@IwantShawn Actually, I'm pretty sure kalvaza was saying Egorapter is chubby -- just in a stupid, falsely innocent way. The Penny Arcade dude doesn't even look sweaty. And I do agree with him that he IS a bit chubby (although certainly not obese), but he looks great regardless. It's more of a cute chubby than disgusting chubby. I'm a fatty myself, though, so I might not have a saying. Though I do find myself disgusting... Hm, I guess I can be a judge either way.
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An example ofstatic art. Compare Ethan getting punched in the face in the 4th of Januray comic with Tycho slapping the apple store guy in the 29th of January comic. Both characters in PA give a sense of momentum and impact while Ethan looks as though he just walked into a stationary fist. I read rigid and random comics. I love the randoms because sometimes I'm down & it's like the artist posted just to cheer me up. A bad comic 3 times a week is just 3 bad comics, 1 great one whenever is better.
Liking CAD is one thing, being compelled to defend it is another entirely. There are comics I like that have seen some harsh and deserved criticism in that thread, it hasn't stopped me from enjoying them but I can see where the critics are coming from. CAD has demonstrably static art, inexpressive facial expressions (though he has been improving slightly in that regard), poor writing, a Mary Sue protagonist, bad comedic timing, misogyny, and awkward story pacing. tbc
By your own admission he has been vastly improving on his facial expressions. Not a valid criticism. The writing is usually spot on. I think of particular note is his strength for writing likable charterers. How can you not like Ethan? He's very affable and has an innocent charm. And I love Lucas' sardonic tone.
The misogyny accusation is ridiculous Lilah is a very strong female character who regularly outsmarts her male counterparts.
@Dagyo23 Reading comprehension is our friend. Slightly improving does not equal vastly improving.
Except for when he wants a joke Lilah is a doormat, the only person seen doing menial tasks, who apologised for being upset after her miscarriage and is more a mother to Ethan than a partner. Ethan affable? He's a self centred manchild who has regularly endangered the lives and livelihoods of his friends in his "zany" adventures with almost no consequences, & I can't start on Lucas without a drink.
What? Lilah regularly show herself to be more capable and intelligent than Ethan.She is the voice of reason and he is the wacky one from which we get all the jokes. He drives the plot with his stupidity.
He never intentionally hurts his friends. If fact, he shows them kindness. Such as when he proposed to Lilah and after she went through her miscariage.
One time, Lucas went on a date with a fat girl. He spent the entire date trying to think of an excuse to leave because he's a shallow child and doesn't date fatties. Then they get to her house and she takes off her fat suit and is magically hot and he falls in love.
Then they decide to have an open relationship because Lucas can't handle commitment. Then the girl does some other guy, but has to apologize for breaking Lucas' trust.
Nope, nothing wrong with this. No misogyny or bad writing here.
Lucas was may have been unlikeable in that comic, I'll admit. One could argue that Tim was merely satirizing the male infatuation with perfection of the female form? I don't know. It's been a while since I read that particular arc.
I just have my doubts that if Tim were so misogynistic he'd be so overt about it in his comics.
If it was satire about the futility in searching for superficial beauty, then he didn't do a very good job.
I had to look this up to make sure. Tim really followed it up with the guy wanting an open relationship, but then he's betrayed and the woman has done something wrong when she's open to other men. Then Lucas starts reading her text messages because he can't be sure if he can trust her anymore.
It's just misogyny. There's no other explanation for it.
Well, it highlights how that particular character has struggles relating to people, particularly females. He's flawed,he's human but in the end, a good person. He's shown genuine concern for her and other people in his life.
And the best way to show your characters are flawed is to give them flaws, but act like they're affable character traits and never have them at fault for the situations they create?
What are Lucas' flaws supposed to be? That he can't handle relationships, and finds it hard to trust people? So how did the woman betray his trust when he said it was okay to have relationships with other men?
Lucas is a possessive, manipulative bastard with serious emotional problems, written to never be at fault.
Go to refried (dot) timkenindustries (dot) com and jump to comic number 58. It has the first four comics from when they met, and an explanation of why exactly they're bad.
I don't know when these comics were posted, but if you go through last year's archives, you can probably find the rest. Basically every comic about their relationship is full-on patriarchy.
I just checked out the story arc and while Lucas initially comes across as a bit of a shitheal, I think he eventually redeems himself at the end. He shows genuine concern for Kate. Also, she is far more successful career wise which doesn't bode well for your patriarchy argument..
Why are you trying to convince me that CAD is of poor quality? What's it to you? Why do you care?
Why do you care enough to convince me that CAD isn't of poor quality? What's is to you?
And really, his legitimate concern for her? She "betrayed his trust" by sleeping with other men in an open relationship, and he "shows genuine concern" by forcing her to let him read her text messages?
And the patriarchy isn't a thing of status or economic success: it's a thing of oppression and control. Her higher-paying job matters less than letting Lucas' paranoia run her life and invade her privacy.
I'm defending something I enjoy from baseless attacks. A big difference. Again,why do you care?
Lucas thought he could handle an open relationship. He couldn't. I don't construe that as the characters inherent misogyny, but rather shows him to have very human flaws namely trust issues. It makes him more interesting and relate able.
Also, with Kates successful career, I think it lends credence to my stance that Tim writes strong female characters.
It's not baseless, the entire subtext in that arc was, "OK, you can see other guys. YOU SAW ANOTHER GUY? YOU WHORE." And then she apologizes, as all women do in CAD.
Except the attacks aren't baseless. Buckley writes a very strange perception of reality, where all problems are simple and one-sided, where every twist and turn has been walked before and we know it's safe.
And when he writes bad characters, he does such a terrible job. Yeah, how dare Christian violate doctor-patient confidentiality... and only be able to do so because he literally paid for an entire wing of a hospital. And how dare he give a game store to Ethan for free. That jerk.
Lucas' trust issues don't make him a character to relate to. He doesn't want an open relationship because he isn't ready for commitment. Then he realizes he is, but because they're in an open relationship, she's seeing other men, and it's a betrayal of the trust that he told her they didn't have!
Then there's the fact that his issues with trust are never actually mentioned in the comic. If they were an actual part of Lucas' character development, a good writer would write them in.
It's like Buckley's trying to write for a TV show, and he gets the basic structure, but somehow can't pad it all to 22 minutes like everyone else.
Then we get to the set, and the actors go through all the motions, just as painfully as they would if there were a script, but now all we can focus on is their obvious apathy.
