No artistically being out of tune is not good. I allow for that more in jazz or gypsy music, but this is classical. If you've ever listened to someone sing flat you should know how much difference it makes.
There are many great violinists around. In this group Hilary Hahn is best. She also has a very comprehensive and difficult repertoire. Korngold, Schoenberg, Bach, Paganini,etc.
"The Village" soundtrack...excellent.
I like some that are fairly unknown. Try Winterconcertfanclub's channel
Harmonics are imitating people whistling. So people rarely bother if they are perfectly in tune when they whistle , like coming home from the pub. "Excuse me my friend but you are whistling out of tune"--Wallop! That`s how you get a fat lip. So---artistically ---a bit out of tune is better. Discuss.
I agree Hilary is #1. She literally makes the violin whistle with sweet accuracy and musicality. Perlman is an awful whistler...staccato and not sweet at all.
Alright, I'm not a violinist. Just stating my finely tuned ears delicate sensitivities. LOL
music isn't really about playing fast nor playing perfect but it is about making the music yours although playing in perfect pitch and fast makes it interesting but in my personal opinion Hilary Hahn is the best because she takes care about the sound quality what is one of the most important things in music and she doesn't have to demonstrate to anyone that she can play faster because she obviously can but she makes HER OWN VERSION
Hilary is the only one who can play this piece without any unwanted hissing noise. It's so pure you can hardly believe it's coming from that wooden istrument
Accuracy, smoothness of tone, consistency of tone quality, phrasing/dynamics. If you ask me, each violinist does all four of these things pretty darned well, but one stands out on each of them to me. Just saying, there are any number of aspects you can prioritize here, and depending on which you prioritize, each violinist shown here is best on at least one, I think.
Com'n, these are top notch violinists. They've reached the acme of violin playing. Thus, there isnt any technically 'better' ones and 'mediocre' ones in their level.
@killerecho These are artificial harmonics, they are played by placing your first finger on a given note and then barely applying pressure with your fourth finger a fourth up, this creates a harmonic that is two octaves above the note where your first finger is. So, in order to execute vibrato, you vibrato with both fingers. If you want to see this, watch a video of Sarasate's Carmen Fantasy
Very good question. These are fingered harmonics so you constantly keep your first finger on the string while extending the 4th finger. It is possible to rock the first finger where ever you put it. The fourth finger has to glide at the same speed the first finger rolls. Not easy but doable. She probably does it almost unconciously. That's what is amazing about the ease of her playing.
i barely cant listen to this piece 4th times, couse that is not what music ment to be, this is just technique, i hate this kind of pieces. so it doesnt matter who plays it better, couse either way it isn good! this is not, what makes a man a good musician!
Hahn's is defiantly the cleanest. Perlman's has the most personality and is the most interesting, but it is the least clean/accurate. Overall, Rabin is my favorite
Perlman is so generous, warm and human ... who cares about minor imperfections (...) when you enjoy a real mature musical soul ! Music is not about technic but flesh and blood.
My vote is for Rabin. His harmonics are clearer than are Perlman's; his tempo is better than that of Hahn; and he adds vibrato which Shaman does not. All four are splendid, but for me its RABIN.
Even with perfect double harmonics, virtuosity is not one of Hahn's strengths. I mean the kind that makes tough passages sound scintillating, as if they could be played for breakfast without warming up. MAYBE if Hahn added some personality or temperament to her playing, she could do that. But I doubt it. She wouldn't have the technique to support a temperment.
i can't believe people think hahn's is the best... it's dry and boring! at least perlman keeps on truckin despite the difficulties, shaham's is the most technically perfect, but my favourite is rabin for his intensity and clarity. hahn doesn't get a medal
I think (only my opinion!) Hilary Hahn is by far the best! She has the best tone and I agree with the user who said that she could totally play it faster if she wanted to. SHE DIDN'T MAKE CUTS! Hear her perform first before making judgments like that! I really like Shaham's too! Maybe Shaham and Hahn are close, Hilary being number one in my opinion.
Don't forget that Rabin's recordings are much older and were recorded on LPs mostly. The technology back then just couldn't catch the essence of his playing.
