enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great
U guys need to stop actin like u r experts! They went in because the Chief said they could! He must have saw the house was stable enough for a interior attack so he sent them in! Let them do there job....They did a good job on this fire...
What's funny is the people that act all smart and like they are super firefighters are the ones that probably haven't ever seen fire and would be so scared they would suck a bottle down in less than 10 minutes.... Awesome job guys!!!
I love all the Monday morning quarterbacks who just cant watch a video and enjoy it. But as one gentleman said and I agree. That was not alot of fire and its in a pretty easy building.
Wonder how much water that quint hold's ???? Our's only carries 300gal hell we can fight fire for a good minute and a half on an 1 3/4 with no water supply. Must have been a rural area for a line not to be laid in????
@adamxaiver Get a spiral notebook and keep a journal of the interesting calls that you make. Keep a scrapbook of calls that make the newspaper. Some day, when you have 20-30 years on the job, it will be fun to look back at what you have done. Good luck with your career. Stay low and keep your eyes open!
It's easy to watch a video and criticize it, but for what it's worth I do not like the BC's call to go offensive on this fire. It's self vented, with heavy fire conditions on the back half of the house. Looking at it, I would think it is a collapse waiting to happen. That being said great job getting it to convert. as quickly as you did. Stay safe !
@helipoison it could be close to collapse, but who knows. is it an older home? older homes tend to stay upright longer, due to the true 2x4's and non-lightweight construction. im not arguing, im just saying that my size up makes me think that its an older home.
No windows? do you not see all the squares around the house? what are they? just burnout holes in the house? theres obviously windows. JOB WELL DONE GUYS. Good to see they went in and got it. It was Well Involved, Not Fully Involved. Fully Involved the roof would be gone and Fire would be Blowing. Fire is jsut starting to lick at the windows and doors where they entered. So They did a great job.
its funny how different fire brigades around the worl work and fight fires, here in Victoria Australia, specially my two brigades we would do so many things different good and bad i suppose...
Good knock down. Good effort by all involved. But, red flagg is the sign in the yard, what are we saving in these situations. I know we all want to see the orange, myself included, but is the risk worth the benefit on a house that is most likely vacant and will be taken down. Food for thought thats all. Otherwisde they did a nice job.
I find that firefighters who critcize other are: A. Less than 10 years on the job B. Never had anything really 'rotten' happen to them in a structure fire.
Until the above happens the mouth engages before the brain....peace....
I am a volly and that is still not a fully involved structure fire. Fully involved means all four walls and roof are nothing but fire. Some of the property could be saved.
@wdfoley < According to my International Fire Service Training Association Textbook titled "Fire Service Orientation and Terminology", Fully Involved is defined as "Term of size-up... fire, heat and smoke in a structure are so widespread that internal access must wait until fire streams can be applied." Much like the men in the video, I would have called this "fully involved" and I sure as hell would not have gone in without a hose in my hand.
Does anyone ever sit back and read these posts....man we talk about a brotherhood that we all live and work in..but we're cannibals! doesn't matter what anyone does they're gonna get shredded for it, can't win here... everyone here has made a mistake once or twice....trust me,and how the heck can we tell if its occ. or not from a video! anyone ever finally put it out and found a cooked murdered homeless guy? just cause the fires out doesn't mean it's over.
@markan173 ....wow....I never really thought about it that way....that's a whole different perspective...because I watch these videos all of the time and don't think about things like that
@rvpKellz ...I know it...I just get kind of tired reading the same bashing, all the time, everyone's an armchair quarterback. Firefighters, by nature of the trade, are generally A type personalities, and seemingly very willing to chew each other up when they see what they perceived to be a mistake.....you gotta love em, but we still eat our young at times!! LOL
@markan173 it's ironic that you mention Type A personalities because I was learning about those last week in my business management and organizational behavior classes...anyways....I love all firefighters because you guys are hereos day in and day out....plus some of them are hot (no pun intended).
Good job with the take down guys!!! But I had a question to everyone, I know SOPs/SOGs vary from area to area but shouldn't they have hit up high before going in? You know to cool some of the gases cuase it does roll ove a bit after they made entry but I'm not sure they saw it cause of the heavy smoke. Then again maybe it was the angle it was shot it but I was just woundering but all in all that was a fast and badass interior attack!!!!! Lol
@e45coolboy< Some departments actually have real fireman that actually fight the fire. I get so tired of Vaginafied crews that stand outside while peoples lives burn away. I've seen structures far more involved that this be knocked out with two men, one hose and the 500 gals that they brought with them simply because they had the balls to do their damn job.
I am not a firefighter but it seems to me that unless it is too dangerous that you would enter the structure to look for anyone who might be in there. Just because there is a for sale sign out front and the house is SUPPOSED to be empty doesn't mean that it isn't. Transients, kids playing around, etc., could be in there.
no reason to go in at all. its risk vs. benefit. empty house, for sale sign, hey we all gotta be aggressive but fire over head,front to back? nah stay outside and douche with monitors
the22duce i agree its well invovled not fully invovleed and partialy invovled just sounds stupid for the retards out there A FULLY INVOVLED FIRE MEANS THERES NOTHING BUT FIRE AND A FRAME OF WHAT USED TO BE A HOUSE all you book readers need to start getting your hands dirty
@waldrezz77< Really???? Because according to my International Fire Service Training Association Textbook titled "Fire Service Orientation and Terminology", Fully Involved is defined as "Term of size-up... fire, heat and smoke in a structure are so widespread that internal access must wait until fire streams can be applied." That means you cannot enter unless you're carrying or directly behind a water hose, and that's exactly what I see in this video.
I love how the smoke transitions from black and thick... to white after attack is made..go to :40, study the smoke, then go to 3:40 and it's all steam!!!...Greattt job!!:)..only toook 3 minutes
In some rural parts of the country, hydrants are far apart or very scarce. If need be, they can bring a water tender. Looks like they were going off of the engine tanks so they need to be conservative with their water. All in all they did a great job in knocking it down quickly. :)
Gotta love a good, get down, kick as interior attack. Must agree with staying low going in....IF that fire flashed or had a roll over, I shudder to think what would of happened.
