Allhamdoo-lilah we are blessed to have such a wonderful person like Hassanain Rajabali who is really telling all of us muslim and non muslim alike the truth about the quality Islam of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his ahlulbayt (A.S.)
@yusufbest well thaaat's not an argument my dear. We are all grown ups, but evidently people with higher IQ tend not to be religious, they are, but in a more abstract way. See Albert Einstein for example said that he is religious in a different way, in which you can read this in his memoriums.
yes it is not an argument darling. It is an analogy. People with higher IQ do stupid things all the time. Thats why its important to have EQ and also AQ in this world. but to have peace in this world and the next, you need SQ too. Spiritual Quotient.
@yusufbest but get back to your analogy. you can also tell a 3 year old that there are flying horses and orcs, and he will believe you without questioning. This is the same with religion, people with extreeemely high SQ would do ANYTHING in the name of god as soon as they are told to. but someone with high IQ would think of it first... My SQ is nearly zero but i am convinced that i wouldn't harm anyone, regarding to your "peace" argument.
@silicium555, kinetic energy is everywhere but the three year old cannot perceived.. You were once in a womb and have no concept of this world. You had eyes but had yet to see anything. You had ears but had yet to hear anything. At that stage, lets not even mention kinetic energy, you cant perceive anything much. Yet you survived receiving sustenance through your mum.. Cant you not see the mercy of God there? If not, then its not that its not there, you have yet to perceived it :)
@yusufbest The most important is, that there no correlations between being good/evil and the IQ SQ,,etc. But it is much more easier to MANIPULATE persons with lower IQ. Mostly believers have lower lower IQ and tend to follow blindly their religious leaders. So THERE is the danger, not with the religion itself but with their leaders who sometimes tend to abuse religion for their own purposes. Religion is the opium of the people, unfortunately.
@silicium555, yes most people with low IQs are easier to manipulate. Sometimes they believe that Iraq really had weapons of mass destruction and even after that they believed America is in Libya for the sake of freedom and not oil. However people with high SQ, they are people who wants to get close to God. Their hearts, mind and soul are devoted and focused to one common goal which is the reunion with the Beloved. Lies and deception of the world cannot take them away from this path.
@yusufbest With the first point I totally agree with you. This is also a very sad fact! Which, as you want to point out does not have to do anything with religion. Politics for sure, is a total sick thing too. The second point, is also totally alright. as long as they are friendly to others. but tell me, what do you say for the apostasy-death-penalty in islam, if you are born muslim, you have NO choice but being muslim, or else you die. i mean to clear human mind, this is totally SICK.
@yusufbest@apostasie: in the quran it doesnt say, that someone has to be killed, but some hadiths say yes. and the strong opinion of the islamic law schools is identical: death penalty for apostasie.
The Qur’aan is the read out by Allaah of a human language (Arabic) that came by way of the evolution - Declaration of the duality of oneness.
Nothing in this world is free from bias, beginning the word science; it brings to mind exclusivity, which is its downside: a servitude to colonialism, opposite of its claim, it closes the mind. But if used the word “Knowledge” the perspective is different – inclusive, and the mind opens up! Yet, science = knowledge!
"Science is a tool, it's a mechanism of observations, and it's got a system. Leave it there."
That's correct. Although science doesn't have much to say on the subject of god, evolution is still an observable phenomenon. If you want to make a issue about it, making it seem contrary to the belief in your god, that is your perogative.
"One has to take a leap of faith. This is where Science has a problem. And, I don't blame it. I don't expect Science to take a leap of faith and say 'there is a God'. Science is a tool, it's a mechanism of observations, and it's got a system. Leave it there. No one has asked it to become a believer. We must use it, as means by which, as a tool to reach out objectives as human beings."
My brother and I started watching his lectures on videotape.
When debating with someone who does not believe.... this is usually how it goes. I argue that religion and evolution and co-exist. Also we have to understand that evolution is a theory. They rebuttal by saying that religion to them seems to be a theory also... how does one respond to that?!
Islam claims that man literally comes from water and dust and made from clay. That is the official story from the Qur'an. Humans share about 95% of the chromosomes of a chimpanzee. How many chromosomes do Humans share with clay? Probably 0%.
@ them comments about useless body parts. just because we haven't yet DISCOVERED the purpose of certain body parts doesn't mean they are useless. everything has a purpose.
Great lecture. This is the first time I heard someone accept science and it's challenges to conventional theistic religion and do an interesting presentation.
Thanks for the upload...
Details of the "Origin" is something almost everyone craves to know. But, to me, there is no satisfactory answer. Present laws of physics cannot predict what happened before the Big Bang. Theists use this as a point to prove God. Philosophies like Buddhism say Change is eternal. Are we really wasting time?
of course macroevolution has been seen in labs. and how do you explain all the transitional species fossils discovered? there is no "missing link". for every 12 "links" that have been found, a creationist wants 12 more. thats a concept creationists have taught each other because they do not understand evolution. it is not actually necessary to have fossils in order to show our relation to other species anyways. they certainly do help with a lot of the studies, but are not required nonetheless.
even if god did exist and made the universe what makes people think he/she/it cares about us? how do you know it can even think or have any thought. for all i care its a giant ball o gas that shits out organic matter.
Just simply mention the details what is said in Qur'aan and hadith about creation of mankind and the earth, and you will immediately see it can never be reconciled with what we know about universe and mankind. It's as simple as that, no need to talk about it in such vague words like this. So either islam is wrong, or Allah is willingly deluding us and making it all look we share a common ancestor with apes, but we really are not and if we do believe it, we are going to hell for it.
@agentrazor actually, we should be the ones wishing you good luck because science has proven that we come from apes, but you havent been able to provide a single piece of evidence that we havent. Good luck with THAT. And btw, if you ever did prove we didnt come from apes, I am sure you would win the years Nobel Prize.
@zebrarraz Considering I am a university undergraduate wth a specialist in molecular cell biology and human genetics, and you are a who-knows what, dont teach me whats "scientificly" right or wrong. You are the one who needs to go look up a book on evolution.
@zebrarraz i dont think i ever said evolution right=no god. However, the reason that I believe there is not god is because of critical thought to evidence and scientific reason. I have many reasons god doesnt exist, and I know others have a million other reasons god doesnt exist, while all theists have are their human-compiled holy books which they cite as absolute truth
ok. u need a thumbprint of God before you can worship HIm. thats a reasonable excuse. how bout life after death? do u need a thumbrint of your soul too, before you believe that you have a soul?
@yusufbest considering that the soul is simply a belief-based entity, yes i would need evidence to believe that a soul really exists (soul in a physical sense, not a poetic one)
@yusufbest saying that you believing you have a soul means you "know" yourself is a joke first of all. secondly, death is the death of biological function of the body.
@yusufbest you dont know you have a soul either, you BELIEVE you have a soul. i can prove i have a mind so obviously i believe i have a mind. thats the difference between your ludicrous assertion and my rational claim. and i wouldnt need the thumbprint of either the soul or the mind because they probably dont have thumbs.
i wasnt a clot of blood ever. the purpose of in between is to live
ok..so lets continue our discussion on death. whats your personal take on your own death.. I mean we have friends or maybe relatives that have died. Im not sure bout it. but do atheists have any sentiments towards death? like fear, or maybe sadness.. that the faces we think belong to us are simply going to return to earth one day. loved ones are going to go. is anything real then?
I know I have a soul becos I need different proofs from you. different people have different needs. an atheists need a physical proof for something thats not physical. but others dont.
but Im curious. how do you prove the existence of your mind? :)
There is plenty of evidence for the mind being epiphenomenon of the brain, ask neural scientists, I am pretty sure they can explain it in detail what happens and how.
I have empirical evidence that tomorrow exists, wanna know how, reply to this post tomorrow.
