Your ignorance is appalling... What have you actually read on these stones? Because I paused and debunked certain parts of your video. Maybe you should read some of these comments... I read them and found some of the same stuff I was saying.
Don't let the limits of your knowledge base be the limits of your life. Always seek wisdom outside your "box" with open arms...In other words, get a life, you only know what you know because you refuse to go outside your "box" of thoughts and education which you were indoctrinated.....Dare to go beyond and you will be enlightened. Wisdom is gained from knowledge combined with experience, so get off your chair and go see for yourself and make no excuses
tHE CARVING THAT WAS BEEN MADE BY THE FARMERS ARE THE REPLICAS OF THE ORIGINAL ICA STONES.. THE ORIGINAL ICA STONES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE EXPORT SO WHAT THE LOCALS DID THEY MAKE A REPLICA OF THE ORIGINAL ICA STONE.. WHICH I BELIEVE THAT YOU DID'NT KNOW ABOUT IT.
why does it have to be either evolutionists or creationists? Why not a mix and match? Perhaps humans have been here for millions of years and co-existed with dinosaurs, evolving from ancient apes. Or we landed from another world and became "humans", or were created by aliens. WE DON'T *REALLY* KNOW! NEITHER THE CREATIONISTS NOR THE EVOLUTIONISTS HAVE THE WHOLE STORY! And neither do I ;-) It's all fascinating, though.
It isn't really only evolutionists or creationists. It's the evolutionists, the people who have all the evidence, have tested their answers and are fully honest, and everyone else who enjoys lying or simply doesn't understand.
We don't mix and match for the same reason we don't mix pregnancy and child birth and the story of the stork. One is true and one is false.
We may not know every single thing there is to know, but that isn't an excuse to lie to children or just make shit up.
1- The farmer that "made" there thousands of stones only admitted that he "made" them because he could serve life in prison for stealing and selling artifacts.
2- the stones were dated in germany, described to be extremely ancient
3- No trace of Advanced Ancient civilizations? I suggest you read Maxwell Igan's Earth's Forbidden Secrets for free, google it if you wish.
4- They aren't creationist, you just label them creationist because it goes against the established scientific history
Your second point is the only one that mattered. Though I really doubt it is true since from what examinations I have been able to research, the rocks themselves contained no radioactive isotopes to date with, which is why they asked for the actual location where the rocks were found, because at that location an investigation could be done. Of course they won't tell where they found the rocks because, well, its bullshit.
@k87jury second one was the only one that mattered? how about the answer to the second one is in the book i spoke of, that's where i read it. It also contains things about other unexplainable anomalies which challenge the common perception of history. it was not dated with radioactive isotopes, they examined the incisions on the rock. read the part of his book for details, it's not awfully far in the book, lookat table of contents.
also, why did you ignore the other three things i pointed out?
Spanish explorers wrote about the Ica stones back in the 1500's. They have also been radio-luminescent dated to be centuries old. There are some modern ones that have been carved, but they are obvious and don't hold up to what we know genuine ones are. The authentic ones are found in grave sites and caves, the modern ones are not. There is also cloth with dinosaurs that date the stones several hundred years earlier. (Taken from a creationist) Your response?
@FlameGurl06 The facts ma'am just the facts. This whole creationist/believer BS means absolutely ZIP. For now I take these stones just as they are presented. There is not an artist-carver-scientist would not look at these stones with wonder. No one has come forth with an answer as to when they were engraved, where they got the ideas for animals no one 100 years ago knew about except a handful of people. I particularly like the Mahabhrata description of atomic blasts. Sodom & Gommorha got nuked.
Without a shred of empirical evidence you have done nothing but waste oxygen. I didnt see George Washington ascend to the presidency but as many people do, I believe he did. Sometimes we have to use faith and without works, its dead. I dont think for a minute these people carved make believe animals, I believe they carved what they observed. Can you explain the 2,000 year old swords found in Arizona, they also had dinosaurs carved into the blades. Please stop and surrender your life to Jesus.
... We have evidence for the existence of George Washington. Even if we didn't, that would be a discussion about the existence of one person, not an attempt to say the the Flintstones are a documentary. There is already enough evidence against those swords being ancient, especially since the Latin phrases on them are copied wholesale from available books.
But here is the thing. You claim with one hand to need only faith and in the other offer feeble evidence.
Either state upfront that you don't need evidence since you have faith, or actually look at the evidence of EVERY scientific field that exists. I have every field and you have nothing. I enjoy that.It allows me to laugh as you as I dismantle your gay-hating, indoctrinating world.
Your whole little spiel here is bullshit. There aren't any shams or scams in the world which involve 10000 pieces of intricate artwork sitting around in a private museum; you're sitting here lying for Charles Darwin.
Yet you can't produce evidence. All you can do is bitch and whine. Oh well, I'll just sit here with my firm grasp of reality, you can just keep on bitching if it helps calm your simple mind.
In fact, even if somebody HAD done that (produce 60,000 Ica stones on pure speculation) there wold be several villages where EVERYBODY had spent two or three years doing little else but fabricating Ica stones. Interviews with villagers would be easy and professional skeptics like Michael Shirmer would have been all over it and the claims would have been easily debunked. Why hasn't that happened??
Because we have already beaten the crap out of these claims.
1. The ones tested show evidence of being new.
2. They won't bring us to where they were found. Probably because they didn't.
3. You assert with no evidence that all these stones were "found" at once. They were not. They have been "collected" over years, to fool people like you. You don't give a shit about evidence, you have no standards.
Like I said, this would be VERY easy to debunk if it were fake. There would be several entire villages in which nobody ever did anything but carve Ica stones for several years. Where are they? Where do I go on the web for Michael Shirmer's interviews with ten or twenty such villagers??
... Ya. It was easy to debunk. This has already been debunked. And actually all you have to do is google where the farmers admitted to making fakes, and then realize that all this guy has is rocks that he claims to have found but won't reveal where and that the ones tested were shown to be fake. What more do you want. They have no evidence for their claim and anything that could be tested has been and shown that the dino stones are fakes.
They found one guy who "admitted(TM)" to faking one of the things to keep from going to prison for fucking around with and/or selling a piece of national heritage artwork. I mean, if that's the best you clowns can do for debunking something, that's really pitiful. What I "want" is interviews with about 20 - 30 of these villagers who supposedly did all this artwork on pure speculation, why they did it, who put them up to it, how much they got paid etc. etc. etc.
Lets see. The stones that were allowed to be tested were shown to be fake, there is no evidence that any of these stones are what they are claimed to be.
You have no evidence. All you can do is make blind assertions. Hell you assert all the stones would HAVE to be created all at once. You have no evidence so you lie. Keep on lying, I'll just sit make and enjoy not believing in bullshit.
The big problem is the fact that the first group of the things ever to turn up numbered in the tens of thousands, while producing even one of them would require a whole lot of work. NOBODY is going to go to that much trouble on pure speculation (i.e. before determining if honkies or gringos would actually PAY for them. .
Well they are in a creationist museum but there are also other nuts that try to use the stones for there ideas. I dislike creationism because it is bullshit. It has been shown that their claims are false.
I, on the other hand, didn't lie. Show me where I lied. Do it. Bring it on.
What I consider is the evidence, what can be shown and argued for.
@k87jury You have to ask yourself if it is possible that there are things that lay outside of the realm of scientific inquiry. Then you need to EXPERIENCE it first hand. Nothing biblical or religious related, but you need to personally experience something like astral travel and see just how fucking real it is. Or have a family member who has a near death experience accurately tell you what you were talking about in the hospital parking lot while they were dead.
So you are telling me that I shouldn't rely on tangible evidence that can be demonstrated, but I should rely on personal anecdotes. How about no. If something is real, then you should be able to show it is real.
If you have no evidence for it, why do you expect me to believe?
@k87jury Damn...still on my nuts, aye? All I can say to you is to smoke DMT one time. Drink ayahuasca one time. Do this, and then come and tell me that reality is not far stranger than your mind could have ever dreamed. Have an out of body experience, view your body from another perspective....and then ask yourself if you think science or religion have the answers....both sides are wrong, wrong beyond limits that they can even conceive.
@k87jury nobody knew what dinosaurs skin looked like until 1992. they found fossilized dinosaur skin, and the scales were aranged in circle patterns, as on the stones. how would they know what they looked like if no one saw them?
.... So, for the sake of argument, say that some of these stones that can not be shown to not be faked have circles on them. Oh noes, that proves that ALL OF SCIENCE AND HISTORY IS WRONG!!!! Fuck every piece of actual, verifiable evidence, this rock has a circle on it.
