Now, unlike all you haters, i'm gonna give this truck a fair score. It looks like it could go anywhere, and getting in a huff because they've "Copied technology" from others is stupid.
If they're like everything Chinese I've had to buy, they'll break in about two minutes under light duty. Burned up a "heavy duty" Chinese battery charger starting my lawn mower. Zzzzzt. Pfff. In the trash it went. Peice a' shit.
woo fighting over the INTERNET LOL, btw Chinese air force has been used in the Korean and Vietnam wars, just that its not publicized due to the repercussions. Then again, consider the US Air Force, it also has never ever faced a equal air crew in active air combat, granted, they do have experience flying overseas, but the best competition/enemy they have faced are scanty few aircraft, and the biggest danger is from RPGs on the ground. Equal air crew in active air combat?
If this isn't a rip-off of the Tatra promotional video, I don't know what is. I'm picking it's either an identical soundtrack, or at least by the same composer.
The suspension is a clear ripoff from Tatra...Watch any Tatra truck off road videos and notice the independent half swing axles in action.....even the music is from one of the Tatra trucks video lol
sure wont help when your eating rounds from a A-10 warthog as it chews your communist truck into peices small enough to fit into a hat box, and we ziplock bag you back home for chairman Mao.
@spanish111japan let me school you on a few things...dumbass. the A-10 Warthog is a veritable flying tank. it's engines are shrouded in a mass of bullet proofing, and impact absorbing cocoons. the PILOT is seated in a 1230Kg Forged Titanium tub, nick named the bathtub,which shrugs off 37mm cannon shells, and doesnt even work hard.
the plan has triply redundant hydraulic systems, THEN a manual system.
world class fire suppression, and a 7 barrel 30mm cannon that rips tanks apart.
@80spodcastchannel Hey, an asshole who has not studied about aviation is talking here!
Yor ridiculous A-10 can be covered fromb ullets and everything, your ridiculous and unskilled pilots can be in any titanium tube they want, with any protection they want.
All the crap the A-10 haves can be easily blown the hell out with MISSILES.
Missiles, is what you ignore.
Isn't that ironic huh? Lots of crap to protect the pilot, then a missile comes, and, KAPUTT!
@spanish111japan ROFLMFAO, your thinking that CHINESE AIR TO AIR missile systems are THAT good?? ok chuckles, here's a few facts,J-10 and J-11 fighter have a range of 80 km.the US F-22 has a more advanced missile. the AIM-120D AMRAAM has a range 95 km,and sophisticated avionics,makes F-22 a more lethal fighter.
15 KM is more then a plane length. ANY chinese fighter is more then dead facing the F-22, with it's superior combatives/range/loiter and avionics. you want more,I can do this all day.
@80spodcastchannel it amuses me you unblocked my channel, just to feel better about arguing on the internet.
one last thing...the CHINESE Air Force is a Paper Tiger that has NEVER faced a, equal air crew in active air combat... the RUSSIANS know their limitations, you think the CHINESE and it's Mid grade fighter is able to best OUR best?
The Chinese Air Force is as many other air forces, never tested, but powerfull. Except that their air force is even large in a few years, overpowering the US Air Force..
The Chinese still have to do much in Aviation, and i agree with you there.
@spanish111japan The USAF is the largest AF in the world sorry to say.Russia is number 2 and then china is number 3.But im sure the RAF EF-2000 and the USAF F-22 could out match anything china has.
@spanish111japan Your forgetting technology has to evolve,you wouldnt equip a meteor missile on an F-15 course you wouldnt be able to,So you design a plane that's ultimatly superior but instead you choose it's competitor.Russia has alway's been more of an airspace defence air force,consideing they produce SAM's more than any country,But seeing how little number's they have on there advanced plane's they must rely on SAM's.Btw first part i was refering to the US choosing the YF23
@1bearcatf8f Pretty much yes, that's true. I finally find someone telling me true facts, instead of inventing them. YouTube need more people like you bro...
@spanish111japan Lol well thank you,Your one of few people who arnt getting hostile.But russia's airforce alone is dangerous,the US need's a newer fighter jet that's better than the F-22,Russia's T-50 will be a tough match for the F-22 but the F-22 is also alot stealthier so who know's.But once Russia's new SAM's get deployed and start killing plane's then we will need something better
@32middlelinebacker well, you should advance at all times. Look at its suspension--it has very little vertical travel, only rocking leaf travel which we had in the 50s. Compare it to the MTVR 7-ton truck offroad, and imagine the speed increase.
@redreaper2020 this is true! but unlike north america or europe and stuff in those kind of countries like china, the balkan states etc where military service is mandatory when you turn 18 maybe things need to remain simple to work on because the chinese military is in essence kind of a peasant army with peasant thinking :S no offense to them or anything thats just how she goes...
@32middlelinebacker What countries in the Balkins have conscription? My wife is from Macedonia and they have an all volintary military like we in the U.S. have.
@dudekidguy1 they used to until recently i just checked and apparently a lot of the conscription has been abolished in 2010 in that region. I think Austria and Greece are the only ones in that area who still do conscription...
@32middlelinebacker Actually I think that all of the former Republic of Yougoslavia (Balkin states, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and two autonomous provinces within Serbia: Kosovo and Vojvodina ) which are their own Republics did away with conscription at the fall Yougoslavia in the early 1990s.
@redreaper2020 and somehow you would know... yes yes, we all know how americans have access to classified military information of every country in the world....
