@maokly1 scan +-120° in azimut & elevation, P_peak 18,75kW incl. losses (by 2 x 10kW TWT). Detection range officially 90km for 0,001m² RCS but highly unlikely, 'cause that's E-3 AWACS range without RISP-upgrade. If u take 140km vs 1m² for BARS with 4,8kW P_peak as reference, and the slightly worse noise figure of 3,5dB, the radar equation gives u 161km vs 1m² RCS for IBRIS-E. For a small fighter (2,5m² RCS) in excess of 202km. Only raptor's APG-77 has more detection range (ca 230km vs fighter).
The radar moves to track targets in any direction; US has radar that does the same and doesn't have to move and bother with the mechanical/hydraulic side of it.
On August 18th at Maks 2009 the Russian Air Force has officially Purchased 48 Su-35BM the Contract is delivery for 48 by 2015 and 4 Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27sm by 2011
indeed,M.Sullan,J.S.Przemieniecki or,better, S.Vernikov models are WAY more accurate but also much much more complex!!). 4) "Theoretically the platform could carry 14 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9Xs for a grand total of 16 missiles, significantly more than the SU-30...At IOC the F-35A will be able to launch with 10 AMRAAMs..and a dual rail, internal launcher..will allow 12".Ah ah ah ,also the most dishonest and money-blinded engineer will laugh at a similar TITANIC IDIOCY...i DON'T COMMENT for mercy!
thank you for sending private message. Your english+youtube commenting method= there's no way I would understand anything. From now on, we can exchange responce thru messaging. You don't have to post here anymore. Please await my reply!
stealthyf23 i am sorry this program order my intervention at random! Read in this way 1)Ok start! --2)Pat Hewitt declaration---3)similar design--4)215 NMI of range--5)simply ASTOUNDING---6) presented in Prof. Raj Jain study--7)w w w . cs . wustl . Ok? read in this order!
simply ASTOUNDING.3)Here Dr Kopp mistakes average PK with an individual missile shots PK .. taking the total number of AIM-120 combat shots and taking the % of successes and then attempting to use those numbers as some sort of evidence for a particular missile shots probability of success is a fundamentally flawed line of logic in my opinion".Man your opinion is the opinion of a DECEREBRATED TOAD! With also a MINIMUM of knowledge of the field you will know who this graphic is the more simple
presented in Prof. Raj Jain study entitled)" Analytical Modeling of Beyond Visual Range Air Combatat its time founded on J.S. Przemieniecki, Mathematical Methods In Defense Analyses, 3rd Ed(2001).because it is NOT reported down at the end of APA notams(because ALL working in the field know this "staple" work!!)it is a creation of Kopp...UNBELIEVABLE! stealthyf23 i give you the link to the study,so also you can realize the ignorance and bad faith of this man
w w w . cs . wustl . edu / ~ jain / cse567 - 08 / ftp / combat / index . html(cancel the spaces)--note: if in equations nr 14-16 and 20-27 and 30-34 you implement data for R-77 and AIM 120D(from at example:Robert E. Ball, "The Fundamentals Of Aircraft Combat, Survivability Analysis And Design", 2nd Ed 2003) and numbers of aircraft and missile carryed (4 for F-35 8 F-22 12 SU 35BM)speed and distance,you can have a model of attrition in a typical engagement chosed by you(also if quite rough
215 NMI of range and a world of guidance and acquisition option;all with NO EQUIVALENT IN WESTERN ARSENALS!!(i don't take this two in account only because,for cost reason,russian use similar missile for anti-ISR missions).2)"..even the AIM-120B included a home on jam feature rendering noise jamming...obsolete"ah ah,ALL R-77 have a inbuilt "home on jam" feature!!! and accounting also for this who is calculated the PK of a BVR missile(recontrol chapter 6 par. 4 of Sterensen book),its ignorance is
similar design[ read J.S.Sterensen"The Pysics of modern missiles"2007]). The equivalent of AIM 120D IS R-77/RVV-AE-PD!! (pratically already completed and supplied to Kant airbase):range 108,6NMI,inertial midcourse datalink and anti-radiation and electro-optical QWIP imaging seekers option,LARGELY head of AIM 120D like R77M with AIM 120A/B/C.This not counting MONSTERS like R-37(operative):MACH 6 and 165 NMI of range DOUBLE seeker,QWIP and radar with 21,2 NMI of range and Novator RVV-L / R-172
Ok start! 1)"R-27ER vs.The NEZ for an F/A-18F probably sit somewhere in the 30~40 nm range mark(vs a max speed :MACH1,8 ,thrust/weight: 0.92 and aerodynamically "stable" F/A 18 A/B? ahah,perhaps vs a F-15..but read after)....over half of the stated maximum range of the R-27 and well under half of the AIM-120Ds maximum range. This "comedian" for try to twist data so clear is forced...TO COMPARE A MISSILE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT--AIM 120D--(inventing also max range: 88,4 NMI,NOT 100!
(a similar idiot "propaganda" exsist in a IDENTICAL FORM!,but reversed,in ex Warsaw pact nations!!)..the reality is who scientific "peaks"are more or less evenly distributed( or rather Russian,thanks above all,to a average quality of minds highter....some,believe me, are really super-human!!,have also a edge on this!!) 2) Operative result collected in war's theatres defined by CRUSHING multicomponential disparity,was simply highly deceptive.If you want,ask to me and i give you some example.