The people who listen and choose which they prefer are the ones who care who is best. Just as much as it is the performers opinion on how to play it, it is the listeners opinion on who plays it best. While we can appreciate all professional players on some level, there is nothing wrong with ranking them according to personal preference. People have been debating this for centuries and it will go on for centuries more. Get over it.
I was wrong, Perlman is not the fastest. Using a metronome, Itzhak is 96-98 fluctuating, Rabin 98-100 fluctuating, Shaham 100 fluctuating and Accardo is 104. Hilary is 84 with fluctuations. She rushes the run. Best sense of time is Accardo and Shaham in that order. Where most loose it are the runs. They tend to rush them. I could be more accurate but my metronome goes by increments of four. Best control goes to Accardo and Shaham.
But with music perfect time is not everything. Some could care less that Hilary is slower and that Accardo is fastest or in this group Shaham is fastest.
@violin144000 True some people couldn't care less if the passage was played slowly by Hilary. However this is Paganini if you want to be top dog you have to be able to execute these harmonics in the tempo of the exposition. If you can't, it's probably a technical defect. Yeah I said it!
I think for creativity and musicality and technique even though it was slower it was perfect Hilary beat them significantly the harmonics are soo clean and the harmonic after the run very nice. Perlmans is playful. Next is Shaham and then Rabin.
4 th Perlman . But I would like to be Perlman....!
Besides, the 24 Paganini Capricci by Rabin have not yet surpassed(secure),although many people play them wonderfully. It's funny to judge this way on the sofa! Compliments for the comparison to ImPitch....It' s useful to do this although a bit cruel.Thank You.Continue.
In my opinion it is unfair to compare these recordings. Hilary Hahn takes lots of cuts in her recordings but Perlman refuses to edit his recording. The same applies for Rabin and Shaham so for any of you saying 'Hilary has the cleaning playing' thats because she has edited the harmonics about 20 times (Perlman is my favourite by the way!)
Siento no poder expresar esto en inglés con corrección. La dificultad de estos armónicos dobles está en hacerlos ligados, no staccato. Pido que se escuchen con atención; Hilary es la única que los hace bien, muy ligados y muy bien afinados.
My favorite, from these recordings, was Gil Shaham. Hahn's tempo (as usual) was too slow, the result being careful. Shaham's came off much more naturally.
Shaham's is a good blend of accuracy and life; Perlman's was very musical but left much to be desired and Hahn's was a little dry. Rabin was difficult to tell due to the age of the recording..
Perlman es un bárbaro, fijaos como es capaz de vibrar las notas armónicas mientras los demás no lo hacen. Pero los cuatro fantásticos, sin duda alguna!
Hey people, this is slightly unfair to Michael Rabin as his is an old recording. Harmonics rely on high frequency components and would sound much less sweet on old recordings.
I don't really like Hilary Hahn much cuz she seems kinda arrogant to me (but I do admire her talent ^_^). She definitely did the best. Can't argue, lol. Gil Shaham comes dangerously close =).
As I said before, it plays almost double the time slower than the others and the others strangely playng at exactly the same time, but faster, I'm not saying it is a hack but time is also important
haha muchas gracias, en cierta manera y por las criticas, me doy cuenta que es cuestión de gustos, pero que bien que por fin alguien coincide conmigo!!!
Es cuestión de gustos, es verdad, pero yo, que soy pianista, o que lo fui, y como el piano es un instrumento que ya viene afinado de fábrica y es más fácil en ese sentido, noto cuando alguien afina extraordinariamente; y es el caso de Hilary, que me tiene asombrado desde que la oí.
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TheELG2011 5 months ago
Hilary Hahn rocks!
veidhleadoir 5 months ago
No artistically being out of tune is not good. I allow for that more in jazz or gypsy music, but this is classical. If you've ever listened to someone sing flat you should know how much difference it makes.
There are many great violinists around. In this group Hilary Hahn is best. She also has a very comprehensive and difficult repertoire. Korngold, Schoenberg, Bach, Paganini,etc.
"The Village" soundtrack...excellent.
