ram pump pt3

[MrDrichey]

Dad, let Sarah run the camera!  LOL

[robot797]

i dont like your second ram pump

the firsth you show is great becaus it is auto starting

[chuckarama451]

It seems you could pipe your water coming from your waste valve, further down the hill, and then run another (smaller) pump from that. Have you ever seen or tried something like that?

[Illiumina]

can one put a ram pump down flow from a harris pelton hydro turbine and pump the water back into a holding tank than down to the hydro turbine again and on and on.

[eriknunez192]

Hey...I apreciste the time you take to show us some simple but amazing machines... i just wantes to make a question to you...I built my ram pump already but i cant get it to continously pump...once I open the out valve the pumping just stops..even if I dot it slowly..and I have a hard time to make it start pumping

[heeeersjohnny]

woops guess I should have looked at part one first!

[heeeersjohnny]

Just came along your video that is really cool, One simple question though is what are you pumping the water for? I understand it will pump it higher than the source but seems like a lot of work to pump it out of a tree. I did here you mention you were going to pump it up to the house, just curious for what?

[nmotiontravelguide]

Kinda sounds tranquil. I really want to make a few.

[scdefion]

can you reclaim or re-circulate the water from the impetus valve ? And what would be a good method or doing so ?

[johnnytheprick]

@scdefion

are you trying to build a perpetual motion machine?

[scdefion]

@johnnytheprick No , I am trying not to waste water .

[johnnytheprick]

@scdefion

id hardly call water returning to earth "waste".

[scdefion]

@johnnytheprick Glad to hear what you'd hardly call it. I am thinking about not seeing it seep back into the ground or evaporating and having to expend time or energy pumping it twice.

[johnnytheprick]

@johnnytheprick

i liked you better when i thought you were thinking of building a perpetual motion machine.

[zaapzones]

Is there a way to install the Ram system in A wide enough well ?

[hornerm5]

If you have to take unit unpart later, how do you turn off? I would put the turn off valves outside of universal joins, not inside.

[engineer775]

@hornerm5 You are correct however, I have other shutoff valves on the drive pipe upstream. I have it this way so I can swap out my 4 different sized pumps. 3/4", 1" 1 1/4", 2" so the valves on the inside become my operational valves. The more valves the better! I have built and tested pumps for other people so this is why I did it this way.

[patterncuber11]

@engineer775 will the ram pump work when i use the spring check valve

[InTheSticks0001]

Far away from

any other form of civilization, the hikers were surprised

to come to an otherwise pristine spot where they heard

a muffled “ka-chunk ka-chunk ka-chunk....” Taken by

surprise, they were unable to discover the source of

the mechanical noise until they dug down several

inches through the forest humus finding a rotten board

covering a hollow box. The box contained an old ram

pump that had been operating on its own, unattended

for as long as it took the box cover to become buried

[InTheSticks0001]

@InTheSticks0001 The prior post is a quote from an article, Things that Work! The Folk Ram Pump. Been reading up on Ram Pumps. I now better understand your interest in these things. Got the bug and the bug is bad... these things are intriguing contraptions. Built my first ram pump, 1" for use on a spring. Expected consumption, 2-3 gpm with a maximum expected output of .75gpm or 1,080 gpd, more than enough for a home. Unfortunately it failed the first test run using a garden hose as a supply.

[MrElektrikman]

THANKS a lot! that's really nice Engineer; God Bless you for sharing this to the world. I gone across your video and presto! I got it almost complete. I'm planning to apply it in my father-in-law planting field where there is a water spring well just on the ground level, planning to install the ram pump down the river side.

[lucabadue]

my waste valve is not opening and closing as it should happen. it just closes out after a bit of water and nothing else happens. And if you pushes the valve with your finger it opens and closes again.

[engineer775]

@lucabadue Sometimes it takes 10-30 times to get the delivery pipe back pressure to get high enough to cause the rebound needed. They can be frustrating until you get a hang of it. If you send me a video of your setup I might be able to help you get it running.

[bknees2]

Great videos! Couple questions. I saw the pressure vessel increased in length/height from about 12 inches to 24 inches from pt 2 to pt 3. Any gauge on how big to make them? Second question: Is there any adjustments to the 1 1/4 common hardware ram pump to increase/decrease flow like the weight on the Rife pump?

[engineer775]

@bknees2 The pressure vessel of 12" was one I had for a 3/4" ram and the 24 inch was for the 1 1/4" ram.

As to the adjustment - 2 points- when using a swing check valve the entire valve can be rotated in such a way as it takes more force to close the flapper. the other point when using a spring check valve you can just add weights to meet your desired elevation of delivery. I hope that made sense. I add nuts and washers to my spring check valves to get them to lift or 100' in elevation.

[baldilocks23]

I just ran across your videos. It's answered 99% of my questions. Outstanding! Thank you. I would like to have one drive line and one supply line with 4 or 5 rams running. Would this be possible? I could build one multi-tee on the drive side, in front of the rams, and the same on the supply side.

[engineer775]

@baldilocks23 Sorry won't work. you need a drive pipe for each ram. you can have one common delivery but not a common drive. The rebounding effect on the drive side of multiple rams cannot be coordinated and therefore the pressure spikes you need when you need them are interfered with by the operation of the other rams. Again - muiltple drives - common delivery. Great question and yes I have tried it myself. Didn't work.

