Hey im considering on getting the mbox mini 2 or the audiobox i heard they are both the same thing. but each come with a different program whats easier to work with. pro tools or cubase? please reply
nice video dude.It helped me a lot because i am new to these staff.If you can make a video with more details because sound mixing is not only having effects
my opinion on cubase is ,its very much based on trance,dance and electronic music with it sounds,the creating own sounds is very basic and not fun at all(no hate) and alot is based for live recording . the synthesizers got basic soundediting other programs got atleast one synth that can emulate every analog synthesizer,cubase has a view analog sounds but not tomuch
Holy Moly Dude, have you ever heard about Music? Its this new thing out where you actually use melody and harmony of musical sounds. You should try it sometime, it really does sound great. Though if you just want to scare the Cats out of your yard then this is great too.
Dude, I just wanted to say thanks for this brilliant, clear and informative lesson in Mixing and Mastering. I had actually come just for mastering but you had a lot of insightful points in mixing. Even in the context of rock music this is a fantastic tutorial and in 10 minutes I've learned a few priceless lessons that will serve me for every future production project. Cheers
You should probably put your delay on an aux send, or an fx channel (for cubase) rather than as an insert. As a rule of thumb, all the things that effect dynamics, aka compressors and limiters go on your inserts, while modulation effects go on sends.
What interface are you using? Also, I noticed you only record your main vocals once, I like to record them 3 times and pan one right, one left, and keep one (the main vocal in the center.) My question is, should I use the same effects on every track?
@ShadoMusic can i ask you something? how long have you've been doing this for? Your stuff sounds better than any other artists out there on youtube LULZ
ok im like so pissed because NONE of those plugins you have are in my Cubase, and its not cracked whatsoever, it have the actual installation disk. please help.. like Denoiser and Compresser. all of the other simple shit that you have, is not in my blew off cubase, its makin me mad,almost every other tutorial video ive seen. i do not have any of those plugins.
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3 down, 4 intact, one 5, and the last one 5 hahaha so that's how you EQ every verse vocal omg.... this is so ridiculous, at least change your title of the video man...
Christ. pointless video. First of all if you're gonna post a comp video GET a vid card that can capture right off the screen or a damn Tripod! they're not expensive. I'm glad you like Cubase and are learning how to mix your raps with your little beats, However posting a video with "mixing & mastering" in the title when you clearly have limited knowledge of it is Ignorant and very annoying. I get it, your showing us how you mix YOUR music, not mixing techniques in Cubase as your title implies.
@TheEmptyfox well ive been mixing and makin beats on cubase for years and it explained a few things to me ..quit whining troll its a great video most people dont explain why n what the chain and settings do any way they just want to show there tune off without explaining like this guy does !!
I just started using cubase 5 so this should help. Hey would you be open to collab ? I don't got my music on my page but I will post some soon. I got some good quality equipment so it should sound good. Reply in a message if you can collab
Bro i learned alot from this Tutorial. can u do another video to explain the basics. i am a beginner and need to understand the basics. great job doe, yall sound good!
Do you prefer cubase over pro tools, or pro tools over cubase? I use cubase now and am just wondering if it would be very much of an upgrade by buying pro tools. Thanks man. love your music.
@califreshest Pro Tools seems to be the standard in the US and Cubase more popular in Europe along with Logic. It's really a matter of your own choice. When a track is completed mixed and mastered no one will ever know what software it was recorded in but it's what you do with the software. I have used Logic, Sonar and Cubase helping friends out (and learning myself of course) but my personal choice is Cubase (6).
Get what you feel is right for you and go make some good music!
Feeling the video homie... keep doing your thing... I'm saying tho you use that preset for all your tracks? If you do, i'm sure you tweak it right depending on how it sounds... No reverb? found that kind of odd... any suggestions wit that?
great video man complete changed the game for me.. one question though, i have cubase studio 5 going through everything i havent been able to find DeNoiser and DeEsser ? are those add ons in new versions?
@mrfrenik no disrespect to the shado but theres more to mastering than just a limiter. thats the key element in mastering. look up some tutorials on steinberg's wavelab and you will see how extended the process can be.