*Sigh* Mr. kh7jury, you REALLY haven't gone into this very much, have you son? Sure, there are forgeries, but they're not all forgeries. I suppose you will also say that the sex positions depicted on some of the stones are also fake as you haven't seen them in a smut mag yet, huh? lol idiot
Lets see, there is no evidence that these stones are real, and all physical evidence stands against the position that you are trying to peddle so..... I don't accept your explanation. It is that simple. You see, unlike you, I don't accept annatotal evidence. I don't just accept stories because they already agree with a previously drawn conclusion.
@k87jury Oh dearie me poor boy.Again,you delude yourself.How can you say there is no evidence? There are hundreds, if not thousands of these stones that have been examined for age and the patina is unmistakable & it cannot be replicated in a lab or any other way.And just by the by, the Ica stones are not the only pieces of evidence of man having lived contemporaneously with humans. Irrefutable evidence is found on a global scale. Just look.Seek,and ye shall find. Cheers buddy!& wtf is annatotal?
Actually they haven't been examined for age. That would actually be very stupid since we are not trying to date the rocks but find out when they were carved. The location where they were found has never been shown and when a couple stones were examined, the carvings were found to be relatively fresh.
So your evidence is a rock with a picture on it and mine is all actual scientific evidence to date. Hmmmm I wonder which if better.
The stones have been examined at high magnification. The careing has patima on it in the grooves, proving the images were carved on them very long ago. Beside them are thousands of images made by ancient man around the world of known dinosaur species. You just don't want to accept the evidence. It's not surprising though, since you as an evolutionist must deny all oveidence that refutes evolution because you despise the idea of God and creation. That's a personal problem that changes nothing.
@NephilimFree "Two peasants from Callango, Basilio Uchuya and his wife, Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana, have admitted to carving the stones they sold to Cabrera,"
So who is the one who does not want to accept the evidence? Yep, it is the same middle-aged fool who harasses and hits on young women, acting in a most un-Christian like manner.
Tell your Christian friends about it, Sporty - they're sure to be impressed!
@AlanCFA dude, the reason they admitted to carving the stones was because it is illegal to sell them without getting taxed. the punishment is prison. going to the prison in Peru is like having a death sentence, you don't last long. plus, when they said this in front of the camera, there were two policemen behind the camera, so they did not want to get arrested.
Oh hi person that left tons of comments on my videos and blocked me after I crushed you. Since I, in the past, have already defeated you in civil discussion, I just want to leave you with a message since you will probably end up reading this.
Lets see, Archaeopteryx is real, ida ia real, though it's importance was over blown by the media, Nebraska man never fooled anyone. Those picture were commission by a tabloid the scientist talked to, the people that have told you that the scientific community made those pictures from a tooth lied to you.
And Piltdown man was fake. Of course it wasn't a YEC that discovered this but scientists.
@k87jury Arcaeopteryx is fake, ida was overblown and over-lied about because she's just a lemur. Nebraska man was made from a pig's tooth and as puzzling as that is, not only did they made him but a wife and kid-- from one tooth. It is amazing the amount of lies that gets told us.
1. What is your evidence that Arcaeopteryx was a fake, I have heard no reports.
2. She was not just a lemur, she was a bazal form between lemurs and old world monkeys, if memory serves.
3. A Tabloid made the pictures from a tooth, not scientists. Are you really trying to blame scientists because a newspaper that reported on a story did a piss-poor job. What is next, when you see a tabloid with bat boy are you going to blame the scientific community for that as well?
@k87jury Just some points on archaeopteryx: they found traces of cement, indicating she was made up, the feathers did not match, the museum pulled it from display, the person that discovered it had hstory of forgery.
Ida was a lemur. First of all, she was discovered in 1983(?) +/- , what took them so long to publicize her? Maybe they were doing something they shouldn't? Too early to pinpoint yet, but rest assured scientists will find.
Well that is odd about Archaeopteryx since we have discovered several different fossils, none of which show any signs of forgery. Sadly your grasp of reality is very loose, and while it is possible that some aspects of what you say are true, like A single sample not being real, all you can give me a gibberish.
Ida wasn't a just a lemur. I know how much you enjoy lying to make yourself feel better, but it is not going to work. You see I have these things called facts.
lol... you story about the archaeoptaryx is a complete bullshit. "traces of cement"... lol... you mean traces of the materials that make up cement? lolol
you have traces of industrial aluminium in your body! does it mean you are a "forgery"? lol
There's MILLIONS of fossils waiting analysis in research labs. some fossils take more than 15 years to fully analyse and then publish, in order to reduce the errors of analysis. Ida shares a common ancestor with us, that's the point, retard
@k87jury The tooth turned to family I am not sure how to get across to you---if you don't believe it's fake, I can' help you. There is a batboy??!! lol.
It was faked by a fucking tabloid you dumbass. Not by the scientist who discovered the tooth, or the scientific community. All the scientific community ever heard or said was "Hey I found a tooth, I'll keep digging".
It was the Tabloid that made up those pictures. Can you comprehend. Come on. Work those two brain cells of yours and under stand that the tabloid and scientists are not the same people.
@k87jury Alright Mr. dirtymouth who tries to attack people's intelligence when you can't refute them with facts--- see, this is the reason evolution is being demolished. When you want to have a real discussion like two intelligent people without personal attacks, look me up.
LOL. Right of course. A theory that has a 99.9ish percent support in the scientific community, has been experimentally supported for more then a hundred years, helps combines all the fields of biology, and so on and so forth is being "demolished" because I used a bad word.
Really. I destroy you, completely and utterly and all you can do is cry like a bitch. How about this. You go ta-tel to your mother and I'll stay here, and keep on being right about everything.
Lets see, It is silly how, though they have so many stones, they have never been able to provide the location where they were discovered, almost as if they were lying.
I did provide references. Too bad you are too lazy to look at the bottom bar.
Oh yes. Of course, the amateur nutjob whose foot-prints, even with minor scrunity, fall apart.
Oh so convincing. All of science must really be a lie. LOL
@k87jury Science is constantly changing. Look at how the scientists keep changing the age of the universe.
Science is the search for the truth. You can believe that evidence supports something, but to be so certain of things which are quite loosely supported, or highly debated as there is strong evidence on both sides, is nothing more than blatant preconception.
You're the type who believes what he wants to believe.
You are doing no science, you are attempting to seek comfort in it.
Can you do us a favor and post your quick opinion of how evolution gets around the second law of thermodynamics?
Or how 3 of the planets of our own solar system seem to be immune to conservation of angular momentum.
I think that you assume that everything which can be known is known.
um,
You can turn off the sciencing now everyone, we apparently have it all. Thanks, and don't forget to view all of k87jury's other stellar videos for the truth.
1. The second law says that entropy will happen in a closed system. The earth is an open system since, you know, we have that giant nuclear explosion in the sky known as the sun constantly sending energy to the earth.
2. Kent Hovind pulled that argument out of his ass. Literally. The singularity was not spinning before it expanded. I debunk that in this video here /watch?v=qVXkaIEk_48
Further more, if a planet is spinning one way then is hit by something with enough force, it might cause it to spin the other way. You see, you are too ignorant to even consider examining the things you are taught. You are a good little sheep in the flock, aren't you.
And no, we don't know everything. Unlike you since you think every answer is GODDIDIT!!!!
But just because we don't know everything doesn't make yelling magic a good answer.
If you want to be taken credibly as you pander your evolutionary clap trap at least take a shower and comb your hair. If you want more evidence research acamboro mexicos similar findings or try to explain how all of the pyramids of the earth were built by different cultures yet still worshiped a winged serpent god....
Of course I am a buffoon. I am so stupid, accepting things that have evidence, and not giving credibility to your conspiracy theories. How dare we build up the scientific knowledge of mankind, cure diseases, etc. How dare we.
And Acambaro. Really. HAHAHA. Right. The clay statues that were supposedly thousands of years old but were so freaking new that they still contained water.
Your presupposed world view of Naturalistic Evolution will not allow you to see anything that conflicts with it. The unproven assumptions on which that the theory rests are taken by faith. Therefore, you have a belief system that you reason back to.
Hope you are well. Again, you have not proved they are all fake. There are fakes but there are also genuine stones. You are assuming your conclusion and therefore you are begging the question. Have you watched the video playlist I sent you?
