"Look, I got a family. I need to get them outta here. But the splicers has cut me off from them. If you can get to Neptune's Bounty, then just maybe...I know you must feel like the unluckiest man in the world right now, but you're my only hope that I'll ever get to see my wife and child. Get to Neptune's Bounty, find my family please"
yeah.... I really fuckin hate how you had to kill Andrew... lmao, it's so funny, I never paid much attention to Atlas, I deliberatley ignored him and bullshit "family" with the good ol' music that was playing (:, Andrew though, he was a good man....
@TheTheliked Let's see... I didn't talk about how he... oh no nevermind... The point is, I didn't say how he died, I didn't say who did what, and I didn't say what happened. There's WAYYYY more to it.
@rexter42 It's from the beginning of the second to last level, 'proving grounds'. Upon entering the museum and watching the fight between the splicers and a big daddy before the whale skeleton comes crashing down from the ceiling, it plays in the background.
Modern popular music are called "hits" because its like an actual hit. It's only quick and temporary, then everybody will forget about that song. Music like this is called "timeless" because it lasts forever and people will never forget it 3 :')
"I know you feel like the most unlucky man in the world, but you're my only hope I'll have for seeing my family again!" First time playing, nearly brought tears lol
this song makes me question life, much like Silent hill 2 did with it's endings. Why must we fight over our believes? Why can't religions get along and accept what they each believe? Why are gas prices so high? It also makes me think about the price I have to pay to society, we all have a price to pay, to shape up on how we see life as we know it. This game was a deep experience for me, and I regret taking it back to Gamestop.
@The38DODGE. as for your religous question, its obvious. if christians and muslims say they are okay with eachothers beliefs then they are saying that the others religion is okay. that clearly cannot be the case, else why be in the religion in the first place. religions are by nature intolerable. now im not saying religions need to violent towards one another, but they cannot accept the others viewpoint. doing so concedes their own beliefs. they can even coexist peacefully for some time
@earp1232 You must not be religous. Christians have to tolerate other religions as its God alone that can judge people. It goes on to say you may go to heven if you follow a different religion as long as you live a good life so you can be forgiven by God. In the UK we have many religions and we all get on nealy fine. In poor parts of the world due to lack of wealth, fear and jealousy in themselves take over and resort to violance in atempt to "defend" themselves ie Raptures underclass
@SoldierGray The crusade was to defend the Mongol empire from the muslims from africa. The Germans and Britons both helped the mongols due to the allieance they had which inturn gave trade links to the east. Late crusades started by the pope were again to try and reopen links to the east due to them having businesses which relayed on some of the inports e.g dyes. So the pope used religion to make people fights. Same as Pakistan did with Jehad which was to get rid of the Russians from the north.
@ochick1. well, I'm a Deist. But I had the great misfortune to be raised a catholic. I've gone to private schools my whole life and have never heard that people of other religions also go to heaven.
@earp1232 Yeah think catholic has a different opinion. Most Protestant religions are based on liberal ideas some may go to far but all think that there is good in everyone. Ok if your a devil worshiper you may go to hell for following that religion but most normal religions are fine as long as its not based on hate.
This reminds me of the first time I harvested a Little Sister. I finally had built up the courage to go for the extra Adam, and then, there I am. Holding a slug. Just to make me stand more of a chance, just a little, I took this childs life, for this slug, I took all chances of helping her. I could of saved her. I didn't. And all for a slug.
The sorrow of a city that sought to slay the notions of what man deemed “impossible” and achieve TRUE greatness... only to fall further than anyone could have possibly imagined.
A paradise turned perilous. A dream turned to dread. An unparalleled utopia reduced to an appalling abomination. From bright to blight. From glory to gloom. Forgotten by time, it remains a rotten relic; a shell of it’s former self.
@bren97122 is it ok to share something with you... i think art is everything. sadness happyness fear and anger. loss of a family. loss of sanity. and gaining something dear to you that. is what developers need to look after then it dosent matter if its with text. youll still crye in the end. and think about the game even after 30 years
This is probably the saddest thing I've ever listened to in my life, it's beautiful. It brings me to tears thinking of the lives, hopes and dreams lost by the horrors of capitalism without a leash. It can do terrible things to people. Let's not mistake what Rapture stood for as good, while Fontaine was a monster, the ideals all its' citizenry aspired to led to its' demise. Society cannot function under the ideals or institutions Andrew Ryan espoused. He was foolish, and people suffered for it.
@jackharken lolno. The game was fantastic and provided a gateway to objectivism to a lot of amatuer philosophers out there, but please, unless you think the discovery of ADAM and plasmids are imminent (or are even remotely analogous to anything plausable), do not try and apply the outcome of Rapture to political rules to live by in reality.
@Esker02 It did provide a gateway to objectivism for a lot of people, seeing its' effects. It wasn't ADAM or plasmids that destroyed Rapture, it was the ideals they applied to them. Society could've regulated the plasmids very very closely, making sure they were used very lightly and in extreme cases only for good. It was their failure to regulate or think about the moral ramifications of plasmids/ADAM that lead to their demise. The game developers used them since they were such good metaphors.
@Esker02 You're mistaken in assuming that I say capitalism/objectivism was bad b/c of plasmids, so we shouldn't replicate that. No, we have to think about it. How would plasmids or ADAM come about? How would that kind of moral relativism emerge? In a society that rejected any notion of morality or right and wrong? Maybe an objectivist society? A libertarian one? Yes, yes indeed. It was b/c of those ideals that those things emerged, as other moral wrongs do in our society. Oppression of poor etc.
@jackharken No political or philosophical doctrine dispenses of moral rights and wrongs, they only differ upon what they are and what foundations they rest upon (some more convincing than others). Objectivism and libertarianism are actually unwavering in their commitment TO rights (of individuals) and AGAINST wrongs (perpetrated by others upon that individual). You speak of an oppressed poor, but libertarianism, objectivism, and by extension, Rapture, are the logical antithesis of oppression.
@Esker02 No you're right they don't, but libertarian/objectivist morality is entirely based on the rights of individuals, which do hold some importance to me. But morality has to be about more than that. Rapture/objectivism held individual rights close, but those rights can be just as damaging as helpful sometimes. They might say, "Is that man entitled to basic necessities, or am I entitled to care for my fellow man enough to do something about it? No they would say, he's not. That is IMMORAL.