I understand exactly where you come from. There are 3 types of folks: the know-nothing, who like you said, believe what most people believe with no logical approach to it. Then come the know-on-the-surface (the ones Kopp target, since they are the ones that genuinely care about the issue, but not knowledgeable enough to see through his tricks ). Then come the know-enough, who, times and times again, proven Kopp to be a clown in his own game.
Irbis is both electronically, and mechanically scanned. This gives it the advantages of both scanning methods. The multiple target tracking capability, and simultaneous scan/track of the electronic scan, And the large field of view of the machanical scan. Best of both worlds. PESA radars are generally more powerful. The only advantages of AESA are graceful degradation, because of multiple transmitters. And lower power consumption which also usually means smaller radiated power.
Nope, the PESA russian radars installed in current generation fighters are capable of every role an f-22 fighter aircraft can handle besides flying with a superior low radar signature. They are a compliment of russian enginuity and pride, since a PESA radar can be more powerful and capable then an AESA apg-77 radar. then again its parallel to one another.
1. PESA cannot do multiple missions at the same time, as it uses the same frequency for all of its cells.
2. This is a mechanically scanned array, making it less responsive, and reliable
3. AESA can be just as powerful as the PESA, but have the ability to use multiple frequencies at the same time because it does not depend on one individual radiation source.
the PESA russian systems have same characteristics, they are anti-jamming and have counter measure abilities. the AESA is sensitive which is why in a rough battle the PESA is more reliable.
this radar is slated for induction on Su-30mki mk3 to be produced in India ~2010 :)
However I am very very curious about what radar the new PAK FA plane will have.All will probably be revealed in 2009 Q1 when sukhoi unveils that baby.
not always, but in this case, the APG-77, with 250km detection range for 1m^2 targets, vs 400km for 3m^2 targets, both similar in ranges.
However, the APG-77, being purely electronically steered/aimed, has great advantages over this mechanically steered radar.
Also, being AESA, it is far more reliable than PESA, while capable of doing much more, such as being more difficult to jam, capable of doing multiple roles at the same time, etc.
the russians have been combining PESA technology with AESA technology though, and both together seem to be going well for Russia. whats funny is that the russian AESA radar is less powerfull then the russian PESA radars. the BARS and the IRBIS are more then capable of performing these actions, especially jamming and resilience against jamming. The russians thanks to more funding made the radar more capable of multiple rolls.
Performance: Azimuth Coverage 120 ° with both mechanical and electronically steering, Coverage in Elevation 60 °, Max Detection Range 400 km (216 nm) target RCS = 3 sqm, Max Engagement Range 150 km (81 nm), Small Air Target Detection Range 90 km (49 nm) target RCS = 0.01 sqm
Other: Engaged Aerial Targets 8 with RVV-AE missiles or two with semi-active guidance missiles, Tracked Aerial Targets 30
Ahem... the 350km range is for targets with RCS of 3M^2
Where as the 193km range for APG-77 is for 1m^2
More or less the same on the range.
However, the APG-77 is an AESA radar, making it more difficult to be intercepted, jamed, and voltage failures. At the same time have greater ability to jam other radars.
If you want to see REAL graphic projection of APG-77 and IRBIS-E radars, go to w w w . ausairpower . net ,press on Flanker ,search down from -Flanker and related articles- F/A-18E/F Super Hornet vs. Sukhoi Flanker (January/February 2007).On the middle of article you find APG-77 on the bottom IRBIS-E. The only true advantage of AESA radars vs a PESA radar with similar power aperture is LPILow Probability of Intercept(the PROBLEM is who new ELS-Emitter locating Systems-can track it easly!!!)
stealthyf23 from your statement i presume you know,from a delved analysis of its works,who Carlo Kopp is OR a ignorant of sector OR in bad faith! Yes..yes it must...MUST BE a CLOWN (a clown SENIOR member of the AMERICAN Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,ex director and member of the Institution of Electrical and Electronic Engineers,and of the Association of Old Crows...and among the first THREE NAMES on the "field"of the WOLE PLANET!).It must be a clown because it has maked evident,
yeb, I know who Carlo Kopp is. A man who is still angry that his company's proposals getting turned down (no job), and now plotting to prey on the uninformed to hopefully stir up something of little significance.
with a cold,scientific approach,two thing who anyone with a minimum of knowledge of the matter Know perfectly: 1) the presumed technological superiority of USA on RUSSIA is simply a "myth"spreaded by media--note:i am borne and live in a NATO country! and at the beginning,when i started to read scientific books on the subjects,i was truly deluded and saddened discovering who ours famous scientific and technological primacy,of wich at the time i was so proud,was simply a reassuring FABLE
stealthyf23 i cite Kopp for one only reason: it is a SCIENTIFIC AUTHORITY of the sector and is accessible,with its site,to anyone(unlike specialized books),but my font is NOT w w w . ausairpower . net, but the UNIVERSAL "staple"scientific book on which ALL serious study found itself. I have cited graphic projection of APG-77 and IRBIS-E radars on ausairpower (remind who Kopp is a GREAT, STRENUOUS F-22 supporter...,but intellectually honest); from your intervention i have realized
that I agree. Kopp has a wealth of technical data. However, his so called "analysis" is extremely biased (he has the tendency of leaving out inconvient facts, while inserting irrelevant claims). I don't know if it's money that corrupted him or it's just anger issue.
you think this graphics are a creation of Carlo Kopp. If you are "know- enough".... you remember perfectly where them come from and realize marginal error for this projection is about 0,0273!! Rely on scientific data,not in its interpretation(Kopp comprised),But don't trust NEVER the words of makers...money can corrupt anyone!
yes, the data itself is correct. However, if you take into consideration of other factors, the final result will be different. And this is one of the game Kopp plays. He only present data that helps his argument while leaving out the rest. The same can be said about his analysis of the AESA and IRBIS-E.
if you just gonna look at the range, while leaving out factor such as how each type of radar's approach to get this range, and how such power input effect the resolution of the radar, etc. than I don't think the judgment made is correct.