@ Ckdodge88--for all you know this could be a empty house that there using to train on interior attack..Are you even a Firefighter? thick brown smoke doesnt mean let it burn..there could be people traped inside.....
@Ckdodge88 Exactly...they were lucky it didn't flash on them or the roof collapsed. This, imo, should have been a surround and drown. Nothing to gain by an interior attack. This house was a complete loss already upon arrival.
Yeah, that was my bad, Rapid Intervention Team is the RIT TEAM, havent heard them called the FAST team however, does it stand for anything? Like RIT, rapid intervention team?
yea FAST mean Fire Fighter Assistance Search Team. FAST for short. its what we call it up North. Alot of us have FAST engines, trucks, or even rescues. Whatever the FD SOP's are for a FAST or RIT activation and if ur fd has one
@fyreman132 Actually i would call it partially involved.. You can see windows with no flames comming out.. Now if it was fully involved, Even the nails in the wood would be burning.. You would see flames comming out of all windows, doors, cracks, everything would be burning.. Which would be FULLY involved.
What a rookie misconception. We teach little kids to stay low. We're firefighters with gear and equipment. If you can tolerate it and it'll make your task that much easier, why not enter standing? It should be encouraged more actually.
Rookie misconception? Thermial layering is a fact. Standing up while in a fire is just plain stupid. Add water from your hose and you have a steam layer up there that will go right through your PPE. Staying low is for everyone not just kids.
i bet you know all about firefighting ... rookie misconception,,, thats an awful big word for a youtube firefighter why are you so hard on the rookies? i was a rookie one time and i made every mistake in the book... thankfully noone made fun of me. and if someone stands up in a fire, let them be the judge of if its stupid. if they get burnt, they will never do it again...be nicer to the new generation..
93CFD um, if you look it was firemedic that was using those "big words" not me.
I have a problem with your statement "if they get burnt, they will never do it again" than you follow it up with "be nicer to the new generation". Teaching and being a good example to the rookies and showing them the dangers is being nice. Being a hard ass to them is letting them do stupid things and getting hurt. Smacking their helmet when they go to stand up is being nice. Would you rather they burn?
What are you 5...stop with personal attacks and try addressing what I wrote in an adult manner.
I volunteer with an ambulance services but I have been a firefighter for over 10 years. I am an officer in my fire department. Is that ok with you..
Now, do you have anything constructive to say about thermal laying and the need to stay low while doing primary, secondary or interior attack....if not please move on.
I can understand squatters and homeless can be inside these vacant buildings, but around these parts we have alot of drug houses and assholes who dont give a shit about firefighter safety can cut holes in floors and booby trap the hell out of the place making it unsafe for firefighters to make entry. With my department it is such a problem that we have a policy we do not make entry on ANY vacant structure no matter what.
How about instead of going totally offensive or defensive with abandoned structures we try something different. Have a line with a straight stream knock down most of the fire from the exterior then mop up with an interior line. You won't get alot of fire pushed into the structure with a straight stream.
Looks like Charlotte county's Engine was pumping the fire. They could have up to 1000 gallons on board. (enough to get a knock down) and Punta Gorda's quint pulled some 4inch for the supply line. Another Engine pulled in behinde the Ladder. I'm guessing they layed in the supply up to PG's ladder. Not bad for an Explorer. huh?
I am guessing they have a water tender coming? working of the tank for a fire that is an abandoned house isn't that smart. They should conserve the water for exposers, if there are any ; can't see that well. A fire like that if you know what you are doing should be able to get knocked down with 500 gallons. They need short bursts and hit the hot spots when the water tender arrives or pull an additional line of another engine/quint. There are enough units there to handle this small fire.
This is what fire fighting is all about no fuckin around get there and get the job done awesome work guys its good to know that you guys take pride in your work standing ovation from me !
For anyone who says defenive attack, you you need to ask yourself why the fuck am I a firefighter! Watch this video they put the fucker out!!! How you ask, Oh thats right by going in a burning building. Stay safe and do your jobs.
was a very good video on how a quick attack made a dif. just reading the smoke you can tell that they really put the wet stuff on the red stuff, only thing that would have made that video better was to see a fan set up at the door and a back window opend up, never thought it would work but man, it clears out a house right now. other then that great vid!
Well, with an interior attack, one could potentially find a homeless person squatting or even find a murder scene covered up by arson. That's just my two cents for those who wonder "Why?'.
everything went well this time and it was a very good knock down but im sorry i would have never sent crews inside there with such heavy fire conditons plus with what looks to be a very old structure i would have called for a defence attack from the beginging (unless there was reports of intrapment)
I love arrogant career firefighters. Hats off to you Blackhat. I idolize career firefighters that started on the vollie side. They do it for all the right reasons, for the love of the service. I do want to take the time to thank you for your respect brother. Blue light and pager might not make me a firefighter but the brotherhood does. Hope you have a good 24 on shift, and enjoy your 48 off. I'll keep my pager on my belt for ya.
@cpvfd THAT COULDN'T OF BEEN SAID ANY BETTER.. GOOD WORDS BROTHER ! ! ! IM ALSO A VOLUNTEER FOR TERRYVILLE FIRE DEPT IN LONG ISLAND,NY STAY SAFE BROTHER AND TOO ALL OTHERS FF'S WHO ARE CAREER OR VOLLY, WE ALL ARE IN THIS SERVICE FOR THE SAME REASON, AND THAT IS TO RISK OUR LIFE TO SAVE A STRANGERS ** GOD BLESS AND NEVER FORGET 9-11-01 FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES ******* RAY FROM NY
the only decision i disagree with is the fact that the ladder truck dead in teh water..there appears to be no powerlines so the only obstruction would be trees..there have been many times where ive seen trucks pull directly into the yard to avoid obstructions..it wasnt needed but it couldve been set up as a precaution..had it gotten to bad they couldve pulled the crews out and IMMEDIATLY started deffinsive attack instead of waiting to set the truck up..just my opinion
response to jhickman161, this truck has a 75' ladder they can reach just fine without risking sinking in dirt. There are no hydrants around, cant do much with 500gals on the truck, and besides Im a truckie on that apparatus and my crew can have it operational in 30 secs or less sounds to me like your crews should train more...