@jobjed Eyeball the suspension, compare with a new oshkosh or even the airride HET. The tires are an outdated design used in the 1960s by Russia; the engine is based off an old Russian design that gets horrible mileage even for a truck, and while your at it, answer me why nobody buys Chinese trucks on the civilian market.
@redreaper2020 it's cos of people like you the chinese companies don't even bother to market it to you. after all, china has the largest population and is soon to become the largest market
@redreaper2020 The difference is that, the Chinese housing bubble will not burst like the way US housing collapse because the Chinese Govt will make sure this does not happen. "Their population still makes an average of $1-$2/hr ' but there are 100 to 150 million Chinese who have saved enough to pay for the down payment.
@typhoonq that's not only not the figure they need, but no guarantee. I can save enough for a down payment for a house, not make enough to afford it, and still lose it.
They have cities--CITIES--which are empty. EMPTY. NOBODY. Not a single person in them except for a skeleton crew maintaining them. They don't have a stable income able to keep up with the costs of the homes.
Party bosses have been building at cost to artificially inflate the GDP. There's no real demand.
@typhoonq I apologize for my factual incorrectness, I feel the need to correct it. Due to a mistranslation, they don't make an average of $1-$2 an hour but $1-2 a day.
As I've mentioned in my previous post. It's not just about how much individuals make. It's about how much they make in RELATION to how much they spend. The Chinese culture is to spend what you have. If a Chinese person can't earn enough to buy a house, then he/she will either NOT buy one, or work harder to get more money.
The US spend what they DON'T have. That's the fundamental difference that caused the US housing bubble to burst.
@docsein1 no. that's the credit crisis. That was brought on by the housing bubble partly.
Speculation--guessing what you can sell something for--makes a crisis. When it bursts, it's devastating--it passes like a ripple through the economy.
China's economy is far less stable than it appears, as it's reliant upon foreign consumption--antagonize the US, or Germany, or Russia, and suddenly you can't sell anything.
No, I'm talking specifically about the housing crisis that happened a few year back. When I mention debt, I'm not talking about the US national debt, I'm talking private debt.
Eventually, of course, private debt leads to a massive national debt, But that's what's happening Now. I believe in this particular case we are talking about the housing bubble of a few year ago.
As for China's economic stability, I would argue that the US is in FAR, FAR worse shape.
The US economic system is based on liberalization and deregulation. This type of approach may give short-term growth, but it is inherently unstable because the system relys on private sector controls. There is little accountability; As long as the corporations can make a good buck, they do what every want. When something goes wrong they just put the bill on the public or pack-up and leave.
3. If China stopped exporting to the US and EU overnight, China WOULD suffer considerable economic loss. But losses would actually be FAR worse for the US and the EU.
China has been a major driving force behind the lifestyle that the west enjoys, by providing inexpensive goods, and by providing loans to buy those goods. If that stops, the prices in the west would go through the roof overnight. By then, ECONOMIC stability would the least of their worries.
In terms of China's dependance on US and EU foreign consumption; there is SOME truth in that. But it is not as crucial as you might think.
1. China has many international trade partners. It has good political, and fantastic economic relations with all the other BRIC nations.
2. As a result of the crisis abroad, the Chinese government announced a few months ago that they will accelerate the transition from a foreign consumption driven economy to an internal consumption one.
@docsein1 but to do 2, they would wreck their export trade. You'd have to bouy pay rates massively to even approach western standards ($1-$2/day is their current per worker average...nowhere near what would be needed, even if they had sustainable growth). The cost of oil works against them--to keep competitive, they have to keep pay rates VERY low. They raise pay to become self sustainable, and they have a massive gap where they can't do either.
As I've mentioned in #1 the US is not China's only trade partner. Granted it is an important trade outlet, but transitions can be made to the other BRIC nations as well as the multitude of nations surrounding China. So it would not "Wreck" China's export.
As for the wages, I'm not sure how that would decrease sustainable growth. Those wages are not dependent on the US alone.
I'm not sure I understand the arguments of your latter comments, please elaborate.
@docsein1 More you pay workers, less you are competitive (lower profit & higher prices). There's a huge gap between the pay rate to be competitive and the pay rate to be sustainable.
The price of oil is added to exports via shipping. An $x Chinese widget will (normally) have 25-45% of its price be shipping, 1-5% labor, the rest profit & upkeep. When oil rises, that means the price goes up drastically--oil going from $80-$160/barrel means that's now a 30%-50% increase in cost.
The pay rate, doesn't have that kind of effect on domestic consumption (which is what we were talking about, especially when we are further talking about competition). If China doesn't export a commodity, it doesn't need to pay any extras (shipping, tariffs etc.)
As for fuel prices; If China doesn't need to ship good to the other side of the world, fuel prices would not be much of a factor.
You're still thinking exports, while talking about domestic consumption.
@docsein1 In the West 30%+ of price is labor, whereas there it's >5%. Currency manipulation helped that along, too. But when oil goes up, domestically-produced goods become more competitive--even if you pay 40% and not 1% in labor, you have none taken out for shipping (only for trucks).
The same thing that made China boom--cheap labor and export-oriented finances--makes it unable to be sustainable. WalMart alone, if considered a country, would be their 5th largest trade partner.
1. Walmart is a Transnational. It may have started in the US but it's no longer an exclusive US corporation. So it's China components will continue to business as usual whether the US like it or not.
