i hate when people protest against gay marriage lol if there not happy they just want to make everyone else not happy plus all those haters could goto north korea where gay mariage is forbidden lol have fun
@convictor11 The only pride a country can have = the olympics??? What? Have you ever heard of Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Margaret Atwood, The Group of Seven, Daniel Lanois, any of our several Noble Prize winning scientists and doctors etc.? We have some of the greatest writers in the history of humanity! We discovered penicillin! We have our culture! our science and our art. They cancelled all artistic funding in the province to host the olympics. There's a problem here.
I've argued with surrationalone already, but here I go again because otherwise you people just echo-chamber and think it's an accurate measure of popular opinion about protest.
I was at ALL the demos throughout the olympics, I practiced peaceful protest but didn't limit myself to it. The rhetoric of nonviolence (not peaceful protest itself) is a serious barrier to any theoretical mass movement. Peaceful protest has never been enough by itself and it never will be.
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This is retarded. Why are people homeless? Its not because of the olympics. its because the stupid druggies and idiotic people. Like how many times did i see native people asking for free bus rides and free shit from the goverment. They honestly work for nothing and get shit free cause their ancestors. Well you know what? 50% of homeless people are native. They all are fat shits who get drunk and do nothing in life. Itd be better if we shipped them off to die.
It's a basic reality of capitalism that there has to be a lot of poor people. Think about it, wealth i the concentration of resources, therefore, you can't have 1 rich person without having many poor people when there's only so much to go around.
Not that I should bother trying to reason with you, since you're a racist douche-bag as well as a social darwinist. What I'm trying to say is, fuck you :)
Look around you. Quit living in a made up world. People are fuck ups. thats all to it. You dont just become poor. You make your way there. You can live off 8$ an hour.
YOU CAN'T HAVE RICH PEOPLE WITHOUT POOR PEOPLE because there's only so many resources. Capitalism requires that many ppl "lose" so a few can have more than they need. That's how it works!
Of course people are "fuck ups" but that's a separate issue from a social system that enslaves most of us so a few people can have too much.
I DO live off $8 an hour most of the time. A "made up world" ... the hell are you talking about ...?!
Your way of thinking is absolutely stupid. Why do you think those people lose, its because they are failures. They are LOSERS. Are you saying you want everyone to be equal? So the people that work harder or study harder get as much as the next? Yeah im simple. I look at the world as I see it. I dont cry for people that have failed at life. The strong eat the weak. If anything, those bums that dont try to fix there life can go die.
Know what your problem is? You confuse your personal opinions with economic theory. Where do you think welfare came from? They invented it because if they just let "the strong eat the weak" be the motto, society would tear itself apart. Have you ever picked up a book on any of this? I ain't crying for anyone, I'm the guy in your face, telling you you're hating on the victims instead of the crooks. Why don't you rage at the politicians? Instead of judging the weak and spitting on'em?
@UglyFacet --This is a tough subject, one both of you simplify. See, I used to make $8 an hour. And I could not support my family. So what did I do? I changed professions, got a good job, took some risks (winners and losers) and now do a hell of a lot better.
Your blather about being 'enslaved' by the rich is exactly that: Blather.
There are few places in the world where an intelligent and motivated person can get ahead better than in Canada.
@MAJS444 So, you didn't hear about Cochabamba, Bolivia in 2000, where all water, including rain water, was owned by private companies? People were paying up to 25% of their incomes on water, people died, and people protested. I would say that state of economic emergency required protest, and the people had no choice but to be successful.
@--Vancouver isn't Bolivia, comparing the junkies of Hastings to people who were truly exploited by the more cynical of capitalist policies is an insult to those real victims in this world.
@MAJS444 I don't think the junkies of Hastings were marching in any great numbers, by the video footage. There were, on the other hand, people from the health, education, and publishing communities; areas down-sized for olympic spending. What you said was "Protest solves nothing where economies are concerned." Or we can consider a chain of events... The recent privatization of BC Rails, the privatization of BC rivers and streams, cont. privt'n of health care, and tax breaks for big co's. ...
@thesurrationalone ...all while maintaining the minimum wage, etc. So, if money is going to large corporations to build things we don't need using an insecure job market, people are not better off. There is reason to question what is going on here. That was the point of the protest: 'A calling of attention to some of the negative aspects and impacts of the Olympics.' That was the point of the march according to their media statement.
@thesurrationalone --Fair enough. I would be the first to acknowledge that the issues in BC are deeper than those solely of bad people.
By any measure, Gordon Campbell has been a lousy premier, but (and this I know), the people of BC are notoriously fickle. They want their cake and want to eat it too.
I can think of hundreds of ways I could have made money off of having an event as huge as the Olympics in my area, and you can rest assured that I would have put energy into that before protest.
@MAJS444 The government doesn't fund the publication of political rags. It did however subsidize the publishing of music, fiction, non-fiction, and literary magazines. Of course some students were there, they have time and energy enough to have a conscience. I can assure you that organizations such as Liberation BC, Pivot Legal, native leaders, and other rights groups were present at the march. ...And I just started to read up on 'The Sick of the World'. Looks good. I'm looking for it online.
To be perfectly honest, I will take the Olympics over a lot of things any day. It was a huge opportunity, and protest was wasted energy when anyone and everyone could have thought of a way to cash in and better themselves.
I know all sorts of people were at the protests, many who had legitimate grievances.
However, these types of mass protests ALWAYS bring out the anarchist rabble and hysteric leftists.
Hence, any sane thought is drowned out by absurd chants and violence.
@MAJS444 Oh, I quite agree. I am extremely frustrated by undirected, inarticulate, beer-motivated rabble. At the same time, the reason I made this and all of the other commentary videos, mock theme songs, etc. was to criticise the violent expressions while bringing reason back to the discussion. I quite agree that there were many wasteful and distracting actions made, but as for me, with my books, albums, and artistic community in mind, as for the closure of the map van and the bad-date-tracker
@thesurrationalone ...for the sex workers of East Vancouver, as for the inflated and highly volatile construction labour market that was generated at the expense of taxpayers and the resulting displaced labour force... I think they're worth "drawing attention to". I think that's reasonable. And I think you're reasonable, and have been much better able to figure out the 'economics of staying alive' than I have been so far.
@thesurrationalone -Lots of problems in Vancouver and the lower mainland. Very racially segregated too. A lot of these problems are worth drawing attention to, but to me, the Olympics, which should be treated as a celebration and an opportunity, are not the correct venue.
The world is watching, and the world doesn't give two shits about local problems in an affluent city like Vancouver.
However, Vancouver bounced back great with a great Olympics.
@thesurrationalone Recall the Solidarity March of 1983? This was probably the largest protest that BC has ever seen. The number of marchers I have seen estimated at between 80,000 and 200,000 people, depending on which side of center is the person doing the estimating. Unfortunately, the buck stops with men in suits who have the public authority to put pen to paper an enact policy. If you follow the process like a string, that's where the knot is.
@thesurrationalone --Yeah, TR Reid is awesome in it. When you find out that the Japanese pay $100 for an MRI, it makes you think about our system as well as other systems.
I like the idea of regulated prices, privatized delivery.
@MAJS444 The problem is not everyone can move out of that position. The fact that those jobs exist means that people are there working them. That's a fact. If everybody could just trade up, there wouldn't be a problem. Because you managed to improve your life does not mean that other people are not destitute.
@UglyFacet -See, I understand economic theory. It is actually simple. Find something people want or need, get good at delivering it, be it product, service, or both, and sell it.
The problem I see is that, having had the displeasure of being on east Hastings, is that most of the people there are junkie criminals, victimizers more than victims.
The Olympics were a huge success, and by the end of the day, the protestors were a democratic MINORITY!
@UglyFacet --And in closing. I hate politicians too. Lying cocksuckers the lot of them.
But I don't blame them, or the Olympics, for the problems of Vancouver's east end.
The problem, to my understanding, IS the activists who rather than making a REAL effort to create economic opportunity for these people, instead choose to protest and put the blame elsewhere.
It's amazing how a little effort, well executed, can create REAL opportunity.
Protest solves nothing where economies are concerned.
@FRANKANATOR2000 word. i hear that. but the issues aren't separate. it's a double taxation kind of thing: the government gives massive tax relief to building companies and then raises the price of public transportation. so "everybody" pays twice... taxes don't come from industry, they come from the people, and then people have to pay a little extra everyday. i think the same thing has happened with the olympics. it's a question of: who pays and who benefits? answer: workers do and don't.