"if you just gonna look at the range, while leaving out factor such as how each type of radar's approach to get this range, and how such power input effect the resolution of the radar".I quote you 100%!This is ABSOLUTELY correct.Rather i can add who APG-77 is WITHOUT any doubt technologically superior than IRBIS-E(1500 element,higher antenna receiver/transmitter bandwidth,upper signal/data processing performance,quicker beamsteering agility and above all high electron mobility transistor-HEMT-)
In fact,like pointed out by Kopp same russian developers don't have stated the IRBIS-E superiority on APG-77 despite it out-range F-22 Radar of about 80 NMI [148 Km] (thanks to tangible greater power aperture).The reason is other advantages of a AESA radar(like LPI- Low Probability of Intercept)greatly outweigh the lack in range. The problem is another: NEZ -No Escape Zone- of a last generation BVR-Beyond Visual Range-missile(AIM 120D)against a MACH 2,2 speed capable opponent is about 1/3 of
maximum range(about 54 km)and in THIS range the PK-Probability to Kill- vs a full protected target is not superior to 15-17%(and also less vs a "supermanoeuvrable"opponent like SU-35BM !).Now this is NOT a problem if you think your probable enemy is Iraq,Serbia, Iran etc.. because the RESOURCES difference allow you to attack a single opponent's aircraft with 4-5 F-22 back upped by AWACS and stand-off jammers from 3 or 4 directions at the same time outside the degraded radar's envelop of enemy,
without risking pratically nothing(like in last 2 wars)...the problem(A GREAT ONE) is if your nation is situated near two ascending power(like China and India) who each year increase expopnentially its military expenditures,but can buy or produce very high performance aircraft at INCREDIBLE LOW COST(1 F-22=4,2 SU-35BM) ! You can easily realize who if you can expend same money of USA in the example the same 5 F-22 and escort must to fight vs 21 SU-35 and 3 or 4 A-50!! (A SUICIDE).For Australia
luck this simmetry of employed resources between USA and China or India is still far from materialization(35-40 years)and this is the only TRUE motivation so far Carlo Kopp has fighted so harshly against F-35( largely inferior!)in favour of F-22,because NUMBERS OF ACTUAL OPPONENT'S AIRCRAFT AND ASSETS AT HANDS,it is BY FAR the most cost-efficient. This DON'T CANCEL who"symmetrical" engagements between COMPARABLE opponents,see above 68% of involved aircarfts merge in Within Visual Range fight !!!
Kopp fought so harshly because f-35 (and super hornet) were in favor over his company's proposal to uprade existing f-111 into some sort of fantasy fighter with additional buy of f-22. So of course, he has a grudge against it that his company lost the deal. His analysis on f-35 and the rhino (super hornet) are extremely misleading and sometimes flat out lies. I'll send u several sources that counter his arguments, and not so surprisingly, also points out his method of dishonesty.
I wait your sources ,naturally they MUST be equally and SCIENTIFICALLY argued with OPPOSITE data! Because those gived by Dr.Carlo Kopp(but also Dr. :Alan Moore-Piotr Samczynski-Keith Ward-Björn Larsson ....ALL among WESTERN first 6 or 7 name at world!) don't leave any space to interpretations! I wait.....ah, and please don't trust in "classified"data..in this field all you need is absolutely unclassified data of........LAWS OF PHYSICS!!!
not exactly opposite data. Like I say before, Kopp doesn't necessarily present false data, rather he only present a SELECTIVE numbers of data that will support his argument. By this method, his argument would sound very logical and well supported. I'll present my case through private messaging. youtube comments don't work for me.
Man please tell me this is NOT a your FONTS.....this "comment" is one of the greater IDIOCY ever uttered by a man on the subject!!! If you envoy this JOKE to Carlo Kopp,it enlarge to poster size and hang it in its office! to prove the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE or BAD faith or,worst,BOTH of its detractors!! MAN ,tell me you not have readed it...it is simply LAUGHABLE! It is like a child who try to undermine with argomentation taked from catoons the scientific argumentations of a Nobel physicist!!
and what part of it that doesn't make sense, may I ask? or what part of it isn't logically spoken? Please, refrain from typical bashing without backed up logical argument and evidence.
Pat Hewitt declaration of 4 months ago!!!)with a missile operative from 21 YEARS (R-27 ER 1998: Jane's defence).The problem is who R-77/ M/ PD(like probably EVEN it know!)is,by a large edge,superior to AIM 120A/B/C in kinematics performances AND in "agility"(max G,and RTFD)-above all for "lattice work fins" at the rear,who,contrary to conventional deltas of AIM 120,reduce DRASTICALLY loss of energy when chasing a maneuvering target(nobody, at now,was capable of reproduce and engineerize a
w w w . cs . wustl . edu / ~ jain / cse567 - 08 / ftp / combat / index . html(cancel the spaces)--note: if in equations nr 14-16 and 20-27 and 30-34 you implement data for R-77 and AIM 120D(from at example:Robert E. Ball, "The Fundamentals Of Aircraft Combat, Survivability Analysis And Design", 2nd Ed 2003) and numbers of aircraft and missile carryed (4 for F-35 8 F-22 12 SU 35BM)speed and distance,you can have a model of attrition in a typical engagement chosed by you(also if quite rough
Finds out the purposes with an effective reflecting surface 3 m2 on distance of 400 km. And with an effective reflecting surface 0.01 м2 on distance of 90 km
bro - shudra is right. this will be installed on the mki later on. currently we use the NP- 011 M Bars like you said but that is just hybrid esa. Since then Russia has developed Irbis - E, which is very powerful, operating in the 20KW range. This will also equip the Mig - 35 which was contending for the MMRCA contract but later pulled out because russia could not promise delivery of the OVT Migs with Irbis radars before 2014 or 15. Hope this helps.
