Satchel Paige 1948 baseball pitcher Indians v Braves

[tomitstube]

amazing footage. warren spahn, bob feller, and satchel paige pitching in the same game.

[mhedrick2323]

wow 41 year old rookie imagine if he were 21 or so he would have dominated so screwed up blacks werent allowed to play before 1947

[bio2020]

I am trying to find the hesitation pitch that was claimed was a "balk"

I can't find any hestitation pitches here on youtube

[eledef07]

Ruth Maris and DiMaggio would have had terrible numbers against satch

[TigerLikesTail]

Won rookie of the year at age 42

6 -1

ERA 2.48

1.14 Whip

2 Complete game shutouts

Imagine the greatness had he pitched in his prime in the majors.

[johnathonbingham]

@TigerLikesTail Didn't win rookie of the year. Both MLB and Sporting News gave the award to others.

[baseballfreak1125]

google benwahrlebaseballparks

[satan865]

only if the negro players were in the majors ....they would of crushed records like dimaggio or maris or ruth

[andrewr62]

Really hard to say. Ruth, Maris and Dimaggio would have been just as successful in the Black leagues. Overall I don't believe the negro lead pitching was any better or worse than in the majors.

[bondsly]

They had some great players in the 1940's Larry Doby and Satchel Paige, Lou Bodreau ,Joe Gordon,Ken Keltner,Bob Lemon,Johnny Sain,,Warren Spahn, Vern Bickford,Al Dark,Bob Elliott,Joe Dimaggio,Tommy Henrich,Yogi Berra,Ed Lopat,Allie Reynolds,Ted Williams,Vern Stephens,Dom Dimaggio,Johnny Pesky,Stan Musial,Enos Slaughter,Howie Pollet,Dixie Walker,Ralph Kiner,Johnny Mize,Ferris Fain,Bobby Doerr,Hal Newhouser,Mel Parnell,Jackie Robinson,Roy Campanella,Andy Pafko,Sid Gordon,Larry Jansen andlots more

[fred0245]

Warren Spahn--------born in Buffalo, NY. One of the best ever. Satchel Paige, a thrill to watch even after his major league days ended when he pitched in the International League.

[deltapunk21]

pitchers hitting in the AL...wow

[tetedepoulet]

Wait, the Braves were in Boston?

[hacksaw811]

Yes...they were in Boston, then Milwaukee, then Atlanta

[eatsandsleeps]

Too bad you can't stand out near the outfield like they are doing in this film any more. How cool would that be?

[NegroLeagueBaseball]

If you go to Kansas City,Missouri

You can go to the Negro League Hall of Fame!

[NegroLeagueBaseball]

Satch was 42 in this video.

Satchel Paige was one of the fastest pitchers in the world.He has a saying about age:"If you don't mind,it don't matter."He also made 3 shutout innings at the age of 59.He was elected in the Negro League Hall of Fame in 1971.

He died of a heart attack on June 8,1982.

[jdsoultrn]

Smoltz on his own team was a better post-season pitcher. Bottom line - If I had to win one game, Maddux (11-12) post-season record, would NOT be my choice to start the game for me,

[ELTALTARO22]

classic stuff great!

[AGDLover]

i heard of stachel paige

[lemonpie95]

one of my friends are related to Lou Boudreau

[giantsfan066]

what a privlige these color folk had back then!

thank the lord. god bless

[AskJeeves17]

are you an idiot?

[KDviewer07]

Does anyone have videos of the 1995 World Series in which my Braves won?

[csorba20]

who's that last lefty pitcher?

[jensinorkt350]

That last lefty pitcher is Warren Spahn, the winningest lefty in all of MLB history

[jdsoultrn]

I'm certainly not disputing those records. They are amazing. I even say that Babe Ruth was the best player of all time because he was the only one who was an HOF'er as an OF and could have been as a pitcher. However, with that being said, in my opinion the quality of baseball was at its finest in the 50's and 60's. You had the Black and Latino players along with the Mantles, Koufax, Ford, etc. and the league wasn't watered down as it is today. 1.12 ERA and 58 consec SHO innings are better.

[Anglefan12]

Take it in context, batting averages were lower, the hitters weren't roided, so while a 1.12 ERA is damn impressive, it's not as impressive as Greg Maddux having a 1.something ERA in 1995 when the average league ERA was like 4 as opposed to Gibson doing it with a league average at 3.

It's hard to compare eras, so don't just compare direct stats, compare era stats and then look at the individual, judge them against their peers first.

[jdsoultrn]

I agree. In fact, Pedro Martinez had an under 2 ERA one year during the "Steroid" era. It may have been the best ever. Especially pitching at Fenway.

[Anglefan12]

That's true too, but I'd say Maddux was the best pure pitcher ever, because he didn't have a blistering fastball he could go to if he go in trouble. A LOT of guys just sort of go "fuck it" and throw the heat when they're in trouble, and it'll often work, Maddux didn't do that, he had to outthink every hitter.

[negtype13]

Yeah, he really must have thought he outsmarted Will Clark in Game 1of the

89' NLCS watching the ball leave Wrigley in Clark's out-of-the-park grandslam;

(his 2nd HR off Greg in the game mind you) as he pretty much single-handedly defeated the Cubs for the pennant. I will say you're right about that fastball though. Seeing as that's what he tried to get by Clark with the bases juiced. HAHA! The THRILL!!!

[Anglefan12]

Okay, so in 1989 before his prime he wasn't perfect, o damn. I think it's funny that you had to go back to 1989 to find an instance when he was outsmarted. I don't think you can deny that the guy was a genius and perhaps the greatest pitcher ever putting up the types of numbers he did in the steroid era without blistering heat.

