Prop 23 Documentary: The Battle over California's Future (Full Documentary)

[sylvestsharron]

cool clip thanks for sharing ..

[prop23FAIL]

Our addiction to petroleum oil is costing us jobs, lives, and an economy. We have seen those prices skyrocket and it will only go up more despite the government handouts we give to the companies that fund terrorism. This is not only about the environment. it is about cutting off supplies to the people who want us dead!!! Our troops are having a hard time getting fuel in as their supply routs through pakistan are being attacked. They are only now starting to look at growing their fuel.

[prop23FAIL]

@wurledpeas- The Shipping industry would be greatly advantaged by using algal fuel for thier diesle vehicals. The construction industries and the military could save money and time by growing their own algal bio fuel. The algea oil estimates of about 30- 70 cents a gallon, are far less costly than the Petroleum industry you are defending. Algae is the original oil. You have been fed lies that there are no alternatives, and that it is costly and unAmerican to conserve. I very conservative!!

[WurledPeas]

@prop23FAIL You very illiterate. That algae bullshit it NOT as cheap as you claim. I very conservative and use WVO in my truck and have made my own biodiesel. It's great for the individual but doesn't work on a huge scale. AB32 creates NO jobs. Prop 23 will cost NO jobs. The fees and taxes that are imposed will kill the already ailing economy here. Like I was explaining to the other moron, who like most enviro twits, doesn't think shit through, the higher cost will be passed to the end user..

[WurledPeas]

@WurledPeas That end user is a population of people who are already financially strained. And you want to add another 20% to the cost of everything they do or buy? Really? Lemme explain how that goes:

People who are broke from utilities and transpo being too costly stop buying. The vendors pull back and cut jobs. Those people stop spending and more contractions happen. Vicious cycle. And no, algae fuels are not the total answer. Neither are ill conceived laws aimed more at control. See: Spain.

[prop23FAIL]

@WurledPeas thanks for your well thought out, well-researched, civil, humble, brilliant commentary! Enjoy those peas and the pollution you pray for :)

[WurledPeas]

@prop23FAIL And thank you for once again exhibiting that environMENTALists have no facts to refute mine or to support your specious claims. You chose your screen name well. It ends in FAIL.

[PoofDuddy]

I'm voting YES on 23 to stop Dirty Eco-Hippy Measures that want to shackle you and me down to pay for China's air pollution with tripling gas prices more fees and taxes. AB32 was another Wall St. trick to create an shadow exchange billing everyone for their personal pollution such as the air they exhale. In past millenia, charging you the air you breathe was once called slavery. The people behind AB32 was Wall St. and Yes on 23 kills it! Vote yes on 23 for freedom.

[httm241]

@PoofDuddy ya well jerry brown is not passing 23 and i think companies should be held accountable for there actions

[LORDOFWARS8]

As long as renewable energy is not another excuse to promote CARBON TAX then it make s sense ...otherwise not!

[prop23FAIL]

create jobs and more importantly stop the outsourcing of our power!!! so much of our money for energy leaves the state and country. if we spent that money in california on california made energy we could be back to 5 percent unemployment.

[Tiosh]

I love how "YesOnProp23" is blocking comments and ratings.

I don't understand their proposition on how saying no to 23 will kill jobs. If anything, it'll create jobs to continue the lowering of air pollution.

[WurledPeas]

@Tiosh CARB itself says AB32 will elevate gasoline and diesel prices to around $4 gallon and electricity bills from 20 to 60%. Those costs will be passed to consumers of all goods and services in California. The obvious reaction is fewer purchases of those G&S'. If you don't see how that will kill jobs you are a moron. The majority of the jobs AB32 will create are in fucking China.

[Tiosh]

@WurledPeas $4 a gallon, oooo so eeeeevil eh? You're going to take CARB at face value? Less oil consumption = less demand. Supply and demand goes down. If you want to bring outsourcing to the debate, everything gets outsourced no matter what route you take. You're attacking the wrong part of the debate. If you want to attack "outsourcing", you need to attack "outsourcing", not the symptoms.

And really? Name calling?

[WurledPeas]

@Tiosh If the shoe fits on that name calling. Remember a year ago when fuel went to$4/g?Remember the truckers rallies and how they were talking about bankruptcy? Kill trucking= kill commerce=kill jobs. Yeah, we can afford that. No, idiot, everything DOES NOT get outsourced. Not remotely. But you envirotards are sure trying. I mentioned outsourcing,stupid, because the leftist environazis talk about all the green jobs that will be created. Yeah, in China. That'll pay my bills. And yours?

[WurledPeas]

@WurledPeas So you asshats take CARB at face value when Mary Nichols lies and talks about how much AB32 will help but not when they talk about the costs? Convenient that. Not only is she wrong and purely ideologically motivated about the numbers she in error of the low side. Fuel will go over $4. All you need do is look at Spain. They did this and failed miserably. for every so called 'green job' Spain lost 2.2 regular jobs. Nice. Those 'green job' were mostly government funded........

[WurledPeas]

@WurledPeas ..Like we need or can afford yet MORE government employees running around getting paid on the tax payers broken backs. So you have read AB32? I doubt it. It's a farce. The authors used the fraudulent data from a discredited fraud with a fraudulent degree for the particulate emissions numbers. Thanks Mary Nichols. You can't handle a little name calling now? Wait until unemployment in California hits about 30%. You gonna give up your job to help out?

I don't think so.

[Tiosh]

@WurledPeas It's become pretty clear that no matter what I say you're not going to move your beliefs even if I prove you beyond a shadow of a doubt you're wrong. It's not that you just have a gun-ho belief you're right, it's also you have uncanny ability where you make assumptions without any basis.  So it's become pretty clear it's impossible to have a civil debate with you.