I like some that are fairly unknown. Try Winterconcertfanclub's channel
robertslistening 5 months ago in playlist The strings!
Harmonics are imitating people whistling. So people rarely bother if they are perfectly in tune when they whistle , like coming home from the pub. "Excuse me my friend but you are whistling out of tune"--Wallop! That`s how you get a fat lip. So---artistically ---a bit out of tune is better. Discuss.
amezcuaist 5 months ago
Shaham is also slightly flat. If you think of his violin whistling a tune...listen to how out of pitch the whistle is.
robertslistening 6 months ago
I agree Hilary is #1. She literally makes the violin whistle with sweet accuracy and musicality. Perlman is an awful whistler...staccato and not sweet at all.
Alright, I'm not a violinist. Just stating my finely tuned ears delicate sensitivities. LOL
robertslistening 6 months ago
music isn't really about playing fast nor playing perfect but it is about making the music yours although playing in perfect pitch and fast makes it interesting but in my personal opinion Hilary Hahn is the best because she takes care about the sound quality what is one of the most important things in music and she doesn't have to demonstrate to anyone that she can play faster because she obviously can but she makes HER OWN VERSION
mohamateo 6 months ago
1. Hilary Hahn
2. Gil Shaham
3. Michael Rabin
4. Itzhak Perlman
dududevynidu 6 months ago
Certified Intergalactic!
Dogaradodia 6 months ago
Hilary is the only one who can play this piece without any unwanted hissing noise. It's so pure you can hardly believe it's coming from that wooden istrument
hiroyoshi00 9 months ago
Accuracy, smoothness of tone, consistency of tone quality, phrasing/dynamics. If you ask me, each violinist does all four of these things pretty darned well, but one stands out on each of them to me. Just saying, there are any number of aspects you can prioritize here, and depending on which you prioritize, each violinist shown here is best on at least one, I think.
BenMcCormack91 11 months ago
i give the most props to Rabin. who made it sound like two flutes
Silkmeister 1 year ago 3
Com'n, these are top notch violinists. They've reached the acme of violin playing. Thus, there isnt any technically 'better' ones and 'mediocre' ones in their level.
bountyhanz 1 year ago
She makes it sound as easy as two cowboys casually whistling and warbling with each other on a lazy afternoon. Not a hint of struggle or showiness.
TECstudio 1 year ago
Hilary is the only one who actually PHRASES the harmonics.
kaikobird 1 year ago 9
I prefer Miss Hahn !
floydordie 1 year ago 4
Leonid Kogan owns them all :)
dududevynidu 1 year ago 5
hillary hahn fucks everybody
jasonform 1 year ago
It tells a lot about the musicality of each one. Judging this from a few bars isn't fair though, but it's a nice sample.
kammermusiken 1 year ago
Newbie question: How the heck do you apply vibrato to harmonics?
killerecho 1 year ago
@killerecho These are artificial harmonics, they are played by placing your first finger on a given note and then barely applying pressure with your fourth finger a fourth up, this creates a harmonic that is two octaves above the note where your first finger is. So, in order to execute vibrato, you vibrato with both fingers. If you want to see this, watch a video of Sarasate's Carmen Fantasy
jarhead297 1 year ago
@killerecho
You do vibrato while playing harmonics.
getsuga97 1 year ago
@killerecho
Very good question. These are fingered harmonics so you constantly keep your first finger on the string while extending the 4th finger. It is possible to rock the first finger where ever you put it. The fourth finger has to glide at the same speed the first finger rolls. Not easy but doable. She probably does it almost unconciously. That's what is amazing about the ease of her playing.
TECstudio 1 year ago
@TECstudio Thanks for that clarification. Hahn's genius has always been to make the impossible sound effortless.
killerecho 1 year ago
i barely cant listen to this piece 4th times, couse that is not what music ment to be, this is just technique, i hate this kind of pieces. so it doesnt matter who plays it better, couse either way it isn good! this is not, what makes a man a good musician!
ianpaice91 1 year ago
Hahn's is defiantly the cleanest. Perlman's has the most personality and is the most interesting, but it is the least clean/accurate. Overall, Rabin is my favorite
westseniorhigh 1 year ago
it's ridiculous these kind of judgment. that's the most non-artistic thing on music!
ribonacci 1 year ago
Rabin is my favorite.