You make false statements here. There are fakes but there are authentic ones. You will not accept the truth because your religion Naturalistic Evolution will not allow you to see the truth.
Why would an "uneducated" farmer go to all the trouble of carving figures of various types of dinosaurs he had never seen into litterally T H O U S A N D S of stones and then bury them?
Actual the place where they were "buried" was never shown. It is just another claim they make without evidence. What the farmer did do was sell the rocks to tourists for more money then he could make farming.
Hey DUMBASS...I think you should do a little more research. just about everything that you said was wrong. watch the show that the history channel did on the ica stones. Then go fuck yourslef!
They did not admit to faking them, again I have a video about this I can send you. He was forced into saying they were fake, PM me and I'll send you a video.
I believe these stones to be factual in everyway. Look at how advanced that civilization was. And if you read a little more about this topic, you'll find that the man who was dicredited and said they were fake, would have gone to prison if he continued to say they were true. I believe this civilization was destroyed by the flood during Noah's years. The Bible says man was wicked and God was grieved he had man them. These poeple lived to 900 years. Imagine how advanced that civilization was!
Ya, they were so advanced that they had modern paint and tools. Not to mention that all the stones that have been allowed for testing have shown evidence of being modern.
Also not to mention that the location the stones were "found" has never been revealed. You have to have faith, which you do. I don't. I can only go where the evidence shows, and none of your assertions fit the evidence.
Actually they've tested them and confirmed they have to be atleast 300 years old, it's a chemical process the pain undergoes. I've got a video somewhere explaining why these stones are genuine, PM me and I send you a link... if you are interested in real science.
The Ica stones are not fake. There are a lot of fake stories around the world, but the Ica stones isn't one. The Ica stones is an encyclopedia of human history. I personally went to Ocucaje to take a look. The place is full of sand dunes with shells on the ground. The ocean is 50 miles away or so. And, sea shells have been discovered hundreds of miles inland. Perhaps the whole area was underwater thousands of years ago. Open your mind a little, nobody knows for sure about the Ica stones. I do.
one more thing, how come evolutionist here in youtube and evolutionist websites afraid to touch this issue? your the only skeptic i know that has made a video about this. and talk origin(the one your reading from i the vid) only have a lousy few sentence to say about it! they have debunked the fake ones made my the farmers but never the ones with patina layers in them. how can a dumb farmer have the knowlege to create patina layers in a short amount of time?
and the dinos are not only in the stones. there are tapastries, poteries and wood carvings that have dinos in them. you cant fake them. its imposible
scientists are affraid to even touch them because it would shatter everything they believe in. thats why you cant find anything about how to debunk the patina layers in talkorigin
''They still contained moisture!'' ..... dude stop making things up
''fucktard conspiracy theorist. '' ..... your just a child. this is how sore losers acts
''They could just bring them to a lab and pay for them to be tested. '' ....... they did but the evolutionary scientist will not accept no matter how much proof (evolution is a religion)
you kept asking for proof where you ur seld havnt shown one
Right, I understand reality and have come to my conclusions based on the evidence. You are a conspiracy nut who will never accept evidence of anything that goes against your deluson.
You are a conspiracy nut who will never accept evidence of anything that goes against your deluson
what evidence?? whats yours??
ive shown you mine. you cant make an accurate wild guess of what the skins look like before the discoveries of the petrifies skins were even discovered. you just cant . if they are fake ....... how????
''Ah, I thought you were talking about the clay statues. Give me your source and I will investigate. '' ......... your the one who claimed the moistures so you prove it to me not the other way round
''Not to mention that what you are suggesting goes against the findings of every branch of science'' .......... really????? go to any archeology websites. these stones have been tested
your the one who is has not shown me proof ........... your only reading from the talking points fron talkorigin
you say this is the weakest proof??? it the exact opposite ......... and you know it after hearing about the patina layers on the real stones
point 4) are saying that these people a millennium have drawn monsters that are dino like with the right skin patterns that are only being discovered recently? wow these people must be the best at guessing
I was pointing out that even if a thousand years ago, these carved a monster on a rock and drew circles on it doesn't mean that they lived with dinosaurs. Tolken wrote about Hobbits, and we found Homo floresiensis in 2003. Does that make the Lords of the Ring true?
but did tolken know the exact details? they are just little person. little people has been used in stories all the time but not dinos drawn in such detail that even surpasses our current discoveries.
the stones were collected since the 60's. the skin in the drawings matched exactly the petrified skin in 1996. how the hell can you guess with that much accuracy? its was also recent when it was discovered that some dinos have stripes in them. these stripes are in some of the carvings
Once again you are indulging in your habit of asserting things without evidence. Not only have you not been able to show that the stones are in fact ancient, but even if they were, drawing a circle or a stripe on a primitive carving does not equal "exact detail".
Drawing a circle does not make a primitive carving "accurate". Drawing a stripe does not make a primitive carving "accurate". You know what might be accurate. Actual evidence.
''Actual evidence''????? uhhh the stones with patina layers (a substance that can only be formed due time), no swirl marks if modern drills were used, no metal flakes under the microscope!!!!!
and yes making carvings of the dino skins before it was even discovered does not 100% prove my point but you have to make the wildest guess(if your faking them) to do so ''accurate'' that matches the petrified skins only found recently
Drawing a circle does not make a primitive carving "accurate". Drawing a stripe does not make a primitive carving "accurate". .......... but if it matches the recent discover then it should prove it
this farmer must be some kind of einstein divinci type of farmer if he were to fake all those stones since the 20's (were in that time i even dought the word dino were ever heard in that region)
how about the patina layers in the groves of the stones? there have been patina layers in the real ica stones(with dinos), no swirl marks if dental tools were used, no metal fragments left in the stones if a metal saw were used(if you look under the microscope)
the fake ones have no patina layers in them, have swirl marks in the carving and it left metal fragments if zoomed in in a microscope
and the real ones were not painted with modern paint, they used tar from tar pits
and your claim about the dinos that are there are supposedly not from the south american continent that are carved i the stone supposedly makes it a fake........... dude, whats your proof in that? fossils?
not all the fossils in SA were found ....... ever thought of that?
did you know there is a law in peru that if you sell or take out any inca artifacts out of the country you go to jail for 3 years? 3 years is like death sentence due to the bad condition. the ones tested and reported that you hear about are all fakes or else the guy who sold them would have been locked in the hell hole.
there are only 4 real ica stone in america (taken with permision) and none of them were tested .......... they refuse to test it. i wonder why?
It wasn't fresh soft tissue. It was essentially fossilized soft material. But it should be mentioned, if dinosaurs existed only a few thousand years ago, we should have found an abundance of actual soft tissue samples where the dna still existed.
Yeah, that's right. They're just a product of primitive people's overactive imaginations. They never could have seen these things. You're an arrogant asshole.
Actually, from all the evidence that has been presented, these were product of farmers that wanted to sell these things to tourists. And ya, actually I am a bit arrogant. I have science and reality on my side and I am debating people whose answer to everything is "God Did It!!!!"
Testing has been done on many of the stone that have been found. fakes have also been provided to be tested along with them. They have been proved. Due to the salt built up, the lichen growing on the stone. On the stones that have been tested and proved there are no markings to show the use of a rotary drill or hack saw blade.
If you are making up an animal then the likely hood that it would very accurate in detail to the real creatures that exist is very improbable.
All the reports of testing I have found on any rock showing dinosaurs has shown them to being recently carved. Could you give me a source? PM it to me if you have to since YT spam filter may hinder you.
Your problem is that you do not want to be truly scientific, you only want to believe what you THINK is right. You should give some evidence but you only say" it could be this, it could be that". Not very scientific at all. In science it is not the best well concocted fairy tale that wins, or is it? Sorry, you'll have to try much harder than that, Get working seriously on some real and UNBIASED explanation or else go and write some B scifi.
LOL... I got directed here by another video as "proof debunking ica stones".. this is pathetic. I thought this was going to be something of value. He provides no references whatsoever. Also, he's oblivious to the obvious: If you find a bone in the dirt, all you know is this: It died. You don't even know where it died, you just know where it ended up getting buried. So to say there are dinosaurs "native" to some area.. that's a ridiculous claim. And that was his most used argument. Waste of time.
this coming from a moron who blocks critics & dodges questions.
Everybody here be ready to PWN this loser
BTW, if you find a bone in dirt, all you know is 'IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP THAT LOOKS LIKE A BONE', you have no proof it's a bone, ever been alive (much less dead).