not critizing(sp) but anything with smoke showing our truck is geting set up..and so had they went deffensive they woulda ran outta water? the engine shoulda supplyed the truck..jus my opinion but need less to say no one got hurt and everything went as planned..no reason to get worked up jus stating my own opinions
like i said jus as a precaution and also like i said to floridafirefighter85 had it been defensive would they have ran out of water? if the engine had a supply line they should of supplyed the truck
every1 can sit here and pick at this video..bc u dont agree..things are ALOT different in person than on video..most departments (like mine) do routine inspections on our vacant structures and if their not suitable to go into we mark it..so this chief probably had an idea of the sturdiness and conditions of this structure..had their been fire blowing from every window and every door then it would have been different..they were able to gain entry and knock a bulk of the fire down and no1 got hurt
blackhat also we are firefighters, im a volunteer and we are im sorry you think we arent but well if it wasnt for us, well at least in my state we'd be screwed we have the training and the knowledge yes bferr does sounds crazy but watch what you say money isnt everything
as we watch this we can pick out the mistakes and make everyone feel better making them think they are the hero cause they wouldnt have done that, like where i live the dispatch says structure with unknown if people are inside if there is even the slightest possibility someone is in we do what we can to find that out safely these videos are for show and training, im sure whoever took this video has seen it and has learned dont pick at this video im sure their training team already has just enjoy
You guys are hurtin. Give me a break, we never truly "know" if someone is in a structure until the fire is out and both a primary and secondary search have been given an all clear. There are many homeless due to foreclosures that are living in these structures because no one checks on them. You got hired or volunteered to fight fire, not watch it burn. Be safe brothers!
I agree with you they should have stuck to a defensive atack like team b if that roof would have colapsed they probably would not have got out alive i know that and i am in a volintear fier dept.
I agree with jerryrob...but as for you the comment below me...Your soooo tough, go in and fight it yourself!!!What you need to do is take some more classes and learn about the new age construction! That fire could be in the cockloft for quite some time burning slow! Plus if you know sooo much about firefighting then more power to you...BUT having a BLUE light and a PAGER doesn't make you a firefighter!!!! I wouldn't let your JR ass on my Tower any time!
i don't know why there are so many people second guessing them going inside.....the house was ony like 1/2- 3/4 involved. Its what us american firefighters do... And all you rocket scientists talking about prefab trussess and all that other mumbo jumbo.....please give me a break.... You don't have to worry about those boys, their good and tough....obviously its how they pay their bills....War bungalow slayers!!!!!
This Chief should lose his job if he is even paid(which i doubt). No reason what so ever to send guys in there. THey have fire above them the whole time. House was lost before they entered.
In this country, approximately 80% of firefighters are "vollies'. That means about 20% of the firefighters (career) are making up 52% of line of duty deaths.
But in the end stats are just stats and this means nothing. I don't understand bashing volunteers.
The point is to SAVE lives, not to "Safe" lives. Sorry for being a vollie that knows the English language.
Light weight prefab wood trusses with heavy fire involvement in the roof in an obviously abandoned structure = defensive attack. Why risk a structural collapse with men inside on a house that will be torn down within a week. Terrible judgment and tunnel vision on the part of the OIC.
Shitty house, No money down, whitetrash piece of shit dwelling . I SURE AS SHIT WON'T go in there. You dudes got some fuckin BALLS. i jack off tho firefiters
either way the guys did an awsome job with getting an all clear. i agree with the philosophy, risk alot to save alot, risk nothing to save nothing. i wouldve liked to see a ric crew set up before they went interior but some fd's dont train like we do. all in all it was risky but you cant help but to give props on a good knock down and a good save. great job guys. pffa local 3449
Good view: Risk alot to save alot, risk nothing to save nothing. But there are the times like here where you do risk alot to save barely anything. But would you rather be complimented on the risks you took or reprimanded for not taking risks and losing a victim because of it. Either way great job.
I am a vollie in Upstate NY. Been a Vollie for 13 years now. Okay, I read a lot of the comments and Monday morning QB'ng... I think they did what was needed to be done. A quick and aggressive knock down. Saved the structure (2 bedroom unit) and there was a secondary line charged. Fyreman..any idea if this was an arson job?
Hey Brother, thanks for the comment. Not sure if this was arson but considering the current economy and the fact that it's up for sale could raise questions. Financial records would have clarified some of those questions.
Forgive me if i disagree with you truckie...as a long time firefighter in an area that was full of old homes and abondoned structures, there is no reason you risk the safety of your crew to do an interior attack on what appears to be a vacant house. Foreclosure sign in the yard, no car, mid-day, un-kept yard...the idea that "It's not abandoned until the primary and secondary search is complete" does not apply to every structure. you have to use common sense, pointless interior attack...
until a fire fatality from some homeless person who happened to be inside... its smarter to do a quick search and knock it down fast, rather than possibly leave someone to die inside, and risk exposures doing a defensive.
Good point CTFD, however, we also need to take into consideration how much fire there is in that building... When the video first starts it appears it might just be in the back end of the house but as they enter with the line we see the house is damn near fully involved with fire. (I.E. no civilians inside are going to be alive, so stay outside.)
With fire conditions like this they would have expired long before the attack crew went in. You would not catch me going in searching with quickly deteriorating conditions without a charged line. Unless you want to end up as another statistic.
I was very surprised to watch the brothers "walk" into that mess. Unless it was'nt as bad inside as it appeared from the outside?
I say weigh the risks, crappy house, no car in driveway, midday, probably empty and even if its not empty, with that amount of heat and smoke, nothing inside is living, so I definately wouldn't risk my guy life on it, you're not saving anything.... This is a prime example of TUNNEL VISION!!!!
I wasn't on shift nor do I work for the department that responded to this fire. I was doing some training in the city when I noticed the smoke column and the trucks responding.
I agree with truckie. and as much as we love to criticise each other, we all have our own issues when its our own fire ground. it looks like you guys handled it well. got the fire knowcked down quickly, got good conversion, and may have not had a ric, but there was at least two out, which in alaska, because of low staffing is not always the case. and yes i know that was a huge run-on sentance.