But I will see you on election day. Till then, toddles.

[WurledPeas]

@Tiosh Accurately point out one assumption I have made. There is historical and economic basis for my statements. See, if you increase production cost through artificial taxation those costs are passed to the consumer. If the consumer pulls back your sales drop. Sales drop and productivity(employment) is close behind.

What is truly clear to you is I am not some brain dead pushover who will fall for the same BS you fell for.

I am full aware 23 is going to fail. Congratulations. We all lose.

[prop23FAIL]

We just posted more no on prop 23 vids

[prop23FAIL]

Dear piper of the winds and others for prop 23, We are going to lose more money and jobs if we do not do something to change our energy sources. Think of all the money that leaves this state to pay for our energy. We can make cheaper, more abundant energy for california by californians. This disinformation you keep listening to is paid for 10 to 1 by intrests both outside our state and outside our country.  look up Algae Oil and tell me we don't have alternatives

[WurledPeas]

@prop23FAIL Dear moron. You spew lies. Think of all the jobs AB32 is going to kill by taxing and regulating then right out of state. The trucking industry will lose big. The few manufacturers will leave when their products are no longer competitive.

You shills for No on 23 are funded by big Silicon Valley tech millionaires who will clean up in the solar panel business..... panels courtesy of CHINA, labor courtesy of Mexico.... not California. You eco-nazis will ruin this state.

[davidthegreatgeneral]

I would ask why these people went on this video.

[davidthegreatgeneral]

I Love oil

[originalcause]

With AB32 companies are not going to pay fines, they are just going to move their operation to other states or countries. So, the net CO2 output on the planet stays the same. The only thing that changes is that CA jobs are lost, and thus the economy is depressed. That's why I voted YES on Prop 23. It's a lie that 23 hurts jobs. It's just the opposite.

[ainefairygoddess]

I just got my NOon23 PIn and Bumper stickers today!

[wert4580]

1. AB 32 is already in place

2. Green energy promotes innovation, which promotes competition, which promotes growth, which creates jobs.

- All 4 of those are tenets of capitalism

3. Oil is on the way out. That's not an opinion, or a trend, it's a truth. One day, oil will be gone. The sun, wind, hydro, and other resources will still be here.

4. I don't want Texas making beautiful California any worse.

Literally, it's impossible to be in favor of Prop 23 if you have any semblance of intelligence.

[PiperOfTheFourWinds]

Also, we live in a Capitalist nation, which means that we don't NEED our government to put a business out. If there really was something better, all it takes, is letting people know about it. If people didn't buy Fossil Fuel products, then those companies would go under on their own, or start working on something else. It's simply a matter of coming up with something provably more effective, that performs about as well, or better.

[PiperOfTheFourWinds]

Do people realize that AB-32 will hurt California's economy? If you make it so that the oil companies have to pay more money, then gas and diesel prices sky-rocket, which causes prices for hiring truckers to go up, which would cause prices for EVERYTHING to go up... ...People already have a hard time affording the things they need, so how would hurting trucking help the economy?

[km6xu]

@PiperOfTheFourWinds Decades ago, I saw similar arguments against emissions controls on cars, but I am sure glad that sanity prevailed, and our cities don't have the air quality of Mexico City or Beijing. Fossil fuels are ultimately unsustainable and shall become the way of the past for the good of us all. The reason why the subsidies to the oil, coal, and nuclear industries dwarf those of the alternatives is because those industries have more than a century's experience at buying politicians.

[foryouamanda]

Bravo to the film makers and all the powerful voices in this consciousness raising documentary. Thank you.

[ronjonslim]

I'm in favor of big government and government control. No on Prop 23 will give government control to create more jobs, clean jobs.

Like, if you agree.

[electricrailwaygod]

Prop is a death nail for the railway electrification industry (which thanks to big oil virtualy is at this moment non-existent in North America). As an ardent advocate for railway electrification (as well as other forms or transport) this proposition shall make it manyfold times impossible to initiate a railway electrification programme not only for California, but for the rest of the continent, hence Canada and México inclusive. The far reaching ramications are a disaster al around. NO on 23!

[loveofphysics]

Excellent documentary, prop 23 is so anti-Silicon Valley. The next wave of entreprenuership and innovation is in clean tech.

[PlanetJohnny]

Finally the Truth on Prop 23 instead of Big Oil's lies. 

[ZaraArthurJames]

This really sums up the reality that Prop 23 will kill jobs, increase CO2 emissions, and make people sick. It's definitely not something I'm in favor of.

[WurledPeas]

@ZaraArthurJames You are also not in favor of the truth.

[prop23FAIL]

This is a powerful documentary. If you're not moved to vote no on Prop 23 after watching this, you've got a black oil heart.

[PiperOfTheFourWinds]

@prop23FAIL Or you realize that there is far more than the growth of clean energy businesses at stake... The whole of California's economy could be really screwed up if AB-32 gets implemented... ...Whether or not jobs get killed or made. It would destroy existing jobs, and create new jobs that no one is sure of yet. The "Save The Environment" reasoning only goes so far... ...If we destroy ourselves to do it, what's the point?

[prop23FAIL]

@PiperOfTheFourWinds It's not Clean air OR Jobs, it's Clean Air AND Jobs! The green economy is the future, and I'd rather see California at the forefront of that growing market than China & India. We need to stay competitive, and we need jobs that will stay HERE.

[sierragreen]

@prop23FAIL And a chunk of coal for a brain.