2. Walmart is a retailer who's competitiveness comes from it's supply chain. A process can be copied like everything else. Walmart can be replaced quite easily in China.
3. As for your other comments; are we still talking about Chinese DOMESTIC consumption?
@docsein1 it's very difficult for them to transition as well because China and Europe/America have very different cultures. The "Japanese management system"--producing at a slow pace, but getting needed parts as-needed rather than stockpiled, which is the norm since the late 70s--requires speed and high quality control (as do modern products). Being 2-4 weeks sea-shipping and having mostly cheap labor and a completely different language & culture means China's not suited for that.
@docsein1 no, the difference between culture and the timedelay of delivery is what hinders them from entering the type of exportswhere htey could raise the wages.
It's a catch-22. To be self-sufficient they have to raise wages. If they do that, their exports aren't competitive, they lose jobs, wages go down naturally...if possible it'll take 2-3 decades. In addition, there are 2 billion of them--there's not enough wealth worldwide to reach per capita equality w/ the west.
3. I didn't say that China should try to compete with the US in Per-Capita wealth in the SHORT term. I'm only saying that the US is not Critical to China's economic growth and survival. And that the US has more to lose than China should anything happen.
2. Consumption doesn't have to start with a per-capita income increase.
The Chinese have enormous savings. If the individual could be encouraged to spend a bit more, there would be massive influx of wealth onto China's domestic market. This coupled with responsible government spending would gradually increase jobs and wages.
Yes, this would increase production costs, but increased wages would offset that.
This is not a paradox. The world economy is not a zero-sum game.
1. If China doesn't export to the US it can just gradually increase it's exports to the multitude of other nations it trades with. They just pick up the slack. Fuel would be no more a factor with them then it would be with the US.
Not selling to the US WILL hurt China, But it is NOT catastrophic to China.
If China is growing now, it will continue to grow, regardless of US consumption, albeit at a slower rate.
@docsein1 a minor reduction in industry shocked the US into its current state. The US is around 40-50% of China's business clientele. That's a massive blow. In a country not as secure politically as they make it out to be (there are still common riots, but their police and media services black them out), it's really not a good situation for them.
They can transition, but it will be a very, very long process.
1. Actually, Chinese Exports to the US is currently approx 30% - 35%.
BUT, I can see your point.
2. There ARE demonstration and riots in isolated parts of the country which no doubt being covered up, but the Chinese seat of government is actually quite secure. The vast majority of Chinese are sympathetic to the government on the Astronomical challenges they face in managing a country that's composed of 56 Ethnic groups and even more dialects. It's like the EU x 2
@docsein1 are you counting quantity or total economic action? "downstream dollar" effects play a role, but even at 30%, that's a massive chunk of an economy's exports.
The US housing bubble burst mainly because of one reason; Debt. People in the US borrow enormous amounts of money to pay for a lifestyle they can't actually sustain. So when it comes time to pay the bills, they default.
China's culture if FUNDAMENTALLY different from western culture. They SAVE. They spend only what they have. Where do you think they money US borrows comes from?
Chinese save, Americans borrow.
This is why the Chinese housing bubble will not burst.
do the words "chinese" and "steel" ever go good together...hey whats that, oh its just a cracked frame from metal fatigue...well find another guy with at least three fingers to weld it up...
and the chinese have alot and i mean ALOT of old russian Tech to Reverse engineer and maybe some improvements but look how right when russia showed thier t-50 just a year later we see the chengdu j-20
I predict that aside from syria, belarus is next on the NATO regime change list, they want any riot in minsk to justify action against Lukashenco regime belarus imports this truck from china.former United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice labeled Belarus among the six nations of the "outposts of tyranny".[9
It's natural for people to copy others. It's also natural for people who copy others to end up improving over the originals. That's the price you pay for being a pioneer. Look at Britain and Germany and Japan. China's going to be next in line.
I cannot understand why some poor guys exclaiming that these trucks are copy. is it difficult to manufacture trucks for a country that will have its own space station in next 2 years?
@vivek2686 TERE MOOH TAI TATTI KARAN OYE KISSAY TATTI KHAAN WALI AURAT DAI BACHAY, OYE KISSAY BUND CHATTAN WALI MAA DAI BACHAY, OYE KISSAY PHUSSI MARAN WALI MAA DAI BACHAY OYE KISSAY DAGARDALI MAA DAI BACHAY OYE KISSAY 4 MAMAY WALI AURAT DAI BACHAY.OYE KISSAY MUTH MARAN WALI MAA DAI BACHAY OYE KISSAY PATAY KUSSAY WALI MAA DAI BACHAY.TERI MAA NU HABSHI YAAN KISAY CHUPA LAAN WALI AURAT DAI PUTTAR. CHAL HUN APNA MOOH KHOOL TAI MERI TATTI KHA . . .
this is the shit our american solders needed fuck if we had these in afghanistan we wouldnt be losing lives because of roll overs in those fucken goat paths
Good video ! Excellently complimented by the music. Can you please tell me which is this sound track. Just the right piece to accompany a display of military prowess
People, copycat or not, wake-up! China is fast becoming a threat to the west. Shouldnt we be barking at our western governments, those government aligned to the west, on how they are going to address this.