Say he writes about a murder. The intro: there was a murder. Then cops go get subs, maybe crack a joke. And then suddenly the murderer is caught, but we don't know why or how.
Lucas' trust issues are kind of assumed. I think Tims writing is strong enough that he doesn't need to spell it out
Didn't he admit to making a mistake at the end of that arc? Didn't he express sincere regret for getting into that open relationship? And wasn't it because of his genuine feeling for Kate?
I don't know why you have this attitude that characters in fiction have to be these pylons of morality. How boring would it be if characters lacked any discernible flaws? Who could relate to that
If memory serves, Christian went behind Ethans back to steal Lilah from him. Which is a categorically loathsome thing to do. I don't think he qualifies as a badly constructed character.
Oh no! He tried to get his ex-girlfriend back in some vaguely despicable way, even if it's never fully explained. And that bastard! He donated an entire hospital wing, and at the end of it all, literally gave Ethan a successful and popular business free of charge! How dastardly!
Seriously, he writes his evil character as a philanthropist that donates tens of millions to hospitals and charitable causes. But he harasses his ex and her new boyfriend so we're supposed to hate him?
Tell me when. Tell me when Lucas has ever shown genuine concern for females. He decided he didn't love Ol' One Eye when she was IN A COMA. Dang, he sure is a great guy!
You forget the part where she takes him because he wasn't only interested in his looks. Even though he was very overt with that during the whole arc. That is textbook misogyny. The woman is too dumb to notice his overt dislike of overweight women.
"How can you not like Ethan? He's very affable and has an innocent charm."
*Ethan commits a selfish act of utter disregard for other peoples safety and health*
Everyone: "That was completely stupid, not to mention very dickish, Ethan. One day you will end up killing someone with your reckless behavior. What do you have to say for yourself?"
Ethan: "Oh, terribly sorry about...whatever it was. Can I have cake now?"
On top of my head: Releasing a scorpion in an apartment, blowing up part of a building and using Lucas' identity to steal a game from a developer kind of qualifies too.
Spot-on writing? Hmm, as I've stated in the past I appreciate the characters and Tim has a pulse on the gaming community and has an endless well of creativity to draw from in that aspect. I can also appreciate how rich and layered some of his story arcs are. You don't see much character development in unmitigated dreck like Penny Arcade.
Indeed you have my friend! Indeed you have! I hate that shit comic just as much as you. Perhaps more. I gotta tell ya, defending that godawful drivel,even facetiously, was very difficult and taxing on my psyche. You are a worthy opponent LiamDonov. I applaud you.
Nah man,I had fun. Although I feel dirty defending such a terrible fucking abomination. Particularly Buckley's loathsome misogyny and terrible characters/writing.
This is true, but it doesn't necessarily turn them into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of their lives. The fans can move past it, and heal.
Do you see what I am doing. Look at how many words I use to overexplain a concept I've stated before, to the point where nobody gives a shit anymore.
These are Tim Buckley's comics to most people, but without the boring, lifeless "art" stuck between the speech bubbles. Sometimes, the punchline comes in panel three, and then panel four is wacky violence or words that a fourteen year old uses when they want to tell a joke and confuse "random" with "formulaic" or "it was on Invader Zim."
@LiamDonov Again, even if I were to relent and state that he over explains his jokes, he hasn't done it in quite some time. So maybe he's taken some of this criticism to heart?
@LiamDonov He updates three days a week. Coming up with fresh material must be a struggle. At the very least, I appreciated the artwork in todays comic.
@Dagyo23 If he can't come up with fresh material that is worthwhile, then he shouldn't update. Not every comic has to be a gem, but if he really doesn't have a single bit of a good idea, skipping a day would be a sign of a good artist, and not the hack he is, shilling out garbage that his fans will devour because they don't know better. The Rickroll comic is one of his worst ever, hands down. The last Bioshock one was juvenile and invalidated by the flame plasmid being turned off in this one.
@Dagyo23 There are many, many webcomics with more strenuous schedules (M-F updates, side projects, etc) with far better art and writing than CAD.
It must take a lot of time to scour the whole Internet in an attempt to squelch any criticism of your work. That's the only explaination I can think of for his lazy (by "webcomic that is my full time job" standards) quality output and update schedule.
That's funny, because one solution would be to not stick to an update schedule, instead refusing to post what he believes is below his standards. This is something a good number of successful artists and writers do, as well as comic artists and writers.
Additionally, there are many webcomics with that exact same update schedule that manage not only to have better writing with original, well-written material, but also far superior art, and they aren't doing it for a living! Tim has no excuse.
Yes, but as I stated earlier, I think the overwhelming majority of his work is solid.I don't know of many other webcomic artists who maintain such strong work on such a rigid schedule.
Lastly, one of the great appeals of his comic is the updates schedule. It gives fans something rely on and look forward to. Other webcomic artists should take note.
Having no idea when your favorite comic is going to be updated next is a surefire way to lose fans. Maybe THATS why the webcomic artists you mentioned can't do this for a living.
It could be argued with just as much validity, if not more, that his update schedule is a reason his comic is so bad. A regular update schedule isn't something that demonstrates responsibility as much as you seem to think.
And I didn't say they can't do it for a living. Some of them do. Achewood updates five times a week, and manages to have good writing and characters that are more than a stereotype and a differently-colored shirt. The art is simple, but it expresses emotion. CAD's doesn't.
Dinosaur Comics updates almost every weekday, and is good enough to be published in two books AND syndicated in multiple newspapers. The six copy-pasted panels actually help carry the joke!
Dr. McNinja has fantastic, expressive art and writing, along with each character being distinct from the rest.
SMBC Comics updates EVERY DAY, and the creator posts a comedy skit on Youtube every Monday. Zach Weiner doesn't always shoehorn his comics into the same size or four-panel layout like Tim does.
Nedroid Picture Diary doesn't keep itself to a regular update schedule, and it's because the artist himself has specifically said that he doesn't want to force himself to post something if it isn't up to his standards!
The idea that having a regular update schedule is a virtue is based on the times before the internet. Printed comics HAD to be prepared by a certain time for printing, or else they couldn't go out. A regular update schedule isn't a virtue: it's a handicap!
@Dagyo23 Because it's a terrible defence and as part of the discussion we're duty bound to provide an alternative viewpoint. Besides you haven't been paying attention, a rigid schedule stops being a virtue when it negatively affects the artist's ability to grow and the writer's development of the story. As a CAD fan surely you know Buckley himself used to update more than 3 times a week. Wouldn't you be happy to see him drop an update or 2, or take a brief hiatus if it resulted in better comics?