@yusufbest sure i would be sad if a relative died but at the least, i would be happy that he/she was able to be a part of this universe and have the previlege of coming into existence and being able to give something to the world and gain something from it in the meanwhile. is life so small and meaningless that we cant be happy with just one life? people come and go. they didnt exist before they were born and wont exist after they die. i dont get what that has to do with anything being real
You people don't know everything about both religion and science. Maybe you need to learn everything first, and then start commenting here on youtube about evolution and religion. The reason why I am saying this is because all I see is stupid silly questions and answers in the comments. All they do is just cause arguments.
evolution is the truth, I think anyone who believes any sort of creationist story is crazy. But if you want to believe in a God who set Evolution and life into motion...then I guess you can make an argument even if I don't think its right. But those creationists are crazy and stupid.
Evn if u beleve dat der isnt ny adam n eve, it dnt mean dat der is no GOD. der is a creato of all dez fngz rnd us. evrytng cmz from smtin obviously. ppl hu dnt want ot belve in GOD jst wnt 2 mke SIN and have fun in life and die. Evluton wnt be that smrt 2 mke evry part of r body perfect e.g. eye lash 2 stp dst frm gtng in2 eye, eybrw 2 stp light getting direct to eye, eye 2 see wer you are going, ear to hear, legs to walk n mny mor. evlton is nt dat smrt 2 mke us lke dat no mta hw lng it took
@guvna747 yes I have a bit but not all of it as it started to get dumber as the pages go by also what is up with your spelling i cant work out a lot of what you say as it is txt words
I think you said Evolution will not be that smart to make a perfect eye well did you know the eye is not perfect at all it has many problems with it for one do you know how blind we are just look on the light spectrum and you will see how blind we are
Apologies about the spelling as i was trying to fit to the text.
and it does not matter about how blind we are in the way you are explaining it, how can we get even a little bit of power on the eye to have the ability to see. This is too complex to form by itself. and can you tell me some good websites about evolution and religion if you do know any as i still want to learn more thank you.
@guvna747 you keep thinking of Evolution as a living being its not that at all its natural selection
lets say a new born has a mutation in its DNA that helps that new born fight off a virus that is killing 99% of all new borns because of that mutation that is now keeping that new born alive that new born can grow up and pass that mutation on letting its offspring live to keep passing that mutation on and so on now 100 years later on you can bet a lot more of that specie has this mutation
lmao why u act like u kno what u talking about r u a doctor or go to religion school.. dont think so jus trying to be smart an hate the truth just like everyother pig like u lol take it easy smart ass!
@actedit y cant you spell I have Dyslexia and i can spell a lot better then you and no i am not a doctor you don't need to be a doctor to know how evolution works and y intelligent design and god is just made up and y do I need to have gone to a religious school to know anything about god also on a note god and religion is no way the truth but science is the truth the one goal of science is to learn the truth about things that's y doctors need to know science to do well at there job
NECK RIB(1 percent of the population), DARWINS POINT(is occasionally found in modern humans), SUBCLAVIUS MUSCLE, PALMARIS MUSCLE, MALE NIPPLES, ERECTOR PILI, APPENDIX, BODY HAIR(most of the hair left on the human body serves no function), THIRTEENTH RIB, MALE UTERUS, FIFTH TOE, FEMALE VAS DEFERENS, PYRAMIDALIS MUSCLE, COCCYX
Yet again it is still very perfect to what we already have. as an example like you said male nipples are not needed its still not doing any harm is it. and what ever we have so far are too complex to be formed by itself. another example how would evolution know by itself that the eye would need eye lashes to prevent dust. you see these are the kinds of things i get confused about.
LOL Your stupid and crazy you nut case. Get a life by learning about every religion and science properly then speak up. Other than that, keep it to yourself.
Rajabali is the perfect example of the kind of logic that crashes planes into buildings. according to him, what is not completely good is completely evil. people with these thought processes are dangerous for mankind, and they beleive to be good people, when they exceed in rage and anger.
This guy does an excellent job of explaining the faesability of both religion and atheist views. Its a very difficult topic to explain hence I think this is a pretty good attempt. Bottom line is if atheists want to prove their point they need to categorically prove God doesn't exist with complete clarity, that is the ultimate challenge which is not possible.
Presumably the DNA of Adam and Eve was made perfect by god when they were both created. After that god must have introduced flaws in the their DNA that gave rise to human disease. If not, then why then are these mistakes present in DNA? The funny thing is these DNA mistakes, the ones that give rise to diseases such as arthritis are also present in the DNA of many mammals. Did these animals also upset god that day in the garden of Eden?
Disease, death and destruction are part of God's creation because these help human development and people are being constantly put to test in order to remind them that God is watching everything people do. Let's assume that there is no diseases, no wars,no destruction and everything is fine and also assume no body dies. Can anybody explain this scenario? The world will be a boring place where nobody need to invent anything.
Nylon was invented in 1935. I would welcome anyone who could tell me that it was invented any earlier. A bacteria was recently found in a nylon factory that could only live by digesting certain by-products of nylon, so could not have existed before 1935. Did god move in a mysterious way and create this bacteria? If he did then why? Did he think nylon was something that ought be got rid of?
Of course he does move in mysterious ways because he exercises universal power. If you invent anything else; there will be some thing for Atheists to talk about. My question to you is that where does this disprove God. When God created everything from the beginning to the end everything exists in his knowledge. What if somebody invented nylon long before, would that mean bacteria wouldn't exist?
You're ASSUMING bacteria evolved to digest nylon. Bacteria were created very versatile. Many genes exist for digesting different types of compounds of many characteristics including synthetic.
If anything I can use that as proof of intelligent design by saying that since nylon is man made, the bacteria were created intelligently ahead of time to deal with nylon in the future.
You see you can interpret it anyway you want. Fact: DNA is organization.
"If anything I can use that as proof of intelligent design by saying that since nylon is man made, the bacteria were created intelligently ahead of time to deal with nylon in the future."
How could these nylon-eating bacteria survive without eating a nylon until 1935 ?
MrLDStephens, please be specific. "And what if the universe has always existed"? Are you suggesting that Science is going to renege on its earlier, if extant position that the earth is expanding which suggest that going back in time, it necessarily must have started at a singular point, which you call the big bang (the Plank Moment. Please don't be reactionary by attempting to reject a proposition simply of its theological explanation and/or validation. Quite illogical of logical positivists
Killing to build an empire is hardly laudable. But killing for god's empire is ok? What kind of god wants part of 'HIS' creations to kill other parts? Islam's god. Its complete bollocks. PS big MO WAS a tyrant but HE claimed god on his side.. clever enough to delude his feeble minded followers, still fooling them now, on youtube
As for the saint above, rhetoric, mystical ramblings of a spiritual materialist who can't let go of a life time of indoctrination in spite of his scientific knowledge
Here : Someone can believe in God or not believe in God. Either way, it doesn't remove or support the existance of God. IT doesn't affect God at all if someone believes in His existance or not.
Now some people believe in the Big Bang. Whether the BIg Bang did happen or not, there still has to be a Creator that made and decided everything to happen.
You can't have something (what is created and matter...) out of nothing.
I'm afraid that, according to quantum mechanics, you can. And what if the universe has always existed? No need for a creator. You don;t need a 'creator' to explain how life got started, so why invoke one?
i know numerous people who don't believe in god and are arrogant as a result of that! why? because rejecting god (to the people im referring to) is somehow a trigger for those individuals to think that they can know everything there is to know about the universe and beyond. this is not the case, whether u believe in god or not. observe socrates philosophical views. truth is, human beings know very very little there is to know about the grand scheme, and that's the reality! just live a good life
I think the smartest people on this world are the ones who are open-minded enough to say: "I am uncertain of the existence of God." ~ Someone who realizes that it is difficult to accept or reject the notion, but rather, live by good morals and make the best of this life.