BWolcott 1 year ago
Perlman is so generous, warm and human ... who cares about minor imperfections (...) when you enjoy a real mature musical soul ! Music is not about technic but flesh and blood.
bibifrijam 1 year ago
Boring is a matter of opinion. Hilary Hahn's was definitely the cleanest.
craisslayer 1 year ago
I am a great fan of Hahn, but in this case I prefer Rabin and Shaham
tbutt1956 1 year ago
I vote... uh... hm. I like Hahn and Shaham the best. Love the clarity.
ErktheEngineer 1 year ago
My vote is for Rabin. His harmonics are clearer than are Perlman's; his tempo is better than that of Hahn; and he adds vibrato which Shaman does not. All four are splendid, but for me its RABIN.
calloffthedogs 1 year ago
Even with perfect double harmonics, virtuosity is not one of Hahn's strengths. I mean the kind that makes tough passages sound scintillating, as if they could be played for breakfast without warming up. MAYBE if Hahn added some personality or temperament to her playing, she could do that. But I doubt it. She wouldn't have the technique to support a temperment.
muslit 2 years ago 2
One thing is for sure: Hahn's is the most boring. Sleeping would be more exciting.
muslit 2 years ago 3
i can't believe people think hahn's is the best... it's dry and boring! at least perlman keeps on truckin despite the difficulties, shaham's is the most technically perfect, but my favourite is rabin for his intensity and clarity. hahn doesn't get a medal
mkeysou812 2 years ago
definitivamente Hilary Hahn,que claridad y sobre todo una afinacion perfecta
JUAKPROD 2 years ago 5
Kogan is still the best! Case closed!!!
jiasokim 2 years ago 3
Keep in mind that it is harder for Perlman to produce harmonics due to his large hand size. His actually sounds rather good considering.
donesixfour 2 years ago
and he adds vibrato to the double harmonics. Impressive.
calloffthedogs 1 year ago
I think (only my opinion!) Hilary Hahn is by far the best! She has the best tone and I agree with the user who said that she could totally play it faster if she wanted to. SHE DIDN'T MAKE CUTS! Hear her perform first before making judgments like that! I really like Shaham's too! Maybe Shaham and Hahn are close, Hilary being number one in my opinion.
HahnPotterishFowlnut 2 years ago
Don't forget that Rabin's recordings are much older and were recorded on LPs mostly. The technology back then just couldn't catch the essence of his playing.
txmusician13 2 years ago
Who cares who plays it "best". Best is just an opinion. They all have different styles and opinions in their heads of how it's supposed to go.
ShindaiLoversBand 2 years ago
The people who listen and choose which they prefer are the ones who care who is best. Just as much as it is the performers opinion on how to play it, it is the listeners opinion on who plays it best. While we can appreciate all professional players on some level, there is nothing wrong with ranking them according to personal preference. People have been debating this for centuries and it will go on for centuries more. Get over it.
antiaverage1 2 years ago
I was wrong, Perlman is not the fastest. Using a metronome, Itzhak is 96-98 fluctuating, Rabin 98-100 fluctuating, Shaham 100 fluctuating and Accardo is 104. Hilary is 84 with fluctuations. She rushes the run. Best sense of time is Accardo and Shaham in that order. Where most loose it are the runs. They tend to rush them. I could be more accurate but my metronome goes by increments of four. Best control goes to Accardo and Shaham.
violin144000 2 years ago
But with music perfect time is not everything. Some could care less that Hilary is slower and that Accardo is fastest or in this group Shaham is fastest.
violin144000 2 years ago 7
@violin144000 If you could care less then why don't you? PEOPLE THE PHRASE IS "I COULDN'T CARE LESS". Learn english please.
violatione 1 year ago
@violin144000 True some people couldn't care less if the passage was played slowly by Hilary. However this is Paganini if you want to be top dog you have to be able to execute these harmonics in the tempo of the exposition. If you can't, it's probably a technical defect. Yeah I said it!