Something seems funny, it looks fake like a model or something, especially see when the truck goes over the concrete embankment, the way the truck moves it is not real!
okopírovaná Tatra. Dokonce i s hudbou. Až na to že se jí žádné jiné vozidlo nevyrovná.
killer8353 2 days ago
Now, unlike all you haters, i'm gonna give this truck a fair score. It looks like it could go anywhere, and getting in a huff because they've "Copied technology" from others is stupid.
peepeevagi 1 week ago
not beat the good old finnish sisu truck
poookse 1 week ago
it is not durable like other cheap chinese products
paalu84 4 weeks ago
youtube.com/watch?v=oYEDf4nlJNs&feature=colike
aibragimovv 1 month ago
Это что? Тест? Я на ВАЗ-2105 то же самое проделаю. Надо как то так
aibragimovv 1 month ago
If they're like everything Chinese I've had to buy, they'll break in about two minutes under light duty. Burned up a "heavy duty" Chinese battery charger starting my lawn mower. Zzzzzt. Pfff. In the trash it went. Peice a' shit.
SADDLEHORN1A1 1 month ago
china copy everything :/
KirkIII 1 month ago
chinese shovel sent m here
Mreleezy 1 month ago
Chinese cant make trucks or cars ching chong ling pong bing hong fong
iamWhitepower100 1 month ago
I can see me cruising in this!
tjohn6041 1 month ago
China's super military truck, just like a normal truck, only invisible
AusVietnamesePride 1 month ago
i think i seen the tatra trucks video do the same course and with thee same music
rexkalgoorlie 2 months ago 17
@rexkalgoorlie china can copy everything :D
LeftCZ 1 month ago
@rexkalgoorlie
I was thinking much the same thing. Perhaps we are seeing Tatra trucks chassis with a chinese skin lol
narlzp 2 weeks ago
Скорее уж не на КаМАЗы, а на Мерсы, с лицензирования которых (если не ошибаюсь) и началось производство HOWO.
Ramulus2009 2 months ago
на Kamaz очень похоже...китайцы как обычно своего ничего придумать немогут, только воровать идеи и технические решения.
TheMarkilin 2 months ago
@TheMarkilin А ничего, что новые КАМАЗы тоже сами на западные машинки очень сильно похожи?:)
Ramulus2009 2 months ago
@Ramulus2009 вообще лучшие это шишиги и уралы.месят любую грязь.проверено)
TheMarkilin 2 months ago
super in your ass!!!
L4ss 2 months ago
Looks like a Volvo FL.
Hitachizaxis870 2 months ago
Chinese R&D program. Cyber theft
arizonaboy77 2 months ago
i was watching this then realized i don't give a crap about chinas trucks...
mwdt17 2 months ago
chinese stuff is poor quality and wont take long till it breaks
gtvapsamtik 2 months ago
I think I'm missing something here... Was I supposed to be impressed?
4ivanhoe4 2 months ago
well done, uphill traveling for china. cannot wait untill they figure out how to fly.
xBAIRDYx 2 months ago
it is even the same music that the Tatra product line video has on it
DaveHorecker 2 months ago
Looks like they copied the Tatra that that was built for the Indian army to me
DaveHorecker 2 months ago
ok then
MorvMunchMonster 2 months ago
woo fighting over the INTERNET LOL, btw Chinese air force has been used in the Korean and Vietnam wars, just that its not publicized due to the repercussions. Then again, consider the US Air Force, it also has never ever faced a equal air crew in active air combat, granted, they do have experience flying overseas, but the best competition/enemy they have faced are scanty few aircraft, and the biggest danger is from RPGs on the ground. Equal air crew in active air combat?
ROFLMAOWESED 2 months ago
it ain't super if it can't survive a 25 foot drop
VideoDude6475 2 months ago
Actualy like Volvo. But not like TATRA!!!!
TheCheopps 2 months ago
wtf is this? rip off of TATRA!
TeeJay231079 3 months ago
From which truck u copied this?
Muralidharan001 3 months ago
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Muralidharan001 3 months ago
haha Tatra is better than this
dharma9501 3 months ago
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dharma9501 3 months ago
If this isn't a rip-off of the Tatra promotional video, I don't know what is. I'm picking it's either an identical soundtrack, or at least by the same composer.
Give me a break!
Drafty01 3 months ago
The suspension is a clear ripoff from Tatra...Watch any Tatra truck off road videos and notice the independent half swing axles in action.....even the music is from one of the Tatra trucks video lol
tahnidopicizide 3 months ago
sure wont help when your eating rounds from a A-10 warthog as it chews your communist truck into peices small enough to fit into a hat box, and we ziplock bag you back home for chairman Mao.
80spodcastchannel 3 months ago
@80spodcastchannel The A-10 warthogs would not even reach destiny, they would be flaming with their bitchy pilots screaming for help.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan let me school you on a few things...dumbass. the A-10 Warthog is a veritable flying tank. it's engines are shrouded in a mass of bullet proofing, and impact absorbing cocoons. the PILOT is seated in a 1230Kg Forged Titanium tub, nick named the bathtub,which shrugs off 37mm cannon shells, and doesnt even work hard.
the plan has triply redundant hydraulic systems, THEN a manual system.
world class fire suppression, and a 7 barrel 30mm cannon that rips tanks apart.
and your a moron
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel Hey, an asshole who has not studied about aviation is talking here!
Yor ridiculous A-10 can be covered fromb ullets and everything, your ridiculous and unskilled pilots can be in any titanium tube they want, with any protection they want.
All the crap the A-10 haves can be easily blown the hell out with MISSILES.
Missiles, is what you ignore.
Isn't that ironic huh? Lots of crap to protect the pilot, then a missile comes, and, KAPUTT!