You're the one that brought up the update schedule. I was just responding to you. I don't care about update schedules because I realize that creating something good takes time and effort.
And it isn't "a surefire way to lose fan interest." Let's put it this way: there's a game you want to buy. At some point, the game is delayed for quality control. Some people realize that making sure a game doesn't have serious problems is more important than getting it a few months earlier.
It's the exact same situation with everything. Some people don't mind getting a well-polished product, even if they have to wait a little bit longer.
Other people absolutely refuse to wait, and the game has to be on the market by this date, or else. There's a reason KOTOR 2 was only half-finished, and it wasn't because Obsidian failed at making the game: it was because Lucasarts refused to publish it if it wasn't out by a certain date.
Other times, the idea needs to be scrapped entirely, because it's just terrible and can't be executed well. id tried with Daikatana, and delayed it to try and bring it up to standards, but refused to throw out what was obviously a terrible game and start over.
There. I made a video game metaphor. We can connect as people.
Just because I know a TV show's happening at the same time every week doesn't mean I'm going to tune in if I can just torrent it later.
Your analogy only works if CAD suffered due to schedule restraints. I don't think it does. But as far as I know, Tim has always had this schedule so we have nothing to compare it to.
Oh yes it does. If he ignored the schedule and decided to actually work on his own time, then he would be a huge deal better. Yes, people have survived on a rigid schedule, (e.g., Dr. McNinja, SMBC, Cyanide & Happiness) but the main difference is that they have TALENT. Buckley just has his copy-paste eye folder.
Well, I don't think his comic is bad, and the comics are far more often good than bad. I don't feel his comics suffer in the slightest due to his schedule.
I'm not familiar with those other comics you mentioned,so I can't comment on their quality.
I don't know, maybe it's just that the rest of the world involved in what he does thinks he's a fantastic moron. I could just be making fun of the gaping void of dialogue, from which no joke can escape.
Let me explain the joke to broaden the appeal. I believe he writes verbosely to the point of killing any joke he tries to tell. In general, there aren't any serious conceptual problems, but the punchline's in panel two and the last ones are explaining why it was supposed to be funny.
Daygo23, if you read Tim's Loss newspost properly you will notice he out-and-out states that he is happy the miscarriage happened and basically used it as an excuse to break up with a woman he had grown tired of.
THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO DESERVES YOUR DEFENCE. HE IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER COCK.
Criticism of a comic you're a fan of is often harder on the fan than the critic, but it shouldn't turn you into a sad sack of tears for the rest of your life. You get up and move past it.
Your Xbox robot running away, on the other hand...
No, they understand it. You just can't go from a lighthearted comic about video games DIRECTLY into a storyline about miscarriages. Also, B^U pretty much screwed the pooch the first time he said "A miscarriage is often harder on the man then on the woman".
PS, if you want a good webcomic, look up Nedroid. It's actually funny!
No he said it was often harder on the woman than on the man. Which implies that miscarriage is also often harder on the man than it is on the woman.
Also there wouldn't be anything wrong if he weren't such a terrible writer. Or if he could make sympathetic characters with more than one dimension to them. Or if he could write a story without having to overexplain every unimportant detail and then gloss over what every talented writer would go into depth over.
As stated, I think he just worded it poorly. But you obsessed sycophants from SA will not admit as much.
I have to respectfully disagree about his writing. I think one of his strengths is likable relate able characters.
And his "over-explaining" can be explained away by the fact that a lot of his jokes are centered around video games. Which can be somewhat of an esoteric subject.
Ethan, the man-child who will get so depressed he turns to alcohol when a robot leaves him, yet is perfectly fine when he loses his own child.
Lucas, a man who has only one emotion; sarcasm.
Lilah, the weak willed housewife who will apologise for everything regardless of whether it was her fault or not, including for being upset over her own miscarriage; remember, it doesn't turn you into a sack of tears! You get over it!
But it's a comic he's making "for gamers." Specifically targeted at people that don't need the joke explained to them, because they're already informed on the subject.
And his characters are shallow and one-dimensional. He never writes multiple roles, he never has them grow in ways that make sense. It's always the HILARIOUS WACKY HIJINKS!!! guy, with the girlfriend that loves him "just because" and a smug jerk that had an open relationship but freaked out when she, you know, was open in it.
@LiamDonov I think that by explaining the joke he's broadening the appeal of the comic. Which you can hardly blame him for.
Admittedly, his characters don't have the most depth, but I think they've shown some growth.Ethan has shown signs of maturity and growing up.Personally, I consider them likable enough.
If you have to explain the joke, then it isn't funny. This is the first rule of comedy. And his characters aren't likable because they aren't distinct or unique beyond their respective stereotypes.
And honestly, the man makes a living using Google Image Search to find a background to blur in Photoshop, and then draw lifeless, motionless cardboard cutouts in front of. He keeps a .psd file of eyes and mouths so he can just paste them in. He has less of a handle on perspective than Rob Liefeld.
Tim Buckley brings nothing good or new in the way of artistry, and he can't write the characters he's trying to make look good. The female characters are always the ones to apologize for whatever problems come up. Every single time, even if it wasn't their fault at all, they accept the blame.
The guy isn't even invited to conventions anymore because of his behavior. A ton of people are blaming SA for the hate, but it's really practically everyone over the age of 16 that's heard of the guy.
@LiamDonov Well, He's not explaining the joke in in and of itself, he's explaining the setup so the punchline makes sense to the casual reader. Even so, he hasn't done this in some time. The same with the background images. As far as I can recall, he hasn't done this in quite some time.
Are you from the SA forums by chance? You sound needlessly bitter and angry about a webcomic you don't like. A characteristic I've found in goons in that hateful thread.
"You sound needlessly bitter and angry about a webcomic you don't like. A characteristic I've found in goons in that hateful thread."
Laughing really hard at this part of your comment. I mean, damn. How arrogant do you have to be to look down your nose at someone because they said something on the internet?
And no, he isn't explaining the setup so the punchline comes more easily. He's explaining the punchline. And if you have to explain the joke, then it isn't funny. The first rule of comedy.
@LiamDonov Holy shit, are you kidding? Would you like me to dredge up some of the hateful condescending things you guys have said about CAD fans?!? Do you really want to go down this road? That Webdog guy has dedicated his life to this cause. And no matter what you think of people on the CAD forums, we don't have anyone like him over there.