violatione 8 months ago
@violin144000 Is this a sport discipline or what ?
violinoamore 2 years ago
dont know but Shaham sounds best for me, clearest and brightest sound... hahn does also a superb job, didnt like it from Perlman and Rabin tho..
ivancheviolin 2 years ago
I think for creativity and musicality and technique even though it was slower it was perfect Hilary beat them significantly the harmonics are soo clean and the harmonic after the run very nice. Perlmans is playful. Next is Shaham and then Rabin.
violin144000 2 years ago
Shaham..... by far!
guarneri20 2 years ago
1. Shaham (cleanest, best sense of line in the entire passage, best balance of double stops)
2. Rabin (next cleanest, totally fearless approach and masterful command)
3. Perlman (gotta hand it to Itzy, how can a guy with such huge hands even get through this passage!)
4. Hahn (smooth and clean as usual but the pace is lacking)
stradguy1740 2 years ago 3
Hahn has more emotion into it
maxohpne 2 years ago
Michael Rabin probably did it in one take, like the caprices.
unclefreizo 2 years ago
1st Hahn
2 nd Shahan
3 rd Rabin
4 th Perlman . But I would like to be Perlman....!
Besides, the 24 Paganini Capricci by Rabin have not yet surpassed(secure),although many people play them wonderfully. It's funny to judge this way on the sofa! Compliments for the comparison to ImPitch....It' s useful to do this although a bit cruel.Thank You.Continue.
vivasavonarola 2 years ago
Try to compare just Shaham with Hahn, even if she cut the recordings, Shaham is still so much in tune and faster than her, musicaly he's also better!
mmarcaljr 2 years ago 4
In my opinion it is unfair to compare these recordings. Hilary Hahn takes lots of cuts in her recordings but Perlman refuses to edit his recording. The same applies for Rabin and Shaham so for any of you saying 'Hilary has the cleaning playing' thats because she has edited the harmonics about 20 times (Perlman is my favourite by the way!)
jacobfendt 2 years ago
have you heard hilary hahn in person? she's the most perfect violinist i ever heard, how do you know she cut the recordings?
pablogriggio 2 years ago
it's actually common knowledge that most of today's soloists splice their recordings...not just Hilary Hahn..
pppsssssssss 2 years ago
1st-shaham
2nd-hahn
3rd-perlman
4th-shittyshittyrabinitty
dommodpoo1 2 years ago
Siento no poder expresar esto en inglés con corrección. La dificultad de estos armónicos dobles está en hacerlos ligados, no staccato. Pido que se escuchen con atención; Hilary es la única que los hace bien, muy ligados y muy bien afinados.
MusicologoUAM 2 years ago
itzhak perlman's was the best
seaknight500 2 years ago 3
"he was", long ago. Today... the best is Hilary Hahn
MusicologoUAM 2 years ago
Hilary Hahn is amazing. I enjoyed her interpretation the most.
MyMemories19 2 years ago
have to agree with muslit, now if only i could get my double stop harmonics like that. But i always prefer bright over mellow.
tzeentchau 2 years ago
My favorite, from these recordings, was Gil Shaham. Hahn's tempo (as usual) was too slow, the result being careful. Shaham's came off much more naturally.
muslit 2 years ago
Hilary Hahn could play this twice as fast if he wanted to. She might take it slow, but you can hear every note perfectly.
Rcoppin91 2 years ago
I like Hahn's better.
MyMemories19 2 years ago
Hillary Hahn is by far the best,absolutly perfect!
milstein91 2 years ago
In general , they are the great artist,the sought after violinists!!!5 stars.
bountyhanz 2 years ago 2
Great Shaham!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dansoftheways 2 years ago 2
Shaham's is a good blend of accuracy and life; Perlman's was very musical but left much to be desired and Hahn's was a little dry. Rabin was difficult to tell due to the age of the recording..
alptraumgeiger 2 years ago 3
Perlman es un bárbaro, fijaos como es capaz de vibrar las notas armónicas mientras los demás no lo hacen. Pero los cuatro fantásticos, sin duda alguna!
aipviolin 2 years ago
my rating is:
1) Gil Shaham (absolutely perfect!)
