I was baptised as a Roman Catholic but I'd gladly denounce it and accept excommunication. I would gladly let my catholisism stand if the church would accept & acknowledge Adolf Hitler as one of their own and accept responsiblity for his autrosities and the crimes committed by priests against children. Ratzinger the 1st is no different than any other phony pope!
I'm not saying they deserved it, and I have a lot of respect for Jews for not trying to force their religion down my throat, but the simple fact that they were killed for being religious has to be another point for atheism right?
@oscardoodles Believe me he's already been calling me an idiot for my religious beliefs, i just checked on his channel and noticed that he insults people on any video involving Christianity. So now i'm just haunting him to see how mad he gets, because his issues towards religion make me laugh.
@sonykroket I'm teasing you because obviously you are getting way to angry about something that shouldn't be making you angry in the first place. Your responses only show what a f*ckin immature kid you are who should stop getting angry about religion and just do something else! If you want this to stop you best shut up and go do something else.
Responding to my comment will only prove that you are an immature brat who can't handle people having different views on life.
I dont want anything to stop, i think its you whos looking for a way to weasle out. You keep coming with all the patronizing condescending crap acting like some authoritydipshit
But to me you'll always be the dumbass of the week
@sonykroket You've proven my point from my last comment. And you don't want this to stop? Have you really become so intrigued by me that you just don't want to stop talking to me? Listen kid, if you hate religion so much, why do you keep dwelling on movies that are all involved with religion?
I find it funny that you resort to a large amount of cussing to make yourself look superior, while in reality you just look pathetic.
@sonykroket i never said you were my kid, but you act like a child by your obvious tantrum. Why can't you act more like your youtube buddy and not explode over someone being a christian. Please, thank you, and have a nice night
@sonykroket Actually i am doing something in between talking with you, i foster orphaned and sick kittens that no one else wants. And your youtube buddy would be someone named Scotte something? The one with a pic of jesus with a Mr. bean face, he's a very respectable person who's beliefs and arguements are very fascinating to me, and the fact that he just sounds so smart without the use of cuss words is impressive.
On the other hand, you're just a grump. How about a cookie to make you happy?
@sonykroket Don't you fucking insult anyone with Alzheimer's...you are stupid enough as it is with your inability to accept others for their beliefs, but making fun of mental conditions is about as low and disgusting as someone can get. That is just so pathetic of you to even say that...OH NOW I GET IT!!! You are just sooo alone that you'd do anything for attention! Poor lil boy...and the only liar i see here is the boy who says "I love God" but goes and calls every christian an idiot.
So you admit you're a lying little bibleclownette, Ms Alzheimer? You said you were leaving but you keep yapping although relimuppets are born liars
Dont try to hide behind people, its you who im making fun off, superstitious hag. I never said i love god, you blind witch, i couldnt care less about stupid shit like that
@sonykroket i'll do my best to respect your hatred, and i'll listen to someone I respect and just leave you alone. We both don't need to make enemies of each other, and with that I will say good bye.
Good bye and God bless (even though you don't want his blessing i still have the right and free-speech to bless you) deal with it
@RareandFriends Yes, you do have the right to say what u want, regardless of religion. And that is no thanks to any religion today, Ill tell you. So please use the rights you have gained by people who fought against doctrines.
@unecldolan I try and use my rights in a way that would make my ancestors proud, but I often fail at that. I just wish that some people could realize that i'm an extremely accepting Christian and i'm actually disliked by quiet a few christians in my community because one of my closest friends is an atheist. We all have the freedom to choose our beliefs, and it's sad to know that i'm the only one around here who knows what free-will is.
@sonykroket Spelling errors? Sounds to me like you are a bit rattled. You have spelled PATRONISING in the American or 'spell checker' way, you silly little man. You still haven't outlined YOUR POINT. How can this debate move forward when you cannot string a few little words together to make a valid point of your own. If you are feeling 'patronised' it is purely down to the fact that you are feeling inferior, quite rightly, I have read some of your posts. What is your IQ? is it above 80?
@mahender6969 Nazism, The KKK, The inquisition, The crusades, Apartheid, European colonialism, The clash in Ireland, Witch hunts are all products of Papal Antichrist Caesar Dynasty Rome and its secret military Ignatius Loyola's Jesuit Order. Neither of these entities are "Christian" and neither is paganistic doctrines of man Roman Catholicism.
The R.C. institution is a political power seeking its temporal rule over the globe by using the guise of "christianity".
@oscardoodles He focused on religion because Christians often use hitler as a bad example of atheism, when he was not athiest. Not battering, just saying what is wrong with Christianity. Now tell me some thing that is wrong with what Richard is saying about the Church.
Hitler was a roman catholic, thought he was doing gods work and that it was in christianitys interest to wipe out the jews and do what he did. He professed his belief in an almighty creator and assumed he was doing it's will
The nazi slogan was, Gott mit uns. That means god is with us.
So, fuck off with your pathetic attempt to smear atheism by linking it to nazism, you fuckin dumbass
You keep yapping but it's all nonsense. I think its you who needs luck when trying to sound smart or funny next time you soil Youtube with your stupid crap.
Oh you're also a patronising shithead that thinks it can win by using arguments out of selfproclaimed authority.
Only morons like you would come up with that bullshit
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That's quite a claim. I thought the general agreement is that we live in a society where it is the rule of LAW that prevents us from going dog-eat-dog, and reasonably succeeds in that. What does religion or the lack of it have to do with all this? I don't know. If anything, I look at history and see a lot of divisions, power abuses, wars and hatred springing out of dogmatic religios thinking. It is counter-intuitive how the lack of a supernatural belief would turn the world into a jungle.
@frangipanni I agree with you. I think it's the inate 'goodness' or 'decency' in most human beings. I agree with Richard Dawkins re the catholic church and the Pope. I've just finished reading 'A Case of the Pope' by Geoffrey Robertson QC and even though I thought I was well versed with the cc(I was raised catholic) I was shocked and angered. As recently as 2010, Pope Benedict REINFORCED the rule of SILENCE of all concerned in these crimes. The victim has to vow honesty, but the perp isn't!!!
@jazzx251 You are clearly not familiar with that famous saying are you. Just goes to show how narrow your knowledge really is. Dog eat dog is an english saying which means ruthless savage competition, not cannibalism. Good and bad has no concrete definition with atheism
We'd have a lot more laughs without religion - it seems that, as soon as someone turns religious, they get a humour bypass.
On the point itself - why are the most atheistic societies usually the most socially responsible?
Whereas the likes of the USA (a supposedly civilised country), are extremely religious and yet they don't believe in helping poor people get medical care.
@Gurn92 Atheism is just a lack of belief in god. That is it. It in and of itself cannot lead to anything.
Do not confuse atheism with supporting the Theory of Evolution. They are by no means whatsoever the same thing. Plus, even if you said Darwinism leads to a dog eat dog world you'd be wrong.
You're talking about social darwinism, which is an idea with no evidence to back it up, created by idiots and racists, supported by Catholics and directly contradictory to The Theory of Evolution.
@Gurn92 I'll admit I could have worded that bit better but I didn't have enough space in the comment box to. So I'll do it now.
During the time when eugenics and social darwinism were most popular, many prominent Catholics (Such as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Pope Pius XI himself) either supported it directly or turned a blind eye to it for other selfish and disgusting reasons. In The popes case he was just a callous, power hungry man who was apathetic to human suffering.