-Socrates: He who knows most is he who knows that he does not know (much)!
ehrm... is it a joke? somebody trying to use a religion book as a science book? hmmm it is like deciding the result of an equation BEFORE trying to solve it.... and then changing the basic rules of maths to make it fit. I don't know how he got his degrees but sure he has not idea what is the scientific method. He uses big words but i'm not sure he master them... but i'm sure it is a joke... SURE!
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The universe is eternal. Matter = energy. Big Bang was not the beginning.
Evil is Evil because we agree it's evil. The idea of evil was a survival trait in pre-historic cooperative human tribes. "Do unto others..." and all that.
At the end of the day, there either IS a god, or there ISNT. So, there is no real meeting point between atheism and religion. All we're left with is religion trying to cozy up to science.
The universe has a natural cause, not a supernatural one.
I quote : "Evil is evil because we agree its evil"
That is a false statement. First, it is based on "we" and what do you mean by "we" ?. Does we refer to a specific nation or group of people. I could say capital punishment is wrong because it makes me feel this evil but when I think about it, prison is way more evil than capital punishment. How do I know that, well I try to elaborate the pros and cons based on treatment of the criminal. But I can do that only if I have a complete knowledge.
i think morality, in its most essential root, is interpreted in very similar ways in every nation or group. there seem to be inherent understandings of good and bad among cultures
A truth statement like 'the universe is eternal' requires some proof in order to be considered valid. Without proof you are simply making a baseless assertion.
The standard of existence is that things are 'caused'. To say that the universe is eternal is to essentially conflict with all that we observe. However if one says that it was caused we must make an exception, to have an uncaused cause, which Muslims call God.
How odd - you can't dismiss the 'eternal nature' of the universe and then apply different rules to the 'eternal nature' of god. That's cheating I'm afraid. You don;t get to decide on exceptions. One rule for all.
the universe is not eternal because it had a begining.
Everything in the universe and earth is born, and dies, stars, galaxies, plants animals ppl even rocks, this is fact.
If i went to the scrap yard and made a billion bombs, and i said to you the result of the bombs was a new bmw m3 with a full tank of gas, you would think i was crazy, do it for an aoen and you would never get an m3.
So what make you think there is no designer, engineer, planner behind the universe? Is it your own arrogance?
You're missing my point I'm afraid. I am making no claims at all. I don't pretend to have the answers. I'm merely suggesting that you don't NEED to invoke the idea of god to explain things. As I make no claims, it is rather unfair to call me 'arrogant', and it does your faith no credit to be so rude.
Excuse his aggressive comments. If you have any questions regarding the concept of God, and proof of Islam feel free to ask me whenever you feel you must.
Thank you, but I don't quite understand how you would have the answers rather than the rude, aggressive boy. You are certainly more polite and obviously more inteliigent, but that still doesn't mean you have the answers.
Is that so? And what leads you to believe that? What is your perspective of God? What is it that makes you think that God is non-existent and nothing more than a myth created by man and his deception to find answers to that he does not know?
My persepective of 'god' is the same as my perspective of fairies and leprechauns. In the absence of evidence, I see no reason to believe. Atheism is not a belief that god does NOT exist - it is the absence of belief in his existence. This is a very important point. It's not that I think fairies do not exist - I just have an absence of belief in them. Why would god be any different?
I see evidence in the things around us. Look at the enourmous complexity of a single cell. Its macro equivelent is a city, with roads, communications, power, library, defence etc etc.
I find it hard to believe in a world where there was no divine inspiration.
We all think we are so clever, infact all we do is rearange whats around us, we don't actually created anything, be it IVF, gene modifications or whatever, everything that inspires us is taken from natures examples. Divine Inspiration.
I take your point, but just because something is 'hard to believe'. that doesn't make it untrue! People found it hard to believe that the earth was round. All those things you list don't actually NEED divine inspiration to make them happen. So why invoke it? It just muddies the waters.
Well I ain't asking that. I don't understand what your talking about there. You may need to explain that a bit more or just answer my question. Along with that, would you mind if I just ask you what faith are you. An atheists or what?
LOL Well maybe your stupid as you can't even answer my question. If you don't know then admit it. There is no need to call me stupid. At least I am using my own knowledge of learning everything instead of wasting time sitting on your fat ass commenting to people that they are stupid. But thank you for calling me stupid as it tells me that you know nothing.
can you put the @(username) when you make a post to someone or its hard to know who your asking things to if your asking me whos side I am on then it has to be the atheist side :)
Read back your comment - then apply the same rule to the existence of god. He must have had a designer too.You can't have it both ways, using one rule when you want to and another when you don't
The thing is 'the rules' don't apply to the rule maker do they?
How can the creator of time be bound by it?
At the end of the day, I see evidence for a creator all around us. If you can't see it then to you yours. I personally think ppl who think all things big and small came with no guiding force are delusional. Something doesn't come from nothing.
I'm a programmer, so I know random taps on a pc won't generate this massive simulation we are in. 1 keystoke wrong and it don't work!
If you are a prramer then you will understand the algorithmic nature of natural selection. And if you understand natural selection at a deep level, the there is no need for a 'guiding force' - it just happens, as surely as, once you have written your program, it needs no guiding force to make it run. Programming is a superb analogy for natural selection! All you need is enough time, and we know that there has been plenty of that
God doesn't have a creator because he had no beginning. Also, There is no creator before God because if there was it wouldn't stop. Now that condition is impossible because God had no beggining, and therefore had no birth. He doesn't not live in a world governed by rules like us. He is not made of matter or constiued of atoms. He created all of that and made its beggining so he can't be made of that
But don't you see that you are making wild assumptions based on zero evidence here? 'he is not made of matter' - how do you know? 'he doesn't live in a wolrd governed by rules like us' - how do you know?
if you think that God is made of matter like you and I, than that means He did not exist before the Big Bang, and therefore did not cause the Big Bang.
God is above His creation, and that includes ALL matter
It's no wonder most religious people deny evolution and can't even define it. By definition, evolution is the theory that explains the DIVERSITY of life, not its origins.
As for Darwins book, if you've read it, you'd know what he meant by the title. He explains in it the origins of SPECIES not the origins of life. He explains where all species originated from, how they evolved from previous ones, and how it is impossible that they have been created individually.
Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of quantum theory knows that particles of matter pop into existence out of 'nothing' all the time, with no need for a 'creator'. The whole idea of a 'creator' seems just intellectual laziness. The rationale appears to be 'I can't explain it, it's too impossible, it must be god'. This has been the case throughout history, with religion trying to pull back while science pushes forward.
knob end at least he was someone you could have seen, unlike your magic pop tart particles, quantum theory is fairy tales mate, science has looped in on itself.
'quantum theory is fairy tales' - so you know better than Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking, Lee Smolin and every other great physicist of the past 80 years. And you call me arrogant?
would you not agree that areas of quantum theory are simple put bonkers?
I think so I have seen a few docs on it and its crazy, it goes against normal scientific principles, everytime there seems to be new particle on the block, thing is no one can see these things, not with any tecnology, these particles are picofied of the size of electrons
So why is it so hard for you to believe in the supreme? Thats much more plausable, and its serves the purpose of filling that void in your belly, the one food doesnt fill.
Such is the weirdness of quantum mechanics. I thoroughly recommend you read into this fascinating topic. It's very interesting and will make you THINK.
Didnt say I had all the answers, I'm just a truth seeker.
I'll give you answer, you know of infinity.
You can't comprehend it though can you?
Same with God, we know of God but we can't comprehend his nature.
God exist out of the space time continuem, he created space & time and subjected the universe to it. There is no beforeHim, no after Him, he is the source, he is the architect.
I personally say the more you learn the more you realis you dont know anything really, its just a tiny fraction.
Read what you've written. You are making some very grand statements about the nature of god. If I made similar claims in similar language you would rightly accuse me of arrogance. We don't 'KNOW' of god, other than that which we think we know. Faith does not require evidence, so matters of faith cannot be stated as facts.