I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think he just explaining the setup for clarity purposes.
Which makes it unfunny. I'm going to say it again: if you have to explain the joke, THEN IT ISN'T FUNNY. THIS IS THE FIRST RULE OF COMEDY.
Like the rules with most things, they can be broken with effect. This is how new types of art and music are invented. This is how society evolves and people better themselves.
Tim Buckley is not breaking the first rule of comedy because he knows how to exaggerate it for comic effect. He is breaking it because he doesn't know how to tell a joke.
Also who gives a shit about Webdog? Everything he dug up was put on the internet, by Tim Buckley, of his own volition. Everything he found was on the internet, because it's public information, put there by Tim Buckley.
Except for the criminal records, it was all put up by Buckley. Nobody actually cares about Webdog because anyone else can get the exact same amount of info in ten minutes with Google. This is the internet. This is how it works.
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@LiamDonov I was merely pointing out his compiling of all that information is kinda creepy and weird and indicative of the type of people who post in that thread. I mean, the amount of energy you guys expend mocking something you don't like is frightening.
they understand it, they have a 160 page thread explaining in detail how each singular pixel of the comic is bile from the darkest recesses of B^uckley's intestines
hahaha
vinnieveritas 1 month ago
i just had a miscarriage watching this
i shall apologise to ethan
quiteawful 7 months ago
BAM!
You're not pregnant anymore!
ZyxthePest 10 months ago 8
Egoraptor just sung a song about Penny Arcade.
Egoraptor jusy sung about Computer Aided Drafting and Design.
Egoraptor's true power has been taken off the leash...
*infinity
otakuribo 10 months ago
that's chinesse girl looks sooo....... *yawn*
PixelNico 11 months ago
he's sweating......... ALOT
TarsalMonkeyboy 11 months ago
I that Tycho?
theC4K3is4lie 1 year ago
Several people here look distinctly unimpressed
JonathanBloggs 1 year ago
B^U
Gravastars1 1 year ago
Reminds me of Jack Black
grimma2 1 year ago
EGORAPTOR IS A CHUBBY JULIAN CASABLANCAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fad3ify 1 year ago
I wish I had been there.
chargerfighter1 1 year ago
I just realized Egoraptor looks like the main character dude in the movie Legend.
PenItFoMeYo 1 year ago
18 people like Cawks and Dicks... and aren't girls D:
alexgk89 1 year ago
Is Egorapter the chubby sweaty guy?
kalvaza 1 year ago
@kalvaza No the singing guy
Fat dude with no complexion is the Penny Arcade dude.
IwantShawn 1 year ago
@IwantShawn Actually, I'm pretty sure kalvaza was saying Egorapter is chubby -- just in a stupid, falsely innocent way. The Penny Arcade dude doesn't even look sweaty. And I do agree with him that he IS a bit chubby (although certainly not obese), but he looks great regardless. It's more of a cute chubby than disgusting chubby. I'm a fatty myself, though, so I might not have a saying. Though I do find myself disgusting... Hm, I guess I can be a judge either way.
SiGhast 1 year ago
Egoraptor is the one with the dark brown hair and red shirt :)
"Let's have a miscarriage together!"
Enysum 1 year ago
0:18
WHY AM I SO BAAALLLDDDDDDDD
GmodFTW123 1 year ago
"They all look like this B^U"
On a scary noe, I did not know Buckley had a fiance until I read the SA post.
AetherSingularity 1 year ago
Does he livein Washington?
SuperSillyKitten 1 year ago
wich is ego
acidjoker21 1 year ago
What does CAD really stand for?
theberzerker0 1 year ago
Wow, that girl in the hat is NOT amused.
floatingkid 1 year ago
If you dont like the comic dont read it. simple dont read it, it just shows that you read it ONLY to troll
merpmaster25 1 year ago
@merpmaster25 Butthurt CADfan detected.
Hiyama420 1 year ago
I like CAD alot
merpmaster25 1 year ago
gaydar alert
gaydar alert
gaydar alert
ThatBadAssMofo 1 year ago
Egoraptor looks sexier all sweaty.
MetroLombardi 1 year ago 11
Oh my...
hibikino 1 year ago
Their faces are more like : B^U
MrCadefulp 1 year ago
I still like cad.
TheResistence 1 year ago
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Billjo5 1 year ago 2
Bum Tickley
Syzydeh 1 year ago
B^U
Bashe86 1 year ago
he's sweaaating so MUCH!
tolkier 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT I have the same sterling silver maze ring as egoraptor!!XD
Meclesky07 1 year ago
That chick in the hat looks so... uncomfortable?
zlxq3000 1 year ago
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Nalem 1 year ago
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@zlxq3000 That's cuz I was :D
Nalem 1 year ago
@zlxq3000 Well that's cuz I was :D
Nalem 1 year ago
It'll be on youtube, i'll link you guys.
theweakwillwalk 1 year ago
I used to hate Egoraptor but now I'm not sure what to think.
Darushi3 1 year ago
haha what is this about?
harmfulifconsumed 1 year ago
And in conclusion:
B^U
therealrickycat 2 years ago
Bravo to Dagyo23'a fake posts.
foilking4 2 years ago
B^U
lolYOULOSTTHEGAMElol 2 years ago 2
An example ofstatic art. Compare Ethan getting punched in the face in the 4th of Januray comic with Tycho slapping the apple store guy in the 29th of January comic. Both characters in PA give a sense of momentum and impact while Ethan looks as though he just walked into a stationary fist. I read rigid and random comics. I love the randoms because sometimes I'm down & it's like the artist posted just to cheer me up. A bad comic 3 times a week is just 3 bad comics, 1 great one whenever is better.
waylander1314 2 years ago 4
Liking CAD is one thing, being compelled to defend it is another entirely. There are comics I like that have seen some harsh and deserved criticism in that thread, it hasn't stopped me from enjoying them but I can see where the critics are coming from. CAD has demonstrably static art, inexpressive facial expressions (though he has been improving slightly in that regard), poor writing, a Mary Sue protagonist, bad comedic timing, misogyny, and awkward story pacing. tbc
waylander1314 2 years ago 3
By your own admission he has been vastly improving on his facial expressions. Not a valid criticism. The writing is usually spot on. I think of particular note is his strength for writing likable charterers. How can you not like Ethan? He's very affable and has an innocent charm. And I love Lucas' sardonic tone.