@OatSharpener Yes, being atheist doesn't necessarily mean you have to support evolutionary theory, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of atheists do and it is a widely accepted theory even among Catholics. This makes me indifferent to the uninteresting points you just made as they make no difference to me whatsoever. And if we are mere animals then what's to stop us acting like them, human beings are inherently selfish after all
@Gurn92 oh god, not this again. .You guys have lost this argument time and time again and yet you people keep bringing it up. Right, firstly, human beings are NOT inherently selfish, Morality evolved in us as it has in animals aswell. Although, our sapience has allowed us to take morality well beyond it's evolutionary roots.
The reason humans are not inherently selfish is the same as why pirahnas and wolves don't eat fellow pack members, because it's not in your interests to be selfish.
@OatSharpener If that's true then why is it a new self centred philosophy is growing in the absence of religion? Examples of this would be the rise in crime for selfish means, the lack of fertility among modern societies shows how in general people are too self centered to start a family, the lust for cheap material pleasures like video games and money, this links to the proven greed of bankers and their bonuses and of course the ridiculous highly selfish mode of thought of postmodernism.
@OatSharpener I have already told you why it is selfish in my previous posts, please at least try to read them. And this philosophy is one of nihilism and postmodernism. Crime in Europe statistics show is on the rise especially in Britain where violent crime is soaring. And those economic reasons benefit the people who are not having kids and gives them more to spend on themselves and adds to their egos, not to mention the massacre of unborn human beings. Concumerism caters for people's greed.
@Gurn92 if you think wanting to be happy and buying things to that end is selfish then you're wrong. It's just wanting to be happy and thats nothing unique to recent times.
Europeans are statistically, the most non religious and secular on the planet and yet their godless governments donate over twice as much money per capita than religious America
Sorry mate, europes crime rates are also the lowest they've been for decades. I'm British and I can tell you what you said is total bull.
@OatSharpener Its wanting to make yourself happy, but there is a fine line to be drawn between pleasure and joy and I believe in today's climate that it is more geared towards pleasure with booze, sex, drugs and video games. I don't think its fair to compare serious religious groups to the crazy evangelical baptists in USA. But while the EU's foreign aid donation is overall more good than bad, it still has interest on it, as if the poor nations weren't suffering enough with debt.
@Gurn92 ah see, now we're getting somewhere. You've used the words, "I Believe". You are stating that it is you'r opinion. If thats your opinion then thats fine, you just have to choose not to live like that yourself. But you have no to interfere with other peoples lives. Just so you know the figures of foriegn aid i was refering to was government (not private donations). Although europe donates far more per capita privately aswell to charity that America, no space, I'll reply again. . .
@OatSharpener lol, yes but what you're saying is also an opinion at least I admit it, I put that in quite deliberately I look at and analyse and interpret the facts
@OatSharpener You tube comment boxes won't let me post the link, I'll PM it to you if you want.
In 2009, crime in Britain overall, was down 7% overall on 2008.
Criminal damage, vandalism, burglery, and car theft were all down over 10%
Robbery down 5% violence against the person down 3% fraud down 9%
Where's this soaring crime rate?
The more open society has become, the more crime rates have dropped. The more open you are about sex and drugs the more addiction and teenage pregnancy falls
@OatSharpener Yes, they tend to show an increase in serious violent crime and sexual crimes. Although burglaries, vandalism, fraud and just general roberies are down, that's what I find.
@Gurn92 Their is no increase in serious violent crime, overall (including petty) violence has risen by 2%, if If you have looked that up I don't know why you'd refer to a 2% rise in petty violence DURING A RECESSION as "soaring" which you did. But Serious violent crime is down best part of 5%. I Really would like you to explain how these figures in any way show an increase in selfishness and if you can show me that I then want evidence to show that selfishness is due to lack of Religion.
@OatSharpener I don't know why the national statistics are put on this pedestal violent crime has been proven to have risen approximately 44% since 1998 by the house of commons library who debunked Labour's crime stats. Reported violent crime is much higher than it was in the 90's
@Gurn92 I'm seriously getting the feeling you just looked that up now after this discussion has prompted you to look at the figures yourself. Actually it wasn't so much the house of commons that put forward that figure but the party in oppostion at the time (March 2010) the Conservative party. Official government figures are always slandered by the opposition.
But, lets the the conservatives are completely right, Now show me lack of religion has caused this so called rise. . . .
@OatSharpener Well I doubt people who commit such crimes are devoutly religious and you accuse me of just looking that up when I've known about that story for a while as I do keep up on current affairs. And you can't say anything as you have been looking up things all through this odd little youtube discussion we've been having. But nevertheless I will stand by what I say and I seriously believe that the Christian faith benefits society, but that's my view make of it what you will.
@Gurn92 My education requires I know about this type of stuff. Not alot about it but I have to keep tabs
This video shows my point for better than I can in a comment box. .
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Atheists are underrepresented in Prison populations, teen pregnancies, STD's and drug addicts per capita and yet massivly over-represented among intellectuals, prominent scientists and even succseful stand up comedians.
to be honest what you're saying is a bit bigoted against non-believers.
@Gurn92 just sayin, the statistics are not even remotly on your side when you make that claim. If it's what you think regardless of evidence put up against you then I would thank you to keep it to yourself. As we all should with our irationalities that we can grasp are wrong on an intellectual level but just can't change that feeling in our gut.
@Gurn92 Let no man dare to wonder that road to hell was paved with the blood of martyrs and good intentions.
Should Christians really dare to prevent the atrocities that permeate the world theater, they must first recognize that delegating the solution to God is the surefire way of enacting inaction.
Understand, atheism isn't about killing gods, it's about tweaking the attentions of the world from the beings who can't possibly need our attention to the people that do.
@OatSharpener But I will say that investigation was carried out by an independent organisation so the conservative party would have had little influence over it. But there are many points I have made in previous posts you have failed to address but nevermind, atheism will spell the end of Europe we clearly have differing views we will have to wait and see what happens in the future. I have nothing else to say on the issue
@Gurn92 When you're discussing politics they're is no such thing as an impartial organisation.
I've tried my best to address all your points, If you want me to address one then by all means PM me and I will. You believe atheism will spell the end of europe, I believe it will elevate us above the rest.
The difference is that I have all the data on my side.
I just wish you would have the grace to admit your faith is faith and not call it evidence when in a discussion with another.
@OatSharpener Hold on there, you believe it will elevate Europe when the birthrates say otherwise with the continual decline in birthrates, ageing population and breakdown of the family unit, it seems that there are many stats to look at and crime stats seem to be vague to say the least. So I would say there is data on my side and if your assertion is correct about politics and influence then we can't truly rely on the national statistics either. And of course I admit it is faith
@OatSharpener Sorry, but I refuse to talk to you anymore after what you just said about family breakdown you insensitive swine, clearly unaware of what it does to people
@Gurn92 kids who are by a homosexual couple of men or women, a single mother or a single father or a "traditional" family or by other relatives than the parents or by a complete non-relation all are raised aswell as each other aslong as they have a loving enviroment to be brought up in with loving carers looking after them..
That's why the "traditional" family unit becoming less common means nothing. It doesn't matter. Also, Atheists, statistically are the least likely to get divorced.
@OatSharpener And you haven't addressed the hard statistical facts that crime in Europe is on the rise, and for your information I too am British and I can tell you what I see reflects the statistical facts that violent crime in the UK is soaring. Unsupported denials on your part, or maybe you live in a very cosy area like hertfordshire
people don't have enough time as they used to, also they no longer need to have 8 kids just to ensure one survives, it's a cultural change and if you wanna say it's motivated by selfishness then back up that claim.
You seem to be riddled with confirmation bias. I bet I could tell you all the statistics proving you wrong, show you all the evidence and as soon as someone cuts you off when your driving you'll just say "SEE! I told you! everyones an arsehole!!"
