Arturo Márquez, Danzón no. 2 - conductor Gustavo Dudamel

[hellokittyluva1000]

The trumpets were a litttle overpowering in certain areas for my taste

personally i liked the Simon Bolivar Orchestra's performance more

i got to play this for the texas all-state band :)

[seckkk]

awesome

[pieldelcielo]

Min. 4:37 - 5:17 Sublime!!!

[17iran]

@pieldelcielo From 0:00 to to 10:15 is sublime as well

[demig0d09]

i get to play this for continental league. Awesome

[pieldelcielo]

Antes de Dudamel el Danzón No. 2 de Márquez sólo era conocido en México. Gracias a este excepcional director venezolano el mundo ha conocido esta maravillosa pieza. Desde Berlín hasta Taiwán, Madrid y Los Ángeles. Genial Dudamel!!!

[pieldelcielo]

No sé... Pero creo que los músicos realmente estaban disfrutando lo que interpretaban...

[Caramellatta]

Wow, some people actually applauded at 6:41 . It can also happen in Berlin!

although I prefer the energy of the Simon Bolivar version, I was able to notice many more details and colors in this performance, like how beautiful the oboe part is. It's also interesting that the piano plays with the piccolo solo ( 3:24 ). Marquez writes it that way, but many conductors give the part only to the flute.

[tametataphysika]

@Caramellatta they really applauded! I also couldn't believe it. But it is sort of an "informal concert", isn't it? They probably couldn't "dare" to do this at the Philharmonie :)

[SenileLeopard]

Rico Morales is awesome

[jorgecarrillo2]

The best interpretation ever.

SBYO plays it rushing and sounds not like danzón but like rumba.

[cafecon2]

Mexican composer Arturo Marquez

[bgcalde]

I must say, as always, the Berliner Philarmoniker played the piece to perfection, but I do believe it lack the Latin flavor of the original version of "Danzon No. 2" and the change of rhythm was a bit too modified for my taste . Regardless, it was quite enjoyable and really shows the range of its director, the great, Gustavo Dudamel.

[DerekWilliamsMusic]

Lovely!

[StandSoon]

¿No es chistoso ver a un germano tocando la guacharaca?

[tylarbullion]

Who is the oboist?! Most beautiful tone of any oboist I've heard...

[Pollitowo]

Me gusta mucho la version con la Simon Bolivar pero la perfeccion de la Filarmonica de Berlin es incomparable ,y aun cuando su ritmo no sea del todo natural se nota que los musicos estaban disfrutando el danzon. Impecable. Me quedo con esta version.

[MrWoodful]

but why does the 1st clarinetist has a boehm-system and not a german one? Usually every clarinetist in a german orchestra has got a german clarinet... mysterious xD

[LUISCANDA]

ese señor del clarinete como toca bonitooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooo

[kalpubinc]

javilack, I would argue that one needs both, precision and flow, especially in a piece where the rhythms are African in nature, where "swing" is essential (as Duke Ellington said, It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing). When flow is sacrificed for precision it becomes static, as a Finale software playback. I enjoy Berlin Phil's technical craft, but it doesn't move me to DANCE the DANZON, not exactly what I believe the composer intended. Best regards.

[javilack]

@kalpubinc You can have a rubato feel and still keep the tempo in the score. The solo violinist makes good note on that. What I see the Simon Bolivar youth orchestra is lacking is precicion or perfectoin as other would call. That could be explainned because of the large size of instrumentalist they have.

[kalpubinc]

@javilack Are you accusing maestro Dudamel of not keeping the right tempo in his own orchestra? No matter how large an orchestra, the conductor is ultimately responsible for the tempo; he has the score (do you have it?). I never suggested that Bolivar does not keep tempo. The difference with both orchestras is that Berlin’s approach to tempo is intellectual, cerebral; Bolivar’s approach is spontaneous, more in accord with the spirit of the composition; but they both keep the right tempo.

[javilack]

@kalpubinc I said the Simon Bolivar´s version is not as perfect as the Berlin´s.And from what I read, it would be a question of aesthetics, nothing to discuss there. Besides, I sense some patriotic feelings from your part. I do not accept biased opinions even if both parties seem disguisingly appreciated. I know what I like and as I stated before, the Berlin´s version is better to me. That was my initial statement and your comments were irrelevant and unnecessarily persuasive in nature.

[kalpubinc]

@javilack The only bias I have is that I grew up listening to Danzones and that I know how a Danzon beat is like; as @luismuskier posted in Spanish three weeks ago, "it lacks the feeling, you don't feel the beat." If the beat is not right, the whole piece is not a Danzon, and that's not patriotic, it is only the truth. If you would set aside your own "patriotism" and listen and learn from the people of the region who know their stuff, and you'll be a better musician.

[kalpubinc]

@javilack One more thing, a simple thing like a "guiro" and "clave" beat, very simple but essential in a danzon, are very definite in Bolivar's interpretation; in Berlin's is tentative at best, making this essential element of the Danzon lackng.

[mendezrafa]

@javilack I have a different impression. The "claves" are performed perfectly in both BP and SBYO. The güiro in a danzon is a different history. Commonly, in a danzon, the güiro it is played as an improvisation or ad libitum. For that reason the güiro player need a lot of practice before he can play as it should be. Then, in the BP the güiro is played as you say more exact. Then I agree the BO is more exact. On the other hand the SBYO is larger and it produces a more powerful music.