You are too idiotic to notice that.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan can you repeat that in human?
A-10's are not easy to kill and they usually fly home and land, even with catastrophic damages.
but then again, you can cut and paste from wiki, your too smart for us intelligent people.
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel Not easy to kill? Chinese Anti Air missiles can shoot down almost everything. A simple Chinese missile can handle them.
Yet, you refuse the power of Missiles, and keep claiming A-10 are aircraft capable of surviving ballistic missiles.
You are truly sad.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan ROFLMFAO, your thinking that CHINESE AIR TO AIR missile systems are THAT good?? ok chuckles, here's a few facts,J-10 and J-11 fighter have a range of 80 km.the US F-22 has a more advanced missile. the AIM-120D AMRAAM has a range 95 km,and sophisticated avionics,makes F-22 a more lethal fighter.
15 KM is more then a plane length. ANY chinese fighter is more then dead facing the F-22, with it's superior combatives/range/loiter and avionics. you want more,I can do this all day.
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel it amuses me you unblocked my channel, just to feel better about arguing on the internet.
one last thing...the CHINESE Air Force is a Paper Tiger that has NEVER faced a, equal air crew in active air combat... the RUSSIANS know their limitations, you think the CHINESE and it's Mid grade fighter is able to best OUR best?
laughable...
80spodcastchannel 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel How unblocked? I did not even block you dude.
The Chinese Air Force is as many other air forces, never tested, but powerfull. Except that their air force is even large in a few years, overpowering the US Air Force..
The Chinese still have to do much in Aviation, and i agree with you there.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan The USAF is the largest AF in the world sorry to say.Russia is number 2 and then china is number 3.But im sure the RAF EF-2000 and the USAF F-22 could out match anything china has.
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@1bearcatf8f Bring the jets, they have Anti-Air!
Why spend a hell in researching jets, when you have precious anti air missiles, that can face F-22 without problems?
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan Your forgetting technology has to evolve,you wouldnt equip a meteor missile on an F-15 course you wouldnt be able to,So you design a plane that's ultimatly superior but instead you choose it's competitor.Russia has alway's been more of an airspace defence air force,consideing they produce SAM's more than any country,But seeing how little number's they have on there advanced plane's they must rely on SAM's.Btw first part i was refering to the US choosing the YF23
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@1bearcatf8f Pretty much yes, that's true. I finally find someone telling me true facts, instead of inventing them. YouTube need more people like you bro...
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@spanish111japan Lol well thank you,Your one of few people who arnt getting hostile.But russia's airforce alone is dangerous,the US need's a newer fighter jet that's better than the F-22,Russia's T-50 will be a tough match for the F-22 but the F-22 is also alot stealthier so who know's.But once Russia's new SAM's get deployed and start killing plane's then we will need something better
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@1bearcatf8f the f22 was conceived in the 80's so who knows what we have now. I know the public won't know about it since its probably secrete ;).
isactucker 2 months ago
@isactucker Doesnt matter what year it was designed.The F-22 can still match the T-50 as they both are superior to the Junk-20
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@isactucker hell, the F-117 dates back from the 1970s.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 May be 70s but it still proved a deadly and unseen reaper in desert storm
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@1bearcatf8f we do, they're just classified drones.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel Chinese army owns many S-300, wich are CAPABLE of hunting down the F-22, they don't have it easy, but it is perfectly CAPABLE.
And don't except that they get new S-400, wich they were involved with, they funded most of the research!
The S-400 is ABLE to shoot down F-22 without complications! Only Russia haves them right now
CHALLENGE
Try writing a comment with PROPER typing, and not making up facts.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
@80spodcastchannel Yes, they are, and more with help of Russian Anti-Air systems, wich are amazingly incredible.
J-10 and J-11 you talk to me? The J-10 is a simple defensive and fighting aircraft, not air superiority, it's not supposed to be the BES.
J-11 Is designed to fight aircraft the type like Typhoon or Panavia Tornado, it is a copy of a good Soviet fighter.
Keep doing all this day, waste your words.
spanish111japan 2 months ago
Mersedec???
Msbadgirl20101 3 months ago
Anyone know what a FMTV is?
daveme7 3 months ago
will never beat a Daf YA 328
gilibran 3 months ago
Front IVECO+ MAN , Side Mercedes Benz...
Schrotty200709 3 months ago
its sped up.
deanbassist01 3 months ago
Chinese new trucks are about the same level of technology as maybe the US's in the 1980s. That makes me lol
redreaper2020 3 months ago 13
@redreaper2020 Lol is right i gotta agree with you man xD
1bearcatf8f 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 ...that comment makes me laugh.
Scooternz 2 months ago 9
@redreaper2020 Do not underestimate the great red army.
Lewislpalm 2 months ago
@Lewislpalm PRC Military Strategy: "Zerg rush kekekekekekekkee"
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 if it aint broke don't fix it right :P
32middlelinebacker 2 months ago
@32middlelinebacker well, you should advance at all times. Look at its suspension--it has very little vertical travel, only rocking leaf travel which we had in the 50s. Compare it to the MTVR 7-ton truck offroad, and imagine the speed increase.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 this is true! but unlike north america or europe and stuff in those kind of countries like china, the balkan states etc where military service is mandatory when you turn 18 maybe things need to remain simple to work on because the chinese military is in essence kind of a peasant army with peasant thinking :S no offense to them or anything thats just how she goes...