The misogyny accusation is ridiculous Lilah is a very strong female character who regularly outsmarts her male counterparts.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
@Dagyo23 Reading comprehension is our friend. Slightly improving does not equal vastly improving.
Except for when he wants a joke Lilah is a doormat, the only person seen doing menial tasks, who apologised for being upset after her miscarriage and is more a mother to Ethan than a partner. Ethan affable? He's a self centred manchild who has regularly endangered the lives and livelihoods of his friends in his "zany" adventures with almost no consequences, & I can't start on Lucas without a drink.
waylander1314 2 years ago 10
What? Lilah regularly show herself to be more capable and intelligent than Ethan.She is the voice of reason and he is the wacky one from which we get all the jokes. He drives the plot with his stupidity.
He never intentionally hurts his friends. If fact, he shows them kindness. Such as when he proposed to Lilah and after she went through her miscariage.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
One time, Lucas went on a date with a fat girl. He spent the entire date trying to think of an excuse to leave because he's a shallow child and doesn't date fatties. Then they get to her house and she takes off her fat suit and is magically hot and he falls in love.
Then they decide to have an open relationship because Lucas can't handle commitment. Then the girl does some other guy, but has to apologize for breaking Lucas' trust.
Nope, nothing wrong with this. No misogyny or bad writing here.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
Lucas was may have been unlikeable in that comic, I'll admit. One could argue that Tim was merely satirizing the male infatuation with perfection of the female form? I don't know. It's been a while since I read that particular arc.
I just have my doubts that if Tim were so misogynistic he'd be so overt about it in his comics.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
If it was satire about the futility in searching for superficial beauty, then he didn't do a very good job.
I had to look this up to make sure. Tim really followed it up with the guy wanting an open relationship, but then he's betrayed and the woman has done something wrong when she's open to other men. Then Lucas starts reading her text messages because he can't be sure if he can trust her anymore.
It's just misogyny. There's no other explanation for it.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
Well, it highlights how that particular character has struggles relating to people, particularly females. He's flawed,he's human but in the end, a good person. He's shown genuine concern for her and other people in his life.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Pfahahahahahaha
Totalblanax 2 years ago 2
And the best way to show your characters are flawed is to give them flaws, but act like they're affable character traits and never have them at fault for the situations they create?
What are Lucas' flaws supposed to be? That he can't handle relationships, and finds it hard to trust people? So how did the woman betray his trust when he said it was okay to have relationships with other men?
Lucas is a possessive, manipulative bastard with serious emotional problems, written to never be at fault.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Ok, tell me hot to find the arc you keep referencing.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Go to refried (dot) timkenindustries (dot) com and jump to comic number 58. It has the first four comics from when they met, and an explanation of why exactly they're bad.
I don't know when these comics were posted, but if you go through last year's archives, you can probably find the rest. Basically every comic about their relationship is full-on patriarchy.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
Oh wait no it was in 2007. Oh well.
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I just checked out the story arc and while Lucas initially comes across as a bit of a shitheal, I think he eventually redeems himself at the end. He shows genuine concern for Kate. Also, she is far more successful career wise which doesn't bode well for your patriarchy argument..
Why are you trying to convince me that CAD is of poor quality? What's it to you? Why do you care?
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Why do you care enough to convince me that CAD isn't of poor quality? What's is to you?
And really, his legitimate concern for her? She "betrayed his trust" by sleeping with other men in an open relationship, and he "shows genuine concern" by forcing her to let him read her text messages?
And the patriarchy isn't a thing of status or economic success: it's a thing of oppression and control. Her higher-paying job matters less than letting Lucas' paranoia run her life and invade her privacy.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
I'm defending something I enjoy from baseless attacks. A big difference. Again,why do you care?
Lucas thought he could handle an open relationship. He couldn't. I don't construe that as the characters inherent misogyny, but rather shows him to have very human flaws namely trust issues. It makes him more interesting and relate able.
Also, with Kates successful career, I think it lends credence to my stance that Tim writes strong female characters.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
It's not baseless, the entire subtext in that arc was, "OK, you can see other guys. YOU SAW ANOTHER GUY? YOU WHORE." And then she apologizes, as all women do in CAD.
eruption257 2 years ago
Except the attacks aren't baseless. Buckley writes a very strange perception of reality, where all problems are simple and one-sided, where every twist and turn has been walked before and we know it's safe.
And when he writes bad characters, he does such a terrible job. Yeah, how dare Christian violate doctor-patient confidentiality... and only be able to do so because he literally paid for an entire wing of a hospital. And how dare he give a game store to Ethan for free. That jerk.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Lucas' trust issues don't make him a character to relate to. He doesn't want an open relationship because he isn't ready for commitment. Then he realizes he is, but because they're in an open relationship, she's seeing other men, and it's a betrayal of the trust that he told her they didn't have!
Then there's the fact that his issues with trust are never actually mentioned in the comic. If they were an actual part of Lucas' character development, a good writer would write them in.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
It's like Buckley's trying to write for a TV show, and he gets the basic structure, but somehow can't pad it all to 22 minutes like everyone else.
Then we get to the set, and the actors go through all the motions, just as painfully as they would if there were a script, but now all we can focus on is their obvious apathy.
Say he writes about a murder. The intro: there was a murder. Then cops go get subs, maybe crack a joke. And then suddenly the murderer is caught, but we don't know why or how.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Maybe you don't care about this, but I'm leaving for a week and might be without an internet connection.
Just didn't want you to think I was giving up
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Lucas' trust issues are kind of assumed. I think Tims writing is strong enough that he doesn't need to spell it out
Didn't he admit to making a mistake at the end of that arc? Didn't he express sincere regret for getting into that open relationship? And wasn't it because of his genuine feeling for Kate?
I don't know why you have this attitude that characters in fiction have to be these pylons of morality. How boring would it be if characters lacked any discernible flaws? Who could relate to that
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If memory serves, Christian went behind Ethans back to steal Lilah from him. Which is a categorically loathsome thing to do. I don't think he qualifies as a badly constructed character.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Oh no! He tried to get his ex-girlfriend back in some vaguely despicable way, even if it's never fully explained. And that bastard! He donated an entire hospital wing, and at the end of it all, literally gave Ethan a successful and popular business free of charge! How dastardly!
Seriously, he writes his evil character as a philanthropist that donates tens of millions to hospitals and charitable causes. But he harasses his ex and her new boyfriend so we're supposed to hate him?
