Don't mean to be repetitive, but he's a genius. He just a fantasitc writer and storyteller allthe way around. There is no way to get the complexity of what he writes and the pictures that accompany them into any other form of media. He works with fantastic artists and the make magic. Love his work.
Could have done without the >2 minute video clips though...
Depends on your definition of "art". To my thinking, art is simply the end product of human beings attempt to translate intellectual models into a tangible form. One of the few differences between man and animal, is man's ability to fabricate models of reality that do not exist.
A video game is perhaps the most complete model of an intellectual construct possible, including time/space as well as physics and artificial intelligence. I don't know if this means that they are "better" than comics.
@Jcolinsol And some would point out that all these comic books evolved from Art. Batman and Superman etc all have classical muscled torsos cause that subconsciously has been the ideal form since they dug up the classical antique sculpture the Laocoon, and Michelangelo and co saw it and thought "That kicks ass." Brunelleschi had to think up linear perspective, and where would comics be without it?! Comic books are more "cultured" than people think.
Well, I agree with Moore, that comics are an excellent medium because they are pulpy, cheap, and populist. I am so much a heathen that I don't consider fine art to be art at all, because it cannot be mass-reproduced for everyone.
@Jcolinsol Alan Moore mentions William Blake as an influence...and Blake was influenced by Raphael and Michelangelo's later styles. I'm just saying that there is an interconnected visual history, you're idea of art , and "fine art" are the same thing. Art is driven by money and the need for communication. Art is made for people who want it, be it the public or the elites. But you can't define art using our time's definitions. Pre-Raphaelites were once called cheap and pulpy too!
@Jcolinsol P.s. Mass production? Hm, to that I say what about Holbein's representation of Henry VIII? The image was copied and printed in etchings, spread across an entire nation. If you think of the Tudors, of Henry VII, that "big fat guy with a ginger beard", you're influenced by Holbein's depiction of the man. That image influenced an entire era's idea of what England stood for, of what their king looked like. Same effect as a comic can have on its viewers.
@Jcolinsol P.s.s. Just thought of another example of mass production in fine art. Hogarthe turned his painting series, the Harlot's Progress, into prints, selling so well that soon illegal copies were being created and Hogarthe had to go to the government to stop people selling fake copies of his prints. Sorry, I study history of art, I could argue about this all day. But frankly one of the reasons I like comic books is I think they show better artistic skill than Damien Hirst and Tracey Emin.
Video games will never replace comics/2d art, there will always be people who like both, and more importantly, people who choose to use their imagination instead of sit like a slug and go into virtual reality mode with someone elses (e.g oblivion & fallout 3 for 12 hrs a day!)
See, I think both holds unique values, and that neither is "better" than the other, any more than one comic can be objectively better than another.
You speak of role playing games as if playing them leaves no room for imagination, where the irony is that pretty much the entire point of Oblivion and Fallout 3 is that you can set out and decide who your character is, regardless of where the quests take you.
There's a very small amount of room for you to play with as far as "who" your character will be. There's probably only 30 or 40 or so Viable possibilities. Creating your own art, whether it be, comics, music, or a virtual world from scratch. has infinite possibilities.
Still reading a comic is, if anything, more limited then virtual games.
All in all I sense some bitterness from the comic advocates...
Videogames just tend to have horrible plots. I personally think that they have none or horrendous writers. Even MGS is badly written and many consider that the best story in a game.
Honestly, the best game stories to me are Silent Hill 2 and Killer7. Killer7 clearly tries to make it an art form, and succeeds...although they actually dampen the gameplay elements in way of artistic expression.
You know, if I ever write a book or something, I'm going to have to include some kind of prophetic figure who lives in Northampton and who dresses in a big coat and a magnificent hat in it.
Video games may be a more widely consumed medium than comics, but that in no way makes them the "greatest art form going".
On the whole there are very few games that could honestly be considered art, but then games as a medium are still very much in their infancy and as it matures I'm sure their artistic merit will blossom as well. But until that happens I'll have to side with Wossy on this one.
Be considered art by who/m (sp)? With that whole can of worms being so subjective (?), I'd opine that Wossy actually was including the mediums popularity (& newness & dynamism) & thus that Video Games are more that now. Just to make it clear, I 'NO U' that video games are art.
