@kag6 I think Dion is French though. Or were you talking about Ignatieff? If you were well he comes from Canada but the name I think is Italian. I can be your Chief (Native) but I can't think of any Fuhrer material yet.
I was brought here from NHL All-Star videos. I thought this would be about Dion Phaneuf, but I was pleasantly surprised, as I'd forgotten how much I'd hated Stephane Dion.
Why must people argue like children on youtube? OHHH you know more sophisticated words to use and say things that seem to make sense... RAWR go do something else rather than getting mad at each other on youtube.
Ignatieff, he is so pathetic, the word isn't strong enough. I was happy when I saw him lose, what a poor character. He repeated again and again: Shutdown, shutdown, shutdown... Well I would gladly shot him down with any gun. Just look at his face, I cannot see any good, anything, only negative frequency after negative attack. Stephen Harper shutdown everything? He certainly shut the fuck up you down, looser. Stéphane Dion did a better job compare to him and it was after the scandal, looser!
The irony of this is that this add shows Ignatieff in a good light, and then they turn around and spend two years murdering him in the media, spending millions of dollars doing it - then say elections waste money.
Conservative's are hippocritical to the max - although I'll give props to Harper for being an excellent politician, hes managed to say he fixed the economy, when in truth the opposition dragged him kicking and screaming towards every good things hes done. The majority will be dark.
You know how I knew Dion would take a big fall? Because the Sun media always shined Dion in a neutral/bad light, and Harper in a neutral/good light. People don't realize how much the media shapes our opinions. And the scary part is, the majority never question the information they're given. They just accept it like the word of god.
You know how I knew Ignatieff would become the new liberal leader? Because the Sun media always shined him in a good light until he took over the leader position.
@witness10643 - As for Sun Media, I haven't read much of them since the election started (They slant everything), but 6 months ago there was a Harper attack article almost daily. It's actually why I stopped reading them, I grew tired of their bias. People don't question information; I agree. Why don't you question attack ads? (I like how you refer to God, by the way :) )
I think the most important issue is the tax cuts - why now, and not later? 18% vs. 15% isn't a huge deal...
@mikefastener - Although I like that we have common ground with the Sun, I still often rely on the CBC. Quite frankly, I see very little bias. Recently, there was a completely false critique of their Vote Compass that I laughed at (Simply because I tried various combination and getting Conservative was easy).
Lastly, I address your point of Liberals not having to think - now that's just derogatory. The reason I like Liberals is because they have a (low but) better grasp of common sense then..
@mikefastener - Abortion? Naw (Read Judith Thomsons argument on it if you disagree with me). Gay marriage? Naw (No logical reason; at least they didn't stress it though). Smoke marijuana? Definitely not - harsher penalties, more prisons, more police, less rights for you, and lets not tax it and make money. More federal-provincial subsidies for health care? Naw, they're good. Prostitution? Naw, let STDs spread by not setting rules and taxing it. Seniors? Fuck em. Education? University students
@mikefastener - can afford it themselves. Corporations? Better than people and sex AND sliced bread. Military? Were not a peacekeeping nation or anything, and well respected for it, with multiple contracted NATO allies - let's get better. (I agree we should be good on ground, but the air debate is sofa kingdom. We don't need them anytime soon; many other parties fail to see this though.) Environment? Well, they try, but not enough. (I'm all for the Oil Sands though).
@witness10643 - compared to other countries. We're still very competitive, especially since we tend to offer resources and not produce items.
The Conservatives are hypocritical when they say 'Well reduce everyones taxes after we pay off our debt, but well let corporations go now'. Meanwhile, MNCs of all sorts pay far less compared to the nearly 50% Canada pays on input/output of wealth. We're taxed on income and on purchase - few other countries do that to the same extent we do.
@mikefastener - the Conservatives. Now truly, the Liberals do many things that piss me off. But in politics, it seems the more sense you make in reasoning and in morality and social policy, the less you make in economics. I admit this. I'm a fiscal Conservative and a Social Liberal, and refer to myself as a Left-Libertarian.
This is why I hate Conservatives guts: They want to tell me what I can and can't do personally more than any other party.
@mikefastener - It's simply the moral logic in it all. They want to put military and corporations over people, well restricting what I can and can't personally do - and a lot of it makes no sense.
They come off stronger than any other party in Social Restrictions, and that's simply not right.
@Rapoirier I love the way that the Conservatives say, "live your life without restrictions". Yet the NDP and lie-berals demand we pay taxes to fund their mandated social agenda.
I'll vote for freedom everytime. I'll vote Conservative.
@mikefastener - afford them, considering countries such as Norway pay less in overall taxes then us and have magnificent social programs. The thing about taxes, as well, is if everybody pays them, there's not a huge imbalance and lack of funds that you think exists. In fact, PPP tends to increase.
Conservatives care more about military we don't need than the people within our borders. It's disgusting. At the same time, they mandate what you can and can't do.
@mikefastener - You seem to neglect the fact that I don't vote for the Liberal party; yet you continuously attack them for past discrepancies. This last few years, the Conservatives have had many. They seem to try to think they are a majority party and represent most of Canada, which clearly, is false. They postpone democracy to avoid getting kicked out, and actually had a vote of non-confidence. That's a huge deal.
Yes, they're good with the economy. But the NDP have made Mantioba
@mikefastener - very strong. In a federal situation, I think they'd do great. The Greens? Who knows; they haven't had a shot yet.
And the thing about Left-Wing parties is they have moral values. And of course, the Conservatives have this sense of 'I don't have to help anybody'. They think doing nothing is neutral. It's not; Evil isn't a negative of Good, it is simply the absence of Good.
I want my dollar to care for children, the sick, the elderly, the homeless - not fund war.
@Rapoirier The left-wingers only care about themselves. Ask them to eliminate the homeless problem and they will never do it (because it will eliminate their jobs).
As Jack Laydown about his stay in publicly subsidized housing.
@mikefastener - The fact is the (C)s aren't nearly as accountable as you think they are. Yes, the Liberals aren't perfect either, but at least they have a grasp of logic and common sense.
The Conservatives have been eroding transparency and freedom from day 1:
since when is it "easy to make priorities" and even then since when is it easy to actually fulfill those priorities. Stephan Harper has neither yet he's still in office... I'd take the bloc as leaders at this point.
I thought Ignatieff was above this kind of bull. I was thinking of voting Liberal in the next election, if Ignatieff ever grows a pair and decides t kick his buddy Stephen out of office, but after seeing this - I will vote NDP. At least Jack Layton doesn't have to resort to attack ads. All he does is point out what ass holes the other two leaders (and parties) are.
@ujean56 Yeah with Canadian politics, it's all about picking the lesser of evils. We just don't have someone positive and have a positive vision for Canada's progress like Obama is for the US. That's the kind of politics I'd support. This type of BS politics is...meh....
@ujean56 If only Jack would stop jerking a woman's arm down (so he could mug for the camera) or if he and Olivia would have voluntarily got out of publicly subsidizided housing (while people were dying of the streets of Toronto) I'd agreed. I met Ed Broadbent, I voted for Ed Broadbent and this Layton guy is no Ed Broadbent.
Better to go Conservative under the steady hand of Mr. Harper!
@mikefastener I would agree except that Mr. Harper's hands are not all that steady. It seems he's always jerking off while fantasizing about being a statesman and an American one at that.
@ujean56 With Mr. Harper's steering of the Canadian economy, he is welcome to "jerk off" in his spare time. (Rather than Jack Layton, simply being a jerk off!)
Glad for the opportunity to clarify things for you.
@mikefastener Hi Mike! Good to hear from you yet again. I cannot tell you if the Laytons still, or ever have lived, in subsidized housing but I can tell you that both Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff currently live in subsidized housing and they even have cute little names for the houses. You remember the one that Brian and Mila renovated with taxes and then took all the stuff with them when they were voted out? BTW did you ever finish your high school diploma? Just wondering...
The Cdn public has decided that the PM and Leader of Opposition have publicly subsidized homes--well known by all. The Leader of the NDP--not deemed important enough to have one (obviously). Google: Jack Layton Publicly Subsidized People Dying on Streets of Toronto for Jack's little indiscretion!