It's not abandoned until the primary and secondary search is complete. The fact that it was well ventilated would help the primary search and advancing the attack line. With the amount of fire showing, there was a good chance for extention into the roof. That is why we check for extention. Yes, it would be a great idea to check overhead. All in all, well done!
for sale sign out front, house looks abandon, and already vented, no need to risk lives on a interior attack, they should have gone defensive here, and i didnt see a ric team set up did you?
Well not sure if they set up a ric team but there were enough people on scene to pull from if it were necessary to send them in for that reason. Thanks for the comment :)
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1Bigdrop 1 month ago
enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
sfdff39 2 months ago 2
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great
sfdff39 2 months ago
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sfdff39 2 months ago
dont ever film an arson fire. found that out the hard way. The cops thought i was filming my work.
TheWaynelds 2 months ago
firefighters without tools in their hands are just spectators. Stay safe brothers!
HCFRfirefighter525 2 months ago
U guys need to stop actin like u r experts! They went in because the Chief said they could! He must have saw the house was stable enough for a interior attack so he sent them in! Let them do there job....They did a good job on this fire...
mrdewayne18 4 months ago
What's funny is the people that act all smart and like they are super firefighters are the ones that probably haven't ever seen fire and would be so scared they would suck a bottle down in less than 10 minutes.... Awesome job guys!!!
billdozer84 5 months ago 2
I love all the Monday morning quarterbacks who just cant watch a video and enjoy it. But as one gentleman said and I agree. That was not alot of fire and its in a pretty easy building.
engine1957 6 months ago
That's my question too
huck918 8 months ago
SOOOOO why wasnt this a defensive fire??
fireman98826 8 months ago
What that little fire? I wouldn't even pack up for that....
bobsirebob 8 months ago
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Wonder how much water that quint hold's ???? Our's only carries 300gal hell we can fight fire for a good minute and a half on an 1 3/4 with no water supply. Must have been a rural area for a line not to be laid in????
sgttweeter0910 9 months ago
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sgttweeter0910 9 months ago
look to me that you guys got a kick ass knock down good job and keep up the good work, Ohio River Road VFD
fire860 11 months ago
No PPE at :46?
MrAxeEdent 11 months ago
@MrAxeEdent do you need gear to stand there and watch?
resqjason2 11 months ago
@resqjason2 I would say so........he wont be much good if the "unknown" happens now will he?
MrAxeEdent 11 months ago
i cant wait till my training is over and become an actual firefighter
adamxaiver 1 year ago
@adamxaiver Get a spiral notebook and keep a journal of the interesting calls that you make. Keep a scrapbook of calls that make the newspaper. Some day, when you have 20-30 years on the job, it will be fun to look back at what you have done. Good luck with your career. Stay low and keep your eyes open!
KC in Texas, 24 years on the job.
PopppaBlue59 11 months ago
@PopppaBlue59 haha k i will thanks you for your support i hope to be the best firefighter ic an be
adamxaiver 11 months ago
It's easy to watch a video and criticize it, but for what it's worth I do not like the BC's call to go offensive on this fire. It's self vented, with heavy fire conditions on the back half of the house. Looking at it, I would think it is a collapse waiting to happen. That being said great job getting it to convert. as quickly as you did. Stay safe !
helipoison 1 year ago 3
@helipoison it could be close to collapse, but who knows. is it an older home? older homes tend to stay upright longer, due to the true 2x4's and non-lightweight construction. im not arguing, im just saying that my size up makes me think that its an older home.
CTFD13 1 year ago
No windows? do you not see all the squares around the house? what are they? just burnout holes in the house? theres obviously windows. JOB WELL DONE GUYS. Good to see they went in and got it. It was Well Involved, Not Fully Involved. Fully Involved the roof would be gone and Fire would be Blowing. Fire is jsut starting to lick at the windows and doors where they entered. So They did a great job.
ryan394raley 1 year ago
I don't think they needed to vent, looks like an old house with no windows and screens
Jrltz7 1 year ago
It's a working structure fire
ROBERTABEL1 1 year ago
its funny how different fire brigades around the worl work and fight fires, here in Victoria Australia, specially my two brigades we would do so many things different good and bad i suppose...
000PUMPER000 1 year ago
Was there a truck crew on scene? I didn't see anyone go and ventilate. Or was there horizontal ventilation?
srsquad8 1 year ago
Awesome!!!.... Good to see some other aggresive florida departments out there!!!! nice knock down and keep up the fight fellas!
GreyGhost243 1 year ago
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GreyGhost243 1 year ago
Good knock down. Good effort by all involved. But, red flagg is the sign in the yard, what are we saving in these situations. I know we all want to see the orange, myself included, but is the risk worth the benefit on a house that is most likely vacant and will be taken down. Food for thought thats all. Otherwisde they did a nice job.
buffettphan1 1 year ago 2
are you using a quint as your primary engine?
ArmyRescue2 1 year ago
They have the same ladder truck like mine
RayLetts 1 year ago
did they drag that line through the house?
Iceman2692 1 year ago
I find that firefighters who critcize other are: A. Less than 10 years on the job B. Never had anything really 'rotten' happen to them in a structure fire.
Until the above happens the mouth engages before the brain....peace....