How about "no coffee shops, high speed internet, or uber hip indie bands playing venues and cafes, and (insert a plethora of other self indulgences now considered "sacred" to these super aware self identified intellectuals) not allowed on stolen native land" while we're at it..(you know..to prove we're committed to 'the cause')?
I wanted to be there but I was already on ice by the RCMP and some Youtube Anti LD Censorship Supporter who had me haulled off to psycho-land. My Support of people still stands Fuck the Government!
Peaceful protest movements, that would have been nice to see during the games. I love how the people with the most in this world complain that they don't have enough. This country gives people some of the greatest opportunities in life but apparently that's not enough. They want it handed to them for free. Ex: Anti poverty committee.
Realistic issues. BC does have the highest child poverty rate in Canada, also the lowest minimum wage. Perhaps the two are related. 200-300 000 Canadians are homeless. That's 1% of the popluation. The leading cause of homelessness in Canada, as of last year, is poverty. Perhaps instead of selling off rivers, health care services, and public railways so a few Canadians can make a lot of money, as has happened in BC, some focus should be shifted toward improving the lives of Canadian citizens?
(Non-sarcastically), I do love complaints, however. Articulation of problems leads to their solutions. The problem with the process is that complaints/criticism and the people making them are so often annoying.
I agree with that statement, but there is a flip side to this. Everything you are describing is the negative side of capitalism. The positive side is that compared to the world, (Not other Canadian provinces.) these numbers are actually pretty good. That is not to say that there isn't room for improvement. We are a G8 nation and no one should be left behind.
That being said, when i see people in there 20's and able bodied complaining that their not getting their hand out I get annoyed.
I agree with both statements. I'm not sure the second is happening, however. Arts funding was retroactively cut this past year. 90% funding cut over two years. Many of the people I saw at this protest were involved in small publishing, for example. Their lives and livelihoods have been harmed. Seal hunt protestors were present. The feds recanted after passing a bill making seal skin mandatory in opening ceremonies uniforms.
I myself am 29, still up to my neck in defaulted student debt, and paralyzed in my arms from excessive minimum wage manual labour. I just moved into a converted storage room. I am not on disabiity or welfare. My books and albums have received good reviews from a few critics, so at least some aspect of my current situation is being acknowledged. I think I could use some help, but no guitar player has ever injured his hands on the job. I felt like the protestors were speaking with me.
I feel for all these people you mention and it is unfortunate about the cuts.
My point is that people such as the APC are drastically harming this movement. The moment people started smashing windows downtown public opinion turned on all the protesters. If I was one of the decent protesters I would try to expel anyone from the rally who is hiding their face or inciting violence.
I did not know about the seal skins. I am strongly opposed to anything that harms animals. Good luck to your cause.
Word. The violence has been and should be condemned. I did that along with many others in a series of vlogs. Not only was it illegal, but it was inarticulate. They had nothing conclusive to say, and failed to draw attention to actual issues. I'm glad we got to converse a bit, moving from sarcasm and cynicism to an actual discussion of views and issues. I'm happy you were able to articulate the 'when I look at this, I see' perspective. Thanks!
We are a wealthy nation and should be able to afford things like the Olympics. There will be a return on investment for these games there is doubt about that. Just how much and how long it will take no one can say for sure.
I have no problem with my hard earned tax dollars going towards the unfortunate. I do have a problem with it going to lazy people who can, yet refuse to contribute to society. These people are actually hurting your cause by swaying public opinion the other way.
Agreed. And if that is what is seen, or interpreted to be the case even if untrue, then the public opinion will be one of condemnation and not sympathy.
Oh, yeah, I totally forgot that they were chanting that too... I must have missed it in the cut. Good critical reporting! You must have watched all the videos on the CBC and on my channel before making such an oblique statment about the video. Thanks for filling in the gaps!
Ah, education! I just can't get enough! I'm sure you'd agree. After my degree in sciences, I pursued sociology. After that, history. That was mind-blowing! Turns out there was this thing called the 20th Century. Fascinating! It gave us cultural innovations like human rights, global war, peaceful protest movements, nuclear weapons, free culture, propoganda, and the internet. Boy, I'm sure glad I have the internet.
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"Serving ones country is very difficult It is so easy to talk Anyone who walked on that path Must endure millions of calamities. "
THESE PROTESTORS ARE COWARDS. NEVER KNOW THE REAL STRUGGLE OF REAL MEN WHO FREED THE COUNTRY OUR MOTHERLAND INDIA FROM THE BRITISH. WE ARE THE WARRIORS. NOT NATIVES.
You're full of shit. the brits wanted out of India and gandhi's non-violent protests helped them to leave. There were no sikh so-called warriors involved. Go read a history book.
Are you fucking Serious? What a drooling fucking retard you are to post such blatant bullshit.
You dont know about our history you stupid fuck.
Have you heard of the Ghadar party? Udham singh? Bhagat singh? Go fucking read up on what they did and then come back and talk to me you fucking inbred shithead.
@JattSoorma YOU FUCKING SHITBRAIN WHERE ARE ALL THE CAPS? I WANT TO SEE YOUR DRIVEL IN LARGE LETTERS YOU DEMENTED SLIMEWAD. BUT DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP ABOUT YOUR HISTORY BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT IT. DON'T RAVE ABOUT IT HERE YOU STINKING PILE OF PUTRIFACTION. JUST FUCK OFF AND CROAK.
@JattSoorma im pritty sure they just couldnt stand the smell of shit no more, and theres like how many fuckin millions of you fuckers u could of killed them in a mudslide , Our native people were killed off by plague given to us by the same white man that came to you , they might even of got it from ur people and brought it over here who knows , you try telling them to leave when 90% of your population is killed , if 90 % of india died world polution would drop, especialy if your part of them
Go back to the Punjab and face the grinding poverty you ran away from you gutless loudmouth slimeball. It's a shithole I know but that's where you belong. Do North America a favour you repulsive lard ass...fuck the hell off.
For once I agree with you..you are not going anywhere. Worthwhile that is. I've enjoyed reading your frothing-at-the-mouth rants and school boy threats. Did nobody ever tell you what people think about embarassing blowhards who brag about their finances? They think they are boorish trash to be avoided like the plague. Have fun looking like a joke and don't forget to keep your collar open so we can all see your dopey gold chain. OAOYSF.
Hahah, Truth hurts doesn't it. You pathetic shit, you really think I give a fuck about what some no name minimum wage working scumbag like you thinks?
Atleast I have accomplishments to brag about. What the fuck have you done? Besides hate on successful minorities who have bigger bank rolls and bigger dicks than you( Thats me)
Goofy slack jawed yokels like you are irrelevant. You have to have a post secondary education to compete with me.
Come back with something clever not "hindu" or Paki
Make an account just to comment huh. Fucking weak cock sucker, I would smash your inbred hill billy face in real life and you know it. You wouldnt even have the guts to look me in my eyes and thats the fucking truth.
I find it difficult to understand why you are unable to realistically compare British occupation in one geographical region with British occupation in another. Estimates of native death in the new world range from 6 to 30 million. Can you think of that number? How was that possible? A lack of bravery? Were the Jews slaughtered for a lack of bravery in WW2? This is a very dangerous way of minimizing human beings without understanding their condition.
"If you don't defend your country, someone will take it. "
YEP. THATS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS.
YOU SEE, I AM SIKH PUNJABI FROM INDA, THE BRITS RULED OVER US FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS. WE TOOK ACTION, STOOD TALL AND CREATED MARTYRS WHO FREED US FROM OPPERSSION. BECAUSE ARE BRAVE AND WARRIORS.
NOW INDIA IS A EMERGING GREAT NATION OF THE WORLD. OUR COMMUNITY THRIVES IN WESTERN COUNTRIES IN POLITICS AND BUSINESS.
WHAT HAVE THE NATIVES(INDIANS) OF NORTH AMERICA DONE BESIDES BITCH AND COMPLAIN?
The self-government identified in Article 4 which you posted stems from the right to self-determination. It is not the municipal government which Canada would 'allow' or 'permit' Indigenous peoples to have, and which you appear to support. There's a freedom of choice component that can't be ignored when dealing with human rights. Not exactly as you said is it.