@OatSharpener Lets face it, society has proven that selfishness is in human's interests for short term cheap pleasures and this is playing out in western democracies today. And with selfishness comes the desire for one to make up their own morality and philosophy to suit their needs and tastes hence my point about postmodernism. So decadence=atheism as people would get enough material pleasure from their own comfortable lives to care about anything else
@Gurn92 How has society proven humans innately put themselves first? You said this in your last comment and when presented with evidence against it you just repeat it.
back up this claim.
and again, Atheism = not believing in the existence of god and nothing else whatsoever.
I'm an atheist and I'm also a philanthropist. go figure.
Also, you can't just make up your own morality. You don't just decide what you think is right or wrong. You don't have conscious control over it like that.
@OatSharpener Excuse me, you are guilty of double standards. I have given examples to back my claim, you have failed to do this. And you can make up your own morality especially in a world where postmodernism rules supreme, it is called subjective morality and philianthropy fits comfortably into that bracket.
@Gurn92 You havn't. I explained how evolutionary morality is completely incongruent with selfishness and shows how people as a whole are inherently altruistic. You simply state what you believe and call it an example as though that somehow makes it evidence.
Subjective morality is not simply people deciding what you think is fun and calling it moral. It's about proper discussion and wieghing of pros and cons and figuring out what the most moral option is. You have to actually do some work.
@Gurn92 Well i am an atheist, and im full of love and compasion. So you dont actually know what your talking about. I can be good all by myself i dont need someone or something watching over me. animals have love and compasion without god or religion
@MrKGatl As I have said it is nothing but sparkling of synapses in the brain, with no realist significance. The only sustainable view other than theism to hold is nihilism.
@MrKGatl "bunch of fairy tales" well if that's what you think then fine. Nihilism is pointless, in fact, it is what atheism really is because the atheism you describe has metaphysical add ons. How you somehow think of atheism as an alternative to nihilism, it's hardly an alternative, you somehow think atheism gives meaning and purpose, it doesn't. Unless you add metaphysics into it. Which you seem to be doing now.
@Gurn92 Life can be beautiful and meaningful without god or religion. That is what atheists like me and most other believe. Nihilism and atheism are not the same thing. Metaphysics is a word that has been hijacked by the religious, but you can call it whatever you like. Research the word. When it comes to questions that science has not been able to answer or is working, im ok with saying that i dont know, what im not ok with saying is that it must be divine, its a leap into absurdity
@MrKGatl Beauty is a subjective and meaningless term in an atheist/materialist worlview, do you not realise the metaphysical implications of your statement when you say 'beautiful.' Religion is an attempt to explore metaphysics perhaps you should read tao te ching, upanishads or indeed the bible with an open mind. I would say you need to refine your knowledge on philosophy, because you insult religious beliefs with unnecessary vitriol not realising that you are using metaphysical terms yourself.
@Gurn92 People were studying the metaphysics before Christianity. You can complain about my insults, but look at your comment. You seem to think that beauty belongs to religions. The arrogance that beauty and meaning dont matter to atheists. This is what turns me against religion, you act like religions have a monopoly on humanity. I dont need to god to know what is beautiful. And since when is atheism and materialistic worldview the same thing. Come on guy, dont be so close minded.
@MrKGatl I cited the Tao Te Ching and the Upanishads in my previous post and that these religious traditions along with many others are explorations of metaphysics. I am not talking about Christianity in particular here I admire the philosophy of many other faiths as well so your first point shows that you haven't read my post properly. And not all religious beliefs refer to God(s). All I'm saying is that you see the need to insult religious faith when you believe in metaphysics as well.
@Gurn92 I never stated that i believe in metaphysics, i was merely pointing out that it is not soley a religious idea. I was just throwing the insults back at you. You seem to think insulting atheism is ok, but the second i turn it around you get all upset
@MrKGatl Well if you reject metaphysics that is fine but if you say morals exist objectively without it then you are comittng the naturalistic fallacy. Unless of course, you have made a ground breaking discovery in philosophy and have found a naturalistic solution to David Hume's 'is ought' problem. I'm just waiting to hear it.
I only picked you up on that point about insults because I was under the impression that you were genuinely accepting metaphysics, but you are not so it's irrelevant.
@Gurn92 I never said that i reject metaphysics, metaphysics is very interesting. Since im an atheists im ok with saying that i just dont know, or dont know yet. I see what your saying about Hume (if you like Hume. read Moore and Prior), but why do have to know where everything comes from? Naturallistic fallacy vs ethical naturalism is a much bigger debate, if thats what your talking about
@MrKGatl Well if you believe in the possibility metaphysics then, there is certainly no need to call theism a bunch of "fairy tales." I'm just saying that it comes across as a bit of a double standard.
@Gurn92 But they are fairy tales. I have no problem with someone following the teachings of jesus, who had great morals for his time. But to believe in virgin births, resurrections, afterlife, etc.. i see as fairy tales. I didnt say that fairy tales couldnt teach, but they arent literal and have no proof of being literal
@MrKGatl I would refer you to the new testament which is a historical account in its own right and also the shroud of turin as evidence to infer such events. The fairy tale pejorative is a rather condescending description based on your overtly empirical epistemology no doubt.
@Gurn92 My degrees are in history so i do have some minor qualifications on this. When talking about the bible it is important to understand that having some historical components does not make it a historical account. For Example, Dan Brown's book Davinci Code. It does have some historical truths in it, but it doesnt make the entire book a historical account. Is the christian take on the story of santa a fairy tale or not? yes, it is. Adults all know that there is no santa
@MrKGatl Comparing God to santa is not what I would call a fair comparison. Santa is not an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being is he, these characteristics do make God anything like santa.
@Gurn92 Santa is not omnipotent " hes gonna find out whos naughty and nice" ? How about this question-- why would the christian god be the right god, why not allah, or krishna? Why would god allow people to follow the wrong god, just because they dont live in a christian area. Like India, why would god damn all those indians?
@MrKGatl The Bible does state that people who have never heard of God, Jesus or who are ignorant of the gospel will be judged fairly with this in mind. See Romans 2:14-16. Although it is worth noting that some Indians (Hindus) believe in Jesus as one of their avatars sent from heaven to Earth. The teachings of Confucius are similar to that of aquinas, and taoism is similar to some teachings in the new testament. This links with Buddha's idea that wisdom is the same before all human minds.
@Gurn92 My personal favorite part of the bible is Leviticus, especially where it says that i can own slaves, as long as they are from neighboring countries(35:44). I think im going to get a mexican, i dont think canadians would do well here in the south. the other day I saw my neighbor wearing cotton and wool, should I smite him like it says in Leviticus 19:19?
Yes the reason we find trends in so many teachings and different religions is that humanity has evolved with intellect
@MrKGatl That's what happens when you don't take the Bible as a whole. The ancient near eastern world was full of "slavery, polygamy, war, pariarchal structures, kingship and ethnocentricism" to quote Paul Copan, for God to come in with new testament laws at that time would have been futile. No, what we see is a moral improvement over time. As for slaves they were given revolutionary rights under mosaic law when compared to their ancient neighbours.
@MrKGatl Injured slaves were also to be granted release in mosaic law in contrast with their ancient counterparts Exodus 21:20-21.
A revolutionary feature of mosaic law is that masters were held legally accountable for treatment of their slaves. So as for the issue of foreign slaves who could be slaves for life the laws of general treatment still applied. It was made clear that foreigners were not inferior or to be mistreated Exodus 29:9. They are to be loved as fellow israelites Leviticus 19:33
@MrKGatl Anyway the only thing that really matters to Christians in the old testament is the 10 commandments, the rest are more like background notes. The 10 commanndments and the teachings of Jesus (new testament) is what really matters to Christians. Lets finish with a quote from John Goldingay "God starts with his people where they are; if they cannot cope with his highest way, he carves out a lower one."