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Tell me when. Tell me when Lucas has ever shown genuine concern for females. He decided he didn't love Ol' One Eye when she was IN A COMA. Dang, he sure is a great guy!
eruption257 2 years ago
You forget the part where she takes him because he wasn't only interested in his looks. Even though he was very overt with that during the whole arc. That is textbook misogyny. The woman is too dumb to notice his overt dislike of overweight women.
eruption257 2 years ago
Why is this so important to you? Why are you spending so much time trying to convince me CAD is of poor quality? What does it matter?
Dagyo23 2 years ago
"How can you not like Ethan? He's very affable and has an innocent charm."
*Ethan commits a selfish act of utter disregard for other peoples safety and health*
Everyone: "That was completely stupid, not to mention very dickish, Ethan. One day you will end up killing someone with your reckless behavior. What do you have to say for yourself?"
Ethan: "Oh, terribly sorry about...whatever it was. Can I have cake now?"
Everyone: "OH ETHAN!"
Ethan: "Yaaay! CAKE SQUEE!"
EyeoftheU 2 years ago
Oh come on! Give me an instance of something even resembling that happening!
Dagyo23 2 years ago
On top of my head: Releasing a scorpion in an apartment, blowing up part of a building and using Lucas' identity to steal a game from a developer kind of qualifies too.
EyeoftheU 2 years ago
Ok,the identity thing is pretty fucked up. But the other two instances were accidents that he apologized for.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Yeah, he totally apologised for the scorpian incident.
Ya know, after trying to convince Lilah that is was everyone else's fault but his own.
SailorTaurus 2 years ago 2
Show me an example of the writing being "spot-on", please. I have honestly never seen an example of good CAD writing.
eruption257 2 years ago
Spot-on writing? Hmm, as I've stated in the past I appreciate the characters and Tim has a pulse on the gaming community and has an endless well of creativity to draw from in that aspect. I can also appreciate how rich and layered some of his story arcs are. You don't see much character development in unmitigated dreck like Penny Arcade.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Wait, no, this clinches it. I've been trolled this whole time. Fuck.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Indeed you have my friend! Indeed you have! I hate that shit comic just as much as you. Perhaps more. I gotta tell ya, defending that godawful drivel,even facetiously, was very difficult and taxing on my psyche. You are a worthy opponent LiamDonov. I applaud you.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
I'm so sorry for everything I've put you through. :(
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Nah man,I had fun. Although I feel dirty defending such a terrible fucking abomination. Particularly Buckley's loathsome misogyny and terrible characters/writing.
Anyway, see you on the SA forums!
Dagyo23 2 years ago
I've been watching this argument in my submission comments updates over the past few days and I was really enjoying it.
RubberRoss 2 years ago
Hell yeah, man.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
HOLY FUCK, you're good.
eruption257 2 years ago
Man, I feel like a dumbass. Kudos, man, you must really like playing the Devil's Advocate.
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@phazonstorm
This is true, but it doesn't necessarily turn them into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of their lives. The fans can move past it, and heal.
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ArchangelSteve 2 years ago
@phazonstorm Well,when the criticism is as feeble as whats being doled out here, it's easy to take it in stride.
MISCARRIAGE JOKES X1000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Dagyo23
"MISCARRIAGE JOKES X1000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! "
But to do that we'd need to copy and paste miscarriages almost as much as Tim Buckley does? D:
SailorTaurus 2 years ago
Two thumbs down? Obviously CAD fans don't appreciate good humour (which explains everything really).
SailorTaurus 2 years ago
Tim Buckley is a complete hack.
trapdoorjerusalem 2 years ago 18
Once again, his explaining the joke hasn't been done in a long time. It's a relic of the past and no longer a valid criticism.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Did you not see the Heavy Rain comic?
machchunk 2 years ago
@machchunk Of course, I read them all. Why do you ask?
Dagyo23 2 years ago
"It's these vague quick-time commands!"
machchunk 2 years ago 2
@Dagyo23 Do you suffer from aspergers?
patrialuvien 2 years ago 2
No. I do not have autism.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Do you see what I am doing. Look at how many words I use to overexplain a concept I've stated before, to the point where nobody gives a shit anymore.
These are Tim Buckley's comics to most people, but without the boring, lifeless "art" stuck between the speech bubbles. Sometimes, the punchline comes in panel three, and then panel four is wacky violence or words that a fourteen year old uses when they want to tell a joke and confuse "random" with "formulaic" or "it was on Invader Zim."
LiamDonov 2 years ago
@LiamDonov Again, even if I were to relent and state that he over explains his jokes, he hasn't done it in quite some time. So maybe he's taken some of this criticism to heart?
Dagyo23 2 years ago
He did a Rickroll joke today. It's 2010. Nothing can be done to redeem this man short of a serious improvement unlike anything that's ever been seen.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 3
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@LiamDonov He updates three days a week. Coming up with fresh material must be a struggle. At the very least, I appreciated the artwork in todays comic.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
@Dagyo23 If he can't come up with fresh material that is worthwhile, then he shouldn't update. Not every comic has to be a gem, but if he really doesn't have a single bit of a good idea, skipping a day would be a sign of a good artist, and not the hack he is, shilling out garbage that his fans will devour because they don't know better. The Rickroll comic is one of his worst ever, hands down. The last Bioshock one was juvenile and invalidated by the flame plasmid being turned off in this one.
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I maintain that most of his material is solid. Especially considering his rigid schedule.
Which he almost NEVER misses.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
@Dagyo23 There are many, many webcomics with more strenuous schedules (M-F updates, side projects, etc) with far better art and writing than CAD.
It must take a lot of time to scour the whole Internet in an attempt to squelch any criticism of your work. That's the only explaination I can think of for his lazy (by "webcomic that is my full time job" standards) quality output and update schedule.
bicostp 2 years ago
That's funny, because one solution would be to not stick to an update schedule, instead refusing to post what he believes is below his standards. This is something a good number of successful artists and writers do, as well as comic artists and writers.
Additionally, there are many webcomics with that exact same update schedule that manage not only to have better writing with original, well-written material, but also far superior art, and they aren't doing it for a living! Tim has no excuse.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Yes, but as I stated earlier, I think the overwhelming majority of his work is solid.I don't know of many other webcomic artists who maintain such strong work on such a rigid schedule.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
And thanks for being a complete fucking shithead about this and posting about this conversation in that inane thread.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
You sound needlessly bitter and angry about a forum thread you don't like.
