Thank goodness those security people (including the dean of students, who should have nothing to do with the checking of the security cameras) are fighting terrorists. What? They're not? Duh! Wait and see how fast school cameras become part of the ILLEGAL "Total Information Awareness Office"s assets. The "elite" want security for themselves to extend everywhere in YOUR lives. I hate to say this, but if someone kicks the c**p out of the "dean", maybe the next one will think twice.
''A warrant to from a court to watch the videotape, because of a murder'' - Cenk. That was perfect put, just put the cameras up there, but your not allowed to watch for some dumb as reason
I am curiouse as to what we are going to do when we eventually develope technology that reads thoughts imagine a device that monitors negative thoughts placed everywhere maybe then we could prevent crimes before they happened ???or we can arrest people for unchristian thoughts.
my school has camaras in all the halls and out side. its already helped atleast once that i know of. it might have helped me when i bike was stolen from school grounds but the camara was offline for whatever reason :( i dont even think schools are public cuz at my school they dont even like it if parents walk around in the school. they tell them to wait in the office, idk im canadian it might be diff down there
They are talking about my girlfriend on this video. It's highschool there are few criminals. we live in one of the safest towns in WA. have the highest curriculum & have a great reputation, cameras should be in the hallway, they should not be taken out of the school, SHE WAS SEVENTEEN, without parents consent there is no arguing this case. It's just the way the law is, she was a minor. Its been 2 years and cameras remain placed in the school, but only for regulating school behavior in the halls.
Terrorism is like a mask for the agenda of big brother to impose policies to the point of monitoring your life 24/7. It's now the issue of what they are going to do with the footage, and the consequences set forth in the name of national/social security. Giving up personal privacy for national security of monitoring your actions is not the way to personal freedom. There should be a balance. Good debate.
I think we need cameras certain places but not others. Like if a camera was by the door, I'd be cool with that, so we can see who is coming in and out. But I don't really like the idea of cameras being all through the halls and in classrooms. It seems a bit excessive. The reason gas stations have cameras is for a few reasons, mainly so people don't steal gas or try to rob them, I have no problem with that.
The UK is the most camera'd up country in the world, in London the average person is filmed 300 times during the course of a normal day and this is despite the fact research by the government showed that CCTV does not prevent crime - welcome to Orwell country people!
How can you prove something that you don't know. Like how can you know how much MORE crime would be committed if the cameras weren't there. But it does prove one thing! That some criminals are so stupid to be caught by the cameras anyway.
i don't like the fact that the teacher suspected it and then found it. if he wouldn't of suspected it, they never would have been found. stupid teacher. (btw no gay peeps)
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anouther problem is when a parent showed up at school to pick up daughter, he had a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket (unopened) and the school cop arrested him for the cigarettes, but dropped charges after seeing it was unopened. I think schools are distracted by all the other crap and not doing the real job. Also kids act differently when they know they are on cam, and how bad would a pedophile want access to the tapes?
i cant wait till they put cameras in the bathroom, their defense will be "if your doing nothing wrong and got nothing to hide then you wouldnt oppose" i just cannot wait till they try to impose cameras in bathrooms
No your wrong, this girl had her privacy invaded for making out with another girl. She wasn't doing anything illegal and her privacy was not respected
Lol I went to Kopachuck and would have gone to GHHS if I hadn't moved out of state in 7th grade. Weird to see a school from my old town being talked about on TYT.
and conservatives will say, "if you dont like it here in the USA, then get the fuck out." thats their attitude. how bout we dont get the fuck out, and make them get the fuck out and get our freedoms back and restore this country to the way it should be
The problem isn't the fucking surveillance camera. The problem is the retard Dean who used it for his own retarded purposes. I don't understand Cenk on this one....why not have surveillance cameras on school property? It could help with thefts, vandalism, drug use and assaults. The problem in this situation was that it was used by some Holier than Thou jackass for his purposes...but generally speaking I think cameras in schools are a useful thing.
The part that I do agree with Cenk on is the end when he suggests the elaborate system requiring a court order to review surveillance material. I think that idea is a sufficient, law-based concept for keeping jackasses like that Dean from corrupting good intentions. I think it's a much better concept than the way it is now, and perhaps better than scrapping the idea of surveillance all together.
I wonder if that student Dean called little Sheila's parents to tell them that she was making out with her boyfriend? Or little Jimmy's parents to tell them he was making out with his girlfriend? No, huh. Its just the gay kids that aren't allowed to make out on school grounds.
If you're in favor of public surveillance, please Google "Panopticon."
Then, do a search on the Christian origin of the American penitentiary system & its early history to find out what happens to people who feel they are being watched all the time.
To sum it up, the usual result is paranoid psychosis.
All those cameras are used for other reasons then what they should. It's very hard to find out if they are used in the "proper way", that's the only reason there aren't more of these stories.
My school has cameras, but the administration and such is pretty good with what they use them for. Usually it's to catch kids doing drugs or bullying each other, but one time after all the Gay Straight Alliance's posters were taken down, they used to cameras and saw it was a janitor that did it.
A public school is private property. There would not be trespassing signs if it were pulblic property. This dean went overboard because he alerted her parents. However, if they wanted to comb through surveilance tapes looking for drug deals that is a perfectly legitimate use of surveilance data.
I agree to a certain point but the school that I work at is in a high crime neighborhood where many gang members and drug dealers are students so I do feel we need hallway cams in that situation.
im am restricted in no way from doing anything i would other wise do in my normal course of events if 1 or a million cameras were watching me like they said if they were trying to force them in peoples homes that would be a different story and i would lead the malita
Then you won't mind your own personal police officer following you around 24/7, even in the bathroom, watching everything you say and read and noting who you talk to and about what. And anything the least bit suspicious gets you hauled in for questioning. Surveillance states mistakenly arrest lots of people so that is the problem.