32middlelinebacker 2 months ago
@32middlelinebacker What countries in the Balkins have conscription? My wife is from Macedonia and they have an all volintary military like we in the U.S. have.
dudekidguy1 2 months ago
@dudekidguy1 they used to until recently i just checked and apparently a lot of the conscription has been abolished in 2010 in that region. I think Austria and Greece are the only ones in that area who still do conscription...
32middlelinebacker 2 months ago
@32middlelinebacker Actually I think that all of the former Republic of Yougoslavia (Balkin states, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and two autonomous provinces within Serbia: Kosovo and Vojvodina ) which are their own Republics did away with conscription at the fall Yougoslavia in the early 1990s.
dudekidguy1 2 months ago
@dudekidguy1 i have a lot of friends who are from there and they are reassuring me that is not the case haha! but bottom line is its abolished.
32middlelinebacker 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 Too bad US will revert soon the same technology as in 1980.
krbosak 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 and somehow you would know... yes yes, we all know how americans have access to classified military information of every country in the world....
jobjed 2 months ago
@jobjed Eyeball the suspension, compare with a new oshkosh or even the airride HET. The tires are an outdated design used in the 1960s by Russia; the engine is based off an old Russian design that gets horrible mileage even for a truck, and while your at it, answer me why nobody buys Chinese trucks on the civilian market.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 it's cos of people like you the chinese companies don't even bother to market it to you. after all, china has the largest population and is soon to become the largest market
jobjed 2 months ago
@jobjed China has a housing bubble three times that of the US's in 2008. Their population still makes an average of $1-$2/hr. Do the math.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 The difference is that, the Chinese housing bubble will not burst like the way US housing collapse because the Chinese Govt will make sure this does not happen. "Their population still makes an average of $1-$2/hr ' but there are 100 to 150 million Chinese who have saved enough to pay for the down payment.
typhoonq 2 months ago
@typhoonq that's not only not the figure they need, but no guarantee. I can save enough for a down payment for a house, not make enough to afford it, and still lose it.
They have cities--CITIES--which are empty. EMPTY. NOBODY. Not a single person in them except for a skeleton crew maintaining them. They don't have a stable income able to keep up with the costs of the homes.
Party bosses have been building at cost to artificially inflate the GDP. There's no real demand.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@typhoonq I apologize for my factual incorrectness, I feel the need to correct it. Due to a mistranslation, they don't make an average of $1-$2 an hour but $1-2 a day.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
As I've mentioned in my previous post. It's not just about how much individuals make. It's about how much they make in RELATION to how much they spend. The Chinese culture is to spend what you have. If a Chinese person can't earn enough to buy a house, then he/she will either NOT buy one, or work harder to get more money.
The US spend what they DON'T have. That's the fundamental difference that caused the US housing bubble to burst.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 no. that's the credit crisis. That was brought on by the housing bubble partly.
Speculation--guessing what you can sell something for--makes a crisis. When it bursts, it's devastating--it passes like a ripple through the economy.
China's economy is far less stable than it appears, as it's reliant upon foreign consumption--antagonize the US, or Germany, or Russia, and suddenly you can't sell anything.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
No, I'm talking specifically about the housing crisis that happened a few year back. When I mention debt, I'm not talking about the US national debt, I'm talking private debt.
Eventually, of course, private debt leads to a massive national debt, But that's what's happening Now. I believe in this particular case we are talking about the housing bubble of a few year ago.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
As for China's economic stability, I would argue that the US is in FAR, FAR worse shape.
The US economic system is based on liberalization and deregulation. This type of approach may give short-term growth, but it is inherently unstable because the system relys on private sector controls. There is little accountability; As long as the corporations can make a good buck, they do what every want. When something goes wrong they just put the bill on the public or pack-up and leave.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
3. If China stopped exporting to the US and EU overnight, China WOULD suffer considerable economic loss. But losses would actually be FAR worse for the US and the EU.
China has been a major driving force behind the lifestyle that the west enjoys, by providing inexpensive goods, and by providing loans to buy those goods. If that stops, the prices in the west would go through the roof overnight. By then, ECONOMIC stability would the least of their worries.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
In terms of China's dependance on US and EU foreign consumption; there is SOME truth in that. But it is not as crucial as you might think.
1. China has many international trade partners. It has good political, and fantastic economic relations with all the other BRIC nations.
2. As a result of the crisis abroad, the Chinese government announced a few months ago that they will accelerate the transition from a foreign consumption driven economy to an internal consumption one.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 but to do 2, they would wreck their export trade. You'd have to bouy pay rates massively to even approach western standards ($1-$2/day is their current per worker average...nowhere near what would be needed, even if they had sustainable growth). The cost of oil works against them--to keep competitive, they have to keep pay rates VERY low. They raise pay to become self sustainable, and they have a massive gap where they can't do either.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
As I've mentioned in #1 the US is not China's only trade partner. Granted it is an important trade outlet, but transitions can be made to the other BRIC nations as well as the multitude of nations surrounding China. So it would not "Wreck" China's export.
As for the wages, I'm not sure how that would decrease sustainable growth. Those wages are not dependent on the US alone.
I'm not sure I understand the arguments of your latter comments, please elaborate.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 More you pay workers, less you are competitive (lower profit & higher prices). There's a huge gap between the pay rate to be competitive and the pay rate to be sustainable.