Megadrive games are a perfect example to bolster your point. They've never lost their gameplay and characteristics, and the graphics werent even bad, just less sophisticated in some ways.
Alan Moore is such a fantastic writer that it seems he has actually constructed a mythos for himself, including a setting, an instantly recognisable character design, and a legendarily quirky personality. Bravo.
Don't mean to be repetitive, but he's a genius. He just a fantasitc writer and storyteller allthe way around. There is no way to get the complexity of what he writes and the pictures that accompany them into any other form of media. He works with fantastic artists and the make magic. Love his work.
Could have done without the >2 minute video clips though...
sb92ify 8 months ago
Alan reminded me of Beyonce at 1.36
BenNCM 1 year ago
@BenNCM Really? He reminds me of Rasputin. lol
MagickalFire 1 year ago
Wow, a proper intellectual discussion on YouTube.
Alan Moore really is a magician isn't he?
Kitsua 2 years ago
Depends on your definition of "art". To my thinking, art is simply the end product of human beings attempt to translate intellectual models into a tangible form. One of the few differences between man and animal, is man's ability to fabricate models of reality that do not exist.
A video game is perhaps the most complete model of an intellectual construct possible, including time/space as well as physics and artificial intelligence. I don't know if this means that they are "better" than comics.
Jcolinsol 2 years ago
@Jcolinsol And some would point out that all these comic books evolved from Art. Batman and Superman etc all have classical muscled torsos cause that subconsciously has been the ideal form since they dug up the classical antique sculpture the Laocoon, and Michelangelo and co saw it and thought "That kicks ass." Brunelleschi had to think up linear perspective, and where would comics be without it?! Comic books are more "cultured" than people think.
judy3437 11 months ago
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Well, I agree with Moore, that comics are an excellent medium because they are pulpy, cheap, and populist. I am so much a heathen that I don't consider fine art to be art at all, because it cannot be mass-reproduced for everyone.
Jcolinsol 11 months ago
@Jcolinsol Alan Moore mentions William Blake as an influence...and Blake was influenced by Raphael and Michelangelo's later styles. I'm just saying that there is an interconnected visual history, you're idea of art , and "fine art" are the same thing. Art is driven by money and the need for communication. Art is made for people who want it, be it the public or the elites. But you can't define art using our time's definitions. Pre-Raphaelites were once called cheap and pulpy too!
judy3437 11 months ago
@Jcolinsol P.s. Mass production? Hm, to that I say what about Holbein's representation of Henry VIII? The image was copied and printed in etchings, spread across an entire nation. If you think of the Tudors, of Henry VII, that "big fat guy with a ginger beard", you're influenced by Holbein's depiction of the man. That image influenced an entire era's idea of what England stood for, of what their king looked like. Same effect as a comic can have on its viewers.
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@Jcolinsol P.s.s. Just thought of another example of mass production in fine art. Hogarthe turned his painting series, the Harlot's Progress, into prints, selling so well that soon illegal copies were being created and Hogarthe had to go to the government to stop people selling fake copies of his prints. Sorry, I study history of art, I could argue about this all day. But frankly one of the reasons I like comic books is I think they show better artistic skill than Damien Hirst and Tracey Emin.
judy3437 11 months ago
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judy3437 11 months ago
Video games will never replace comics/2d art, there will always be people who like both, and more importantly, people who choose to use their imagination instead of sit like a slug and go into virtual reality mode with someone elses (e.g oblivion & fallout 3 for 12 hrs a day!)
Olster81 2 years ago
See, I think both holds unique values, and that neither is "better" than the other, any more than one comic can be objectively better than another.
You speak of role playing games as if playing them leaves no room for imagination, where the irony is that pretty much the entire point of Oblivion and Fallout 3 is that you can set out and decide who your character is, regardless of where the quests take you.
trallala 2 years ago
There's a very small amount of room for you to play with as far as "who" your character will be. There's probably only 30 or 40 or so Viable possibilities. Creating your own art, whether it be, comics, music, or a virtual world from scratch. has infinite possibilities.
Still reading a comic is, if anything, more limited then virtual games.
All in all I sense some bitterness from the comic advocates...
newexperiment 2 years ago
Well, when you CREATE a comic it's a different story! When you create a game you have unlimited options as well.