How can you say you are free if your every step is registered, if whatever you do is monitored. no one should have that kind of power, humanity is by no means virtuous and we would soon use this as a method of control, be it the state, as a tool of subjugation, or an omnipresent moral eye which smites you for doing what "isnt proper", as happened in the school. its not a matter of what criminals we could find, but how soon this would become a burden on those being regulated by the all seeing eye
You're fucking stupid. You are giving up your privacy. The cameras could be abused. Would you like someone spying on those personal moments with your children? With your husband/wife? How about those embarassing moments. What if they started their own sick websites posting you in personal situations?
Remember, this life isn't a fairy tale. People WILL abuse things.
look how quickly you resort to insults GIVING UP WHAT PRIVACY IN PUBLIC if you've read any of my previous comments you would know that in a public setting this is perfectly ok on private property it should be up to the owner WHAT I ASK IS WRONG WITH THAT
ABUSE IT, AND WHERE DON'T YOU FIND THIS MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY CAMERAS AND CELL PHONES AFTER ALL PEOPLE ABUSE THOSE, AND DON'T FOR GET COMPUTERS, AND GUNS PEOPLE ABUSE THOSE ALL THE TIME
Let me try to clarify your statement, Are you trying to say, that in public, you have no privacy? And then try to compare computers and cell phones, which both have laws that sanction against illegal use, to cameras in public areas? Damn, I didn't know people as dumb as you existed.
well my school had plenty of cameras caught a couple of students breaking in and stealing computers, also caught a female janitor that tried the same thing never violated my privacy because i never had any in a PUBLIC setting
maybe those lessies should have saved it for another venue
seriously? what the hell is wrong with monitoring everyone, if your not doing anything wrong then you got NOTHING to worry about. only criminals and law breakers worry not the innocent
but dude, this will happen. no duh right? but saying there should be no cameras in the puplic is rediculous. because i GUARANTEE you that people will take advantage of them not being there.
cenek and blondie are being retarded and paranoid. its time to be modern and realistic.
eventually there will be only like a few diff. governments. cameras will be everywhere.
now i hate my rights being infringed on as much as the next guy but this is a public or private school (both apropriate)
they had NO expectation of anything
the good out weigh the bad the bad being you feeling uncomfortable being watched vs a criminal being caught and how does due process enter this relm do you even know what that is??? your not under persecution just because a camera is pointed in your direction no due process
>> the good out weigh the bad the bad being you feeling uncomfortable being watched vs a criminal being caught and how does due process enter this relm
Simple...it's called the 4th Amendment. It clearly states that a search (and yes, I consider surveillance a form search) is reasonable only when a crime, or imminent potential for the commission of a crime has been identified, AND that this is been spelled out in a request for a warrant, AND the warrant has been granted by the court.
well the LAW DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU CONSIDER IT ONLY APPLIES TO WHAT IS AND SURVEILLANCE ISN'T AND REQUIRES NO WARRANT TALK TO THE FAMILIES OF MURDER VICTIMS WHO GOT JUSTICE IMPART DUE TO PROPER SURVEILLANCE
BEING WATCHED ISN'T BEING PATTED DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD I'VE HAD BOTH DONE TO ME!!!!!!
The student body should be given access to recordings of the goings on in the faculty room. A "terrorist" could much more easily pose as a teacher than a student, no? I want to see Ms. Schlausinger blowing Mr. Healy in the men's room in the lounge. Or is national security just not that important, Mrs. Schlausinger, you naughty li'l' hottie?
what about if the dean of students already saved the footage of the girls making out and waited for her to act up in class or at school. then, he would tell the parents about it. this way he could already be monitoring all student activity and saving the offences for a better time.
Survilleance should only be used against people who are breaking the law, not to for other less noble purposes, as that is only something an authoritarian society allows.
Woah that was in Gig Harbor? I live in seattle, I would have heard of that. but I havent heard of anything like that on the news. i'm going to send this link to my local news and see what they do.
people will abuse it because they lose sight of the real reason that those protections are in place. Cenk had a great idea on making a system so that no one could abuse the system already in place. The video cameras should not be used as a preventative aid to stop crime or detect it; they should only be used after a crime has been commited and witnessed as a way of providing evidence for the prosecution.
PedobearMansion's I was referring to PUBLIC places, (schools, streets, buildings, parking lots, parks), not PRIVATE places such as homes. Actually if you want to see my big fat hairy ass take a good look! LOL
Those that would give up liberty for freedom deserve neither.
I'm getting the fuck out of the US after 4 years. Full scholarship for uni for now, but I'll probably go to med school in Australia (going like US too, though,) China, Canada, or Japan.
Already did, but your comment brought me back. Kind of stupid, eh?
If you have something relevant to say, then please share. I dropped a quote by Benjamin Franklin, a man who had a good idea of what America could be. Now it's turning into a police state, whether you see that or not. No time for a debate now, and I'm not trying to spark a flamewar. Just putting that out there.
I actually did live abroad during part of Bush's presidency because of how things were going. I came back in '07, but haven't ruled out going overseas again if Obama can't straighten things out.
Why not? It would have been fine if she wasn't a lesbian... There's no reason to think she shouldn't be doing that at school. School is not about controlling people, it's about educating people. Let the students do what they want, as long as it's not illegal.