God does exist. To be a created you must have a creator . This is a golden rule. Also, the other golden rule is that you can't have something out of nothing. Therefore, there is a Creator.
The reason people don't believe in God is because of their feelings. Its because they are afraid of reality, that's why they don't believe.
In that case, god needs a creator, silly boy. You can't apply one rule when you feel like it and then not apply the same rule when it's not convenient.
See, the thing is that there are books that take quotations of the Quran and expand and elaborate regarding the characteristics of Allah or God which are much different to what most atheists are accustomed to.
It is rather interesting to note that one of Allah's 99 names is 'Al-Bari' which in English is translated as 'The Evolver'
Sura 16 doesn't say you can drink wine. Maybe your stupidity makes you think thats what it says. It doesn't even mention wine in that Sura. Your evil mind is trying to bring up lies.
16.67: 'and from the fruits you have the palm and vine, from which you get wine and healthful nutriment: in this, truly, are signs for those who reflect'
It has variously been translated as 'intoxicating liquor', 'strong drink' and 'inebriating liquor' by people far more learned than you or I
Wow good job reading it in English. I know arabic, I speak it and I can understand it. I know what wine/alcohol in arabic is. And there is no mention in the arabic text which is the real Quran.
What the verse talks about is the fact that people takes nourishment from fruits given to them by their Lord. Even IF IT DID and I say IF, there is nothing in that verse that permits drinking wine..
I am merely quoting Ibn Warraq, a very learned ex-muslim scholar; he is far more qualified than you or I to pass comment on this issue. I suggest you research more into this before you attempt the 'I speak arabic' argument. You are on very shaky ground I'm afraid
Its true, anyone can put an appearance and say that they lived in a Muslim country and that they were a Muslim scholar. But in the end, he was just trying to bring down Islam and his efforts were futile.
He grew up a devout muslim in a muslim country, becoming a well-respected muslim scholar. He then saw the error of his ways and became an apostate. He now has to live under a pseudonym because of threats to his life for renouncing his faith. How do you feel about this?
Allhamdoo-lilah we are blessed to have such a wonderful person like Hassanain Rajabali who is really telling all of us muslim and non muslim alike the truth about the quality Islam of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his ahlulbayt (A.S.)
ihs51 1 month ago
I have been looking for someone this knowledgeable and articulate on these matters for a long time...SO GREAT!!!! :)
spicymuffinsoup 4 months ago
MashA this man speaks so well and such truth!
thank you for uploading!
Peace
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26anonymous26 7 months ago
But also you can't say there IS a God Mr. Rajabali, if you can't say there is not. But you can believe it:)
silicium555 9 months ago
@silicium555, try explaining existence of kinetic energy to a three year old kid. peace :)
yusufbest 9 months ago
@yusufbest well thaaat's not an argument my dear. We are all grown ups, but evidently people with higher IQ tend not to be religious, they are, but in a more abstract way. See Albert Einstein for example said that he is religious in a different way, in which you can read this in his memoriums.
silicium555 9 months ago
@silicium555,
yes it is not an argument darling. It is an analogy. People with higher IQ do stupid things all the time. Thats why its important to have EQ and also AQ in this world. but to have peace in this world and the next, you need SQ too. Spiritual Quotient.
yusufbest 9 months ago
@yusufbest but get back to your analogy. you can also tell a 3 year old that there are flying horses and orcs, and he will believe you without questioning. This is the same with religion, people with extreeemely high SQ would do ANYTHING in the name of god as soon as they are told to. but someone with high IQ would think of it first... My SQ is nearly zero but i am convinced that i wouldn't harm anyone, regarding to your "peace" argument.
silicium555 9 months ago
@silicium555, kinetic energy is everywhere but the three year old cannot perceived.. You were once in a womb and have no concept of this world. You had eyes but had yet to see anything. You had ears but had yet to hear anything. At that stage, lets not even mention kinetic energy, you cant perceive anything much. Yet you survived receiving sustenance through your mum.. Cant you not see the mercy of God there? If not, then its not that its not there, you have yet to perceived it :)
yusufbest 9 months ago 5
@yusufbest The most important is, that there no correlations between being good/evil and the IQ SQ,,etc. But it is much more easier to MANIPULATE persons with lower IQ. Mostly believers have lower lower IQ and tend to follow blindly their religious leaders. So THERE is the danger, not with the religion itself but with their leaders who sometimes tend to abuse religion for their own purposes. Religion is the opium of the people, unfortunately.
silicium555 9 months ago
@silicium555, yes most people with low IQs are easier to manipulate. Sometimes they believe that Iraq really had weapons of mass destruction and even after that they believed America is in Libya for the sake of freedom and not oil. However people with high SQ, they are people who wants to get close to God. Their hearts, mind and soul are devoted and focused to one common goal which is the reunion with the Beloved. Lies and deception of the world cannot take them away from this path.
yusufbest 9 months ago
@yusufbest With the first point I totally agree with you. This is also a very sad fact! Which, as you want to point out does not have to do anything with religion. Politics for sure, is a total sick thing too. The second point, is also totally alright. as long as they are friendly to others. but tell me, what do you say for the apostasy-death-penalty in islam, if you are born muslim, you have NO choice but being muslim, or else you die. i mean to clear human mind, this is totally SICK.
silicium555 9 months ago
@yusufbest @apostasie: in the quran it doesnt say, that someone has to be killed, but some hadiths say yes. and the strong opinion of the islamic law schools is identical: death penalty for apostasie.
silicium555 9 months ago
i surpassed this man in knowledge ;) ;) ;) ;)
Yaylin2 9 months ago
The Qur’aan is the read out by Allaah of a human language (Arabic) that came by way of the evolution - Declaration of the duality of oneness.
Nothing in this world is free from bias, beginning the word science; it brings to mind exclusivity, which is its downside: a servitude to colonialism, opposite of its claim, it closes the mind. But if used the word “Knowledge” the perspective is different – inclusive, and the mind opens up! Yet, science = knowledge!
Soomtu 10 months ago 22
@Soomtu Type on Adam Deen "Does Allah exist" to watch a great debate with an atheist.
kupekake 4 months ago
So the question should have been can evolution and Islam be compatible to one another. Thoughts about this?
theyasin33 1 year ago
"Science is a tool, it's a mechanism of observations, and it's got a system. Leave it there."
That's correct. Although science doesn't have much to say on the subject of god, evolution is still an observable phenomenon. If you want to make a issue about it, making it seem contrary to the belief in your god, that is your perogative.
TurboDally 1 year ago
I love this man:
24:05
"One has to take a leap of faith. This is where Science has a problem. And, I don't blame it. I don't expect Science to take a leap of faith and say 'there is a God'. Science is a tool, it's a mechanism of observations, and it's got a system. Leave it there. No one has asked it to become a believer. We must use it, as means by which, as a tool to reach out objectives as human beings."
My brother and I started watching his lectures on videotape.
hammadhaider 1 year ago
When debating with someone who does not believe.... this is usually how it goes. I argue that religion and evolution and co-exist. Also we have to understand that evolution is a theory. They rebuttal by saying that religion to them seems to be a theory also... how does one respond to that?!
sfrizk 1 year ago
Thanx bro for uploading
Subtitledclips 1 year ago
Why do humans have tail bone?
pedophile23 1 year ago
@pedophile23 so that you may sit comfortably
firdhaus 1 year ago
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Islam claims that man literally comes from water and dust and made from clay. That is the official story from the Qur'an. Humans share about 95% of the chromosomes of a chimpanzee. How many chromosomes do Humans share with clay? Probably 0%.
buddhasknowbest 1 year ago
O_O evolution is complicated?
We replicated it with animals ourselves.
We made 'artificial evolution' by selecting which animals or plants we breed.
