I have a Bonabo monkey that I trained to take short ground skim flights in a HG. He is not able to fly RC at all, even after numerous lessons. He did well on the HG untill a bad landing and now I can't even get him to put on the harness..
I can do even a lazy and stinky loop in more conditions with a plane with a stabilizer, that I cannot get away with cleanly on a wing(zagi). You HAVE to have perfect judgement and or perfect speed and air to get through a loop (level in and out)perfect. A lot going on in a very short plane and time-span. I would never do a loop in a narrow band of ridge lift. Too many variables affecting the wing. Never heard if the pilot came out okay. Hope so.
think about it-if you cannot learn to relax and effectively control a $300 prop jet or glider remotely-should you REALLY be strapping yourself onto a hang glider(at any cost)? I've had awesome flights with rc and learned MUCH more about the air-and how to stay relaxed and react correctly. And I've had bad times as I learned that. No way around that, so choose your risk carefully as the risk WILL take more than you would have preferred at some point. Balsa or bones/blood?...your call.
@SeanWyseman I don't know. Most do NOT fly RC. Relative few do. it is fairly obvious he doesn't know alot about where the lift band is strongest as he dives through it; gets to low, and then when he is inverted he is in the strongest part of the lift band and that appears to be what stabilizes his glider in the inverted position until the inevitible happens. Just my two cents...He enters the worst position at the strongest part of the lift. Hope he was(eventually?)okay; flying again.
@SeanWyseman my RC comment was more aimed at actual HG lessons/students and I have NEVER met/known or heard about an HG instructor who started their students off learning basic flight principles(as so much the same applies)on an RC plane or even an rc flight sim. These can and DO go a long way to introducing and internalizing flight understanding and effective reactions/choices. An ooops on a sim or an RC glider is very different from an ooops on a hang glider. A 'minor' HG crash CAN kill.
@shoegooguru Perhaps you are right. I fail to take into account my experience with RC and with private pilots license long before hang gliding. Perhaps I took too much for granted.
I see your point about lift band and basic glider flight. Since I always had pictures in my mind about air flow it was only natural to think that way. But I can see how someone without any aerodynamic background could learn some things about lift by flying RC gliders first.
@shoegooguru I taught all my students on a "Trainer Cord " (Futaba) and have never lost a plane yet . So there really "is" a way to learn and not burn . lol BARCS.org
on the RC note: I wish I had gotten into RC BEFORE hang gliding as it is the best way I can think of to practice and integrate flight dynamics in many conditions. It takes staying calm and a high degree of attention and reaction skills to fly some rc planes and that is certainly something that will carry over to flying a hang glider. The more you understand and have experienced the air and your ability to control a wing(even remotely)the better you will be when you are actually under a wing.
I did take some HG lessons and I really liked it...but that was clean coastal ridgelift and no tricks obviously. Excuse my newbie comment, but a loop in a vertical air current; that close to the ground as well? Hmmm seems like some simple aerodynamic principles would say 'no' to this? I have flown RC for quite some time and surprises happen even with great skills. HG is not immune to them except YOU are on the line for whatever happens.
Pilot 4 was a friend who does Competition Acro, who lost sight of the ground during a competition, and hit the ground hard. Most older experienced pilots fly minimizing their risk, as they already know there is enough inherent risk in the sport as is. As you get older, most have families, and have seen their own fair share of accidents as well. I guess you could say that that saying is somewhere between figurative, and literal. Just my 2 cents.
Side Note: In my 5 years of flying, I have personally witnessed 3 accidents, and knew another pilot personally who was injured seriously. All 4 were experienced pilots, well above my experience level. Pilot 1 recieved an assymetric collapse, roughly 50 feet high, just taken off, piled in to the mountain. Pilot 2 recieved a assymetric collapse roughly 40 feet, just turning his base leg for landing. Pilot 3 stalled half his wing at 50 feet, taking off, and helicoptered in hard. Continued.
These guys are in a league all their own, I don't dispute. Rocketry, and jet aircraft, are also a far cry from Ultralights, and, I don't know if either of those two pilots have ever flown ultralights as a hobby, but, in Hang Gliding, and Paragliding, well, any ultralight aircraft in general, it is a mantra of flying.
@worldwildwest My friend, that "Fatso" was Luciano Pavarotti, the greatest opera Tenor of modern times (second only to Enrico Caruso 80 years ago). The "infamous opera TUNE" is called Nessan Dorma from Turandot, and was his signature piece. It is recognized around the world ~ where did you say you were from?