Security cameras have their pluses and minuses and I think it's beholden to the person who owns the property to decide if it's of value. In public places I don't think cameras should be allowed unless they feel it's a high risk crime area to protect public safety. Cameras are really just an extension of the police and I don't think anyone would care if a police cruiser was parked outside a public library or Dunkin Donuts.
doesnt every civilized school have hallway cameras? no one is watching them 24-7. they're there recording just incase something DID happen or there was suspicion that something had happened, THEN they could go back and check the tapes to confirm
Jayar is right. The police are only allowed to search and seize with a warrant... and we trust them to do that. If they do so without a warrant, the evidence is thrown out. But we can't say "we can't have a police force because they might search somebody without a warrant." Put the things in place, make the rules, and let a judge decide how to use them, that's how it works.
In order for democracy to work we have to trust people. In order for ANY system to work we have to trust people.
Also, i can set up cameras all around my house, observe the street, observe the neighbors across the street, or on the other side of the back yard. Nobody else has any say in what i can or cannot do with the light rays that come in my property
My school has security cameras in all of the hallways.
One time I was walking with my friend to one of his classes during lunch because he had to drop off some homework. The teacher wasn't there but he left the work on her desk.
A week later I was called down to the office by campus security and told that I was suspected of stealing money from the teacher. They told me I would have to go to court.
Luckily I was able to get out of it quickly, but my friend had a harder time of it.
My school is filled with cameras. No one ever checks the tapes though. They are mainly there to scare people, but everyone's figured out already that they're mostly fake domes.
On the last point, at schools I've gone to, some WAS always watching the cameras. You could go there sometime late, maybe a school event. If you stood outside long enough, someone would come out of the office to ask why you were there.
accepting 11000+ deaths annually above (!) the western average for peoples right to own guns, also about 40000 for cars and badly regulated traffic, but for a few dozen cases possibly being easier to persecute (not prevented!) you are willing to accept a police state and being watched everywhere you go?
I went to a high school where we had cameras everywhere and police officers that brought in drug dogs once a week, it was nazi germany in allen texas...They used the cameras all the time to catch people with truancy and smoking cigarettes, I know because they caught me smoking like that once before
I should of mentioned in my other comment, the cameras at my old high school Allen High School are EVERYWHERE inside there with a huge surveillance room, they can zoom in and out on faces automatically if there is low traffic on the screen, and they cover LITERALLY every inch of the high school, any place that would be considered AHS ground has a fuckin camera to record what happens. And if you want to see a guy in a penis suit run through my high school, just type in allen high school penis sui
It is good to see young people paying attention to our rights. Obama just made the patriot act permanent. Everybody seems to want to take a right somewhere. We neet to be aware and resist the striping of our rights. All of them, not just what we personally agree with.
I love the compromise that Cenk made at the end of the video. I mean, Jayar essentially makes a good Charlton Heston point - 'cameras don't abuse privacy, apes with cameras abuse privacy!' But in the end, I'm on Cenk and Ana's side about this, so I love the compromise idea proposed at the end.
Check out a new DVD release, "Look." The storyline is told entirely through surveillance cameras. There are some nice 'changing room' scenes at the beginning... ;) However, the movie really gets one thinking about how much we are watched by Big Brother. Average person gets filmed 200X a day.
Dude, what kind of pervert are you ??? Ah, you are an arab that worships that genocide-loving pedophile named Muhammad ... I guess that explains your behavior.
If we put surveillance cameras on the politicians as well, you can bet that law will change real quickly.
As long as those powers are there, people will misuse them. That's why those things shouldn't be allowed in the first place. And Bush is an idiot, and I hope Obama has the common sense to reverse his idiotic legislation.
>> This kind of a thing happens very rarely, while crime happens every day.
You're forgetting one important detail...the degree to which cameras help to *solve* crime is very little- as in, not worth the cost, and certainly not worth the loss of freedom it entails.
"the degree to which cameras help to *solve* crime is very little"
Nonsense. Every time someone goes missing, or someone is murdered, they always find the last known surveillance footage of them.
"and certainly not worth the loss of freedom it entails."
Yet there is no loss of "freedom" at all, cameras are not installed in your house. They are put in public areas, or where private individuals want them.
No camera can single-handedly *solve* a crime, but I would be willing to bet my whole net worth that most law enforcement officials would laugh you out of their building for suggesting surveillance cameras don't help anything.
Great Britain has over 4 MILLION surveillance cameras installed, and the average citizen in London is captured more than 300 times per day. With that much "protection," you'd think the crime rate would be close to zero. Far from it. So if they're not reducing crime, what exactly is their value?
no its teathing problems we had same in uk you just document what the cameras are for, security purposes only, and if its abused by faculty or city councils, you sue their asses and sack the culprit, soon ppl get the message, dont fuck with the system.
okay, on the serious side of this. using security cameras for your own, personal ideology is just fucked. on every level of power, from this fucking asshole dean, to the president of the usa. unforgivable. unfortunately, with every advance in technology, we lose more personal freedoms. it's a shame, the world as we knew it, is ending.
Thank goodness those security people (including the dean of students, who should have nothing to do with the checking of the security cameras) are fighting terrorists. What? They're not? Duh! Wait and see how fast school cameras become part of the ILLEGAL "Total Information Awareness Office"s assets. The "elite" want security for themselves to extend everywhere in YOUR lives. I hate to say this, but if someone kicks the c**p out of the "dean", maybe the next one will think twice.