If I'm correct I think it's going in the Su 35. The Su 35 will be the most advanced of the Su class. They are due to get more powerful engines as well.
It's a very powerful radar but the AN/APG-77 specs are most likely not correct. Over 50% of the F-22 capbabilities are classified so are its avionics. Any you read on public sites are not going to be correct.
That is indeed true. But there is no official spec other than the ATF requirement of 125nm for 1m^2 target in LPI mode. Those requirements were met (actual figures classified). So I was going by the baseline requirement.
I just use to read more reliable sources than 'US Pilot at MAKS'
Lockheed Martin Delivers 100th F-22 Raptor to The U.S. MARIETTA, Ga., Aug. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin formally delivered the 100th F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter to the U.S. Air Force in ceremonies here today. The milestone aircraft (Air Force serial number 05-0100) will be assigned to the 90th Fighter Squadron at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. "
Congress just approved finances for 60 more Raptors.
OK, with 100 Raptors at service and 60 to come, we will need first to built at least close numbers of this super-puper bird for own AF, not just for export...
Who said you this bull shit about 100 raptors in USAF? I asked US pilot on MAKS he said that raptor is not on duty. And thay onli test it and learn how fly on it.
Cool, i guess it is AESA
IsraeliXdude 2 months ago
the F35's APG-81 radar can easily jam this thing.
Stridus7 4 months ago
@Stridus7 ...nop Su35 also have electronic war toys...beside right now there are no F35 flying...dont? XD
mauricioalfredo83 4 months ago
@mauricioalfredo83 only minor defends to resist communication jamming, but no change againt the F35 avionics.
Stridus7 4 months ago
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@Stridus7 "the F35's APG-81 radar can easily jam this thing." --Last thought in NATO pilot's life.
EagleOwlHayakawa 1 month ago
SPECS??????????????????
maokly1 5 months ago
@maokly1 scan +-120° in azimut & elevation, P_peak 18,75kW incl. losses (by 2 x 10kW TWT). Detection range officially 90km for 0,001m² RCS but highly unlikely, 'cause that's E-3 AWACS range without RISP-upgrade. If u take 140km vs 1m² for BARS with 4,8kW P_peak as reference, and the slightly worse noise figure of 3,5dB, the radar equation gives u 161km vs 1m² RCS for IBRIS-E. For a small fighter (2,5m² RCS) in excess of 202km. Only raptor's APG-77 has more detection range (ca 230km vs fighter).
midgetman2142 4 months ago
he's watching you
wepajnc 6 months ago
i hers su-35 will not get the l-band only pak fa will.
N1cholas240 9 months ago
The radar moves to track targets in any direction; US has radar that does the same and doesn't have to move and bother with the mechanical/hydraulic side of it.
milkster07 2 years ago
russia also has a radar that not need to move,( AESA) radar, the MiG-35 has such.
nekoizmase4 2 years ago
Okay, I see; this radar is smaller than the V-2; I wonder what capabilities the V-3 has.
milkster07 2 years ago
i rolfed.....
aesa radar of usa they only use vertical not horizontal..
GIANNHSPEIRAIAS 2 years ago
we've got em too but they are still in use new radors dont have to move to detect targets and T50 PAK FA is with such a these radars
Detroy90player 1 year ago
/watch?v=KW0x2EDghbE
Detroy90player 1 year ago
i am a complete novice with these things. but can some tell me y the radar array is moving ?
adnankab 2 years ago
To be able to track or lock target ,below or above him, also left and right side.
For e
zoranns83 2 years ago
On August 18th at Maks 2009 the Russian Air Force has officially Purchased 48 Su-35BM the Contract is delivery for 48 by 2015 and 4 Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27sm by 2011
omnadrener 2 years ago
I thought the Su-35 had an AESA radar
LoudS1l3nc3 2 years ago
later it will have one :D
Sheilfalkyr 2 years ago
Nice Antenna for a multi-mode radar, Air to Air, Air to Gound (SAR).
ad2181 2 years ago 7
indeed,M.Sullan,J.S.Przemieniecki or,better, S.Vernikov models are WAY more accurate but also much much more complex!!). 4) "Theoretically the platform could carry 14 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9Xs for a grand total of 16 missiles, significantly more than the SU-30...At IOC the F-35A will be able to launch with 10 AMRAAMs..and a dual rail, internal launcher..will allow 12".Ah ah ah ,also the most dishonest and money-blinded engineer will laugh at a similar TITANIC IDIOCY...i DON'T COMMENT for mercy!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
thank you for sending private message. Your english+youtube commenting method= there's no way I would understand anything. From now on, we can exchange responce thru messaging. You don't have to post here anymore. Please await my reply!