@jackharken Charity in itself is not immoral - it's the circumstances that surround it that make it so. For the typical libertarian, this means the use of government force to make it happen (tax funded welfare). For objectivists, this is extended to mean any force that makes you feel compelled to engage in charity (religion, etc). If you truly enjoy helping others, then you have the right to do so. But no man has the right to FORCE his needs on another man (or as you say, claim 'entitlement').
@Esker02 Yeah it's not, but your focus on the individual is. This is why we need gov't, and authority, so we can band together to do something good for humanity. Not all individuals can decide what's right on their own, we need moral authority and guidance sometimes. Because while some humans are very reasonable and do what is right consistently, not all can do that. To have a just society, all people have to have an idea of what is just. We can't do that alone.
@jackharken I think your characterization of those who don't agree with your concepts of "the good" as unreasonable and in need of "authority" and "guidance" is concerning. Part of Andrew Ryan's point, certainly, was that every evil ever perpetrated on man came from that very assumption. If you are truly certain of the reasonable merits of your perspective, namely that helping others is the right thing to do, the last thing you should need is force to convince others it is right, as well.
@Esker02 Missing the point, a lot of institutions can be subverted for greed or personal gain, gov't, religion, community, marriage, moral authority. But that doesn't mean we should abandon the institutions themselves, that's like people who don't get married b/c a lot of people get divorced! In the same way, b/c gov't has been used in abusive ways in the past doesn't mean we can't make it a positive force in the future. Moral relativism means just excepting everyone's version of good as equally
Good comes from banding together in agreement about something moral, political, religious, and implementing it. For example, it does no good if only I help the poor, that isn't going to do jack shit. I'm not saying forcefully impose moral guidelines on others, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying we have to actually engage in conversation about what is morally right SO we can DO what is morally right. If we just ignore, and let everyone have their own versions of morality, we get nowhere
I say that we need moral guidance, I mean when conversation starts, not all voices count as equal, I'll take the professor's opinion over the average idiot. Why? Experience means something, people who know what they're talking about speak with some authority in any encounter. Presumably, the Pope is the Pope b/c he knows a lot about religion, go figure. I'm not saying we discard anyone's opinion, but we have to have some scale for what's right and wrong, I call it conscience, or reason.
@Esker02 I'm sorry - posting 4 times. The conversation we should be having is: what is that moral standard? Should we make our decisions based on survival? Based on personal gain or power? (Nietzsche) Or should they be based on reason, helping one another, love and commitment? (Aquinas) Or maybe something else more complex? That's the conversation we SHOULD be having. The conversation shouldn't be "We should avoid discussing morality b/c that might involve actually saying something of substance.
@jackharken I think you are missing my point. You claim that if only you engage in the "good" activity then no "good" will actually be done. You are quite right. But you also seem relatively certain that you have firm foundation, reasonably, for the "good" you wish to be done. By implication, then, this also implies most people agree with you. Why do you need the force of government (as all gov't IS force, that's all I meant) to compel "good" behavior, programs, etc, given those facts?
@jackharken Even if I suppose, as your final post seems to, that there exists AN answer to the question of morality, and it is in fact not for reasonable persons to disagree upon, then I would say that the Aquinas view, born in an appeal to authority and secularized beyond all coherence, does not strike me as that answer. And yet to you, it seems so obviously the answer that it should have the force of law behind it. That's precisely the problem our original discussion was aimed at.
@Esker02 I argue authority is an essential part of a good society. Not authority based on power or force, but on reason, ex. this person knows a lot and can help me understand something more deeply. God is for all good, but that doesn't mean we can't explain why good is good, why we should do good. I'm not saying we can find a definitive answer for all the mysteries of life, but we're going nowhere by not trying anything. Morality is important, and I want to know what you think.
@jackharken I wouldn't mind having that discussion, but I think we've intruded on the good viewers of this song long enough. I'll send you a private message in response.
@TheBiggamer64 I would agree that BioShock is in it's technical sense a game, but just as a book has underlying meanings and morals, a game can to. Reducing video games, BioShock in particular, to just "games" treats them as less than they are. They are an art form, a way of storytelling, they are not just distractions or something to keep us occupied for a while. Just in the same way I wouldn't tell someone who just read a really great book, "it's just a book" I wouldn't say, "it's just a game"
@jackharken keep telling yourself that. cause when you boil right down to it...its just a fucking game. I doubt the developers were thinking as hard as you are.
@TheBiggamer64 No one says, "it's just a book" or,"it's just a song" or, "it's just a speech" Why do you want to compartmentalize different arts or passions? What is it about entertainment that voids it from being intellectual or artful, I would define art as something that helps you see reality or the world in a new or better way, BioShock certainly did that for me. We define other works as intellectual or artful, why do video games have to be pure entertainment, when they can be so much more?
@jackharken ...well said. Listen I honestly feel the same way. I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. I was just pissed off that day and took my anger out on youtube. (go me) lol but I agree completely and associate the same theories with many other games including Bioshock. Please forgive my nonsensical and irrational thinking.
@TheBiggamer64 Thank you. Ah yeah I know what you mean. I wish there were more people on the internet who would do the same as you and be willing to talk honestly, and we all have those days I suppose. Your channel tells me you do have good taste in games.
@TheBiggamer64 aahhh its refreshing to see an arguement have a positive ending with both teams resolving there problem like a human should, peacefully.
This song purely represents not the chaos, but the loss and despair Rapture and the people felt. Men and Women are falling stars, children robbed of innocents, and one man who was betrayed by his own idea. This song only plays in time of despair for Jack i.e. Atlas' family, a father's death, and the death of a fellow creature. Fuck Fontaine, fuck him! He is the monster, not Andrew, Andrew was simply dreaming....
in 2012. if there happens anything to the date where we are going under . im gonna play this music stare at the sky. and cry. and think. why... why... why so early...
When they play The Ocean On His Shoulders on BioShock 2 when your floating to the surface on the sub, and you look down at Rapture for the last time, it was breath taking. Now if they would have played this song while you rise to the surface...I'm guessing it would've given the other song a run for it's money.
This song makes me think that in Rapture, there might've been some people who never used ADAM, and were still sane and kind, and they might've have had splicers come in their homes, and destroy everything they had left. That would've been so frightening :'(
i think in the real world a place like rapture would never have collapsed. i see similarities between rapture and hong kong. due to hong kong's freedom and economic growth compared to mainland china, there weren't really any major social upheavals simply because the city's productivity enabled it to create a high standard of living for everyone. no class warfare needed if everyone is living decently.
here's to hoping that rapture is still out there somewhere, peaceful and prospering...