Brian and Mila--I didn't know they are running in the next election.
BTW did you finish grade school? Note: A wet cloth makes wiping egg off your face easier.
@mikefastener Hi again Mikey! And your point is? Sometimes it helps if you actually have something to say instead of recycling the same nonsense each time you submit a post. When was the vote taken for free housing for the PM and his "loyal" opposition? I must have missed that one. Was it before Brian was elected? I'll take your answer to my question about high school as a "no". You'll need to take your own advice on what works well for eggs on faces.
@mikefastener OK Mike - I have searched google for Jack Layton. But no info about Jack and Olivia in subsidized housing while people were dying in the streets of Toronto - I guess they took that site down. I did find Jack and Olivia's secret sex tape and something about Jack belonging to the Illuminati and something about Marxists wanting to raise your taxes but you really shouldn't believe everything you read on the web - or the TV for that matter. Cheers!
@ujean56 jeanie--glad you admit they must have taken that site down (rather than denying Jack would never have done such a thing--says a lot about your believe in Jack's ethics doesn't it? -- don't worry, you are with the majority of Cdns)
@mikefastener Dear sadly deluded Mikie. The only thing you educated me about was how unbelievably out of touch you right-wing religious nuts really are.
I am sorry Liberals but alot of people I know will not vote liberal this year or any year with Ignatieff as leader. Keeping Stephane Dion was a better choice, really, this guy sounds desperate especially after forcefully ousting Dion. You need a new leader that looks prime ministrial, not a hypocrite, just look back at 2006, Iggy he kept flip floppingon issues everyone remembers that. Next election, Conservative Majority, Liberals tied with NDP.
@godly04 "why do they feel so threathened...." actually, the answer is very easy (although, I warn you, you won't like it) with the very liberal bias media, this is the only way the Conservative Party can get a message out. I'd complain about the disgusting media if I were you!
I lost any respect I may have had for the Liberal party after watching this, and I truly believe this is was a crucial factor in the outcome of the 2008 election. Canadians didn't want a Prime Minister who sounded whiny and undecisive, they wanted a leader. Stephen Harper forever.
With all due respect I'm a Liberal and all 3candidates are quite weak.
Ignatieff: He says "we" didn't get it done. Funny coming from him since he hasn't been in the country for 34 an only wrote books never to help ordinary Canadians in public office.
Dion: English is his own worst enemy, this was proven over 2 years.
Ken Dryden: Come one? Seriously, hocket player turn Prime Minister? Sounds like a CBC made for T.V. movie.
They are old rich guys. Now Obama, there is a bulletproof leader!
Obama isn't bullet proof at all. You will learn this he declares Canadian land internation as well as Canadian waters international. Although since he think all water is international, which the Law of the Sea (200 miles from the coast is that nations waters, North West Passage Definitely not 400 miles apart) maybe he seeks to take over Canadian land with water, considering how strong his plan to reduce CO2 is. Slightly better fuel efficiency, even though most CO2 comes from coal power plants.
Oh, also, a bulletproof modern leader would probably keep his promises, like upholding NAFTA. Instead, Obama is putting his country ahead of the world, and most importantly Canada, by insisting upon protectionism. Because of him Canadian pipe was ripped out of the ground in California because it wasn't American. His only good quality is being all let's get along, which will only serve to reduce completely justified hatred against the United States. I can see him being a dictator in bad times.
I actually feel bad for the man, since he does belive he was doing good for our country, but the truth of the matter is that his part knew what was coming and needed a whiping boy to take the fall, guess who was it. That is my opinion, nothing more nothing less, but after watching and listening, from the time he became the leader, till his fall from grace, it is pretty clear what was going on, it is Utter BS what they did to this man.
@mystlynn ...and could you imagine what they would do to all of us Canadians with Iggy at the helm and Bob Rae in a cabinet position, like finance? We would be screwed. I know Harper is not that popular, but he is the lessor of two evils. And as far as I have seen, the PC's have not robbed us yet, and are strengthening up the Armed Forces with badly needed equipment and are getting tough on crime. Plus, HE LOWERED THE GST by 2%!!!! What more do you want? I'll vote Harper next election.
@TheUKCanadian - Harper cut 6 billion in corporate taxes, bought a 40 billion stimulus that economists agree was not needed and did nothing, and has sunk us even lower still to the 140 billion dollar mark... the worst any Canadian governments ever done.
Harper has no sense of morality or logic (As seen by being against things such as gay marriage, marijuanna use, and prostitution - sorry if my libertarian senses make me point this out) and no sense of economics.
@Rapoirier "Harper cut 6 billion in corporate taxes" Hence our economy is still strong, no housing collapse and no massive job losses.
"bought a 40 billion stimulus that economists agree was not needed and did nothing" Liberal Economists? At least the stimulus went back into the economy and back into the hands of companies and into workers pockets not on advertising campaigns and wind farms.
"As seen by being against things such as gay marriage, marijuanna use, and prostitution" - No reply.
-Harper is the only current party leader who has a degree in economics
-You don't seem to remember that it was the liberal party who pressured Harper's government into deficit spending - they would have voted against the budget otherwise
-every single G20 country spent billions on Stimulus, as it is classic keynesian economic theory - something you obviously know nothing about
@patrick43215 - Yes, he's the only economist; but every party wants to balance the budget.
His party was also the only one to stand against gay marriage. He's also the only one manipulating information to demonstrate a need for more prisons, which costs billions of dollars; which is hilarious, as if we legalized weed, something he won't do, we'd have a huge drop in prison population.
Right now, since all parties want to balance the budget, it's a vote between the people and the military/corps.
@Rapoirier Actually, you are wrong. With the lie-berals' history of corruption (remember the recent scandal) we Canadians have a choice between someone who stayed with us and a carpet bagger who, "didn't come back for us".
Easy way to summarize: "Better a hockey dad than a Russian Count".
@mikefastener - I don't typically vote Liberal; I only do it if I feel there is a strong contest in the area and they are the only ones with a chance of winning. 'Lesser of two evils', should we say? Either way, my moral views, as anybody with moral views that aren't based on a proofless book, are well established - so I dislike a lot of what Harper does.
Pointing to a catch phrase used by an ad, however, isn't very strong. Those ads are meant to make Ignatieff look selfish and like an America.
@Rapoirier Actually, you are wrong (again). I have voted Liberal; but, I care about Canada too much to vote for Iggy and the Liberals this election. Iggy does not understand what it is to be a Canadian (having been gone 42 years). The ads you refer to are now being called, "fact ad" since the liberals never question their accuracy.
2) In a multicultural, diverse, and open country (Like Canada, not America), it shouldn't matter how long somebodies been away from it if they're committed.
3) The Liberals never questioned that he's been gone, and I haven't denied it either. I only denied the inference of him being an 'American', when Harper demonstrates values more similar to those seen by American politicians.
@mikefastener - I already told you I didn't deny he said he's Liberal Mike, but even when he was doing that he never stopped to reference himself as Canadian at all. Honestly, if I was in his position, I'd do the same thing! If you're writing, you want credibility by encouraging nationalistic tenancies. Should he have done it? Probably not. Did it mean anything extremist? Definitely not. He's referenced being a Canadian and an American in the same year.
I was so amazed at your comments. Perfect fit for the stereotypical arrogant yet ignorant sheep that repeats party lines and MSM.
"I know how you vote"
"Really? How do I vote?"
"you vote left-wing (because you do not like to think)"
I am truly disgusted with that. It is this narrow-minded, one-sided and irrational way of thinking that is bring down our country that you claim to love so dearly. The very ppl that think they know everything are the ones that know nothing.
@mikefastener - Most of your comments simply twisted my words violently without giving a reasonable explanation why. You really don't have a clue how to debate, are extremely biased and one sided, and seem to not even listen to my points.
Harper restricts social freedoms and programs that can help people. So what if we pay some more taxes - we already pay a huge amount, and Harper has little goal of reducing that significantly either. With the amount we pay, we should be able to easily
@mikefastener - I believe I listed a lot of them when I did my stochastic emphasis on Conservative opinions a while back. I didn't say all of them are restricted; simply that some are, and many are threatened. Go over them.