If there are that many stones showing dinosaurs, and all the ones that have been allowed to be scientifically tested have shown them to be forgeries, what else do you expect me to believe?
I don't have faith, so I can only believe the evidence.
Actually if you look at the rest of the temple, you will find that there are a multitude of pictures of various animals, all of them with "stegosaurus spikes". After you continue to explore, you realize that all of them, including that picture, are normal animals with that particular design added to the background.
Im sure all the caves are fake too that have been dated thousands of year old with dragons painted on them... Then this liberal ass clown says, "even if the drawing are that old" LMAO what a tool.
People make forgeries of legitimate things all the time. Fake money doesn't make yours any less authentic. Fake autographs of famous ballplayers don't fevalue the authentic ones made by the players. Actual stones have been deemed as authentic. I can easily believe human nature lead some poor farmers to try and make a few fakes to pass off on dumb tourists. As for tis clowns argument, well. No comment.
There have been stones with carvings in them. But all the ones with dinosaurs that have ever been examined have been found false. Give us a cave location or a stone that can be verified, or this claim will not be believed. It is that simple.
not saying there real or not but i don't see how you debunked anything, i got my notepad out ready take notes from you so i can look into it more and you given me nothing to research further but (your best guess) no offence to you.. please remake this video give us names, tools anything to look into,if not your just as bad as the guy who don't tell us where the cave is. but besides that,good video keep up the work, just try give us more info that we can look into,thank you.
it seems that Dr. Cabrera refuses to tell where the cave is that these stones come from. Given the lack of other, similar artifacts from other locations and his refusal to cooperate with archaeologists these "artifacts" are highly suspect.
GREAT another YOUTUBE expert on science...you are one of those of many people who know soooo much more than actual experts in the field of science...David Van koevering or John Pendleton ,etc. Last I checked you don't have any books written and your not recommended by any scientists so your opinion of this matter doesn't mean anything
I cannot state my opinion on the stones Because I have not done the research personally. I can however, state my opinion of the reports given by the people that have done the research and have written about it. I do know how to read at least.
I am not sure they are truly able to tell how old the stones are it self, but keep a open mind to the possibilities that E.T could have painted the stones! LOL! also why is it humans always when they think of Extraterrestrials, they think of a monster looking freaks? when they very well look human them self? how else do you think they come here with out being detected?
On the idea of the paint that was being used, the idea of Extraterrestrials comes back in to the theory why it was done in a modern paint substance, why are humans so ignorant to believe that we are the only ones in the universe?
I am not saying that aliens are impossible, I am just saying that when there is a rock that on examination shows that it is fairly new, and made with modern tools and paints, it probably wasn't E.T.
that's why I do not believe that is possible for a uneducated farmer to have such knowledge... it dose not make seance, because if he did do just that, why is he a farmer? and not making millions as a doctor or scientist?? or making movies!??
Your ignorance is appalling... What have you actually read on these stones? Because I paused and debunked certain parts of your video. Maybe you should read some of these comments... I read them and found some of the same stuff I was saying.
GREATGAIWAIN 2 weeks ago
@GREATGAIWAIN
Which parts did you debunk?
Please present.
k87jury 2 weeks ago
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Don't let the limits of your knowledge base be the limits of your life. Always seek wisdom outside your "box" with open arms...In other words, get a life, you only know what you know because you refuse to go outside your "box" of thoughts and education which you were indoctrinated.....Dare to go beyond and you will be enlightened. Wisdom is gained from knowledge combined with experience, so get off your chair and go see for yourself and make no excuses
theinndy 3 weeks ago
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theinndy 3 weeks ago
tHE CARVING THAT WAS BEEN MADE BY THE FARMERS ARE THE REPLICAS OF THE ORIGINAL ICA STONES.. THE ORIGINAL ICA STONES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE EXPORT SO WHAT THE LOCALS DID THEY MAKE A REPLICA OF THE ORIGINAL ICA STONE.. WHICH I BELIEVE THAT YOU DID'NT KNOW ABOUT IT.
VixtorStorm 5 months ago
@VixtorStorm We know about dinosaurs from the fossils. Dinosaurs stopped making fossils 65 million years ago. THINK.
gregrutz 2 weeks ago
why does it have to be either evolutionists or creationists? Why not a mix and match? Perhaps humans have been here for millions of years and co-existed with dinosaurs, evolving from ancient apes. Or we landed from another world and became "humans", or were created by aliens. WE DON'T *REALLY* KNOW! NEITHER THE CREATIONISTS NOR THE EVOLUTIONISTS HAVE THE WHOLE STORY! And neither do I ;-) It's all fascinating, though.
zoevette 6 months ago
@zoevette
It isn't really only evolutionists or creationists. It's the evolutionists, the people who have all the evidence, have tested their answers and are fully honest, and everyone else who enjoys lying or simply doesn't understand.
We don't mix and match for the same reason we don't mix pregnancy and child birth and the story of the stork. One is true and one is false.
We may not know every single thing there is to know, but that isn't an excuse to lie to children or just make shit up.
k87jury 6 months ago
1- The farmer that "made" there thousands of stones only admitted that he "made" them because he could serve life in prison for stealing and selling artifacts.
2- the stones were dated in germany, described to be extremely ancient
3- No trace of Advanced Ancient civilizations? I suggest you read Maxwell Igan's Earth's Forbidden Secrets for free, google it if you wish.
4- They aren't creationist, you just label them creationist because it goes against the established scientific history
Nahasapeemapetilon93 6 months ago
@Nahasapeemapetilon93
Your second point is the only one that mattered. Though I really doubt it is true since from what examinations I have been able to research, the rocks themselves contained no radioactive isotopes to date with, which is why they asked for the actual location where the rocks were found, because at that location an investigation could be done. Of course they won't tell where they found the rocks because, well, its bullshit.
So find me the source for your claim.
k87jury 6 months ago
@k87jury second one was the only one that mattered? how about the answer to the second one is in the book i spoke of, that's where i read it. It also contains things about other unexplainable anomalies which challenge the common perception of history. it was not dated with radioactive isotopes, they examined the incisions on the rock. read the part of his book for details, it's not awfully far in the book, lookat table of contents.
also, why did you ignore the other three things i pointed out?
Nahasapeemapetilon93 6 months ago
Spanish explorers wrote about the Ica stones back in the 1500's. They have also been radio-luminescent dated to be centuries old. There are some modern ones that have been carved, but they are obvious and don't hold up to what we know genuine ones are. The authentic ones are found in grave sites and caves, the modern ones are not. There is also cloth with dinosaurs that date the stones several hundred years earlier. (Taken from a creationist) Your response?
Drunkenprophet23 7 months ago
Why are all anti-creationist butt ugly nerds?
FlameGurl06 9 months ago 10
@FlameGurl06
Why are you a dumb cunt?
k87jury 9 months ago
@FlameGurl06 that's not very nice, how about a rebuttal on the argument instead of attacking his looks
Jellogel 9 months ago
@FlameGurl06 The facts ma'am just the facts. This whole creationist/believer BS means absolutely ZIP. For now I take these stones just as they are presented. There is not an artist-carver-scientist would not look at these stones with wonder. No one has come forth with an answer as to when they were engraved, where they got the ideas for animals no one 100 years ago knew about except a handful of people. I particularly like the Mahabhrata description of atomic blasts. Sodom & Gommorha got nuked.
nor888vast695 9 months ago
Without a shred of empirical evidence you have done nothing but waste oxygen. I didnt see George Washington ascend to the presidency but as many people do, I believe he did. Sometimes we have to use faith and without works, its dead. I dont think for a minute these people carved make believe animals, I believe they carved what they observed. Can you explain the 2,000 year old swords found in Arizona, they also had dinosaurs carved into the blades. Please stop and surrender your life to Jesus.
theologicalscientist 1 year ago 4
@theologicalscientist
... We have evidence for the existence of George Washington. Even if we didn't, that would be a discussion about the existence of one person, not an attempt to say the the Flintstones are a documentary. There is already enough evidence against those swords being ancient, especially since the Latin phrases on them are copied wholesale from available books.