As for your last point you just confirm my point about Buddha's concept of wisdom.
@Gurn92 so, now your saying the old testament doesnt mater to christians? i live in the south, and its a pretty big deal down here still. does that mean you believe in evolution?
@MrKGatl You live in the south, the bible belt I presume, predominantly baptist. Yes, this is a denominational difference protestant denominations typically like to cherry pick hence the constant bible quoting whereas Catholicism tends to take the Bible as a whole. I do believe in evolution, Catholics tend not to have a problem with evolution as Genesis has been interpreted allegorically by the Catholic church since it came into existence. Catholics were not swayed by Darwin.
@MrKGatl I'm not trying to offend protestants here, I am just pointing out that protestantism is where creationism came from, it all kicked off during early and mid 20th century in the US and to a lesser extent Britain but Catholic Europe was not swayed by Darwin's theory of evolution.
@MrKGatl I mean in Britain at the time Paley and his watch analogy was generally accepted, so darwin's theory of evolution was ill recieved in Britain but Catholic Europe was not swayed at all. However the debate did move over to the USA early last century and that is where the real problems with creationism started to set in.
great speech dawkins but please dont put all those whom believe in christ as the same as the rc church ,there are those who do believe in god are real humanists 2
@1penpal2 ever tried ready the god delusion? great book, i read it during my old school RE lessons (catholic school btw. im an atheist and so is all my family, but the school was close) and i loved it. got told off so many times for reading it in class but had grat fun reading it.
Christianity is responsible in part for our art, our architecture, our language, and in its Anglican-Protestant manifestation, our English liberty...God Save the King, God Save Great Britain, and God Save Ulster
Dawkins is a forgettable Zoologist who has made his money peddling smugness and arrogance to impressionable, godless intellectuals. He has contributed nothing to his field of study, and his rudenness, and the delight he obviously takes in riling up his followers reminds me of my childhood in Ulster when Republican and Unionist demagogues would run all through the province emphasizing difference and condemning those who look or believed differently.
@rambammer2000 turdbog's a troll. On other videos on this topic, he has said, 'God bless the Pope', and accused Christopher Hitchens of being punished by god. Elsewhere, he poses as an atheist in order to cast a bad light on secularism.
I am an atheist and god does not exist. I believe in science, reason and biology. Homosexuals do not reproduce and are not required for the evolutionary process. I think homosexuals should be encouraged to take the option of medical euthenasia. God does not love everybody, utter bullshit! Reason and rational thought dictates that only the fittest should survive!
@bondinferno I am able to reproduce and make children so have a purpose. Only the weak and homosexuals are a burden on society that are no longer required.
@turdbogbuster That's your only purpose? I'd say human beings have a lot more to contribute to our society, through art, science and culture. All these things better society, and enrich us, simply making babies does not predispose you to having any greater purpose, homosexuals can be doctors, artists, musicians, scientists, construction workers, all benefiting our society
Gotta love the like bar on all Atheist videos. Gives me hope that maybe not everyone is a total twit.
DngerousRadical 1 month ago
all the little catholis are maoning on the comments page well thats what stupid thick sheep brained idiots do
theblob34 2 months ago
I was baptised as a Roman Catholic but I'd gladly denounce it and accept excommunication. I would gladly let my catholisism stand if the church would accept & acknowledge Adolf Hitler as one of their own and accept responsiblity for his autrosities and the crimes committed by priests against children. Ratzinger the 1st is no different than any other phony pope!
somethingdiffereable 3 months ago
I'm not saying they deserved it, and I have a lot of respect for Jews for not trying to force their religion down my throat, but the simple fact that they were killed for being religious has to be another point for atheism right?
skatejam7 3 months ago
@RareandFriends
Wow, another asshole going offtopic with sexist remarks.
So you have to surpress a lot, i assume
Poor asshole, it must be lonely in the basement
sonykroket 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
Agnostics are chickenshit weasels that need an emergency exit
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket wow you really are a grumpy boy
RareandFriends 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles Believe me he's already been calling me an idiot for my religious beliefs, i just checked on his channel and noticed that he insults people on any video involving Christianity. So now i'm just haunting him to see how mad he gets, because his issues towards religion make me laugh.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles yes, simply annoying. He stopped arguing with me so that's good, horray he gave up!
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
Look whos talking, You keep responding with comments filled with letters.
None of em are smart or funny or anything
Fuckin relidipshit you are
sonykroket 4 months ago
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@RareandFriends
So why are you an uninformed dumbass and how many accounts do you have
Arth thou a superstitious muppet as well?
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket i don't get what you mean by muppet but i sure loved watching them as a kid, kermit was my fav...
Art thou a troll? Thou shall go and taketh a nap you grump.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
Goeth lost and fucketh thyself
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket lol you're silly. You're a silly boy.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
You can keep repeating it all you want.
It only shows what a fuckin dumbass you are that doesnt have a good response
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket I'm teasing you because obviously you are getting way to angry about something that shouldn't be making you angry in the first place. Your responses only show what a f*ckin immature kid you are who should stop getting angry about religion and just do something else! If you want this to stop you best shut up and go do something else.
Responding to my comment will only prove that you are an immature brat who can't handle people having different views on life.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
I dont want anything to stop, i think its you whos looking for a way to weasle out. You keep coming with all the patronizing condescending crap acting like some authoritydipshit
But to me you'll always be the dumbass of the week
Silly projecting fuckspank
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket You've proven my point from my last comment. And you don't want this to stop? Have you really become so intrigued by me that you just don't want to stop talking to me? Listen kid, if you hate religion so much, why do you keep dwelling on movies that are all involved with religion?
I find it funny that you resort to a large amount of cussing to make yourself look superior, while in reality you just look pathetic.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
Im looking at videos from Dawkins and im fuckin allowed to do what i want, comprende dipshit?
Being intrigued by a clown like you is like accidentally stepping on an ant
Im not your kid either, fuckin dumbass
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket i never said you were my kid, but you act like a child by your obvious tantrum. Why can't you act more like your youtube buddy and not explode over someone being a christian. Please, thank you, and have a nice night
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
Who the fuck would my youtube buddy be, cuntface?
Dont you have something else to do than tell me what to do, pompous shitbag?
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket Actually i am doing something in between talking with you, i foster orphaned and sick kittens that no one else wants. And your youtube buddy would be someone named Scotte something? The one with a pic of jesus with a Mr. bean face, he's a very respectable person who's beliefs and arguements are very fascinating to me, and the fact that he just sounds so smart without the use of cuss words is impressive.
On the other hand, you're just a grump. How about a cookie to make you happy?
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
You keep yapping like some wannabe smartass authoritydipshit but you only show what a fuckin douchebag you are.
I thought you were leaving BTW with your have a nice night-shit.
So you're lying Alzheimer-patient, it seems
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket Don't you fucking insult anyone with Alzheimer's...you are stupid enough as it is with your inability to accept others for their beliefs, but making fun of mental conditions is about as low and disgusting as someone can get. That is just so pathetic of you to even say that...OH NOW I GET IT!!! You are just sooo alone that you'd do anything for attention! Poor lil boy...and the only liar i see here is the boy who says "I love God" but goes and calls every christian an idiot.