[negtype13]

no no man...I was just bustin balls

I would never deny that he's a great pitcher. And you're exactly right in his way that he attacks the batter.

[jdsoultrn]

Maddux was an outstanding pitcher for 6-7 innings in the 100 pitches he threw. However Gibson, Koufax, Seaver, Satch, etc. went 9 innings without pitch counts. The toughest outs in a game are the last three. Wohlers, Smoltz, and Rocker helped him get those. Spahn and Marichal once pitched 17 or18 scoreless innings apiece in a 1-0 final.

[Anglefan12]

I don't know about 6-7 innings, Maddux was one of the most efficient pitcher ever, I believe one time he pitched a complete game with just 76 pitches.

You're right, those guys did pitch a lot more innings, however, it was a different time, you can't fault maddux for that. Plus they pitched off a higher mound and against much weaker line-ups. Maddux pitched in the steroid era.

[jdsoultrn]

The mound was lowered after 1968. Seaver, Carlton, Palmer, Catfish went 9 innings after the mound was lowered. Maddux was not a very good post season pitcher. Smoltz was better than Maddux with the chips on the table.

[Anglefan12]

Yea, but if the Braves had a better bullpen in the 90s, Maddux wouldn't have had to pitch so many innings. I know they went 9 innings after the mound was lowered, that wasn't my point.

My point was, it was common for guys to go 9, it wasn't when maddux pitched so you can't even use that as a comparison. The mound thing was that they had an advantage that Maddux different and Maddux went against MUCH harder line ups.

[JamespOwns]

I wouldn't say weaker line-ups.... Spahn was facing Ted Williams, Stan Musial, and Joe Dimaggio..... considered to be among the top three hitters all time...

[jdsoultrn]

I believe that Satchel Paige was the greatest pitcher of all time. He was a 42 year old rookie with Cleveland in 1948. He was 6-1 with a 2.57 ERA in little less than half a year. Imagine what that would've been had he been 22 instead of 42.

[ubersoxfan001]

I too believe that Satchel was the greatest, but when in baseball conversation, you can't say so because there is no tangeable proof. It's a shame, but there's nothing we can do. In terms of documented history, which is the only thing we can rely on, we have to forget Paige, and remember Walter Johnson as the greatest pitcher of all time.

[jdsoultrn]

I understand your point regarding documented history. However, in baseball conversation, you would have to include an asterisk stating that this is based on what's known. Then you would have to acknowledge the unknown and why. Don't forget also that Walter Johnson as good as he was (and he was great), never faced the absolute best competition at that time. He never faced Black, Latino, and Asian players. (Based on that, you have to put an asterisk when discussing him.)

[ubersoxfan001]

If you don't think Walter Johnson deserves full credit because he didn't play black or latino players, than your saying that no statistic pre-1947 should be taken seriously...it's rediculous. What, you think there should be an asterisk next to 714 home runs? 511 wins? 56 games? I understand your point that it's impossible to speculate what should have been and wasnt because of bigotry, but dont subtract credit from players who had no choice in the matter.

[Pantherfan85]

Man, I'm late. I agree with you jdsoultrn. I personally don't take baseball serious before 1947 because the playing field was not even. No blacks, Latinos etc. Just isn't fair no matter how people try to slice it. The playing field was not even...PERIOD.

[jdsoultrn]

Thanks, Pantherfan85. The facts are the facts!!!

[Pantherfan85]

Agreed.

[inoecentchick28]

Cool papa bell is my faverite because he was alout better than alout of the other white players and sachel paige is good to. I think it is very mean that there was a negro leage that is race descrimination. Was buck McHenry a real peerson was he just made up from that book "finding Buck McHenry". I wish i could have seen how fast papabel was in real life. I think it is very unfair that they didn't keep there stats because who knows maby one of the african americans is betterr that babe ruth.

[rockerduff1231]

spahn was helped by a great defense and a wonderful offense batting for him...he wasnt such a bad batter himself. I think he hit around 31 home runs in his lifetime, no. 1 on the list.

[ubersoxfan001]

The red sox should have been playing in that series instead of the braves. A bad ump call early in the season won a game for cleveland over the sox, they ended up tied and the sox lost the one game playoff. How cool wold that have been to have had a subway series in boston with spahn facing ted!!

[faderjoe]

oh my God- give it up. A Bad Call? How many calls that season did they 'GET' ?? Red Sox were losers then and are lousy winners now. Everything is a bad call or a lousy break to them. Funny they had to become another evil Empire win. Go Indians.

[ubersoxfan001]

It was a bad call. Mel Parnell threw a pitch eraly in tyhe season that a clevelenad batter hit long but foul. The ump, clearly blind, called it a homer. Even the player thought it was foul, it wasnt until he saw Joe Mccarthy coming out to argue that he realized it wasn't. Mel Parnell, obviuosly annoyed, went to the other umps who simply shrugged and said it wasnt their call to make. And now you mock us saying it wasn't a bad call. rediculous.

[ridgerunner72160]

Your post makes no sense at all. The Red Sox are in the American League and the Braves are in the National League.

[ubersoxfan001]

I apologize, i meant to say insead of the indians. With that correction, I'm sure you understand my argument

[rockerduff1231]

it said the braves won you faggots! warren spahn won the game! god damnit ur idiots

[faderjoe]

Spahn was the best ever- check his stats- worth about 25 mil a year today.

[PanicNight26]

the indians won

[sillysweet1]

it's ok. i hope the braves won that game!

[21491silencio]

86,000 fans wow that's a lot!