But here is the thing. You claim with one hand to need only faith and in the other offer feeble evidence.
k87jury 1 year ago
@theologicalscientist
Either state upfront that you don't need evidence since you have faith, or actually look at the evidence of EVERY scientific field that exists. I have every field and you have nothing. I enjoy that.It allows me to laugh as you as I dismantle your gay-hating, indoctrinating world.
k87jury 1 year ago 2
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thoostorm4 10 months ago
Your whole little spiel here is bullshit. There aren't any shams or scams in the world which involve 10000 pieces of intricate artwork sitting around in a private museum; you're sitting here lying for Charles Darwin.
icebear1946 1 year ago
@icebear1946
Yet you can't produce evidence. All you can do is bitch and whine. Oh well, I'll just sit here with my firm grasp of reality, you can just keep on bitching if it helps calm your simple mind.
k87jury 1 year ago
In fact, even if somebody HAD done that (produce 60,000 Ica stones on pure speculation) there wold be several villages where EVERYBODY had spent two or three years doing little else but fabricating Ica stones. Interviews with villagers would be easy and professional skeptics like Michael Shirmer would have been all over it and the claims would have been easily debunked. Why hasn't that happened??
icebear1946 1 year ago
@icebear1946
Because we have already beaten the crap out of these claims.
1. The ones tested show evidence of being new.
2. They won't bring us to where they were found. Probably because they didn't.
3. You assert with no evidence that all these stones were "found" at once. They were not. They have been "collected" over years, to fool people like you. You don't give a shit about evidence, you have no standards.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury
Like I said, this would be VERY easy to debunk if it were fake. There would be several entire villages in which nobody ever did anything but carve Ica stones for several years. Where are they? Where do I go on the web for Michael Shirmer's interviews with ten or twenty such villagers??
icebear1946 1 year ago
@icebear1946
... Ya. It was easy to debunk. This has already been debunked. And actually all you have to do is google where the farmers admitted to making fakes, and then realize that all this guy has is rocks that he claims to have found but won't reveal where and that the ones tested were shown to be fake. What more do you want. They have no evidence for their claim and anything that could be tested has been and shown that the dino stones are fakes.
What more could you want?
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury
They found one guy who "admitted(TM)" to faking one of the things to keep from going to prison for fucking around with and/or selling a piece of national heritage artwork. I mean, if that's the best you clowns can do for debunking something, that's really pitiful. What I "want" is interviews with about 20 - 30 of these villagers who supposedly did all this artwork on pure speculation, why they did it, who put them up to it, how much they got paid etc. etc. etc.
icebear1946 1 year ago
@icebear1946
Lets see. The stones that were allowed to be tested were shown to be fake, there is no evidence that any of these stones are what they are claimed to be.
You have no evidence. All you can do is make blind assertions. Hell you assert all the stones would HAVE to be created all at once. You have no evidence so you lie. Keep on lying, I'll just sit make and enjoy not believing in bullshit.
k87jury 1 year ago
The big problem is the fact that the first group of the things ever to turn up numbered in the tens of thousands, while producing even one of them would require a whole lot of work. NOBODY is going to go to that much trouble on pure speculation (i.e. before determining if honkies or gringos would actually PAY for them. .
icebear1946 1 year ago
Who labeled the stones with the tag "creationist"?
Everyday I hear flawed arguments (such as yours) and that of creationists that do nothing but hold humanity back.
People like you have this unhealthy hatred towards anything "creationist" because you associate it with the bible....so you lie
Creationist have an unhealthy fear of anything to the contrary because they associate it with the the bible...so they lie
No one ever considers that our history may be greater than both.
RealityQuestioned 1 year ago
@RealityQuestioned
Well they are in a creationist museum but there are also other nuts that try to use the stones for there ideas. I dislike creationism because it is bullshit. It has been shown that their claims are false.
I, on the other hand, didn't lie. Show me where I lied. Do it. Bring it on.
What I consider is the evidence, what can be shown and argued for.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury You have to ask yourself if it is possible that there are things that lay outside of the realm of scientific inquiry. Then you need to EXPERIENCE it first hand. Nothing biblical or religious related, but you need to personally experience something like astral travel and see just how fucking real it is. Or have a family member who has a near death experience accurately tell you what you were talking about in the hospital parking lot while they were dead.
RealityQuestioned 1 year ago
@RealityQuestioned
So you are telling me that I shouldn't rely on tangible evidence that can be demonstrated, but I should rely on personal anecdotes. How about no. If something is real, then you should be able to show it is real.
If you have no evidence for it, why do you expect me to believe?
k87jury 1 year ago
@RealityQuestioned
Oh and by the way, you claimed I lied, but when I asked for you evidence for that claim, you failed to provide it. Just like all your other claims.
k87jury 6 months ago
@k87jury Damn...still on my nuts, aye? All I can say to you is to smoke DMT one time. Drink ayahuasca one time. Do this, and then come and tell me that reality is not far stranger than your mind could have ever dreamed. Have an out of body experience, view your body from another perspective....and then ask yourself if you think science or religion have the answers....both sides are wrong, wrong beyond limits that they can even conceive.
RealityQuestioned 6 months ago
@k87jury ok buddy, here goes. #1 "no one has ever been brought to the site where stones were found..."
So? they still exist no matter where they were found.
#2. the Spanish conquistadors found some of the stones over 400 years ago, but didnt know what they were.
2021king 1 year ago
@2021king
1. That means they can not provide evidence that they were found instead of made.
2. They found stone with drawings, but not these stones with these drawings.
Have Some FREAKING Skepticism.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury wow. they are not DRAWINGS. they are carvings. no paint involved. think,think,think.
2021king 1 year ago
@k87jury nobody knew what dinosaurs skin looked like until 1992. they found fossilized dinosaur skin, and the scales were aranged in circle patterns, as on the stones. how would they know what they looked like if no one saw them?
2021king 1 year ago
@2021king
.... So, for the sake of argument, say that some of these stones that can not be shown to not be faked have circles on them. Oh noes, that proves that ALL OF SCIENCE AND HISTORY IS WRONG!!!! Fuck every piece of actual, verifiable evidence, this rock has a circle on it.
k87jury 1 year ago
*Sigh* Mr. kh7jury, you REALLY haven't gone into this very much, have you son? Sure, there are forgeries, but they're not all forgeries. I suppose you will also say that the sex positions depicted on some of the stones are also fake as you haven't seen them in a smut mag yet, huh? lol idiot
OuKrokodil 1 year ago
@OuKrokodil
Lets see, there is no evidence that these stones are real, and all physical evidence stands against the position that you are trying to peddle so..... I don't accept your explanation. It is that simple. You see, unlike you, I don't accept annatotal evidence. I don't just accept stories because they already agree with a previously drawn conclusion.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury Oh dearie me poor boy.Again,you delude yourself.How can you say there is no evidence? There are hundreds, if not thousands of these stones that have been examined for age and the patina is unmistakable & it cannot be replicated in a lab or any other way.And just by the by, the Ica stones are not the only pieces of evidence of man having lived contemporaneously with humans. Irrefutable evidence is found on a global scale. Just look.Seek,and ye shall find. Cheers buddy!& wtf is annatotal?
OuKrokodil 1 year ago
@OuKrokodil
Actually they haven't been examined for age. That would actually be very stupid since we are not trying to date the rocks but find out when they were carved. The location where they were found has never been shown and when a couple stones were examined, the carvings were found to be relatively fresh.
So your evidence is a rock with a picture on it and mine is all actual scientific evidence to date. Hmmmm I wonder which if better.
k87jury 1 year ago
The stones have been examined at high magnification. The careing has patima on it in the grooves, proving the images were carved on them very long ago. Beside them are thousands of images made by ancient man around the world of known dinosaur species. You just don't want to accept the evidence. It's not surprising though, since you as an evolutionist must deny all oveidence that refutes evolution because you despise the idea of God and creation. That's a personal problem that changes nothing.
NephilimFree 1 year ago 2
@NephilimFree "Two peasants from Callango, Basilio Uchuya and his wife, Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana, have admitted to carving the stones they sold to Cabrera,"
So who is the one who does not want to accept the evidence? Yep, it is the same middle-aged fool who harasses and hits on young women, acting in a most un-Christian like manner.
Tell your Christian friends about it, Sporty - they're sure to be impressed!
"NF has problem" watch?v=Uhet0b1uTA4
NF - bigger problem: watch?v=RIkuheLiADM
AlanCFA 1 year ago
@AlanCFA dude, the reason they admitted to carving the stones was because it is illegal to sell them without getting taxed. the punishment is prison. going to the prison in Peru is like having a death sentence, you don't last long. plus, when they said this in front of the camera, there were two policemen behind the camera, so they did not want to get arrested.
2021king 1 year ago
@2021king "it is illegal to sell them without getting taxed"
Oh, that's a good one! Just what I need on a Friday night to blow off the stress of a hard week, a good laugh!!