RareandFriends 4 months ago
@RareandFriends
So you admit you're a lying little bibleclownette, Ms Alzheimer? You said you were leaving but you keep yapping although relimuppets are born liars
Dont try to hide behind people, its you who im making fun off, superstitious hag. I never said i love god, you blind witch, i couldnt care less about stupid shit like that
Its preaching dumbasses like you im after
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket i'll do my best to respect your hatred, and i'll listen to someone I respect and just leave you alone. We both don't need to make enemies of each other, and with that I will say good bye.
Good bye and God bless (even though you don't want his blessing i still have the right and free-speech to bless you) deal with it
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@RareandFriends
It was you who started with the patronising uninformed bullshit, i just responded to it
And i will adress you again if i see you post more crap like that
P.S i dont need your invisible skydaddys blessing
sonykroket 4 months ago
@RareandFriends LIAR
saiyanmage 3 months ago
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@saiyanmage How am i a liar?
RareandFriends 3 months ago
@RareandFriends Yes, you do have the right to say what u want, regardless of religion. And that is no thanks to any religion today, Ill tell you. So please use the rights you have gained by people who fought against doctrines.
unecldolan 1 month ago
@unecldolan I try and use my rights in a way that would make my ancestors proud, but I often fail at that. I just wish that some people could realize that i'm an extremely accepting Christian and i'm actually disliked by quiet a few christians in my community because one of my closest friends is an atheist. We all have the freedom to choose our beliefs, and it's sad to know that i'm the only one around here who knows what free-will is.
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
I reposted it without spelling errors, fuckspank.
Dont get your hopes up, youre still a patronizing dipshit that thinks he can win by going offtopic
So how does it feel to be a douchebag? You must have been bullied at school, i assume?
sonykroket 4 months ago
@sonykroket Spelling errors? Sounds to me like you are a bit rattled. You have spelled PATRONISING in the American or 'spell checker' way, you silly little man. You still haven't outlined YOUR POINT. How can this debate move forward when you cannot string a few little words together to make a valid point of your own. If you are feeling 'patronised' it is purely down to the fact that you are feeling inferior, quite rightly, I have read some of your posts. What is your IQ? is it above 80?
oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscarnoodles
What about the Bermuda triangle, you superstitious muppet?
Other than the fact they named swimming shorts after it and they have nice weather, i cant think of anything that might be worth investigating
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
I dont need your stinking help, relimuppet
I think its you who needs help with your delusional fairytales.
We got prozac for superstitious patronizing dumbasses like you
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
The more you yap, the more it becomes obvious what a reli-schizo you are.
I dont need or want your love, fuckin shitstain
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
Blablabla, you keep yapping but its all bullshit
Face it, you're a superstitious dumbass and im not.
I guess you didnt tell your wife yet about your secret fantasies?
sonykroket 4 months ago
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@oscardoodles
I dont claim to be anything, fuckass
Its just more yap-o-rama you keep posting.
I feel sorry for your wife for having to deal with a dumbass like you
sonykroket 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
Nazism (and neo-nazism) are christian (and supported by christians).
The KKK are christian.
The inquisition was christian.
The crusades were christian.
Apartheid was made by christians.
European colonialism was christian.
The clash in Ireland is christian.
Banning interracial marriage in the west is christian.
Witch hunts are christian.
Calvinists, Evangelicals, Catholics and other christians throughout history are some of the most notorious inhuman breach of human rights
mahender6969 4 months ago
@mahender6969 Nazism, The KKK, The inquisition, The crusades, Apartheid, European colonialism, The clash in Ireland, Witch hunts are all products of Papal Antichrist Caesar Dynasty Rome and its secret military Ignatius Loyola's Jesuit Order. Neither of these entities are "Christian" and neither is paganistic doctrines of man Roman Catholicism.
The R.C. institution is a political power seeking its temporal rule over the globe by using the guise of "christianity".
The crux minus the bullshit.
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
One of humanity''s finest....
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 5 months ago
@oscardoodles He focused on religion because Christians often use hitler as a bad example of atheism, when he was not athiest. Not battering, just saying what is wrong with Christianity. Now tell me some thing that is wrong with what Richard is saying about the Church.
Azwar3 5 months ago
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@oscardoodles An atheist is someone who does not believe in a god. That is all. Hitler believed in a God. He was not atheist.
Azwar3 5 months ago
@oscardoodles
Hitler was a roman catholic, thought he was doing gods work and that it was in christianitys interest to wipe out the jews and do what he did. He professed his belief in an almighty creator and assumed he was doing it's will
The nazi slogan was, Gott mit uns. That means god is with us.
So, fuck off with your pathetic attempt to smear atheism by linking it to nazism, you fuckin dumbass
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
You're full of shit, nitpicking dumbass.
Hitler was a relimuppet, he even says it himself in his shitty book
You're using a No True Scotsman-fallacy, only uninformed dipshits would do that
That means you, fuckass
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
You keep yapping but it's all nonsense. I think its you who needs luck when trying to sound smart or funny next time you soil Youtube with your stupid crap.
Oh you're also a patronising shithead that thinks it can win by using arguments out of selfproclaimed authority.
Only morons like you would come up with that bullshit
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
@oscardoodles
Preaching is not the same as friendly advice, dorkie
So do you have anything funny or smart to report?
If not, STFU then dumbass
sonykroket 4 months ago
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oscardoodles 4 months ago
he's angry :D
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Atheism would lead to a dog eat dog world
Gurn92 1 year ago
That's quite a claim. I thought the general agreement is that we live in a society where it is the rule of LAW that prevents us from going dog-eat-dog, and reasonably succeeds in that. What does religion or the lack of it have to do with all this? I don't know. If anything, I look at history and see a lot of divisions, power abuses, wars and hatred springing out of dogmatic religios thinking. It is counter-intuitive how the lack of a supernatural belief would turn the world into a jungle.
frangipanni 1 year ago 3
@frangipanni I'd say religious conflicts points more towards a human problem than a religious one
Gurn92 1 year ago
@frangipanni I agree with you. I think it's the inate 'goodness' or 'decency' in most human beings. I agree with Richard Dawkins re the catholic church and the Pope. I've just finished reading 'A Case of the Pope' by Geoffrey Robertson QC and even though I thought I was well versed with the cc(I was raised catholic) I was shocked and angered. As recently as 2010, Pope Benedict REINFORCED the rule of SILENCE of all concerned in these crimes. The victim has to vow honesty, but the perp isn't!!!
nannyomi45 10 months ago
@Gurn92
No it wouldn't.
All dogs are non-religious. And funnily enough, not even wolves will eat other dogs.
We're the same. We ALL find the idea of killing and eating other people revolting.
Atheism wouldn't solve all the world's problems.
But nice people would still be nice, bad people would still be bad.
The only difference - those nice people who are bad because of what their Holy book says, wouldn't exist anymore.
It would be a huge religious weight off human soldiers.
jazzx251 1 year ago
@jazzx251 You are clearly not familiar with that famous saying are you. Just goes to show how narrow your knowledge really is. Dog eat dog is an english saying which means ruthless savage competition, not cannibalism. Good and bad has no concrete definition with atheism
Gurn92 1 year ago
@Gurn92
Get a sense of humour.
We'd have a lot more laughs without religion - it seems that, as soon as someone turns religious, they get a humour bypass.
On the point itself - why are the most atheistic societies usually the most socially responsible?
Whereas the likes of the USA (a supposedly civilised country), are extremely religious and yet they don't believe in helping poor people get medical care.
jazzx251 1 year ago
@Gurn92 Atheism is just a lack of belief in god. That is it. It in and of itself cannot lead to anything.
Do not confuse atheism with supporting the Theory of Evolution. They are by no means whatsoever the same thing. Plus, even if you said Darwinism leads to a dog eat dog world you'd be wrong.