TheRealScotius 1 year ago
''A warrant to from a court to watch the videotape, because of a murder'' - Cenk. That was perfect put, just put the cameras up there, but your not allowed to watch for some dumb as reason
d15craxx 2 years ago
fuck humans
amirdude 2 years ago
Sick world!
madsen339 2 years ago
I hate this guys. u guys r so fucken stupid. Ya keep posting ur video on you tube cause no body wane watch ur shit on TV.
iamfrezer 2 years ago
I am curiouse as to what we are going to do when we eventually develope technology that reads thoughts imagine a device that monitors negative thoughts placed everywhere maybe then we could prevent crimes before they happened ???or we can arrest people for unchristian thoughts.
cjfilmproductions 2 years ago
those who are willing to give up liberties for the sake of security deserve neither liberty or security
Abe lincoln.
cjfilmproductions 2 years ago
dude, that was Ben Franklin.
Kalahridudex 2 years ago 3
you are so right my bad drugs you know
cjfilmproductions 2 years ago
1984 Big brother is watching
cjfilmproductions 2 years ago 2
my school has camaras in all the halls and out side. its already helped atleast once that i know of. it might have helped me when i bike was stolen from school grounds but the camara was offline for whatever reason :( i dont even think schools are public cuz at my school they dont even like it if parents walk around in the school. they tell them to wait in the office, idk im canadian it might be diff down there
adambergen 2 years ago
I dunno, cctv works pretty well for the UK...
xorasel 2 years ago
That's so wrong. What if the parents did not know if the kids were bi/gay.
stevenash4lyfe 2 years ago
cameras in skool??haha not in LOS ANGELES we steal those muafuckers if we see em
blosk323 2 years ago
Jayar is so cute<3 x]
CandyPants 2 years ago 2
fuck all those chicks in the ass and pussy!!!
oflodoriksenok 2 years ago
It's a way of control, simple as that.
KrayzCurry 2 years ago
They are talking about my girlfriend on this video. It's highschool there are few criminals. we live in one of the safest towns in WA. have the highest curriculum & have a great reputation, cameras should be in the hallway, they should not be taken out of the school, SHE WAS SEVENTEEN, without parents consent there is no arguing this case. It's just the way the law is, she was a minor. Its been 2 years and cameras remain placed in the school, but only for regulating school behavior in the halls.
junkbuddy277 2 years ago
These people r amazing lmao.
FueledByBreebree 2 years ago
Terrorism is like a mask for the agenda of big brother to impose policies to the point of monitoring your life 24/7. It's now the issue of what they are going to do with the footage, and the consequences set forth in the name of national/social security. Giving up personal privacy for national security of monitoring your actions is not the way to personal freedom. There should be a balance. Good debate.
Gonji 2 years ago
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Gonji 2 years ago
That was an interesting debate, but why did you edit the black guy out at 8:01?
DrQuijano 2 years ago
have they discontinued warrants?
ccm800 2 years ago
Sad
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hotspot172 2 years ago
I think we need cameras certain places but not others. Like if a camera was by the door, I'd be cool with that, so we can see who is coming in and out. But I don't really like the idea of cameras being all through the halls and in classrooms. It seems a bit excessive. The reason gas stations have cameras is for a few reasons, mainly so people don't steal gas or try to rob them, I have no problem with that.
FullOfFail 2 years ago
Welcome to the Panopticon!
JudahKhan 2 years ago
The UK is the most camera'd up country in the world, in London the average person is filmed 300 times during the course of a normal day and this is despite the fact research by the government showed that CCTV does not prevent crime - welcome to Orwell country people!
afrosaxxon 2 years ago
How can you prove something that you don't know. Like how can you know how much MORE crime would be committed if the cameras weren't there. But it does prove one thing! That some criminals are so stupid to be caught by the cameras anyway.
carolina1951 2 years ago
Kids are not entitled to privacy. There should be cameras in all schools all over , and kids should all know there are being watched.
They can't be trusted, especially if they are like me.
toldyousohaha 2 years ago
so unlike adults - have you been to DC? lol
ccm800 2 years ago
your talking about my girlfriend on this video...
the dean not only told jen's parents,
he showed the entire congrigation of the church.
this was also 2 years ago that it happened.
the girl had to move
jenna is still here, with me.
but it's pretty unfortunate,
i still go to this highschool
and they watch every move we make walking through those halls.
junkbuddy277 2 years ago 4
really? they should have taken some sort of legai action.
so the dean of students, this is an adult or what?
thats weird i would have done something in retaliation bcause there was no logic in doing that other then personal reasons
jairo909 2 years ago
The main reason for cameras in gas stations is to prevent employee theft. It's secondary that it might catch a robber.
GrownupPhan 2 years ago
i don't like the fact that the teacher suspected it and then found it. if he wouldn't of suspected it, they never would have been found. stupid teacher. (btw no gay peeps)
dearestcaroline 2 years ago
you pathetic losers, are you guys trying to say that everybody has to be straight ?
Kids have the right to o whatever they want & whatever they want TO BE !
are you their parents ? I DON'T THINK SO,
so let them fucking be, you dumb assholes !!!
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OMGTwilightRocks475 2 years ago
I say for safety reasons cameras should only be at entrances to the school.
im1shak1biotches 2 years ago 3
"Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone!"
xDxRabbitx 2 years ago 15
German Jew is a Misnomer. You mean German Nomads or Ashkanez or German Czari
D2spencer 2 years ago
anouther problem is when a parent showed up at school to pick up daughter, he had a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket (unopened) and the school cop arrested him for the cigarettes, but dropped charges after seeing it was unopened. I think schools are distracted by all the other crap and not doing the real job. Also kids act differently when they know they are on cam, and how bad would a pedophile want access to the tapes?
Jeremiy2 2 years ago
i cant wait till they put cameras in the bathroom, their defense will be "if your doing nothing wrong and got nothing to hide then you wouldnt oppose" i just cannot wait till they try to impose cameras in bathrooms
prozzak2006 2 years ago
It was not an invasion because it was hot!!!!!
jackofclubz 2 years ago
the law is made for the lawless. If you are obeying the law, this doesn't become an issue.