MithranArkanere 1 year ago
@ them comments about useless body parts. just because we haven't yet DISCOVERED the purpose of certain body parts doesn't mean they are useless. everything has a purpose.
wartext 1 year ago
Great lecture. This is the first time I heard someone accept science and it's challenges to conventional theistic religion and do an interesting presentation.
Thanks for the upload...
Details of the "Origin" is something almost everyone craves to know. But, to me, there is no satisfactory answer. Present laws of physics cannot predict what happened before the Big Bang. Theists use this as a point to prove God. Philosophies like Buddhism say Change is eternal. Are we really wasting time?
kokopingo 1 year ago
great lecture. bravo
daedaehott 1 year ago
of course macroevolution has been seen in labs. and how do you explain all the transitional species fossils discovered? there is no "missing link". for every 12 "links" that have been found, a creationist wants 12 more. thats a concept creationists have taught each other because they do not understand evolution. it is not actually necessary to have fossils in order to show our relation to other species anyways. they certainly do help with a lot of the studies, but are not required nonetheless.
alahossain 1 year ago
even if god did exist and made the universe what makes people think he/she/it cares about us? how do you know it can even think or have any thought. for all i care its a giant ball o gas that shits out organic matter.
totally reasonable
teedonster 1 year ago
Just simply mention the details what is said in Qur'aan and hadith about creation of mankind and the earth, and you will immediately see it can never be reconciled with what we know about universe and mankind. It's as simple as that, no need to talk about it in such vague words like this. So either islam is wrong, or Allah is willingly deluding us and making it all look we share a common ancestor with apes, but we really are not and if we do believe it, we are going to hell for it.
sables1000 1 year ago
@agentrazor actually, we should be the ones wishing you good luck because science has proven that we come from apes, but you havent been able to provide a single piece of evidence that we havent. Good luck with THAT. And btw, if you ever did prove we didnt come from apes, I am sure you would win the years Nobel Prize.
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador Dude we did not come from apes. Like scientificly we did not. Go look it up. It doesnt mean we didnt evolve, but it wasnt from apes
zebrarraz 1 year ago
@zebrarraz Considering I am a university undergraduate wth a specialist in molecular cell biology and human genetics, and you are a who-knows what, dont teach me whats "scientificly" right or wrong. You are the one who needs to go look up a book on evolution.
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador well you should go back because we didnt we are from the same family according to evolution. Not from modern day apes
zebrarraz 1 year ago
@elborrador and um by the way. I dont have to prove we didnt cause that doesnt prove god doesnt exist does it.
zebrarraz 1 year ago
@zebrarraz no idea what that means
elborrador 1 year ago
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zebrarraz 1 year ago
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zebrarraz 1 year ago
@zebrarraz i dont think i ever said evolution right=no god. However, the reason that I believe there is not god is because of critical thought to evidence and scientific reason. I have many reasons god doesnt exist, and I know others have a million other reasons god doesnt exist, while all theists have are their human-compiled holy books which they cite as absolute truth
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador,
ok. u need a thumbprint of God before you can worship HIm. thats a reasonable excuse. how bout life after death? do u need a thumbrint of your soul too, before you believe that you have a soul?
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest considering that the soul is simply a belief-based entity, yes i would need evidence to believe that a soul really exists (soul in a physical sense, not a poetic one)
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador,
:) if you do not even know your self, how can you ever know God? anyway,
lets not discuss God. lets discuss death since it is common to all humans. whats death to you?
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest saying that you believing you have a soul means you "know" yourself is a joke first of all. secondly, death is the death of biological function of the body.
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador,
no. what I mean is if you dont even know whether you have or dont have a soul, then somethings wrong with you. then the joke is on you.
do u know whether u have a mind or not? or do u need a thumbprint as well?
anyway, lets discuss death. u were a clot of blood once and going to be a rotten corpse one day. what is the purpose of the in between then?
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest you dont know you have a soul either, you BELIEVE you have a soul. i can prove i have a mind so obviously i believe i have a mind. thats the difference between your ludicrous assertion and my rational claim. and i wouldnt need the thumbprint of either the soul or the mind because they probably dont have thumbs.
i wasnt a clot of blood ever. the purpose of in between is to live
elborrador 1 year ago
@elborrador, :) thanks for your answer.
ok..so lets continue our discussion on death. whats your personal take on your own death.. I mean we have friends or maybe relatives that have died. Im not sure bout it. but do atheists have any sentiments towards death? like fear, or maybe sadness.. that the faces we think belong to us are simply going to return to earth one day. loved ones are going to go. is anything real then?
yusufbest 1 year ago
I know I have a soul becos I need different proofs from you. different people have different needs. an atheists need a physical proof for something thats not physical. but others dont.
but Im curious. how do you prove the existence of your mind? :)
yusufbest 1 year ago
The mind is an epiphenomena n of the brain, no brain no mind, brain evolved with us, animals have brains to, theirs have not evolved like ours.
Does that answer your question?
Cheers,
Zaim
lipoja100 1 year ago
@lipoja100,
:) good answer. But wheres the empirical evidence for this statement of yours?
I would also request for empirical evidence that tomorrow exist.
thanks
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest
There is plenty of evidence for the mind being epiphenomenon of the brain, ask neural scientists, I am pretty sure they can explain it in detail what happens and how.
I have empirical evidence that tomorrow exists, wanna know how, reply to this post tomorrow.
Cheers
lipoja100 1 year ago
@lipoja100,
how?
yusufbest 1 year ago
@yusufbest sure i would be sad if a relative died but at the least, i would be happy that he/she was able to be a part of this universe and have the previlege of coming into existence and being able to give something to the world and gain something from it in the meanwhile. is life so small and meaningless that we cant be happy with just one life? people come and go. they didnt exist before they were born and wont exist after they die. i dont get what that has to do with anything being real
elborrador 1 year ago
Atleast Christians and Muslims have a few things in common...most notably their gullibility for believing in fairy tales and idiotic creation stories
dietsnapple89 1 year ago
@agentrazor
yeah your right, we were made from mud!!
good luck with that...
munier88 1 year ago
Lol, go blow yourself up kid, then you'll see that your whole life is a lie
dietsnapple89 1 year ago
wow another dumb comment from a typicall retarded uneducated fool...
trancegurl84 1 year ago
You people don't know everything about both religion and science. Maybe you need to learn everything first, and then start commenting here on youtube about evolution and religion. The reason why I am saying this is because all I see is stupid silly questions and answers in the comments. All they do is just cause arguments.
guvna747 1 year ago
evolution is the truth, I think anyone who believes any sort of creationist story is crazy. But if you want to believe in a God who set Evolution and life into motion...then I guess you can make an argument even if I don't think its right. But those creationists are crazy and stupid.
dietsnapple89 1 year ago
Evn if u beleve dat der isnt ny adam n eve, it dnt mean dat der is no GOD. der is a creato of all dez fngz rnd us. evrytng cmz from smtin obviously. ppl hu dnt want ot belve in GOD jst wnt 2 mke SIN and have fun in life and die. Evluton wnt be that smrt 2 mke evry part of r body perfect e.g. eye lash 2 stp dst frm gtng in2 eye, eybrw 2 stp light getting direct to eye, eye 2 see wer you are going, ear to hear, legs to walk n mny mor. evlton is nt dat smrt 2 mke us lke dat no mta hw lng it took
guvna747 1 year ago
@guvna747 yes I have a bit but not all of it as it started to get dumber as the pages go by also what is up with your spelling i cant work out a lot of what you say as it is txt words
I think you said Evolution will not be that smart to make a perfect eye well did you know the eye is not perfect at all it has many problems with it for one do you know how blind we are just look on the light spectrum and you will see how blind we are
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
Apologies about the spelling as i was trying to fit to the text.
and it does not matter about how blind we are in the way you are explaining it, how can we get even a little bit of power on the eye to have the ability to see. This is too complex to form by itself. and can you tell me some good websites about evolution and religion if you do know any as i still want to learn more thank you.