You're talking about social darwinism, which is an idea with no evidence to back it up, created by idiots and racists, supported by Catholics and directly contradictory to The Theory of Evolution.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Social darwinism is not supported by Catholics
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 I'll admit I could have worded that bit better but I didn't have enough space in the comment box to. So I'll do it now.
During the time when eugenics and social darwinism were most popular, many prominent Catholics (Such as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Pope Pius XI himself) either supported it directly or turned a blind eye to it for other selfish and disgusting reasons. In The popes case he was just a callous, power hungry man who was apathetic to human suffering.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@Gurn92 Also, I like how you never address any of my other points.
Does that mean you agree with them?
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Yes, being atheist doesn't necessarily mean you have to support evolutionary theory, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of atheists do and it is a widely accepted theory even among Catholics. This makes me indifferent to the uninteresting points you just made as they make no difference to me whatsoever. And if we are mere animals then what's to stop us acting like them, human beings are inherently selfish after all
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 oh god, not this again. .You guys have lost this argument time and time again and yet you people keep bringing it up. Right, firstly, human beings are NOT inherently selfish, Morality evolved in us as it has in animals aswell. Although, our sapience has allowed us to take morality well beyond it's evolutionary roots.
The reason humans are not inherently selfish is the same as why pirahnas and wolves don't eat fellow pack members, because it's not in your interests to be selfish.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener If that's true then why is it a new self centred philosophy is growing in the absence of religion? Examples of this would be the rise in crime for selfish means, the lack of fertility among modern societies shows how in general people are too self centered to start a family, the lust for cheap material pleasures like video games and money, this links to the proven greed of bankers and their bonuses and of course the ridiculous highly selfish mode of thought of postmodernism.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 what new self centred philosophy? Please name this philosphy you are talking about and tell me how it's selfish.
"the rise in crime" you talk about is non existent. Crime rates are the lowest they've been for decades according to the FBI.
People are having fewer or no kids for economic and other reasons. not out of selfishness. Thats a total assumption on your part.
consumerism is not selfishness. It makes people happy and provides jobs for everyone.
bankers aren't everyone.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener I have already told you why it is selfish in my previous posts, please at least try to read them. And this philosophy is one of nihilism and postmodernism. Crime in Europe statistics show is on the rise especially in Britain where violent crime is soaring. And those economic reasons benefit the people who are not having kids and gives them more to spend on themselves and adds to their egos, not to mention the massacre of unborn human beings. Concumerism caters for people's greed.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 if you think wanting to be happy and buying things to that end is selfish then you're wrong. It's just wanting to be happy and thats nothing unique to recent times.
Europeans are statistically, the most non religious and secular on the planet and yet their godless governments donate over twice as much money per capita than religious America
Sorry mate, europes crime rates are also the lowest they've been for decades. I'm British and I can tell you what you said is total bull.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Its wanting to make yourself happy, but there is a fine line to be drawn between pleasure and joy and I believe in today's climate that it is more geared towards pleasure with booze, sex, drugs and video games. I don't think its fair to compare serious religious groups to the crazy evangelical baptists in USA. But while the EU's foreign aid donation is overall more good than bad, it still has interest on it, as if the poor nations weren't suffering enough with debt.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 ah see, now we're getting somewhere. You've used the words, "I Believe". You are stating that it is you'r opinion. If thats your opinion then thats fine, you just have to choose not to live like that yourself. But you have no to interfere with other peoples lives. Just so you know the figures of foriegn aid i was refering to was government (not private donations). Although europe donates far more per capita privately aswell to charity that America, no space, I'll reply again. . .
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener lol, yes but what you're saying is also an opinion at least I admit it, I put that in quite deliberately I look at and analyse and interpret the facts
Gurn92 11 months ago
@OatSharpener You tube comment boxes won't let me post the link, I'll PM it to you if you want.
In 2009, crime in Britain overall, was down 7% overall on 2008.
Criminal damage, vandalism, burglery, and car theft were all down over 10%
Robbery down 5% violence against the person down 3% fraud down 9%
Where's this soaring crime rate?
The more open society has become, the more crime rates have dropped. The more open you are about sex and drugs the more addiction and teenage pregnancy falls
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener where's your analysis and interpretation of the facts then mate?
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener I've just given you my interpretation of the facts in my previous posts
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 well the Home Office statistics say that you're interpretation is completely and utterly wrong mate.
It's your confirmation Bias, get rid of it then we can talk.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Actually on statistics, maybe you ought to look at serious violent crime
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 Violence against the person, Down 3% in 2009 on 2008.
During a recession too, that's pretty damn good considering thats an area of crime expected to rise during tough economic times. . .
I also fail to see how serious violent crime statistics are at all an indicator of how selfish a society is. Could you explain the link please?
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@Gurn92 also can I ask, have you ever looked up the crime rates?
I get the feeling you havn't.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Yes, they tend to show an increase in serious violent crime and sexual crimes. Although burglaries, vandalism, fraud and just general roberies are down, that's what I find.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 Their is no increase in serious violent crime, overall (including petty) violence has risen by 2%, if If you have looked that up I don't know why you'd refer to a 2% rise in petty violence DURING A RECESSION as "soaring" which you did. But Serious violent crime is down best part of 5%. I Really would like you to explain how these figures in any way show an increase in selfishness and if you can show me that I then want evidence to show that selfishness is due to lack of Religion.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener I don't know why the national statistics are put on this pedestal violent crime has been proven to have risen approximately 44% since 1998 by the house of commons library who debunked Labour's crime stats. Reported violent crime is much higher than it was in the 90's
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 I'm seriously getting the feeling you just looked that up now after this discussion has prompted you to look at the figures yourself. Actually it wasn't so much the house of commons that put forward that figure but the party in oppostion at the time (March 2010) the Conservative party. Official government figures are always slandered by the opposition.
But, lets the the conservatives are completely right, Now show me lack of religion has caused this so called rise. . . .
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Well I doubt people who commit such crimes are devoutly religious and you accuse me of just looking that up when I've known about that story for a while as I do keep up on current affairs. And you can't say anything as you have been looking up things all through this odd little youtube discussion we've been having. But nevertheless I will stand by what I say and I seriously believe that the Christian faith benefits society, but that's my view make of it what you will.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 My education requires I know about this type of stuff. Not alot about it but I have to keep tabs
This video shows my point for better than I can in a comment box. .
/watch?v=UxonEdmcRTA
Atheists are underrepresented in Prison populations, teen pregnancies, STD's and drug addicts per capita and yet massivly over-represented among intellectuals, prominent scientists and even succseful stand up comedians.
to be honest what you're saying is a bit bigoted against non-believers.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@Gurn92 just sayin, the statistics are not even remotly on your side when you make that claim. If it's what you think regardless of evidence put up against you then I would thank you to keep it to yourself. As we all should with our irationalities that we can grasp are wrong on an intellectual level but just can't change that feeling in our gut.
I do it with all of mine.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@Gurn92 Let no man dare to wonder that road to hell was paved with the blood of martyrs and good intentions.
Should Christians really dare to prevent the atrocities that permeate the world theater, they must first recognize that delegating the solution to God is the surefire way of enacting inaction.
Understand, atheism isn't about killing gods, it's about tweaking the attentions of the world from the beings who can't possibly need our attention to the people that do.
lateraltwo 9 months ago
@OatSharpener But I will say that investigation was carried out by an independent organisation so the conservative party would have had little influence over it. But there are many points I have made in previous posts you have failed to address but nevermind, atheism will spell the end of Europe we clearly have differing views we will have to wait and see what happens in the future. I have nothing else to say on the issue
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 When you're discussing politics they're is no such thing as an impartial organisation.