D2spencer 2 years ago
No your wrong, this girl had her privacy invaded for making out with another girl. She wasn't doing anything illegal and her privacy was not respected
panthergolf 2 years ago 19
Tell that to a few million German Jews.
Punchey 2 years ago 2
Oh yeah, you can't, because they're DEAD.
Punchey 2 years ago 2
Gig Harbor. lol .. I live five minutes from that highschool..
maximusart 2 years ago
Lol I went to Kopachuck and would have gone to GHHS if I hadn't moved out of state in 7th grade. Weird to see a school from my old town being talked about on TYT.
Ledwix 2 years ago
It really bugs me when I'm in places where there are surveillance cameras and I feel like I can't even adjust my balls or scratch my ass in private!
If they have a law that they can only look at it when a crime's been committed, that might be ok, but not otherwise.
If authorities are given too much power, somebody WILL abuse it.
DRMartin789 2 years ago
Just as Lord Acton alluded to.
usageee 2 years ago
Schools already put metal detectors to prevent gangs bringing GUNS to school.
WormRecon 2 years ago
Torture,secret prisons,warrantless wiretapping,secret recording of all E-mails in the US,the Patriot act....land of the free,yeah right.
znotty 2 years ago 5
and conservatives will say, "if you dont like it here in the USA, then get the fuck out." thats their attitude. how bout we dont get the fuck out, and make them get the fuck out and get our freedoms back and restore this country to the way it should be
prozzak2006 2 years ago 3
The problem isn't the fucking surveillance camera. The problem is the retard Dean who used it for his own retarded purposes. I don't understand Cenk on this one....why not have surveillance cameras on school property? It could help with thefts, vandalism, drug use and assaults. The problem in this situation was that it was used by some Holier than Thou jackass for his purposes...but generally speaking I think cameras in schools are a useful thing.
maddingo12 2 years ago
The part that I do agree with Cenk on is the end when he suggests the elaborate system requiring a court order to review surveillance material. I think that idea is a sufficient, law-based concept for keeping jackasses like that Dean from corrupting good intentions. I think it's a much better concept than the way it is now, and perhaps better than scrapping the idea of surveillance all together.
DrakeMagnum 2 years ago
I wonder if that student Dean called little Sheila's parents to tell them that she was making out with her boyfriend? Or little Jimmy's parents to tell them he was making out with his girlfriend? No, huh. Its just the gay kids that aren't allowed to make out on school grounds.
maddingo12 2 years ago 2
If you're in favor of public surveillance, please Google "Panopticon."
Then, do a search on the Christian origin of the American penitentiary system & its early history to find out what happens to people who feel they are being watched all the time.
To sum it up, the usual result is paranoid psychosis.
GoreyFantod 2 years ago
All those cameras are used for other reasons then what they should. It's very hard to find out if they are used in the "proper way", that's the only reason there aren't more of these stories.
lock378 2 years ago
My school has cameras, but the administration and such is pretty good with what they use them for. Usually it's to catch kids doing drugs or bullying each other, but one time after all the Gay Straight Alliance's posters were taken down, they used to cameras and saw it was a janitor that did it.
ForLoveLoveLove 2 years ago
What 16 yr old kid? what happend?
mexpharoah 2 years ago
A public school is private property. There would not be trespassing signs if it were pulblic property. This dean went overboard because he alerted her parents. However, if they wanted to comb through surveilance tapes looking for drug deals that is a perfectly legitimate use of surveilance data.
schmokay 2 years ago
I agree to a certain point but the school that I work at is in a high crime neighborhood where many gang members and drug dealers are students so I do feel we need hallway cams in that situation.
adibisi22 2 years ago
oh and of courseeee Ana you hit it on the head as well
Issypt 2 years ago
yessssss Cenk you are so right
Issypt 2 years ago
I love how J.R. always touches the fader when he speaks.
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toppless09 2 years ago
disagree... schools are public. i agree they should have a fit clause.
joisfantastic 2 years ago
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. "
- Benjamin Franklin
Iker888 2 years ago
Indeed, first thing that came to mind while watching this
Piko6262 2 years ago
WHAT liberty is being given up NONE
im am restricted in no way from doing anything i would other wise do in my normal course of events if 1 or a million cameras were watching me like they said if they were trying to force them in peoples homes that would be a different story and i would lead the malita
Leadman1989 2 years ago
Then you won't mind your own personal police officer following you around 24/7, even in the bathroom, watching everything you say and read and noting who you talk to and about what. And anything the least bit suspicious gets you hauled in for questioning. Surveillance states mistakenly arrest lots of people so that is the problem.
12stringsforme 2 years ago
How can you say you are free if your every step is registered, if whatever you do is monitored. no one should have that kind of power, humanity is by no means virtuous and we would soon use this as a method of control, be it the state, as a tool of subjugation, or an omnipresent moral eye which smites you for doing what "isnt proper", as happened in the school. its not a matter of what criminals we could find, but how soon this would become a burden on those being regulated by the all seeing eye
Iker888 2 years ago
You're fucking stupid. You are giving up your privacy. The cameras could be abused. Would you like someone spying on those personal moments with your children? With your husband/wife? How about those embarassing moments. What if they started their own sick websites posting you in personal situations?
Remember, this life isn't a fairy tale. People WILL abuse things.
elspoko 2 years ago
look how quickly you resort to insults GIVING UP WHAT PRIVACY IN PUBLIC if you've read any of my previous comments you would know that in a public setting this is perfectly ok on private property it should be up to the owner WHAT I ASK IS WRONG WITH THAT
ABUSE IT, AND WHERE DON'T YOU FIND THIS MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY CAMERAS AND CELL PHONES AFTER ALL PEOPLE ABUSE THOSE, AND DON'T FOR GET COMPUTERS, AND GUNS PEOPLE ABUSE THOSE ALL THE TIME
Leadman1989 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I don't understand retard.