stealthyf23 2 years ago
stealthyf23 i am sorry this program order my intervention at random! Read in this way 1)Ok start! --2)Pat Hewitt declaration---3)similar design--4)215 NMI of range--5)simply ASTOUNDING---6) presented in Prof. Raj Jain study--7)w w w . cs . wustl . Ok? read in this order!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
simply ASTOUNDING.3)Here Dr Kopp mistakes average PK with an individual missile shots PK .. taking the total number of AIM-120 combat shots and taking the % of successes and then attempting to use those numbers as some sort of evidence for a particular missile shots probability of success is a fundamentally flawed line of logic in my opinion".Man your opinion is the opinion of a DECEREBRATED TOAD! With also a MINIMUM of knowledge of the field you will know who this graphic is the more simple
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
presented in Prof. Raj Jain study entitled)" Analytical Modeling of Beyond Visual Range Air Combatat its time founded on J.S. Przemieniecki, Mathematical Methods In Defense Analyses, 3rd Ed(2001).because it is NOT reported down at the end of APA notams(because ALL working in the field know this "staple" work!!)it is a creation of Kopp...UNBELIEVABLE! stealthyf23 i give you the link to the study,so also you can realize the ignorance and bad faith of this man
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
w w w . cs . wustl . edu / ~ jain / cse567 - 08 / ftp / combat / index . html(cancel the spaces)--note: if in equations nr 14-16 and 20-27 and 30-34 you implement data for R-77 and AIM 120D(from at example:Robert E. Ball, "The Fundamentals Of Aircraft Combat, Survivability Analysis And Design", 2nd Ed 2003) and numbers of aircraft and missile carryed (4 for F-35 8 F-22 12 SU 35BM)speed and distance,you can have a model of attrition in a typical engagement chosed by you(also if quite rough
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
215 NMI of range and a world of guidance and acquisition option;all with NO EQUIVALENT IN WESTERN ARSENALS!!(i don't take this two in account only because,for cost reason,russian use similar missile for anti-ISR missions).2)"..even the AIM-120B included a home on jam feature rendering noise jamming...obsolete"ah ah,ALL R-77 have a inbuilt "home on jam" feature!!! and accounting also for this who is calculated the PK of a BVR missile(recontrol chapter 6 par. 4 of Sterensen book),its ignorance is
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
similar design[ read J.S.Sterensen"The Pysics of modern missiles"2007]). The equivalent of AIM 120D IS R-77/RVV-AE-PD!! (pratically already completed and supplied to Kant airbase):range 108,6NMI,inertial midcourse datalink and anti-radiation and electro-optical QWIP imaging seekers option,LARGELY head of AIM 120D like R77M with AIM 120A/B/C.This not counting MONSTERS like R-37(operative):MACH 6 and 165 NMI of range DOUBLE seeker,QWIP and radar with 21,2 NMI of range and Novator RVV-L / R-172
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
Ok start! 1)"R-27ER vs.The NEZ for an F/A-18F probably sit somewhere in the 30~40 nm range mark(vs a max speed :MACH1,8 ,thrust/weight: 0.92 and aerodynamically "stable" F/A 18 A/B? ahah,perhaps vs a F-15..but read after)....over half of the stated maximum range of the R-27 and well under half of the AIM-120Ds maximum range. This "comedian" for try to twist data so clear is forced...TO COMPARE A MISSILE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT--AIM 120D--(inventing also max range: 88,4 NMI,NOT 100!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
(a similar idiot "propaganda" exsist in a IDENTICAL FORM!,but reversed,in ex Warsaw pact nations!!)..the reality is who scientific "peaks"are more or less evenly distributed( or rather Russian,thanks above all,to a average quality of minds highter....some,believe me, are really super-human!!,have also a edge on this!!) 2) Operative result collected in war's theatres defined by CRUSHING multicomponential disparity,was simply highly deceptive.If you want,ask to me and i give you some example.
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
I understand exactly where you come from. There are 3 types of folks: the know-nothing, who like you said, believe what most people believe with no logical approach to it. Then come the know-on-the-surface (the ones Kopp target, since they are the ones that genuinely care about the issue, but not knowledgeable enough to see through his tricks ). Then come the know-enough, who, times and times again, proven Kopp to be a clown in his own game.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
Any video about the Russian Phazotron Zhuk AESA radar installed on the MiG-35?
Nosferatuonline 2 years ago
Irbis is both electronically, and mechanically scanned. This gives it the advantages of both scanning methods. The multiple target tracking capability, and simultaneous scan/track of the electronic scan, And the large field of view of the machanical scan. Best of both worlds. PESA radars are generally more powerful. The only advantages of AESA are graceful degradation, because of multiple transmitters. And lower power consumption which also usually means smaller radiated power.
RistoReipas88 2 years ago
Nope, the PESA russian radars installed in current generation fighters are capable of every role an f-22 fighter aircraft can handle besides flying with a superior low radar signature. They are a compliment of russian enginuity and pride, since a PESA radar can be more powerful and capable then an AESA apg-77 radar. then again its parallel to one another.