@boys2mendoza even in hong kong there is little free speach and its still a police state. Its more like total oposite. The whole point in bishock is that is shows it dosent work except for the person in charge due to the fact people need each other people except andrew ryan and fontaine due to there amount of wealth they needed know one. We are born to be slaves and so we will stay. As long as i have my job and family i am happy
@ochick1 i'm not sure if you understand how hong kong works. it is a special region in china where they do not have to answer to the government in beijing. the mainland chinese government for the most part leaves them alone. hong kong is not communist, not a police state, and they have full freedom of speech, as well as the other rights citizens of western countries are accustomed to. this freedom has allowed its people to prosper and live in peace. bioshock and the rapture model actually works.
@boys2mendoza It is able to control itself except foreign relations and military defence. Military defence is a major part of the government in main china to keep populations in control and so there as well. Rapture has no trade with the surface were as hong kong is ninth most traded currency in the world. The main idea compareing it to rapture comes from the small super upper class which makes them powerfull but the rest live in poverty and no futur unlike rapture were they can work prosper
I see all the thumbs up on everyones comment and I have to say. We the fans are the True Rapture Family. Who else has so much love for their fellow fans. I wish I could live in Rapture with you all.
I'm touched by your thoughts. Live in Rapture will be great. I imagine that day after by day... Everyone needs a shelter from "our perfect world". We've found it in this game, and i'm glad to know all of you neighbours ; )
@MrQuadrant Good to know that people agree with me. Gives me less splicers to keep my eye on. lol I agree my escape is Rapture, and I need another game with it.
Hey, if you enjoy this song, I highly recommend "On the Nature of Daylight" by Max Richter. Kinda has the same aura as this song. It was in Shutter Island, too, which I also recommend.
Masterpiece, the whole world is something everybody thought about in deep ways it was handcrafted to perfection, unbelievably beautiful yet disgusting and savage it's just the more you indulge yourself in Bioshock, the more times you play it and listen to the music, the more you become attached, it could really be a reality, Rapture .
I get so sad hearing this not only because of the city being turned to waste but how Andrew Ryan is dead :/ I remember like 5 minutes after killing him this sad music comes on and i'm just like >.< oops
I'm Fucking stoned. I am at a lost for words, its like being there. All those lost hopes, dreams, gone, just wanting to live differently. There was essentially 3 type of societies out there, those that are runned by government, religion or of War. Andrew Ryan and his people said no to these three, and found that there was no problems in their way of life. But with everything in life, good things come with a price. Thumbs up if Bioshock is the deepest experience you ever had.
@LockAndL0ad I wish people would stop comparing the two like that, they were both good games! The only thing I was dissapointed about Bioshock 2 was that they made the choice to have multiple Big Sisters, I wish they would have just stayed with one.
Maybe te best piece of all. I remember coming out of Tenenbaum's orphanage while listening to this. I was ovewhelmed with grief and anxiety, witnessing the fate of Ryan's utopia. Computer games sure have grown up these days.
The confrontation with Ryan, those minutes of horrifying comprehension really did floor me. This music plays not long after you emerge from Tenebaum's safehouse and I think I was still in a daze. I thought that I had been on a quest of great honour first to save, and then to avenge, Atlas' family. I really wanted to avenge Moira & Patrick, and I LIKED Atlas. The truth was really gut-wrenching, but a great moment. Went through every emotion with this game - and I absolutely loved it.
Brings tears, and comes not long after you find out the hours you've toiled, the blood you have spilt to avenge Atlas' family, to save Atlas and yourself, to destroy the evil Ryan, was all a lie. I was seriously blown away and completely disheartened when Fontaine revealed himself. Probably the best moment in any game, ever
Know what I hate? This is slightly off topic but...all of those people who say video-games are a waste of time. I want to go and tell them to buy Bioshock, and go and listen to some of the most amazing music, meet some of the most in-depth characters, and learn one of the most delicate, beautiful stories of all time. But no, those stubborn jerks say 'video-games make you fat and lazy'
They can teach you so much. Time enjoyed wasting, is not wasted. Anyway, great game. Love it with all me heart.
I can't help but feel like it was the people who failed Raptured, not Ryan. Ryan was right about you, the character, and about Atlas so how could he have not been right?
Completely agree with Astroman9991, Rapture really seems like the ultimate city. But I do not agree about the plasmids part. After all, that was the reason why the whole war started, and therefore the reason why Rapture fell.
@oliveraldama Dude, it's not 'if you would be so kind'. It's 'would you kindly'. So it would be 'Sarah Palin, would you kindly run into a Big Daddy'. :D
I'd love to visit Rapture before the Civil War, I'd love it, especially the plasmids and the uncensorship and limitations of Government, Religion and War.
To that one Dislike Person....Would you Kindly get stepped on by a Big Daddy?
@Astroman9991 The point of the game was that Rapture could never have survived on such an extreme political foundation. It was doomed from the beginning by Andrew Ryan's pathological hatred of the ways of the outside world... a city founded on hatred, and doomed by it. That's exactly why it is so tragic.
@NeoItoh No, Rapture didn't survive because Andrew Ryan was too proud to accept challenges. Ryan thought that he was too good and had no holes in his game or character. If he had an effective system of handling disruptors, Rapture would have never fallen. The system Ryan had was very similar to Germany's SS, the SS didn't do much but evil and evil is not a great technology that survives long.
@oliveraldama Interesting stance... he was indeed a proud man, and the debates with Sofia Lamb that can be heard in the second game prove that he was unable to accept any point of view but his own. He couldn't even accept that living under the sea might make people feel depressed and lonely, and was disgusted at the thought of bringing a psychologist into his city.
@NeoItoh Yes, I see that. I also feel that the stories of part 1 and 2 go to show the lack of practicality, usefulness and effectiveness of two systems that don't work. Communism or the government under 1 ruler, Ryan....and Psychiatry. To this day Psychiatry has cured nothing yet they call themselves doctors.
@NeoItoh And the music adds to the tragic lost of a city that was once so beautiful...sometimes, I wish i could had lived there before things were kicking off.