There is not yet a recognized legal definition of "peoples" in international law. Vita Gudeleviciute of Vytautas Magnus University Law School, reviewing international law and UN resolutions, finds in cases of non-self-governing peoples (colonized and/or indigenous) and foreign military occupation "a people" is the entire population of the occupied territorial unit, no matter their other differences.
In cases where people lack representation by a states government, the unrepresented become a separate people. Present international law does not recognize ethnic and other minorities as separate peoples. -wiki '
It wasn't so long ago that women and blacks were deemed not to be persons.
It was a convenient law that gave people in positions of authority and their supporters the ability to profit from slave labour.
Today it's convenient to not recognize the human rights of Indigenous peoples while profiting from their lands and resources. It's also disgusting and unethical.
Of course you are not profiting - I am very sure whatever profits you make from your Job are all forwarded to the appropriate Aboriginal Authority Unless you are a hypocrite. Furthermore you indicate Natives have little rights. What rights do I enjoy that an Aboriginal person does not have? I am from China and I have many Ancestral relatives that are Mongoloids - I think it is only fair that Chinese Canadians are also included on financial settlement and land claim issues.
I am not arguing with u nor I am trying to be offensive but just adding to your argument in an informative matter...
"In 1920, native people everywhere in Canada had the right to vote. But Status Indians had to give up their treaty rights and registered Indian status to do so."
144 UN member countries endorsed the Indigenous Declaration. International law is about to be updated. If things don't change pretty soon Canada, New Zealand and the US will by the only countries clinging to their colonial racist past.
Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right to belong to an indigenous community or nation, in accordance with the traditions and customs of the community or nation concerned. No discrimination of any kind may arise from the exercise of such a right.
albeit at the same time getting paid millions and millions of dollars for the event. There was even some natives complaining about billboards on there land, which in turn they received 60 million for the two weeks. gimme a break!
It means that when you see some canadians complaining about billboards on their land they're not likely to be the same canadians who gave permission and accepted payment to have the billboards erected. Don't waste my time again you dolt.
It's time to move on in Canada, and quit complaining about the past. It will not help the native people in any way. What was done to them was destructive and terrible and im not disputing that. but if you dwell in the past nothing will come of it. They have it great now, free education, tax free everything, they have all the means to better themselves but they continue to complain. You sir just wasted my time by causing me to check my inbox you fuckin idiot.
You are obviously a complete youtube Nazi! look how many comments you have written. It's getting ridiculous. give it up bud. lol "not only are you stuck in the past" you just said it fuck head. What do you these people are complaining about , land that was overtaken 400 years ago. stuck in the past is right. now please fuck off and quit inundating my inbox with your worthless verbal diarrhea.
Well i wouldn't say it's eating shit, but reading what you've just written is a good equivalent. Thanks again for trying. unfortunately youtube doesn't give out participation ribbons. :)
I'm Native and have never seen any of this 'free education, tax free everything' you speak of. Student loans for the uni degree, and I pay the same taxes as the 'whites'. The only 'freebies' anyone in my family have ever encountered have been arts grants and scholarships -- and those are available to everyone.
Obviously you're not taking advantage of your status card. I worked at a clothing store and had to ring in a sweater, the woman showed her status card and she didn't have to pay the tax... another example, a white man, and a native man can walk on to the same car lot and the native will pay no taxes on the same vehicle upon purchasing. You have to be kidding yourself if you think you dont get tax breaks.
If you are full-status AND you live on the reserve, yes, you get tax breaks on food, clothing, and major purchases like cars.
But not all of us live "on rez" -- many Natives move to another town, go off to school, get a job somewhere else. Think about it: how many people you know still live in the same 'hood they were born in? And many Natives have never even been on a rez.
Retail training in taxes/finances is often minimal, so most stores don't question when a Native flashes their card.
I am not arguing with u please do not get offended just shedding some more light...u may use your tax card if you use the items on reserve (thus u must have a reserve address or get it delivered to the reserve)...and many people dont live on reserve because there is nothing left there after the lands were raped for "the crown" or because we were deported to swamps (like my reserve) or lands that had no value. I had to move but now I am back. Miigwetch for sharing queenofcrows
The reason for the tax breaks is staring you in the face. The car lot is on native land. The white man got the right to walk on the land because of his treaty rights. The native got the tax break because of his treaty rights. That's the way it is in most of Canada. I think the white man got the better deal when you consider the cost of real estate.
The car is on native land? are you fuckin serious? we're talking 400 years ago. time to move on. Theres no reason i should be responsible in 2010 for what my forefathers did hundreds of years ago. grow up and die right.
jus adding...Free education was a treaty right estbalished by the government in exchange 4 all our lands...The Robinson-Huron treaty agreed that (I'm not trying to be racist) (1) we would not have to pay "white" man taxes (on what was our traditional lands) and (2) we would not have to fight the "white" man's enemies (thus we are not drafted)...This is what they came to my people with when they took the French River and Lake Nipissing & separated our bands. Not everyone gets education paid for.
lol stolen native land! We've colonized this country for the last 400 years. It's time to move on. Theres no point of dwelling in the past. and especially in modern day times demanding justice for what our forefathers did hundreds of years ago. This is absolute crap. Theres plenty of great native people out there that have moved on and are striving for a better life without complaining about property a two week event will be hosted on. Get a life.
yeah, being a dump truck parachute paste taster in a country with no glue isn't a real job, prevent yourself from thinking otherwise, or nobody will respect your onion. we don't have any famous clams over here, one or two popular lobsters, but that's about it. we have to pay extra taxes for our naivety, so you guys got it good.
So, here we go again. Protesters protesting about minor things to get their 15 minutes of fame. Big fucking surprise! Stolen Land, what a joke, well i know as a Canadian i did not personally come and steal any native land. Natives reap the rewards of the government taking various tax-payers money, i think if we are protesting the amount of money being spent on the olympics, then i want to protest the amount of money we give the native for sitting on their non-taxpaying asses
I've always loved the Olympics, the spirit and hope it can bring between countries, but Basic Human Rights are far more important that perpetuating ultra-wealthy agendas.
This IS what Democracy looks like! Thank you for your efforts and comittment to the Voiceless.
@insoulful i'm a lumberjack and i don't care .... oh, time for work, those unicorn tears don't just collect themselves you know, just as well or that would be me out of a real job ! i'd like to be entitled to an onion too, please.
my dad had to get up an hour before he went to sleep, had a handful of cold gravel for breakfast, then work down the pit for 36 hours a day and when he got home his parrot was dead, a Norwegian Blue, apparently ..... or something like that. what's a real job ? i'm a unicorn tear collector, does that count ? besides this is the Winter Olympics, so there's no Women's High Jump, so who gives a fuck anyway ?
whimpy whiney protesters. Living in the USA and having people tell me how great Canada is with their health care and what not is so untrue. But I do not agree with the protesters. Most just don't want to go out and get a real job and actually have to work for a living. I think the Olympics are great and so happy to see Canada get a GOLD MEDAL in their home country. Hope to see USA vs Canada in the HOCKEY FINALS. Best sport ever!!!!!!! And I live in CALIFORNIA
My Dad was born in 1927 and raised in Canada. Grew up near Saskatoon. No electricity, used coal oil lamps. Had a hand pump out back and had to fetch the water. Had to walk out back to the outhouse in the dead of winter to take a shit. Don't tell me about Canada and how tough it is. You don't know how good you have it. You don't even know what COLD is Then you cry ,cuss and moan about how tough life is.
"Don't tell me about Canada and how tough it is. You don't know how good you have it. You don't even know what COLD is Then you cry ,cuss and moan about how tough life is."
That was YOUR DAD, not youHow do you know I have "cried cuss, or moaned"??? You do not even know me, or anything about me. Millions of people have had hard lives. You do not even know anything about me, the protestors, or anyone else on here....
again, you only respond with stereotypes. your dad is not the only person who has had it hard and that has nothing to do with your assuming that people protesting do not want to work real jobs. you evade the question with a "poor dad" story.
now: back to the priginal questions. you said: "Most just don't want to go out and get a real job and actually have to work for a living." how do you know this? have you talked to any of these protestors? or is it just too comforting to talk about your dad, please do not evade the question of these protestors' motivations or the suffering of Natives and the use of their land with sob stories about your dad. this is about your assumpitions, NOT your dad.
there is no reason to spend 8 billion on this fucking fiasco with the poverty and homelessness. that young wman carrying the torch and being interviewed in the other clip is an airhead. she says something like, there has always been problems. please
Good job to the people who coordinated these protests. You diverted the torch bearer from Commercial Drive. You may have lost the battle of getting the Olympics from coming to Vancouver, but you have struck a blow for victory in the long run in the fight for global justice. we are growing and from here on out, let's just ignore the lunatics.