@FLSHBK1 Don't worry about it...some just have to advertise their ignorance and lack of taste or class on Youtube. Same kind of guys who will slam a video,when they have zero vid posts of their own.
I'm surprised you were able to hold on to the control bar during the first tumble but it gets a bit violent quick. I've attempted loops in flex wing-tip gliders but my 240 lbs hook-in weight never seemed to be able to retain the energy to go over the top and I've always had to revert to a wing-over.
It's called a "tumble" or "whip-stall". Generally it is unrecoverable. Anyone who tries a loop in a low inertia, tail-less aircraft is just asking for this to happen. This is not an example of having big balls, but an example of having a small brain.
@TheCscotthendry Plus, if you fall into the glider, it will usually break. I saw this happen in front of me once, and the wreckage caught in the lines & closed the bottom of his chute up. Luckily he was pretty much ok, the wing that didn't break autorotated and slowed his rate of descent. He hit the soft, newly furrowed ground right in front of me, about fifteen feet from a picnic table.
@TheCscotthendry I do not totally agree. A tailess wing is actually BETTER able to do a loop BECAUSE there is no tail. The issue is not the ability of a wing to enter or complete a loop based on a tail-but how stable a wing can be within that maneuvre. An elevator/;stabilizer boomed out to be on a different plane will mask errors that a wing alone, MUST have right since there is only one control plane surface. Loops are nothing new to HG'ers. His environment was wrong for this I believe.
espero que ele tenha sobrevivido..... o video mostra bem como o peso do corpo fora da posicao de picar a asa faz o processo como um todo nao ter fim......
Sometimes it actually comes out ok if they just pick the right music. Check out Google Videos "hang gliding big sur california - beautiful!" Music starts at about 1:10.
As for Pavarotti, I doubt a hang glider could carry him >)
I have a Bonabo monkey that I trained to take short ground skim flights in a HG. He is not able to fly RC at all, even after numerous lessons. He did well on the HG untill a bad landing and now I can't even get him to put on the harness..
waterbrother007 1 month ago 2
@waterbrother007 you are kidding... or not?
sundancer84 2 weeks ago
I can do even a lazy and stinky loop in more conditions with a plane with a stabilizer, that I cannot get away with cleanly on a wing(zagi). You HAVE to have perfect judgement and or perfect speed and air to get through a loop (level in and out)perfect. A lot going on in a very short plane and time-span. I would never do a loop in a narrow band of ridge lift. Too many variables affecting the wing. Never heard if the pilot came out okay. Hope so.
shoegooguru 3 months ago
this was at stanwell tops, new south wales, australia
uncledan75 6 months ago
think about it-if you cannot learn to relax and effectively control a $300 prop jet or glider remotely-should you REALLY be strapping yourself onto a hang glider(at any cost)? I've had awesome flights with rc and learned MUCH more about the air-and how to stay relaxed and react correctly. And I've had bad times as I learned that. No way around that, so choose your risk carefully as the risk WILL take more than you would have preferred at some point. Balsa or bones/blood?...your call.
shoegooguru 8 months ago
@shoegooguru How do you know the pilot did not fly RC when not HG? Lots of HG pilots do just to pass the time while waiting for good conditions.
SeanWyseman 7 months ago
@SeanWyseman I don't know. Most do NOT fly RC. Relative few do. it is fairly obvious he doesn't know alot about where the lift band is strongest as he dives through it; gets to low, and then when he is inverted he is in the strongest part of the lift band and that appears to be what stabilizes his glider in the inverted position until the inevitible happens. Just my two cents...He enters the worst position at the strongest part of the lift. Hope he was(eventually?)okay; flying again.
shoegooguru 7 months ago
@SeanWyseman my RC comment was more aimed at actual HG lessons/students and I have NEVER met/known or heard about an HG instructor who started their students off learning basic flight principles(as so much the same applies)on an RC plane or even an rc flight sim. These can and DO go a long way to introducing and internalizing flight understanding and effective reactions/choices. An ooops on a sim or an RC glider is very different from an ooops on a hang glider. A 'minor' HG crash CAN kill.
shoegooguru 7 months ago
@shoegooguru Perhaps you are right. I fail to take into account my experience with RC and with private pilots license long before hang gliding. Perhaps I took too much for granted.