Check out the freestyle i did on a old school beat using these exact settings Blaze-3rd Bass Pop Goes The Weasle Freestyle(Shado's Cubase Tutorial Settings) subscribe if you need Cubase or any mixing done just subscribe and drop a comment on my music thanks and God bless
Yo these settings really worked for real all you have to worry about is the levels besides that the Eq Compression and Panning is on point thanks Shado, Ima post a video response using these settings flowing on a old school beat by 3rd Bass-Pop Goes The Weasle its dumb hot!!!!!
when you record your vocals raw, what level do they hit? im trying to figure out how high or low your record on. for example, when u play the vocals by itself without any mixing, what db do they hit?
the tract is too sick wooo. can i get de track title
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Hey im considering on getting the mbox mini 2 or the audiobox i heard they are both the same thing. but each come with a different program whats easier to work with. pro tools or cubase? please reply
OfficialYoungGreedy 2 days ago
@ShadoMusic Thanks this helped out a ton!
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monsterjazzlicks 4 days ago
Thanks dude. The FX / EQ chain explaination was really useful information !!
monsterjazzlicks 5 days ago
i cant find denoiser, help me please??
ArminWaly 1 week ago
@ArminWaly download it :)
TrekYT 1 week ago
@ArminWaly restoration>>denoiser
2upendra 1 week ago
what is the track name this song nice
222shadowblade 1 week ago
is there anywhere i can download that song from that you was mixing? it was sick man
lazermusiic 1 week ago
if i do a metal song would these settings work? like screamed vocals and heavy guitars...
screamingismyair 2 weeks ago
Cool stuff bro ty for the help. Would ask you just to leave a tutorial about kicks also pls!
inogroup2 3 weeks ago
hey men! i don't have denoiser, what can i do?
NovoSomProducoes 3 weeks ago
@NovoSomProducoes Try looking extra hard. I was sure I didn't have it, but then after weeks of thinking I didn't I actually found it^^
Otherwise, denoiser is like the least important part. You I'm quite sure you can do without it.
fetmabebis 2 weeks ago
@ShadoMusic
Hey when i do this,by my vocals is a echo ?
and when i doesnt do the MonoDelay the echo was off ?
I didnt will a echo when i do mixing too you.
Can you help me ?
Sorry for the bad english.
From Germany :D
BlockBabo 3 weeks ago
Whenever I export, It plays back low
harlemworld327 3 weeks ago
this is niice man.. thanks foe helping...good job...
MANASSEHY 4 weeks ago
I cant find de noiser or eq
I have cubase essentials 5
Please help..
Much appreciated
DjMoe979BCSQUAD 4 weeks ago
nice video dude.It helped me a lot because i am new to these staff.If you can make a video with more details because sound mixing is not only having effects
xamenoskatoikos 1 month ago
this track is nice can i have the download plz......
mixoe361 1 month ago
tnx =]
its nice
ProdbyAKV1 1 month ago
Thanks man!!! I love Shado.
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my opinion on cubase is ,its very much based on trance,dance and electronic music with it sounds,the creating own sounds is very basic and not fun at all(no hate) and alot is based for live recording . the synthesizers got basic soundediting other programs got atleast one synth that can emulate every analog synthesizer,cubase has a view analog sounds but not tomuch
muziekvoorallen 1 month ago
hey man are you using any pre amps?
jaagofficial 1 month ago
naaayce!!!
jaagofficial 1 month ago
What is the name of the song?
BeaTsGOy 1 month ago
i have the same monitors as you :D
adifferentstorymusic 1 month ago
If I only found this before lol -.-
BlacckLabelMusic 1 month ago
Holy Moly Dude, have you ever heard about Music? Its this new thing out where you actually use melody and harmony of musical sounds. You should try it sometime, it really does sound great. Though if you just want to scare the Cats out of your yard then this is great too.
Sixalienasa 1 month ago
why i cant find de noiser ?
lirakjuniku 1 month ago
Dude, I just wanted to say thanks for this brilliant, clear and informative lesson in Mixing and Mastering. I had actually come just for mastering but you had a lot of insightful points in mixing. Even in the context of rock music this is a fantastic tutorial and in 10 minutes I've learned a few priceless lessons that will serve me for every future production project. Cheers
ktrel54 1 month ago
man how do you turn the settings on????