I've tried my best to address all your points, If you want me to address one then by all means PM me and I will. You believe atheism will spell the end of europe, I believe it will elevate us above the rest.
The difference is that I have all the data on my side.
I just wish you would have the grace to admit your faith is faith and not call it evidence when in a discussion with another.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Hold on there, you believe it will elevate Europe when the birthrates say otherwise with the continual decline in birthrates, ageing population and breakdown of the family unit, it seems that there are many stats to look at and crime stats seem to be vague to say the least. So I would say there is data on my side and if your assertion is correct about politics and influence then we can't truly rely on the national statistics either. And of course I admit it is faith
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 The european populaton is growing, not shrinking
The ageing population is a problem but an expected and not insurmountable one
The break down of the "traditional" family unit means fuck all whatsoever.
While their is confusion on the crime rates, they do lean towards my side.
Their is no evidence whatsoever of a trend between atheism and rising crime.
also, you've yet to give any evidence whatsoever any of this is due to religion. Seriously, you havn't even given a hypothesis.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Sorry, but I refuse to talk to you anymore after what you just said about family breakdown you insensitive swine, clearly unaware of what it does to people
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 kids who are by a homosexual couple of men or women, a single mother or a single father or a "traditional" family or by other relatives than the parents or by a complete non-relation all are raised aswell as each other aslong as they have a loving enviroment to be brought up in with loving carers looking after them..
That's why the "traditional" family unit becoming less common means nothing. It doesn't matter. Also, Atheists, statistically are the least likely to get divorced.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener And you haven't addressed the hard statistical facts that crime in Europe is on the rise, and for your information I too am British and I can tell you what I see reflects the statistical facts that violent crime in the UK is soaring. Unsupported denials on your part, or maybe you live in a very cosy area like hertfordshire
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 I live in Middlesbrough, so I'm pretty sure from that you can guess what my area is like.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Middlesbrough, you have my sypathies
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 it's a decent place really. Just high crime rates.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
not enough room in one reply,
people don't have enough time as they used to, also they no longer need to have 8 kids just to ensure one survives, it's a cultural change and if you wanna say it's motivated by selfishness then back up that claim.
You seem to be riddled with confirmation bias. I bet I could tell you all the statistics proving you wrong, show you all the evidence and as soon as someone cuts you off when your driving you'll just say "SEE! I told you! everyones an arsehole!!"
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Lets face it, society has proven that selfishness is in human's interests for short term cheap pleasures and this is playing out in western democracies today. And with selfishness comes the desire for one to make up their own morality and philosophy to suit their needs and tastes hence my point about postmodernism. So decadence=atheism as people would get enough material pleasure from their own comfortable lives to care about anything else
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 How has society proven humans innately put themselves first? You said this in your last comment and when presented with evidence against it you just repeat it.
back up this claim.
and again, Atheism = not believing in the existence of god and nothing else whatsoever.
I'm an atheist and I'm also a philanthropist. go figure.
Also, you can't just make up your own morality. You don't just decide what you think is right or wrong. You don't have conscious control over it like that.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@OatSharpener Excuse me, you are guilty of double standards. I have given examples to back my claim, you have failed to do this. And you can make up your own morality especially in a world where postmodernism rules supreme, it is called subjective morality and philianthropy fits comfortably into that bracket.
Gurn92 11 months ago
@Gurn92 You havn't. I explained how evolutionary morality is completely incongruent with selfishness and shows how people as a whole are inherently altruistic. You simply state what you believe and call it an example as though that somehow makes it evidence.
Subjective morality is not simply people deciding what you think is fun and calling it moral. It's about proper discussion and wieghing of pros and cons and figuring out what the most moral option is. You have to actually do some work.
OatSharpener 11 months ago
@Gurn92 not necessarily, atheism might lead to global compasion and love.
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl Compassion and love don't actually exist in an atheist worldview, just spin offs of sparkling synapses, so I don't think so.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 Well i am an atheist, and im full of love and compasion. So you dont actually know what your talking about. I can be good all by myself i dont need someone or something watching over me. animals have love and compasion without god or religion
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl As I have said it is nothing but sparkling of synapses in the brain, with no realist significance. The only sustainable view other than theism to hold is nihilism.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 theism is a bunch of fairy tales and nihilism is pointless, so atheism is the only logical choice.
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl "bunch of fairy tales" well if that's what you think then fine. Nihilism is pointless, in fact, it is what atheism really is because the atheism you describe has metaphysical add ons. How you somehow think of atheism as an alternative to nihilism, it's hardly an alternative, you somehow think atheism gives meaning and purpose, it doesn't. Unless you add metaphysics into it. Which you seem to be doing now.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 Life can be beautiful and meaningful without god or religion. That is what atheists like me and most other believe. Nihilism and atheism are not the same thing. Metaphysics is a word that has been hijacked by the religious, but you can call it whatever you like. Research the word. When it comes to questions that science has not been able to answer or is working, im ok with saying that i dont know, what im not ok with saying is that it must be divine, its a leap into absurdity
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl Beauty is a subjective and meaningless term in an atheist/materialist worlview, do you not realise the metaphysical implications of your statement when you say 'beautiful.' Religion is an attempt to explore metaphysics perhaps you should read tao te ching, upanishads or indeed the bible with an open mind. I would say you need to refine your knowledge on philosophy, because you insult religious beliefs with unnecessary vitriol not realising that you are using metaphysical terms yourself.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 People were studying the metaphysics before Christianity. You can complain about my insults, but look at your comment. You seem to think that beauty belongs to religions. The arrogance that beauty and meaning dont matter to atheists. This is what turns me against religion, you act like religions have a monopoly on humanity. I dont need to god to know what is beautiful. And since when is atheism and materialistic worldview the same thing. Come on guy, dont be so close minded.
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl I cited the Tao Te Ching and the Upanishads in my previous post and that these religious traditions along with many others are explorations of metaphysics. I am not talking about Christianity in particular here I admire the philosophy of many other faiths as well so your first point shows that you haven't read my post properly. And not all religious beliefs refer to God(s). All I'm saying is that you see the need to insult religious faith when you believe in metaphysics as well.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 I never stated that i believe in metaphysics, i was merely pointing out that it is not soley a religious idea. I was just throwing the insults back at you. You seem to think insulting atheism is ok, but the second i turn it around you get all upset
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl Well if you reject metaphysics that is fine but if you say morals exist objectively without it then you are comittng the naturalistic fallacy. Unless of course, you have made a ground breaking discovery in philosophy and have found a naturalistic solution to David Hume's 'is ought' problem. I'm just waiting to hear it.
I only picked you up on that point about insults because I was under the impression that you were genuinely accepting metaphysics, but you are not so it's irrelevant.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 I never said that i reject metaphysics, metaphysics is very interesting. Since im an atheists im ok with saying that i just dont know, or dont know yet. I see what your saying about Hume (if you like Hume. read Moore and Prior), but why do have to know where everything comes from? Naturallistic fallacy vs ethical naturalism is a much bigger debate, if thats what your talking about
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl Well if you believe in the possibility metaphysics then, there is certainly no need to call theism a bunch of "fairy tales." I'm just saying that it comes across as a bit of a double standard.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 But they are fairy tales. I have no problem with someone following the teachings of jesus, who had great morals for his time. But to believe in virgin births, resurrections, afterlife, etc.. i see as fairy tales. I didnt say that fairy tales couldnt teach, but they arent literal and have no proof of being literal
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl I would refer you to the new testament which is a historical account in its own right and also the shroud of turin as evidence to infer such events. The fairy tale pejorative is a rather condescending description based on your overtly empirical epistemology no doubt.