EyeoftheU 2 years ago
I have a tendency to react negatively when goons flood my inbox with a bunch of nasty messages.
All because I like a webcomic they don't. What an unforgivable crime I've committed!
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Do you celebrate Wintereenmas?
Avirosb 2 years ago
No.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Lastly, one of the great appeals of his comic is the updates schedule. It gives fans something rely on and look forward to. Other webcomic artists should take note.
Having no idea when your favorite comic is going to be updated next is a surefire way to lose fans. Maybe THATS why the webcomic artists you mentioned can't do this for a living.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
It could be argued with just as much validity, if not more, that his update schedule is a reason his comic is so bad. A regular update schedule isn't something that demonstrates responsibility as much as you seem to think.
And I didn't say they can't do it for a living. Some of them do. Achewood updates five times a week, and manages to have good writing and characters that are more than a stereotype and a differently-colored shirt. The art is simple, but it expresses emotion. CAD's doesn't.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Dinosaur Comics updates almost every weekday, and is good enough to be published in two books AND syndicated in multiple newspapers. The six copy-pasted panels actually help carry the joke!
Dr. McNinja has fantastic, expressive art and writing, along with each character being distinct from the rest.
SMBC Comics updates EVERY DAY, and the creator posts a comedy skit on Youtube every Monday. Zach Weiner doesn't always shoehorn his comics into the same size or four-panel layout like Tim does.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Nedroid Picture Diary doesn't keep itself to a regular update schedule, and it's because the artist himself has specifically said that he doesn't want to force himself to post something if it isn't up to his standards!
The idea that having a regular update schedule is a virtue is based on the times before the internet. Printed comics HAD to be prepared by a certain time for printing, or else they couldn't go out. A regular update schedule isn't a virtue: it's a handicap!
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
But it IS a virtue. Why are you so hung up on this schedule thing? His comic doesn't suffer because of it, and fans know EXACTLY when to tune in.
Having to wait weeks on end for a new comic to arrive is absurd and a surefire way to lose fan interest.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
@Dagyo23 Because it's a terrible defence and as part of the discussion we're duty bound to provide an alternative viewpoint. Besides you haven't been paying attention, a rigid schedule stops being a virtue when it negatively affects the artist's ability to grow and the writer's development of the story. As a CAD fan surely you know Buckley himself used to update more than 3 times a week. Wouldn't you be happy to see him drop an update or 2, or take a brief hiatus if it resulted in better comics?
waylander1314 2 years ago
You're the one that brought up the update schedule. I was just responding to you. I don't care about update schedules because I realize that creating something good takes time and effort.
And it isn't "a surefire way to lose fan interest." Let's put it this way: there's a game you want to buy. At some point, the game is delayed for quality control. Some people realize that making sure a game doesn't have serious problems is more important than getting it a few months earlier.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
It's the exact same situation with everything. Some people don't mind getting a well-polished product, even if they have to wait a little bit longer.
Other people absolutely refuse to wait, and the game has to be on the market by this date, or else. There's a reason KOTOR 2 was only half-finished, and it wasn't because Obsidian failed at making the game: it was because Lucasarts refused to publish it if it wasn't out by a certain date.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Other times, the idea needs to be scrapped entirely, because it's just terrible and can't be executed well. id tried with Daikatana, and delayed it to try and bring it up to standards, but refused to throw out what was obviously a terrible game and start over.
There. I made a video game metaphor. We can connect as people.
Just because I know a TV show's happening at the same time every week doesn't mean I'm going to tune in if I can just torrent it later.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Your analogy only works if CAD suffered due to schedule restraints. I don't think it does. But as far as I know, Tim has always had this schedule so we have nothing to compare it to.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Oh yes it does. If he ignored the schedule and decided to actually work on his own time, then he would be a huge deal better. Yes, people have survived on a rigid schedule, (e.g., Dr. McNinja, SMBC, Cyanide & Happiness) but the main difference is that they have TALENT. Buckley just has his copy-paste eye folder.
eruption257 2 years ago
Well, I don't think his comic is bad, and the comics are far more often good than bad. I don't feel his comics suffer in the slightest due to his schedule.
I'm not familiar with those other comics you mentioned,so I can't comment on their quality.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Having a schedule to rely on?
Buddy, it's 2010. RSS Feeds were BORN to do this.
ValleTana 2 years ago
I don't know, maybe it's just that the rest of the world involved in what he does thinks he's a fantastic moron. I could just be making fun of the gaping void of dialogue, from which no joke can escape.
Let me explain the joke to broaden the appeal. I believe he writes verbosely to the point of killing any joke he tries to tell. In general, there aren't any serious conceptual problems, but the punchline's in panel two and the last ones are explaining why it was supposed to be funny.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Daygo23, if you read Tim's Loss newspost properly you will notice he out-and-out states that he is happy the miscarriage happened and basically used it as an excuse to break up with a woman he had grown tired of.
THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO DESERVES YOUR DEFENCE. HE IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER COCK.
Adrianics4k 2 years ago 3
Boohoo, someone doesn't like the horribly drawn, wordy ass comic that I like.
awfulbeast 2 years ago
Criticism of a comic you're a fan of is often harder on the fan than the critic, but it shouldn't turn you into a sad sack of tears for the rest of your life. You get up and move past it.
Your Xbox robot running away, on the other hand...
bicostp 2 years ago
Robot? What ROBOT?
You have been banned.
Reason: Not given
Your ban will be lifted: When B^U gets funny.
EdFanMH 2 years ago
Cocks and Dicks are often harder on the woman than the man.
metalburb 2 years ago
Grow up
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Fair enough, Tim.
metalburb 2 years ago
suck it
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Oh come on, can't appreciate a good joke?
eruption257 2 years ago
LET'S HAVE A MISCARRIAGE TOGETHER
eruption257 2 years ago 3
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Those artards from the SA forums will NOT drop the miscarriage storyline.
I for one thought it was a touching, daring and emotional departure from his usual storylines.
Goons wouldn't understand this. They're stupi fat shitheads with a shit sense of humor.
Fuck you SA!
Dagyo23 2 years ago
No, they understand it. You just can't go from a lighthearted comic about video games DIRECTLY into a storyline about miscarriages. Also, B^U pretty much screwed the pooch the first time he said "A miscarriage is often harder on the man then on the woman".