I never said I was disgusted at taxing. Again, you're making a point I rebuttal without targeting the rebuttal, but simply arguing against a straw man.
The NDP is NDP, not Conservatives. They ran an economy with Liberal values, as seen by how they helped our
@mikefastener - You need to elaborate this point far better than you did.
Clearly, if people were dying on the streets, their needed to be more subsidized housing. And hey, that's what the NDP advocates. So you're supporting them? Great!
@mikefastener - You really don't know how to debate, or make any point at all, do you? You should take a Logic or Critical Thinking course sometime.
I'm really starting to question whether you're trolling and trying to be annoying, or you actually jump over my points to assert yours without relating how yours is supposedly superior. Putting cocky sentences on the end is ad hominem, and it's a classic weakness in debating. Unless you have a actual point to make, I'm done.
@mikefastener You are just bashing on his subject claiming that yours is better without proving any point or bringing an argument in the debate. You are the weaker opponent... even if you don't realise it.
@SuperPignati Poor Unsuper! I raised the original point and my weak opponents refuse to answer (typical left-winger tactic). How about you? Do you share my disgust at the leader of the NDP living in publically subsidized housing while people were dying on the street of Toronto?
@mikefastener When debating, there are rules, for example: -You don't directly your opponent for what he is and not his tactics (Calling him weak). Those kind of arguments are invalid and are called Sophisms. Sophisms don't prove a point, they don't convince anyone else than the people that are not taking part in the debate,for example: the audience. I am not going to debate with you on the Canadian election over Youtube. I am just trying to get you to improve your debating skills.
@SuperPignati Sadly...you are wrong! When you cannot provide a response to a simple question (which you didn't BTW in your post) we all know how weak your debating skills are. Have you considered taking a high school course in debating?
@mikefastener I didn't answer the question because I don't want to answer it... I don't want to get in an argument with someone like you but if you really want to get in an argument with me, come on and send me your e-mail in a private message, I'll have nice laugh. :)
@SuperPignati But your behaviour is typical left-winger (no facts, angry when challenged, a faith based belief rather than facts). You cannot deny this evidence!
@mikefastener I am not angry, I don't even feel challenged by your attacks and I don't debate with faith, neither do I debate with facts, I did not talk about Canadian politics at all. By the way, yes, I am a left-winger. I don't care if you don't believe in what I believe, the Beatles used to say: Let it be, it's exactly why I am not debating about politics or anything because your opinion is yours, mine is mine, neither of them is good or bad, it's what we believe in. Pick your battles.
@SuperPignati Sorry my silly friend; but, you are talking nonsense! You say you don't care about debating; yet, you are the one that posted a response to me! I immediately indentified you as left-wing because of your poor debating skills and lack of facts. You at first did not want to admit it and then I forced you to. (Amazing that the traits of left-wingers are so easily identified don't you think?)
Oh well, maybe you can find a weaker opponent next time.
@mikefastener I NEVER said I didn't care about debating. You are misreading EVERYTHING I say. You are the one debating with faith rather than facts. You are honestly the most overconfident and pretentious persone I have ever seen. Did you even graduate high school? It seems that me that it would be most unlikely seeing that you cann't even read what I say. It's as if you read the first line and automaticly respond with stupidity.
@mikefastener To quote myself, ''I don't debate with faith, neither do I debate with facts, I did not talk about Canadian politics at all.'' I WAS NOT DEBATING. When you quote something, don't stop at the place that you would like it to stop.
@mikefastener You are the most ridiculous person I have ever seen. At a point, I tought you were joking! You call yourself the Ace of debating but you don't know what a sophism is you don't know anything at all... You're just a random guy with not that much of an education waiting behind his computer screen all day thinking he's superior. Seriously, get a life and an education, I won't be responding from now on cause you are pissing the fuck out of me with your lack of comprehension.
@SuperPignati I was always taught in debating (a natural skill set for me BTW) that once your opponent starts swearing ("you are p______ the f___ out of me") you have won the debate!
Note no swearing in any of my postings to you!
I am sure you are feeling embarrassed at this point; however, just run away and seek out a weaker debating opponent.
@mikefastener You're 54 years old an you're debating on youtube hahahahahha. (btw I don't live with my parents... you're assuming things again you old piece of shit)
@Rapoirier So you agree, if the NDP were in power, we would have more of them in subsidized housing and the homeless would still die. (Have you finished high school yet?)
@mikefastener - When in reality, Harper is the one who's leaning towards more similarities with America. Less multilateralism, and although not a lot of unilateralism, he pushes bilateralism with America (Which has many risks for us). He also stresses a stronger military and more corporations, with less social programs and more restrictive laws... more prisons... etc. At the same time, I'd say nothing Ignatieff has done has shown he's more selfish than Harper. I wouldn't say the reverse, either.
@Rapoirier Your opinion is not backed up by facts! Mr. Harper has worked so much to improve Canadians' lives. The decade of disaster under the previous lie-beral gov't is over with investments in Canada's security in the military. Investments in corporate tax equality (which Iffy approved BTW) will help our unemployment. Wow--all done with a minority gov't.
@mikefastener - 4) You're saying jobs in the military are good right now? I have many friends in the military, and honestly, they're paid to do very little. We do have a small military, but with the uses we make of it, we hardly need more. Likewise, jobs in military and money in military fail to help people. Buying less than a hundred jets? Sweet, billions of dollars for less than a hundred jobs. =.=
I think Harper represents everything wrong with moral values.
@Rapoirier 4-I am saying that the "Decade of Darkness" under Chretien--our most senior military officier's words--were a shameful period for Canada. Our soldiers were dying in old equipment the liberal party refused to moderize for political reasons. Many in the military feel physically sick thinking about the liberals--ask your many friends.
I know Iffy and lie-berals have no values and only want to get elected to enjoy the perks of power.
@mikefastener - My friends in the military know nothing of politics, which is a shame. And if you understand anything about liberal ideology, you'll understand it's more socially than economically driven. This discrepancy and the general hatred you harness towards them makes intellectual discourse hard to have with you. I'm simply asking to refrain from slang like 'lie-beral' and focus on the conversation, not the propaganda.
@Rapoirier I cannot understand your point! Your say your friends know nothing about politics; yet, their leader referred to the lie-beral years as the "decade of dispare". What do you say about this?
"lie-beral" is a term used by more and more Cdn's--are you argry at them?
@mikefastener - As for the way I vote, quite frankly I vote based on: 1) Current party platforms, 2) Primary issues they are concerned with, and 3) Which party has the highest chance of beating the Conservatives (Clearly, if its pronounced, I'm not concerned about this). This election I'm still undecided, but I will tell you it will be NDP or Green.
As for the lie-beral term, how would you feel if I said Conservitard? It distracts from intelligent discourse, and brings emotion in to...
@mikefastener - The reason I strongly dislike the Conservatives is they are hypocritical. 'We can't reduce taxes until the budgets balanced'; reduce taxes for corporations. 'We value transparency and democracy'; postpone democracy, forge documents, hold staged interviews, and ignore polls of what the people want. 'Iggys an Americanizer'; offer Canadians strong American values. 'They're making a reckless coalition!'; even if we were made through one as well, and tried another 6 years ago.
@mikefastener - For your final analogy, I'd agree with it, but not the implications. I feel Harper is more like a Russian Count in how he postpones democracy, how his party members forge documents and lie about it, how he bends 'just enough' to get what he wants, and how he tries to sneak things through parliament.
I'm not saying the Liberal party is good with respecting democracy (Actually, I think recently the Greens are the best at it), but they are better than the Conservatives.
@mikefastener - Every Conservative ad starts with facts, but they make insane inferences. 'Ignatieff has spent most of his life in America > He's only in it for himself'; We want to make jobs & lower taxes, Ignatieff wants to raise taxes 3 times over. Conservatives bring the 'sound bite' to the 'sound pinch', and that pinch is made of pure propaganda.
What has Harper done to improve Canadian lives? Tell me.
What did the previous Liberal government royally screw? (Seriously, I'm only 18, Idk)
@Rapoirier Previous lie-beral gov't stole from all Canadian taxpayers and have never paid it back. (Look it up--they still have not paid back $40million!)