And this song here.......Is why i am fucking proud to be a gamer :)
FaLLouTGuy1000 6 days ago
esto es a aceños que el mundo los a abandonado
metro4104 1 week ago
wasint thisplayed in the game when atlas supposed family died
BROOKLYNGRAFFITI 1 month ago
@BROOKLYNGRAFFITI Correct. :)
kaoskastle 2 weeks ago
D-Kay & Rawfull - Directions
check this one out, you'll be surprised)
evlampi666 1 month ago
If youtube didn't have the character limit I would write down every last line of the game while listening to this beautiful soundtrack.
oldskoolrocker1000 1 month ago 5
Bioshock is a game, but yet... it's art :)
SNiPeRAT0R741 1 month ago
"Look, I got a family. I need to get them outta here. But the splicers has cut me off from them. If you can get to Neptune's Bounty, then just maybe...I know you must feel like the unluckiest man in the world right now, but you're my only hope that I'll ever get to see my wife and child. Get to Neptune's Bounty, find my family please"
-Atlas
chruiz42 2 months ago
yeah.... I really fuckin hate how you had to kill Andrew... lmao, it's so funny, I never paid much attention to Atlas, I deliberatley ignored him and bullshit "family" with the good ol' music that was playing (:, Andrew though, he was a good man....
myemoness2 2 months ago
@myemoness2 thanks for the spoiler buddy..
TheTheliked 2 months ago
@TheTheliked Let's see... I didn't talk about how he... oh no nevermind... The point is, I didn't say how he died, I didn't say who did what, and I didn't say what happened. There's WAYYYY more to it.
myemoness2 2 months ago
@TheTheliked Y U NO FINISH GAME BY THEN?
LinkCLX 1 month ago in playlist More videos from firefeure
Where is this from in the game?
rexter42 2 months ago
@rexter42 It's from the beginning of the second to last level, 'proving grounds'. Upon entering the museum and watching the fight between the splicers and a big daddy before the whale skeleton comes crashing down from the ceiling, it plays in the background.
ToiletseatPhilosophy 2 months ago
Fontaine though, deserves to get stabbed by a thousand needles....oh wait a minute.....
Legion640 2 months ago
Aww, Andrew Ryan wasn't such a bad man. At least he accepted his death and tried to stop the madness before it could get any worse.
Legion640 2 months ago
Modern popular music are called "hits" because its like an actual hit. It's only quick and temporary, then everybody will forget about that song. Music like this is called "timeless" because it lasts forever and people will never forget it 3 :')
BabyDoll2086 3 months ago 38
@BabyDoll2086 That was beautiful. :')
RyansVlogTV 2 weeks ago
@RyansVlogTV Thankyou (: x
BabyDoll2086 1 week ago
@BabyDoll2086 Well put, bro.
12bobsmith 2 days ago
Andrew Ryan created a world without god and greed for money. The ultimate dream.
hommechauvesouris 3 months ago
@hommechauvesouris yeah cause that worked out well
Caesarslegion1 3 months ago
@hommechauvesouris Is a man not entitled to the sweat on his brow?
'NO!' Says the man in Washington it belongs to the poor,'
'NO!' cries the man in the Vatican 'it belongs to GOD!'
'No!' Says the man in Moscow 'It belongs to EVERYONE!'
I gazed upon the world, and I asked myself, where is a place for men like me?
A place where the artist would not fear the censor,
a place where the scientists would not be restrained by petty morality,
a place where the great would not constrained by the small.
AAliasW 1 month ago 3
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VampiraSlayer 3 months ago
@NickJk6 ololol
Blahmarrow 3 months ago
@NickJk6 I only got the first, got 48 out of 51 achievements, on 5th play through. I LIKE IT!
Blahmarrow 3 months ago
Yes you`re right. But i like the Story of Bio Shock. I love Repture and i hate to kill the Big Daddys.
TodesengelGabriel 3 months ago
BIOSHOCK talks about the future.
PsychotronicWar 4 months ago
"I know you feel like the most unlucky man in the world, but you're my only hope I'll have for seeing my family again!" First time playing, nearly brought tears lol
Blahmarrow 4 months ago
"You ooze in like an assassin, then you try and slip out like a theif! Your no C.I.A. spook! WHO ARE YOU!?"-Great moment in this game.
dancefool68 4 months ago
Why are people arguing about war and religion here?
This is a video about Bioshock
Why not argue on a religious video or something?
(and thanks for uploading this firefeure)
LeeNayler 4 months ago
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Congratulations youtube, you are the only organization that can spawn a religious fight on a bioshock video.
PaperHeroProductions 4 months ago
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PaperHeroProductions 4 months ago
A few comments down. . .I wish I was as smart as those cookies. I could barely follow. . .I feel arrogant :(
Awesome Track, Great meaning.
LadyMurderMaid 4 months ago
this song makes me question life, much like Silent hill 2 did with it's endings. Why must we fight over our believes? Why can't religions get along and accept what they each believe? Why are gas prices so high? It also makes me think about the price I have to pay to society, we all have a price to pay, to shape up on how we see life as we know it. This game was a deep experience for me, and I regret taking it back to Gamestop.
The38DODGE 4 months ago
@The38DODGE. as for your religous question, its obvious. if christians and muslims say they are okay with eachothers beliefs then they are saying that the others religion is okay. that clearly cannot be the case, else why be in the religion in the first place. religions are by nature intolerable. now im not saying religions need to violent towards one another, but they cannot accept the others viewpoint. doing so concedes their own beliefs. they can even coexist peacefully for some time
earp1232 4 months ago
@earp1232 You must not be religous. Christians have to tolerate other religions as its God alone that can judge people. It goes on to say you may go to heven if you follow a different religion as long as you live a good life so you can be forgiven by God. In the UK we have many religions and we all get on nealy fine. In poor parts of the world due to lack of wealth, fear and jealousy in themselves take over and resort to violance in atempt to "defend" themselves ie Raptures underclass
ochick1 4 months ago
@ochick1 Yeah, the crusades were just friendly get-togethers.