MegaMantim 1 year ago
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cafryrmn 1 year ago
@MegaMantim Agreed....there are plently of "arm-chair firefighters" second guessing everything they see in a video of a structure fire.
cafryrmn 1 year ago
I am a volly and that is still not a fully involved structure fire. Fully involved means all four walls and roof are nothing but fire. Some of the property could be saved.
wdfoley 1 year ago
@wdfoley < According to my International Fire Service Training Association Textbook titled "Fire Service Orientation and Terminology", Fully Involved is defined as "Term of size-up... fire, heat and smoke in a structure are so widespread that internal access must wait until fire streams can be applied." Much like the men in the video, I would have called this "fully involved" and I sure as hell would not have gone in without a hose in my hand.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
that, is by no means fully involved
skistud82891 1 year ago
with my department if theres no roof then its fully involved. this stucture is partially involved by my dept standards
maplekid1994 1 year ago
Does anyone ever sit back and read these posts....man we talk about a brotherhood that we all live and work in..but we're cannibals! doesn't matter what anyone does they're gonna get shredded for it, can't win here... everyone here has made a mistake once or twice....trust me,and how the heck can we tell if its occ. or not from a video! anyone ever finally put it out and found a cooked murdered homeless guy? just cause the fires out doesn't mean it's over.
markan173 1 year ago 21
@markan173 ....wow....I never really thought about it that way....that's a whole different perspective...because I watch these videos all of the time and don't think about things like that
rvpKellz 1 year ago
@rvpKellz ...I know it...I just get kind of tired reading the same bashing, all the time, everyone's an armchair quarterback. Firefighters, by nature of the trade, are generally A type personalities, and seemingly very willing to chew each other up when they see what they perceived to be a mistake.....you gotta love em, but we still eat our young at times!! LOL
markan173 1 year ago
@markan173 it's ironic that you mention Type A personalities because I was learning about those last week in my business management and organizational behavior classes...anyways....I love all firefighters because you guys are hereos day in and day out....plus some of them are hot (no pun intended).
rvpKellz 1 year ago
Nice job of steam the first due interior crew! way to go 2nd line!
seanjohn670 1 year ago
1:41 always enter and exit on your knees
mortonfiredept 1 year ago
Good job with the take down guys!!! But I had a question to everyone, I know SOPs/SOGs vary from area to area but shouldn't they have hit up high before going in? You know to cool some of the gases cuase it does roll ove a bit after they made entry but I'm not sure they saw it cause of the heavy smoke. Then again maybe it was the angle it was shot it but I was just woundering but all in all that was a fast and badass interior attack!!!!! Lol
e45coolboy 1 year ago
@e45coolboy< Some departments actually have real fireman that actually fight the fire. I get so tired of Vaginafied crews that stand outside while peoples lives burn away. I've seen structures far more involved that this be knocked out with two men, one hose and the 500 gals that they brought with them simply because they had the balls to do their damn job.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
That truck right there...a 2003 E-One Quint 75ft stick?
RBFF123 1 year ago
I am not a firefighter but it seems to me that unless it is too dangerous that you would enter the structure to look for anyone who might be in there. Just because there is a for sale sign out front and the house is SUPPOSED to be empty doesn't mean that it isn't. Transients, kids playing around, etc., could be in there.
Right or wrong?
UtahMike41 1 year ago
no reason to go in at all. its risk vs. benefit. empty house, for sale sign, hey we all gotta be aggressive but fire over head,front to back? nah stay outside and douche with monitors
fireguye4 1 year ago
did they go interior ?
ogreny 1 year ago
the22duce i agree its well invovled not fully invovleed and partialy invovled just sounds stupid for the retards out there A FULLY INVOVLED FIRE MEANS THERES NOTHING BUT FIRE AND A FRAME OF WHAT USED TO BE A HOUSE all you book readers need to start getting your hands dirty
waldrezz77 1 year ago
@waldrezz77< Really???? Because according to my International Fire Service Training Association Textbook titled "Fire Service Orientation and Terminology", Fully Involved is defined as "Term of size-up... fire, heat and smoke in a structure are so widespread that internal access must wait until fire streams can be applied." That means you cannot enter unless you're carrying or directly behind a water hose, and that's exactly what I see in this video.
tubesteakdynamo 1 year ago
A structure fire with a "for sale" sign in the front yard always brings a ?? to mind.
herbiedrumr369 1 year ago
@herbiedrumr369 haha it's the truth herbie
proby77 1 year ago
Very aggressive. Excellent knock down. Only complaint I have is a few too many guys following the attack line without so much as a tool in hand.
creepingrevenge 1 year ago
Really Nice interior Attack Great job if my house was burning i would want someone to do a job like this
BassCatchinFool1 2 years ago
ware is this at
whiteboymaxout 2 years ago
Damn good response and attack, Git Er Done!!
ishtech101 2 years ago
I love how the smoke transitions from black and thick... to white after attack is made..go to :40, study the smoke, then go to 3:40 and it's all steam!!!...Greattt job!!:)..only toook 3 minutes
JoshyBallz4 2 years ago
Good aggressive interior attack!
co19ff 2 years ago
and my last comment of "suround and drown" was only if they knew there was know one inside
WEFC43 2 years ago
surround and drown boys
WEFC43 2 years ago
nice job, during interior
FFrescue72 2 years ago
Where's their water supply is there no Hydrants in the area
Cand0002 2 years ago
In some rural parts of the country, hydrants are far apart or very scarce. If need be, they can bring a water tender. Looks like they were going off of the engine tanks so they need to be conservative with their water. All in all they did a great job in knocking it down quickly. :)
pjr1069 2 years ago
great job guys... i love a good interior attack...you got the wet stuff on the red stuff..
93CFD 2 years ago
Gotta love a good, get down, kick as interior attack. Must agree with staying low going in....IF that fire flashed or had a roll over, I shudder to think what would of happened.
fyrmanjon6207 2 years ago
What ever happened to LifeSafety zones? yeesh
Stealthguy06 2 years ago
Good example of "keeping your cool" great job guys!
850fireman 2 years ago
looks like a dry burn to me....
knightsaber67 2 years ago
retards for even making an attack on that shed of a house, thick brown smoke upon their arrival, do we need to send someone back to the fire academy?
Ckdodge88 2 years ago
@ Ckdodge88--for all you know this could be a empty house that there using to train on interior attack..Are you even a Firefighter? thick brown smoke doesnt mean let it burn..there could be people traped inside.....
WEFC43 2 years ago
@Ckdodge88 Exactly...they were lucky it didn't flash on them or the roof collapsed. This, imo, should have been a surround and drown. Nothing to gain by an interior attack. This house was a complete loss already upon arrival.
frmnfrmdc 1 year ago
you never enter standing yet alone go through a structure fire like that.all itll take is one good flash over and your tater tots
kingoffools13 2 years ago 2
Wheres the R.R.A.T.?
ishtech101 2 years ago
i think u mean a RIT or FAST team.