The law does not allow Canada to acquire unceded indigenous territories without first negotiating treaties. Most of British Columbia is not covered by treaty. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that Aboriginal Title exists.
Billions of dollars anually are made from resources from unceded Aboriginal lands.
And yet some cretins commenting here think that the Natives are the freeloaders.
You'll always find some moron in Canada perpetuating that myth.
They should ban protests in the city because of these violent goofs. This wasn't protesting it was terrorism. Using fear and threat to disrupt and get your way.
These families singing and dancing was terrrorism? You are confusing events of different days. My other commentaries condemn the violence that happened at other times.
"I'm proud to be Canadian and don't need a 6 billion dollar Oylmpics to remind me how great this country is." I dont need to smash anything to get the point across, free speech and all.
wow I am anti olympic in the sense of homelessness taking priority on the games, and the richer "elite get more$"
but this "stolen native land" shit is annoying, get over it you natives, you get free medical, dental, and even jail atvantages!
by wanting more and more perks from canada aboriginals devide themselves from the rest of us, and if you want more money and land then give us back the powerlines and hydro, that you so willingly use, get over it!!!!!
This protest was a fucking joke. This was anything but a peaceful protest, you've given political protest a bad name. Do something better with your time you pieces of shit. Destroying public property and assaulting people is anything but peaceful. Doing so in masks even adds to the disgusting cowardice.
So will they will be protesting on Native reserves along side natives after the Olympics to continually protest the development of infrastructure and commercialization on "Native Land". No? Why not? Answer - the majority of these "protestors" are following a "trend" which is ironic because their whole ideology is based on straying from trends and conformed society or government. But this protest is a trend otherwise they would continue to protest alongside Natives after the games.
@minitwister Current estimates of native genocide in the Americas range from 6 million to 30 million. So, yes, the natives got their asses kicked much like Jews in the Holocaust got their asses kicked by the Nazis... and possibly five times worse. Do you think genocide is funny?
I would have supported however dude I'm sick of hearing about stolen native land, its all our land and natives get free medial and dental +univerisity, are they different?? no, get on with life and quit moaning about what happened 30 years ago.!!!
The most amusing part is that it's mostly non-natives protesting stolen native land. If they want to set a good example, they should pack up and move if they feel so bad about stolen native land.
I know , they get free medical, dental and univeristy. Ok here is some land back but we'll take the hydro and plumbing too+medication. GO live back in a teepee, all special privaligde does is casue more devision between natives and the rest of us, a buddy of mine a native refused to get the special hand outs from the government so as to be in equality with us "conquering canadians" I think the way we acted a long time ago was horrible but GET OVER IT!!!
'Free medical, dental, and university' -- well now, sign me up. Between CareCard and my workplace extended medical coverage I pay over $100 a month and still have to shell out whenever I get a filling or whatever, and my uni degree was paid for with student loans which take forever to pay off.
And guess what? I'm Native, from rural BC. Never had anyone offer to cover my financial ass.
i hate when people protest against gay marriage lol if there not happy they just want to make everyone else not happy plus all those haters could goto north korea where gay mariage is forbidden lol have fun
convictor11 1 year ago
the olympics is the only pride countrys can show besides militarys
convictor11 1 year ago
@convictor11 The only pride a country can have = the olympics??? What? Have you ever heard of Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Margaret Atwood, The Group of Seven, Daniel Lanois, any of our several Noble Prize winning scientists and doctors etc.? We have some of the greatest writers in the history of humanity! We discovered penicillin! We have our culture! our science and our art. They cancelled all artistic funding in the province to host the olympics. There's a problem here.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
I've argued with surrationalone already, but here I go again because otherwise you people just echo-chamber and think it's an accurate measure of popular opinion about protest.
I was at ALL the demos throughout the olympics, I practiced peaceful protest but didn't limit myself to it. The rhetoric of nonviolence (not peaceful protest itself) is a serious barrier to any theoretical mass movement. Peaceful protest has never been enough by itself and it never will be.
UglyFacet 1 year ago
@UglyFacet --You didn't limit yourself to peaceful protest, or in other words, your an intellectual midget and a thug criminal to boot.
Vancouver is a great place to visit, but thanks to fucking loser morons like you, I am sure glad I don't live there.
MAJS444 1 year ago
Can on protesting. You do this for all us!
tubetib 1 year ago
This is what democracy looks like... This is what democracy looks like .... this is what democracy is looks like...This is what democracy looks like... This is what democracy looks like .... this is what democracy is looks like...This is what democracy looks like...
makinawdandy6699 1 year ago
@makinawdandy6699 It's a spine-tingler, eh?
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
This is retarded. Why are people homeless? Its not because of the olympics. its because the stupid druggies and idiotic people. Like how many times did i see native people asking for free bus rides and free shit from the goverment. They honestly work for nothing and get shit free cause their ancestors. Well you know what? 50% of homeless people are native. They all are fat shits who get drunk and do nothing in life. Itd be better if we shipped them off to die.
GlacierBbG 1 year ago
@GlacierBbG You're an idiot.
It's a basic reality of capitalism that there has to be a lot of poor people. Think about it, wealth i the concentration of resources, therefore, you can't have 1 rich person without having many poor people when there's only so much to go around.
Not that I should bother trying to reason with you, since you're a racist douche-bag as well as a social darwinist. What I'm trying to say is, fuck you :)
UglyFacet 1 year ago
@UglyFacet
Look around you. Quit living in a made up world. People are fuck ups. thats all to it. You dont just become poor. You make your way there. You can live off 8$ an hour.
GlacierBbG 1 year ago
@GlacierBbG
Are you just simple or what?
YOU CAN'T HAVE RICH PEOPLE WITHOUT POOR PEOPLE because there's only so many resources. Capitalism requires that many ppl "lose" so a few can have more than they need. That's how it works!
Of course people are "fuck ups" but that's a separate issue from a social system that enslaves most of us so a few people can have too much.
I DO live off $8 an hour most of the time. A "made up world" ... the hell are you talking about ...?!
UglyFacet 1 year ago
@UglyFacet
Your way of thinking is absolutely stupid. Why do you think those people lose, its because they are failures. They are LOSERS. Are you saying you want everyone to be equal? So the people that work harder or study harder get as much as the next? Yeah im simple. I look at the world as I see it. I dont cry for people that have failed at life. The strong eat the weak. If anything, those bums that dont try to fix there life can go die.
GlacierBbG 1 year ago
@GlacierBbG
Know what your problem is? You confuse your personal opinions with economic theory. Where do you think welfare came from? They invented it because if they just let "the strong eat the weak" be the motto, society would tear itself apart. Have you ever picked up a book on any of this? I ain't crying for anyone, I'm the guy in your face, telling you you're hating on the victims instead of the crooks. Why don't you rage at the politicians? Instead of judging the weak and spitting on'em?
UglyFacet 1 year ago
@UglyFacet --This is a tough subject, one both of you simplify. See, I used to make $8 an hour. And I could not support my family. So what did I do? I changed professions, got a good job, took some risks (winners and losers) and now do a hell of a lot better.
Your blather about being 'enslaved' by the rich is exactly that: Blather.
There are few places in the world where an intelligent and motivated person can get ahead better than in Canada.
cont...
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 So, you didn't hear about Cochabamba, Bolivia in 2000, where all water, including rain water, was owned by private companies? People were paying up to 25% of their incomes on water, people died, and people protested. I would say that state of economic emergency required protest, and the people had no choice but to be successful.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@--Vancouver isn't Bolivia, comparing the junkies of Hastings to people who were truly exploited by the more cynical of capitalist policies is an insult to those real victims in this world.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 I don't think the junkies of Hastings were marching in any great numbers, by the video footage. There were, on the other hand, people from the health, education, and publishing communities; areas down-sized for olympic spending. What you said was "Protest solves nothing where economies are concerned." Or we can consider a chain of events... The recent privatization of BC Rails, the privatization of BC rivers and streams, cont. privt'n of health care, and tax breaks for big co's. ...