guvna747 1 year ago
@guvna747 you keep thinking of Evolution as a living being its not that at all its natural selection
lets say a new born has a mutation in its DNA that helps that new born fight off a virus that is killing 99% of all new borns because of that mutation that is now keeping that new born alive that new born can grow up and pass that mutation on letting its offspring live to keep passing that mutation on and so on now 100 years later on you can bet a lot more of that specie has this mutation
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
@AndrewBouchierUK
lmao why u act like u kno what u talking about r u a doctor or go to religion school.. dont think so jus trying to be smart an hate the truth just like everyother pig like u lol take it easy smart ass!
actedit 1 year ago
@actedit y cant you spell I have Dyslexia and i can spell a lot better then you and no i am not a doctor you don't need to be a doctor to know how evolution works and y intelligent design and god is just made up and y do I need to have gone to a religious school to know anything about god also on a note god and religion is no way the truth but science is the truth the one goal of science is to learn the truth about things that's y doctors need to know science to do well at there job
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
@AndrewBouchierUK
people aren't diagnosed with dyslexia because they can't spell.
assdoooouuutttt 1 year ago
@assdoooouuutttt I got diagnosed by spelling and then my reading It is separate and distinct from reading difficulties
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
evolution is the truth backd up by so many things like DNA and creationists just go on the word of a book that was made about 2000 yrs ago
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
@AndrewBouchierUK
have you even read what it even say's on any of the books?
guvna747 1 year ago
@guvna747 also you said that all are body parts are perfect heres a list of things that are not perfect or needed
VOMERONASAL ORGAN, EXTRINSIC EAR MUSCLES, WISDOM TEETH
NECK RIB(1 percent of the population), DARWINS POINT(is occasionally found in modern humans), SUBCLAVIUS MUSCLE, PALMARIS MUSCLE, MALE NIPPLES, ERECTOR PILI, APPENDIX, BODY HAIR(most of the hair left on the human body serves no function), THIRTEENTH RIB, MALE UTERUS, FIFTH TOE, FEMALE VAS DEFERENS, PYRAMIDALIS MUSCLE, COCCYX
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
Yet again it is still very perfect to what we already have. as an example like you said male nipples are not needed its still not doing any harm is it. and what ever we have so far are too complex to be formed by itself. another example how would evolution know by itself that the eye would need eye lashes to prevent dust. you see these are the kinds of things i get confused about.
guvna747 1 year ago
@dietsnapple89
LOL Your stupid and crazy you nut case. Get a life by learning about every religion and science properly then speak up. Other than that, keep it to yourself.
guvna747 1 year ago
Rajabali is the perfect example of the kind of logic that crashes planes into buildings. according to him, what is not completely good is completely evil. people with these thought processes are dangerous for mankind, and they beleive to be good people, when they exceed in rage and anger.
sirdelrio 2 years ago
lol....... its funny how not on jew died on september 11th and all took the day off work.... hmmmmmmmmm perfect example of media brainwashing...
trancegurl84 1 year ago
@sirdelrio When did he say if something is not 100% good its 100% evil? when?
doritoesPLAY 1 year ago
This guy does an excellent job of explaining the faesability of both religion and atheist views. Its a very difficult topic to explain hence I think this is a pretty good attempt. Bottom line is if atheists want to prove their point they need to categorically prove God doesn't exist with complete clarity, that is the ultimate challenge which is not possible.
mhrazareading 2 years ago
This guys argument is all over the shop.
2cabs2toucan 2 years ago
Evolution occurring or not occurring does not affect whether God exists or not.
thefotfoundation 2 years ago 34
@thefotfoundation it does in a way because it implies that the adam and eve story is fabricated.
moh490234890238490 1 year ago
@thefotfoundation Yes, it does contradict soMe religions but it does NOT contradict God hiMself. If only people would realize this.
imrickjamesbltch 11 months ago
@thefotfoundation
Islamic scholar Ibn Khaldun asserted man came from the world of ape and is most evolved of all animals.
Another Islamic scholar Ibn Jahiz claimed environment being a factor in evolution on human beings.
It pains me to see the sort of condition we are in.
Xzibillionaire 9 months ago
Presumably the DNA of Adam and Eve was made perfect by god when they were both created. After that god must have introduced flaws in the their DNA that gave rise to human disease. If not, then why then are these mistakes present in DNA? The funny thing is these DNA mistakes, the ones that give rise to diseases such as arthritis are also present in the DNA of many mammals. Did these animals also upset god that day in the garden of Eden?
SteveArpo 2 years ago
Disease, death and destruction are part of God's creation because these help human development and people are being constantly put to test in order to remind them that God is watching everything people do. Let's assume that there is no diseases, no wars,no destruction and everything is fine and also assume no body dies. Can anybody explain this scenario? The world will be a boring place where nobody need to invent anything.
AdorIslam 2 years ago
Not only that but a world with no problems is called 'Heaven'. The purpose of this world is to ATTAIN Heaven.
TheVlogSister 2 years ago
@AdorIslam This because God, checkmate.
BradanKAnderson 1 year ago
Nylon was invented in 1935. I would welcome anyone who could tell me that it was invented any earlier. A bacteria was recently found in a nylon factory that could only live by digesting certain by-products of nylon, so could not have existed before 1935. Did god move in a mysterious way and create this bacteria? If he did then why? Did he think nylon was something that ought be got rid of?
SteveArpo 2 years ago
SteveArpo
Of course he does move in mysterious ways because he exercises universal power. If you invent anything else; there will be some thing for Atheists to talk about. My question to you is that where does this disprove God. When God created everything from the beginning to the end everything exists in his knowledge. What if somebody invented nylon long before, would that mean bacteria wouldn't exist?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
@SteveArpo "Nylon was invented in 1935."
You're ASSUMING bacteria evolved to digest nylon. Bacteria were created very versatile. Many genes exist for digesting different types of compounds of many characteristics including synthetic.
If anything I can use that as proof of intelligent design by saying that since nylon is man made, the bacteria were created intelligently ahead of time to deal with nylon in the future.
You see you can interpret it anyway you want. Fact: DNA is organization.
Peace940 2 years ago
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@Peace940
"If anything I can use that as proof of intelligent design by saying that since nylon is man made, the bacteria were created intelligently ahead of time to deal with nylon in the future."
How could these nylon-eating bacteria survive without eating a nylon until 1935 ?
maroom1 1 year ago
Question: Can Man Make Something Original, which has no Reference to our Existing world?
motowa01 1 year ago
MrLDStephens, please be specific. "And what if the universe has always existed"? Are you suggesting that Science is going to renege on its earlier, if extant position that the earth is expanding which suggest that going back in time, it necessarily must have started at a singular point, which you call the big bang (the Plank Moment. Please don't be reactionary by attempting to reject a proposition simply of its theological explanation and/or validation. Quite illogical of logical positivists
Famalang 2 years ago
Killing to build an empire is hardly laudable. But killing for god's empire is ok? What kind of god wants part of 'HIS' creations to kill other parts? Islam's god. Its complete bollocks. PS big MO WAS a tyrant but HE claimed god on his side.. clever enough to delude his feeble minded followers, still fooling them now, on youtube
As for the saint above, rhetoric, mystical ramblings of a spiritual materialist who can't let go of a life time of indoctrination in spite of his scientific knowledge
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
The alternative is killing to build a democratic empire, its the same thing.
The kind of God that wants his law's & rules established on earth.
As opposed to the Bankers rule on earth.
You can call the taliban alot of things but feeble minded isn't one of them.
One mans fool is another man philosipher.
Ones mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.
kashig3 2 years ago 2
And one man's beliefs are another man's delusions.
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
Except when one man bases his 'beliefs' on evidence.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Here : Someone can believe in God or not believe in God. Either way, it doesn't remove or support the existance of God. IT doesn't affect God at all if someone believes in His existance or not.