The price of oil is added to exports via shipping. An $x Chinese widget will (normally) have 25-45% of its price be shipping, 1-5% labor, the rest profit & upkeep. When oil rises, that means the price goes up drastically--oil going from $80-$160/barrel means that's now a 30%-50% increase in cost.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
The pay rate, doesn't have that kind of effect on domestic consumption (which is what we were talking about, especially when we are further talking about competition). If China doesn't export a commodity, it doesn't need to pay any extras (shipping, tariffs etc.)
As for fuel prices; If China doesn't need to ship good to the other side of the world, fuel prices would not be much of a factor.
You're still thinking exports, while talking about domestic consumption.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 In the West 30%+ of price is labor, whereas there it's >5%. Currency manipulation helped that along, too. But when oil goes up, domestically-produced goods become more competitive--even if you pay 40% and not 1% in labor, you have none taken out for shipping (only for trucks).
The same thing that made China boom--cheap labor and export-oriented finances--makes it unable to be sustainable. WalMart alone, if considered a country, would be their 5th largest trade partner.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
1. Walmart is a Transnational. It may have started in the US but it's no longer an exclusive US corporation. So it's China components will continue to business as usual whether the US like it or not.
2. Walmart is a retailer who's competitiveness comes from it's supply chain. A process can be copied like everything else. Walmart can be replaced quite easily in China.
3. As for your other comments; are we still talking about Chinese DOMESTIC consumption?
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 it's very difficult for them to transition as well because China and Europe/America have very different cultures. The "Japanese management system"--producing at a slow pace, but getting needed parts as-needed rather than stockpiled, which is the norm since the late 70s--requires speed and high quality control (as do modern products). Being 2-4 weeks sea-shipping and having mostly cheap labor and a completely different language & culture means China's not suited for that.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
I agree it is a difficult transition (and I don't believe I've ever said otherwise), but not for the reasons that you've stated.
Transitioning to DOMESTIC consumption means that Chinese people would buy mostly Chinese goods; China consumes what it produces.
So I don't see how the difference between the Chinese culture and other cultures effect this.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 no, the difference between culture and the timedelay of delivery is what hinders them from entering the type of exportswhere htey could raise the wages.
It's a catch-22. To be self-sufficient they have to raise wages. If they do that, their exports aren't competitive, they lose jobs, wages go down naturally...if possible it'll take 2-3 decades. In addition, there are 2 billion of them--there's not enough wealth worldwide to reach per capita equality w/ the west.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
3. I didn't say that China should try to compete with the US in Per-Capita wealth in the SHORT term. I'm only saying that the US is not Critical to China's economic growth and survival. And that the US has more to lose than China should anything happen.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
2. Consumption doesn't have to start with a per-capita income increase.
The Chinese have enormous savings. If the individual could be encouraged to spend a bit more, there would be massive influx of wealth onto China's domestic market. This coupled with responsible government spending would gradually increase jobs and wages.
Yes, this would increase production costs, but increased wages would offset that.
This is not a paradox. The world economy is not a zero-sum game.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
Ok, so we are talking about exports now?
1. If China doesn't export to the US it can just gradually increase it's exports to the multitude of other nations it trades with. They just pick up the slack. Fuel would be no more a factor with them then it would be with the US.
Not selling to the US WILL hurt China, But it is NOT catastrophic to China.
If China is growing now, it will continue to grow, regardless of US consumption, albeit at a slower rate.
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 a minor reduction in industry shocked the US into its current state. The US is around 40-50% of China's business clientele. That's a massive blow. In a country not as secure politically as they make it out to be (there are still common riots, but their police and media services black them out), it's really not a good situation for them.
They can transition, but it will be a very, very long process.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
1. Actually, Chinese Exports to the US is currently approx 30% - 35%.
BUT, I can see your point.
2. There ARE demonstration and riots in isolated parts of the country which no doubt being covered up, but the Chinese seat of government is actually quite secure. The vast majority of Chinese are sympathetic to the government on the Astronomical challenges they face in managing a country that's composed of 56 Ethnic groups and even more dialects. It's like the EU x 2
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 are you counting quantity or total economic action? "downstream dollar" effects play a role, but even at 30%, that's a massive chunk of an economy's exports.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
That's why I said "I can see your point".
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 I thoguht you were referring to my half-unicorn heritage...
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
Would it make you feel better if I were?
docsein1 2 months ago
@docsein1 :V
redreaper2020 2 months ago
@redreaper2020
The US housing bubble burst mainly because of one reason; Debt. People in the US borrow enormous amounts of money to pay for a lifestyle they can't actually sustain. So when it comes time to pay the bills, they default.
China's culture if FUNDAMENTALLY different from western culture. They SAVE. They spend only what they have. Where do you think they money US borrows comes from?
Chinese save, Americans borrow.
This is why the Chinese housing bubble will not burst.
docsein1 2 months ago
@redreaper2020 doesnt matter, they can just massproduce them lol
Kalmah88wins 2 months ago
@Kalmah88wins but so can we. I'd post a comment but it's actually a really interesting subject about production curves.
redreaper2020 2 months ago
do the words "chinese" and "steel" ever go good together...hey whats that, oh its just a cracked frame from metal fatigue...well find another guy with at least three fingers to weld it up...
jckbckhm 3 months ago
someones idea -> china -> not really new/their product
KarnasCamillo 3 months ago
este é o mesmo modelo que encontramos aqui no brasil howo 380 no cavalo
silvanoalvessilva 3 months ago
It looks like a catterpillar.