Mr. Harper has run the best economy (he is an Economist you know) in the G7 and is praised by world leaders for his handling of our financial situation.
@mikefastener - You're right, he is, and he's a good economist. I give him credit for that. He did, however, deny his own views on the Canadian stimulus you know?
As for liberals stealing, can you offer me something more than 'they stole' and reference a name or two at least?
Most parties do agree corporate tax cuts should be reduced - and they should, but when we're in debt, how can Harper justify not offering tax cuts for the citizens and for corporations instead?
@mikefastener - politics. Emotion should not effect intelligent debates, if you're such a good debater, you should know this. Lastly, the term Conservative and Liberal not only represent certain parties, they represent ENTIRE ideologies that are very necessary (BOTH OF THEM) in all of politics.
I'll google that reference, by the way. What are you talking about Ontarios debt for? I didn't even touch on this. You bring up many points I haven't made.
@Rapoirier I am grounding you in reality. Another lie-beral member (Dalton McLier) is reducing corporate taxes to create jobs in Ontario--Iffy is the odd man out.
How can you possibily reconcil this except to admit to Iffy's hypocrisy?
@mikefastener - Actually, your mention of the corporate tax cuts creating jobs as well seems false. I looked in to it, and there is no history of that ever being the case in the last 11 years.
In fact, there seems to be little argument at all for corporate tax cuts right now. Especially since Harper is the one who said we cant cut taxes until the budget is balanced... unless of course, you're a business, and not a person.
@Rapoirier Interesting comment; however, you lose again. (Don't get embarrassed, I have been a good debater since high school--a natural gift I guess.)
Iggy voted for corporate tax cuts (until his selfish lust for power took over). The Ontario Premier (lie-beral BTW) has put corporate tax cuts in the budget to produce jobs.
Are you saying Iggy was wrong or right before and the premier is wrong now?
@TheUKCanadian The PC party is gone. Today's Conservative party is a permanent coalition between the former PCs and the Reform/Alliance parties. Harper is a textbook Reformer. As for Conservatives robbing us how about no bid stealth fighter contracts, the G20, dumb on crime legistlation and megaprisons? Today's Conservative party is not fiscally conservative in the least.
did you guys hear that bald orange guy died?
kag6 2 months ago
@kag6 yeah its pretty sad he died and ignorant stupid fucks like you are still alive today. pretty fucking sad.....
Jg9393 2 months ago
@Jg9393 lol relax mine fuher
kag6 2 months ago
@kag6 I think Dion is French though. Or were you talking about Ignatieff? If you were well he comes from Canada but the name I think is Italian. I can be your Chief (Native) but I can't think of any Fuhrer material yet.
Cronkonium 1 week ago
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Harper is the Best Pm we have had since diefenbaker.
Dodger481 3 months ago
I was brought here from NHL All-Star videos. I thought this would be about Dion Phaneuf, but I was pleasantly surprised, as I'd forgotten how much I'd hated Stephane Dion.
CanadianGuitarist 6 months ago 9
Why must people argue like children on youtube? OHHH you know more sophisticated words to use and say things that seem to make sense... RAWR go do something else rather than getting mad at each other on youtube.
freedom1476 7 months ago
Ignatieff, he is so pathetic, the word isn't strong enough. I was happy when I saw him lose, what a poor character. He repeated again and again: Shutdown, shutdown, shutdown... Well I would gladly shot him down with any gun. Just look at his face, I cannot see any good, anything, only negative frequency after negative attack. Stephen Harper shutdown everything? He certainly shut the fuck up you down, looser. Stéphane Dion did a better job compare to him and it was after the scandal, looser!
WayofLiving1 8 months ago
The irony of this is that this add shows Ignatieff in a good light, and then they turn around and spend two years murdering him in the media, spending millions of dollars doing it - then say elections waste money.
Conservative's are hippocritical to the max - although I'll give props to Harper for being an excellent politician, hes managed to say he fixed the economy, when in truth the opposition dragged him kicking and screaming towards every good things hes done. The majority will be dark.
demonicfork 8 months ago 12
@demonicfork I'm a liberal and I agree it also looks like an ad endorsing Ignatieff for the leadership.
peace6173 2 weeks ago
It's the GEICO announcer!
bkanachki 9 months ago 3
someone should make these comments into a novel
chenzii 9 months ago
@chenzii please god no
Keinlicht 8 months ago
Lmfao, he said "lolol"
JasonCliffordClement 9 months ago
Lol!!
ThoughtfulThoughts7 9 months ago
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creinste 9 months ago
You know how I knew Dion would take a big fall? Because the Sun media always shined Dion in a neutral/bad light, and Harper in a neutral/good light. People don't realize how much the media shapes our opinions. And the scary part is, the majority never question the information they're given. They just accept it like the word of god.
You know how I knew Ignatieff would become the new liberal leader? Because the Sun media always shined him in a good light until he took over the leader position.
witness10643 9 months ago
@witness10643 - As for Sun Media, I haven't read much of them since the election started (They slant everything), but 6 months ago there was a Harper attack article almost daily. It's actually why I stopped reading them, I grew tired of their bias. People don't question information; I agree. Why don't you question attack ads? (I like how you refer to God, by the way :) )
I think the most important issue is the tax cuts - why now, and not later? 18% vs. 15% isn't a huge deal...
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I agree with you!!! The CBC (Communist Broadcasting Company) and the Toronto Star (the hypocrisy is sicking) also disgusts me.
What can we do to combat these liers?
I have voted lie-beral in the past but I cannot with these lie-beral tools!
What can you and I do for fairness?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Although I like that we have common ground with the Sun, I still often rely on the CBC. Quite frankly, I see very little bias. Recently, there was a completely false critique of their Vote Compass that I laughed at (Simply because I tried various combination and getting Conservative was easy).
Lastly, I address your point of Liberals not having to think - now that's just derogatory. The reason I like Liberals is because they have a (low but) better grasp of common sense then..
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Abortion? Naw (Read Judith Thomsons argument on it if you disagree with me). Gay marriage? Naw (No logical reason; at least they didn't stress it though). Smoke marijuana? Definitely not - harsher penalties, more prisons, more police, less rights for you, and lets not tax it and make money. More federal-provincial subsidies for health care? Naw, they're good. Prostitution? Naw, let STDs spread by not setting rules and taxing it. Seniors? Fuck em. Education? University students
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I agree with all of your points! The lie-berals certainly made a mess out of all of your topics.
Thank goodness we have Mr. Harper in to undo the lie-berals' silliness.
Agreed?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - can afford it themselves. Corporations? Better than people and sex AND sliced bread. Military? Were not a peacekeeping nation or anything, and well respected for it, with multiple contracted NATO allies - let's get better. (I agree we should be good on ground, but the air debate is sofa kingdom. We don't need them anytime soon; many other parties fail to see this though.) Environment? Well, they try, but not enough. (I'm all for the Oil Sands though).
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier If we had voted for Dion and the lie-berals last election, we would have had that crazy carbon tax destroying our economy.
Interesting that Iffy never brings this up...isn't it?
Thank goodness we have Mr. Harper. Canadians are so proud of him.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@witness10643 - compared to other countries. We're still very competitive, especially since we tend to offer resources and not produce items.
The Conservatives are hypocritical when they say 'Well reduce everyones taxes after we pay off our debt, but well let corporations go now'. Meanwhile, MNCs of all sorts pay far less compared to the nearly 50% Canada pays on input/output of wealth. We're taxed on income and on purchase - few other countries do that to the same extent we do.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Interesting that lie-beral Dalton McLier disagrees with you.
Your comment?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - the Conservatives. Now truly, the Liberals do many things that piss me off. But in politics, it seems the more sense you make in reasoning and in morality and social policy, the less you make in economics. I admit this. I'm a fiscal Conservative and a Social Liberal, and refer to myself as a Left-Libertarian.
This is why I hate Conservatives guts: They want to tell me what I can and can't do personally more than any other party.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier "what you can and can't do"....no, you are wrong!
The lie-berals and NDP want to take money from you (in taxes) and take away your choice.