SoldierGray 4 months ago
@SoldierGray The crusade was to defend the Mongol empire from the muslims from africa. The Germans and Britons both helped the mongols due to the allieance they had which inturn gave trade links to the east. Late crusades started by the pope were again to try and reopen links to the east due to them having businesses which relayed on some of the inports e.g dyes. So the pope used religion to make people fights. Same as Pakistan did with Jehad which was to get rid of the Russians from the north.
ochick1 4 months ago
@ochick1. well, I'm a Deist. But I had the great misfortune to be raised a catholic. I've gone to private schools my whole life and have never heard that people of other religions also go to heaven.
earp1232 4 months ago
@earp1232 Yeah think catholic has a different opinion. Most Protestant religions are based on liberal ideas some may go to far but all think that there is good in everyone. Ok if your a devil worshiper you may go to hell for following that religion but most normal religions are fine as long as its not based on hate.
ochick1 4 months ago
This conversation two comments below has been perhaps the most interesting and deepest I've ever had the pleasure of reading on youtube.
Matij1648 5 months ago
This reminds me of the first time I harvested a Little Sister. I finally had built up the courage to go for the extra Adam, and then, there I am. Holding a slug. Just to make me stand more of a chance, just a little, I took this childs life, for this slug, I took all chances of helping her. I could of saved her. I didn't. And all for a slug.
SmallChildrenProduct 5 months ago
The sorrow of a city that sought to slay the notions of what man deemed “impossible” and achieve TRUE greatness... only to fall further than anyone could have possibly imagined.
A paradise turned perilous. A dream turned to dread. An unparalleled utopia reduced to an appalling abomination. From bright to blight. From glory to gloom. Forgotten by time, it remains a rotten relic; a shell of it’s former self.
Rapture...
vicjer77 6 months ago 27
@vicjer77 Wow.... thats very well done, and it fits the Rapture very well too. You sir/madam deserve a thumbs up.
Garudo30 6 months ago
@Garudo30 Thank you, I appreciate that. It took longer than I would like to admit to write that.
vicjer77 6 months ago
@vicjer77 This deserves to be a top comment waaaaaaaaay more than the current ones
7BillionAndDying 5 months ago
@7BillionAndDying Thank you. I appreciate that.
vicjer77 5 months ago
Bioshock is not a game. It's art.
bren97122 6 months ago 73
@bren97122 is it ok to share something with you... i think art is everything. sadness happyness fear and anger. loss of a family. loss of sanity. and gaining something dear to you that. is what developers need to look after then it dosent matter if its with text. youll still crye in the end. and think about the game even after 30 years
runepusher64 6 months ago
@bren97122 it's a Masterpiece.
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@bren97122 Why can't video games themselves be art? Are they really mutually exclusive?
PerscriptionDitz 2 months ago
@bren97122 Well Said :)
splicerslayer129 2 months ago
this is amazing. Why do video games get shafted so much? just because you play it doesn't mean it can't be an incredible and in depth story
balidoria 6 months ago
bioshock <3
jackafa92 6 months ago
This is probably the saddest thing I've ever listened to in my life, it's beautiful. It brings me to tears thinking of the lives, hopes and dreams lost by the horrors of capitalism without a leash. It can do terrible things to people. Let's not mistake what Rapture stood for as good, while Fontaine was a monster, the ideals all its' citizenry aspired to led to its' demise. Society cannot function under the ideals or institutions Andrew Ryan espoused. He was foolish, and people suffered for it.
jackharken 6 months ago 25
@jackharken lolno. The game was fantastic and provided a gateway to objectivism to a lot of amatuer philosophers out there, but please, unless you think the discovery of ADAM and plasmids are imminent (or are even remotely analogous to anything plausable), do not try and apply the outcome of Rapture to political rules to live by in reality.
Esker02 6 months ago
@Esker02 It did provide a gateway to objectivism for a lot of people, seeing its' effects. It wasn't ADAM or plasmids that destroyed Rapture, it was the ideals they applied to them. Society could've regulated the plasmids very very closely, making sure they were used very lightly and in extreme cases only for good. It was their failure to regulate or think about the moral ramifications of plasmids/ADAM that lead to their demise. The game developers used them since they were such good metaphors.
jackharken 5 months ago
@Esker02 You're mistaken in assuming that I say capitalism/objectivism was bad b/c of plasmids, so we shouldn't replicate that. No, we have to think about it. How would plasmids or ADAM come about? How would that kind of moral relativism emerge? In a society that rejected any notion of morality or right and wrong? Maybe an objectivist society? A libertarian one? Yes, yes indeed. It was b/c of those ideals that those things emerged, as other moral wrongs do in our society. Oppression of poor etc.
jackharken 5 months ago
@jackharken No political or philosophical doctrine dispenses of moral rights and wrongs, they only differ upon what they are and what foundations they rest upon (some more convincing than others). Objectivism and libertarianism are actually unwavering in their commitment TO rights (of individuals) and AGAINST wrongs (perpetrated by others upon that individual). You speak of an oppressed poor, but libertarianism, objectivism, and by extension, Rapture, are the logical antithesis of oppression.
Esker02 5 months ago
@Esker02 No you're right they don't, but libertarian/objectivist morality is entirely based on the rights of individuals, which do hold some importance to me. But morality has to be about more than that. Rapture/objectivism held individual rights close, but those rights can be just as damaging as helpful sometimes. They might say, "Is that man entitled to basic necessities, or am I entitled to care for my fellow man enough to do something about it? No they would say, he's not. That is IMMORAL.
jackharken 5 months ago
@jackharken Charity in itself is not immoral - it's the circumstances that surround it that make it so. For the typical libertarian, this means the use of government force to make it happen (tax funded welfare). For objectivists, this is extended to mean any force that makes you feel compelled to engage in charity (religion, etc). If you truly enjoy helping others, then you have the right to do so. But no man has the right to FORCE his needs on another man (or as you say, claim 'entitlement').
Esker02 5 months ago
@Esker02 Yeah it's not, but your focus on the individual is. This is why we need gov't, and authority, so we can band together to do something good for humanity. Not all individuals can decide what's right on their own, we need moral authority and guidance sometimes. Because while some humans are very reasonable and do what is right consistently, not all can do that. To have a just society, all people have to have an idea of what is just. We can't do that alone.
jackharken 5 months ago
@jackharken I think your characterization of those who don't agree with your concepts of "the good" as unreasonable and in need of "authority" and "guidance" is concerning. Part of Andrew Ryan's point, certainly, was that every evil ever perpetrated on man came from that very assumption. If you are truly certain of the reasonable merits of your perspective, namely that helping others is the right thing to do, the last thing you should need is force to convince others it is right, as well.