I see your point about lift band and basic glider flight. Since I always had pictures in my mind about air flow it was only natural to think that way. But I can see how someone without any aerodynamic background could learn some things about lift by flying RC gliders first.
SeanWyseman 3 months ago
@shoegooguru I taught all my students on a "Trainer Cord " (Futaba) and have never lost a plane yet . So there really "is" a way to learn and not burn . lol BARCS.org
SAYYOURROSARY 3 months ago
on the RC note: I wish I had gotten into RC BEFORE hang gliding as it is the best way I can think of to practice and integrate flight dynamics in many conditions. It takes staying calm and a high degree of attention and reaction skills to fly some rc planes and that is certainly something that will carry over to flying a hang glider. The more you understand and have experienced the air and your ability to control a wing(even remotely)the better you will be when you are actually under a wing.
shoegooguru 8 months ago
I did take some HG lessons and I really liked it...but that was clean coastal ridgelift and no tricks obviously. Excuse my newbie comment, but a loop in a vertical air current; that close to the ground as well? Hmmm seems like some simple aerodynamic principles would say 'no' to this? I have flown RC for quite some time and surprises happen even with great skills. HG is not immune to them except YOU are on the line for whatever happens.
shoegooguru 8 months ago
Pilot 4 was a friend who does Competition Acro, who lost sight of the ground during a competition, and hit the ground hard. Most older experienced pilots fly minimizing their risk, as they already know there is enough inherent risk in the sport as is. As you get older, most have families, and have seen their own fair share of accidents as well. I guess you could say that that saying is somewhere between figurative, and literal. Just my 2 cents.
wayne11122000 9 months ago
Side Note: In my 5 years of flying, I have personally witnessed 3 accidents, and knew another pilot personally who was injured seriously. All 4 were experienced pilots, well above my experience level. Pilot 1 recieved an assymetric collapse, roughly 50 feet high, just taken off, piled in to the mountain. Pilot 2 recieved a assymetric collapse roughly 40 feet, just turning his base leg for landing. Pilot 3 stalled half his wing at 50 feet, taking off, and helicoptered in hard. Continued.
wayne11122000 9 months ago
These guys are in a league all their own, I don't dispute. Rocketry, and jet aircraft, are also a far cry from Ultralights, and, I don't know if either of those two pilots have ever flown ultralights as a hobby, but, in Hang Gliding, and Paragliding, well, any ultralight aircraft in general, it is a mantra of flying.
wayne11122000 9 months ago
There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots. There are no old, bold, pilots.
wayne11122000 9 months ago
@wayne11122000 what about john glenn or chuck yeager?
ImmaculateSludge 9 months ago
live by the sword die by the sword.
popsflying 11 months ago
Some people have no right to be behind a camera.
mannhorn34 11 months ago 2
The glider was a Moyes GTR. A very strong glider. No one make a glider that strong anymore.
Hankxc 1 year ago
che vergogna .... tira almeno sto azz di paracadute
deltaplanos 1 year ago
the front flips looked better than the loop
commandro 1 year ago
Dude, This Failed Loop isn't Funny to watch While Some Fatso Sings an Infamous Opera Tune, Should at Least have a narrator instead.
worldwildwest 1 year ago
@worldwildwest My friend, that "Fatso" was Luciano Pavarotti, the greatest opera Tenor of modern times (second only to Enrico Caruso 80 years ago). The "infamous opera TUNE" is called Nessan Dorma from Turandot, and was his signature piece. It is recognized around the world ~ where did you say you were from?
FLSHBK1 9 months ago
@FLSHBK1 Don't worry about it...some just have to advertise their ignorance and lack of taste or class on Youtube. Same kind of guys who will slam a video,when they have zero vid posts of their own.
shoegooguru 8 months ago
hahahaha
panzertank15 1 year ago
That looks like Fort Funston - is it?
554687858 1 year ago
Coolest stunt ever. Did it hurt? :p
WICKEDDelta 1 year ago
wow front flips thats good.
CraigRidley1 1 year ago
I'm surprised you were able to hold on to the control bar during the first tumble but it gets a bit violent quick. I've attempted loops in flex wing-tip gliders but my 240 lbs hook-in weight never seemed to be able to retain the energy to go over the top and I've always had to revert to a wing-over.
dkjens0705 1 year ago
i thought that hang glider will recovere from stall?anybody can antwer please.
alex3056x 1 year ago
@alex3056x
It's called a "tumble" or "whip-stall". Generally it is unrecoverable. Anyone who tries a loop in a low inertia, tail-less aircraft is just asking for this to happen. This is not an example of having big balls, but an example of having a small brain.