[kalpubinc]

This message was subsequently removed by javilack, but I'll respond to it since it was emailed to me by youtube.

javilack has replied to your comment on Arturo Márquez, Danzón no. 2 - conductor Gustavo Dudamel:

@kalpubinc I said I enjoy the Berlin philharmonic version because they are more precise and accurate than the Simon Bolivar youth orchestra'' version. The notes are there for a reason and perfection, not a natural flow, should be aimed at all times.

[luismusiker]

Excelente que la Filarmonica de Berlin toque obras Latinoamericanas, que vean que estamos presentes, que hay grandes compositores en America Latina. En mi opinion , a esta interpretacion le hace falta, ese toque propio de la region, no se siente.

[FrankieMuse281]

people were about to clap at 6:40 ... xD

[Davccelion]

La primera vez que escuché esta pieza fue en la entrega de premios Pizarras de Plata de la región de Murcia, España, año 2010. Son premios otorgados a la calidad educativa a centros de enseñanza y profesores.

El director de la banda de jóvenes del conservatorio de Murcia la eligió como pieza de apertura,con gran acierto.

Es un placer volverla a oír (y ver!) de la batuta del mangífico Dudamel.

[aTrOxzz]

es increible ver. que personas que no son de america. ejecuten a arturo marquez entre otros musicos de america tan bien. se les ve fisicamente. la expresion corporal de la berlin es excesivamente maravillosa.

[PhilipLu3]

hmm... I have to go with the Simon Bolivar one, more energy.

[rockexplorer66]

Das ist fantastisch!!!!!!!

[fernandostanlei]

Me encanto

[mabasulto]

Lo mejor desde el Huapango de Mocayo, con un director prodigio latinoamericano y la mejor orquesta del mundo, GRANDES LIGAS ¡¡¡¡¡¡

[alexpetalvarezz]

Woouuuu¡¡¡¡ Sin Palabras¡¡¡ Saludos desde México¡¡¡ 8-)

[panter1993ja]

Una pregunta, en el minuto 6,42 aplaudieron, y si es cierto ¿esta bien?

[mabasulto]

@panter1993ja lo más seguro es que la gente pensó que iba a terminar porque no conoce a fondo la obra. Este director que es un genio, hábilmente manejó el tiempo y la gente se dió cuenta que la obra seguía. Siempre es MUY importante seguir al director hasta que baje por completo los dos brazos o la obra ejecutada se conozca muy bien, saludos

[panter1993ja]

@mabasulto Gracias, no sabia que hasta que baje por completo las manos era la señal de que habia terminado, antes de escuchar algun concierto, primero escuchaba varias veces el repertorio para tratar de no ofender a los musicos, ahora con ese dato podre escuchar los conciertos mejor y, bueno yo pienso que es mejor escuchar por primera vez en concierto la música, gracias.

[javilack]

I like the Berlin Phil version better.

[kalpubinc]

@javilack The Berlin Phil version is a more "technical" version, and the rhythm flows more technically; but the Simon Bolivar Orchestra the rhythm flows naturally, spontaneously; they play an inherent rythm of their region - so to me the Simo Bolivar is enjoyable as well from that stand point. The Berlin Phil brings a different phrasing, even the violin solo, a very classical approach that I also enjoy. They are both equally enjoyable, not one better than the other.

[P3ligrosisimo]

@kalpubinc

Excuseme, but definitely you don't know to much about rythm and music.

Simón Bolívar Youth Orchestra plays this masterpiece better than "Berliner Philarmoniker". That's a remakarble fact.

[Otosalaptabor]

And You know what? It's so interesting to compare the same music with the same conductor but with differents orchestras: this European, "Berliner philharmoniker" performance and when Gustavo Dudamel conducts the Simon Bolivar Orchestra at the Proms Festival.

I cant stop watching and listening.

[kwertmil]

I did the same - so, I know the difference. Better say, I FEEL the difference.

I was also not able to stop listening some time ago)

[tiabutler]

@Otosalaptabor I have to say I like both the SBYO version and this version. You can tell the Berlin Phil musicians are more polished, but the SBYO kids play with such passion and enthusiasm that you just can't stop listening to them. The one part where I can hear a huge difference is the horn section. To me the Berlin Phil musicians were better. But again, that could just be that they are more experienced,

[loydsheryl]

@Otosalaptabor You're right. This is SO interesting! I've listened to the Simon Bolivar Proms performance of this piece many, many times and I LOVE it! But in this Berlin Philharmonic performance, I heard notes/parts I never heard before. It's cleaner. Technically superior. And yet...oh, I do so love the passion of the youth orchestra's performance. They're both wonderful, aren't they? :-)

[locuass]

@Otosalaptabor I completely agree with what you are saying. I definitely felt the difference. In my opinion I like the Simon Bolivar Orchestra performance better. I felt that it was more dramatic.

[Otosalaptabor]

Thanks a lot! I like a lot, good quality.

Great humour, deep feelings, la vita!

[kwertmil]

You're welcome! I share your emotions:)

[mtranda]

@kwertmil - When I first watched this I played it for about two hours in a row, with a huge smile on my face the whole time. And now, playing it again, that same smile is back.