FFNButta 2 years ago
Yeah, that was my bad, Rapid Intervention Team is the RIT TEAM, havent heard them called the FAST team however, does it stand for anything? Like RIT, rapid intervention team?
ishtech101 2 years ago
FAST stands for Firfighter Assist & Search Team
drumminkid67 2 years ago
Thank u sir! Hadnt heard them called the fast team, but did know the rit team, brainfart, thank for the info man, peace brother!
ishtech101 2 years ago
yea FAST mean Fire Fighter Assistance Search Team. FAST for short. its what we call it up North. Alot of us have FAST engines, trucks, or even rescues. Whatever the FD SOP's are for a FAST or RIT activation and if ur fd has one
FFNButta 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
its not fully involved
the22duce 2 years ago
Semantics, when the roof is caving in and fire is rolling out of all the openings it's FULLY INVOLVED. Would you call it partially involved then?
fyreman132 2 years ago 36
@fyreman132 we just call em working fires
georgethe09 1 year ago
@fyreman132 LOL......Nice video of a FULLY INVOLVED structure fire.
cafryrmn 1 year ago
@fyreman132 Actually i would call it partially involved.. You can see windows with no flames comming out.. Now if it was fully involved, Even the nails in the wood would be burning.. You would see flames comming out of all windows, doors, cracks, everything would be burning.. Which would be FULLY involved.
xlxjus10xlx 1 year ago
@fyreman132 How about ' Well involved"
llfdemt 1 year ago
good job guys!!
cant wait to be a firefighter!
orrush 2 years ago
color of the trucks is really nice, =}
Rodzhila 2 years ago
I remember one of my 1st fires it was a room and contents fire i went in crouched all low, i got smacked on the head uuuhhh helmet HAHA
Burner55 2 years ago
awesome video
twinboysfire52 2 years ago
WOW!! Y DID that red hat go in!!!
LiLJohn71088 2 years ago
Hahaha we got red hats that'll go in
proby77 2 years ago
why would you go through the front door standing up and than use an interior attack line standing up
ELFCff 2 years ago
What a rookie misconception. We teach little kids to stay low. We're firefighters with gear and equipment. If you can tolerate it and it'll make your task that much easier, why not enter standing? It should be encouraged more actually.
firemedic561 2 years ago
because thermal layering only affects kids?
PPE isnt a invincible.
adam1633 2 years ago
Rookie misconception? Thermial layering is a fact. Standing up while in a fire is just plain stupid. Add water from your hose and you have a steam layer up there that will go right through your PPE. Staying low is for everyone not just kids.
Emsworker68 2 years ago
i bet you know all about firefighting ... rookie misconception,,, thats an awful big word for a youtube firefighter why are you so hard on the rookies? i was a rookie one time and i made every mistake in the book... thankfully noone made fun of me. and if someone stands up in a fire, let them be the judge of if its stupid. if they get burnt, they will never do it again...be nicer to the new generation..
93CFD 2 years ago
93CFD um, if you look it was firemedic that was using those "big words" not me.
I have a problem with your statement "if they get burnt, they will never do it again" than you follow it up with "be nicer to the new generation". Teaching and being a good example to the rookies and showing them the dangers is being nice. Being a hard ass to them is letting them do stupid things and getting hurt. Smacking their helmet when they go to stand up is being nice. Would you rather they burn?
Emsworker68 2 years ago
All this coming from a guy called "Emsworker"! So what do you do, shipping/receiving for an ambulance company?
firemedic561 2 years ago
What are you 5...stop with personal attacks and try addressing what I wrote in an adult manner.
I volunteer with an ambulance services but I have been a firefighter for over 10 years. I am an officer in my fire department. Is that ok with you..
Now, do you have anything constructive to say about thermal laying and the need to stay low while doing primary, secondary or interior attack....if not please move on.
Emsworker68 2 years ago
I can understand squatters and homeless can be inside these vacant buildings, but around these parts we have alot of drug houses and assholes who dont give a shit about firefighter safety can cut holes in floors and booby trap the hell out of the place making it unsafe for firefighters to make entry. With my department it is such a problem that we have a policy we do not make entry on ANY vacant structure no matter what.
tornadoguy2006 2 years ago
How about instead of going totally offensive or defensive with abandoned structures we try something different. Have a line with a straight stream knock down most of the fire from the exterior then mop up with an interior line. You won't get alot of fire pushed into the structure with a straight stream.
up95 2 years ago
Looks like Charlotte county's Engine was pumping the fire. They could have up to 1000 gallons on board. (enough to get a knock down) and Punta Gorda's quint pulled some 4inch for the supply line. Another Engine pulled in behinde the Ladder. I'm guessing they layed in the supply up to PG's ladder. Not bad for an Explorer. huh?
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cougaspatupa 2 years ago
Idk the Engine in front might have picked up that line for them, maybe the Engine had a hydrant. But he said he hadnt seen one so idk
NC403Firefighter 2 years ago
my guess would be they bring in tankers from around the area, set up a dump tank and a water shuttle operation
80fireman 2 years ago
I cannot find too many things RIGHT with this... The two in two out rule was violated at 3:56 and 4:03. Alot is to be learned from this video.
firefrenzy669 2 years ago
I am guessing they have a water tender coming? working of the tank for a fire that is an abandoned house isn't that smart. They should conserve the water for exposers, if there are any ; can't see that well. A fire like that if you know what you are doing should be able to get knocked down with 500 gallons. They need short bursts and hit the hot spots when the water tender arrives or pull an additional line of another engine/quint. There are enough units there to handle this small fire.
RalphFDNY4life 2 years ago
didnt seem to be in any hurry but i was glad to see they went in and got it, great fast interior attack
Tjh113724 2 years ago
This is what fire fighting is all about no fuckin around get there and get the job done awesome work guys its good to know that you guys take pride in your work standing ovation from me !
irishfan53greg 2 years ago
LOL the sign said No Money Down. Who would put a downpayment on a burned house.
brandonya1990 2 years ago
For anyone who says defenive attack, you you need to ask yourself why the fuck am I a firefighter! Watch this video they put the fucker out!!! How you ask, Oh thats right by going in a burning building. Stay safe and do your jobs.
zacharmedic1 2 years ago
Way to go guys, nice job!
code3ta25 2 years ago
was a very good video on how a quick attack made a dif. just reading the smoke you can tell that they really put the wet stuff on the red stuff, only thing that would have made that video better was to see a fan set up at the door and a back window opend up, never thought it would work but man, it clears out a house right now. other then that great vid!