TheCscotthendry 1 year ago 9
@TheCscotthendry ya u may be right
alex3056x 1 year ago
@alex3056x
Search for "microlight tumble" to see the same thing happen with a weightshift microlight when thge pilot attempts a loop.
TheCscotthendry 1 year ago
@TheCscotthendry
Sorry, look for ultralight tumble or
TheCscotthendry 1 year ago
@TheCscotthendry Plus, if you fall into the glider, it will usually break. I saw this happen in front of me once, and the wreckage caught in the lines & closed the bottom of his chute up. Luckily he was pretty much ok, the wing that didn't break autorotated and slowed his rate of descent. He hit the soft, newly furrowed ground right in front of me, about fifteen feet from a picnic table.
GaijinNH 1 year ago
@TheCscotthendry I do not totally agree. A tailess wing is actually BETTER able to do a loop BECAUSE there is no tail. The issue is not the ability of a wing to enter or complete a loop based on a tail-but how stable a wing can be within that maneuvre. An elevator/;stabilizer boomed out to be on a different plane will mask errors that a wing alone, MUST have right since there is only one control plane surface. Loops are nothing new to HG'ers. His environment was wrong for this I believe.
shoegooguru 3 months ago
say what u want,he's got big balls for teying it
sennatb 1 year ago
Shiiiit scary thing mate
buenacossa 2 years ago
Moyes GTR was a very stable, good handling and Hi performance, if not enough, that was the current world champion Hang Glider and Pilot duo as well.
pepeleyva 2 years ago
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nice!!! i hope the pilot died !! when we play with the fire,we burn.
celuikipense 2 years ago
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Did he die?
joshua0226 2 years ago
The pilot lived, the singer died thou (I hope)
fatfreddiescat 2 years ago 3
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LMFAO - amen to that - noisy fat Italian cunt - imagine living next to him.
armandin2048 2 years ago
@fatfreddiescat Let me guess: you live in a trailer behind a gas station, and your main meal of the day is a Snickers bar?
shoegooguru 7 months ago
espero que ele tenha sobrevivido..... o video mostra bem como o peso do corpo fora da posicao de picar a asa faz o processo como um todo nao ter fim......
deminas2 2 years ago
Can I see this again?
WeFlyTogether 3 years ago
So thats how Pavorotti died.
N15gooner 3 years ago 15
Opera and hang gliding don't mix :)
curea229 2 years ago
+1 - virtually every attempt to 'enhance' action video with sound track artifacts fails miserably.
chuanist 2 years ago
Sometimes it actually comes out ok if they just pick the right music. Check out Google Videos "hang gliding big sur california - beautiful!" Music starts at about 1:10.
As for Pavarotti, I doubt a hang glider could carry him >)
curea229 2 years ago
is that music from the assassination scenes of Sum of All Fears?
n49945 3 years ago
sorry it didnt work out for you, try para failing
bob46802 3 years ago
did he survive?
isphius 3 years ago
That is the only thing rung about hang glider
and everything that fly!But if you think about
it even the ground is dangerous & you wish you could you fly away!
musico28 3 years ago
wrong
musico28 3 years ago
I'm glad we have better video cameras these days..
CLayaway1 3 years ago
glad he mede it-despite the music.
HelmerRamone 3 years ago
that sounded like paul potts from american idol
sourmanofcoal 4 years ago
he`s from britains got talent....
dripwire 3 years ago
It looked fatal to me also. :(
wayne11122000 4 years ago
Here is a comment below from a hang gliding forum. Looks like the guy made it.
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David Phillips:That looks like Ricky Duncan's failed loop at Stanwell park (Oz) in around 1988.
Rds,
David
Good day Millman
It was Russ. No chute deployed but hit the hill on the slope. Broken nose. Doesn't loop anymore.
aylesmerep 4 years ago 3
Broken nose my left armpit...that kind of fall will easily break your nose and every other bone in your body.
bodidnt 2 years ago
Do you know about that kind of fall? have you or someone you know had a fall like that?
He may have walked away?
Frankifourfingers 2 years ago
Wow, I hate to see that! I have to ask if the pilot lived?
lostgriz 4 years ago
That looked fatal to me. :o(
flyhghgy 4 years ago