AlanCFA 1 year ago
@NephilimFree You get a job yet, loser?
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@NephilimFree
Oh hi person that left tons of comments on my videos and blocked me after I crushed you. Since I, in the past, have already defeated you in civil discussion, I just want to leave you with a message since you will probably end up reading this.
Fuck Jesus.
Fuck the Holy Spirit.
Fuck your Non-existent God.
We will win.
You will lose.
Freedom and Enlightenment will survive.
k87jury 1 year ago
Maybe you should spend some time debunking archaeopteryx, ida, and some other of evolution's finds like the nebraska man, the piltdown man....
compgrad1 1 year ago
@compgrad1
Lets see, Archaeopteryx is real, ida ia real, though it's importance was over blown by the media, Nebraska man never fooled anyone. Those picture were commission by a tabloid the scientist talked to, the people that have told you that the scientific community made those pictures from a tooth lied to you.
And Piltdown man was fake. Of course it wasn't a YEC that discovered this but scientists.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury Arcaeopteryx is fake, ida was overblown and over-lied about because she's just a lemur. Nebraska man was made from a pig's tooth and as puzzling as that is, not only did they made him but a wife and kid-- from one tooth. It is amazing the amount of lies that gets told us.
compgrad1 1 year ago
@compgrad1
1. What is your evidence that Arcaeopteryx was a fake, I have heard no reports.
2. She was not just a lemur, she was a bazal form between lemurs and old world monkeys, if memory serves.
3. A Tabloid made the pictures from a tooth, not scientists. Are you really trying to blame scientists because a newspaper that reported on a story did a piss-poor job. What is next, when you see a tabloid with bat boy are you going to blame the scientific community for that as well?
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury Just some points on archaeopteryx: they found traces of cement, indicating she was made up, the feathers did not match, the museum pulled it from display, the person that discovered it had hstory of forgery.
Ida was a lemur. First of all, she was discovered in 1983(?) +/- , what took them so long to publicize her? Maybe they were doing something they shouldn't? Too early to pinpoint yet, but rest assured scientists will find.
compgrad1 1 year ago
@compgrad1
Well that is odd about Archaeopteryx since we have discovered several different fossils, none of which show any signs of forgery. Sadly your grasp of reality is very loose, and while it is possible that some aspects of what you say are true, like A single sample not being real, all you can give me a gibberish.
Ida wasn't a just a lemur. I know how much you enjoy lying to make yourself feel better, but it is not going to work. You see I have these things called facts.
k87jury 1 year ago
@compgrad1
lol... you story about the archaeoptaryx is a complete bullshit. "traces of cement"... lol... you mean traces of the materials that make up cement? lolol
you have traces of industrial aluminium in your body! does it mean you are a "forgery"? lol
There's MILLIONS of fossils waiting analysis in research labs. some fossils take more than 15 years to fully analyse and then publish, in order to reduce the errors of analysis. Ida shares a common ancestor with us, that's the point, retard
transtlantic 1 year ago
@k87jury The tooth turned to family I am not sure how to get across to you---if you don't believe it's fake, I can' help you. There is a batboy??!! lol.
compgrad1 1 year ago
@compgrad1
It was faked by a fucking tabloid you dumbass. Not by the scientist who discovered the tooth, or the scientific community. All the scientific community ever heard or said was "Hey I found a tooth, I'll keep digging".
It was the Tabloid that made up those pictures. Can you comprehend. Come on. Work those two brain cells of yours and under stand that the tabloid and scientists are not the same people.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury Alright Mr. dirtymouth who tries to attack people's intelligence when you can't refute them with facts--- see, this is the reason evolution is being demolished. When you want to have a real discussion like two intelligent people without personal attacks, look me up.
compgrad1 1 year ago
@compgrad1
LOL. Right of course. A theory that has a 99.9ish percent support in the scientific community, has been experimentally supported for more then a hundred years, helps combines all the fields of biology, and so on and so forth is being "demolished" because I used a bad word.
Really. I destroy you, completely and utterly and all you can do is cry like a bitch. How about this. You go ta-tel to your mother and I'll stay here, and keep on being right about everything.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury pride cometh before the fall.
2021king 1 year ago
nice mustache
sidthemyth 1 year ago
no one has drawn the boogyman on a rock. What would it look like? im pretty sure they were drawing dinosaurs, i mean its not that hard to tell
packerfan748 1 year ago
HAHAHA, THIS GUY NEEDS TO GET OUT OF HIS BEDROOM AND ENTER INTO THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!
WeAreChangeQC 1 year ago 2
would you mind giving me a reference to the farmers admiting to the foregery? because that would be awsome if you could back up that claim.
Gods0n1 1 year ago
Dude, ummmm, there's like 15,000 of these stones, seems silly that no one has been able to verify them being discovered.
Debunking things requires providing references. We're in the real world here buddy, this isnt Halo.
Have you ever seen the dinosaur track discovered by Alvis Delk?
Seems in line with this.
I think you would do more to further your cause by remaining quiet and NOT making uninformed, lousy videos.
stoneharvester 1 year ago 2
@stoneharvester
Lets see, It is silly how, though they have so many stones, they have never been able to provide the location where they were discovered, almost as if they were lying.
I did provide references. Too bad you are too lazy to look at the bottom bar.
Oh yes. Of course, the amateur nutjob whose foot-prints, even with minor scrunity, fall apart.
Oh so convincing. All of science must really be a lie. LOL
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury Science is constantly changing. Look at how the scientists keep changing the age of the universe.
Science is the search for the truth. You can believe that evidence supports something, but to be so certain of things which are quite loosely supported, or highly debated as there is strong evidence on both sides, is nothing more than blatant preconception.
You're the type who believes what he wants to believe.
You are doing no science, you are attempting to seek comfort in it.
stoneharvester 1 year ago
@stoneharvester
No there isn't strong evidence on both sides, I have evidence. You have claims to magic and conspiracy theories.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury
Can you do us a favor and post your quick opinion of how evolution gets around the second law of thermodynamics?
Or how 3 of the planets of our own solar system seem to be immune to conservation of angular momentum.
I think that you assume that everything which can be known is known.
um,
You can turn off the sciencing now everyone, we apparently have it all. Thanks, and don't forget to view all of k87jury's other stellar videos for the truth.
ppppffffttttt.
stoneharvester 1 year ago
@stoneharvester
Wow, you are bringing on some classics.
1. The second law says that entropy will happen in a closed system. The earth is an open system since, you know, we have that giant nuclear explosion in the sky known as the sun constantly sending energy to the earth.
2. Kent Hovind pulled that argument out of his ass. Literally. The singularity was not spinning before it expanded. I debunk that in this video here /watch?v=qVXkaIEk_48
k87jury 1 year ago
@stoneharvester
Further more, if a planet is spinning one way then is hit by something with enough force, it might cause it to spin the other way. You see, you are too ignorant to even consider examining the things you are taught. You are a good little sheep in the flock, aren't you.
And no, we don't know everything. Unlike you since you think every answer is GODDIDIT!!!!
But just because we don't know everything doesn't make yelling magic a good answer.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury calm down buddy, you couldn't even pronounce the dudes name.
2021king 1 year ago
You are an uninformed ill spoken buffoon...
If you want to be taken credibly as you pander your evolutionary clap trap at least take a shower and comb your hair. If you want more evidence research acamboro mexicos similar findings or try to explain how all of the pyramids of the earth were built by different cultures yet still worshiped a winged serpent god....
Safemoldsolutions 1 year ago
@Safemoldsolutions
Of course I am a buffoon. I am so stupid, accepting things that have evidence, and not giving credibility to your conspiracy theories. How dare we build up the scientific knowledge of mankind, cure diseases, etc. How dare we.
And Acambaro. Really. HAHAHA. Right. The clay statues that were supposedly thousands of years old but were so freaking new that they still contained water.
k87jury 1 year ago
Your presupposed world view of Naturalistic Evolution will not allow you to see anything that conflicts with it. The unproven assumptions on which that the theory rests are taken by faith. Therefore, you have a belief system that you reason back to.
openairevangelism 1 year ago
@openairevangelism
No. I have evidence, and you don't. I have the accumulated knowledge of mankind, you have rocks that were made with modern paints and sand paper.
k87jury 1 year ago
@k87jury
Hope you are well. Again, you have not proved they are all fake. There are fakes but there are also genuine stones. You are assuming your conclusion and therefore you are begging the question. Have you watched the video playlist I sent you?
openairevangelism 1 year ago
@openairevangelism
presupposed world view LOL
You haven't heard, evolution has been proven to have happened.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Hello gregrutz, Do you believe in naturalism (The belief that all that there is is the material universe. Nothing immaterial)?
openairevangelism 1 year ago
@openairevangelism
what do you mean by immaterial.