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
1. PESA cannot do multiple missions at the same time, as it uses the same frequency for all of its cells.
2. This is a mechanically scanned array, making it less responsive, and reliable
3. AESA can be just as powerful as the PESA, but have the ability to use multiple frequencies at the same time because it does not depend on one individual radiation source.
cr9527 3 years ago
the PESA russian systems have same characteristics, they are anti-jamming and have counter measure abilities. the AESA is sensitive which is why in a rough battle the PESA is more reliable.
sovietamerican2 2 years ago
this radar is slated for induction on Su-30mki mk3 to be produced in India ~2010 :)
However I am very very curious about what radar the new PAK FA plane will have.All will probably be revealed in 2009 Q1 when sukhoi unveils that baby.
krenim786 3 years ago
ths radar outclasses amsar aesa,rbe2 aesa,
apg 70,80,81,63(v2) and matches apg77
shudra14 3 years ago
Where are your sources? This is a Mechanical passive Radar and you claim it is equivalent to Solid State Active Radars?
cr9527 3 years ago
it doesnt say passive radars are always inferior to AESA does it?
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
not always, but in this case, the APG-77, with 250km detection range for 1m^2 targets, vs 400km for 3m^2 targets, both similar in ranges.
However, the APG-77, being purely electronically steered/aimed, has great advantages over this mechanically steered radar.
Also, being AESA, it is far more reliable than PESA, while capable of doing much more, such as being more difficult to jam, capable of doing multiple roles at the same time, etc.
cr9527 3 years ago
the russians have been combining PESA technology with AESA technology though, and both together seem to be going well for Russia. whats funny is that the russian AESA radar is less powerfull then the russian PESA radars. the BARS and the IRBIS are more then capable of performing these actions, especially jamming and resilience against jamming. The russians thanks to more funding made the radar more capable of multiple rolls.
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
Dimensions: Antenna Diameter 900 mm
Performance: Azimuth Coverage 120 ° with both mechanical and electronically steering, Coverage in Elevation 60 °, Max Detection Range 400 km (216 nm) target RCS = 3 sqm, Max Engagement Range 150 km (81 nm), Small Air Target Detection Range 90 km (49 nm) target RCS = 0.01 sqm
Other: Engaged Aerial Targets 8 with RVV-AE missiles or two with semi-active guidance missiles, Tracked Aerial Targets 30
ferrum1234 3 years ago
rcs is still classified..only assumptions or
making the product look weaker for the enemy not to know true capabilties.
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
but Irbis-E is the new phassed aray radar with 120 degree and 350 km spectrum !
YEAH THIS TRUE
THE APG-77 f-22 radar can detect target from 200 km
gusinov 3 years ago
Ahem... the 350km range is for targets with RCS of 3M^2
Where as the 193km range for APG-77 is for 1m^2
More or less the same on the range.
However, the APG-77 is an AESA radar, making it more difficult to be intercepted, jamed, and voltage failures. At the same time have greater ability to jam other radars.
cr9527 3 years ago
If your numbers are correct, 350km for a 3sqm target is not the same at all as 193km for a 1sqm target. Range is proportionnal to the 4th of the RCS.
If a radar can detect a 1sqm target at 193 km it can detect a 3sqm at 255 km or so.. still far from 350.
PS: the APG-77 are being upgraded with the same e/r modules as the APG-81. The designation is APG-77V(1). It should have a better range.
Battery9876 3 years ago
I got it from the website, with no manipulations.
cr9527 3 years ago
If you want to see REAL graphic projection of APG-77 and IRBIS-E radars, go to w w w . ausairpower . net ,press on Flanker ,search down from -Flanker and related articles- F/A-18E/F Super Hornet vs. Sukhoi Flanker (January/February 2007).On the middle of article you find APG-77 on the bottom IRBIS-E. The only true advantage of AESA radars vs a PESA radar with similar power aperture is LPILow Probability of Intercept(the PROBLEM is who new ELS-Emitter locating Systems-can track it easly!!!)
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
another victim of the Carlo Kopp clowns, I see.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
stealthyf23 from your statement i presume you know,from a delved analysis of its works,who Carlo Kopp is OR a ignorant of sector OR in bad faith! Yes..yes it must...MUST BE a CLOWN (a clown SENIOR member of the AMERICAN Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics,ex director and member of the Institution of Electrical and Electronic Engineers,and of the Association of Old Crows...and among the first THREE NAMES on the "field"of the WOLE PLANET!).It must be a clown because it has maked evident,
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
yeb, I know who Carlo Kopp is. A man who is still angry that his company's proposals getting turned down (no job), and now plotting to prey on the uninformed to hopefully stir up something of little significance.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
with a cold,scientific approach,two thing who anyone with a minimum of knowledge of the matter Know perfectly: 1) the presumed technological superiority of USA on RUSSIA is simply a "myth"spreaded by media--note:i am borne and live in a NATO country! and at the beginning,when i started to read scientific books on the subjects,i was truly deluded and saddened discovering who ours famous scientific and technological primacy,of wich at the time i was so proud,was simply a reassuring FABLE
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
Also, can you simplify your english a little bit. It's really hard for me to figure out what you mean.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
stealthyf23 i cite Kopp for one only reason: it is a SCIENTIFIC AUTHORITY of the sector and is accessible,with its site,to anyone(unlike specialized books),but my font is NOT w w w . ausairpower . net, but the UNIVERSAL "staple"scientific book on which ALL serious study found itself. I have cited graphic projection of APG-77 and IRBIS-E radars on ausairpower (remind who Kopp is a GREAT, STRENUOUS F-22 supporter...,but intellectually honest); from your intervention i have realized