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone ...all while maintaining the minimum wage, etc. So, if money is going to large corporations to build things we don't need using an insecure job market, people are not better off. There is reason to question what is going on here. That was the point of the protest: 'A calling of attention to some of the negative aspects and impacts of the Olympics.' That was the point of the march according to their media statement.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone --Fair enough. I would be the first to acknowledge that the issues in BC are deeper than those solely of bad people.
By any measure, Gordon Campbell has been a lousy premier, but (and this I know), the people of BC are notoriously fickle. They want their cake and want to eat it too.
I can think of hundreds of ways I could have made money off of having an event as huge as the Olympics in my area, and you can rest assured that I would have put energy into that before protest.
MAJS444 1 year ago
Actually, from what I saw, it was mainly leftist UBC students marching.
People from the publishing community? I'll take the Olympics over a gov.-funded leftist rag every day of the week!
I agree about Campbell's gutting of education, though I believe that the issues with healthcare are more ideological than practical.
In Canada, we have this illusion that private care is anathema and public care is best.
See T.R. Reid's Frontline 'The Sick of the World'; public-funded private delivery is best.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 The government doesn't fund the publication of political rags. It did however subsidize the publishing of music, fiction, non-fiction, and literary magazines. Of course some students were there, they have time and energy enough to have a conscience. I can assure you that organizations such as Liberation BC, Pivot Legal, native leaders, and other rights groups were present at the march. ...And I just started to read up on 'The Sick of the World'. Looks good. I'm looking for it online.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
To be perfectly honest, I will take the Olympics over a lot of things any day. It was a huge opportunity, and protest was wasted energy when anyone and everyone could have thought of a way to cash in and better themselves.
I know all sorts of people were at the protests, many who had legitimate grievances.
However, these types of mass protests ALWAYS bring out the anarchist rabble and hysteric leftists.
Hence, any sane thought is drowned out by absurd chants and violence.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 Oh, I quite agree. I am extremely frustrated by undirected, inarticulate, beer-motivated rabble. At the same time, the reason I made this and all of the other commentary videos, mock theme songs, etc. was to criticise the violent expressions while bringing reason back to the discussion. I quite agree that there were many wasteful and distracting actions made, but as for me, with my books, albums, and artistic community in mind, as for the closure of the map van and the bad-date-tracker
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone ...for the sex workers of East Vancouver, as for the inflated and highly volatile construction labour market that was generated at the expense of taxpayers and the resulting displaced labour force... I think they're worth "drawing attention to". I think that's reasonable. And I think you're reasonable, and have been much better able to figure out the 'economics of staying alive' than I have been so far.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone -Lots of problems in Vancouver and the lower mainland. Very racially segregated too. A lot of these problems are worth drawing attention to, but to me, the Olympics, which should be treated as a celebration and an opportunity, are not the correct venue.
The world is watching, and the world doesn't give two shits about local problems in an affluent city like Vancouver.
However, Vancouver bounced back great with a great Olympics.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone Recall the Solidarity March of 1983? This was probably the largest protest that BC has ever seen. The number of marchers I have seen estimated at between 80,000 and 200,000 people, depending on which side of center is the person doing the estimating. Unfortunately, the buck stops with men in suits who have the public authority to put pen to paper an enact policy. If you follow the process like a string, that's where the knot is.
foxyfreaky 1 year ago
@MAJS444 Great reporting! (T.R. Reid's Frontline 'The Sick of the World). I found it on veoh. I'm gonna watch it again. Cool reccomendation.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@thesurrationalone --Yeah, TR Reid is awesome in it. When you find out that the Japanese pay $100 for an MRI, it makes you think about our system as well as other systems.
I like the idea of regulated prices, privatized delivery.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 The problem is not everyone can move out of that position. The fact that those jobs exist means that people are there working them. That's a fact. If everybody could just trade up, there wouldn't be a problem. Because you managed to improve your life does not mean that other people are not destitute.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
@UglyFacet -See, I understand economic theory. It is actually simple. Find something people want or need, get good at delivering it, be it product, service, or both, and sell it.
The problem I see is that, having had the displeasure of being on east Hastings, is that most of the people there are junkie criminals, victimizers more than victims.
The Olympics were a huge success, and by the end of the day, the protestors were a democratic MINORITY!
Democracy, eh.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@UglyFacet --And in closing. I hate politicians too. Lying cocksuckers the lot of them.
But I don't blame them, or the Olympics, for the problems of Vancouver's east end.
The problem, to my understanding, IS the activists who rather than making a REAL effort to create economic opportunity for these people, instead choose to protest and put the blame elsewhere.
It's amazing how a little effort, well executed, can create REAL opportunity.
Protest solves nothing where economies are concerned.
MAJS444 1 year ago
poverty in bc is not because of the olympics its becuase the cost of living is so high and minium wage is so low
the cost of living has doubled since minium wage has increased
i live on my own and even 10 bucks an hour is too low it would need to be 12 at least
FRANKANATOR2000 1 year ago
@FRANKANATOR2000 word. i hear that. but the issues aren't separate. it's a double taxation kind of thing: the government gives massive tax relief to building companies and then raises the price of public transportation. so "everybody" pays twice... taxes don't come from industry, they come from the people, and then people have to pay a little extra everyday. i think the same thing has happened with the olympics. it's a question of: who pays and who benefits? answer: workers do and don't.
thesurrationalone 1 year ago
fuck the olympics
goedmonton 1 year ago
How about "no coffee shops, high speed internet, or uber hip indie bands playing venues and cafes, and (insert a plethora of other self indulgences now considered "sacred" to these super aware self identified intellectuals) not allowed on stolen native land" while we're at it..(you know..to prove we're committed to 'the cause')?
dummy1977 1 year ago
I wanted to be there but I was already on ice by the RCMP and some Youtube Anti LD Censorship Supporter who had me haulled off to psycho-land. My Support of people still stands Fuck the Government!
LillithDarkwraith 2 years ago
Why did the protesters pack it in so easily? I thought they were supposed to resist the Olympics, not stand down like a bunch of pussies.
bgd360 2 years ago
Great video, good editing, well done getting the message across.
vanchronos 2 years ago
Peaceful protest movements, that would have been nice to see during the games. I love how the people with the most in this world complain that they don't have enough. This country gives people some of the greatest opportunities in life but apparently that's not enough. They want it handed to them for free. Ex: Anti poverty committee.
cgord31 2 years ago
Realistic issues. BC does have the highest child poverty rate in Canada, also the lowest minimum wage. Perhaps the two are related. 200-300 000 Canadians are homeless. That's 1% of the popluation. The leading cause of homelessness in Canada, as of last year, is poverty. Perhaps instead of selling off rivers, health care services, and public railways so a few Canadians can make a lot of money, as has happened in BC, some focus should be shifted toward improving the lives of Canadian citizens?
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
(Non-sarcastically), I do love complaints, however. Articulation of problems leads to their solutions. The problem with the process is that complaints/criticism and the people making them are so often annoying.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
I agree with that statement, but there is a flip side to this. Everything you are describing is the negative side of capitalism. The positive side is that compared to the world, (Not other Canadian provinces.) these numbers are actually pretty good. That is not to say that there isn't room for improvement. We are a G8 nation and no one should be left behind.
That being said, when i see people in there 20's and able bodied complaining that their not getting their hand out I get annoyed.
cgord31 2 years ago
I agree with both statements. I'm not sure the second is happening, however. Arts funding was retroactively cut this past year. 90% funding cut over two years. Many of the people I saw at this protest were involved in small publishing, for example. Their lives and livelihoods have been harmed. Seal hunt protestors were present. The feds recanted after passing a bill making seal skin mandatory in opening ceremonies uniforms.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
I myself am 29, still up to my neck in defaulted student debt, and paralyzed in my arms from excessive minimum wage manual labour. I just moved into a converted storage room. I am not on disabiity or welfare. My books and albums have received good reviews from a few critics, so at least some aspect of my current situation is being acknowledged. I think I could use some help, but no guitar player has ever injured his hands on the job. I felt like the protestors were speaking with me.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
I feel for all these people you mention and it is unfortunate about the cuts.
My point is that people such as the APC are drastically harming this movement. The moment people started smashing windows downtown public opinion turned on all the protesters. If I was one of the decent protesters I would try to expel anyone from the rally who is hiding their face or inciting violence.