Show me an example of what you mean.
gregrutz 1 year ago
gregutz, The human soul. Logic, morality, love, etc.
openairevangelism 1 year ago
@openairevangelism
What is a soul? Yes I believe in thought processes, they are material.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz , Ok then show me a law of logic.
openairevangelism 1 year ago
@openairevangelism
wikipedia org/wiki/The Laws of thought
gregrutz 1 year ago
You make false statements here. There are fakes but there are authentic ones. You will not accept the truth because your religion Naturalistic Evolution will not allow you to see the truth.
openaircampaigners 1 year ago
@openaircampaigners
Show me where we have tested a stone with a dino on it and the carving wasn't recent..
k87jury 1 year ago
Why would an "uneducated" farmer go to all the trouble of carving figures of various types of dinosaurs he had never seen into litterally T H O U S A N D S of stones and then bury them?
warpn1ne 2 years ago
Actual the place where they were "buried" was never shown. It is just another claim they make without evidence. What the farmer did do was sell the rocks to tourists for more money then he could make farming.
k87jury 2 years ago
Hey DUMBASS...I think you should do a little more research. just about everything that you said was wrong. watch the show that the history channel did on the ica stones. Then go fuck yourslef!
dunstan5980 2 years ago
Really, so what did they have to offer? The location of the cave? Any actual evidence?
k87jury 2 years ago
They did not admit to faking them, again I have a video about this I can send you. He was forced into saying they were fake, PM me and I'll send you a video.
micah1116 2 years ago
lol u get paid for this
newyorkbushi 2 years ago
I believe these stones to be factual in everyway. Look at how advanced that civilization was. And if you read a little more about this topic, you'll find that the man who was dicredited and said they were fake, would have gone to prison if he continued to say they were true. I believe this civilization was destroyed by the flood during Noah's years. The Bible says man was wicked and God was grieved he had man them. These poeple lived to 900 years. Imagine how advanced that civilization was!
krauseinthehouse 2 years ago
Ya, they were so advanced that they had modern paint and tools. Not to mention that all the stones that have been allowed for testing have shown evidence of being modern.
Also not to mention that the location the stones were "found" has never been revealed. You have to have faith, which you do. I don't. I can only go where the evidence shows, and none of your assertions fit the evidence.
k87jury 2 years ago
Actually they've tested them and confirmed they have to be atleast 300 years old, it's a chemical process the pain undergoes. I've got a video somewhere explaining why these stones are genuine, PM me and I send you a link... if you are interested in real science.
micah1116 2 years ago
The Ica stones are not fake. There are a lot of fake stories around the world, but the Ica stones isn't one. The Ica stones is an encyclopedia of human history. I personally went to Ocucaje to take a look. The place is full of sand dunes with shells on the ground. The ocean is 50 miles away or so. And, sea shells have been discovered hundreds of miles inland. Perhaps the whole area was underwater thousands of years ago. Open your mind a little, nobody knows for sure about the Ica stones. I do.
valaldo 2 years ago
one more thing, how come evolutionist here in youtube and evolutionist websites afraid to touch this issue? your the only skeptic i know that has made a video about this. and talk origin(the one your reading from i the vid) only have a lousy few sentence to say about it! they have debunked the fake ones made my the farmers but never the ones with patina layers in them. how can a dumb farmer have the knowlege to create patina layers in a short amount of time?
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
@emilioTOMASbarca not even harvard-u can make one in a short period of time
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Probably because even AIG won't touch these.
And do you have a source for any Ica stone containing Dinosaurs being examined and not debunked?
k87jury 2 years ago
go to any archeology websites or ask any reputable archeologists. university of madrid people have tested them and the result shows they are old.
aig? get real man
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
and the dinos are not only in the stones. there are tapastries, poteries and wood carvings that have dinos in them. you cant fake them. its imposible
scientists are affraid to even touch them because it would shatter everything they believe in. thats why you cant find anything about how to debunk the patina layers in talkorigin
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Once again, assertion without evidence. Except for the pottery. We tested that. They still contained moisture!
HAHAHA
And we have found the root of the problem. You are an ignorant fucktard conspiracy theorist.
They could just bring them to a lab and pay for them to be tested. And the artifacts that have been tested have been shown to be modern.
Not to mention that what you are suggesting goes against the findings of every branch of science. But since you are a sheep, you don't care.
k87jury 2 years ago
''They still contained moisture!'' ..... dude stop making things up
''fucktard conspiracy theorist. '' ..... your just a child. this is how sore losers acts
''They could just bring them to a lab and pay for them to be tested. '' ....... they did but the evolutionary scientist will not accept no matter how much proof (evolution is a religion)
you kept asking for proof where you ur seld havnt shown one
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
and your the sheep for not even opening your eyes even if the proof are in front of you
HAHAHAHAHA ; )
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Right, I understand reality and have come to my conclusions based on the evidence. You are a conspiracy nut who will never accept evidence of anything that goes against your deluson.
k87jury 2 years ago
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You are a conspiracy nut who will never accept evidence of anything that goes against your deluson
what evidence?? whats yours??
ive shown you mine. you cant make an accurate wild guess of what the skins look like before the discoveries of the petrifies skins were even discovered. you just cant . if they are fake ....... how????
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
where is your proof that the pots have moistures?
none
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Ah, I thought you were talking about the clay statues. Give me your source and I will investigate.
k87jury 2 years ago
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''Ah, I thought you were talking about the clay statues. Give me your source and I will investigate. '' ......... your the one who claimed the moistures so you prove it to me not the other way round
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Bullshit. If you pay for a test, it will be run. Not to mention science is based only on evidence.
And I am not the one who can't accept reality for what it is, and has to make up a world wide conspiracy for why your beliefs can not be verified.
k87jury 2 years ago
''Not to mention that what you are suggesting goes against the findings of every branch of science'' .......... really????? go to any archeology websites. these stones have been tested
your the one who is has not shown me proof ........... your only reading from the talking points fron talkorigin
you say this is the weakest proof??? it the exact opposite ......... and you know it after hearing about the patina layers on the real stones
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
How about ever since you are making the claim, since you are making the claim, instead of me going on a wild goose chase.
k87jury 2 years ago
point 4) are saying that these people a millennium have drawn monsters that are dino like with the right skin patterns that are only being discovered recently? wow these people must be the best at guessing
i better get one of them and gamble in vagas
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
I was pointing out that even if a thousand years ago, these carved a monster on a rock and drew circles on it doesn't mean that they lived with dinosaurs. Tolken wrote about Hobbits, and we found Homo floresiensis in 2003. Does that make the Lords of the Ring true?
k87jury 2 years ago
but did tolken know the exact details? they are just little person. little people has been used in stories all the time but not dinos drawn in such detail that even surpasses our current discoveries.
the stones were collected since the 60's. the skin in the drawings matched exactly the petrified skin in 1996. how the hell can you guess with that much accuracy? its was also recent when it was discovered that some dinos have stripes in them. these stripes are in some of the carvings
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Once again you are indulging in your habit of asserting things without evidence. Not only have you not been able to show that the stones are in fact ancient, but even if they were, drawing a circle or a stripe on a primitive carving does not equal "exact detail".
k87jury 2 years ago
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''Not only have you not been able to show that the stones are in fact ancient''
thats because they refuse to test the real ones (the american scientist)
but
people from university of madrid have tested the rocks ages ago and the result shows that they were over 9000 years old
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
even if they were fakes in the 60s ......... how did they guess the skin pattens so accurate? the skin patterns were only discovered a decade ago
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Drawing a circle does not make a primitive carving "accurate". Drawing a stripe does not make a primitive carving "accurate". You know what might be accurate. Actual evidence.
k87jury 2 years ago
''Actual evidence''????? uhhh the stones with patina layers (a substance that can only be formed due time), no swirl marks if modern drills were used, no metal flakes under the microscope!!!!!