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
that I agree. Kopp has a wealth of technical data. However, his so called "analysis" is extremely biased (he has the tendency of leaving out inconvient facts, while inserting irrelevant claims). I don't know if it's money that corrupted him or it's just anger issue.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
you think this graphics are a creation of Carlo Kopp. If you are "know- enough".... you remember perfectly where them come from and realize marginal error for this projection is about 0,0273!! Rely on scientific data,not in its interpretation(Kopp comprised),But don't trust NEVER the words of makers...money can corrupt anyone!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
yes, the data itself is correct. However, if you take into consideration of other factors, the final result will be different. And this is one of the game Kopp plays. He only present data that helps his argument while leaving out the rest. The same can be said about his analysis of the AESA and IRBIS-E.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
if you just gonna look at the range, while leaving out factor such as how each type of radar's approach to get this range, and how such power input effect the resolution of the radar, etc. than I don't think the judgment made is correct.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
"if you just gonna look at the range, while leaving out factor such as how each type of radar's approach to get this range, and how such power input effect the resolution of the radar".I quote you 100%!This is ABSOLUTELY correct.Rather i can add who APG-77 is WITHOUT any doubt technologically superior than IRBIS-E(1500 element,higher antenna receiver/transmitter bandwidth,upper signal/data processing performance,quicker beamsteering agility and above all high electron mobility transistor-HEMT-)
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
In fact,like pointed out by Kopp same russian developers don't have stated the IRBIS-E superiority on APG-77 despite it out-range F-22 Radar of about 80 NMI [148 Km] (thanks to tangible greater power aperture).The reason is other advantages of a AESA radar(like LPI- Low Probability of Intercept)greatly outweigh the lack in range. The problem is another: NEZ -No Escape Zone- of a last generation BVR-Beyond Visual Range-missile(AIM 120D)against a MACH 2,2 speed capable opponent is about 1/3 of
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
maximum range(about 54 km)and in THIS range the PK-Probability to Kill- vs a full protected target is not superior to 15-17%(and also less vs a "supermanoeuvrable"opponent like SU-35BM !).Now this is NOT a problem if you think your probable enemy is Iraq,Serbia, Iran etc.. because the RESOURCES difference allow you to attack a single opponent's aircraft with 4-5 F-22 back upped by AWACS and stand-off jammers from 3 or 4 directions at the same time outside the degraded radar's envelop of enemy,
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
without risking pratically nothing(like in last 2 wars)...the problem(A GREAT ONE) is if your nation is situated near two ascending power(like China and India) who each year increase expopnentially its military expenditures,but can buy or produce very high performance aircraft at INCREDIBLE LOW COST(1 F-22=4,2 SU-35BM) ! You can easily realize who if you can expend same money of USA in the example the same 5 F-22 and escort must to fight vs 21 SU-35 and 3 or 4 A-50!! (A SUICIDE).For Australia
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
luck this simmetry of employed resources between USA and China or India is still far from materialization(35-40 years)and this is the only TRUE motivation so far Carlo Kopp has fighted so harshly against F-35( largely inferior!)in favour of F-22,because NUMBERS OF ACTUAL OPPONENT'S AIRCRAFT AND ASSETS AT HANDS,it is BY FAR the most cost-efficient. This DON'T CANCEL who"symmetrical" engagements between COMPARABLE opponents,see above 68% of involved aircarfts merge in Within Visual Range fight !!!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
Kopp fought so harshly because f-35 (and super hornet) were in favor over his company's proposal to uprade existing f-111 into some sort of fantasy fighter with additional buy of f-22. So of course, he has a grudge against it that his company lost the deal. His analysis on f-35 and the rhino (super hornet) are extremely misleading and sometimes flat out lies. I'll send u several sources that counter his arguments, and not so surprisingly, also points out his method of dishonesty.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
I wait your sources ,naturally they MUST be equally and SCIENTIFICALLY argued with OPPOSITE data! Because those gived by Dr.Carlo Kopp(but also Dr. :Alan Moore-Piotr Samczynski-Keith Ward-Björn Larsson ....ALL among WESTERN first 6 or 7 name at world!) don't leave any space to interpretations! I wait.....ah, and please don't trust in "classified"data..in this field all you need is absolutely unclassified data of........LAWS OF PHYSICS!!!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
not exactly opposite data. Like I say before, Kopp doesn't necessarily present false data, rather he only present a SELECTIVE numbers of data that will support his argument. By this method, his argument would sound very logical and well supported. I'll present my case through private messaging. youtube comments don't work for me.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
since it's only a source, I figure I can post it here so others might want to take a look at it too:
h t t p : / / ozzyblizzard . blogspot . com / 2008 / 12 / air-power-australia-flanker-analysis. h t m l
stealthyf23 2 years ago
Man please tell me this is NOT a your FONTS.....this "comment" is one of the greater IDIOCY ever uttered by a man on the subject!!! If you envoy this JOKE to Carlo Kopp,it enlarge to poster size and hang it in its office! to prove the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE or BAD faith or,worst,BOTH of its detractors!! MAN ,tell me you not have readed it...it is simply LAUGHABLE! It is like a child who try to undermine with argomentation taked from catoons the scientific argumentations of a Nobel physicist!!