Penguines 3 months ago
it will break break down every 5 miles :)
GmodNeedsHelp 3 months ago
Why is it sped up ?
and the chinese have alot and i mean ALOT of old russian Tech to Reverse engineer and maybe some improvements but look how right when russia showed thier t-50 just a year later we see the chengdu j-20
hellbrand 3 months ago
Awesome....too bad it's made in China :P
WhatUGawkinAt 3 months ago
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landlessjo 3 months ago
I predict that aside from syria, belarus is next on the NATO regime change list, they want any riot in minsk to justify action against Lukashenco regime belarus imports this truck from china.former United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice labeled Belarus among the six nations of the "outposts of tyranny".[9
sukhoi35a 3 months ago
Made in china
obs222 3 months ago
Cant beat a Russian Truck!!
SinFeind 3 months ago
YaY CHINA I LOVE YOU!!
AIR112able 3 months ago
It's natural for people to copy others. It's also natural for people who copy others to end up improving over the originals. That's the price you pay for being a pioneer. Look at Britain and Germany and Japan. China's going to be next in line.
ragabara 3 months ago
CHINA FUCKING OWNS YOU ALL SO SHUT YALL CRACKER MOUTHS
4DaHorde3 3 months ago
its sped up..
pokoknya 3 months ago
since its made in china its gotta break down easily.
1799Michael 4 months ago
@1799Michael shut up man......
4DaHorde3 3 months ago
LIKE ANYTHING BUILT IN CHINA, IT WILL WORK FOR TWO WEEKS, THEN KAPUT!
TheF86Sabre 4 months ago
copy cat, a dislike for you
jaze592 4 months ago
china bullshit,tatra the best
bonrhead 4 months ago
I cannot understand why some poor guys exclaiming that these trucks are copy. is it difficult to manufacture trucks for a country that will have its own space station in next 2 years?
caiyufengx 4 months ago
@caiyufengx space station in the next 2 years? Stop bullshitting.
VNSki 4 months ago
@VNSki you motherfucker see the world by your asshole? if you have.
caiyufengx 4 months ago
@caiyufengx Lol, that was the most lame comeback ever. I can detect your bullshit with my asshole, I don't need to use any mental process.
VNSki 4 months ago
@VNSki I admire you got smarter asshole than your brain, if you have. congratulation.
caiyufengx 4 months ago
ez is koppintás!!!
Vinczecsaba 4 months ago
test
BadassKamina 4 months ago
After this demonstration was made it broke....
SilentStrike457 4 months ago
Nice knock off Mercedes Badge on the front.
RudiSkacel19 4 months ago
Made in China... Won't last...
Thehalo9108 4 months ago
everything stolen from mercedes & co?
Look at the half mercedes star..
suck my dick china, stop stealing and suck my dick!!
JoNniixD 4 months ago
@JoNniixD so stop use paper firepower it 's from china and compass
gdzbear 4 months ago
Just buy a volvo. They Do all that.
kalasnikoch 4 months ago
Nice truck, But the music is WAY nicer.... Anyone know the music title?
98765432123456789000 4 months ago
Dear Santa...
Wotchadoinbro 4 months ago
Looks a KAMAZ ... Russian technology
ben5017 4 months ago 20
@ben5017 rusia and china ins,t friends.
DevilCondori 4 months ago
Looks like a unimog.
zigzagjoe1 4 months ago
COPY
Fle5688 4 months ago
I want to see someone take that 8x8 version to rally dakar. It looks like it'd take first place overall!
peepeevagi 5 months ago
Welldone China keep up the gud work. We are always with you. Tons of best wishes to you.
From: Pakistan (Long Live Pak-China friendship)...
chandsmilez 5 months ago
@chandsmilez send ur mother to china to get fucked up by chinese military..
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chandsmilez 4 months ago
china=copy
auh2o81 5 months ago
this is the shit our american solders needed fuck if we had these in afghanistan we wouldnt be losing lives because of roll overs in those fucken goat paths
nanashi1o3 5 months ago
nice music stolen from the TATRA video.... >.> same testing too exactly the same only done worse, and the trucks are stolen from other countries.....
bobthelazybuilder 5 months ago
0:35 :O
RobertErichHimes 5 months ago
truly........beware the chinese.
hounderdawg 5 months ago
Cheap imitation of a German vehicles.Chinese SUCK
to777ti 5 months ago
You guys say its a copy of German vehicles,
you are wrong,
it's a cheap imitation of a German vehicles.
JackPriceyPrice 5 months ago
Thats a Copy of a German MAN 4x4 which The German Bundeswehr uses
TheAlaar 5 months ago
Good video ! Excellently complimented by the music. Can you please tell me which is this sound track. Just the right piece to accompany a display of military prowess
agytjax 5 months ago
if its made in china i will brake down sorry trash all of it all of it copy of every 1 stuff but made cheap 1 slave labor 2 its trash
sertox12345 5 months ago
People, copycat or not, wake-up! China is fast becoming a threat to the west. Shouldnt we be barking at our western governments, those government aligned to the west, on how they are going to address this.
2012kilometer 5 months ago
It's the Commie Mobrirr...mobiirr...mobilrlrlrr...god dem retter err!
SpookyJohnathan 5 months ago
The only test is the DAKAR Rally, when are you going to enter and take on TATRA!
tatradak 5 months ago
Something seems funny, it looks fake like a model or something, especially see when the truck goes over the concrete embankment, the way the truck moves it is not real!
388095 5 months ago