The real way the American Health Insurance system works!!

[DCUPtoejuice]

1. HMOs are a fascist system of government corporate alliance

2. Forcing people to pay for other people's medical care is immoral

3. Any company or government involvement gets between patients and doctors

4. Costs are high because health care does not operate as a free market

[paladinee]

@DCUPtoejuice

2: Letting people die is inmoral.

3. No, since you can demand the goverment if something goes wrong they make sure it works the best possible.

4. No, they are cheaper since all workers contribute to the same system instead of paying multiple systems.

[DCUPtoejuice]

@paladinee

you should have lived in East Germany, I think you would have liked it there.

[paladinee]

@DCUPtoejuice

No dont think so, but consider that the U.S is the only "1º world" country not to have free health policies.

[DCUPtoejuice]

@paladinee We do a lot of thinks right in the US that the rest of the world is confused about.

[paladinee]

@DCUPtoejuice

Like Churchill said once:

" The U.S.A will do everything wrong the most number of times possible then follow Europes example"

[DCUPtoejuice]

@paladinee unfortunately this has some truth as we gradually degenerate from free country to the misery of europian socialism.

[Charlesperalo]

Ahh yes for the American healthcare system has never done any good has it? Highest cancer survival rate, shortest lines, doubles the rest of the world in innovation, most low weight babies delivered and it'd all be better if government was taken out of the equation.

[pluto4847]

@Charlesperalo

That's your subjective opinion.

[capcom1]

@Charlesperalo Lol You forgot

#1 What the United States spent on health care in 2009 was greater than the entire GDP of Great Britain.

#2 According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980. Today they account for approximately 16.3%.

#3 The United States spent 2.47 trillion dollars on health care in 2009. It is being projected that the U.S. will spend 4.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2019.

[capcom1]

#4 One study found that approximately 41 percent of working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

#5 According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States. Of those bankruptcies that were caused by medical bills, approximately 75 percent of them involved individuals that actually did have health insurance.

[capcom1]

#6 Over the past decade, health insurance premiums have risen three times faster than wages have in the United States.

#8 The top executives at the five largest for-profit health insurance companies in the United States combined to receive nearly $200 million in total compensation for 2009.

#9 Even as the rest of the country struggled with a deep recession, U.S. health insurance companies increased their profits by 56 percent during 2009 alone.

[capcom1]

#10 According to a report by Health Care for America Now, America's five biggest for-profit health insurance companies ended 2009 with a combined profit of $12.2 billion.

#11 In the United States, health insurance administration expenses account for 8 percent of all health care costs. In Finland, that figure is just 2 percent.

[capcom1]

#27 The infant mortality rate in the United States is nearly three times as high as it is in Singapore.

In fact , just look up , 50 U.S. Health Care Statistics That Will Absolutely Astonish You cant pay for that op that you needed to save your life , well we will be taking your house and making you bankrupt , your brought up being told by your Government that the rest of the world is wrong and private profit driven healthcare is the only way and you all fall for it like herded sheep

[Charlesperalo]

@capcom1 You do realize in the US we take the most risk. Also it counts as infant mortality if the child dies 1 minute after birth. Compared to other countries where it counts only if an hour later or even a day like in Cuba.

[Charlesperalo]

@capcom1 Alright well first off what's wrong with profits? It just means there's incentive for people to do the work. So more people can come in and the market gets better. Problem with the US is they have so many restrictions on health insurance companies competition can't come in as easily. I can't buy insurance in New Jersey even though I live in Manhattan. Hell if a Chinese entrepreneur says he's going to sell insurance to the US from China, I should be able to buy from him.

[Charlesperalo]

@capcom1 Healthcare is the most regulated industry in the US. It's hell to open a health insurance company and than you can only sell to people based on regions. Also regarding profits going that happens due to little competition. Also the quality is clearly there due to the quality of US healthcare. We have extremely high quality health insurance and release 50% of the drugs for the entire world. Without our system Europe would suffer as well as us.

[Charlesperalo]

@capcom1 Well first off that's due to coops which keep cost of health insurance down and also allow people to shop around. Also regarding medical debt perhaps the system that causes the high cost needs to be looked at. I can't buy a drug unless it takes a decade to be approved. Can't get a doctor who's slightly less qualified, but would easily pass in another country. Also I'm stuck with an extremely regulated health insurance industry.

[Charlesperalo]

@capcom1 Well first off that shows the benefit of a free market. Yet I digress and will explain why it's so high. 80% of the cost of medicine comes from things like heart attacks, strokes and cancer. We double all of these countries in terms of obesity. So naturally we pay twice as much. Also requirements to be a doctor and cost of drugs due to the FDA are much tougher boosting cost. Yet we still have the fewest lines, most new drugs and highest survival rates for many problems.