FireEMS215 2 years ago
any idea what started the fire?
Capt421 2 years ago
Well, with an interior attack, one could potentially find a homeless person squatting or even find a murder scene covered up by arson. That's just my two cents for those who wonder "Why?'.
FockeFire84 3 years ago
heavy fire condition abandoned house why an inside attack???
Fougeddaboudit16 3 years ago 5
@Fougeddaboudit16 The fire started some how. Might have been kids playing with matches?
Sneak693 1 year ago
Man, I really respect fire departments with balls. I know a lot of firefighters that would have just stood there and said "yup, it's burning."
alextothehbro 3 years ago
Hmm...For Sale...
If it could be saved, I bet someone with knowledge of construction could get a HONEY of a deal on this one. :)
Great job (I know NOTHING about firefighting so I am not going to get into that argument) to all!
~LauraG.~
DannyPhantom3599 3 years ago
everything went well this time and it was a very good knock down but im sorry i would have never sent crews inside there with such heavy fire conditons plus with what looks to be a very old structure i would have called for a defence attack from the beginging (unless there was reports of intrapment)
fireguitar11 3 years ago 3
I love arrogant career firefighters. Hats off to you Blackhat. I idolize career firefighters that started on the vollie side. They do it for all the right reasons, for the love of the service. I do want to take the time to thank you for your respect brother. Blue light and pager might not make me a firefighter but the brotherhood does. Hope you have a good 24 on shift, and enjoy your 48 off. I'll keep my pager on my belt for ya.
cpvfd 3 years ago 12
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drfd25 3 years ago
@cpvfd THAT COULDN'T OF BEEN SAID ANY BETTER.. GOOD WORDS BROTHER ! ! ! IM ALSO A VOLUNTEER FOR TERRYVILLE FIRE DEPT IN LONG ISLAND,NY STAY SAFE BROTHER AND TOO ALL OTHERS FF'S WHO ARE CAREER OR VOLLY, WE ALL ARE IN THIS SERVICE FOR THE SAME REASON, AND THAT IS TO RISK OUR LIFE TO SAVE A STRANGERS ** GOD BLESS AND NEVER FORGET 9-11-01 FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES ******* RAY FROM NY
mafia7542 2 years ago
the only decision i disagree with is the fact that the ladder truck dead in teh water..there appears to be no powerlines so the only obstruction would be trees..there have been many times where ive seen trucks pull directly into the yard to avoid obstructions..it wasnt needed but it couldve been set up as a precaution..had it gotten to bad they couldve pulled the crews out and IMMEDIATLY started deffinsive attack instead of waiting to set the truck up..just my opinion
jhickman161 3 years ago
response to jhickman161, this truck has a 75' ladder they can reach just fine without risking sinking in dirt. There are no hydrants around, cant do much with 500gals on the truck, and besides Im a truckie on that apparatus and my crew can have it operational in 30 secs or less sounds to me like your crews should train more...
floridafirefighter85 2 years ago
not critizing(sp) but anything with smoke showing our truck is geting set up..and so had they went deffensive they woulda ran outta water? the engine shoulda supplyed the truck..jus my opinion but need less to say no one got hurt and everything went as planned..no reason to get worked up jus stating my own opinions
jhickman161 2 years ago
A defensive attack with the ladder? With no hydrant? Yeah...that would last all of about 15 seconds. Then what?
TheFox3526 2 years ago
like i said jus as a precaution and also like i said to floridafirefighter85 had it been defensive would they have ran out of water? if the engine had a supply line they should of supplyed the truck
jhickman161 2 years ago
No kidding!
250, mabey 500 gallons at most....
SkyhawkACE123 2 years ago
every1 can sit here and pick at this video..bc u dont agree..things are ALOT different in person than on video..most departments (like mine) do routine inspections on our vacant structures and if their not suitable to go into we mark it..so this chief probably had an idea of the sturdiness and conditions of this structure..had their been fire blowing from every window and every door then it would have been different..they were able to gain entry and knock a bulk of the fire down and no1 got hurt
jhickman161 3 years ago
blackhat also we are firefighters, im a volunteer and we are im sorry you think we arent but well if it wasnt for us, well at least in my state we'd be screwed we have the training and the knowledge yes bferr does sounds crazy but watch what you say money isnt everything
firefighterfreak25 3 years ago
as we watch this we can pick out the mistakes and make everyone feel better making them think they are the hero cause they wouldnt have done that, like where i live the dispatch says structure with unknown if people are inside if there is even the slightest possibility someone is in we do what we can to find that out safely these videos are for show and training, im sure whoever took this video has seen it and has learned dont pick at this video im sure their training team already has just enjoy
firefighterfreak25 3 years ago
You guys are hurtin. Give me a break, we never truly "know" if someone is in a structure until the fire is out and both a primary and secondary search have been given an all clear. There are many homeless due to foreclosures that are living in these structures because no one checks on them. You got hired or volunteered to fight fire, not watch it burn. Be safe brothers!
lt882c 3 years ago
completly agreed
jhickman161 3 years ago
god damn i agree with jeryrob too why fucking risk the men for an abandon structure. haha not for sale anymore
HBFD14 3 years ago
volunteer bud....sorry
blackhat1532 3 years ago
I agree with you they should have stuck to a defensive atack like team b if that roof would have colapsed they probably would not have got out alive i know that and i am in a volintear fier dept.
kwen1995 3 years ago
I agree with jerryrob...but as for you the comment below me...Your soooo tough, go in and fight it yourself!!!What you need to do is take some more classes and learn about the new age construction! That fire could be in the cockloft for quite some time burning slow! Plus if you know sooo much about firefighting then more power to you...BUT having a BLUE light and a PAGER doesn't make you a firefighter!!!! I wouldn't let your JR ass on my Tower any time!
blackhat1532 3 years ago
i don't know why there are so many people second guessing them going inside.....the house was ony like 1/2- 3/4 involved. Its what us american firefighters do... And all you rocket scientists talking about prefab trussess and all that other mumbo jumbo.....please give me a break.... You don't have to worry about those boys, their good and tough....obviously its how they pay their bills....War bungalow slayers!!!!!
bferr1 3 years ago
man those guys are fast. my grandma should be jealous
humps333 3 years ago
This Chief should lose his job if he is even paid(which i doubt). No reason what so ever to send guys in there. THey have fire above them the whole time. House was lost before they entered.