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
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and yes making carvings of the dino skins before it was even discovered does not 100% prove my point but you have to make the wildest guess(if your faking them) to do so ''accurate'' that matches the petrified skins only found recently
Drawing a circle does not make a primitive carving "accurate". Drawing a stripe does not make a primitive carving "accurate". .......... but if it matches the recent discover then it should prove it
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
you can even go to archelology websites ans they do not say they are fake
and my bad ...... it was first collected in 1924 not the 60s
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
this farmer must be some kind of einstein divinci type of farmer if he were to fake all those stones since the 20's (were in that time i even dought the word dino were ever heard in that region)
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
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how about the patina layers in the groves of the stones? there have been patina layers in the real ica stones(with dinos), no swirl marks if dental tools were used, no metal fragments left in the stones if a metal saw were used(if you look under the microscope)
the fake ones have no patina layers in them, have swirl marks in the carving and it left metal fragments if zoomed in in a microscope
and the real ones were not painted with modern paint, they used tar from tar pits
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
@emilioTOMASbarca
and your claim about the dinos that are there are supposedly not from the south american continent that are carved i the stone supposedly makes it a fake........... dude, whats your proof in that? fossils?
not all the fossils in SA were found ....... ever thought of that?
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Ever thought that maybe these things are not fake, instead of all of science being an evil conspiracy.
k87jury 2 years ago
Any source for these claims, because all the ones that have been tested and reported on have shown to be new.
k87jury 2 years ago
did you know there is a law in peru that if you sell or take out any inca artifacts out of the country you go to jail for 3 years? 3 years is like death sentence due to the bad condition. the ones tested and reported that you hear about are all fakes or else the guy who sold them would have been locked in the hell hole.
there are only 4 real ica stone in america (taken with permision) and none of them were tested .......... they refuse to test it. i wonder why?
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
They've founded soft tissue of a dinosaur, which cannot be millions years old
Classicgamesfan89 2 years ago
It wasn't fresh soft tissue. It was essentially fossilized soft material. But it should be mentioned, if dinosaurs existed only a few thousand years ago, we should have found an abundance of actual soft tissue samples where the dna still existed.
We have not.
k87jury 2 years ago
are you saying that soft tissue can stay soft for atleast 65m years?
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Yeah, that's right. They're just a product of primitive people's overactive imaginations. They never could have seen these things. You're an arrogant asshole.
TenderTrap86 2 years ago
Actually, from all the evidence that has been presented, these were product of farmers that wanted to sell these things to tourists. And ya, actually I am a bit arrogant. I have science and reality on my side and I am debating people whose answer to everything is "God Did It!!!!"
k87jury 2 years ago
Testing has been done on many of the stone that have been found. fakes have also been provided to be tested along with them. They have been proved. Due to the salt built up, the lichen growing on the stone. On the stones that have been tested and proved there are no markings to show the use of a rotary drill or hack saw blade.
If you are making up an animal then the likely hood that it would very accurate in detail to the real creatures that exist is very improbable.
alexburn2003 2 years ago
All the reports of testing I have found on any rock showing dinosaurs has shown them to being recently carved. Could you give me a source? PM it to me if you have to since YT spam filter may hinder you.
k87jury 2 years ago
so the oxidized layers were faked by the farmers then?
emilioTOMASbarca 2 years ago
Your problem is that you do not want to be truly scientific, you only want to believe what you THINK is right. You should give some evidence but you only say" it could be this, it could be that". Not very scientific at all. In science it is not the best well concocted fairy tale that wins, or is it? Sorry, you'll have to try much harder than that, Get working seriously on some real and UNBIASED explanation or else go and write some B scifi.
watcherfromtheskies 2 years ago 6
LOL... I got directed here by another video as "proof debunking ica stones".. this is pathetic. I thought this was going to be something of value. He provides no references whatsoever. Also, he's oblivious to the obvious: If you find a bone in the dirt, all you know is this: It died. You don't even know where it died, you just know where it ended up getting buried. So to say there are dinosaurs "native" to some area.. that's a ridiculous claim. And that was his most used argument. Waste of time.
creationliberty 2 years ago
So the links on the side don't count as references.
If a bone has been sealed in rock for millions of years, it probably wasn't moved around a lot.
Actually my most used argument was
1. No one has ever been brought to the location that the stones were found to verify their claims.
2. The ones that have been tested have been shown to be modern in origin.
Yada yada Yada
k87jury 2 years ago
this coming from a moron who blocks critics & dodges questions.
Everybody here be ready to PWN this loser
BTW, if you find a bone in dirt, all you know is 'IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP THAT LOOKS LIKE A BONE', you have no proof it's a bone, ever been alive (much less dead).
funwjoshnjenn 2 years ago
Yes there are only 25,000 stones, amazing how many forges we have trying to prove creationism LMAO..
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
If there are that many stones showing dinosaurs, and all the ones that have been allowed to be scientifically tested have shown them to be forgeries, what else do you expect me to believe?
I don't have faith, so I can only believe the evidence.
k87jury 2 years ago
Im sure this is a fake too..
/watch?v=9tvJRtGRtFc&feature=related
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
Actually if you look at the rest of the temple, you will find that there are a multitude of pictures of various animals, all of them with "stegosaurus spikes". After you continue to explore, you realize that all of them, including that picture, are normal animals with that particular design added to the background.
k87jury 2 years ago
Whatever makes you feel better buddy. Anything to justify the way you want to live your life.
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
Ya, how dare I actually do research instead of blindly accepting any evidence, no matter how obviously false, to hold up my own delusion.
k87jury 2 years ago
Im sure all the caves are fake too that have been dated thousands of year old with dragons painted on them... Then this liberal ass clown says, "even if the drawing are that old" LMAO what a tool.
MG42pillbox 2 years ago
1. The caves have never been dated because they have refused to reveal their location, almost as if they were faking the entire thing.
k87jury 2 years ago
People make forgeries of legitimate things all the time. Fake money doesn't make yours any less authentic. Fake autographs of famous ballplayers don't fevalue the authentic ones made by the players. Actual stones have been deemed as authentic. I can easily believe human nature lead some poor farmers to try and make a few fakes to pass off on dumb tourists. As for tis clowns argument, well. No comment.
bquiet940 2 years ago
There have been stones with carvings in them. But all the ones with dinosaurs that have ever been examined have been found false. Give us a cave location or a stone that can be verified, or this claim will not be believed. It is that simple.
k87jury 2 years ago
There's a Sauropod drawn on the Nazca fields.
joroma77 2 years ago
not saying there real or not but i don't see how you debunked anything, i got my notepad out ready take notes from you so i can look into it more and you given me nothing to research further but (your best guess) no offence to you.. please remake this video give us names, tools anything to look into,if not your just as bad as the guy who don't tell us where the cave is. but besides that,good video keep up the work, just try give us more info that we can look into,thank you.
Vulcanic74 2 years ago 2
Side bar.
k87jury 2 years ago
Thank you i'll check those links out =)
Vulcanic74 2 years ago
it seems that Dr. Cabrera refuses to tell where the cave is that these stones come from. Given the lack of other, similar artifacts from other locations and his refusal to cooperate with archaeologists these "artifacts" are highly suspect.
defexorcist 2 years ago
GREAT another YOUTUBE expert on science...you are one of those of many people who know soooo much more than actual experts in the field of science...David Van koevering or John Pendleton ,etc. Last I checked you don't have any books written and your not recommended by any scientists so your opinion of this matter doesn't mean anything
xcmbnjkjde 2 years ago 2
I cannot state my opinion on the stones Because I have not done the research personally. I can however, state my opinion of the reports given by the people that have done the research and have written about it. I do know how to read at least.
mejc2 2 years ago
AND apparently you all think your right based on YOUR research therefore you all LOVE to operate in ABSOLUTES
xcmbnjkjde 2 years ago
I am not sure they are truly able to tell how old the stones are it self, but keep a open mind to the possibilities that E.T could have painted the stones! LOL! also why is it humans always when they think of Extraterrestrials, they think of a monster looking freaks? when they very well look human them self? how else do you think they come here with out being detected?
EnchantedOneForever 2 years ago
On the idea of the paint that was being used, the idea of Extraterrestrials comes back in to the theory why it was done in a modern paint substance, why are humans so ignorant to believe that we are the only ones in the universe?
EnchantedOneForever 2 years ago
I am not saying that aliens are impossible, I am just saying that when there is a rock that on examination shows that it is fairly new, and made with modern tools and paints, it probably wasn't E.T.
k87jury 2 years ago
that's why I do not believe that is possible for a uneducated farmer to have such knowledge... it dose not make seance, because if he did do just that, why is he a farmer? and not making millions as a doctor or scientist?? or making movies!??
EnchantedOneForever 2 years