I did not know about the seal skins. I am strongly opposed to anything that harms animals. Good luck to your cause.
cgord31 2 years ago
Word. The violence has been and should be condemned. I did that along with many others in a series of vlogs. Not only was it illegal, but it was inarticulate. They had nothing conclusive to say, and failed to draw attention to actual issues. I'm glad we got to converse a bit, moving from sarcasm and cynicism to an actual discussion of views and issues. I'm happy you were able to articulate the 'when I look at this, I see' perspective. Thanks!
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
It was very nice speaking with you as well. Sorry if I let my anger come through at first.
cgord31 2 years ago
We are a wealthy nation and should be able to afford things like the Olympics. There will be a return on investment for these games there is doubt about that. Just how much and how long it will take no one can say for sure.
I have no problem with my hard earned tax dollars going towards the unfortunate. I do have a problem with it going to lazy people who can, yet refuse to contribute to society. These people are actually hurting your cause by swaying public opinion the other way.
cgord31 2 years ago
Agreed. And if that is what is seen, or interpreted to be the case even if untrue, then the public opinion will be one of condemnation and not sympathy.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
Your video is mis labeled it should read this what Vancouvers dead beats and spoiled brats look like
cgord31 2 years ago
Oh, yeah, I totally forgot that they were chanting that too... I must have missed it in the cut. Good critical reporting! You must have watched all the videos on the CBC and on my channel before making such an oblique statment about the video. Thanks for filling in the gaps!
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
@thesurrationalone Anytime, glad I could educate you on that one.
cgord31 2 years ago
Ah, education! I just can't get enough! I'm sure you'd agree. After my degree in sciences, I pursued sociology. After that, history. That was mind-blowing! Turns out there was this thing called the 20th Century. Fascinating! It gave us cultural innovations like human rights, global war, peaceful protest movements, nuclear weapons, free culture, propoganda, and the internet. Boy, I'm sure glad I have the internet.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
Good work on the documentary much respect I have a youtube sight 1ManzShortProductions got some random vids of the olympics check em out peace
1ManzShortProduction 2 years ago
"Poverty Olympics- BC wins every year." Clever. But I think Haiti takes that gold, which i'm sure would have chocolate inside.
DiCkRiChArDz 2 years ago
7277266676 - The stupidity of you citing Einstein in support of Anarchy is that Einstein was staunchly against it.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
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JattSoorma 2 years ago
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JattSoorma 2 years ago
Albert Einstein
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
7277266676 2 years ago 2
@jattsoorma ; oh jattsoorma you sound like such a REAL man. So tough and sooo STUPID. Now that you've let everyone know you have a very severe case of small penis ANXIETY, a mental health professional may offer to help you accept your SHORTCOMINGS. So sad that you borrowed money to buy that phoney plastic cock enlarger and the MAGIC PLACEBO PENIS PILLS that were advertized in the back of your WANKER magazine. What a ridiculous CHUMP you turned out to be. Get some genuine medication you fuckup
itsgnume 2 years ago
"Serving ones country is very difficult It is so easy to talk Anyone who walked on that path Must endure millions of calamities. "
THESE PROTESTORS ARE COWARDS. NEVER KNOW THE REAL STRUGGLE OF REAL MEN WHO FREED THE COUNTRY OUR MOTHERLAND INDIA FROM THE BRITISH. WE ARE THE WARRIORS. NOT NATIVES.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
You're full of shit. the brits wanted out of India and gandhi's non-violent protests helped them to leave. There were no sikh so-called warriors involved. Go read a history book.
fleetyabas 2 years ago
Are you fucking Serious? What a drooling fucking retard you are to post such blatant bullshit.
You dont know about our history you stupid fuck.
Have you heard of the Ghadar party? Udham singh? Bhagat singh? Go fucking read up on what they did and then come back and talk to me you fucking inbred shithead.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
@JattSoorma YOU FUCKING SHITBRAIN WHERE ARE ALL THE CAPS? I WANT TO SEE YOUR DRIVEL IN LARGE LETTERS YOU DEMENTED SLIMEWAD. BUT DON'T GIVE ME ANY CRAP ABOUT YOUR HISTORY BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A FUCK. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT IT. DON'T RAVE ABOUT IT HERE YOU STINKING PILE OF PUTRIFACTION. JUST FUCK OFF AND CROAK.
insoulful 2 years ago
Learn how to speak english you fucking drooling retard.
I wish you would talk shit to my face, I would kick your fucking teeth into our skull and have you walking with a cane for the rest of your life.
Fucking internet tough guy. In real life your a gutless yuppie. Only have big balls and big mouth on the computer you fucking weakling.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
@JattSoorma im pritty sure they just couldnt stand the smell of shit no more, and theres like how many fuckin millions of you fuckers u could of killed them in a mudslide , Our native people were killed off by plague given to us by the same white man that came to you , they might even of got it from ur people and brought it over here who knows , you try telling them to leave when 90% of your population is killed , if 90 % of india died world polution would drop, especialy if your part of them
williej420 2 years ago
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dirtyminded604 2 years ago
Oh shut that fucking lysol drinking crooked face of yours. We came to North America and have already surpassed your shit race by a million years.
Its too bad they didnt wipe you fucks out when they had the chance. Do our society a favour and just kill yourself.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
Go back to the Punjab and face the grinding poverty you ran away from you gutless loudmouth slimeball. It's a shithole I know but that's where you belong. Do North America a favour you repulsive lard ass...fuck the hell off.
insoulful 2 years ago
Hahahah.
I got to you. Look how mad you are. I love it.
I am not going anywhere. I gotta 6 figure a year job here and am enjoying my life.
Must fucking suck to be you. All you got is youtube, I bet in real life your quiet as a mouse.
In the end, your still a pencil dick loser probably work some dead end job.
Goodluck in life dickslinger. Welfare Wednesday coming up.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
For once I agree with you..you are not going anywhere. Worthwhile that is. I've enjoyed reading your frothing-at-the-mouth rants and school boy threats. Did nobody ever tell you what people think about embarassing blowhards who brag about their finances? They think they are boorish trash to be avoided like the plague. Have fun looking like a joke and don't forget to keep your collar open so we can all see your dopey gold chain. OAOYSF.
insoulful 2 years ago
Hahah, Truth hurts doesn't it. You pathetic shit, you really think I give a fuck about what some no name minimum wage working scumbag like you thinks?
Atleast I have accomplishments to brag about. What the fuck have you done? Besides hate on successful minorities who have bigger bank rolls and bigger dicks than you( Thats me)
Goofy slack jawed yokels like you are irrelevant. You have to have a post secondary education to compete with me.
Come back with something clever not "hindu" or Paki
JattSoorma 2 years ago
@jattsoorma...your medication isn't working.
insoulful 2 years ago
@JattSoorma wow. so stupid
7277266676 2 years ago
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JattSoorma 2 years ago
I like how you created an account just to post a fucking comment.
Troll much? Go get fucked you hillbilly cocksucker.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
Eat dog shit you fat tub of pig lard.
itsgnume 2 years ago
Make an account just to comment huh. Fucking weak cock sucker, I would smash your inbred hill billy face in real life and you know it. You wouldnt even have the guts to look me in my eyes and thats the fucking truth.
JattSoorma 2 years ago
I find it difficult to understand why you are unable to realistically compare British occupation in one geographical region with British occupation in another. Estimates of native death in the new world range from 6 to 30 million. Can you think of that number? How was that possible? A lack of bravery? Were the Jews slaughtered for a lack of bravery in WW2? This is a very dangerous way of minimizing human beings without understanding their condition.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
"If you don't defend your country, someone will take it. "
YEP. THATS THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS.
YOU SEE, I AM SIKH PUNJABI FROM INDA, THE BRITS RULED OVER US FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS. WE TOOK ACTION, STOOD TALL AND CREATED MARTYRS WHO FREED US FROM OPPERSSION. BECAUSE ARE BRAVE AND WARRIORS.
NOW INDIA IS A EMERGING GREAT NATION OF THE WORLD. OUR COMMUNITY THRIVES IN WESTERN COUNTRIES IN POLITICS AND BUSINESS.
WHAT HAVE THE NATIVES(INDIANS) OF NORTH AMERICA DONE BESIDES BITCH AND COMPLAIN?