Now some people believe in the Big Bang. Whether the BIg Bang did happen or not, there still has to be a Creator that made and decided everything to happen.
You can't have something (what is created and matter...) out of nothing.
idricool 2 years ago 3
I'm afraid that, according to quantum mechanics, you can. And what if the universe has always existed? No need for a creator. You don;t need a 'creator' to explain how life got started, so why invoke one?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Every created being or thing has a beginning and an end. You live and die. So too this universe...
motowa01 1 year ago
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search youtube for:
The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak
it may answer questions about something and nothing also by same person origin of genes.
com/user/cdk007
makes more sense then the mystical ramblings of Rajabali
jonjoe1000 2 years ago
i know numerous people who don't believe in god and are arrogant as a result of that! why? because rejecting god (to the people im referring to) is somehow a trigger for those individuals to think that they can know everything there is to know about the universe and beyond. this is not the case, whether u believe in god or not. observe socrates philosophical views. truth is, human beings know very very little there is to know about the grand scheme, and that's the reality! just live a good life
bqureshi390 2 years ago 4
I think the smartest people on this world are the ones who are open-minded enough to say: "I am uncertain of the existence of God." ~ Someone who realizes that it is difficult to accept or reject the notion, but rather, live by good morals and make the best of this life.
-Socrates: He who knows most is he who knows that he does not know (much)!
bqureshi390 2 years ago 3
ehrm... is it a joke? somebody trying to use a religion book as a science book? hmmm it is like deciding the result of an equation BEFORE trying to solve it.... and then changing the basic rules of maths to make it fit. I don't know how he got his degrees but sure he has not idea what is the scientific method. He uses big words but i'm not sure he master them... but i'm sure it is a joke... SURE!
victorcr 2 years ago
are u sure that u understand english? really, I don't think
Bubusew 2 years ago 2
I fail to see your argument. If "but I'm sure it is a joke" is your argument, then that tells me a lot about your knowledge.
mgk786 2 years ago 2
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The universe is eternal. Matter = energy. Big Bang was not the beginning.
Evil is Evil because we agree it's evil. The idea of evil was a survival trait in pre-historic cooperative human tribes. "Do unto others..." and all that.
At the end of the day, there either IS a god, or there ISNT. So, there is no real meeting point between atheism and religion. All we're left with is religion trying to cozy up to science.
The universe has a natural cause, not a supernatural one.
Elvisdogg 2 years ago
I quote : "Evil is evil because we agree its evil"
That is a false statement. First, it is based on "we" and what do you mean by "we" ?. Does we refer to a specific nation or group of people. I could say capital punishment is wrong because it makes me feel this evil but when I think about it, prison is way more evil than capital punishment. How do I know that, well I try to elaborate the pros and cons based on treatment of the criminal. But I can do that only if I have a complete knowledge.
idricool 2 years ago
i think morality, in its most essential root, is interpreted in very similar ways in every nation or group. there seem to be inherent understandings of good and bad among cultures
bqureshi390 2 years ago
A truth statement like 'the universe is eternal' requires some proof in order to be considered valid. Without proof you are simply making a baseless assertion.
The standard of existence is that things are 'caused'. To say that the universe is eternal is to essentially conflict with all that we observe. However if one says that it was caused we must make an exception, to have an uncaused cause, which Muslims call God.
SalehUddin1986 2 years ago
How odd - you can't dismiss the 'eternal nature' of the universe and then apply different rules to the 'eternal nature' of god. That's cheating I'm afraid. You don;t get to decide on exceptions. One rule for all.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
the universe is not eternal because it had a begining.
Everything in the universe and earth is born, and dies, stars, galaxies, plants animals ppl even rocks, this is fact.
If i went to the scrap yard and made a billion bombs, and i said to you the result of the bombs was a new bmw m3 with a full tank of gas, you would think i was crazy, do it for an aoen and you would never get an m3.
So what make you think there is no designer, engineer, planner behind the universe? Is it your own arrogance?
kashig3 2 years ago
You're missing my point I'm afraid. I am making no claims at all. I don't pretend to have the answers. I'm merely suggesting that you don't NEED to invoke the idea of god to explain things. As I make no claims, it is rather unfair to call me 'arrogant', and it does your faith no credit to be so rude.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Excuse his aggressive comments. If you have any questions regarding the concept of God, and proof of Islam feel free to ask me whenever you feel you must.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Thanks for that. Nice to hear a calm, polite voice!
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Thank you, but I don't quite understand how you would have the answers rather than the rude, aggressive boy. You are certainly more polite and obviously more inteliigent, but that still doesn't mean you have the answers.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Is that so? And what leads you to believe that? What is your perspective of God? What is it that makes you think that God is non-existent and nothing more than a myth created by man and his deception to find answers to that he does not know?
Please share. I am keen to discuss this.
Peace.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
My persepective of 'god' is the same as my perspective of fairies and leprechauns. In the absence of evidence, I see no reason to believe. Atheism is not a belief that god does NOT exist - it is the absence of belief in his existence. This is a very important point. It's not that I think fairies do not exist - I just have an absence of belief in them. Why would god be any different?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
I see evidence in the things around us. Look at the enourmous complexity of a single cell. Its macro equivelent is a city, with roads, communications, power, library, defence etc etc.
I find it hard to believe in a world where there was no divine inspiration.
We all think we are so clever, infact all we do is rearange whats around us, we don't actually created anything, be it IVF, gene modifications or whatever, everything that inspires us is taken from natures examples. Divine Inspiration.
kashig3 2 years ago
I take your point, but just because something is 'hard to believe'. that doesn't make it untrue! People found it hard to believe that the earth was round. All those things you list don't actually NEED divine inspiration to make them happen. So why invoke it? It just muddies the waters.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
@ISMASHYOUBRO
I just want to ask you something. I just want to ask that why are there some errors in the Human body such as appendix. These things are not needed.
guvna747 1 year ago
probably you would ask the same thing about stem cells before they discover its uses.
khairuleven 1 year ago
@khairuleven
Well I ain't asking that. I don't understand what your talking about there. You may need to explain that a bit more or just answer my question. Along with that, would you mind if I just ask you what faith are you. An atheists or what?
guvna747 1 year ago
ur stupid thats all
khairuleven 1 year ago
@khairuleven
LOL Well maybe your stupid as you can't even answer my question. If you don't know then admit it. There is no need to call me stupid. At least I am using my own knowledge of learning everything instead of wasting time sitting on your fat ass commenting to people that they are stupid. But thank you for calling me stupid as it tells me that you know nothing.
guvna747 1 year ago
yeah,i know nothing about how come you've been so stupid.
khairuleven 1 year ago
@khairuleven
I should be asking you the same thing, "how come you've been so stupid".
guvna747 1 year ago
hi there
firstly before i ask you anything can i just ask you wether if you are on the islam side or the other
guvna747 1 year ago
@guvna747
can you put the @(username) when you make a post to someone or its hard to know who your asking things to if your asking me whos side I am on then it has to be the atheist side :)
AndrewBouchierUK 1 year ago
@AndrewBouchierUK
No I was not asking you, as what we have already been talking about. And yes it was my bad for not putting down the username.
guvna747 1 year ago
Read back your comment - then apply the same rule to the existence of god. He must have had a designer too.You can't have it both ways, using one rule when you want to and another when you don't
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
The thing is 'the rules' don't apply to the rule maker do they?
How can the creator of time be bound by it?
At the end of the day, I see evidence for a creator all around us. If you can't see it then to you yours. I personally think ppl who think all things big and small came with no guiding force are delusional. Something doesn't come from nothing.