Easy example.....country wide day care versus giving mom and dad the money to make their own choice for their children.
(Really makes the point, doesn't it?)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - It's simply the moral logic in it all. They want to put military and corporations over people, well restricting what I can and can't personally do - and a lot of it makes no sense.
They come off stronger than any other party in Social Restrictions, and that's simply not right.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I love the way that the Conservatives say, "live your life without restrictions". Yet the NDP and lie-berals demand we pay taxes to fund their mandated social agenda.
I'll vote for freedom everytime. I'll vote Conservative.
And you.......?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - afford them, considering countries such as Norway pay less in overall taxes then us and have magnificent social programs. The thing about taxes, as well, is if everybody pays them, there's not a huge imbalance and lack of funds that you think exists. In fact, PPP tends to increase.
Conservatives care more about military we don't need than the people within our borders. It's disgusting. At the same time, they mandate what you can and can't do.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I am (like you) also disgusted with the leftwingers!
How can we stop their "tax and spend" attitude?
Your thoughts?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - You seem to neglect the fact that I don't vote for the Liberal party; yet you continuously attack them for past discrepancies. This last few years, the Conservatives have had many. They seem to try to think they are a majority party and represent most of Canada, which clearly, is false. They postpone democracy to avoid getting kicked out, and actually had a vote of non-confidence. That's a huge deal.
Yes, they're good with the economy. But the NDP have made Mantioba
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier The NDP "made" Mantioba (sic) by behaving as Conservatives!
Thanks for the confirmation!
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - very strong. In a federal situation, I think they'd do great. The Greens? Who knows; they haven't had a shot yet.
And the thing about Left-Wing parties is they have moral values. And of course, the Conservatives have this sense of 'I don't have to help anybody'. They think doing nothing is neutral. It's not; Evil isn't a negative of Good, it is simply the absence of Good.
I want my dollar to care for children, the sick, the elderly, the homeless - not fund war.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier The left-wingers only care about themselves. Ask them to eliminate the homeless problem and they will never do it (because it will eliminate their jobs).
As Jack Laydown about his stay in publicly subsidized housing.
You may get an eye opener.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - The fact is the (C)s aren't nearly as accountable as you think they are. Yes, the Liberals aren't perfect either, but at least they have a grasp of logic and common sense.
The Conservatives have been eroding transparency and freedom from day 1:
theaustralian (dot) com.au/news/world/canada-watches-its-democracy-erode/story-e6frg6ux-1226030310248
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Agreed....google, corruption, lie-berals, Martin, Dion, Layton in publicly subsidized housing....let me know what you find.
mikefastener 9 months ago
i like it !
saraallo 10 months ago
since when is it "easy to make priorities" and even then since when is it easy to actually fulfill those priorities. Stephan Harper has neither yet he's still in office... I'd take the bloc as leaders at this point.
southparkiscool 10 months ago 2
If leaders set priorities why is Iggy leading the Liberals?
ClaytonBeitz 11 months ago
Ignatieff only looks good when compared to lightweights like Dion.
marc80s 11 months ago
Dion just didn't really have the charisma to be a party leader. Iggie's not that much better.
awfulsails 1 year ago
DO YOU THINK ITS EASY TO MAKE PRIORITY's?
Gustavochaci 1 year ago
I'm convinced that Ignatieff is a US agent. Which makes him a pro - conservative.
amazing to see the whole left in disarray. Never thought Id see the day the Green's were the sensible left.
00Billy 1 year ago
I thought Ignatieff was above this kind of bull. I was thinking of voting Liberal in the next election, if Ignatieff ever grows a pair and decides t kick his buddy Stephen out of office, but after seeing this - I will vote NDP. At least Jack Layton doesn't have to resort to attack ads. All he does is point out what ass holes the other two leaders (and parties) are.
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 you might want to see the description. It clearly stated that the ad was made by the Conservatives...
kennyc002 1 year ago
@kennyc002 Doh!
OK then, I'm voting Green er somp'm else. I still don't like Michael Ignatieff or Stephen Harper. I like Festin Bulvis best. Vote for Festin!
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 Yeah with Canadian politics, it's all about picking the lesser of evils. We just don't have someone positive and have a positive vision for Canada's progress like Obama is for the US. That's the kind of politics I'd support. This type of BS politics is...meh....
kennyc002 1 year ago
@ujean56 If only Jack would stop jerking a woman's arm down (so he could mug for the camera) or if he and Olivia would have voluntarily got out of publicly subsidizided housing (while people were dying of the streets of Toronto) I'd agreed. I met Ed Broadbent, I voted for Ed Broadbent and this Layton guy is no Ed Broadbent.
Better to go Conservative under the steady hand of Mr. Harper!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener I would agree except that Mr. Harper's hands are not all that steady. It seems he's always jerking off while fantasizing about being a statesman and an American one at that.
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 With Mr. Harper's steering of the Canadian economy, he is welcome to "jerk off" in his spare time. (Rather than Jack Layton, simply being a jerk off!)
Glad for the opportunity to clarify things for you.
You're welcome!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@ujean56 BTW ugreen56...is Jack and Olivia still in that publicly subsidized housing?
Just wondering.....
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Hi Mike! Good to hear from you yet again. I cannot tell you if the Laytons still, or ever have lived, in subsidized housing but I can tell you that both Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff currently live in subsidized housing and they even have cute little names for the houses. You remember the one that Brian and Mila renovated with taxes and then took all the stuff with them when they were voted out? BTW did you ever finish your high school diploma? Just wondering...
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 Poor ujean...confused again!
The Cdn public has decided that the PM and Leader of Opposition have publicly subsidized homes--well known by all. The Leader of the NDP--not deemed important enough to have one (obviously). Google: Jack Layton Publicly Subsidized People Dying on Streets of Toronto for Jack's little indiscretion!
Brian and Mila--I didn't know they are running in the next election.
BTW did you finish grade school? Note: A wet cloth makes wiping egg off your face easier.
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Hi again Mikey! And your point is? Sometimes it helps if you actually have something to say instead of recycling the same nonsense each time you submit a post. When was the vote taken for free housing for the PM and his "loyal" opposition? I must have missed that one. Was it before Brian was elected? I'll take your answer to my question about high school as a "no". You'll need to take your own advice on what works well for eggs on faces.
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 How did you Google search go on Jack?
(Next answer should be interesting....folks!)
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener OK Mike - I have searched google for Jack Layton. But no info about Jack and Olivia in subsidized housing while people were dying in the streets of Toronto - I guess they took that site down. I did find Jack and Olivia's secret sex tape and something about Jack belonging to the Illuminati and something about Marxists wanting to raise your taxes but you really shouldn't believe everything you read on the web - or the TV for that matter. Cheers!
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 jeanie--glad you admit they must have taken that site down (rather than denying Jack would never have done such a thing--says a lot about your believe in Jack's ethics doesn't it? -- don't worry, you are with the majority of Cdns)
So the end result? I guess I educated you.
You are welcome!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@mikefastener Dear sadly deluded Mikie. The only thing you educated me about was how unbelievably out of touch you right-wing religious nuts really are.
ujean56 1 year ago
@ujean56 But, you never did check about "jerkin' jack" did you?
(Wow folks, we've get jennie on the run now!)
mikefastener 1 year ago
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBORING!!!!!
BigTimage 1 year ago
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Stick a fork in it, we're done.
kefkaROX 1 year ago
okay, so Micheal Ignatieff is, thanks for clearing that up Conservatives.
akropiss 1 year ago
I think Stephane Dion is a kind, decent, gentle man. Having said that, he's also the biggest loser ever!
SnorkelNose 1 year ago
"Do you think it's easy to make priorities"
Um... it isn't, Stephen Harper.
AbyssCrown 1 year ago
I am sorry Liberals but alot of people I know will not vote liberal this year or any year with Ignatieff as leader. Keeping Stephane Dion was a better choice, really, this guy sounds desperate especially after forcefully ousting Dion. You need a new leader that looks prime ministrial, not a hypocrite, just look back at 2006, Iggy he kept flip floppingon issues everyone remembers that. Next election, Conservative Majority, Liberals tied with NDP.