I just think both can work well on their own merits and ocmparing the two to find out which is "better" is ultimately pointless.
trallala 2 years ago
Videogames just tend to have horrible plots. I personally think that they have none or horrendous writers. Even MGS is badly written and many consider that the best story in a game.
Honestly, the best game stories to me are Silent Hill 2 and Killer7. Killer7 clearly tries to make it an art form, and succeeds...although they actually dampen the gameplay elements in way of artistic expression.
TeamFlashGrenade 2 years ago
You know, if I ever write a book or something, I'm going to have to include some kind of prophetic figure who lives in Northampton and who dresses in a big coat and a magnificent hat in it.
rogaldorn3 2 years ago 2
Wossie showing his age here, video games have annexed comics books place.
WholeDarnShow 3 years ago
Video games may be a more widely consumed medium than comics, but that in no way makes them the "greatest art form going".
On the whole there are very few games that could honestly be considered art, but then games as a medium are still very much in their infancy and as it matures I'm sure their artistic merit will blossom as well. But until that happens I'll have to side with Wossy on this one.
crowandconkers 3 years ago
Be considered art by who/m (sp)? With that whole can of worms being so subjective (?), I'd opine that Wossy actually was including the mediums popularity (& newness & dynamism) & thus that Video Games are more that now. Just to make it clear, I 'NO U' that video games are art.
WholeDarnShow 3 years ago
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "I 'NO U' that video games are art", it might just me being a bit thick so could you explain it to me?
crowandconkers 3 years ago
'No U' is a sort of Internet in joke which I wrote in clunkily, I meant I disagree with what you said, & implied that it's not worth arguing about.
WholeDarnShow 3 years ago
Sorry/Double post, to be more clear I meant that I thought that bit is not worth arguing about.
WholeDarnShow 2 years ago
games seem to be only getting worse as the business grows, their still only toys
easyHoax 2 years ago
Megadrive games are a perfect example to bolster your point. They've never lost their gameplay and characteristics, and the graphics werent even bad, just less sophisticated in some ways.
Olster81 2 years ago
Alan Moore is such a fantastic writer that it seems he has actually constructed a mythos for himself, including a setting, an instantly recognisable character design, and a legendarily quirky personality. Bravo.
Hostile 4 years ago 14
I love this man, he is eccentric and interesting and revolutionising comics and the way we think.
Reading his comics are more like reading a novel, just with pictures.
0BatGirl0 4 years ago 5
Can someone please tell me what Alan says between Blake and the Decadents? thanks!
arcadiaalbion 4 years ago
Im pretty sure he said "fuseli" (full name henry fuseli)
Agentrenfield 4 years ago
thanks - much appreciated!
arcadiaalbion 4 years ago
If Northampton is the main influence on his writing, I'm moving there, LOL.
23JM23 4 years ago
You really don't want to do that - as a great man once said, "I spent a long weekend in Northampton one afternoon."
RMGLUCK 4 years ago 3
This was awesome! Thanks for posting this!
He reminds me of a modern Diogenes, in a way.
LadySofia 4 years ago
Minus the barrel, unless I've missed something about Alan Moore.
verbaluk1 3 years ago
I love you Alan Moore.
ambersumiko 4 years ago 2
Fantastic. Thanks for posting.
zakalwe30 4 years ago
comics are the purest form of art now. Music, film and even art has been bastardised.
leezus83 5 years ago
Until Didio got involved
0BatGirl0 4 years ago
Am a big fan of Alan Moore's work from the Saga of the Swamp Thing on. Thanks for posting!
makoma 5 years ago
Thanks a ton for posting all of these.
RudyDangerous 5 years ago
that was real good. just been reading "alan moore spells it out" a published interview with the hairy one by bill baker. much revelation!
spurtfather 5 years ago
First time I heard jonathon ross talk (some) sense.
xxSMOKIExx 5 years ago
Thanks for posting. Much appreciated.
gary7272 5 years ago
Yet again, thanks a lot!
pivic 5 years ago
thanks for this i missed it on the beeb website and was delighted to find it here much respect.
rayzorblue 6 years ago
No Probs :)
HashToker 6 years ago
Thanks so much for posting this :)
whirringblender 6 years ago