I'm a programmer, so I know random taps on a pc won't generate this massive simulation we are in. 1 keystoke wrong and it don't work!
kashig3 2 years ago
If you are a prramer then you will understand the algorithmic nature of natural selection. And if you understand natural selection at a deep level, the there is no need for a 'guiding force' - it just happens, as surely as, once you have written your program, it needs no guiding force to make it run. Programming is a superb analogy for natural selection! All you need is enough time, and we know that there has been plenty of that
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
God doesn't have a creator because he had no beginning. Also, There is no creator before God because if there was it wouldn't stop. Now that condition is impossible because God had no beggining, and therefore had no birth. He doesn't not live in a world governed by rules like us. He is not made of matter or constiued of atoms. He created all of that and made its beggining so he can't be made of that
idricool 2 years ago 3
But don't you see that you are making wild assumptions based on zero evidence here? 'he is not made of matter' - how do you know? 'he doesn't live in a wolrd governed by rules like us' - how do you know?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
if you think that God is made of matter like you and I, than that means He did not exist before the Big Bang, and therefore did not cause the Big Bang.
God is above His creation, and that includes ALL matter
Zackerybob 2 years ago 16
@Zackerybob Yup. I agree too... But saying that God triggered the Big Band is mere assumption again
kokopingo 1 year ago
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jonjoe1000 2 years ago
"How did this originate from?"
Evolution explains the diversity of life, not its origins. Religious people have always used the unknown as evidence. What a weak argument.
ComingSoon1984 2 years ago
comingsoon1984 -
What the heck are you talking about? Even Darwins book is titled "the Origin of Species". You are the confused one
Sajofi 2 years ago 4
It's no wonder most religious people deny evolution and can't even define it. By definition, evolution is the theory that explains the DIVERSITY of life, not its origins.
As for Darwins book, if you've read it, you'd know what he meant by the title. He explains in it the origins of SPECIES not the origins of life. He explains where all species originated from, how they evolved from previous ones, and how it is impossible that they have been created individually.
ComingSoon1984 2 years ago
Safjofi:
Darwin's book was titled Origin of Species. Species are DIFFERENT types of life, so you could paraphrase it as "Origin of the Diversity of Life".
Not, Origin of Life.
Elvisdogg 2 years ago
Yeah I'm sure if Darwin would have know more I'm sure he wouldn't have names it the Origin of Species, Origin of Species is more like abiogenesis
MrMohjong 1 year ago
Tell that to evolutionist that tend to explain evolution more as an origin rather than diversity.
By the way, Evolution is false because all of its proofs are not concrete and therefore can easily create other theories.
idricool 2 years ago
How odd - which proofs exactly? Do tell!
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of quantum theory knows that particles of matter pop into existence out of 'nothing' all the time, with no need for a 'creator'. The whole idea of a 'creator' seems just intellectual laziness. The rationale appears to be 'I can't explain it, it's too impossible, it must be god'. This has been the case throughout history, with religion trying to pull back while science pushes forward.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
you said it, 'Quantum Theory' no on has seen a quark just pop out of nothing, it all conjecture.
kashig3 2 years ago
No-one alive today has 'seen' Napoleon. Does that mean he didn't exist?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
knob end at least he was someone you could have seen, unlike your magic pop tart particles, quantum theory is fairy tales mate, science has looped in on itself.
I could apply you silly statement to God?
kashig3 2 years ago
'quantum theory is fairy tales' - so you know better than Richard Feynman, Stephen Hawking, Lee Smolin and every other great physicist of the past 80 years. And you call me arrogant?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
would you not agree that areas of quantum theory are simple put bonkers?
I think so I have seen a few docs on it and its crazy, it goes against normal scientific principles, everytime there seems to be new particle on the block, thing is no one can see these things, not with any tecnology, these particles are picofied of the size of electrons
kashig3 2 years ago
It IS bonkers - but that doesn't mean it isn't true
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
So why is it so hard for you to believe in the supreme? Thats much more plausable, and its serves the purpose of filling that void in your belly, the one food doesnt fill.
kashig3 2 years ago 2
So basically in simplest terms, applying what you said, what you're saying is that energy just popped into existence out of nowhere?
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Such is the weirdness of quantum mechanics. I thoroughly recommend you read into this fascinating topic. It's very interesting and will make you THINK.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
the more i read about it the more I realise that actually we dont know shit yet!
quantum mechanic is a spin word, its actually quantum theory because you cant exactly see strange quarks & leptons etc.
kashig3 2 years ago
You can't 'see' Australia - does that mean it's not there? I'm guessing you're not a scientist
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
I have seen australia on tv!
kashig3 2 years ago 3
And if 'we don't know shit', what makes you think that god must be the answer? You mean that every one else 'doesn't know shit' and you do.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Didnt say I had all the answers, I'm just a truth seeker.
I'll give you answer, you know of infinity.
You can't comprehend it though can you?
Same with God, we know of God but we can't comprehend his nature.
God exist out of the space time continuem, he created space & time and subjected the universe to it. There is no beforeHim, no after Him, he is the source, he is the architect.
I personally say the more you learn the more you realis you dont know anything really, its just a tiny fraction.
kashig3 2 years ago
Read what you've written. You are making some very grand statements about the nature of god. If I made similar claims in similar language you would rightly accuse me of arrogance. We don't 'KNOW' of god, other than that which we think we know. Faith does not require evidence, so matters of faith cannot be stated as facts.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
God does exist. To be a created you must have a creator . This is a golden rule. Also, the other golden rule is that you can't have something out of nothing. Therefore, there is a Creator.
The reason people don't believe in God is because of their feelings. Its because they are afraid of reality, that's why they don't believe.
idricool 2 years ago
In that case, god needs a creator, silly boy. You can't apply one rule when you feel like it and then not apply the same rule when it's not convenient.
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
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idricool 2 years ago
See, the thing is that there are books that take quotations of the Quran and expand and elaborate regarding the characteristics of Allah or God which are much different to what most atheists are accustomed to.
It is rather interesting to note that one of Allah's 99 names is 'Al-Bari' which in English is translated as 'The Evolver'
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
Yes, it's also interesting that sura 16.67 says you can drink wine
And interesting that a book supposedly the word of god has several verses which are obviously said by Mohamed himself
And so many abrogations throught the book as to be absurd
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Sura 16 doesn't say you can drink wine. Maybe your stupidity makes you think thats what it says. It doesn't even mention wine in that Sura. Your evil mind is trying to bring up lies.
idricool 2 years ago
16.67: 'and from the fruits you have the palm and vine, from which you get wine and healthful nutriment: in this, truly, are signs for those who reflect'
It has variously been translated as 'intoxicating liquor', 'strong drink' and 'inebriating liquor' by people far more learned than you or I
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Wow good job reading it in English. I know arabic, I speak it and I can understand it. I know what wine/alcohol in arabic is. And there is no mention in the arabic text which is the real Quran.
What the verse talks about is the fact that people takes nourishment from fruits given to them by their Lord. Even IF IT DID and I say IF, there is nothing in that verse that permits drinking wine..
This shows how stupid you are.
idricool 2 years ago
Now, now, little boy, don't be rude.
I am merely quoting Ibn Warraq, a very learned ex-muslim scholar; he is far more qualified than you or I to pass comment on this issue. I suggest you research more into this before you attempt the 'I speak arabic' argument. You are on very shaky ground I'm afraid
MrLDStephens 2 years ago
Very learned ex muslim scholar?
I have read his works and it doesn't take a genius to find out how deluded his views are.
He claims to know of Islam and its 'dangers' but the fact is he ultimately understands little.
He is in the end not that 'very learned' but instead a source for a lot of atheists when they want to talk Islam.
I find it a bit funny to tell you the truth.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago 2
Its true, anyone can put an appearance and say that they lived in a Muslim country and that they were a Muslim scholar. But in the end, he was just trying to bring down Islam and his efforts were futile.
idricool 2 years ago 2
He grew up a devout muslim in a muslim country, becoming a well-respected muslim scholar. He then saw the error of his ways and became an apostate. He now has to live under a pseudonym because of threats to his life for renouncing his faith. How do you feel about this?
MrLDStephens 2 years ago