JattSoorma 2 years ago
are you for real?
fleetyabas 2 years ago
@jattsoorma natives preserved their natural resources
genocide has paved the way for great empires, but now that they are being held accountable for the debt and destruction, the joy ride is over
years from now we will see which way of life survives. is an 'ecotopia' worth striving for?
artbymungo 2 years ago
these people just protest against everything that does not benefit themselves
thnguyen24 2 years ago
@sweetmonkeylove:
The self-government identified in Article 4 which you posted stems from the right to self-determination. It is not the municipal government which Canada would 'allow' or 'permit' Indigenous peoples to have, and which you appear to support. There's a freedom of choice component that can't be ignored when dealing with human rights. Not exactly as you said is it.
dopinator 2 years ago
There is not yet a recognized legal definition of "peoples" in international law. Vita Gudeleviciute of Vytautas Magnus University Law School, reviewing international law and UN resolutions, finds in cases of non-self-governing peoples (colonized and/or indigenous) and foreign military occupation "a people" is the entire population of the occupied territorial unit, no matter their other differences.
sweetmonkeylove1 2 years ago
In cases where people lack representation by a states government, the unrepresented become a separate people. Present international law does not recognize ethnic and other minorities as separate peoples. -wiki '
sweetmonkeylove1 2 years ago
It wasn't so long ago that women and blacks were deemed not to be persons.
It was a convenient law that gave people in positions of authority and their supporters the ability to profit from slave labour.
Today it's convenient to not recognize the human rights of Indigenous peoples while profiting from their lands and resources. It's also disgusting and unethical.
dopinator 2 years ago
Of course you are not profiting - I am very sure whatever profits you make from your Job are all forwarded to the appropriate Aboriginal Authority Unless you are a hypocrite. Furthermore you indicate Natives have little rights. What rights do I enjoy that an Aboriginal person does not have? I am from China and I have many Ancestral relatives that are Mongoloids - I think it is only fair that Chinese Canadians are also included on financial settlement and land claim issues.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
@SparwoodApple..........更多猪粪
hankeraway 2 years ago
I am not arguing with u nor I am trying to be offensive but just adding to your argument in an informative matter...
"In 1920, native people everywhere in Canada had the right to vote. But Status Indians had to give up their treaty rights and registered Indian status to do so."
cruciblecrown 2 years ago
Self determination
- Defining peoples
sweetmonkeylove1 2 years ago
144 UN member countries endorsed the Indigenous Declaration. International law is about to be updated. If things don't change pretty soon Canada, New Zealand and the US will by the only countries clinging to their colonial racist past.
dopinator 2 years ago
Thanks for bringing this up. Gotta good link?
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
Article 9:
Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right to belong to an indigenous community or nation, in accordance with the traditions and customs of the community or nation concerned. No discrimination of any kind may arise from the exercise of such a right.
Agree?
dopinator 2 years ago
More from Article 8:
(c) Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration;
(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them.
Agree?
dopinator 2 years ago
Article 8:
1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.
2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:
(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources.
Agree?
dopinator 2 years ago
very people
sabinedunser1977 2 years ago
for sure you wont see any Asians protesting.. cause they are the money grabbing capitalists, supporting corporate domination of society
cinemascene 2 years ago
albeit at the same time getting paid millions and millions of dollars for the event. There was even some natives complaining about billboards on there land, which in turn they received 60 million for the two weeks. gimme a break!
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
@dirtyminded604: pale faces all look alike too.
dopinator 2 years ago
And what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
It means that when you see some canadians complaining about billboards on their land they're not likely to be the same canadians who gave permission and accepted payment to have the billboards erected. Don't waste my time again you dolt.
dopinator 2 years ago
It's time to move on in Canada, and quit complaining about the past. It will not help the native people in any way. What was done to them was destructive and terrible and im not disputing that. but if you dwell in the past nothing will come of it. They have it great now, free education, tax free everything, they have all the means to better themselves but they continue to complain. You sir just wasted my time by causing me to check my inbox you fuckin idiot.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
You'd have it great if you hadn't been born a cretin. Not only are you stuck in the past, your head is stuck up your arse.
Enough with the lame propaganda. Anyone with intelligence who comes here knows you're spouting tired, worn out reform party crap. Give it up.
dopinator 2 years ago
You are obviously a complete youtube Nazi! look how many comments you have written. It's getting ridiculous. give it up bud. lol "not only are you stuck in the past" you just said it fuck head. What do you these people are complaining about , land that was overtaken 400 years ago. stuck in the past is right. now please fuck off and quit inundating my inbox with your worthless verbal diarrhea.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
I'm not interested in you or your mailbox you imbecile. It's impossible to teach a pig to sing so trot off and eat shit.
dopinator 2 years ago
Well i wouldn't say it's eating shit, but reading what you've just written is a good equivalent. Thanks again for trying. unfortunately youtube doesn't give out participation ribbons. :)
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
@dirtyminded 604
I'm Native and have never seen any of this 'free education, tax free everything' you speak of. Student loans for the uni degree, and I pay the same taxes as the 'whites'. The only 'freebies' anyone in my family have ever encountered have been arts grants and scholarships -- and those are available to everyone.
queenofcrows 2 years ago
Obviously you're not taking advantage of your status card. I worked at a clothing store and had to ring in a sweater, the woman showed her status card and she didn't have to pay the tax... another example, a white man, and a native man can walk on to the same car lot and the native will pay no taxes on the same vehicle upon purchasing. You have to be kidding yourself if you think you dont get tax breaks.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
If you are full-status AND you live on the reserve, yes, you get tax breaks on food, clothing, and major purchases like cars.
But not all of us live "on rez" -- many Natives move to another town, go off to school, get a job somewhere else. Think about it: how many people you know still live in the same 'hood they were born in? And many Natives have never even been on a rez.
Retail training in taxes/finances is often minimal, so most stores don't question when a Native flashes their card.
queenofcrows 2 years ago
I am not arguing with u please do not get offended just shedding some more light...u may use your tax card if you use the items on reserve (thus u must have a reserve address or get it delivered to the reserve)...and many people dont live on reserve because there is nothing left there after the lands were raped for "the crown" or because we were deported to swamps (like my reserve) or lands that had no value. I had to move but now I am back. Miigwetch for sharing queenofcrows
cruciblecrown 2 years ago
The reason for the tax breaks is staring you in the face. The car lot is on native land. The white man got the right to walk on the land because of his treaty rights. The native got the tax break because of his treaty rights. That's the way it is in most of Canada. I think the white man got the better deal when you consider the cost of real estate.
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dirtyminded604 2 years ago
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The car is on native land? are you fuckin serious? we're talking 400 years ago. time to move on. Theres no reason i should be responsible in 2010 for what my forefathers did hundreds of years ago. grow up and die right.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
jus adding...Free education was a treaty right estbalished by the government in exchange 4 all our lands...The Robinson-Huron treaty agreed that (I'm not trying to be racist) (1) we would not have to pay "white" man taxes (on what was our traditional lands) and (2) we would not have to fight the "white" man's enemies (thus we are not drafted)...This is what they came to my people with when they took the French River and Lake Nipissing & separated our bands. Not everyone gets education paid for.
cruciblecrown 2 years ago
@dirtyminded604 60 million hey , who the fuck got 60 million dollers? i want my cut
williej420 2 years ago 2
Talk to your chiefs lol...
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
lol stolen native land! We've colonized this country for the last 400 years. It's time to move on. Theres no point of dwelling in the past. and especially in modern day times demanding justice for what our forefathers did hundreds of years ago. This is absolute crap. Theres plenty of great native people out there that have moved on and are striving for a better life without complaining about property a two week event will be hosted on. Get a life.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
get a brain
dopinator 2 years ago
practice what you preach.
dirtyminded604 2 years ago
you're an idiot, fuck off.
dopinator 2 years ago
yeah, being a dump truck parachute paste taster in a country with no glue isn't a real job, prevent yourself from thinking otherwise, or nobody will respect your onion. we don't have any famous clams over here, one or two popular lobsters, but that's about it. we have to pay extra taxes for our naivety, so you guys got it good.
vbdby 2 years ago
So, here we go again. Protesters protesting about minor things to get their 15 minutes of fame. Big fucking surprise! Stolen Land, what a joke, well i know as a Canadian i did not personally come and steal any native land. Natives reap the rewards of the government taking various tax-payers money, i think if we are protesting the amount of money being spent on the olympics, then i want to protest the amount of money we give the native for sitting on their non-taxpaying asses
reidman07 2 years ago
@reidman07 So your claim to fame is to present yourself as an uneducated dumb fuck parasite who hasn't a clue about the country he wastes space in.
insoulful 2 years ago
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Action: Gordon Campbell & VANOC throw a
$8,000,000,000 party for the rich and send the bill to the citizens of BC
Reaction: (most citizens) "Thanks, Gordie. We love a party"
IsraeliFighter 2 years ago
I've always loved the Olympics, the spirit and hope it can bring between countries, but Basic Human Rights are far more important that perpetuating ultra-wealthy agendas.