UnitedWeAreComedy 1 year ago
Lmfao!
Even though Dion is hilariously bad..
All attack ADs are misleading and rely on cheap low blows to get a point across.
Dont pay attention to them and make an EDUCATED choice.
Also wonder, if the other side has to slander their opposing party.. why do they feel so threatened by them?
godly04 1 year ago
@godly04 "why do they feel so threathened...." actually, the answer is very easy (although, I warn you, you won't like it) with the very liberal bias media, this is the only way the Conservative Party can get a message out. I'd complain about the disgusting media if I were you!
mikefastener 1 year ago
@godly04 ,,,,,are you saying these ads are...."an inconvenient truth"?
Just wondering....
mikefastener 1 year ago
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I hate Canada.... but their are starting to grow some balls.. like France hopefully..
bambam4LSU 2 years ago
i wouldn't talk. i bet your american eh? good choice of electing a mindless president.
iRHAPEzombiies 2 years ago
YOU THINK ITS EASY TO MAKE PRIORITIES??? what a clown dion is lol
fiddycentschest 2 years ago
This is unfair!! lol.. Harper is more of a liberal then Ignatieff .. i know.. the truth is hard to hear.
ma3rooof 2 years ago
I lost any respect I may have had for the Liberal party after watching this, and I truly believe this is was a crucial factor in the outcome of the 2008 election. Canadians didn't want a Prime Minister who sounded whiny and undecisive, they wanted a leader. Stephen Harper forever.
torylivingston 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
People that take sides by seeing this ad have poorly developed minds. Sophistical TV crap.
DARTAGNANS170 2 years ago
Actually, they face the truth! (And your problem with facing the truth?)
mikefastener 2 years ago
i dont get it....why would a liberal make his own liberals look bad?
i guess it has something to do with him being the leader of the liberals now?
blackhawk777 2 years ago
Iggy's lust for power knows no bounds!
mikefastener 2 years ago 4
whats the context? What the hell is that? you can't make yourself an opinion over that!
VincentBlouin 2 years ago
I don't know how anyone could like him
yourass117 2 years ago
does soemone have the link
to taht whole conversation?
meloveicecream24 2 years ago
Yes, Dion was his own worst enemy!
Exotic3000 2 years ago
With all due respect I'm a Liberal and all 3candidates are quite weak.
Ignatieff: He says "we" didn't get it done. Funny coming from him since he hasn't been in the country for 34 an only wrote books never to help ordinary Canadians in public office.
Dion: English is his own worst enemy, this was proven over 2 years.
Ken Dryden: Come one? Seriously, hocket player turn Prime Minister? Sounds like a CBC made for T.V. movie.
They are old rich guys. Now Obama, there is a bulletproof leader!
gundamWWW 2 years ago
Obama isn't bullet proof at all. You will learn this he declares Canadian land internation as well as Canadian waters international. Although since he think all water is international, which the Law of the Sea (200 miles from the coast is that nations waters, North West Passage Definitely not 400 miles apart) maybe he seeks to take over Canadian land with water, considering how strong his plan to reduce CO2 is. Slightly better fuel efficiency, even though most CO2 comes from coal power plants.
12v45g 2 years ago
Oh, also, a bulletproof modern leader would probably keep his promises, like upholding NAFTA. Instead, Obama is putting his country ahead of the world, and most importantly Canada, by insisting upon protectionism. Because of him Canadian pipe was ripped out of the ground in California because it wasn't American. His only good quality is being all let's get along, which will only serve to reduce completely justified hatred against the United States. I can see him being a dictator in bad times.
12v45g 2 years ago
who the hell whines and says "this is unfair!" during a debate or discussion?
whoo689 2 years ago
stéphane dion does apparently.
xD
1213Reviews 2 years ago
poor dion...yeah he sucks but he got eatin alive in the last election
bucketoker 3 years ago 3
Only rednecks vote conservative
allstarjason 3 years ago
Dion, Layton, Duceppe: the 3 unelectable stooges!
Tilbily 3 years ago
Stephon Dion was set up by his own party...
I actually feel bad for the man, since he does belive he was doing good for our country, but the truth of the matter is that his part knew what was coming and needed a whiping boy to take the fall, guess who was it. That is my opinion, nothing more nothing less, but after watching and listening, from the time he became the leader, till his fall from grace, it is pretty clear what was going on, it is Utter BS what they did to this man.
mystlynn 3 years ago 23
@mystlynn
I agree, and now they have goofball ignatieff to "get things done" what a joke.
TheCORE87 11 months ago
@mystlynn ...and could you imagine what they would do to all of us Canadians with Iggy at the helm and Bob Rae in a cabinet position, like finance? We would be screwed. I know Harper is not that popular, but he is the lessor of two evils. And as far as I have seen, the PC's have not robbed us yet, and are strengthening up the Armed Forces with badly needed equipment and are getting tough on crime. Plus, HE LOWERED THE GST by 2%!!!! What more do you want? I'll vote Harper next election.
TheUKCanadian 11 months ago
@TheUKCanadian - Harper cut 6 billion in corporate taxes, bought a 40 billion stimulus that economists agree was not needed and did nothing, and has sunk us even lower still to the 140 billion dollar mark... the worst any Canadian governments ever done.
Harper has no sense of morality or logic (As seen by being against things such as gay marriage, marijuanna use, and prostitution - sorry if my libertarian senses make me point this out) and no sense of economics.
Rapoirier 11 months ago 2
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@Rapoirier "Harper cut 6 billion in corporate taxes" Hence our economy is still strong, no housing collapse and no massive job losses.
"bought a 40 billion stimulus that economists agree was not needed and did nothing" Liberal Economists? At least the stimulus went back into the economy and back into the hands of companies and into workers pockets not on advertising campaigns and wind farms.
"As seen by being against things such as gay marriage, marijuanna use, and prostitution" - No reply.
TheUKCanadian 11 months ago
@Rapoirier
-Harper is the only current party leader who has a degree in economics
-You don't seem to remember that it was the liberal party who pressured Harper's government into deficit spending - they would have voted against the budget otherwise
-every single G20 country spent billions on Stimulus, as it is classic keynesian economic theory - something you obviously know nothing about
-Harper has made no attempts to ban gay marriage
-none of the major parties support prostitution
patrick43215 10 months ago
@patrick43215 - Yes, he's the only economist; but every party wants to balance the budget.
His party was also the only one to stand against gay marriage. He's also the only one manipulating information to demonstrate a need for more prisons, which costs billions of dollars; which is hilarious, as if we legalized weed, something he won't do, we'd have a huge drop in prison population.
Right now, since all parties want to balance the budget, it's a vote between the people and the military/corps.
Rapoirier 10 months ago
@Rapoirier Actually, you are wrong. With the lie-berals' history of corruption (remember the recent scandal) we Canadians have a choice between someone who stayed with us and a carpet bagger who, "didn't come back for us".
Easy way to summarize: "Better a hockey dad than a Russian Count".
Makes sense?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - I don't typically vote Liberal; I only do it if I feel there is a strong contest in the area and they are the only ones with a chance of winning. 'Lesser of two evils', should we say? Either way, my moral views, as anybody with moral views that aren't based on a proofless book, are well established - so I dislike a lot of what Harper does.
Pointing to a catch phrase used by an ad, however, isn't very strong. Those ads are meant to make Ignatieff look selfish and like an America.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Actually, you are wrong (again). I have voted Liberal; but, I care about Canada too much to vote for Iggy and the Liberals this election. Iggy does not understand what it is to be a Canadian (having been gone 42 years). The ads you refer to are now being called, "fact ad" since the liberals never question their accuracy.
Hope I helped you.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - 1) I never guessed how you voted.
2) In a multicultural, diverse, and open country (Like Canada, not America), it shouldn't matter how long somebodies been away from it if they're committed.
3) The Liberals never questioned that he's been gone, and I haven't denied it either. I only denied the inference of him being an 'American', when Harper demonstrates values more similar to those seen by American politicians.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier 1-I am very confident on how you voted.
2-A knowledge of Canada and Cdn's is Number 1 for a PM. Being gone 40 years disqualifies anyone from that knowledge.