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
and what part of it that doesn't make sense, may I ask? or what part of it isn't logically spoken? Please, refrain from typical bashing without backed up logical argument and evidence.
stealthyf23 2 years ago
Pat Hewitt declaration of 4 months ago!!!)with a missile operative from 21 YEARS (R-27 ER 1998: Jane's defence).The problem is who R-77/ M/ PD(like probably EVEN it know!)is,by a large edge,superior to AIM 120A/B/C in kinematics performances AND in "agility"(max G,and RTFD)-above all for "lattice work fins" at the rear,who,contrary to conventional deltas of AIM 120,reduce DRASTICALLY loss of energy when chasing a maneuvering target(nobody, at now,was capable of reproduce and engineerize a
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
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Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
w w w . cs . wustl . edu / ~ jain / cse567 - 08 / ftp / combat / index . html(cancel the spaces)--note: if in equations nr 14-16 and 20-27 and 30-34 you implement data for R-77 and AIM 120D(from at example:Robert E. Ball, "The Fundamentals Of Aircraft Combat, Survivability Analysis And Design", 2nd Ed 2003) and numbers of aircraft and missile carryed (4 for F-35 8 F-22 12 SU 35BM)speed and distance,you can have a model of attrition in a typical engagement chosed by you(also if quite rough
Magodelvuoto 2 years ago
new model of snow-leopard AESA radar
MultipleEFP 3 years ago
It is not AESA is is phased array dume shit.
N1cholas240 3 years ago
your mumy pussy is phassed aray !
but Irbis-E is the new AESA radar with 120 degree and 400 km spectrum !
FUCK YOUR OWN ANUS WITH YOUR REDNECK FAT MIDDLE FINGER !
:-)
MultipleEFP 3 years ago 2
your pussy is phassed aray !
but Irbis-E is the new phassed aray radar with 120 degree and 350 km spectrum !
FUCK YOUR OWN ANUS WITH YOUR comunise FAT MIDDLE FINGER !
:-)
N1cholas240 3 years ago
What is the range of this radar.
N1cholas240 3 years ago
400 km
MultipleEFP 3 years ago
No it is 350km.
N1cholas240 3 years ago
It is 400km against 3m2 RCS target.
obender71 3 years ago
Offcourse it is !
MultipleEFP 3 years ago
It is 350km against 3m2 RCS target.
N1cholas240 3 years ago
It is 330 against 1m2 - Will you going to sleep tonight?
obender71 3 years ago
What is the range against 3m2.
N1cholas240 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
your redneck mama is with 350 hillbilly dicks in her anus !
MultipleEFP 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
your poor russian dada is with 360 hillbilly dicks in her anus !
N1cholas240 3 years ago
this radar is capable of tracking down western fighters.usa and europes priced possession aircrafts.
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
Finds out the purposes with an effective reflecting surface 3 m2 on distance of 400 km. And with an effective reflecting surface 0.01 м2 on distance of 90 km
ete0 3 years ago 7
yes it will be on new su-35. It surpasses a bars approximately in 2 times.
ete0 3 years ago
this radar will be installed on su 30mki
shudra14 4 years ago
Nope. -MKI has Bars radar.
74flateric 4 years ago 2
@74flateric
bro - shudra is right. this will be installed on the mki later on. currently we use the NP- 011 M Bars like you said but that is just hybrid esa. Since then Russia has developed Irbis - E, which is very powerful, operating in the 20KW range. This will also equip the Mig - 35 which was contending for the MMRCA contract but later pulled out because russia could not promise delivery of the OVT Migs with Irbis radars before 2014 or 15. Hope this helps.
kkppss1515 11 months ago
It's Apple Macintosh's Snow Leopard CD!
WindSplitter1 3 months ago
If I'm correct I think it's going in the Su 35. The Su 35 will be the most advanced of the Su class. They are due to get more powerful engines as well.
skywalker1901 4 years ago
sukhois are the best!!!
su27forserbia 4 years ago 2
nobody can tell for sure about any jet since its classified.
sovietamerican2 3 years ago
20 kilowatt peak power. insane =)
estrume69 4 years ago
This is one beast of a RADAR. 0.01m^2 at 90km :O :O Think its the most powerful on earth today by a very big margin.
And I thought the AN/APG-77 had impressive specs.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
It's a very powerful radar but the AN/APG-77 specs are most likely not correct. Over 50% of the F-22 capbabilities are classified so are its avionics. Any you read on public sites are not going to be correct.
skywalker1901 4 years ago 3
That is indeed true. But there is no official spec other than the ATF requirement of 125nm for 1m^2 target in LPI mode. Those requirements were met (actual figures classified). So I was going by the baseline requirement.
HyperLanka 4 years ago
'Craptor' is glued to F-22A since it was officialy named, so not feets to Su-35 anyway.
74flateric 4 years ago
@74flateric SUck-35.
N1cholas240 6 months ago
I just use to read more reliable sources than 'US Pilot at MAKS'
Lockheed Martin Delivers 100th F-22 Raptor to The U.S. MARIETTA, Ga., Aug. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin formally delivered the 100th F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter to the U.S. Air Force in ceremonies here today. The milestone aircraft (Air Force serial number 05-0100) will be assigned to the 90th Fighter Squadron at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska. "
Congress just approved finances for 60 more Raptors.
74flateric 4 years ago
craptor
ComradeLynx 4 years ago
This is stupid argument. Nice video though
Ziggyplayedaxe 4 years ago
OK, with 100 Raptors at service and 60 to come, we will need first to built at least close numbers of this super-puper bird for own AF, not just for export...
74flateric 4 years ago
Who said you this bull shit about 100 raptors in USAF? I asked US pilot on MAKS he said that raptor is not on duty. And thay onli test it and learn how fly on it.
aktovegin 4 years ago
To be fair, the Raptor has an excellent AESA radar as well. 450km detection range. But this Su-35 is sexy as well.
chloroxjello 4 years ago
F-22 will no where to hide!
sapfir23 4 years ago 3
Raptor & AAM by!
idcs5000 4 years ago
Powerful radar. Detects 3m2 RCS at 400km.
nikonov94 4 years ago