I truly enjoy listening to bitonality, I know some people like the 'idea' of it, but I genuinely get pleasure from it. It makes this piece sound joyous and frightening at the same time.
Didn't Stravinsky use in his compositions such as Petrouchka and Rite of Spring techniques of juxtaposing two different major keys or chords to create a totally new sound? Well, it worked for Stravinsky, and I think it works for you!
Also I am reminded of Prokofiev's Sarcasms, with each hand in a different key, if I'm not mistaken.
What do you mean you want to understand the tonality of the different voices? Each voice is in G major. What more do you want to know? If you want to follow the voice-leading then play each voice by itself - or write them out. I can't grasp why playing the hands in a different key helps in any way shape or form. Or is it all meant to be a joke?
@tggold I understand there's more to music theory than the key.. Tell me what you mean by an 'interval relationship thing' and how does playing each hand in a different key help? The reason why I talked about the tonality is because you say in your blurb that you want to see how well you understand the tonality of the different voices.
@yourforte Well, I am not the video creator, so I must assume what he means here. While you can be aware of the key of a piece, it is not a huge amount of information (assuming the piece has a key). As the hands play, there are intervals between them and the tonic (and themselves). For example, a C chord in first inversion would be EGC, in the key of G: 614 (scale degrees) and in relation to itself made of a minor third and a perfect foruth stacked. To play in 2 keys is to know all of this well.
@tggold Yes, I understand about intervals and chord inversions. I still don't understand how playing in two keys makes anything more transparent than it already is. Actually there are a huge number of relations between chords and intervals within a key. They all have music meaning to us - that's what functional harmony is about.
correction, it sounds like two pices o music that have time in common, not melody, at the same time i think two hands doing different melody that has something in common sounds better like two different persons not two diferent 3 years old.
I really, really like this. Unfortunately, this kind of thing might be more difficult on guitar. Perhaps if I play the bass in one key and transpose the accompaniment up a semitone. I dunno. I also really like the Goldberg variations and this is a fairly cool way to hear it. I'm just now getting into atonal stuff. Keep on keeping on.
I am glad that you didn't write "Zappa" as a tag. I like Zappa's abstract music, but I am really struck by how almost any modernist or quasi-modernist music clip on Youtube gets the word "Zappa" slapped on it.
atonal is no tonal center this is bitonal but it is fun to do haha.. u need a lot of time but wat really gets your brain going is bitonal scales at different speed ratios fuunn
it's probably good for training in it can be interesting but if the neighbors heard ya they would probably say to themselves: "this guy cant play".. I liked it when you got past the atonal version ;)
I hear your pedal squeaks a bit - could be your shoes?!? Have you tried playing this NO pedal? I agree that some pedal is beneficial but i also think a really beautifull finger legato is essential hear and that the articulation is given a lot of thought..the pedal is often an enemy to our finger work it can if we are not carefull cover all our subtlety - experiment more.
The squeaking is actually the bench, not the pedal. Since I recorded this, I got a new piano and a better, quieter bench. I have gotten better at using less pedal as I've moved into my 30s, but I could still probably stand to use even less...
Nadia Boulanger I believe used to make her students practice scales this way for similar reasons..Seemed to work for them - I sometimes do to liven things up a bit.
What the hell... :D Cool... But i prefer how it is normally :P
Guitareben 2 weeks ago
Bitonal is not atonal. But I know you know... ;-) I prefer the beginning because it makes me really listening and it doesn't sound bad.
Wandelbart 8 months ago
What's the point of this claptrap?
TheQuale 8 months ago
I truly enjoy listening to bitonality, I know some people like the 'idea' of it, but I genuinely get pleasure from it. It makes this piece sound joyous and frightening at the same time.
woodwardable 10 months ago
Didn't Stravinsky use in his compositions such as Petrouchka and Rite of Spring techniques of juxtaposing two different major keys or chords to create a totally new sound? Well, it worked for Stravinsky, and I think it works for you!
Also I am reminded of Prokofiev's Sarcasms, with each hand in a different key, if I'm not mistaken.
fishwithoutwings 1 year ago
Great job. Don't listen to the haters. You'd make Ives proud.
darthdidious 2 years ago
I've never heard anything so stupid and excruciatingly awful as this. Even if it's meant to be a joke it's singularly unfunny.
logicus1 2 years ago
@logicus1 Ditto @ reading your post.
woodwardable 10 months ago
Should do that with G major and D flat major! xD
Eep... hurts my ear xD
stevtomato 2 years ago
I do this with the famous minuet in G. It's fun.
BachScholar 3 years ago
What do you mean you want to understand the tonality of the different voices? Each voice is in G major. What more do you want to know? If you want to follow the voice-leading then play each voice by itself - or write them out. I can't grasp why playing the hands in a different key helps in any way shape or form. Or is it all meant to be a joke?
yourforte 3 years ago
Each generation of composers tend to break away from the rules set up by its predecessors. It's a great way of expression. =]
XeroNrG 2 years ago
@yourforte It's an interval relationship thing. There's a lot more to music theory than the key =P
tggold 7 months ago
@tggold I understand there's more to music theory than the key.. Tell me what you mean by an 'interval relationship thing' and how does playing each hand in a different key help? The reason why I talked about the tonality is because you say in your blurb that you want to see how well you understand the tonality of the different voices.