Esker02 5 months ago
@Esker02 Missing the point, a lot of institutions can be subverted for greed or personal gain, gov't, religion, community, marriage, moral authority. But that doesn't mean we should abandon the institutions themselves, that's like people who don't get married b/c a lot of people get divorced! In the same way, b/c gov't has been used in abusive ways in the past doesn't mean we can't make it a positive force in the future. Moral relativism means just excepting everyone's version of good as equally
jackharken 5 months ago
Good comes from banding together in agreement about something moral, political, religious, and implementing it. For example, it does no good if only I help the poor, that isn't going to do jack shit. I'm not saying forcefully impose moral guidelines on others, you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying we have to actually engage in conversation about what is morally right SO we can DO what is morally right. If we just ignore, and let everyone have their own versions of morality, we get nowhere
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Esker02 5 months ago
I say that we need moral guidance, I mean when conversation starts, not all voices count as equal, I'll take the professor's opinion over the average idiot. Why? Experience means something, people who know what they're talking about speak with some authority in any encounter. Presumably, the Pope is the Pope b/c he knows a lot about religion, go figure. I'm not saying we discard anyone's opinion, but we have to have some scale for what's right and wrong, I call it conscience, or reason.
jackharken 5 months ago
@Esker02 I'm sorry - posting 4 times. The conversation we should be having is: what is that moral standard? Should we make our decisions based on survival? Based on personal gain or power? (Nietzsche) Or should they be based on reason, helping one another, love and commitment? (Aquinas) Or maybe something else more complex? That's the conversation we SHOULD be having. The conversation shouldn't be "We should avoid discussing morality b/c that might involve actually saying something of substance.
jackharken 5 months ago
@jackharken I think you are missing my point. You claim that if only you engage in the "good" activity then no "good" will actually be done. You are quite right. But you also seem relatively certain that you have firm foundation, reasonably, for the "good" you wish to be done. By implication, then, this also implies most people agree with you. Why do you need the force of government (as all gov't IS force, that's all I meant) to compel "good" behavior, programs, etc, given those facts?
Esker02 5 months ago
@jackharken Even if I suppose, as your final post seems to, that there exists AN answer to the question of morality, and it is in fact not for reasonable persons to disagree upon, then I would say that the Aquinas view, born in an appeal to authority and secularized beyond all coherence, does not strike me as that answer. And yet to you, it seems so obviously the answer that it should have the force of law behind it. That's precisely the problem our original discussion was aimed at.
Esker02 5 months ago
@Esker02 I argue authority is an essential part of a good society. Not authority based on power or force, but on reason, ex. this person knows a lot and can help me understand something more deeply. God is for all good, but that doesn't mean we can't explain why good is good, why we should do good. I'm not saying we can find a definitive answer for all the mysteries of life, but we're going nowhere by not trying anything. Morality is important, and I want to know what you think.
jackharken 5 months ago
@jackharken I wouldn't mind having that discussion, but I think we've intruded on the good viewers of this song long enough. I'll send you a private message in response.
Esker02 5 months ago
@Esker02
I think it's pretty definite that Rapture civil war would eventually happen. ADAM just sped things up.
verterdegete 5 months ago
@verterdegete Agreed. Especially when general human nature is taken into account.
JerichoCrossDark 5 months ago
@jackharken Your comment.....it just about made me cry <3 :')
BabyDoll2086 3 months ago
@BabyDoll2086 Glad you enjoyed it ^.^
jackharken 3 months ago
@jackharken ...its a game, bro.
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@TheBiggamer64 I would agree that BioShock is in it's technical sense a game, but just as a book has underlying meanings and morals, a game can to. Reducing video games, BioShock in particular, to just "games" treats them as less than they are. They are an art form, a way of storytelling, they are not just distractions or something to keep us occupied for a while. Just in the same way I wouldn't tell someone who just read a really great book, "it's just a book" I wouldn't say, "it's just a game"
jackharken 3 months ago
@jackharken keep telling yourself that. cause when you boil right down to it...its just a fucking game. I doubt the developers were thinking as hard as you are.
TheBiggamer64 3 months ago
@TheBiggamer64 No one says, "it's just a book" or,"it's just a song" or, "it's just a speech" Why do you want to compartmentalize different arts or passions? What is it about entertainment that voids it from being intellectual or artful, I would define art as something that helps you see reality or the world in a new or better way, BioShock certainly did that for me. We define other works as intellectual or artful, why do video games have to be pure entertainment, when they can be so much more?
jackharken 3 months ago
@jackharken ...well said. Listen I honestly feel the same way. I didn't mean to sound like a jerk. I was just pissed off that day and took my anger out on youtube. (go me) lol but I agree completely and associate the same theories with many other games including Bioshock. Please forgive my nonsensical and irrational thinking.
TheBiggamer64 3 months ago
@TheBiggamer64 Thank you. Ah yeah I know what you mean. I wish there were more people on the internet who would do the same as you and be willing to talk honestly, and we all have those days I suppose. Your channel tells me you do have good taste in games.
jackharken 3 months ago
@jackharken well thank you very much for the compliment. And I couldn't agree more.
TheBiggamer64 3 months ago
@TheBiggamer64 aahhh its refreshing to see an arguement have a positive ending with both teams resolving there problem like a human should, peacefully.
BattletoDeath 2 months ago
@BattletoDeath if only it were like that more often. :(
TheBiggamer64 2 months ago
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@jackharken aahhh its refreshing to see an arguement have a positive ending with both teams resolving there problem like a human should, peacefully.
BattletoDeath 2 months ago
This song purely represents not the chaos, but the loss and despair Rapture and the people felt. Men and Women are falling stars, children robbed of innocents, and one man who was betrayed by his own idea. This song only plays in time of despair for Jack i.e. Atlas' family, a father's death, and the death of a fellow creature. Fuck Fontaine, fuck him! He is the monster, not Andrew, Andrew was simply dreaming....
Thomasveach95 6 months ago
in 2012. if there happens anything to the date where we are going under . im gonna play this music stare at the sky. and cry. and think. why... why... why so early...
runepusher64 6 months ago
@runepusher64
If the world ends in 2012 before I get to play BioShock Infinite, IMA EXPLODE!!!
MRbubbles754 6 months ago
3 splicers have revealed themselves so far
sirhim11 7 months ago
Is this where the submarine blew up?
The38DODGE 7 months ago
hmm their seem to be more thought out comments for bioshock videos then the call of duty video trolls
Macca909 7 months ago
@Macca909 agreed we are above them.
tundrafrog1124 6 months ago
I hope bioshock infinite has music like this...