Let me try to clarify your statement, Are you trying to say, that in public, you have no privacy? And then try to compare computers and cell phones, which both have laws that sanction against illegal use, to cameras in public areas? Damn, I didn't know people as dumb as you existed.
elspoko 2 years ago
well my school had plenty of cameras caught a couple of students breaking in and stealing computers, also caught a female janitor that tried the same thing never violated my privacy because i never had any in a PUBLIC setting
maybe those lessies should have saved it for another venue
Leadman1989 2 years ago
Jayar, you rock! Devil's advocate, maybe. But I love the fact you argue against Cenk better than he argues for whatever his point is.
Ana, you butchered that private property point.
Surlish 2 years ago 2
seriously? what the hell is wrong with monitoring everyone, if your not doing anything wrong then you got NOTHING to worry about. only criminals and law breakers worry not the innocent
fantasticalNINJA 2 years ago
watch the damn video.
the cameras are used for other purposes. not just trying to catch people doing bad things, but rather invading peoples privacy.
Prathik1989 2 years ago
but dude, this will happen. no duh right? but saying there should be no cameras in the puplic is rediculous. because i GUARANTEE you that people will take advantage of them not being there.
cenek and blondie are being retarded and paranoid. its time to be modern and realistic.
eventually there will be only like a few diff. governments. cameras will be everywhere.
computers will become super smart
GET OVER IT
fantasticalNINJA 2 years ago
hey your privacy is invading my public CAN'T i have a little public over here
they were in public what expectation of privacy did they have again????
NONE
Leadman1989 2 years ago
>> they were in public what expectation of privacy did they have again????
Free from government surveillance. If I haven't done anything illegal, there is no reason for them to be watching me. It's called due process.
l0gically 2 years ago
now i hate my rights being infringed on as much as the next guy but this is a public or private school (both apropriate)
they had NO expectation of anything
the good out weigh the bad the bad being you feeling uncomfortable being watched vs a criminal being caught and how does due process enter this relm do you even know what that is??? your not under persecution just because a camera is pointed in your direction no due process
Leadman1989 2 years ago
>> the good out weigh the bad the bad being you feeling uncomfortable being watched vs a criminal being caught and how does due process enter this relm
Simple...it's called the 4th Amendment. It clearly states that a search (and yes, I consider surveillance a form search) is reasonable only when a crime, or imminent potential for the commission of a crime has been identified, AND that this is been spelled out in a request for a warrant, AND the warrant has been granted by the court.
l0gically 2 years ago
well the LAW DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU CONSIDER IT ONLY APPLIES TO WHAT IS AND SURVEILLANCE ISN'T AND REQUIRES NO WARRANT TALK TO THE FAMILIES OF MURDER VICTIMS WHO GOT JUSTICE IMPART DUE TO PROPER SURVEILLANCE
BEING WATCHED ISN'T BEING PATTED DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD I'VE HAD BOTH DONE TO ME!!!!!!
Leadman1989 2 years ago
Hey moron. Your capslock is on. Nobody understands you because you are typing like a retard.
TimesEyes 2 years ago
As a straight guy, i still dont really see why two girls kissing each other turns some guys on. Its just kissing.
Chaos4me 2 years ago
The student body should be given access to recordings of the goings on in the faculty room. A "terrorist" could much more easily pose as a teacher than a student, no? I want to see Ms. Schlausinger blowing Mr. Healy in the men's room in the lounge. Or is national security just not that important, Mrs. Schlausinger, you naughty li'l' hottie?
ndvuncle 2 years ago
loooool!! 6:38
flyhye 2 years ago
hey cenk,
what about if the dean of students already saved the footage of the girls making out and waited for her to act up in class or at school. then, he would tell the parents about it. this way he could already be monitoring all student activity and saving the offences for a better time.
talon20 2 years ago
Survilleance should only be used against people who are breaking the law, not to for other less noble purposes, as that is only something an authoritarian society allows.
qanazir 2 years ago
LOL. Cenks parent impression is ROFLCOPTER!!!!
icecool1065 2 years ago
Woah that was in Gig Harbor? I live in seattle, I would have heard of that. but I havent heard of anything like that on the news. i'm going to send this link to my local news and see what they do.
Mizumi17 2 years ago
people will abuse it because they lose sight of the real reason that those protections are in place. Cenk had a great idea on making a system so that no one could abuse the system already in place. The video cameras should not be used as a preventative aid to stop crime or detect it; they should only be used after a crime has been commited and witnessed as a way of providing evidence for the prosecution.
HeilFire 2 years ago
I agree with Jayar, as long as people who abuse the system to invade privacy are punished, its worth it.
enderwiggin42 2 years ago
PedobearMansion's I was referring to PUBLIC places, (schools, streets, buildings, parking lots, parks), not PRIVATE places such as homes. Actually if you want to see my big fat hairy ass take a good look! LOL
carl137 2 years ago
Americans have become a nation of sheep. We put up with humiliations from of the government that no sane country would tolerate.
Minneconjou 2 years ago 2
Those that would give up liberty for freedom deserve neither.
I'm getting the fuck out of the US after 4 years. Full scholarship for uni for now, but I'll probably go to med school in Australia (going like US too, though,) China, Canada, or Japan.
ThorsDecree 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing that little piece of information. Now would you kindly fuck off please?
DelicateWolverine 2 years ago
Already did, but your comment brought me back. Kind of stupid, eh?