JoshBlaque101 1 month ago
what version of cubase is that??
GreatnessInDaMakin 1 month ago
after you finish a song you can tell me how you turn the song in mp3 ?
RrepistnGhetto 1 month ago
Aight , to all you who are saying "man , these settings suck!" just remember , its all about how you approach the mic ~
yaddayadda98yo 1 month ago
I used these settings and all i can say is..............they sound......FUCKING AWESOME!..great tutorial....
tommy5977 1 month ago
You should probably put your delay on an aux send, or an fx channel (for cubase) rather than as an insert. As a rule of thumb, all the things that effect dynamics, aka compressors and limiters go on your inserts, while modulation effects go on sends.
cazmaestro 1 month ago
Final song :D?
chrisWodz 1 month ago
sometimes i sidechain vocals with the base, very gently, you have vocals coming out well when they're needed, good for radio mixes too
SpaceKills 1 month ago in playlist cubase 5
yea i agree with @JBr33zyMusic can you please make an updated version?????
donaldo794 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Hey bro, could u please give me a link to the music that you've mixed (heavy artillery)? Its awesome
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What interface are you using? Also, I noticed you only record your main vocals once, I like to record them 3 times and pan one right, one left, and keep one (the main vocal in the center.) My question is, should I use the same effects on every track?
PNCGOMEZ 2 months ago
Now i'm just getting this program today so are everyone who is MALE going to have same settings? Like me my voice sounds higher than your voice
SheaBudda1 2 months ago
@SheaBudda1 your eq should change depending on the voice. a higher voice would need less eq'ing on the highs, and maybe a boost in the mids
ShadoMusic 2 months ago
@ShadoMusic Ight cool thanks! Now, are you to show how to do the chorus? And are intro's and outro's the same?
SheaBudda1 2 months ago
@ShadoMusic can i ask you something? how long have you've been doing this for? Your stuff sounds better than any other artists out there on youtube LULZ
prismflash 1 month ago
@ShadoMusic respect bro ...say me in pm :)
mirkoftv1 1 week ago
Where I can listen this song?
Its amazing
MrCked 2 months ago
the strings track is epic! :D
blacksheep806 2 months ago
Hey man, could you make an updated version?
JBr33zyMusic 2 months ago 9
@JBr33zyMusic he uses pro tools now
TanveerSandhuMusic 3 weeks ago
really helpful.... Thanks a LOT!!
can you upload a tutorial on drum mix....
thanks
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hi guyz just wanna give free audiomastering to whoever is intrested, this is no joke email me at darksin _warior2000@yahoo.com for more info..
darksin 2 months ago
Yaw, this music is faatt !! I want it !! peace !
MisterGalmy 2 months ago
Great bro !!
FedericoFadigati 2 months ago
Hey dude what´s your cubase version?
hug
NsNpt 2 months ago
ok im like so pissed because NONE of those plugins you have are in my Cubase, and its not cracked whatsoever, it have the actual installation disk. please help.. like Denoiser and Compresser. all of the other simple shit that you have, is not in my blew off cubase, its makin me mad,almost every other tutorial video ive seen. i do not have any of those plugins.
TeenTakeOverBlast 2 months ago
yo bro....you are theshit!!!!!!!
bigwoodz27 3 months ago
lol, limiting is mastering.... lol
mrconcept 3 months ago
what does he mean by his "dubs"
linkownz3 3 months ago
@linkownz3 Doubles, another vocal emphasizing the ending phrases mostly!
ParaNoiseX 3 months ago
Hey bro, where can i get all these settings? I have Cubase LE,but dont see none of these things
ReKindledMusic 3 months ago
Ol dumb ass didn't even tell us how to get the the denoiser or the other effects...
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M-Audio AV 30 ? or AV 40 ? i have AV 30 :D
tiby2006 3 months ago
M-Audio AV 30 ? or AV 40 ? i have AV 30 :D
tiby2006 3 months ago
@tiby2006 this video av30. i still use em for producing beats
ShadoMusic 3 months ago
@ShadoMusic ha-ha i use for mastering , + FBQ800 and mic , i have at2020
tiby2006 3 months ago
M-Audio AV 30 ? or AV 40 ? i have AV 30 :D
tiby2006 3 months ago
Oh hey! Have you ever tried intellectus list building (do a google search)? Ive heard some awesome things about it and my cousin got lots of money-making subscribers added to their list.