Ident999 7 months ago
Play both at the same time and they almost merge into eachother's arrangements.
Chronolyse 7 months ago
Sounds like a slightly altered version of the intro to "Escape Time" from Elmer Bernstein's work on The Great Escape OST.
Chronolyse 7 months ago
When they play The Ocean On His Shoulders on BioShock 2 when your floating to the surface on the sub, and you look down at Rapture for the last time, it was breath taking. Now if they would have played this song while you rise to the surface...I'm guessing it would've given the other song a run for it's money.
MRbubbles754 7 months ago
This song makes me think that in Rapture, there might've been some people who never used ADAM, and were still sane and kind, and they might've have had splicers come in their homes, and destroy everything they had left. That would've been so frightening :'(
Wafflepal 7 months ago
Long live Rapture
HBSxShR3D 7 months ago
i think in the real world a place like rapture would never have collapsed. i see similarities between rapture and hong kong. due to hong kong's freedom and economic growth compared to mainland china, there weren't really any major social upheavals simply because the city's productivity enabled it to create a high standard of living for everyone. no class warfare needed if everyone is living decently.
here's to hoping that rapture is still out there somewhere, peaceful and prospering...
boys2mendoza 7 months ago
@boys2mendoza even in hong kong there is little free speach and its still a police state. Its more like total oposite. The whole point in bishock is that is shows it dosent work except for the person in charge due to the fact people need each other people except andrew ryan and fontaine due to there amount of wealth they needed know one. We are born to be slaves and so we will stay. As long as i have my job and family i am happy
ochick1 7 months ago
@ochick1 i'm not sure if you understand how hong kong works. it is a special region in china where they do not have to answer to the government in beijing. the mainland chinese government for the most part leaves them alone. hong kong is not communist, not a police state, and they have full freedom of speech, as well as the other rights citizens of western countries are accustomed to. this freedom has allowed its people to prosper and live in peace. bioshock and the rapture model actually works.
boys2mendoza 7 months ago
@boys2mendoza It is able to control itself except foreign relations and military defence. Military defence is a major part of the government in main china to keep populations in control and so there as well. Rapture has no trade with the surface were as hong kong is ninth most traded currency in the world. The main idea compareing it to rapture comes from the small super upper class which makes them powerfull but the rest live in poverty and no futur unlike rapture were they can work prosper
ochick1 7 months ago
"I know you must be feeling like the unluckiest man in the world right now, but you're the only chance that I'll see my wife and child again."-Atlas
The first time I played this game, that part and when the sub blows up really made me feel for him...To bad he turned out to be a bitch...
MRbubbles754 7 months ago 2
r.i.p. andrew ryan:'(
boughmanas 7 months ago 4
I see all the thumbs up on everyones comment and I have to say. We the fans are the True Rapture Family. Who else has so much love for their fellow fans. I wish I could live in Rapture with you all.
tundrafrog1124 7 months ago 2
@tundrafrog1124
I'm touched by your thoughts. Live in Rapture will be great. I imagine that day after by day... Everyone needs a shelter from "our perfect world". We've found it in this game, and i'm glad to know all of you neighbours ; )
Happy New 1959!
MrQuadrant 7 months ago
@MrQuadrant Good to know that people agree with me. Gives me less splicers to keep my eye on. lol I agree my escape is Rapture, and I need another game with it.
tundrafrog1124 7 months ago
Hey, if you enjoy this song, I highly recommend "On the Nature of Daylight" by Max Richter. Kinda has the same aura as this song. It was in Shutter Island, too, which I also recommend.
PrinceofNoir 8 months ago 2
Masterpiece, the whole world is something everybody thought about in deep ways it was handcrafted to perfection, unbelievably beautiful yet disgusting and savage it's just the more you indulge yourself in Bioshock, the more times you play it and listen to the music, the more you become attached, it could really be a reality, Rapture .
RickyForStation 8 months ago 14
Dammit Jack you lucky bastard... you got to be related to Andrew Ryan. @_@
BennickGAdeus 8 months ago
thinking of all the people that died in rapture rip
shadowzach00 9 months ago 6
I get so sad hearing this not only because of the city being turned to waste but how Andrew Ryan is dead :/ I remember like 5 minutes after killing him this sad music comes on and i'm just like >.< oops
boughmanas 9 months ago 4
I'm Fucking stoned. I am at a lost for words, its like being there. All those lost hopes, dreams, gone, just wanting to live differently. There was essentially 3 type of societies out there, those that are runned by government, religion or of War. Andrew Ryan and his people said no to these three, and found that there was no problems in their way of life. But with everything in life, good things come with a price. Thumbs up if Bioshock is the deepest experience you ever had.
reanedful 9 months ago 105
3 people are Goddamn Sploicers.
xelnagahomie 9 months ago 3
@xelnagahomie Sodding disliking splicers! Get the shotgun!
Astroman9991 8 months ago
This song brings tears to my eyes still to this very day it is a masterpiece.
RelentlessShooter 10 months ago
"What did Atlas offer you? A piece of my plundered city? Mark my words: your only reward will be a knife in the back." -Andrew Ryan.
CheesehChewz 10 months ago 7
@CheesehChewz Sadly, he was tell the truth.
Garudo30 9 months ago
@Garudo30 Yep. :c
CheesehChewz 9 months ago
Just finished Bioshock, good ending.
Wow...I'll miss Rapture. Not when it was all trashed up...but I miss fantasizing on what it used to be...a Utopia.
TenkanVlog 10 months ago
@LockAndL0ad I wish people would stop comparing the two like that, they were both good games! The only thing I was dissapointed about Bioshock 2 was that they made the choice to have multiple Big Sisters, I wish they would have just stayed with one.
Cryoshock123 1 year ago
3 people were the splicers in those empty houses.
Wafflepal 1 year ago
3 people are too spliced up to appreciate a great soundtrack when they hear one...
axeldrane 1 year ago
Maybe te best piece of all. I remember coming out of Tenenbaum's orphanage while listening to this. I was ovewhelmed with grief and anxiety, witnessing the fate of Ryan's utopia. Computer games sure have grown up these days.
JJSideshowBob 1 year ago
Such a sad, beautiful composition.
The Bioshock games (and their soundtracks) are really something.