yourforte 7 months ago
@yourforte Well, I am not the video creator, so I must assume what he means here. While you can be aware of the key of a piece, it is not a huge amount of information (assuming the piece has a key). As the hands play, there are intervals between them and the tonic (and themselves). For example, a C chord in first inversion would be EGC, in the key of G: 614 (scale degrees) and in relation to itself made of a minor third and a perfect foruth stacked. To play in 2 keys is to know all of this well.
tggold 7 months ago
@tggold Yes, I understand about intervals and chord inversions. I still don't understand how playing in two keys makes anything more transparent than it already is. Actually there are a huge number of relations between chords and intervals within a key. They all have music meaning to us - that's what functional harmony is about.
yourforte 7 months ago
@yourforte Tonality (which is what you say you want to understand is about the key) - the intervals in every major key are the same of course.
yourforte 7 months ago
Les Dawson(ish); but never the same control or technique.
django53 3 years ago
What went wrong at 2:12...???
kpunkt 3 years ago 10
correction, it sounds like two pices o music that have time in common, not melody, at the same time i think two hands doing different melody that has something in common sounds better like two different persons not two diferent 3 years old.
petelebu 3 years ago
i think atonal sounds much better than that.
petelebu 3 years ago
Very funny! Well done!
janmoeyaert1 3 years ago
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
kongerle 3 years ago
The squeaking of the chair (?) is much worse than the bitonality.
klaverfar 3 years ago
Fascinating
MovieMaestro36 3 years ago
AHHHHH, my ears! Thanks for ruining the piece.
adamworth1979 3 years ago
I really, really like this. Unfortunately, this kind of thing might be more difficult on guitar. Perhaps if I play the bass in one key and transpose the accompaniment up a semitone. I dunno. I also really like the Goldberg variations and this is a fairly cool way to hear it. I'm just now getting into atonal stuff. Keep on keeping on.
fuzzfactory 3 years ago
Never heard of "bitonal." Interesting concept.
CodyRicheson 3 years ago
Polytonality is explored lots in modern music (Stravinsky etc.) and it's also used by Strauss (in the Alpine Symphony I think)
Haeronthegreat 3 years ago
I am glad that you didn't write "Zappa" as a tag. I like Zappa's abstract music, but I am really struck by how almost any modernist or quasi-modernist music clip on Youtube gets the word "Zappa" slapped on it.
Bolender 4 years ago
Never even would have crossed my mind.
sparkyfry 4 years ago
Charles Ives's father used to make him do stuff like this to train challenge him. I would find this very difficult to do.
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
Beautiful I actually preferred the bi tonal version. Please do more!
MatthewBearne 4 years ago
but I need the notes T_T
Vandy4506 4 years ago
atonal is no tonal center this is bitonal but it is fun to do haha.. u need a lot of time but wat really gets your brain going is bitonal scales at different speed ratios fuunn
danisnotgay14 4 years ago
Agreed, this is definetly bitonal.
shakinjamaican101 4 years ago
I never actually studied music theory, so I kind of make it up as I go.
sparkyfry 4 years ago
I thought the bitonal version was really cool sounding. I also enjoyed the squeaky bench.
MitchelWeaver 4 years ago
an important note about the possible future in the topic of music.You´re a awake musican with humor. Best Regards
DesTeufels 4 years ago
Oh! Cool!
ixkey 4 years ago
wonderful!
BadTemperedPiano 4 years ago
Genius! My friend frequently does this style of playing when he's at the piano! Fantastic!
molsada 4 years ago
Umm... OK...
slobone 4 years ago
i played it various times but i want give a comment as to its aesthetic value
staticstream 4 years ago
correct: Won't ! :)
staticstream 4 years ago
it's probably good for training in it can be interesting but if the neighbors heard ya they would probably say to themselves: "this guy cant play".. I liked it when you got past the atonal version ;)
rismichael 4 years ago
man... shut up please
korntwist1 4 years ago
hay algunos ignorantes q no se dan cuenta q es música atonal!!! y ponen "wrong notes"..pobrecitos, jamás escucharon a Stravinsky
Levinconstantino 4 years ago
I hear your pedal squeaks a bit - could be your shoes?!? Have you tried playing this NO pedal? I agree that some pedal is beneficial but i also think a really beautifull finger legato is essential hear and that the articulation is given a lot of thought..the pedal is often an enemy to our finger work it can if we are not carefull cover all our subtlety - experiment more.
pianoboyo 4 years ago
The squeaking is actually the bench, not the pedal. Since I recorded this, I got a new piano and a better, quieter bench. I have gotten better at using less pedal as I've moved into my 30s, but I could still probably stand to use even less...
sparkyfry 4 years ago
Nadia Boulanger I believe used to make her students practice scales this way for similar reasons..Seemed to work for them - I sometimes do to liven things up a bit.
pianoboyo 4 years ago
wow, that sounds really interesting!
kpunkt 4 years ago
they go really well side by side i think.
eggory 4 years ago
wrong notes
milol33 5 years ago
HAHAHAHA! Indeed.
sshuck 5 years ago
I feel sick to my stomach.
:)
Ravel87 5 years ago
You know babysitting your darling nieces and nephew is always good boredom relief.
jocelynsmn 5 years ago
An interesting idea, but may I ask why on earth you are bored, when you have 30 incredibe variations before you?!
cardsharp2001 5 years ago
hey thats a really good idea.
adiladil 5 years ago