Hasan1544 3 months ago
whats the volume of your mic?
VizZzZzHD 3 months ago
say man what kind of mic are you recording with?
MrLoui318 3 months ago
@MrLoui318 audio technica, at2035
ShadoMusic 3 months ago
can u plz make a tutorial for editing chorus...i will be grateful for that
OfficialHipHopVideo1 3 months ago
how did u mix ur dubs did u mix them the way u did the first one??
OfficialHipHopVideo1 3 months ago
hi thnx for this tutorial it has helped me out alot and i have a quest how did u edit the other ones cos i noticed u just edit the first line..
OfficialHipHopVideo1 3 months ago
works perfectly 4 my song (Y)
olunyke1 3 months ago
3 down, 4 intact, one 5, and the last one 5 hahaha so that's how you EQ every verse vocal omg.... this is so ridiculous, at least change your title of the video man...
ffundament 4 months ago
@ffundament i have updated eq settings
ShadoMusic 4 months ago
@ShadoMusic wheree?
ResidentialNoise 3 months ago
high quality amateur recording!
djflipflop 4 months ago
Thanks 4 the video... this saved me time.. good song too
SeazerThaLeader 4 months ago
Hi!
How do i get Compressor , DeEsser , DeNoiser , GEQ - 10 ?
YoRafodi165 4 months ago
@YoRafodi165 its in the program under their respective sections
ShadoMusic 4 months ago
Watch my Mastered song of "poker face feat omen "on an acoustic guitar !Tools used in my description !
/watch?v=dQYm407Lb9o
Thanks!
Billaras888 4 months ago
Nice Video but where can i get the Song ? What i've heard was nice ! :D
CeoMusicTv 4 months ago
Hey dude great vid,i mix a lot of metal but great to see your technique for vox thanks for sharing your settings.......
hoppskm 4 months ago
Christ. pointless video. First of all if you're gonna post a comp video GET a vid card that can capture right off the screen or a damn Tripod! they're not expensive. I'm glad you like Cubase and are learning how to mix your raps with your little beats, However posting a video with "mixing & mastering" in the title when you clearly have limited knowledge of it is Ignorant and very annoying. I get it, your showing us how you mix YOUR music, not mixing techniques in Cubase as your title implies.
TheEmptyfox 4 months ago
@TheEmptyfox ignorant comment. this is mixing and mastering for hip-hop.
ShadoMusic 4 months ago 4
@ShadoMusic can this be used in cubase LE
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@TheEmptyfox well ive been mixing and makin beats on cubase for years and it explained a few things to me ..quit whining troll its a great video most people dont explain why n what the chain and settings do any way they just want to show there tune off without explaining like this guy does !!
DJsNorthWest 3 months ago
before 00:49
after 01:22
lLegitimate 4 months ago
does anyone know how to cut or delete part of a verse you recorded?
deeno2dTV 4 months ago
@deeno2dTV right click and press the slicer. slice two point and simple delete or cut
ShadoMusic 4 months ago
@ShadoMusic the slicer? all I'm seeing is the splitting tool(scissors)
deeno2dTV 4 months ago
@deeno2dTV thats it lol idk what it was called
ShadoMusic 4 months ago
@ShadoMusic haha yea, well it lets me cut a section but it won't let me pick a specific little area
deeno2dTV 4 months ago
@ShadoMusic the problem is that it won't let me delete small specific parts of my verse, like a breath or a small mistake
deeno2dTV 4 months ago
THATS FUCKING DOPE DOOGGGGGG .... i have only heard the verse its sounds sick now i hope i can learn to make my verses not to sound doll :D
lilsagopa04 4 months ago
man this is amazing man ! i need to learn to mix like u!
EngeniusBeatz 4 months ago
hey i wanted to know how do u set ur chorus eqs or wat do u put on ur vocals
groundup97 4 months ago
WOW WHATS THE NAME OF YOUR CAMERA
slick95215 4 months ago
@slick95215 this video was with a canon vixia hf m300
ShadoMusic 4 months ago
Wow that songs actually awesome.