Veld1012 1 year ago
The confrontation with Ryan, those minutes of horrifying comprehension really did floor me. This music plays not long after you emerge from Tenebaum's safehouse and I think I was still in a daze. I thought that I had been on a quest of great honour first to save, and then to avenge, Atlas' family. I really wanted to avenge Moira & Patrick, and I LIKED Atlas. The truth was really gut-wrenching, but a great moment. Went through every emotion with this game - and I absolutely loved it.
Eradicus 1 year ago 10
@Eradicus Noone was in the submarine. Atlas faked it. After you find out Atlas is Frank Fontaine...
morganleer 10 months ago
@morganleer Damn you spoiler
adderhead216 10 months ago
@adderhead216 Lol..
morganleer 10 months ago
-You ooze in like an assassin, and then you try to sneak out like a thief! You're no CIA spook. Who are you! Why have you come here!
-There's two ways to deal with mystery: uncover it, or eliminate it.
Dontbeahater102 1 year ago 4
Why does this give me absolute goosebumps? =[
<3
Garanta27 1 year ago
Brings tears, and comes not long after you find out the hours you've toiled, the blood you have spilt to avenge Atlas' family, to save Atlas and yourself, to destroy the evil Ryan, was all a lie. I was seriously blown away and completely disheartened when Fontaine revealed himself. Probably the best moment in any game, ever
Eradicus 1 year ago 8
@Eradicus best twist in gaming i agree
darkchaser25 11 months ago
Know what I hate? This is slightly off topic but...all of those people who say video-games are a waste of time. I want to go and tell them to buy Bioshock, and go and listen to some of the most amazing music, meet some of the most in-depth characters, and learn one of the most delicate, beautiful stories of all time. But no, those stubborn jerks say 'video-games make you fat and lazy'
They can teach you so much. Time enjoyed wasting, is not wasted. Anyway, great game. Love it with all me heart.
thefuzzbuzzmuzzcuzz 1 year ago 12
@thefuzzbuzzmuzzcuzz its because some of the world's widley known video games give bad impressions.
Fishstixj4l 1 year ago
@Fishstixj4l I'd count BioShock among that list.
doom032 1 year ago
WOULD YOU KINDLY...?
Agusloquillo 1 year ago
@Agusloquillo FUCK YOU MOM =)
RACSO111095 1 year ago
Now who is excited for Bioshock Infinite!!!!
BurnKun0aka0John 1 year ago 2
This music is better than the 2nd ones music BY FAR!!!!!
danny9192 1 year ago
I can't help but feel like it was the people who failed Raptured, not Ryan. Ryan was right about you, the character, and about Atlas so how could he have not been right?
TehPiemaygor 1 year ago
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Bioshock is a puzzle, a series of poignant questions. which is why i believe only intelligent people can truly enjoy it.
conmand1 1 year ago
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Bioshock is a puzzle, a series of poignant questions. which is why i believe only intelligent people can truly enjoy it.
conmand1 1 year ago
This music REALLY REALLY gets you in the mood to play Bioshock! :D
BJARRGH12 1 year ago
Completely agree with Astroman9991, Rapture really seems like the ultimate city. But I do not agree about the plasmids part. After all, that was the reason why the whole war started, and therefore the reason why Rapture fell.
DrunkenPanda200 1 year ago
Sarah Palin, would you be so kind as to run into a big daddy
oliveraldama 1 year ago 3
@oliveraldama
This ought to be the most popular comment on youtube.
Jzadek72 1 year ago
@oliveraldama Dude, it's not 'if you would be so kind'. It's 'would you kindly'. So it would be 'Sarah Palin, would you kindly run into a Big Daddy'. :D
ColdRiceBall 1 year ago
@oliveraldama haha lolz
Jostipi 1 year ago
video game IS art
Hutcarlingos 1 year ago
Even in a book of lies sometimes you find truth.
-AR
ReissySemple 1 year ago 3
-inserts all Bioshock, and Bioshock 2, and soon, Bioshock: Infinite, quotes-
Yeah, music in the game is the best part, describing all.
TheLynxie 1 year ago
omg someone accidently pushed the dislike button.or maybe its some freaking slicer.ok baby my wrench is read COME GET SOME!
FatalAnal1ty 1 year ago
this sound like somthink i heared on the end of halo 3 when everyone thought that master chief had died in the destruction of the second ring...
gamergirl22816 1 year ago
1 person will get his ass kicked by big daddy :D
hugomaster50 1 year ago
How anyone could dislike this, I dont know
Poprocks311 1 year ago
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Such a great game
Andrew223a 1 year ago
Damn, I video game I should always remember in my life should be Bioshock.
Pikipii 1 year ago
this song makes me sad
NecroKillerOfficial 1 year ago
I'd love to visit Rapture before the Civil War, I'd love it, especially the plasmids and the uncensorship and limitations of Government, Religion and War.
To that one Dislike Person....Would you Kindly get stepped on by a Big Daddy?
Astroman9991 1 year ago 163
@Astroman9991 The point of the game was that Rapture could never have survived on such an extreme political foundation. It was doomed from the beginning by Andrew Ryan's pathological hatred of the ways of the outside world... a city founded on hatred, and doomed by it. That's exactly why it is so tragic.
NeoItoh 1 year ago 3
@NeoItoh No, Rapture didn't survive because Andrew Ryan was too proud to accept challenges. Ryan thought that he was too good and had no holes in his game or character. If he had an effective system of handling disruptors, Rapture would have never fallen. The system Ryan had was very similar to Germany's SS, the SS didn't do much but evil and evil is not a great technology that survives long.
oliveraldama 1 year ago
@oliveraldama Interesting stance... he was indeed a proud man, and the debates with Sofia Lamb that can be heard in the second game prove that he was unable to accept any point of view but his own. He couldn't even accept that living under the sea might make people feel depressed and lonely, and was disgusted at the thought of bringing a psychologist into his city.
NeoItoh 1 year ago
@NeoItoh Yes, I see that. I also feel that the stories of part 1 and 2 go to show the lack of practicality, usefulness and effectiveness of two systems that don't work. Communism or the government under 1 ruler, Ryan....and Psychiatry. To this day Psychiatry has cured nothing yet they call themselves doctors.
oliveraldama 1 year ago
@NeoItoh And the music adds to the tragic lost of a city that was once so beautiful...sometimes, I wish i could had lived there before things were kicking off.
Astroman9991 1 year ago