If you have something relevant to say, then please share. I dropped a quote by Benjamin Franklin, a man who had a good idea of what America could be. Now it's turning into a police state, whether you see that or not. No time for a debate now, and I'm not trying to spark a flamewar. Just putting that out there.
ThorsDecree 2 years ago
A perfect specimen of the mentality that makes right-wing extremism and police states possible.
Minneconjou 2 years ago
I was talking about him bragging about his education: scholarships, universities, med school. Still, I was a bit of a dick.
DelicateWolverine 2 years ago
I actually did live abroad during part of Bush's presidency because of how things were going. I came back in '07, but haven't ruled out going overseas again if Obama can't straighten things out.
Minneconjou 2 years ago
the little whore shouldn't be doing that at school anyway.
fenderbass 2 years ago
Why not? It would have been fine if she wasn't a lesbian... There's no reason to think she shouldn't be doing that at school. School is not about controlling people, it's about educating people. Let the students do what they want, as long as it's not illegal.
DelicateWolverine 2 years ago
kissing at school has always been against the rules if you're there to get an education, moron
fenderbass 2 years ago
camera's are a deterant, but I personaly believ they are there to study human behavior
JimisJames 2 years ago
Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH!
AntiSisyphus 2 years ago
More idiocy from Washington State, it'd be good to actually hear a good story from here.
TrueAgendaSetter 2 years ago
Five stars for Ana's dress.
pongman 2 years ago 2
right on
rainman6613 2 years ago
Security cameras have their pluses and minuses and I think it's beholden to the person who owns the property to decide if it's of value. In public places I don't think cameras should be allowed unless they feel it's a high risk crime area to protect public safety. Cameras are really just an extension of the police and I don't think anyone would care if a police cruiser was parked outside a public library or Dunkin Donuts.
pongman 2 years ago
doesnt every civilized school have hallway cameras? no one is watching them 24-7. they're there recording just incase something DID happen or there was suspicion that something had happened, THEN they could go back and check the tapes to confirm
konohahurricane07 2 years ago
Jayar is right. The police are only allowed to search and seize with a warrant... and we trust them to do that. If they do so without a warrant, the evidence is thrown out. But we can't say "we can't have a police force because they might search somebody without a warrant." Put the things in place, make the rules, and let a judge decide how to use them, that's how it works.
In order for democracy to work we have to trust people. In order for ANY system to work we have to trust people.
prokrastinatorSF 2 years ago
Also, i can set up cameras all around my house, observe the street, observe the neighbors across the street, or on the other side of the back yard. Nobody else has any say in what i can or cannot do with the light rays that come in my property
KarateKidX 2 years ago
I have no problem with cameras in public places.
It's different from the patriot act, which actually gets into your own phone lines in your own home
KarateKidX 2 years ago
My question is why does it matter that she's a lesbo? I am sure there are tons of straight couples eating each others faces in the halls.
rdog13blood 2 years ago 4
hey i kno dis highschool im in washing too
treokimow 2 years ago
Ana's damn right! and hot! both at the same time.. whoop!
lewis493 2 years ago 5
My school has security cameras in all of the hallways.
One time I was walking with my friend to one of his classes during lunch because he had to drop off some homework. The teacher wasn't there but he left the work on her desk.
A week later I was called down to the office by campus security and told that I was suspected of stealing money from the teacher. They told me I would have to go to court.
Luckily I was able to get out of it quickly, but my friend had a harder time of it.
searenee 2 years ago
My school is filled with cameras. No one ever checks the tapes though. They are mainly there to scare people, but everyone's figured out already that they're mostly fake domes.
orientrat 2 years ago 2
haha, this is all about the New World Order without addressing the it
RADI0xxactive 2 years ago
It is but they do not want to say it because that would sound conservative and they cant have that
shananagans5 2 years ago
it's about how FISA is fucked up. NWO doesn't exist to me except when i watch old wrestling clips lol.
ddean1987 2 years ago 4
On the last point, at schools I've gone to, some WAS always watching the cameras. You could go there sometime late, maybe a school event. If you stood outside long enough, someone would come out of the office to ask why you were there.
TheCelticNinja 2 years ago
I totally thought this video was going to be something different based on the title.
fishbonebuba 2 years ago
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danbobhollins 2 years ago
this culture of hyper security really needs to stop
AlphaDragonOmega 2 years ago
accepting 11000+ deaths annually above (!) the western average for peoples right to own guns, also about 40000 for cars and badly regulated traffic, but for a few dozen cases possibly being easier to persecute (not prevented!) you are willing to accept a police state and being watched everywhere you go?
random0815 2 years ago
Go Ana!
shayeeX 2 years ago
I went to a high school where we had cameras everywhere and police officers that brought in drug dogs once a week, it was nazi germany in allen texas...They used the cameras all the time to catch people with truancy and smoking cigarettes, I know because they caught me smoking like that once before
seestickglue232 2 years ago
I should of mentioned in my other comment, the cameras at my old high school Allen High School are EVERYWHERE inside there with a huge surveillance room, they can zoom in and out on faces automatically if there is low traffic on the screen, and they cover LITERALLY every inch of the high school, any place that would be considered AHS ground has a fuckin camera to record what happens. And if you want to see a guy in a penis suit run through my high school, just type in allen high school penis sui
seestickglue232 2 years ago
It is good to see young people paying attention to our rights. Obama just made the patriot act permanent. Everybody seems to want to take a right somewhere. We neet to be aware and resist the striping of our rights. All of them, not just what we personally agree with.
shananagans5 2 years ago
he did? are you sure?!