3-Iggy himself said he was an 'American'. Are you calling him a lier?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - 1) Really? How do I vote?
2) A general grasp of knowledge is Number 1 for any position. Ignatieff has studied and taught at Harvard.
3) Nope. But, he's also said he's a Canadian. Even when he was living in America, he wrote a lot about Canada and his pride in it.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier 1-you vote left-wing (because you do not like to think)
2-Iffy taught at Harvard--"those that can do, those that can't teach"
3-Iffy referred to himself as an American--do you deny this? (Be careful, you are already looking foolish right now.)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - I already told you I didn't deny he said he's Liberal Mike, but even when he was doing that he never stopped to reference himself as Canadian at all. Honestly, if I was in his position, I'd do the same thing! If you're writing, you want credibility by encouraging nationalistic tenancies. Should he have done it? Probably not. Did it mean anything extremist? Definitely not. He's referenced being a Canadian and an American in the same year.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier - In my first paragraph, I mean to say 'American' and not 'Liberal.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@mikefastener
I was so amazed at your comments. Perfect fit for the stereotypical arrogant yet ignorant sheep that repeats party lines and MSM.
"I know how you vote"
"Really? How do I vote?"
"you vote left-wing (because you do not like to think)"
I am truly disgusted with that. It is this narrow-minded, one-sided and irrational way of thinking that is bring down our country that you claim to love so dearly. The very ppl that think they know everything are the ones that know nothing.
valentin6li 9 months ago
@valentin6li I agree with you about the arrogant lie-berals and NDP!
They demand your vote and try to shame those of us (you and I) that want to think.
(Can you imagine someone who shunned Canada for 42 years now coming back and demanding to be PM?)
I share your disguse and ask have you contacted your local Conservative office for a lawn sign?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Most of your comments simply twisted my words violently without giving a reasonable explanation why. You really don't have a clue how to debate, are extremely biased and one sided, and seem to not even listen to my points.
Harper restricts social freedoms and programs that can help people. So what if we pay some more taxes - we already pay a huge amount, and Harper has little goal of reducing that significantly either. With the amount we pay, we should be able to easily
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier You talk a good game, but fail every time.
What are these so called freedoms that are restricted?
(You may embarass yourself on this one.)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - I believe I listed a lot of them when I did my stochastic emphasis on Conservative opinions a while back. I didn't say all of them are restricted; simply that some are, and many are threatened. Go over them.
I never said I was disgusted at taxing. Again, you're making a point I rebuttal without targeting the rebuttal, but simply arguing against a straw man.
The NDP is NDP, not Conservatives. They ran an economy with Liberal values, as seen by how they helped our
Rapoirier 9 months ago
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@Rapoirier Tell me about the $40 million....
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - health care system.
The left-wingers care about everyone else, as seen by us targeting pensions, environments, education systems, health care, civil rights, and welfare.
I know of Jack Laytons use of subsidized housing; are you implying that people who live in subsidized housing can't have valid political opinions?
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Easy question....how many died on the streets of Toronto while Olivia and Jack enjoyed the subsidized housing apartment?
8? 12? 40? Please answer!!!!
(Or run away like most left-wingers do.)
Next answer will be interesting, folks….
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Your point being? If the NDPs were in power, few would have died on the streets. Durr.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier If Jack and Olivia were not in subsidized housing, fewer would have died on the streets.
Ashamed of them? You are not alone.
Just thought I would clarify....
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - You need to elaborate this point far better than you did.
Clearly, if people were dying on the streets, their needed to be more subsidized housing. And hey, that's what the NDP advocates. So you're supporting them? Great!
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Incorrect again! (Boy, you have a 1000 batting average--to be wrong!)
People are dying on the streets because no one will help them or Laydown and Olivia take up spots.
Clarifed again.
You are welcome.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - You really don't know how to debate, or make any point at all, do you? You should take a Logic or Critical Thinking course sometime.
I'm really starting to question whether you're trolling and trying to be annoying, or you actually jump over my points to assert yours without relating how yours is supposedly superior. Putting cocky sentences on the end is ad hominem, and it's a classic weakness in debating. Unless you have a actual point to make, I'm done.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I agree with you, "you are done".
With you weak debating skills and a weaker subject (defending left-wingers) I am surprised you lasted this long.
Good luck at finding a weaker opponent.
And best wishes on your journey.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - I call Poe's Law on you.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I call Occam's razor on you!!!
(Feeling a little foolish about now?)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener You are just bashing on his subject claiming that yours is better without proving any point or bringing an argument in the debate. You are the weaker opponent... even if you don't realise it.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati Poor Unsuper! I raised the original point and my weak opponents refuse to answer (typical left-winger tactic). How about you? Do you share my disgust at the leader of the NDP living in publically subsidized housing while people were dying on the street of Toronto?
Let us see if you try to run away now!
(I know I have now painted you into a corner!)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener When debating, there are rules, for example: -You don't directly your opponent for what he is and not his tactics (Calling him weak). Those kind of arguments are invalid and are called Sophisms. Sophisms don't prove a point, they don't convince anyone else than the people that are not taking part in the debate,for example: the audience. I am not going to debate with you on the Canadian election over Youtube. I am just trying to get you to improve your debating skills.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati Sadly...you are wrong! When you cannot provide a response to a simple question (which you didn't BTW in your post) we all know how weak your debating skills are. Have you considered taking a high school course in debating?
Maybe you can find a weaker opponent next time!
Good luck in your journey.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener I didn't answer the question because I don't want to answer it... I don't want to get in an argument with someone like you but if you really want to get in an argument with me, come on and send me your e-mail in a private message, I'll have nice laugh. :)
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati I am sure you want to "hide" your poor debating skills in "private" messages!
(What is it about left-wingers that always want to hide things? Maybe you can explain!)
Send to me your e-mail address (if you have so little confidence in your arguments.)
(BTW--I am sure you don't want to answer my question--the wingers do indeed have a lot to apologize for.)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener I never said I was a ''left-winger'', you assume things.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati But your behaviour is typical left-winger (no facts, angry when challenged, a faith based belief rather than facts). You cannot deny this evidence!
Agreed?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener I am not angry, I don't even feel challenged by your attacks and I don't debate with faith, neither do I debate with facts, I did not talk about Canadian politics at all. By the way, yes, I am a left-winger. I don't care if you don't believe in what I believe, the Beatles used to say: Let it be, it's exactly why I am not debating about politics or anything because your opinion is yours, mine is mine, neither of them is good or bad, it's what we believe in. Pick your battles.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati Sorry my silly friend; but, you are talking nonsense! You say you don't care about debating; yet, you are the one that posted a response to me! I immediately indentified you as left-wing because of your poor debating skills and lack of facts. You at first did not want to admit it and then I forced you to. (Amazing that the traits of left-wingers are so easily identified don't you think?)
Oh well, maybe you can find a weaker opponent next time.
Hope this exchange helped you.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener I NEVER said I didn't care about debating. You are misreading EVERYTHING I say. You are the one debating with faith rather than facts. You are honestly the most overconfident and pretentious persone I have ever seen. Did you even graduate high school? It seems that me that it would be most unlikely seeing that you cann't even read what I say. It's as if you read the first line and automaticly respond with stupidity.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati To quote you, "I don't debate with faith, neither do I debate with facts".
Need I say more?
Good luck on solving your issues.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener To quote myself, ''I don't debate with faith, neither do I debate with facts, I did not talk about Canadian politics at all.'' I WAS NOT DEBATING. When you quote something, don't stop at the place that you would like it to stop.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati Put down the bottle!
This specific site/video is about Canadian politics.
Point-Set-and Match.
Good luck in your journey.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener You are the most ridiculous person I have ever seen. At a point, I tought you were joking! You call yourself the Ace of debating but you don't know what a sophism is you don't know anything at all... You're just a random guy with not that much of an education waiting behind his computer screen all day thinking he's superior. Seriously, get a life and an education, I won't be responding from now on cause you are pissing the fuck out of me with your lack of comprehension.
SuperPignati 9 months ago
@SuperPignati I was always taught in debating (a natural skill set for me BTW) that once your opponent starts swearing ("you are p______ the f___ out of me") you have won the debate!