BRITISHBOY95 4 months ago
thanks bro hope this helps me wit my music man
christophercarlson1 4 months ago
can't you send me only the project please, I need to try in my cubase with my song please
BitiBeats 4 months ago
I just started using cubase 5 so this should help. Hey would you be open to collab ? I don't got my music on my page but I will post some soon. I got some good quality equipment so it should sound good. Reply in a message if you can collab
hermanater123 4 months ago
Bro i learned alot from this Tutorial. can u do another video to explain the basics. i am a beginner and need to understand the basics. great job doe, yall sound good!
jahmi1992 4 months ago
Hey, thanks for sharing your settings! gonna try these on some recordings as starting points.
zaigex 4 months ago
were do you find denoiser in cubase 4
ikezeeworld 4 months ago
very nice dude - I use very diffrent tecnqs - but (as far as I can tell through the cammic) it really sounds and does that job!
antoniostarlizos 5 months ago
thanks for inside tips - and i'm loving your sound!
irwinlive 5 months ago
very good video.. BIIIIIIIIIIG LIKE
NikoPrimitif 5 months ago
i have the co1u i was wondering is the audio technica is better because i was planing on upgrading so yea hit me up and let me know much love shado
91vincelakers 5 months ago
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I love this... come check me out.. not like the other thousands of youtube rappers out there.. promise ;)
ResidentialNoise 5 months ago
Do you prefer cubase over pro tools, or pro tools over cubase? I use cubase now and am just wondering if it would be very much of an upgrade by buying pro tools. Thanks man. love your music.
califreshest 5 months ago
@califreshest Pro Tools seems to be the standard in the US and Cubase more popular in Europe along with Logic. It's really a matter of your own choice. When a track is completed mixed and mastered no one will ever know what software it was recorded in but it's what you do with the software. I have used Logic, Sonar and Cubase helping friends out (and learning myself of course) but my personal choice is Cubase (6).
Get what you feel is right for you and go make some good music!
Westy196740 5 months ago
@Westy196740 thanks man! appreciate the reply. Yeah i get what you mean, i am pretty happy with cubase 5.1, it definitely gets the job done.
califreshest 5 months ago
Absolute drivel.
Sixalienasa 5 months ago
YO WHAT MIC YOU USING! LET ME KNOW
0ffDaChainRec0rdz 5 months ago
@0ffDaChainRec0rdz hes using an at2035. and a presonus usb box. he made a video on it..
ResidentialNoise 4 months ago
really nice track dude.
1nav 5 months ago
Tnx for videos like this. Pls make more :D
MrFrancisilustre 6 months ago
The microphone is at2035?
I want to buy this with a alesis multimix4 with a xlr cable?
This is ok?
When I can listen your music for watch for the quality?
MrCked 6 months ago
@MrCked all the songs posted after this video are using this
ShadoMusic 6 months ago
Have any ideea how tha hell can i get Fantom S88 driver? I can't find it on their site...
Jasson242 6 months ago
Feeling the video homie... keep doing your thing... I'm saying tho you use that preset for all your tracks? If you do, i'm sure you tweak it right depending on how it sounds... No reverb? found that kind of odd... any suggestions wit that?
shineinfinite 6 months ago
great video man complete changed the game for me.. one question though, i have cubase studio 5 going through everything i havent been able to find DeNoiser and DeEsser ? are those add ons in new versions?
bad1 6 months ago
GREAT job man. I've watched this video 7 times now. Im using this mixing for my band. It works great! On a minor note, 8 people are fuck tards!
bstep614 6 months ago
Good video man
FamikaNoFika 6 months ago
is this the same 4 cubase6 cuz i could not find the denoiser ?
krystalkjr 6 months ago
is this the same 4 cubase6 cuz i could not find the denoiser ?
krystalkjr 6 months ago
@krystalkjr It's not in 6 but yuo can copy it to the VST folder and use it. I just did it with the Vocoder!!