Gurn92 9 months ago
@Gurn92 My degrees are in history so i do have some minor qualifications on this. When talking about the bible it is important to understand that having some historical components does not make it a historical account. For Example, Dan Brown's book Davinci Code. It does have some historical truths in it, but it doesnt make the entire book a historical account. Is the christian take on the story of santa a fairy tale or not? yes, it is. Adults all know that there is no santa
MrKGatl 9 months ago
@MrKGatl Comparing God to santa is not what I would call a fair comparison. Santa is not an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being is he, these characteristics do make God anything like santa.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@Gurn92 Santa is not omnipotent " hes gonna find out whos naughty and nice" ? How about this question-- why would the christian god be the right god, why not allah, or krishna? Why would god allow people to follow the wrong god, just because they dont live in a christian area. Like India, why would god damn all those indians?
MrKGatl 8 months ago
@MrKGatl The Bible does state that people who have never heard of God, Jesus or who are ignorant of the gospel will be judged fairly with this in mind. See Romans 2:14-16. Although it is worth noting that some Indians (Hindus) believe in Jesus as one of their avatars sent from heaven to Earth. The teachings of Confucius are similar to that of aquinas, and taoism is similar to some teachings in the new testament. This links with Buddha's idea that wisdom is the same before all human minds.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@Gurn92 My personal favorite part of the bible is Leviticus, especially where it says that i can own slaves, as long as they are from neighboring countries(35:44). I think im going to get a mexican, i dont think canadians would do well here in the south. the other day I saw my neighbor wearing cotton and wool, should I smite him like it says in Leviticus 19:19?
Yes the reason we find trends in so many teachings and different religions is that humanity has evolved with intellect
MrKGatl 8 months ago
@MrKGatl That's what happens when you don't take the Bible as a whole. The ancient near eastern world was full of "slavery, polygamy, war, pariarchal structures, kingship and ethnocentricism" to quote Paul Copan, for God to come in with new testament laws at that time would have been futile. No, what we see is a moral improvement over time. As for slaves they were given revolutionary rights under mosaic law when compared to their ancient neighbours.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@MrKGatl Mosaic law condemns kidnapping a person to sell as a slave in contrast with its ancient counterparts Exodus 21:16 and Timothy 1:10.
Israel was commanded to allow safe passage to foreign runaway slaves in contrast to its ancient counterparts Deuteronomy 23:15-16.
Debt slaves were to be released unconditionally on the seventh year in contrast to ancient counter parts Leviticus 29:35-43
In fact the overall goal of Deuteronomy 15 was to eradicate debt slavery altogether Deuteronomy 15:4, 11
Gurn92 8 months ago
@MrKGatl Injured slaves were also to be granted release in mosaic law in contrast with their ancient counterparts Exodus 21:20-21.
A revolutionary feature of mosaic law is that masters were held legally accountable for treatment of their slaves. So as for the issue of foreign slaves who could be slaves for life the laws of general treatment still applied. It was made clear that foreigners were not inferior or to be mistreated Exodus 29:9. They are to be loved as fellow israelites Leviticus 19:33
Gurn92 8 months ago
@MrKGatl Anyway the only thing that really matters to Christians in the old testament is the 10 commandments, the rest are more like background notes. The 10 commanndments and the teachings of Jesus (new testament) is what really matters to Christians. Lets finish with a quote from John Goldingay "God starts with his people where they are; if they cannot cope with his highest way, he carves out a lower one."
As for your last point you just confirm my point about Buddha's concept of wisdom.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@Gurn92 so, now your saying the old testament doesnt mater to christians? i live in the south, and its a pretty big deal down here still. does that mean you believe in evolution?
MrKGatl 8 months ago
@MrKGatl You live in the south, the bible belt I presume, predominantly baptist. Yes, this is a denominational difference protestant denominations typically like to cherry pick hence the constant bible quoting whereas Catholicism tends to take the Bible as a whole. I do believe in evolution, Catholics tend not to have a problem with evolution as Genesis has been interpreted allegorically by the Catholic church since it came into existence. Catholics were not swayed by Darwin.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@MrKGatl I'm not trying to offend protestants here, I am just pointing out that protestantism is where creationism came from, it all kicked off during early and mid 20th century in the US and to a lesser extent Britain but Catholic Europe was not swayed by Darwin's theory of evolution.
Gurn92 8 months ago
@Gurn92 What do you mean, Europe was not swayed by Darwin? Most of Europe believes in evolution.
MrKGatl 8 months ago
@MrKGatl I mean in Britain at the time Paley and his watch analogy was generally accepted, so darwin's theory of evolution was ill recieved in Britain but Catholic Europe was not swayed at all. However the debate did move over to the USA early last century and that is where the real problems with creationism started to set in.
Gurn92 8 months ago
u just noticed that dawkins was shaking his hand at 3:10
thank you richard dawkins you are my personal god :P
EmperorDeath641 1 year ago
great speech dawkins but please dont put all those whom believe in christ as the same as the rc church ,there are those who do believe in god are real humanists 2
stuart7034 1 year ago
what a amazing speech. i most admit im very jealous of those who witnessed it.
1penpal2 1 year ago 5
@1penpal2 ever tried ready the god delusion? great book, i read it during my old school RE lessons (catholic school btw. im an atheist and so is all my family, but the school was close) and i loved it. got told off so many times for reading it in class but had grat fun reading it.
MrYamibakura666 4 months ago
Christianity is responsible in part for our art, our architecture, our language, and in its Anglican-Protestant manifestation, our English liberty...God Save the King, God Save Great Britain, and God Save Ulster
powereddrive 1 year ago
Dawkins is a forgettable Zoologist who has made his money peddling smugness and arrogance to impressionable, godless intellectuals. He has contributed nothing to his field of study, and his rudenness, and the delight he obviously takes in riling up his followers reminds me of my childhood in Ulster when Republican and Unionist demagogues would run all through the province emphasizing difference and condemning those who look or believed differently.
powereddrive 1 year ago
Turdbogbuster believes in god lol.
rambammer2000 1 year ago
@rambammer2000 turdbog's a troll. On other videos on this topic, he has said, 'God bless the Pope', and accused Christopher Hitchens of being punished by god. Elsewhere, he poses as an atheist in order to cast a bad light on secularism.
outofthegreenmist 1 year ago
I am an atheist and god does not exist. I believe in science, reason and biology. Homosexuals do not reproduce and are not required for the evolutionary process. I think homosexuals should be encouraged to take the option of medical euthenasia. God does not love everybody, utter bullshit! Reason and rational thought dictates that only the fittest should survive!
turdbogbuster 1 year ago
@turdbogbuster I am an atheist, and You have no heart buddy haha.
Nikrou 1 year ago
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@Nikrou 'heart' what is that fairytale make believe nonsense you talk of? Do you also believe in the faries?
turdbogbuster 1 year ago
@turdbogbuster then according to your viewpoint you're not fit to survive because you revealed yourself as a total and utter jackass
bondinferno 1 year ago
@bondinferno I am able to reproduce and make children so have a purpose. Only the weak and homosexuals are a burden on society that are no longer required.
turdbogbuster 1 year ago
@turdbogbuster That's your only purpose? I'd say human beings have a lot more to contribute to our society, through art, science and culture. All these things better society, and enrich us, simply making babies does not predispose you to having any greater purpose, homosexuals can be doctors, artists, musicians, scientists, construction workers, all benefiting our society
bondinferno 1 year ago