Alan Raph / trombone tips / The Bartok glissando

[guitarboyemk]

Just rent or buy an F Contrabass trombone and be done with it.

[SuperJox]

@guitarboyemk Not much F contras have 7 positions. Most have 6 and some even have only 5

[guitarboyemk]

@SuperJox All the contras i've seen have 7

[SuperJox]

@guitarboyemk Really? Which ones? Have you played them?

[Reaper0397]

@cowboyslego he can't play 7 th because it is a bass trombone which plays at an tuba octave. If he was playing a tenor trombone

 he could

[0348511]

damn, he plays some low ass notes :O

[cowboyslego]

u forgot 7th

[rmrgm521m]

The Thein "Bartok" valve is certainly the best solution for this as the gliss is seemless.

[boneofthewang]

I never knew that King made bass trombones. What model is it?

[lowbrassmormon]

my bach mercedes II cant play a first position F with its trigger. i wonder if its similar to the "unusable E" that you mentioned, since i can hit a B natural in 7th position

[alanraph]

If its a single valve trombone it needs to be able to play F in 1st position with the trigger.

if its a double valve trombone the first (thumb) valve also needs to be able to play an F in 1st,

Anything short of this needs to be adjusted.

Before cutting any tubing however, check out your ability to play the note by trying someone else's trombone on the same note. It could be you.

[DancingSpacePotato]

I've watched a few of your vids this evening, and wanted to ask if you've heard of the Bartok Bass Trombone valve made my Thein, it's a single Bass with a second trigger that slides out the att. to Eb, or E ( can't remember ) but it works fabulously, sort of like a kicker on a Trumpet. And with Valve tuning combos, I have my Bass' second valve tuned to the E below what the F att. would play.

[alanraph]

There are a few way's that players have been handling the glissando including pulling the (well lubricated) F valve slide out and having the tuba player push it in during the performance. I saw this in Sydney in 2002.

[dylanw26]

My goodness ... Alan Raph. I was wondering why your name sounded familiar, and then it hit me that a teacher made me practice jazz from one of your books.

[dubya13207]

didn't bartok write the gliss for F bassbones, which were just losing popularity during his time?

[alanraph]

Bartok came to the U.S. in 1940. He wrote the Concerto for Orch. in 1943. The bass trombone was already in use as a Bb/F one valve instrument. The no-valve bass trombone in G was the instrument used at the time in Great Britain... it had a swivel handle on the slide to enable the player to reach the long positions. Later the valve was added putting the instrument in G/D. I played one at Boosey and Hawkes in England in 1956 it was cumbersome.

[dannyxblooh]

where did u get your king bass trombone?

[alanraph]

I helped design the instrument for King in the late 60's. I later had the bell cut and ringed to be able to compact it and carry it aboard airplanes.

[kissmybasstrombone]

thanks for the continued help!

[jonahkwok]

nice! u teach good

[kissmybasstrombone]

teach well

[PRHSBone]

lol

[koofablah]

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