Westy196740 5 months ago
Give us a tour of your VSTs
jamestakeshi 6 months ago
OMG Mann You are a mint rapper n soon as i herd your vocals im a fan lol you remind me of Vinnie paz :) sick mate your talented.. ;)
DLZentertainment 6 months ago
how did u get cubase 5
pressureE2122 6 months ago
Hey man i just posted a video response on this. Can you give some mastering tips?
drumkyledrum93 6 months ago
All you need is a limiter for mastering? Riiiiiight.
mrfrenik 6 months ago
@mrfrenik no disrespect to the shado but theres more to mastering than just a limiter. thats the key element in mastering. look up some tutorials on steinberg's wavelab and you will see how extended the process can be.
FlyHiGhness 6 months ago
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mrfrenik 6 months ago
yo man,
ive been recording with FL,
but cubase caught my attention cause of THIS vid.
lets collab bro..
you got mad skills.
get back at me..
MOOKIEMUZIC 6 months ago
it gives me some echo please help
12kingmalik 6 months ago
Good video bruh helped me out alot, Im new to this so tell me what "Dubs" are under the 1st recording
ddixonss4 6 months ago
Dude this is ligit. Helps out alot.
bstep614 6 months ago
where can i get cubase for windows 7?
12696870941 6 months ago
i upgraded it to the 5.1.0 and i dont see it under restoration just says grungelizer..
itssierraleone 6 months ago
ight i have cubase 5 where you get the 5.1 upgrade from?
itssierraleone 6 months ago
where do i find the de noiser?
itssierraleone 6 months ago
@itssierraleone denoiser falls under restoration, only cubase 5.1 has it
MRSFE3 6 months ago
hey why is it that i dont got all the effects on my cubase? how do i get them?
williss11 6 months ago
thanks for your time n video
premsangpang 6 months ago
what cubase is this the exact name
MrAiirHead 6 months ago
Nevermind I just got it
boxers92 6 months ago
Where did you get cubase? How much was it?
boxers92 6 months ago
it's good to talk numbers with units. I.e. -6 decibel? -6 fat chick?
StockVideoFootage 6 months ago
@ImGhostDUH he on 5
musicmania821 7 months ago
Check out the freestyle i did on a old school beat using these exact settings Blaze-3rd Bass Pop Goes The Weasle Freestyle(Shado's Cubase Tutorial Settings) subscribe if you need Cubase or any mixing done just subscribe and drop a comment on my music thanks and God bless
yungblaze1917 7 months ago
Yo these settings really worked for real all you have to worry about is the levels besides that the Eq Compression and Panning is on point thanks Shado, Ima post a video response using these settings flowing on a old school beat by 3rd Bass-Pop Goes The Weasle its dumb hot!!!!!
yungblaze1917 7 months ago
One question only shado. Which mic do you use? still the CSD U37?
gromedrade 7 months ago
I just want to let you know I love you for making this video. Totally homo.
gromedrade 7 months ago
HOW DO YOU SET UP UR MIC
theehittmann 7 months ago
I got the same mic...whats your power source, mixer or ?
TektonikzMuzik 7 months ago
Is this Song in your Mixtape ?
jpj431 7 months ago
when you record your vocals raw, what level do they hit? im trying to figure out how high or low your record on. for example, when u play the vocals by itself without any mixing, what db do they hit?
iamsickflowz 7 months ago
Im new so how do i enable my mic, ? and where did you get all your effects to your chain? :)
iJericoMesina 7 months ago
how do you enable usb mic on cubase? i cant set it up
williss11 7 months ago
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err body go to my page check out my raps plz leave feedback
JayBeeTaylorGang 8 months ago
what do you do with the chorus?
maazy94 8 months ago
can u make some vocals for me xD
ArtLinez 8 months ago
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Great tutorial bro. Btw what reverb on cubase do you think is good to use?
RSFMUSIC 8 months ago
u should try adding a tube saturator. they add power to the song
isreal95 8 months ago
do you add all your effects before recording or do u do it all after you record your verse?
iamsickflowz 8 months ago
@iamsickflowz all after
ShadoMusic 8 months ago
@ShadoMusic
I have to set up my mic on mono on adobe
im using this now but how do i set up my mic on mono from stereo?
right now i only have sound from the left
jaytw2 7 months ago
@iamsickflowz Does adding effects after or before make a difference? Serious question
OfficialMichaelC 7 months ago