right arms/shoulders-never explained
secretogolf 1 year ago
@secretogolf
Yup, the swivel...Snead did it too, among others.
As for the "flying elbow," it never actually did, at least not on his good swings, and he didn't intend for it to. It swung free _behind_ him with all that extension of the arms and club, but it pointed downward and generally left the forearm approximately parallel with the spine, which is sort of a biomechanical checkpoint for an efficient swing. These guys were still thinking about Vardon when they accused him of the FRE.
emncaity 11 months ago
also lifted his head quite a bit going back, so he probably did keep it too low at address
stevepising 1 year ago
Kept his head quite low didn't he? Worked better than anyone of course, but still looks like thats what caused the grief later on...
kiwijohn01 2 years ago
@kiwijohn01
If you look at his changes in '79-'80, he says specifically that he'd been hanging out and over too much at address with the upper body, and that his head would start out too low. One of the pillars of his retooling was to stand taller at address and keep his chin up. So in other words...good catch, you nailed it. ;-) (Unfortunately, he did depart from that later on, and had problems with that "lift" in the backswing again.)
emncaity 11 months ago