PS, if you want a good webcomic, look up Nedroid. It's actually funny!
eruption257 2 years ago 7
Whats wrong with him briefly devianting from his usual silly tone to a more serious and gripping one?
I believe he said it was harder on the WOMAN than on the man. Which is true.
Yes, Nedroid is the best comic since Calvin and Hobbes.
Fuck SA
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Actually he said it was OFTEN much harder on the woman, as if to suggest that miscarriages are usually harder on the men.
He also said that a miscarriage "doesn't necessarily turn you into a sack of tears. You get over it." Yeah, real empathy right there.
SailorTaurus 2 years ago
Perhaps he simply worded it poorly. I maintain that Tim has empathy for people going through a miscarriage, as he went through one himself.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
@Dagyo23
HE BROKE UP WITH THE WOMAN SHORTLY AFTER, he even said it was a dying relationship as in HE WAS GOING TO DITCH HER ASS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
technoskull 2 years ago 2
The best time to break up with a girl is right after they have a miscarriage. The best followup is misogyny. Delicious, delicious misogyny.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
No he said it was often harder on the woman than on the man. Which implies that miscarriage is also often harder on the man than it is on the woman.
Also there wouldn't be anything wrong if he weren't such a terrible writer. Or if he could make sympathetic characters with more than one dimension to them. Or if he could write a story without having to overexplain every unimportant detail and then gloss over what every talented writer would go into depth over.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
As stated, I think he just worded it poorly. But you obsessed sycophants from SA will not admit as much.
I have to respectfully disagree about his writing. I think one of his strengths is likable relate able characters.
And his "over-explaining" can be explained away by the fact that a lot of his jokes are centered around video games. Which can be somewhat of an esoteric subject.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Yeah, really likeable characters.
Ethan, the man-child who will get so depressed he turns to alcohol when a robot leaves him, yet is perfectly fine when he loses his own child.
Lucas, a man who has only one emotion; sarcasm.
Lilah, the weak willed housewife who will apologise for everything regardless of whether it was her fault or not, including for being upset over her own miscarriage; remember, it doesn't turn you into a sack of tears! You get over it!
Scott, who...wait, where is h-BANNED
SailorTaurus 2 years ago 5
But it's a comic he's making "for gamers." Specifically targeted at people that don't need the joke explained to them, because they're already informed on the subject.
And his characters are shallow and one-dimensional. He never writes multiple roles, he never has them grow in ways that make sense. It's always the HILARIOUS WACKY HIJINKS!!! guy, with the girlfriend that loves him "just because" and a smug jerk that had an open relationship but freaked out when she, you know, was open in it.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
@LiamDonov I think that by explaining the joke he's broadening the appeal of the comic. Which you can hardly blame him for.
Admittedly, his characters don't have the most depth, but I think they've shown some growth.Ethan has shown signs of maturity and growing up.Personally, I consider them likable enough.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
If you have to explain the joke, then it isn't funny. This is the first rule of comedy. And his characters aren't likable because they aren't distinct or unique beyond their respective stereotypes.
And honestly, the man makes a living using Google Image Search to find a background to blur in Photoshop, and then draw lifeless, motionless cardboard cutouts in front of. He keeps a .psd file of eyes and mouths so he can just paste them in. He has less of a handle on perspective than Rob Liefeld.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
Tim Buckley brings nothing good or new in the way of artistry, and he can't write the characters he's trying to make look good. The female characters are always the ones to apologize for whatever problems come up. Every single time, even if it wasn't their fault at all, they accept the blame.
The guy isn't even invited to conventions anymore because of his behavior. A ton of people are blaming SA for the hate, but it's really practically everyone over the age of 16 that's heard of the guy.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
@LiamDonov Well, He's not explaining the joke in in and of itself, he's explaining the setup so the punchline makes sense to the casual reader. Even so, he hasn't done this in some time. The same with the background images. As far as I can recall, he hasn't done this in quite some time.
Are you from the SA forums by chance? You sound needlessly bitter and angry about a webcomic you don't like. A characteristic I've found in goons in that hateful thread.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
"You sound needlessly bitter and angry about a webcomic you don't like. A characteristic I've found in goons in that hateful thread."
Laughing really hard at this part of your comment. I mean, damn. How arrogant do you have to be to look down your nose at someone because they said something on the internet?
And no, he isn't explaining the setup so the punchline comes more easily. He's explaining the punchline. And if you have to explain the joke, then it isn't funny. The first rule of comedy.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
"A characteristic I've found in goons in that hateful thread."
Lemme just laugh for a while longer at this. Holy shit, dude, you've gotta be kidding me.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
@LiamDonov Holy shit, are you kidding? Would you like me to dredge up some of the hateful condescending things you guys have said about CAD fans?!? Do you really want to go down this road? That Webdog guy has dedicated his life to this cause. And no matter what you think of people on the CAD forums, we don't have anyone like him over there.
I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think he just explaining the setup for clarity purposes.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
Which makes it unfunny. I'm going to say it again: if you have to explain the joke, THEN IT ISN'T FUNNY. THIS IS THE FIRST RULE OF COMEDY.
Like the rules with most things, they can be broken with effect. This is how new types of art and music are invented. This is how society evolves and people better themselves.
Tim Buckley is not breaking the first rule of comedy because he knows how to exaggerate it for comic effect. He is breaking it because he doesn't know how to tell a joke.
LiamDonov 2 years ago
Also who gives a shit about Webdog? Everything he dug up was put on the internet, by Tim Buckley, of his own volition. Everything he found was on the internet, because it's public information, put there by Tim Buckley.
Except for the criminal records, it was all put up by Buckley. Nobody actually cares about Webdog because anyone else can get the exact same amount of info in ten minutes with Google. This is the internet. This is how it works.
LiamDonov 2 years ago 2
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@LiamDonov I was merely pointing out his compiling of all that information is kinda creepy and weird and indicative of the type of people who post in that thread. I mean, the amount of energy you guys expend mocking something you don't like is frightening.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
"And his "over-explaining" can be explained away"
hahahaha
taxidurmy 2 years ago
@Dagyo23
they understand it, they have a 160 page thread explaining in detail how each singular pixel of the comic is bile from the darkest recesses of B^uckley's intestines
technoskull 2 years ago
Yeah, they're an obsessed mean-sprited lot. I've had the misfortune of reading that thread.
Dagyo23 2 years ago
So he worded it poorly. Please, tell me how it can be worded better. I'm intrigued, Dagyo.
eruption257 2 years ago