Note no swearing in any of my postings to you!
I am sure you are feeling embarrassed at this point; however, just run away and seek out a weaker debating opponent.
Hope this exchange helped you!
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener What!!! You didn't tell me you were still living in your parents' basement, little Grasshopper!!!
How about we move you to the Childrens' Table of Debating for now? Once you grow up and mature, we will let you back to talk to the Adults.
Sound fair?
lolol
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener You're 54 years old an you're debating on youtube hahahahahha. (btw I don't live with my parents... you're assuming things again you old piece of shit)
SuperPignati 9 months ago
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@SuperPignati The children will be calling you shortly Little Grasshopper.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener Finally! Agreement that imposing crazy socialist ideas will not get us anywhere.
Thanks.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@Rapoirier So you agree, if the NDP were in power, we would have more of them in subsidized housing and the homeless would still die. (Have you finished high school yet?)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - When in reality, Harper is the one who's leaning towards more similarities with America. Less multilateralism, and although not a lot of unilateralism, he pushes bilateralism with America (Which has many risks for us). He also stresses a stronger military and more corporations, with less social programs and more restrictive laws... more prisons... etc. At the same time, I'd say nothing Ignatieff has done has shown he's more selfish than Harper. I wouldn't say the reverse, either.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Your opinion is not backed up by facts! Mr. Harper has worked so much to improve Canadians' lives. The decade of disaster under the previous lie-beral gov't is over with investments in Canada's security in the military. Investments in corporate tax equality (which Iffy approved BTW) will help our unemployment. Wow--all done with a minority gov't.
No worder we are all so proud of Mr. Harper.
Hope this helped.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - 4) You're saying jobs in the military are good right now? I have many friends in the military, and honestly, they're paid to do very little. We do have a small military, but with the uses we make of it, we hardly need more. Likewise, jobs in military and money in military fail to help people. Buying less than a hundred jets? Sweet, billions of dollars for less than a hundred jobs. =.=
I think Harper represents everything wrong with moral values.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier 4-I am saying that the "Decade of Darkness" under Chretien--our most senior military officier's words--were a shameful period for Canada. Our soldiers were dying in old equipment the liberal party refused to moderize for political reasons. Many in the military feel physically sick thinking about the liberals--ask your many friends.
I know Iffy and lie-berals have no values and only want to get elected to enjoy the perks of power.
Again, shameful.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - My friends in the military know nothing of politics, which is a shame. And if you understand anything about liberal ideology, you'll understand it's more socially than economically driven. This discrepancy and the general hatred you harness towards them makes intellectual discourse hard to have with you. I'm simply asking to refrain from slang like 'lie-beral' and focus on the conversation, not the propaganda.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I cannot understand your point! Your say your friends know nothing about politics; yet, their leader referred to the lie-beral years as the "decade of dispare". What do you say about this?
"lie-beral" is a term used by more and more Cdn's--are you argry at them?
Just wondering....
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - As for the way I vote, quite frankly I vote based on: 1) Current party platforms, 2) Primary issues they are concerned with, and 3) Which party has the highest chance of beating the Conservatives (Clearly, if its pronounced, I'm not concerned about this). This election I'm still undecided, but I will tell you it will be NDP or Green.
As for the lie-beral term, how would you feel if I said Conservitard? It distracts from intelligent discourse, and brings emotion in to...
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier "lie-beral"....check Gomery Inquiry for confirmation.
Hope I helped you.
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - The reason I strongly dislike the Conservatives is they are hypocritical. 'We can't reduce taxes until the budgets balanced'; reduce taxes for corporations. 'We value transparency and democracy'; postpone democracy, forge documents, hold staged interviews, and ignore polls of what the people want. 'Iggys an Americanizer'; offer Canadians strong American values. 'They're making a reckless coalition!'; even if we were made through one as well, and tried another 6 years ago.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@mikefastener - For your final analogy, I'd agree with it, but not the implications. I feel Harper is more like a Russian Count in how he postpones democracy, how his party members forge documents and lie about it, how he bends 'just enough' to get what he wants, and how he tries to sneak things through parliament.
I'm not saying the Liberal party is good with respecting democracy (Actually, I think recently the Greens are the best at it), but they are better than the Conservatives.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Are you talking about lie-beral sense of entitlement? I know that I would prefer a, "hockey dad over a Russian Count".
How about you?
(Iggy must be insecure to always bring up his royal background.)
What do you think?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Every Conservative ad starts with facts, but they make insane inferences. 'Ignatieff has spent most of his life in America > He's only in it for himself'; We want to make jobs & lower taxes, Ignatieff wants to raise taxes 3 times over. Conservatives bring the 'sound bite' to the 'sound pinch', and that pinch is made of pure propaganda.
What has Harper done to improve Canadian lives? Tell me.
What did the previous Liberal government royally screw? (Seriously, I'm only 18, Idk)
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Previous lie-beral gov't stole from all Canadian taxpayers and have never paid it back. (Look it up--they still have not paid back $40million!)
Mr. Harper has run the best economy (he is an Economist you know) in the G7 and is praised by world leaders for his handling of our financial situation.
That is enough for me.
And you?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - You're right, he is, and he's a good economist. I give him credit for that. He did, however, deny his own views on the Canadian stimulus you know?
As for liberals stealing, can you offer me something more than 'they stole' and reference a name or two at least?
Most parties do agree corporate tax cuts should be reduced - and they should, but when we're in debt, how can Harper justify not offering tax cuts for the citizens and for corporations instead?
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier lib-erals stealing....check Google, "Gomery, Inquiry, liberals, thief, corruption, scandal, shame for Canada"
You will find the reference.
Ontario is in debt--are you saying Dalton McLier is a lier?
(Next answer should be interesting folks!)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - politics. Emotion should not effect intelligent debates, if you're such a good debater, you should know this. Lastly, the term Conservative and Liberal not only represent certain parties, they represent ENTIRE ideologies that are very necessary (BOTH OF THEM) in all of politics.
I'll google that reference, by the way. What are you talking about Ontarios debt for? I didn't even touch on this. You bring up many points I haven't made.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier I am grounding you in reality. Another lie-beral member (Dalton McLier) is reducing corporate taxes to create jobs in Ontario--Iffy is the odd man out.
How can you possibily reconcil this except to admit to Iffy's hypocrisy?
mikefastener 9 months ago
@mikefastener - Actually, your mention of the corporate tax cuts creating jobs as well seems false. I looked in to it, and there is no history of that ever being the case in the last 11 years.
In fact, there seems to be little argument at all for corporate tax cuts right now. Especially since Harper is the one who said we cant cut taxes until the budget is balanced... unless of course, you're a business, and not a person.
Rapoirier 9 months ago
@Rapoirier Interesting comment; however, you lose again. (Don't get embarrassed, I have been a good debater since high school--a natural gift I guess.)
Iggy voted for corporate tax cuts (until his selfish lust for power took over). The Ontario Premier (lie-beral BTW) has put corporate tax cuts in the budget to produce jobs.
Are you saying Iggy was wrong or right before and the premier is wrong now?
(Starting to sweat a little, my friend?)
mikefastener 9 months ago
@TheUKCanadian The PC party is gone. Today's Conservative party is a permanent coalition between the former PCs and the Reform/Alliance parties. Harper is a textbook Reformer. As for Conservatives robbing us how about no bid stealth fighter contracts, the G20, dumb on crime legistlation and megaprisons? Today's Conservative party is not fiscally conservative in the least.
skeetergreen 10 months ago 2
@TheUKCanadian Tough on crime yes. Let's spend billions throwing people in prison for nonviolent crimes. That will show people just how tough we are!
skeetergreen 10 months ago
Vote for NDP!
ARandomCanadian 3 years ago
K, well. I'm not Liberal, but attack ads are a low, shameful waste of resources.
rugermkiii 3 years ago 28
@rugermkiii and a positive political ad is not a waste of resources?
aweiss 1 year ago
I laugh every time I see this video. Too bad Ignatieff wasn't in charge. I quite like his attitude.
crazyrabbits 3 years ago 2