EtcEtcAndEtc 2 years ago
I love the compromise that Cenk made at the end of the video. I mean, Jayar essentially makes a good Charlton Heston point - 'cameras don't abuse privacy, apes with cameras abuse privacy!' But in the end, I'm on Cenk and Ana's side about this, so I love the compromise idea proposed at the end.
TheNeocatZone 2 years ago
your not very smart-are you?
fatman1001 2 years ago
you're not so very smart are you?
At the least, he knows how to speak correct English.
JesseLH88 2 years ago
Check out a new DVD release, "Look." The storyline is told entirely through surveillance cameras. There are some nice 'changing room' scenes at the beginning... ;) However, the movie really gets one thinking about how much we are watched by Big Brother. Average person gets filmed 200X a day.
TooLooseLeTrek 2 years ago
Cenks just pissed cause he couldn't see the video.
Kite208 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Dude, what kind of pervert are you ??? Ah, you are an arab that worships that genocide-loving pedophile named Muhammad ... I guess that explains your behavior.
AntiChrist67 2 years ago
I am maybe an Arab but I am a Christian.
also, can you not take a joke? I mean if Cenk saw my comment I don't think he would be pissed about it.
Kite208 2 years ago
Keith Nelson needs to get laid baaaaaaas
likes2p 2 years ago
-They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
benjamin franklin (American inventor, journalist, printer, diplomat, and statesman.)
-Sometimes we must fight terror with tyranny.
-George Walker Bush
uterzemson 2 years ago 4
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uterzemson 2 years ago
god is an astronaut
mozjo is the future
danbobhollins 2 years ago
Welcome to the people's republic of America!
Big brother is watching!
minatorus 2 years ago
yep repubs push this stuff
goldgrif 2 years ago
lol i love the high brow title of this show. addressing the important issues
sam14641 2 years ago
it actually is important, the repubs love this thing they want to controll everything of your life
goldgrif 2 years ago
-They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. guess who said that
uterzemson 2 years ago
Cenks just pissed cause he couldn't see the video.
kymystic65 2 years ago
Get used to it, Big Brother is here to stay, and it will get more invasive as technology improves. Damn! I gotta go, I think someones watching me.
PS If the FBI is reading this, I was just joking.
kymystic65 2 years ago
If we put surveillance cameras on the politicians as well, you can bet that law will change real quickly.
As long as those powers are there, people will misuse them. That's why those things shouldn't be allowed in the first place. And Bush is an idiot, and I hope Obama has the common sense to reverse his idiotic legislation.
atwyatt 2 years ago
its the future
goonsmile 2 years ago
Why can't they just check into a stall in the boys room?
Why can't they quit painting fake mustaches on each other?
Why can't the government just educate the the community on public lesbianism:
you know, expect it, appreciate it, and get over it?
Why can't we have street signs for it, you know, like those "duck crossing" signs?
we need a symbol for
"Free Public Lesbo-type Man Zone"
AJtheory 2 years ago
That's ridiculous. It's not private property, therefore you have no right to privacy there. It's a public school.
Saying we should ban survellaince equipment because every once and a while some asshole will misuse it, is ridiculous.
Jayar is right. The pros far outweigh the cons when it comes to real crime. This kind of a thing happens very rarely, while crime happens every day.
F33bs 2 years ago
Further, surveillance cameras are different than wiretaps and having secret access to electronic communications.
Ana and Cenk don't make that distinction, and have a faulty argument because of it.
Surveillance cameras are clearly intended to protect private or public property, there's nothing else to use them for.
Wiretapping and the like is secretive by nature, and is prone to abuse. They are totally different things.
F33bs 2 years ago
>> This kind of a thing happens very rarely, while crime happens every day.
You're forgetting one important detail...the degree to which cameras help to *solve* crime is very little- as in, not worth the cost, and certainly not worth the loss of freedom it entails.
l0gically 2 years ago
"the degree to which cameras help to *solve* crime is very little"
Nonsense. Every time someone goes missing, or someone is murdered, they always find the last known surveillance footage of them.
"and certainly not worth the loss of freedom it entails."
Yet there is no loss of "freedom" at all, cameras are not installed in your house. They are put in public areas, or where private individuals want them.
Avoid those places if you don't like it.
F33bs 2 years ago
Cont.
No camera can single-handedly *solve* a crime, but I would be willing to bet my whole net worth that most law enforcement officials would laugh you out of their building for suggesting surveillance cameras don't help anything.
F33bs 2 years ago
Great Britain has over 4 MILLION surveillance cameras installed, and the average citizen in London is captured more than 300 times per day. With that much "protection," you'd think the crime rate would be close to zero. Far from it. So if they're not reducing crime, what exactly is their value?
l0gically 2 years ago
no its teathing problems we had same in uk you just document what the cameras are for, security purposes only, and if its abused by faculty or city councils, you sue their asses and sack the culprit, soon ppl get the message, dont fuck with the system.
tersse 2 years ago
when you are ready to give up part of your liberty and privacy for your security you lose your liberty your privacy and you dont get security.
Melpheos1er 2 years ago
The jackass dean is "Keith Nelson" of Gig Harbor High School, Washington. So throw some female sex toys at him or something =p
Just wanted to know this piece of shit's name.
TAz69x 2 years ago
just calm down dude
dthorn616 2 years ago
lol, wasn't really pissed, just said it in jest, though the internet is notorious for not properly conveying TONE in a message =p
TAz69x 2 years ago
okay, on the serious side of this. using security cameras for your own, personal ideology is just fucked. on every level of power, from this fucking asshole dean, to the president of the usa. unforgivable. unfortunately, with every advance in technology, we lose more personal freedoms. it's a shame, the world as we knew it, is ending.
thecellarlife 2 years ago