2) Hilary Hahn (wonderful, but too slow and very little tuning problems)
3) MIchael Rabin (some harmonics are not perfectly double)
4) Itzhak Perlman (many imperfections)
anyway, all these are great!
Rinhos 2 years ago
2:33 - Gil Shaham not in tune.
MonoRec88 2 years ago
You must be really deaf if you put Rabin on the 3d place, what harmonics where not perfectly double?? Tell me ?? go home and practise, amateurs.
GezaHosszuLegocky 2 years ago 2
All 4 are great!!,I can't choose one of them.
farzadvengerov 2 years ago
Hillary Hahn is the cleanest and in this part only matters to be clean!
jasonform 2 years ago
Perlman. The notes are alive.
rollnjay 2 years ago 4
Perlman uses a true vibrato and phrasing in harmonics! I like this
violinist1969 2 years ago 4
Hey people, this is slightly unfair to Michael Rabin as his is an old recording. Harmonics rely on high frequency components and would sound much less sweet on old recordings.
msiu 2 years ago 11
Hilary produce the best sound, as is usual and as always it is recognized by experts; second Sahan
Sitioespacio 2 years ago
Hilary Hanh do it really more slowly than the others.., listen carefully , of course, she is absolutely very careful...but very boring
Brunildilla 2 years ago
Gil Shaham, absolutely!!!!
Brunildilla 2 years ago
I don't really like Hilary Hahn much cuz she seems kinda arrogant to me (but I do admire her talent ^_^). She definitely did the best. Can't argue, lol. Gil Shaham comes dangerously close =).
EfikZara 2 years ago 3
the most clean ---> Shaham
i like the most ---> Perlman
don't understand why everyLbodyA likCes HKan'sO bFetTteAr, STE ?
allfre2 2 years ago
Admit it, Hilary's is the best here, it isn't worth denying. They are SO CLEAN.
ItzhakRoxMySox 2 years ago
As I said before, it plays almost double the time slower than the others and the others strangely playng at exactly the same time, but faster, I'm not saying it is a hack but time is also important
Brunildilla 2 years ago
it's scary clean. almost mechanical.
technically speaking, paganini would be scared by her.
shawkobezhu 2 years ago 3
Because she plays them better. I can't stand the way Perlman play his. Shahams are out of tune. Hilarys are perfect.
Rcoppin91 2 years ago
Hahn is the cutest for sure
HAHA
chawinnieshu 2 years ago 2
Can't beat Hilary on this one. They're perfectly played. But the tone quality of hers is better too...it must be her Vuillaume.
ItzhakRoxMySox 2 years ago
or her ( :
concertolover81291 2 years ago
No one sounds like Hilary Hahn!
cloverscapeluvr 2 years ago
haha thank you :P
LyeraNY 2 years ago
im sure you are wrong..
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
is this a reply for me??
moonkasnow 2 years ago
well yeah..
redviolinistuk 2 years ago
Oops.... nobody is agree with me... :(....
why am i wrong??? how can be wrong an opinion??
moonkasnow 2 years ago 3
1- Hilary Hahn
2-Gil Shaham
3-Itzhak Perlman
4-Michael Rabin
moonkasnow 2 years ago
I completely agree:
1- Hilary Hahn
2-Gil Shaham
3-Itzhak Perlman
4-Michael Rabin
You have a good ear for music.
Sitioespacio 2 years ago
haha muchas gracias, en cierta manera y por las criticas, me doy cuenta que es cuestión de gustos, pero que bien que por fin alguien coincide conmigo!!!
moonkasnow 2 years ago
Gracias a ti por tu respuesta.
Es cuestión de gustos, es verdad, pero yo, que soy pianista, o que lo fui, y como el piano es un instrumento que ya viene afinado de fábrica y es más fácil en ese sentido, noto cuando alguien afina extraordinariamente; y es el caso de Hilary, que me tiene asombrado desde que la oí.
Sitioespacio 2 years ago