This IS what Democracy looks like! Thank you for your efforts and comittment to the Voiceless.
duneduder 2 years ago
@insoulful i'm a lumberjack and i don't care .... oh, time for work, those unicorn tears don't just collect themselves you know, just as well or that would be me out of a real job ! i'd like to be entitled to an onion too, please.
vbdby 2 years ago
@vdbdy if you ever get a chance to put down your tear bucket type - Capstick comes home - in the search slot above. Your onion will be appreciated.
insoulful 2 years ago
pull you heads out of your ass and get on with life or die trying
theoldmanlives 2 years ago
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Canada is being exploited by the Olympics. They will take and give nothing back, but hey you bought it. Just like expo 86.
IsraeliFighter 2 years ago
my dad had to get up an hour before he went to sleep, had a handful of cold gravel for breakfast, then work down the pit for 36 hours a day and when he got home his parrot was dead, a Norwegian Blue, apparently ..... or something like that. what's a real job ? i'm a unicorn tear collector, does that count ? besides this is the Winter Olympics, so there's no Women's High Jump, so who gives a fuck anyway ?
vbdby 2 years ago
@vbdby the parrot's not dead it's pining for the fjords. Beautiful plumage!
insoulful 2 years ago
Canada Rocks
theoldmanlives 2 years ago
whimpy whiney protesters. Living in the USA and having people tell me how great Canada is with their health care and what not is so untrue. But I do not agree with the protesters. Most just don't want to go out and get a real job and actually have to work for a living. I think the Olympics are great and so happy to see Canada get a GOLD MEDAL in their home country. Hope to see USA vs Canada in the HOCKEY FINALS. Best sport ever!!!!!!! And I live in CALIFORNIA
theoldmanlives 2 years ago
"Most just don't want to go out and get a real job and actually have to work for a living."
And how do you know this? you actuakky talk to any of them? Ever even been to Canada? I doubt it.
Stereotypes are easier, aren't they?
What a copout.
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
@AnonymousB2B
My Dad was born in 1927 and raised in Canada. Grew up near Saskatoon. No electricity, used coal oil lamps. Had a hand pump out back and had to fetch the water. Had to walk out back to the outhouse in the dead of winter to take a shit. Don't tell me about Canada and how tough it is. You don't know how good you have it. You don't even know what COLD is Then you cry ,cuss and moan about how tough life is.
theoldmanlives 2 years ago
"Don't tell me about Canada and how tough it is. You don't know how good you have it. You don't even know what COLD is Then you cry ,cuss and moan about how tough life is."
That was YOUR DAD, not youHow do you know I have "cried cuss, or moaned"??? You do not even know me, or anything about me. Millions of people have had hard lives. You do not even know anything about me, the protestors, or anyone else on here....
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
...STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. There may have been people who have it worse than your dad.
That was YOUR DAD, not you.
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
again, you only respond with stereotypes. your dad is not the only person who has had it hard and that has nothing to do with your assuming that people protesting do not want to work real jobs. you evade the question with a "poor dad" story.
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
now: back to the priginal questions. you said: "Most just don't want to go out and get a real job and actually have to work for a living." how do you know this? have you talked to any of these protestors? or is it just too comforting to talk about your dad, please do not evade the question of these protestors' motivations or the suffering of Natives and the use of their land with sob stories about your dad. this is about your assumpitions, NOT your dad.
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
I'm sure most of these people work harder than the fat cats who are benefiting from the Olympics
destructicon500 2 years ago 3
there is no reason to spend 8 billion on this fucking fiasco with the poverty and homelessness. that young wman carrying the torch and being interviewed in the other clip is an airhead. she says something like, there has always been problems. please
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
Love this! Thank you, CJ
thesuperjill 2 years ago
that looks like more than a couple of hundred people to me
AnonymousB2B 2 years ago
Good job to the people who coordinated these protests. You diverted the torch bearer from Commercial Drive. You may have lost the battle of getting the Olympics from coming to Vancouver, but you have struck a blow for victory in the long run in the fight for global justice. we are growing and from here on out, let's just ignore the lunatics.
mylesh2000 2 years ago
The law does not allow Canada to acquire unceded indigenous territories without first negotiating treaties. Most of British Columbia is not covered by treaty. The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that Aboriginal Title exists.
Billions of dollars anually are made from resources from unceded Aboriginal lands.
And yet some cretins commenting here think that the Natives are the freeloaders.
You'll always find some moron in Canada perpetuating that myth.
insoulful 2 years ago
They should ban protests in the city because of these violent goofs. This wasn't protesting it was terrorism. Using fear and threat to disrupt and get your way.
sorium007 2 years ago
These families singing and dancing was terrrorism? You are confusing events of different days. My other commentaries condemn the violence that happened at other times.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
there are A LOT of confused people on here.
mylesh2000 2 years ago
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"I'm proud to be Canadian and don't need a 6 billion dollar Oylmpics to remind me how great this country is." I dont need to smash anything to get the point across, free speech and all.
IsraeliFighter 2 years ago
wow I am anti olympic in the sense of homelessness taking priority on the games, and the richer "elite get more$"
but this "stolen native land" shit is annoying, get over it you natives, you get free medical, dental, and even jail atvantages!
by wanting more and more perks from canada aboriginals devide themselves from the rest of us, and if you want more money and land then give us back the powerlines and hydro, that you so willingly use, get over it!!!!!
planes3333 2 years ago
This protest was a fucking joke. This was anything but a peaceful protest, you've given political protest a bad name. Do something better with your time you pieces of shit. Destroying public property and assaulting people is anything but peaceful. Doing so in masks even adds to the disgusting cowardice.
bhanny14 2 years ago
You are confusing events of different days.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
But I think you right about the violence and vandalism.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
SMASH CAPITALISM!!!! A.C.A.B !!!!
SilverNrGy985 2 years ago
So will they will be protesting on Native reserves along side natives after the Olympics to continually protest the development of infrastructure and commercialization on "Native Land". No? Why not? Answer - the majority of these "protestors" are following a "trend" which is ironic because their whole ideology is based on straying from trends and conformed society or government. But this protest is a trend otherwise they would continue to protest alongside Natives after the games.
soul76can 2 years ago
on stolen native land lol get over it the natives got their asses kicked and hey end of story welcome to Canada
minitwister 2 years ago
@minitwister Current estimates of native genocide in the Americas range from 6 million to 30 million. So, yes, the natives got their asses kicked much like Jews in the Holocaust got their asses kicked by the Nazis... and possibly five times worse. Do you think genocide is funny?
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
@thesurrationalone
I would have supported however dude I'm sick of hearing about stolen native land, its all our land and natives get free medial and dental +univerisity, are they different?? no, get on with life and quit moaning about what happened 30 years ago.!!!
planes3333 2 years ago
"Stolen" is, I agree, an outdated, misleading, and incorrect term.
thesurrationalone 2 years ago
The most amusing part is that it's mostly non-natives protesting stolen native land. If they want to set a good example, they should pack up and move if they feel so bad about stolen native land.
samie117 2 years ago 3
@minitwister
I know , they get free medical, dental and univeristy. Ok here is some land back but we'll take the hydro and plumbing too+medication. GO live back in a teepee, all special privaligde does is casue more devision between natives and the rest of us, a buddy of mine a native refused to get the special hand outs from the government so as to be in equality with us "conquering canadians" I think the way we acted a long time ago was horrible but GET OVER IT!!!
planes3333 2 years ago
@planes3333
'Free medical, dental, and university' -- well now, sign me up. Between CareCard and my workplace extended medical coverage I pay over $100 a month and still have to shell out whenever I get a filling or whatever, and my uni degree was paid for with student loans which take forever to pay off.
And guess what? I'm Native, from rural BC. Never had anyone offer to cover my financial ass.
queenofcrows 2 years ago
Are you status, if you are you can get free medical and dental, + univeristiy Least thats what my native friends tell me.
planes3333 2 years ago