MMichitti77 3 years ago
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floridafirefighter85 2 years ago
Check your stats and your spelling.
52% LODD Career Firefighters.
48% LODD "Vollies"
In this country, approximately 80% of firefighters are "vollies'. That means about 20% of the firefighters (career) are making up 52% of line of duty deaths.
But in the end stats are just stats and this means nothing. I don't understand bashing volunteers.
The point is to SAVE lives, not to "Safe" lives. Sorry for being a vollie that knows the English language.
stupidvollie 2 years ago
Light weight prefab wood trusses with heavy fire involvement in the roof in an obviously abandoned structure = defensive attack. Why risk a structural collapse with men inside on a house that will be torn down within a week. Terrible judgment and tunnel vision on the part of the OIC.
jerryrob 3 years ago 3
Ventilation
MoreheadFire 3 years ago
Sorry for the last sentence. I did not mean that. i was just messin with the audio
JiveAss666 3 years ago
Shitty house, No money down, whitetrash piece of shit dwelling . I SURE AS SHIT WON'T go in there. You dudes got some fuckin BALLS. i jack off tho firefiters
JiveAss666 3 years ago
looks like FLORIDA. Everthing burns here
JiveAss666 3 years ago
either way the guys did an awsome job with getting an all clear. i agree with the philosophy, risk alot to save alot, risk nothing to save nothing. i wouldve liked to see a ric crew set up before they went interior but some fd's dont train like we do. all in all it was risky but you cant help but to give props on a good knock down and a good save. great job guys. pffa local 3449
SMOKEYTINMAN 3 years ago 3
Good view: Risk alot to save alot, risk nothing to save nothing. But there are the times like here where you do risk alot to save barely anything. But would you rather be complimented on the risks you took or reprimanded for not taking risks and losing a victim because of it. Either way great job.
trekriderPA332 3 years ago
I am a vollie in Upstate NY. Been a Vollie for 13 years now. Okay, I read a lot of the comments and Monday morning QB'ng... I think they did what was needed to be done. A quick and aggressive knock down. Saved the structure (2 bedroom unit) and there was a secondary line charged. Fyreman..any idea if this was an arson job?
njluvpets 3 years ago
Hey Brother, thanks for the comment. Not sure if this was arson but considering the current economy and the fact that it's up for sale could raise questions. Financial records would have clarified some of those questions.
fyreman132 3 years ago
remember risk vs. benefit. no need to enter
ntfd125 3 years ago
I didn't see a backup team at the front door. I only saw more and more people going in
proby77 3 years ago
Forgive me if i disagree with you truckie...as a long time firefighter in an area that was full of old homes and abondoned structures, there is no reason you risk the safety of your crew to do an interior attack on what appears to be a vacant house. Foreclosure sign in the yard, no car, mid-day, un-kept yard...the idea that "It's not abandoned until the primary and secondary search is complete" does not apply to every structure. you have to use common sense, pointless interior attack...
givemeabreak017 3 years ago 4
until a fire fatality from some homeless person who happened to be inside... its smarter to do a quick search and knock it down fast, rather than possibly leave someone to die inside, and risk exposures doing a defensive.
CTFD13 3 years ago
Good point CTFD, however, we also need to take into consideration how much fire there is in that building... When the video first starts it appears it might just be in the back end of the house but as they enter with the line we see the house is damn near fully involved with fire. (I.E. no civilians inside are going to be alive, so stay outside.)
DFDfirefighter 3 years ago
With fire conditions like this they would have expired long before the attack crew went in. You would not catch me going in searching with quickly deteriorating conditions without a charged line. Unless you want to end up as another statistic.
I was very surprised to watch the brothers "walk" into that mess. Unless it was'nt as bad inside as it appeared from the outside?
911caddy 3 years ago
I say weigh the risks, crappy house, no car in driveway, midday, probably empty and even if its not empty, with that amount of heat and smoke, nothing inside is living, so I definately wouldn't risk my guy life on it, you're not saving anything.... This is a prime example of TUNNEL VISION!!!!
parasgtwebster 3 years ago 2
sweet video... but arent you not supposed to be doing that on scene,,,
mksfhdksd 3 years ago
I wasn't on shift nor do I work for the department that responded to this fire. I was doing some training in the city when I noticed the smoke column and the trucks responding.
fyreman132 3 years ago
I agree with truckie. and as much as we love to criticise each other, we all have our own issues when its our own fire ground. it looks like you guys handled it well. got the fire knowcked down quickly, got good conversion, and may have not had a ric, but there was at least two out, which in alaska, because of low staffing is not always the case. and yes i know that was a huge run-on sentance.
Akfiremun 3 years ago
It's not abandoned until the primary and secondary search is complete. The fact that it was well ventilated would help the primary search and advancing the attack line. With the amount of fire showing, there was a good chance for extention into the roof. That is why we check for extention. Yes, it would be a great idea to check overhead. All in all, well done!
a36truckie 3 years ago
for sale sign out front, house looks abandon, and already vented, no need to risk lives on a interior attack, they should have gone defensive here, and i didnt see a ric team set up did you?
mcreynolds85 3 years ago 3
Well not sure if they set up a ric team but there were enough people on scene to pull from if it were necessary to send them in for that reason. Thanks for the comment :)
fyreman132 3 years ago
I don't like to criticize too much but I must say there were some pretty poor judgments on the part of the firefighters/OIC.
riverokines 3 years ago 3