[ngneer999]

Why doesn't the waste check valve stay closed? At 14 feet of head I would think that would be plenty to hold it shut.

[engineer775]

@ngneer999 It is enough to keep it closed but the rebound casues a pressure drop under the valve causing it to fall during operation.

[patterncuber11]

@engineer775 will these pumps work with all of the ways the run water

[mir09333]

@engineer775 i have a problem, mine it stay closed, i made the same ram pump but with PVC cause its a project.

[tekknorat]

So this basically works only where you can get some watter running from high to low ground. Is there some flat surface solutions?

Very nice video, man, beautiful place also.

[RoflmaoAtSheepeople]

looks like you just put it to gether Im about to try it my self nice to have a backup!

[bearing01]

very cool. I watched all parts and I like it. Thanks. /John

[poormanprepper]

so cool on so many levels.

[axishans]

well pumps? Awesome!!!!

[uncleben03]

Is there any way to build these where it doesn't have water spraying out on every pump?

[goat20101]

these are good videos i need to start over and take detailed notes... what do you do about cold weather and freezing pipes?

[OBXSOLWIND]

Thanks for sharing. I see you have iron in your water. Iron is great for us but hard on equipment. Great vid.

[tracycolorado]

Good Job Sara , Moral Support !

[mnthunter88]

When it turns bitter cold will the ice build up so much at the splash out valve that it will shut it down?.....Or is it something that you have to maintain from building up?.....

[ironhead41]

are you planning on building an insulated pump house over them?....keep from freezing and could muffle the sound....great vid

[InTheSticks0001]

:O)

[survivalweb]

Would be interested in the piston pump ram wont work for me.

[engineer775]

@0amaam I am not really loosing the water, I am using the water that naturally flows down stream anyway. I also pump the water to a tank and when it is full the overflow returns back to the pond. I am into conserving my water and when it is dry I will only use one pump and crank it down the minimum output to water the cows and chickens.

[jasonmushersee]

Two questions. Did you have to get a permit? Is this water source registered with the county?

[engineer775]

@jasonmushersee Yes, you have to get a permit for the pond and yes the soil conservation folks know about the rams. It is a shame that everything is so regulated! 

[biguy525]

Lucky that you live where you do, Because in NY if you dammed up a stream to make a pond you would be in jail with all kinds of fines. In order to do something like that you would have to have filed for about a dozen different permits.And after that MAYBE you would get to do what you wanted to do.Nice video full of good info.

[engineer775]

@biguy525 That is why I moved out of NY! : ) Thanks for checking out the video!

[MarinePrepper]

thank you much appreciated im gathering parts now, look forward to letting you see you are a good teacher :)

[engineer775]

@MarinePrepper Thanks! I am so glad that you are going for it! If you have an questions along the way don't hesitate.

[mylabsam]

Vary nice

[ndcent4u]

I thought you covered it before so I'll go back and look but wondering why you went from plastic to metal and then back to plastic, why you didn't use plastic all the way. Seems like it would have been quieter too, if you didn't want others to know you had it running.

Can't wait until you do the homemade deep well pump series. I'm wanting to put one down inside the casing with my deepwell pump.

[engineer775]

@ndcent4u As I said in the overview, the metal pipe performs better than PVC. You are right that it is quieter. They are down in a valley so the noise doesn't carry far. You can't hear them from any of my neighbors properties or from the road. You would have to be walking through the woods and stumble across them. It will be about a month before I can do the well series.

[SaltyOldDawg]

Very cool man!!! I was curious if you planned on leaving those pipes exposed or not. Reason I ask is in the event of a WROL situation that "ping" sound may invite unwanted guests. Or....would you have anything against running all poly pipe like the black sprinkler pipe only larger? Nice job! Love the video! :o)

[engineer775]

@SaltyOldDawg I will be burying the homemade set up and also putting up a lean to to disguise the waste valve that makes all the noise. I am going to move the rife ram 2" setup down stream and use the creek water to drive teh pump to pump my spring water in a doubleacting ram setup - That will be buried. I have tried so many arrangements and diff. types of ram that I have left the pipes exposes for experimenting. Thanks! Your WROL point is well taken!

[DCC350]

wow that freakin cool

[fierfox121]

Do you consider erosion of the ground around the pump from the water that is released to be a problem? Is there any way to put that water to use?

[engineer775]

@fierfox121 I will but a catch basin and direct the water back to the stream 4 feet away. There is not enough energy (head) in the waste water to put it to any use that I have found. Good question and it is one I have to answer often.  Thanks!

[LeonRFpoa]

I know it is unrelated but what do you think about the gasification potential for leaves and tree litter?

[BrownDogDuke]

Looks good. I wish I had a stream at my place. Instead I have a 100' well. I'm still learning a lot. Keep the excellent videos coming.

[engineer775]

@BrownDogDuke Thanks! Well pumps video series in about a month.

[inviscousfluid]

@engineer775 @engineer775 Are you running the rams in series or parallel? (increased pressure or flow rate?) Also, if you are going for flow rate, what is your velocity like? (any friction loss or blown fittings?)